I urge you to read some of the messages I sent you. Here is a taste of one.
"In his memoirs, Party functionary Dmitri Shepilov, recalled the 18th Party Congress in 1939, where Khrushchev lauded Stalin twenty-six times as 'our genius of a leader,' 'our great Stalin,' 'our beloved leader,' and so on."
Dmitrii Shepilov, The Kremlin's Scholar: A Memoir of Soviet Politics under Stalin and Khrushchev (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2007), 72.
I don't completely hate Khrushchev, but he used that speech to create a powerbase for himself. Westerners often look at Khrushchev as a great Reformer, but his crackdown of Stalinists had to be one of the most Dictatorial events in Soviet History. It is comparable to Stalin's crackdown on Trotskyists, and Brezhnev's crackdown on Khrushchevists.
Khrushchev attacked the Stalinists, like Kaganovich, who were the biggest threats to him personally. He went on for quite a while speaking about 61 points against Stalin. Many things he said were either lies or half truths. After he said this speech, he purged the party of all Stalinists, which forced China and Albania to break ties with the USSR.
If you ask me, Kruschev was a real Dictator. Unlike Stalin, he took the position of Head of State, which made him a TRUE Dictator.
Stalin? You mean the man who refused to have Moscow named after himself after the Politburo offered?
The man who once got into a heated argument, about the Cult the Party was creating for him, where he said "Who is Stalin? Am I Stalin? Are you Stalin? That's Stalin(pointing at a portrait)."
The man who once denounced a claim, by Kaganovich, that Stalinism was greater than Leninism?
Are we talking about the same modest and understanding Stalin, or the one depicted as a tyrant?
Stalins was not understanding, that's why he had military leaders and other advisors killed off, because he wouldn't ake other peoples advice(soviet).
Yeah yeah, Stalingrad, Stalinabad, Stalinstadt, Eastern Bloc cities named after him, etc.
This may or may not explain it.
"Stalin may have opposed renaming Moscow, but he apparently did not object when scores of other cities, towns, streets, squares, parks, factories and so on were named after him and when his pictures and statues became ubiquitous. Unlike Fidel Castro, Stalin did not do as much as he might have to discourage the cult that developed."
If you want a good, non bias book about Stalin. I suggest reading memoirs from Molotov and Kaganovich(who were high ranking Soviet Bureaucrats and friends with Stalin). They were both Premiers of the USSR at one point, and they were both demoted by Stalin at one point(to eliminate any biases).
I also suggest reading Svetlana Alliluyeva, who was Stalin's daughter. She wrote a book about her life growing up called "Twenty Letters to a Friend".
Robert Conquest's numbers were partially influenced by Kruschev's secret speech, which Grover Furr proved Kruschev lied or told half-truths during his Secret Speech in a book he wrote in 2011(the title is "Kruschev Lied"). He also showed how much of a hypocrite Kruschev was, and several other things.
I don't know how people can throw numbers as high as 60 million at Stalin, seeing that the USSR's population grew every census year except during WWII.
I don't think I ever denied that Stalin's government killed people, however how is the Stalin government's killings any different from the Reagan administrations killings? During Reagan's presidency, he supported CIA operations in South America and Dictators at the same time. Millions died in things like Operation Condor.
Reagan supported Botha's Apartheid government, Somali and Afghan rebels, a paranoid war against Communism, etc.
It was simply an example of the hypocrisy that exists in the West.
I wanted to add more to that, but you already replied.
I don't know why it is so hard to believe that there was Western Propaganda during the COLD WAR. Stalin, who started the Cold War, is of course going to look like incompetent.
On Khrushchev, when he said his secret speech, he was in a politically weak position and needed to heighten his political influence.
The disintegration of the USSR killed over 100,000 people with conflicts that ensued(mostly in Tajikistan). Years after its collapse, the post-Soviet economies were 1/6 of what they were just years ago.
Russia only now is picking up its former economy.
America had over a million casualties before the idea was killed of a Confederate America. Today America is a Federal Government, just like Russia since 1917.
Yet, when it came Gorbachev's turn to defend his country from disaster, he smoothly faked an illness and made Yeltsin look like a hero so Yeltsin would win the upcoming elections.
I hate people who are tools to the West, like Gorbachev.
Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan shud reunify.build another kik ass military. Russian Federation army is NOTHING of its Soviet past. Same wit da armies of Belarus and Ukraine.
Gorbachev was the worst leader in Soviet history. The '91 coup would have saved the USSR, but Gorbachev wanted to destroy it. Yeltsin ruined Russia's economy completely, and it has taken 20 years for Russia to equal the economy of the USSR.
I realize that Gorbachev wanted to do this too, but he wanted to turn a Federal government(Soviet) into a Confederacy. America had something like them happen to them to, from 1861-65, when people wanted to turn the country into a Confederacy.
The USSR didn't follow Marxism, rather Leninism. Lenin said that the Communist party was the Vanguard of the people, which was meant to be a limited no party state. Stalin changed that later. Lenin believed Communism could only be achievable through Socialist Progression. He also called Socialism the transition between Capitalism and Communism.
I disagree, Gorbachev said in 2000 to a Turkish News Paper "My Ambition was to Liquify Communism". Gorbachev was rather a Social Democrat, while Yeltsin was an Authoritarian freelancer whose only ambition was to get into power.
I agree with your thing on the USSR's Stalinism or Brezhnevism. Brezhnev didn't like Stalinism, but he nevertheless followed iHis government changed Stalin's constitution in 1977.
IMO, Stalinism would be successful again with a little reform.
Stalin didn't kill as many people that is portrayed through Western Propaganda.
I know that there is a 20 million number, but the origin of that number comes from a Cold War-era historian named Robert Conquest. Modern Historians like John Getty or Oleg Naumov put the proper number at 1.5 million, while the Great Purge took 681,000 lives.
Yes it will benefit our cohesion! Let our warm friendship grows stronger. Yes will ever lighter and more handsome than free peoples State Union! Glory the people wisdom stored — one that agreed to peace calls! Hello, great adamant our Commonwealth and our entire nation! We have the depth of centuries is the history of our common country. And peaceful days, and in the midst of liholetij Klânëmsâ always be Union is correct!
Let it be for the benefit of our unity! Let the warmth of our friendship grows stronger ties. Let it be ever brighter and more beautiful than the Free Peoples Sovereign Union! Glory to the peoples of wisdom stored - is that an agreement, the world is calling!
Hello, great and invincible our community, our entire nation! We have behind them the depth of centuries - the history of our united country. And in the days of peace, and in the midst of hard times We vow to always be faithful to the Union!
Да будет во благо сплочение наше! Пусть крепнет тепло наших дружеских уз. Да будет вовеки светлее и краше Свободных народов Державный Союз! Славься народами мудрость хранимая — Та, что к согласию, к миру зовёт! Здравствуй, великое, несокрушимое Наше содружество, весь наш народ! У нас за плечами глубины столетий — История нашей единой страны. И в мирные дни, и в разгар лихолетий Клянёмся всегда быть Союзу верны! here's the Russian text.. take a dictionary and start translating.. =)
@seulementmoi Yes there will be into the good rallying our! Let it become stronger our heat- friendly bonds. Yes will be never brighter [krashe] of free peoples sovereign union! Be famous by peoples wisdom [khranimaya] -
@dmkavidelly that which to the agreement, to the peace calls! How do you do, our great, indestructible collaboration, entire our people! We have after the arms of the depth of centuries - history of our united country. Both during the peaceful days and at the heighth of [likholetiy] we swear always to be to union accurate!
@Sis
I urge you to read some of the messages I sent you. Here is a taste of one.
"In his memoirs, Party functionary Dmitri Shepilov, recalled the 18th Party Congress in 1939, where Khrushchev lauded Stalin twenty-six times as 'our genius of a leader,' 'our great Stalin,' 'our beloved leader,' and so on."
Dmitrii Shepilov, The Kremlin's Scholar: A Memoir of Soviet Politics under Stalin and Khrushchev (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2007), 72.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Guess you can't quite figure out what sarcasim is then.
Hruschev sure could.
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
Sarcasm? If Mr. Shepilov, who witnessed this event, thought it was worthy enough to document it, then I doubt it was really sarcasm.
havee3333333 1 month ago
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Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
I don't completely hate Khrushchev, but he used that speech to create a powerbase for himself. Westerners often look at Khrushchev as a great Reformer, but his crackdown of Stalinists had to be one of the most Dictatorial events in Soviet History. It is comparable to Stalin's crackdown on Trotskyists, and Brezhnev's crackdown on Khrushchevists.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
It isn't comparable.
Stalinism is evil, not only that, it is counter-revolutionary.
Stalinists had it coming.
And what the fuck is a "Westerner"?
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
Sigh...
havee3333333 1 month ago
@Sis
Khrushchev attacked the Stalinists, like Kaganovich, who were the biggest threats to him personally. He went on for quite a while speaking about 61 points against Stalin. Many things he said were either lies or half truths. After he said this speech, he purged the party of all Stalinists, which forced China and Albania to break ties with the USSR.
If you ask me, Kruschev was a real Dictator. Unlike Stalin, he took the position of Head of State, which made him a TRUE Dictator.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Oh, yeah, Hruschev was a real "bad" guy!
Stalin was another Tsar, the difference bieng, where the Tsars believed they were the voice of God, Stalin thought he was a god.
And where the Russian Empire had the autocracy, Stalinst USSR had the bureaucracy.
But what is wrong with dictatorship?
A dictatorship of the Proletariat is bad?
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Si
Stalin? You mean the man who refused to have Moscow named after himself after the Politburo offered?
The man who once got into a heated argument, about the Cult the Party was creating for him, where he said "Who is Stalin? Am I Stalin? Are you Stalin? That's Stalin(pointing at a portrait)."
The man who once denounced a claim, by Kaganovich, that Stalinism was greater than Leninism?
Are we talking about the same modest and understanding Stalin, or the one depicted as a tyrant?
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
But he still had Stalingrad.
Stalinabad too!
And a few other places.
Stalins was not understanding, that's why he had military leaders and other advisors killed off, because he wouldn't ake other peoples advice(soviet).
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
Yeah yeah, Stalingrad, Stalinabad, Stalinstadt, Eastern Bloc cities named after him, etc.
This may or may not explain it.
"Stalin may have opposed renaming Moscow, but he apparently did not object when scores of other cities, towns, streets, squares, parks, factories and so on were named after him and when his pictures and statues became ubiquitous. Unlike Fidel Castro, Stalin did not do as much as he might have to discourage the cult that developed."
-Roger Keeran
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
China and Albania were counter-revolutionary, as was Stalin.
Sismiques 1 month ago
If you want a good, non bias book about Stalin. I suggest reading memoirs from Molotov and Kaganovich(who were high ranking Soviet Bureaucrats and friends with Stalin). They were both Premiers of the USSR at one point, and they were both demoted by Stalin at one point(to eliminate any biases).
I also suggest reading Svetlana Alliluyeva, who was Stalin's daughter. She wrote a book about her life growing up called "Twenty Letters to a Friend".
havee3333333 1 month ago
@Sis
Robert Conquest's numbers were partially influenced by Kruschev's secret speech, which Grover Furr proved Kruschev lied or told half-truths during his Secret Speech in a book he wrote in 2011(the title is "Kruschev Lied"). He also showed how much of a hypocrite Kruschev was, and several other things.
I don't know how people can throw numbers as high as 60 million at Stalin, seeing that the USSR's population grew every census year except during WWII.
-continue(just one more time)-
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Yep, officer purges, dpeortations, etc. all a great legacy to follow.
Want an ice pick?
"Western Propaganda", piff!
East and West are just points of the compass, each as stupid as the other.
Trotsky, Tito, and Ted Grant to name a few, knew what a criminal Stalin was.
What did Kruschev do, but have a few milk cows slaughtered to meet the beef quota, and planted corn in unsuitble climates?
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
I don't think I ever denied that Stalin's government killed people, however how is the Stalin government's killings any different from the Reagan administrations killings? During Reagan's presidency, he supported CIA operations in South America and Dictators at the same time. Millions died in things like Operation Condor.
Reagan supported Botha's Apartheid government, Somali and Afghan rebels, a paranoid war against Communism, etc.
Where is Reagan's condemnation?
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
WTF do I care about Reagan?
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
It was simply an example of the hypocrisy that exists in the West.
I wanted to add more to that, but you already replied.
I don't know why it is so hard to believe that there was Western Propaganda during the COLD WAR. Stalin, who started the Cold War, is of course going to look like incompetent.
On Khrushchev, when he said his secret speech, he was in a politically weak position and needed to heighten his political influence.
-continued-
havee3333333 1 month ago
@Sis
The disintegration of the USSR killed over 100,000 people with conflicts that ensued(mostly in Tajikistan). Years after its collapse, the post-Soviet economies were 1/6 of what they were just years ago.
Russia only now is picking up its former economy.
havee3333333 1 month ago
NATIONLISMN FOR LIFE
mistergutsy19 2 months ago
Proposed? It's existed sense '99. lol
AGTLI 5 months ago 7
i am italian.... but long live NEW UNIONE.....LONG LIVE NEW UNION OF OLD BROTHER....70 YEARS OF UNION CANT FORGET IN 20 YEARS..... W .... U.R.S.S
giovabel92 6 months ago
ALL HAIL THE UNION STATE!!
GravityPowerful 6 months ago
finnally our true flag finnaly crimson flag!! :D
GravityPowerful 6 months ago
America had over a million casualties before the idea was killed of a Confederate America. Today America is a Federal Government, just like Russia since 1917.
Yet, when it came Gorbachev's turn to defend his country from disaster, he smoothly faked an illness and made Yeltsin look like a hero so Yeltsin would win the upcoming elections.
I hate people who are tools to the West, like Gorbachev.
havee3333333 6 months ago
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havee3333333 6 months ago
yes yes slowly come back for new Union all my brothers, у нас все равно одна история
GravityPowerful 6 months ago
I, Actually Support and Recognise the Union State. And if Russia,Belarus and Kazakhstan was to merge as one, I would recognise it too.
RoyalSatanas 7 months ago
Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan shud reunify.build another kik ass military. Russian Federation army is NOTHING of its Soviet past. Same wit da armies of Belarus and Ukraine.
deeeEeEEEeEee33eem 7 months ago
This is what Gorbachev tried to create trying to hold Russia, Ukraine, Belarus together in a last ditch effort to save the USSR.
Did not work.
At least they are trying again.
drivojulianrobotnik 8 months ago
@drivojulianrobotnik Why do people think Gorbachev was a traitor when he tried this?
TVgeinus90sSim 8 months ago
@drivojulianro
Gorbachev was the worst leader in Soviet history. The '91 coup would have saved the USSR, but Gorbachev wanted to destroy it. Yeltsin ruined Russia's economy completely, and it has taken 20 years for Russia to equal the economy of the USSR.
I realize that Gorbachev wanted to do this too, but he wanted to turn a Federal government(Soviet) into a Confederacy. America had something like them happen to them to, from 1861-65, when people wanted to turn the country into a Confederacy.
havee3333333 6 months ago
@havee3333333
You're an asshole!
Gorbachev would have saved the USSR with the New Union Treaty, it was those assholes from the KGB that scared the other republics off.
Sismiques 1 month ago
And what is wrong with a confederacy?
Whatever happened to "The Proletariat only needs the state that is withering away"?
The assholes from the coup destroyed the oppertunity for the new USSR, and scared away the other Republics.
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
The USSR didn't follow Marxism, rather Leninism. Lenin said that the Communist party was the Vanguard of the people, which was meant to be a limited no party state. Stalin changed that later. Lenin believed Communism could only be achievable through Socialist Progression. He also called Socialism the transition between Capitalism and Communism.
-continued-
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Didn't the "CPSU" claim to be "Marxist-Leninist" rather than "Leninist" alone?
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
Marxist-Leninism is basically a combiniation of Stalinism and Leninism.
While Leninism depicts Lenin's ideas alone.
At some point, the CPSU was Marxist-Leninist. The modern CPRF is Marxist-Leninist.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Well, the "CPSU" was more Marist during the time of Kruschev and Gorbachev, more so Stalinist-Brezhnevist much of the the rest of the time.
The so called "CPRF" tends to be way too Stalinist.
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
I disagree, Gorbachev said in 2000 to a Turkish News Paper "My Ambition was to Liquify Communism". Gorbachev was rather a Social Democrat, while Yeltsin was an Authoritarian freelancer whose only ambition was to get into power.
I agree with your thing on the USSR's Stalinism or Brezhnevism. Brezhnev didn't like Stalinism, but he nevertheless followed iHis government changed Stalin's constitution in 1977.
IMO, Stalinism would be successful again with a little reform.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333
Brezhnev was sort of a Stalin Jr. that didn't get around to killing as many people.
And Gorbachev, though clumsy, is/was more communist than he thinks.
Sismiques 1 month ago
@Sismiques
Stalin didn't kill as many people that is portrayed through Western Propaganda.
I know that there is a 20 million number, but the origin of that number comes from a Cold War-era historian named Robert Conquest. Modern Historians like John Getty or Oleg Naumov put the proper number at 1.5 million, while the Great Purge took 681,000 lives.
-continued-
havee3333333 1 month ago
Yes it will benefit our cohesion! Let our warm friendship grows stronger. Yes will ever lighter and more handsome than free peoples State Union! Glory the people wisdom stored — one that agreed to peace calls! Hello, great adamant our Commonwealth and our entire nation! We have the depth of centuries is the history of our common country. And peaceful days, and in the midst of liholetij Klânëmsâ always be Union is correct!
NoOneTookThisNameLol 8 months ago
Long Live the Union State! May more states enter it in near future! Greetings and wishes for development from Greece!
Aldameldo 11 months ago 11
May the Union State grow to maturity and prosperity.
dmkavidelly 11 months ago
Замечательно!
9A97 1 year ago
I support the creation of the Union State under the political and economic system of Belarus.
ColeopterX 1 year ago 12
This must be the part where Belarus became one with Russia !
Staryanuke 1 year ago 2
@Staryanuke
AHP ??? XD
milky0candy 1 year ago
We brazilians support the union of peoples russian and bielorrussian. Greetings from these tropical paradise caled Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
DiegoMarquesLopes 1 year ago 2
q hermoso
StephCaroty 1 year ago
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GravityPowerful 1 year ago
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GravityPowerful 1 year ago
Thats what i got
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Let it be for the benefit of our unity! Let the warmth of our friendship grows stronger ties. Let it be ever brighter and more beautiful than the Free Peoples Sovereign Union! Glory to the peoples of wisdom stored - is that an agreement, the world is calling!
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Hello, great and invincible our community, our entire nation! We have behind them the depth of centuries - the history of our united country. And in the days of peace, and in the midst of hard times We vow to always be faithful to the Union!
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admckay08 1 year ago
nice soyuz
brainckf 1 year ago
ive always hoped for the old soviet republics to be united again . i wonder if any more of the from soviet republics are going to join this union?
admckay08 1 year ago
@admckay08 Moldova and Kazakhstan have said that they are interested.
breizhcatalonia1993 2 months ago
English lyrics?
dmkavidelly 2 years ago
@dmkavidelly Yeah I would really like to see the English lyrics of this... like... now... XD
richrocks95 1 year ago
seulementmoi 1 year ago
@seulementmoi Thanks...?
richrocks95 1 year ago
@seulementmoi Yes there will be into the good rallying our! Let it become stronger our heat- friendly bonds. Yes will be never brighter [krashe] of free peoples sovereign union! Be famous by peoples wisdom [khranimaya] -
dmkavidelly 1 year ago
@dmkavidelly that which to the agreement, to the peace calls! How do you do, our great, indestructible collaboration, entire our people! We have after the arms of the depth of centuries - history of our united country. Both during the peaceful days and at the heighth of [likholetiy] we swear always to be to union accurate!
dmkavidelly 1 year ago
@dmkavidelly Anyone care to fix the grammar?
dmkavidelly 1 year ago