Haha now that Im actually awake I realize having an argument with a foreigner about my home country is like asking a rabbit to explain flight, completely useless and a mistake on my part. I just hope you guys actually enter our beautiful country and open your minds like 85% of my countrymen have. There are still some bitter people but sharing cultures of other people is the most interesting you could ever do. Stop screaming racist and make a friend. Again I apologize for my participation.
Only the whites were allowed to participate and still the vote to include everyone and make the country one won. Now before you tell me of the big crimes against humanity, go look at the actual facts of each of these situations and think properly. For example the big "shootout" in Soweto causing Sowetoday to be declared a public holiday was a small group of policemen protecting their lives form ARMED black people that were climbing the fences...think before you talk
Because you see the moment they wanted some of our land we decided that means we can trade and we took some of their land. And yes at this time the powerhungry did use impolite and discriminating measures. Causing the terrorists to want to stop them and started killing us. So we moved the war to another country and fought back. And what you ignorant smartasses dont know is that the white people actually voted for freedom of the country. In 1992 there was a vote.
Apartheid which you guys might not understand literally means being apart. What they did was split the country so that every folk had their own territorry and that was their home, and similiar to having a passport we had a pasboek if other people wished to enter our land. From there we built a strong, beautiful country but just for ourselves, in our areas. The blacks saw this and wanted it. The entire war was because of that fact.
@SplInT3r48 Spare used your reasoning.Whites invaded Africa with the assumption that the indigenous wouldn't finally wake up and realize that a parasite is make rules and regulation on how the indigenous should live on land we have lived on the past 50000yrs and more.Africa for indigenous Africans period!That means all the resources and land that whites and the west has built their wealth and maintain themselves don't belong to whites. Blacks don't want Europe because its cold and nothing there.
And dont tell me about oppressing the blacks if we had battles of 500 men vs. 10000 Zulus and won. Then after settling we found minerals, which the British wanted and declared war for it. They held our women and children in Concentration camps comparable to Dachau. After 6 years they took the country. Then about 20 years later gave it back to us. At which point we were tired of being harrassed for our bought and fought for land. Eventuating in apartheid.
Fouthly the so-called native blacks of South Africa only arrived the less than a hundred years before us and literally murdered out the native Khoi-san. So dont go on about history land. We didnt actually kill them for it. Piet Retief BOUGHT land from them. The Dutch arrived 1652 and lived in Cape Town and about a hundred years later, after the British began their oppressive rule we moved to Gauteng, and other parts of the country, where we bought land and fought for survival.
@SplInT3r48 First of all as far you arriving to South Africa first is propaganda lies for justification of western white action. Your not indigenous to Africa. Second the Khoi-san are indigenous African people so your point about blacks being different from Khoi-san is a weak point used on ignorant people.
Haha are any of you guys actually South African? Bro unless any of you can say yes, Shut up. The history given and released to the world has less than 50% truth in it. For one the deaths in comparison between white and black was about equal in SA. Secondly were you present in the apartheid time? Unless you can say yes keep your bloody racist mouth away from my people. Thirdly the racism in South Africa was like a flea compared to what happened in America, so dont try and compare the two.
You people may just as high as you can, stay at space where possible, Mandela is our livng legend. Most of you cannot comprehend that fact. I dont blame you. You just googled the history of South Africa.
Let me get this right...white, apartheid gov't terrorizes black civilians and they are mad when the ANC terrorizes them back in response? Amazing. Don't kid yourselves people.
all of you need to shut the fuck up!!for one in 1983, nelson mandela was emprisoned. the number of deaths by the ANC??sure, they killed, but it was in retaliation. the number of murders commited by the anc is not even comparable to that of the racist south african apartheid government and its privileged afrikaners..therefore you need to shut the fuck up, matter fact i must admit that im quite pleased to see some of these afrikaners experiencing just a tiny bit of suffering as the blacks did.
@g2g4life Blacks didn't suffer in SA under apartheid. That's the great media fueled lie in an effort to artificially elevate blacks as the white mans equal. Blacks were separated from whites as separate but equal. Whites built SA and were responsible for the prosperous economy, and blacks had jobs, yet the blacks were the jealous sort that couldn't stand the thought of whites doing better then them in their own country, even though the country basically belongs to the ones who created it. WHITES
If blacks did NOT suffer in SA, How did few Dutch mercenaries, who claim to have left Europe because of "religious prosecution", became able to OCCUPY SA for 400yrs?
Did the Native Africans simply DISAPPEARED from their own native lands, as soon the Dutch criminals landed in African shores in leaky boats?.
Do you mean the Whites migrated to Africa to be EQUAL with blacks, because ALL WHITES are NOT equal in Europe?
If whites were happy being White, why NOT stay with Whites in Europe?
@Moralvorstellung28 It takes time to forgive and forget when you see your parents being beaten up for fun by white cops, have to sit at the back of the bus or train if you're allowed on it, not allowed in restaurants or in a decent school, spat on in the street just because your skin is darker.
Church Street Bombing, Praetoria Train Bombing, 250 limpet mine attacks all on innocent people. People usually say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. That saying is one of pure evil and gives people excuses to call Bin Laden,Mandela,Mao Zedong good. A freedom fighter fights the government, a terrorist fights the civilians
Whan an idiot you are - posting your face and ignorance for the whole world to see - did you actually went to school, can you read? Obviously not..get yourself some audio scholary literature, do some research before you talk rubbish like this.
omg, somebody please shoot this moron! This fucking idiot is as ignorant as the rest of the world who have had wool pulled over their eyes. No bloodshed?!!!!!!????? Fuckoff you fucking IDIOT go find the facts and stop believing the crap you read in the controlled media. omg i wish i could meet you in person so that I can give you a running fuck-slap!
Google "Church Street Bombing" and "Silverton Bank Siege" to see what kind of wonderful man Mandela is.
Sadly for many otherwise sensible folks the fact that the pre-94 SA goverment were *cue scary music here* eeevvviiiilll baby eat "racists" that excuses (at least in their minds) any act of cold blooded murder or terrorism by the ANC and Mandela.
Not that the "Young Turks" (failed AA hosts now reduced to Youtube oblivion) have much credibility on anythuing....
@trenchraider1 i googled it and i would have done the sem ..every fucking racist regime are peoplenned to be killed ..they should have kill more of them ::::: PERIOD
@trenchraider1 He was a wonderful man. I African man defending indigenous African people interest and survival from invaders killers murders and thieves. Black people didn't start the war against Africa by western white civilization aka white men. We sure are going to end it by pushing whites out and their control over Africa and its people in every facet.
Hopelessly uneducated - we are watching our women and children being raped by them, our fathers tortured and maimed - and then there are always survivors left to live with the trauma. Just another American that thinks he knows what is going on by reading his newspaper and sitting in front of his TV.
The real terrorists are the US Gov't! We are "policing" the world. Who do they think they are?! We are no different than Hitler in Nazi Germany. Just a few years later. And by the way, we funded Hitler, check out the history of the Bush family.
``@intrepeco And let us not forget the Koi-San (however small their current populations; due to having been crushed by the Bantu in the North and the East and by the Dutch and later the Germans in the South and the West); the only true natives of Southern Africa``. Hottentots Nama Khoisan are still in Namibia & SA as the Bantu r one.
The Koisan people are the Namibian Damara and Nama people of King Hendrik Witbooi who are the African Blond/ lighters skin as the Bantu/ Ebony looking people of southern Africa. Jan van Riebeek, is not a hero for us but he is one of the Dutch political hero of the Dorsland and Voortrekkers in Republic of South Africa.
Economic interests especially on Uranium deposits, Gold, Diamonds by UK, US from SA were the main reaosn for western governments to previously turn a blind eye on sanctioning the Apartheid government and declaring mandela and ANC as terrorists. Blacks were seggregated and marginalizes black in UK and US then and todate so it doesnt come as a surprise.
It is easy abd olain to see for wny one who is not a fan of Apartheid and a natural hater of balck people. US, UK and their allies against ANC shared a similar treatment of black pple in their countries and some goes on todate.
This guy's completely ignorant to the situation in Suid-Afrika. They didn't over-throw the damned government. It was De Klerk who engineered the end of apartheid, SA's racial segregation policy, and supported the transformation of SA into a multi-racial democracy by entering into the negotiations that resulted in all citizens, including the country's black majority, having equal voting and other rights. He worked with Mandella in officially ending Apartheid before a civil war broke out. Idiot.
Don't worry, we know you terrorists stick together, birds of a feather and all.
You also f*king blow up trains and buildings; killing innocents in the process like the ANC did back in the day? If they are killing both black and white innocents in the name of fighting a government you don't like it counts as non-violence?
@BahreNeGash What on earth does Eritrea have to do with any of this?
And I was addressing the Turk with the Greek comment, as he has such a brilliantly utopian revisionist version of history. His people are just as violent as the ANC were, more in fact. Armenian Genocide ring any bells, how about unprovoked invasion of Cyprus? I wonder what he would say about those outstanding and actions....
@BahreNeGash Good; then we have an understanding. I do not support ethnic injustice; I believe in self-determination for all nations. I will not defend Apartheid as such, but that doesn't not mean that Mandela was not a terrorist, nor does it mean that the new order is any better than the old government. I hope the implication of what you are saying isn't intended to be that Apartheid was a genocide, because that is simply not true. It was always a system of segregation, never of eradication.
As long as we both AGREE, "NO SUPPORT FOR ETHNIC INJUSTICE", we are coming to the point.
Just like you, MILLIONS of people in South Africa & all over the world HATED & FOUGHT against Apartheid.
You may NOT agree with the mechanism & some FREEDOM FIGHTERS may have committed crimes against INNOCENT CIVILIANS, you just can NOT DISMISS the MAIN-OBJECTIVE of Mandela's struggle against Apartheid.
After all, ONE MAN'S LIBERATION FIGHTER IS ANOTHER MAN'S TERRORIST.
@BahreNeGash All I know is, racism against whites is still racism. And the ANC kind of killed white people as if it was a fair revenge for the oppression of black people in apartheid. An eye for an eye doesn't work anymore.
@BahreNeGash I agree with most of what you have said. I must however clarify these few things. Freedom fighters do what the Boere did against the British. Not what the ANC did against their fellow South Africans; white and black. If you fight for freedom, you are a freedom fighter. If you intentionally kill innocents, you are a terrorist. I am all for freedom and self-determination. True freedom fighters are heroes.
@BahreNeGash. "It was easy to capture and enslave the " Nègro Asino ". The woman from Asmaraino seemed excited by the beauty of the Italian men and would stalk us. Out of all the woman in Italiano Africano (Libya, Eritrea and Somalia) I must admit that the woman from Eritrea were overly sexual and willing to try new things."
It ain't about my personal definition of the Old South African government.
It's about the history of South Africa,,, Few Dutch marauding mercenaries, who claim to have left Europe because of "religious prosecution", exterminating the Native Africans for FOUR CENTURIES, occupy & loot their land & tormenting the natives to keep them away from their own ancestral property. just like the English criminals sent to Australia exterminated the Aborigines & took over their lands, since 1700.
@uzziah120000 When Apartheid police shot and killed unarmed demostrators was that terrorism or not? Umkonto we Sizwe millitary strategy was making a country ungovernable by specifically targeting infrastructure and economic installations. In any war situation civilian casulaties are inevitable. That came after your racist grandfathers and mothers
@intrepeco And again. Your living in a country which is a symbol of racial oppression (as this is the reason for the existence of Belgium as one country), seems to me to invalidate your whole foolish attempt to get involved and tell us what we should think of our own history; go take the plank out of your own eye and Free the Vlaamse, then maybe I will be prepared to listen seriously to your racist kak.
@uzziah120000 Wallonia was industrial at one point; Now its Vlaamse's turn. Despite their differences their democratic process and rule of law avails and they dont just assassinate others in the name of national security (do you see what you support 20 yrs old?) They have agreed to disagree democratically, even had a referendum on separation; your grannies would have chosen death over it! U are off point here; If only you chose democracy over bigotry and racism! dont be bitter self made losers!
@intrepeco With regards to Flanders and Wallonia: See this is where we differ; you think it is ok for a racial majority of one group to dominate another; as long as they are included in the democratic process. I detest this aggressive democratic imperialism. Each people should have home rule; let Flanders govern itself again. Let the Zulu, the Xhosa, the Afrikaners, the Coloureds, the Swazi, the Ndebele, the Tswana, the Sotho, the Tsonga, the Venda and the Ndebele peoples do so themselves too.
@uzziah120000 Democracy matters to me as it gives Belgians an opportunity to design ways to co exist. Your folks refused it in SA and lost! You are 20yrs old and regurgitate self centeredness and bigotry. I dont think you guys will ever rule that country again with this kind of attitude. If the separation is to be implemented; SA will have to revisit her tribal boundaries before the arrival of the Europens and reallocate land accordingly;
@uzziah120000 since naturally when land availability is reduced (in this case was stolen by you and your folks) for what ever reason from its original owners then sharing policies are practical. If your suggestion is to have Tongas, Zulus and others have their own lands I dont think you and your folks have any land to create your state in as all the claimed land by your folks was robbed from natives. BYE BYE BOERS SEE U IN AMSTERDAM or PARIS!
@intrepeco yo dude can I just ask you where you got your facts from? we didnt steal anything. We BOUGHT our land when we got there. Go find out about Piet Retief and the Zulus. And do you know what happened after our side of the bargain (a certain amount of livestock, etc) was brought to Dingane the leading party was murdered in an attempt to keep both the land and our possessions. Following that was quite a few battles where the Zulus tried to eradicate is. Think before you talk more crap...
@uzziah120000 (coz you are only 20 yo!) refused peacefull negotiations. Sounds like they wanted chaos to rationalize and achieve ERADICATION which already occurred on political activitists disappearances and random killings but you are stupidly defending something you dont know. ANC didnt shoot at columns of white pple Or kill political activists under their custody eg Steve Biko et al; Mandela didnt order civilian massacre but Nationalist leaders did.
@intrepeco The old government did not kill INOCENTS, only communists (whom you choose to call political activists); and yes the old government had them assasinated and brainwashed, but that is because it was a matter of national security. I won't apologise for my peoples refusal to negotiate with terrorists. They failed at making the country ungovernable, and only left their own people with a legacy of violence. Old FW sold the country out to these same terrorists.
@uzziah120000 I quote "..assassinated and brainwashed.. matter of national security". You dont have to apologize. They already have your asses.. If the country was still governable why arent the Nationalist NAZIs still there plundering, abducting, raping, assassinating, torturing in the name of Apartheid (you national) security? So SA was still governable and FW was just tired to rule? You are pathetic, disillusioned 20 yrs old and are surely disgusting.
@uzziah120000 Those were the terrorists and not Mandela. Whatever your response to the first question is would you tell us a way ANC and other resistant groups could have used to pull down Apartheid under those circumstances..?
@intrepeco It seems you see discrimination favourably; and in response to your ageism (thinking that a man of twenty has less say than one in his 40s) let me too make an ad hominem criticism of your person. You are from/live in Belgium; yet you presume to know more about a situation regarding my home country.... My views are based both on personal accounts of the events and on historical records; whereas yours are based on media bias, I wonder which is the better historical method....
@uzziah120000 Say what you want.. but your system got busted and when that happens one feels pricked.. NO LONGER ENTITLED ON COLOR basis; dont worry you will get over it. by the way I am an African from one of the Front States of Liberation of Southern Africa..
@intrepeco Despite the murder rate dropping by a few thousand a year in the last couple of years it is still higher than it was in the early ninties under the old order; rape and sexual abuse are still at an all time high. The ANC are responsible for these trends. Now you accuse me and my parents and my grandparents of plundering, abducting and raping; and you think my bitterness is based on my being a disgusting person? So you advocate rape and murder and would not be dissilusioned by them?
@uzziah120000 Correction; Blacks lived in bantustans and black townships; had to show IDs (passes) to visit towns and cities where whites lived. It is only natural that crime in bantustans and black township werent reported; a white reporter report about a mugged resident of Soweto, Sophiatown or Gugulethu? Could a black reporter report on white crime freely then? or whites report crimes by other whites in a country where whites are supposed to be flawless? .
@intrepeco I just find it funny that you think you have an opinion bro. If we had never cum the ENTIRE population would probably have died from AIDS by now. they wouldve lived in their huts without the luxuries that any man deserves. We came, bought and fought for our little piece of country in the midst of it all and flourished. They wanted our luxuries, we wanted our "country" to stay beautiful. Thus passports. Yes it was discriminating in colour. But dont you need a passport to visit France?
@SplInT3r48 Well I dont have an opinion I agree. But that we would have been dead of AIDS is quite a strong one on the Stupid side! GO read more about AIDS and other diseases like syphilis and when they were introduced and by who to not only in Africa but even in North America, Australia (Refer Australian Prime Minister's Apology to the Aborigines). I respect pple with such courage not those on denial like you. Well France is in Europe.
@intrepeco I do apologize. Reading some of these ignorant comments just made me a bit angry. My point was that they would have none of the medical, scientifical, technological, etc things that you enjoy every day.
No African cries for land rights in France the way you do in Africa. Your grandpas who "supposedly" Bought part of South Africa, were on a smart side, they 'd 've thought of using deception and contracts with illiterate chiefs which happened all over Africa. I am sure you'd have run to court if a MAfia wise guy signed your illerate grand pa who couldnt even read and took the family farm or wouldnt you? .
@uzziah120000 today's SA press is free and covers national wide. Besides, it takes a cell phone to report even on CNN! Try and compare crime in US and that of SA as we speak! A person isnt safe walking in New York or London today as much as they unsafe in SA. And those countries had longer than SA to remediate social imbalances and combat crime. ANC gvt has had only 16 years to address; Face the truth and try to resolve issues rather than sinking deeper into bigotry
@intrepeco And let us not forget the Koi-San (however small their current populations; due to having been crushed by the Bantu in the North and the East and by the Dutch and later the Germans in the South and the West); the only true natives of Southern Africa.
@uzziah120000 My understanding of how Africans lived before the arrival of Europeans is tribes complemented each other depending on their economic activities in their batter trade. hunters and gatherers exchanged honey, traditional medicines with other tribes and within the Maasai culture the hunters and gatherers served as circumcision surgeons in order to avert sabotage. farming tribes exchanged grains for meat, milk or animal hides;
@uzziah120000 and so did the fishing tribes, pottery tribes, or metal working tribes that made spears and arrows. they co existed and had peaceful traditional resolution methods in times of conflict. Sans had a role as hunters and gatherers. Europens had population plans that were supposed to see natives of occupied lands outnumbers by colonialists (British, Boers and Germans). To add to that - genocide through shooting and even administration of small pox;
@uzziah120000 (same method used in North America and Australia against the native Indians/Aborigines) plummetted Sans numbers and lands were grabbed - Genesis of Zimbawe crisis as it is today. Google-NAmibia genocide 1904 and Trekboers and Khoesan. Try to research and learn and stop witch hunting. Destruction of cultural balance that existed before and refusal of whites to integrae blacks and other non whites.
@uzziah120000 Talk of desparation to sound politically correct .. But dont know how. Where were you when pple of South Africa were being destroyed in any way possible to judge those who put their lives in harms way?
What makes people OCCUPY CITIES today and there isnt Apartheid? You are a cheap racist and you will die one. Piece of Shit.
@BahreNeGash What on earth does Eritrea have to do with any of this?
And I was addressing the Turk with the Greek comment, as he has such a brilliantly utopian revisionist version of history. His people are just as violent as the ANC were, more in fact. Armenian Genocide ring any bells, how about unprovoked invasion of Cyprus? I wonder what he would say about those outstanding actions....
The Anc did something called necklacing. The "apartheid government" killed 518 but 20482 were killed by the so called "freedom fighters" most killings were black on black but the press never told anybody about that. The agola border war of South africa black and white faught side by side for there country and that was in the "apartheid" times. Do your self a favour just ask the question on google, Mandela freedom fighter or terorist?, and you will get your answer.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he said that the ANC overthrew the old SA government without any bloodshed- WTF! He obviously hasn't stayed in SA before.
this Guy is a wanker a YANKIE WANKER ive had emails from him before and he is a tool!!! talks out his ass and thinks the world loves that kaffir mandela but in fact majority know what he realy is!!!! TERRORIST an OLD ONE!!!!! wake up yankie doodle its 2011 not 1211
@d0nc42 Bro that might be true and Mandela was a terrorist...but he is still a leader who integrated the country without reversing the regime. No need to call him demeaning names....
@SplInT3r48 Integrated is code word for whites to maintain the land resources and power from their invasion theft and murder of indigenous African and other indigenous people across this planet the past 600yrs. The white man goal which history shows is to have and maintain power over the planet by any means and at any cost.
dude youve got no idea wot the fuck u talking about...i stay in SA... u must do a little research ffs... the ANC killed THOUZENS of people 90 percent of the killing was black on black,ANC vs IFP!!! ps mandela was labeled a terrorist coz he planed a bomings and killed inoccent people
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. The ANC was put on the terrorist list because they were terrorising fellow South African citizens. Just Google Mandela Bombings. First hit: BBC: 1983: Car bomb in South Africa kills 16. "With no blood shed" Is this guy being serious? They did what they had to do, sure. But tell it like it is man... they weren't saints.
Did you know the English colonialists listed George Washington as "TERRORIST" before succumbing to George Washington, just like the South African Apartheid & the USA succumbed to Nelson Mandela????
Little did you know,,,, ONE MAN'S FREEDOM FIGHTER IS ANOTHER MAN'S TERRORIST.
The Zionist sponsored anti-racial hypocrisy is for power over South Africans resources, and for the murder on all christian whites, who have built the wealth of this nation. Great Britain you are a thief, and a murderer. It was the British who put the white Boer women and children into concentration camps to die. They have put this ex-terrorist puppet Mandela on top of the country, and after his death they plan a massacre.
ANC are communists sponsored by the British/zionist elite. They plan mass blood bath against the whites in South Africa, because they hate Christians and they hate right wingers. Most and for all they want perpetual control of the gold and diamond reserves of South Africa. Don't believe any of the zionist propaganda books,tv shows, Peace Prize awards,love-understanding-anti-racism hypocrisy because it is not about that at all.
WHITE POWER FROM ME AND MINE!!!! WHITE POWER!!! FUCK YOUR RACES, MAY THEY BURN IN A GLORIOUS BLAZE OF WHITE FIRE, KILLING ALL YOUR WORTHLESS FEMALE BREEDERS AND YOUR FURTURE CRIMINAL CHILDREN...BURN THEM ALL.
I've no problem with "White Race Being Blessesd". Good for White people.
THE SAME GOD BLESSINGS APPLIES TO EVERY HUMAN CREED IN THIS PLANET.
Too bad, you don't worship the same God, just like ALL human races do.
FYI: Africans are NOT interested in FREEZING Europe.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EUROPE, but if Europe was any place to live, millions of Europeans would NOT have perished, looking for a better place to live, away from Europe.
@BahreNeGash the white race was created, with the purpose to rule the World.... blacks aren't worth of living.... the world belongs to us, to the Europeans... we are much richer than you are.... believe me, your women are coming to Europe, so they could work as the prostitutes in Europe, and take our money away... it has been enough of that. that time has come to tell you STOP. what language do you speak?? English?? as far as I know English came from Europe... your language is monkey language..
@BahreNeGash without European help, you would die of hunger.... so be at least a bit thankful to the europeans, because without us, you wouldn't know anything about science, maths, physics, sports,.... death to blacks.... do you know what had Spaniards done, before their fall?? they slaughtered 95% of indian trash in south africa, and they brought them the normal laguage.... wait for a few decades, we will exterminate your children....
you are afreakin idiot, ya know that, or maybe youd like to see up close what is happening to white farmers in South Africa, you dis-informatists crack me up, does anyone believe your bullshit anymore?
@BahreNeGash mandella changed while he was in jail but he was in there for a reason. The Anc killed just over 20000 blacks in the prosses of liberating the country wich he was a leader of he was walking hand in hand with the russian comunists who was also on the terrorist list. Look at your facts and research your history before you talk about sour grapes.
@BahreNeGash You ignorant racist. 300 hundred years; don't you mean a few decades? And what crimes? Our ancestors weren't the ones bombing trains, neither are the daily rapes and murders which take place in the new South Africa perpetrated by our people. Go read some history, maybe actually go to South Africa before you talk bullsh*t about things you don't know about.
@BahreNeGash Wasnt George Washington a European? You cant compare two groups of Europeans fighting for control to the ANC trying to take what the whiteman made, brought and built.
1. The Boers did NOT came to Africa to build Africa.
The Boers came to AFRICA to escape European misery.
Exterminating & displacing NATIVE Africans is NOT building Africa.
2. NO, GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS NOT EUROPEAN.
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS AN AMERICAN.
Therefore, just like the IRISH, SCOTS, WALES,,, fought ENGLISH OCCUPATION, George Washington was an American who fought for the freedom of his people & his homeland, just like Nelson Mandela & ANC fought for their people & for their homeland.
@BahreNeGash I agree up to misery. Now tell me how buying land from a group of people becomes exterminating? Thus you are saying George Washington had more right to fight for America than the native americans, which they massacred? But all that aside, how can you call it fighting for your homeland when jealousy of others' homeland drives you to try and take it. I will not say Afrikaners were without sin. We did do wrong things as did every single other culture. But thats over now.
I'm VERY pleased, you finally get to see the light of the day & realize,,, "sharing cultures of other people is the most interesting you could ever do".
I'm very HAPPY for your ENLIGHTENMENT & I only wish you ALL the best.
I ONLY hope that you can see & ask yourself WHY, "There are still some bitter people" around"?
@SplInT3r48 Its not over now. Africa is for indigenous Africans. Whites have more specifically white men have gone all over this planet stealing killing and murdering to gain and maintain power. When people fight back they will be labelled as terrorist by whites. What a fucking joke.
@BahreNeGash George Washington was just like the European white Boers. He was a invader who declared war on everything native American which quickly included enslaved Africans. The goal behind this was land power and wealth.
@BahreNeGash You have to look at European history. They where always fighting among themselves. The Boers and George Washington make no mistake about where about white supremacy which means they where apart of western white civilization. The French and English fought for a 100 yrs yet they are still allies. Germany as said to be the reason for the starts of WW1 and WW2 yet they are still allies with the rest of western white civilization.
Race, Religion or Politics has NOTHING to do with 5000yrs of European mutual EXTERMINATIONS.
After all, Europe being TINY, OVERPOPULATED & FROZEN RESOURCESLESS LAND, it's ONLY natural for Europeans to EXTERMINATE each-other for the very limited resources Europe can provide to the EVER FREEZING, COLD & DESTITUTE EUROPEANS.
The same applies for the Boers, French, Germans, English, Polish, Gypsies, Russians or George Washington,,, switching FRIENDS & FOES is ALL ABOUT DESPERATE SURVIVAL.
SOUTH AFRICANS getting back their homeland after 400yrs of disparagement & displacement from their own homeland is THE CROWNING OF BLACK MAN, the European scavengers NEVER thought would EVER happen under their nose, in their life time.
The day of INNOCENCE, welcoming the very SCAVENGERS that would BLEED black-man to extinction ARE over.
WELCOMING HOME YOUR MORTAL ENEMIES AIN'T GOING TO BE SIMPLE HUMILITY ANY MORE.
Most peaceful people on the planet? Have they seen what kind of people the ANC members turned out to be? Over 50 people get killed each day and over 3000 farmers have been killed since 94. The whole world is so uneducated about SA and they still have this image of poor black people and freedom this and freedom that. Things changed in SA, no one is oppressed, we all are now just prisoners in our own country, hoping that you and the ones you love won't be killed in the "new" South Africa!
Did you honestly think everybody was for peace in SA like Mandela.A lot of black people lost their loved ones,had no opportunity to education and basic rights,For many it's pay back time with no remorse.These
are the consequences of apartheid.It will be decades before till the oppression is totally forgotten and the whites are not exactly helping with reconciling either
@Nasdaq7 Buddy, 100 000 hand granades is a lie, google over exaggerated. Most of the ammunition they were "caught" with was planted, remember that the apartheid regime had censorship on the media and the media mainly propagandised whatever the government said, plus my gran father was part of the militant wing 'Umkhonto Wesizwe'
US government is so ignorant, I guess the only reason why they are allies with our country is to use us for their own personal gain. Oh and correction, there was blood shed that happened in South Africa, I guess you only take notice when white people die, and not african
I dont know where fat turk gets info? I can say its funny that people think white SA are racist????
I can gurantee you that in the USA if 70% of black people started an ANC and car bombs went off, school buses of white kids were blowin up with anti tank mines, and two black guys went into a church and shot whites praying....? This country would be on fire top to bottom! Whole sell slaughter.
@Kibbeg You bloody racist fucking basterd...Get your facts straight and find a brain. EVERYBODY is racist, which includes the worldpopulation. Some people just use all their might to fight being racist. And btw trust me ive met atleast 3 times as many black racists as to white racists and I dont live among too many blacks. So shut the fuck up and take the fucking tree out of your eye before you point at the splinter in ours
Some people have to understand,they don't bomb for nothing - they wouldn't place a carbomb if there were other ways to achieve their goal,you know,everything can't be done by peaceful means.
Take Gandhi for example; "if you don't have it in you to be truly non-violent you better hit back and hit back hard,don't use non-violence as an excuse for being a coward"
Yes, Mandela is an amazing man... and I respect him greatly! But if you're actually gonna come here and comment on the history of a country you know NEXT TO NOTHING about, atleast go and read up on it! Took me all of 5minutes to find it on wikipedia.
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!! I am a South African.. and I am proud of my heritage! I am proud to say that Nelson Mandela HELPED lead us to a democracy, but by no means did he achieve that goal without bloodshed!! And America never was on the side of the Apartheid government, since the Americans sanctioned us politically up to the point where the country was strangeled of crucial resources and had to deal through the black market.
Secondly: "The Church Street bombing was a car bomb attack on 20 May 1983 by Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress, in the South African capital Pretoria. The bombing killed 19 and wounded more than 200 (including civilians), and was one of the largest attacks engaged in by the ANC during its armed struggle against apartheid."
First off: "Terrorism: The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives."
It doesn't help Mandela that he associates with anti-American scum like Fidel Castro(brutal communist tyrant) and Moammar Gaddafi (crazy Islamic tyrant), and considers these two his "brothers", and exalts them as paragons of freedom and democracy!
@ChrisDetroit the reason nelson mandela is on the terrorist list is because he was an anti-apartheid leader, he was accused of sabotage and sentenced to prison for life, but was released after 27 years. in south africa, blacks, colored people and indians were subject to "legal racial segregation" or apartheid. he was standing up for whats right. the us is just fucking retarded. the us should be on its own terrorist list.. we are terrorists for invading the wrong country for fake reasons. learn.
who is this idiot on this news programme! what a twit! you dumb ass american idiot!!!
do you know what he did? maybe we should make osama bin laden a hero and say that 9/11 was just a joke!! no blood shed you are al kind of messed up man just proves you americans are all thick as shit!
@d0nc42 your such an idiot man!!! are you for real or is this just a joke ? do you get paid mate? cause your a shit Journalist!!!! dont have a CLUE bout SOUTH AFRICA!!!
mate your founding fathers were good no problem! it was war right? so mandela was called a terrorist, we fought him its war man! cold war against commies remember vietnam,korea Afghanistan 1980, South africa 1966-1989, see the cycle!! communism mate swithc on you Dork and read a book!
That turk loves blacks, becuse the formare Ancient Semites were much white:er back in time, and then they brought in black slaves and started to breed with them, so arabs today are "mulatos" of part negro and part Semite.
that's why this man has curly black hair, Ancient Semites had darkbrown and light light skin.
so he is part negro, that's why he defends them so much and talks so much shit that has no logic what so ever
You maybe getting your info from pro-apartheid separatists.
I'm sick of people acting like they would have been like Christ himself if they where in the shoes of Mandela. History show he wasn't Jesus, but he did try his hardest to stop the ANC from fractioning into militant organizations (after police brutality) he knew he had to be like MLK and Gandhi (his heroes) but it was very hard.
@b1aflatoxin hey idiot stop watching power of one and all that political crap as well as invictus were you from some politically correct country? and if your from SA well then my man i feel sorry for you cause you never got the memo MANDELA TERRORIST KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN SECURITY FORCES!!!! sinking in!!! GENOCIDE NOT FRREDOM FIGHT WAKE UP!!!!!
@b1aflatoxin hey yankee doodle! you had slaves in the white house in the 60s SA never had slaves! switch on mate your pissing people off by talking about stuff you know nothing about come live in SA! big talker in the USA but really is just a child playing big boys games! my man mandela is not what CNN says he is or fox news
@cha0z4o0 Church street bombing was a sick and futile act,
BUT LADY'S AND KIDS WERE NOT THE TARGET.
Just like the bombers didn't intend to blow themselves up.
They when bombing military target if us Americans have got our facts straight.
The bombers probably drove past several "white" schools on the way to their stupid attack site.
It does your country NO GOOD to lie about history. WHY?? Because the cowardly bombing was bad enough. DON'T ADD LIES, because some sap might believe them.
The ANC are terrorist's. Nelson Mandela tried to bomb a railway station, that's why he was sent to Robin island and is considered a terrorist by many people. Robin island did him allot of good to in terms of his education.
And the white government was never "overthrown" their was a referendum in which, 63% of the White's voted to allow blacks the right to vote.Then Mandela was elected.....
@TheMindFarter Who killed more? Who was the oppressor for generations?
What side will history be on?
South Africa is a mess now, but that is because it usually takes 150 years for the scales of conquest and infighting to level out, into a more harmonious existence. (Like the USA, Canada, Cuba, U.K. etc. etc.)
Apartheid ended for a good reason.
It took a lot of lives, and the reverberations of apartheid will hurt all Z.A. people for a very, very long time.
hahah he he sould tipe on google farm murders thy r brutal not human of nature wat a dickhead
TheBoeremag 1 month ago
Haha now that Im actually awake I realize having an argument with a foreigner about my home country is like asking a rabbit to explain flight, completely useless and a mistake on my part. I just hope you guys actually enter our beautiful country and open your minds like 85% of my countrymen have. There are still some bitter people but sharing cultures of other people is the most interesting you could ever do. Stop screaming racist and make a friend. Again I apologize for my participation.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
Only the whites were allowed to participate and still the vote to include everyone and make the country one won. Now before you tell me of the big crimes against humanity, go look at the actual facts of each of these situations and think properly. For example the big "shootout" in Soweto causing Sowetoday to be declared a public holiday was a small group of policemen protecting their lives form ARMED black people that were climbing the fences...think before you talk
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
Because you see the moment they wanted some of our land we decided that means we can trade and we took some of their land. And yes at this time the powerhungry did use impolite and discriminating measures. Causing the terrorists to want to stop them and started killing us. So we moved the war to another country and fought back. And what you ignorant smartasses dont know is that the white people actually voted for freedom of the country. In 1992 there was a vote.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
Apartheid which you guys might not understand literally means being apart. What they did was split the country so that every folk had their own territorry and that was their home, and similiar to having a passport we had a pasboek if other people wished to enter our land. From there we built a strong, beautiful country but just for ourselves, in our areas. The blacks saw this and wanted it. The entire war was because of that fact.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48 Spare used your reasoning.Whites invaded Africa with the assumption that the indigenous wouldn't finally wake up and realize that a parasite is make rules and regulation on how the indigenous should live on land we have lived on the past 50000yrs and more.Africa for indigenous Africans period!That means all the resources and land that whites and the west has built their wealth and maintain themselves don't belong to whites. Blacks don't want Europe because its cold and nothing there.
arronnov 2 months ago
And dont tell me about oppressing the blacks if we had battles of 500 men vs. 10000 Zulus and won. Then after settling we found minerals, which the British wanted and declared war for it. They held our women and children in Concentration camps comparable to Dachau. After 6 years they took the country. Then about 20 years later gave it back to us. At which point we were tired of being harrassed for our bought and fought for land. Eventuating in apartheid.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
Fouthly the so-called native blacks of South Africa only arrived the less than a hundred years before us and literally murdered out the native Khoi-san. So dont go on about history land. We didnt actually kill them for it. Piet Retief BOUGHT land from them. The Dutch arrived 1652 and lived in Cape Town and about a hundred years later, after the British began their oppressive rule we moved to Gauteng, and other parts of the country, where we bought land and fought for survival.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48 First of all as far you arriving to South Africa first is propaganda lies for justification of western white action. Your not indigenous to Africa. Second the Khoi-san are indigenous African people so your point about blacks being different from Khoi-san is a weak point used on ignorant people.
arronnov 2 months ago
Haha are any of you guys actually South African? Bro unless any of you can say yes, Shut up. The history given and released to the world has less than 50% truth in it. For one the deaths in comparison between white and black was about equal in SA. Secondly were you present in the apartheid time? Unless you can say yes keep your bloody racist mouth away from my people. Thirdly the racism in South Africa was like a flea compared to what happened in America, so dont try and compare the two.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
You people may just as high as you can, stay at space where possible, Mandela is our livng legend. Most of you cannot comprehend that fact. I dont blame you. You just googled the history of South Africa.
Dokotela100 6 months ago
My unce grew up in the same town as Mandela
TheIronicBanana 6 months ago
Let me get this right...white, apartheid gov't terrorizes black civilians and they are mad when the ANC terrorizes them back in response? Amazing. Don't kid yourselves people.
magnific82 6 months ago
all of you need to shut the fuck up!!for one in 1983, nelson mandela was emprisoned. the number of deaths by the ANC??sure, they killed, but it was in retaliation. the number of murders commited by the anc is not even comparable to that of the racist south african apartheid government and its privileged afrikaners..therefore you need to shut the fuck up, matter fact i must admit that im quite pleased to see some of these afrikaners experiencing just a tiny bit of suffering as the blacks did.
g2g4life 7 months ago
@g2g4life Blacks didn't suffer in SA under apartheid. That's the great media fueled lie in an effort to artificially elevate blacks as the white mans equal. Blacks were separated from whites as separate but equal. Whites built SA and were responsible for the prosperous economy, and blacks had jobs, yet the blacks were the jealous sort that couldn't stand the thought of whites doing better then them in their own country, even though the country basically belongs to the ones who created it. WHITES
Moralvorstellung28 7 months ago
hahahah :)
If blacks did NOT suffer in SA, How did few Dutch mercenaries, who claim to have left Europe because of "religious prosecution", became able to OCCUPY SA for 400yrs?
Did the Native Africans simply DISAPPEARED from their own native lands, as soon the Dutch criminals landed in African shores in leaky boats?.
Do you mean the Whites migrated to Africa to be EQUAL with blacks, because ALL WHITES are NOT equal in Europe?
If whites were happy being White, why NOT stay with Whites in Europe?
BahreNeGash 7 months ago
@Moralvorstellung28 It takes time to forgive and forget when you see your parents being beaten up for fun by white cops, have to sit at the back of the bus or train if you're allowed on it, not allowed in restaurants or in a decent school, spat on in the street just because your skin is darker.
zzsharka 7 months ago
Church Street Bombing, Praetoria Train Bombing, 250 limpet mine attacks all on innocent people. People usually say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. That saying is one of pure evil and gives people excuses to call Bin Laden,Mandela,Mao Zedong good. A freedom fighter fights the government, a terrorist fights the civilians
RedZHunter 8 months ago
Whan an idiot you are - posting your face and ignorance for the whole world to see - did you actually went to school, can you read? Obviously not..get yourself some audio scholary literature, do some research before you talk rubbish like this.
The65Gabe 8 months ago
omg, somebody please shoot this moron! This fucking idiot is as ignorant as the rest of the world who have had wool pulled over their eyes. No bloodshed?!!!!!!????? Fuckoff you fucking IDIOT go find the facts and stop believing the crap you read in the controlled media. omg i wish i could meet you in person so that I can give you a running fuck-slap!
fretbuzzz 8 months ago
Google "Church Street Bombing" and "Silverton Bank Siege" to see what kind of wonderful man Mandela is.
Sadly for many otherwise sensible folks the fact that the pre-94 SA goverment were *cue scary music here* eeevvviiiilll baby eat "racists" that excuses (at least in their minds) any act of cold blooded murder or terrorism by the ANC and Mandela.
Not that the "Young Turks" (failed AA hosts now reduced to Youtube oblivion) have much credibility on anythuing....
trenchraider1 9 months ago 8
@trenchraider1 i googled it and i would have done the sem ..every fucking racist regime are peoplenned to be killed ..they should have kill more of them ::::: PERIOD
dramatish 7 months ago
@dramatish So in your mind because someone is a "racist" they deserve to be murdered, right? That's some sick thinking, child.
Oh and by the way, charming language. It's a handy window into understanding both your maturity level and your intellect.
trenchraider1 7 months ago
@trenchraider1 yes in my mind if someone is a racist they deserved to be killed...and if you are a racist, somebody should kill you.
dramatish 7 months ago
@trenchraider1 He was a wonderful man. I African man defending indigenous African people interest and survival from invaders killers murders and thieves. Black people didn't start the war against Africa by western white civilization aka white men. We sure are going to end it by pushing whites out and their control over Africa and its people in every facet.
arronnov 2 months ago
Are you idiots fucking DENSE? the ANC are TERRORIST. SCUMBAGS. PERIOD. Do some fucking RESEARCH before you make something so IGNORANT.
necroticism 9 months ago
Hopelessly uneducated - we are watching our women and children being raped by them, our fathers tortured and maimed - and then there are always survivors left to live with the trauma. Just another American that thinks he knows what is going on by reading his newspaper and sitting in front of his TV.
From a Boer in exile.
boertjie205 9 months ago
The real terrorists are the US Gov't! We are "policing" the world. Who do they think they are?! We are no different than Hitler in Nazi Germany. Just a few years later. And by the way, we funded Hitler, check out the history of the Bush family.
Roses2287 9 months ago
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``@intrepeco And let us not forget the Koi-San (however small their current populations; due to having been crushed by the Bantu in the North and the East and by the Dutch and later the Germans in the South and the West); the only true natives of Southern Africa``. Hottentots Nama Khoisan are still in Namibia & SA as the Bantu r one.
53Africa 9 months ago
The Koisan people are the Namibian Damara and Nama people of King Hendrik Witbooi who are the African Blond/ lighters skin as the Bantu/ Ebony looking people of southern Africa. Jan van Riebeek, is not a hero for us but he is one of the Dutch political hero of the Dorsland and Voortrekkers in Republic of South Africa.
53Africa 9 months ago
0 blood shed? are you fucking serious? check facts before you open that fat fucking mouth man..
KaylinJH 10 months ago
Economic interests especially on Uranium deposits, Gold, Diamonds by UK, US from SA were the main reaosn for western governments to previously turn a blind eye on sanctioning the Apartheid government and declaring mandela and ANC as terrorists. Blacks were seggregated and marginalizes black in UK and US then and todate so it doesnt come as a surprise.
intrepeco 10 months ago
It is easy abd olain to see for wny one who is not a fan of Apartheid and a natural hater of balck people. US, UK and their allies against ANC shared a similar treatment of black pple in their countries and some goes on todate.
intrepeco 10 months ago
THIS GUY IS VERY RIGHT AND KNOWS WHAT HE IS SAYING ..
intrepeco 10 months ago
This guy's completely ignorant to the situation in Suid-Afrika. They didn't over-throw the damned government. It was De Klerk who engineered the end of apartheid, SA's racial segregation policy, and supported the transformation of SA into a multi-racial democracy by entering into the negotiations that resulted in all citizens, including the country's black majority, having equal voting and other rights. He worked with Mandella in officially ending Apartheid before a civil war broke out. Idiot.
Kephissos 10 months ago 4
You going to invade Greece again?
Don't worry, we know you terrorists stick together, birds of a feather and all.
You also f*king blow up trains and buildings; killing innocents in the process like the ANC did back in the day? If they are killing both black and white innocents in the name of fighting a government you don't like it counts as non-violence?
F*k you, racist prick.
uzziah120000 10 months ago
@uzziah120000
Are you out of your mind?
Why would any one NEEDS "to invade Greece"?
What makes you think Greece is worth any thing?
FYI: ERITREANS are too busy rebuilding their homeland & enjoying peace they earned the hard way.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT?
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash What on earth does Eritrea have to do with any of this?
And I was addressing the Turk with the Greek comment, as he has such a brilliantly utopian revisionist version of history. His people are just as violent as the ANC were, more in fact. Armenian Genocide ring any bells, how about unprovoked invasion of Cyprus? I wonder what he would say about those outstanding and actions....
uzziah120000 10 months ago
@uzziah120000
I'm NOT NOT talking about Eritrea.
I'm talking about ETHNIC-INJUSTICE.
AND YES,,, YOU ARE RIGHT,,,, 500 years of Ottaman Turkish genocidal empire hs far more worst ETHNC GENOCIDES than South African Aparghied.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash Good; then we have an understanding. I do not support ethnic injustice; I believe in self-determination for all nations. I will not defend Apartheid as such, but that doesn't not mean that Mandela was not a terrorist, nor does it mean that the new order is any better than the old government. I hope the implication of what you are saying isn't intended to be that Apartheid was a genocide, because that is simply not true. It was always a system of segregation, never of eradication.
uzziah120000 10 months ago
@uzziah120000
As long as we both AGREE, "NO SUPPORT FOR ETHNIC INJUSTICE", we are coming to the point.
Just like you, MILLIONS of people in South Africa & all over the world HATED & FOUGHT against Apartheid.
You may NOT agree with the mechanism & some FREEDOM FIGHTERS may have committed crimes against INNOCENT CIVILIANS, you just can NOT DISMISS the MAIN-OBJECTIVE of Mandela's struggle against Apartheid.
After all, ONE MAN'S LIBERATION FIGHTER IS ANOTHER MAN'S TERRORIST.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash All I know is, racism against whites is still racism. And the ANC kind of killed white people as if it was a fair revenge for the oppression of black people in apartheid. An eye for an eye doesn't work anymore.
Lrapsody27 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash I agree with most of what you have said. I must however clarify these few things. Freedom fighters do what the Boere did against the British. Not what the ANC did against their fellow South Africans; white and black. If you fight for freedom, you are a freedom fighter. If you intentionally kill innocents, you are a terrorist. I am all for freedom and self-determination. True freedom fighters are heroes.
uzziah120000 10 months ago
YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
1. "racism against whites is still racism".
2. " Freedom fighters do what the Boere did against the British. Not what the ANC did against their fellow South Africans; white and black".
3. "eye for an eye", NEVER WORKED ANY WHERE.
4. "If you fight for freedom, you are a freedom fighter. If you intentionally kill innocents, you are a terrorist".
Sure, Freedom fighters should NOT be common criminals, though REPRESSED PEOPLE boiling in DESPAIR CAN MISS DIRECTION.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
Good. Then we finally agree.
uzziah120000 10 months ago
@uzziah120000
Remember,,, There's ALWAYS at least two sides to a story.
And our difficulty has been MY WAY or NO WAY,,, accusations & counter-accusations.
But, when we hear each other out,,, We will ALWAYS come to agreement.
After all, our fate & destiny is bounded to be one & the same,,, the well-being good of decent people.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
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@BahreNeGash. "It was easy to capture and enslave the " Nègro Asino ". The woman from Asmaraino seemed excited by the beauty of the Italian men and would stalk us. Out of all the woman in Italiano Africano (Libya, Eritrea and Somalia) I must admit that the woman from Eritrea were overly sexual and willing to try new things."
Benito Mussolini
December 14, 1937
Worku62 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash BY YOUR DEFINITION THE OLD SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT WAS A TERRORIST STATE THEN ::THEY SURELY KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE:
dramatish 7 months ago
@dramatish
It ain't about my personal definition of the Old South African government.
It's about the history of South Africa,,, Few Dutch marauding mercenaries, who claim to have left Europe because of "religious prosecution", exterminating the Native Africans for FOUR CENTURIES, occupy & loot their land & tormenting the natives to keep them away from their own ancestral property. just like the English criminals sent to Australia exterminated the Aborigines & took over their lands, since 1700.
BahreNeGash 7 months ago
@BahreNeGash okay we are on the same page then
dramatish 7 months ago
@uzziah120000 When Apartheid police shot and killed unarmed demostrators was that terrorism or not? Umkonto we Sizwe millitary strategy was making a country ungovernable by specifically targeting infrastructure and economic installations. In any war situation civilian casulaties are inevitable. That came after your racist grandfathers and mothers
intrepeco 10 months ago
@intrepeco And again. Your living in a country which is a symbol of racial oppression (as this is the reason for the existence of Belgium as one country), seems to me to invalidate your whole foolish attempt to get involved and tell us what we should think of our own history; go take the plank out of your own eye and Free the Vlaamse, then maybe I will be prepared to listen seriously to your racist kak.
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Wallonia was industrial at one point; Now its Vlaamse's turn. Despite their differences their democratic process and rule of law avails and they dont just assassinate others in the name of national security (do you see what you support 20 yrs old?) They have agreed to disagree democratically, even had a referendum on separation; your grannies would have chosen death over it! U are off point here; If only you chose democracy over bigotry and racism! dont be bitter self made losers!
intrepeco 9 months ago
@intrepeco With regards to Flanders and Wallonia: See this is where we differ; you think it is ok for a racial majority of one group to dominate another; as long as they are included in the democratic process. I detest this aggressive democratic imperialism. Each people should have home rule; let Flanders govern itself again. Let the Zulu, the Xhosa, the Afrikaners, the Coloureds, the Swazi, the Ndebele, the Tswana, the Sotho, the Tsonga, the Venda and the Ndebele peoples do so themselves too.
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Democracy matters to me as it gives Belgians an opportunity to design ways to co exist. Your folks refused it in SA and lost! You are 20yrs old and regurgitate self centeredness and bigotry. I dont think you guys will ever rule that country again with this kind of attitude. If the separation is to be implemented; SA will have to revisit her tribal boundaries before the arrival of the Europens and reallocate land accordingly;
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 since naturally when land availability is reduced (in this case was stolen by you and your folks) for what ever reason from its original owners then sharing policies are practical. If your suggestion is to have Tongas, Zulus and others have their own lands I dont think you and your folks have any land to create your state in as all the claimed land by your folks was robbed from natives. BYE BYE BOERS SEE U IN AMSTERDAM or PARIS!
intrepeco 9 months ago
@intrepeco yo dude can I just ask you where you got your facts from? we didnt steal anything. We BOUGHT our land when we got there. Go find out about Piet Retief and the Zulus. And do you know what happened after our side of the bargain (a certain amount of livestock, etc) was brought to Dingane the leading party was murdered in an attempt to keep both the land and our possessions. Following that was quite a few battles where the Zulus tried to eradicate is. Think before you talk more crap...
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@uzziah120000 (coz you are only 20 yo!) refused peacefull negotiations. Sounds like they wanted chaos to rationalize and achieve ERADICATION which already occurred on political activitists disappearances and random killings but you are stupidly defending something you dont know. ANC didnt shoot at columns of white pple Or kill political activists under their custody eg Steve Biko et al; Mandela didnt order civilian massacre but Nationalist leaders did.
intrepeco 10 months ago
@intrepeco The old government did not kill INOCENTS, only communists (whom you choose to call political activists); and yes the old government had them assasinated and brainwashed, but that is because it was a matter of national security. I won't apologise for my peoples refusal to negotiate with terrorists. They failed at making the country ungovernable, and only left their own people with a legacy of violence. Old FW sold the country out to these same terrorists.
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 I quote "..assassinated and brainwashed.. matter of national security". You dont have to apologize. They already have your asses.. If the country was still governable why arent the Nationalist NAZIs still there plundering, abducting, raping, assassinating, torturing in the name of Apartheid (you national) security? So SA was still governable and FW was just tired to rule? You are pathetic, disillusioned 20 yrs old and are surely disgusting.
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Sharpeville and Soweto werent those normal pple just like you who had grievances caused by Apartheid?
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Those were the terrorists and not Mandela. Whatever your response to the first question is would you tell us a way ANC and other resistant groups could have used to pull down Apartheid under those circumstances..?
intrepeco 10 months ago
@intrepeco It seems you see discrimination favourably; and in response to your ageism (thinking that a man of twenty has less say than one in his 40s) let me too make an ad hominem criticism of your person. You are from/live in Belgium; yet you presume to know more about a situation regarding my home country.... My views are based both on personal accounts of the events and on historical records; whereas yours are based on media bias, I wonder which is the better historical method....
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Say what you want.. but your system got busted and when that happens one feels pricked.. NO LONGER ENTITLED ON COLOR basis; dont worry you will get over it. by the way I am an African from one of the Front States of Liberation of Southern Africa..
intrepeco 9 months ago
@intrepeco Despite the murder rate dropping by a few thousand a year in the last couple of years it is still higher than it was in the early ninties under the old order; rape and sexual abuse are still at an all time high. The ANC are responsible for these trends. Now you accuse me and my parents and my grandparents of plundering, abducting and raping; and you think my bitterness is based on my being a disgusting person? So you advocate rape and murder and would not be dissilusioned by them?
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Correction; Blacks lived in bantustans and black townships; had to show IDs (passes) to visit towns and cities where whites lived. It is only natural that crime in bantustans and black township werent reported; a white reporter report about a mugged resident of Soweto, Sophiatown or Gugulethu? Could a black reporter report on white crime freely then? or whites report crimes by other whites in a country where whites are supposed to be flawless? .
intrepeco 9 months ago
@intrepeco I just find it funny that you think you have an opinion bro. If we had never cum the ENTIRE population would probably have died from AIDS by now. they wouldve lived in their huts without the luxuries that any man deserves. We came, bought and fought for our little piece of country in the midst of it all and flourished. They wanted our luxuries, we wanted our "country" to stay beautiful. Thus passports. Yes it was discriminating in colour. But dont you need a passport to visit France?
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48 Well I dont have an opinion I agree. But that we would have been dead of AIDS is quite a strong one on the Stupid side! GO read more about AIDS and other diseases like syphilis and when they were introduced and by who to not only in Africa but even in North America, Australia (Refer Australian Prime Minister's Apology to the Aborigines). I respect pple with such courage not those on denial like you. Well France is in Europe.
intrepeco 2 months ago
@intrepeco I do apologize. Reading some of these ignorant comments just made me a bit angry. My point was that they would have none of the medical, scientifical, technological, etc things that you enjoy every day.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
No African cries for land rights in France the way you do in Africa. Your grandpas who "supposedly" Bought part of South Africa, were on a smart side, they 'd 've thought of using deception and contracts with illiterate chiefs which happened all over Africa. I am sure you'd have run to court if a MAfia wise guy signed your illerate grand pa who couldnt even read and took the family farm or wouldnt you? .
intrepeco 2 months ago
If you wouldnt then it would serve as a confirmation the stupid side is ur family's endowment to live with.
I dont think you have an opinion. and I dont waste my time with BITTER LOSERS! bye
intrepeco 2 months ago
@uzziah120000 today's SA press is free and covers national wide. Besides, it takes a cell phone to report even on CNN! Try and compare crime in US and that of SA as we speak! A person isnt safe walking in New York or London today as much as they unsafe in SA. And those countries had longer than SA to remediate social imbalances and combat crime. ANC gvt has had only 16 years to address; Face the truth and try to resolve issues rather than sinking deeper into bigotry
intrepeco 9 months ago
@intrepeco And let us not forget the Koi-San (however small their current populations; due to having been crushed by the Bantu in the North and the East and by the Dutch and later the Germans in the South and the West); the only true natives of Southern Africa.
uzziah120000 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 My understanding of how Africans lived before the arrival of Europeans is tribes complemented each other depending on their economic activities in their batter trade. hunters and gatherers exchanged honey, traditional medicines with other tribes and within the Maasai culture the hunters and gatherers served as circumcision surgeons in order to avert sabotage. farming tribes exchanged grains for meat, milk or animal hides;
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 and so did the fishing tribes, pottery tribes, or metal working tribes that made spears and arrows. they co existed and had peaceful traditional resolution methods in times of conflict. Sans had a role as hunters and gatherers. Europens had population plans that were supposed to see natives of occupied lands outnumbers by colonialists (British, Boers and Germans). To add to that - genocide through shooting and even administration of small pox;
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 (same method used in North America and Australia against the native Indians/Aborigines) plummetted Sans numbers and lands were grabbed - Genesis of Zimbawe crisis as it is today. Google-NAmibia genocide 1904 and Trekboers and Khoesan. Try to research and learn and stop witch hunting. Destruction of cultural balance that existed before and refusal of whites to integrae blacks and other non whites.
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 (Racism) into the new market economy they introduced is one of the reasons there is a lot of confusion today not only in SA
intrepeco 9 months ago
@uzziah120000 Talk of desparation to sound politically correct .. But dont know how. Where were you when pple of South Africa were being destroyed in any way possible to judge those who put their lives in harms way?
What makes people OCCUPY CITIES today and there isnt Apartheid? You are a cheap racist and you will die one. Piece of Shit.
intrepeco 2 months ago
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@uzziah 120000
I'm NOT talking about Eritrea.
I'm talking about ETHNIC-INJUSTICE.
AND YES,,, YOU ARE RIGHT,,,, 500 years of Ottoman Turkish genocidal empire has far more worst ETHNC GENOCIDES than South African Apartheid.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
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@uzziah 120000
I'm NOT talking about Eritrea.
I'm talking about ETHNIC-INJUSTICE.
AND YES,,, YOU ARE RIGHT,,,, 500 years of Ottoman Turkish genocidal empire has far more worst ETHNC GENOCIDES than South African Apartheid.
BahreNeGash 10 months ago
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@BahreNeGash What on earth does Eritrea have to do with any of this?
And I was addressing the Turk with the Greek comment, as he has such a brilliantly utopian revisionist version of history. His people are just as violent as the ANC were, more in fact. Armenian Genocide ring any bells, how about unprovoked invasion of Cyprus? I wonder what he would say about those outstanding actions....
uzziah120000 10 months ago
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
George Washington fighting the English colonialist was hunted down by the English as a terrorist, just like Nelson Mandela & the ANC.
Therefore, as the wise King Solomon pointed out,,,
"Nothing new under the sun".
BahreNeGash 11 months ago
The Anc did something called necklacing. The "apartheid government" killed 518 but 20482 were killed by the so called "freedom fighters" most killings were black on black but the press never told anybody about that. The agola border war of South africa black and white faught side by side for there country and that was in the "apartheid" times. Do your self a favour just ask the question on google, Mandela freedom fighter or terorist?, and you will get your answer.
MrKurt1983 11 months ago
If by least violent you mean destroyed public and private property, killed people and orchestrated bombings, then yes, the ANC aren't violent, tool.
ComedyRoundTheCorner 11 months ago
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he said that the ANC overthrew the old SA government without any bloodshed- WTF! He obviously hasn't stayed in SA before.
easyfreedom 11 months ago
this Guy is a wanker a YANKIE WANKER ive had emails from him before and he is a tool!!! talks out his ass and thinks the world loves that kaffir mandela but in fact majority know what he realy is!!!! TERRORIST an OLD ONE!!!!! wake up yankie doodle its 2011 not 1211
d0nc42 1 year ago
@d0nc42 Bro that might be true and Mandela was a terrorist...but he is still a leader who integrated the country without reversing the regime. No need to call him demeaning names....
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48 Integrated is code word for whites to maintain the land resources and power from their invasion theft and murder of indigenous African and other indigenous people across this planet the past 600yrs. The white man goal which history shows is to have and maintain power over the planet by any means and at any cost.
arronnov 2 months ago
dude youve got no idea wot the fuck u talking about...i stay in SA... u must do a little research ffs... the ANC killed THOUZENS of people 90 percent of the killing was black on black,ANC vs IFP!!! ps mandela was labeled a terrorist coz he planed a bomings and killed inoccent people
Stazabear 1 year ago
HE WAS A TERRORIST , HE PLANNED BOMBINGS
uafchris 1 year ago
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Mandela is a racist piece of shit. He is a terrorist.
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infox1000 1 year ago
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. The ANC was put on the terrorist list because they were terrorising fellow South African citizens. Just Google Mandela Bombings. First hit: BBC: 1983: Car bomb in South Africa kills 16. "With no blood shed" Is this guy being serious? They did what they had to do, sure. But tell it like it is man... they weren't saints.
MartiensB 1 year ago 12
@MartiensB
Did you know the English colonialists listed George Washington as "TERRORIST" before succumbing to George Washington, just like the South African Apartheid & the USA succumbed to Nelson Mandela????
Little did you know,,,, ONE MAN'S FREEDOM FIGHTER IS ANOTHER MAN'S TERRORIST.
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
Dude, how embarrassing you should feel, for not having a clue on what your talking about.
I'm a South African and you aren't even close in being right. How embarrassing! Get your facts straight.
bertuswatkins 11 months ago
so who died !Blacks or whites? During 1983 wasn't Mandela in prison,never mind having visitors ,no right to
write a letter.Huh Mandela Bombings!get your facts straight!
0sigak 8 months ago
@MartiensB
0sigak 8 months ago
@MartiensB should no be USA PUT IN ANY NATION TERRORIST LIST?
jesusPradoluengo 6 months ago
@MartiensB then why werent the whole apartheid government on the list ..the were the real terrrorist.....
dramatish 6 months ago
@MartiensB This guy is a typical brainwashed idiot.
DemocracyCountsx 6 months ago
Should'nt radical communists be on terrorist lists?
cobrabeebop 1 year ago
The Zionist sponsored anti-racial hypocrisy is for power over South Africans resources, and for the murder on all christian whites, who have built the wealth of this nation. Great Britain you are a thief, and a murderer. It was the British who put the white Boer women and children into concentration camps to die. They have put this ex-terrorist puppet Mandela on top of the country, and after his death they plan a massacre.
rooizilver 1 year ago
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ANC are communists sponsored by the British/zionist elite. They plan mass blood bath against the whites in South Africa, because they hate Christians and they hate right wingers. Most and for all they want perpetual control of the gold and diamond reserves of South Africa. Don't believe any of the zionist propaganda books,tv shows, Peace Prize awards,love-understanding-anti-racism hypocrisy because it is not about that at all.
rooizilver 1 year ago
WHITE POWER FROM ME AND MINE!!!! WHITE POWER!!! FUCK YOUR RACES, MAY THEY BURN IN A GLORIOUS BLAZE OF WHITE FIRE, KILLING ALL YOUR WORTHLESS FEMALE BREEDERS AND YOUR FURTURE CRIMINAL CHILDREN...BURN THEM ALL.
BlindSniperSurvival 1 year ago
They belong on the terrorist list.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
death to africans, death to nelson mandela...
white power
HeliBoy16 1 year ago
@HeliBoy16
IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP,,, The days of any place on earth, falling victim to European invaders AGAIN, is long gone.
Too bad, your dreams turned to a nightmare.
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
@BahreNeGash stay away from Europe... there is no room for you and your black monkeys in Europe.... have you understood?? KKK
Sieg Heil.... God bless the White Race....
HeliBoy16 1 year ago
@HeliBoy16
Sure, "God bless the White Race".
I've no problem with "White Race Being Blessesd". Good for White people.
THE SAME GOD BLESSINGS APPLIES TO EVERY HUMAN CREED IN THIS PLANET.
Too bad, you don't worship the same God, just like ALL human races do.
FYI: Africans are NOT interested in FREEZING Europe.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EUROPE, but if Europe was any place to live, millions of Europeans would NOT have perished, looking for a better place to live, away from Europe.
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
@BahreNeGash the white race was created, with the purpose to rule the World.... blacks aren't worth of living.... the world belongs to us, to the Europeans... we are much richer than you are.... believe me, your women are coming to Europe, so they could work as the prostitutes in Europe, and take our money away... it has been enough of that. that time has come to tell you STOP. what language do you speak?? English?? as far as I know English came from Europe... your language is monkey language..
HeliBoy16 1 year ago
@BahreNeGash without European help, you would die of hunger.... so be at least a bit thankful to the europeans, because without us, you wouldn't know anything about science, maths, physics, sports,.... death to blacks.... do you know what had Spaniards done, before their fall?? they slaughtered 95% of indian trash in south africa, and they brought them the normal laguage.... wait for a few decades, we will exterminate your children....
HeliBoy16 1 year ago
@HeliBoy16
Did you ask me,,, "do you know what had Spaniards done, before their fall??"
And then you say "the Spaniards slaughtered 95% of indian trash in south africa".
WOW, THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SPANIARDS, INDIANS & AFRICANS?,,,, Sorry to inform you,,,
1. The Spaniards NEVER dared to step in Africa.
2. Besides IMMIGRANTS like Whiteman, there are no Indians in South Africa.
3. Your God is European & White??? GOOD FOR YOU.
As for Africa & Africans, THE ALMIGHTY GOD !!!
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
@HeliBoy16
Did you say,,,"wait for a few decades, we will exterminate your children,,,".
THE SAME OLD BLUBBER!!!!
Last time you dared, the price was too high to stay sticking around Africa, fled back to your cold-cage "Europe".
BLUBBER AS MUCH AS YOU WANT,,,, I dare you try!!!!
WELCOME TO AFRICA!!!!
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
@BahreNeGash if there is a God, he must be an European and white...
HeliBoy16 1 year ago
@HeliBoy16
I don't debate about GOD or GODs.
I know you don't have the power of mindset to know the colors of God.
Threfore, You are just blubbering to make yourself FEEL bettter.
MERRY Christmas!!!!
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
Ask the white South Afrikaner farmers who are being slaughtered by the peaceful and loving sub-human scum if they are terrorists or not you imbecile!
daryLwhorener 1 year ago
you are afreakin idiot, ya know that, or maybe youd like to see up close what is happening to white farmers in South Africa, you dis-informatists crack me up, does anyone believe your bullshit anymore?
germaniajim 1 year ago
Since when did fighting against colonialists, displacing, exterminating & looting your people became TERRORISM?
The first US president George Washington fought against English colonialists to liberate America? DOES THAT MAKE GEORE WASHINGTON A "TERRORIST"?
HELL NO,,, It made him a national hero.
For BILLIONS of people around the world, MANDELLA is a hero.
Those who lost the war against Mandella are still having hard time swallowing their sour-grape
WELCOME TO BITTER REALITY, DEFEAT!!!
BahreNeGash 1 year ago
@BahreNeGash mandella changed while he was in jail but he was in there for a reason. The Anc killed just over 20000 blacks in the prosses of liberating the country wich he was a leader of he was walking hand in hand with the russian comunists who was also on the terrorist list. Look at your facts and research your history before you talk about sour grapes.
MrKurt1983 11 months ago
@MrKurt1983
I hope you ain't covering up for the 300yrs of crimes of apartheid? Are you?
BahreNeGash 11 months ago
@BahreNeGash You ignorant racist. 300 hundred years; don't you mean a few decades? And what crimes? Our ancestors weren't the ones bombing trains, neither are the daily rapes and murders which take place in the new South Africa perpetrated by our people. Go read some history, maybe actually go to South Africa before you talk bullsh*t about things you don't know about.
uzziah120000 10 months ago
@BahreNeGash Wasnt George Washington a European? You cant compare two groups of Europeans fighting for control to the ANC trying to take what the whiteman made, brought and built.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
1. The Boers did NOT came to Africa to build Africa.
The Boers came to AFRICA to escape European misery.
Exterminating & displacing NATIVE Africans is NOT building Africa.
2. NO, GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS NOT EUROPEAN.
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS AN AMERICAN.
Therefore, just like the IRISH, SCOTS, WALES,,, fought ENGLISH OCCUPATION, George Washington was an American who fought for the freedom of his people & his homeland, just like Nelson Mandela & ANC fought for their people & for their homeland.
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
@BahreNeGash I agree up to misery. Now tell me how buying land from a group of people becomes exterminating? Thus you are saying George Washington had more right to fight for America than the native americans, which they massacred? But all that aside, how can you call it fighting for your homeland when jealousy of others' homeland drives you to try and take it. I will not say Afrikaners were without sin. We did do wrong things as did every single other culture. But thats over now.
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48
I'm VERY pleased, you finally get to see the light of the day & realize,,, "sharing cultures of other people is the most interesting you could ever do".
I'm very HAPPY for your ENLIGHTENMENT & I only wish you ALL the best.
I ONLY hope that you can see & ask yourself WHY, "There are still some bitter people" around"?
HAVE YOU TRIED TO LIVE IN THEIR SHOES?
Btw: Life is NOT about race or South Africa.
LIFE IS ABOUT JUSTICE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I hope, you will come to understand.
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
@SplInT3r48 Its not over now. Africa is for indigenous Africans. Whites have more specifically white men have gone all over this planet stealing killing and murdering to gain and maintain power. When people fight back they will be labelled as terrorist by whites. What a fucking joke.
arronnov 2 months ago
@BahreNeGash George Washington was just like the European white Boers. He was a invader who declared war on everything native American which quickly included enslaved Africans. The goal behind this was land power and wealth.
arronnov 2 months ago
@arronnov
Sure,,,, But George Washington & the SA Boers fought against the English monarchy.
Therefore for English empire, George washignton & the SA Boers are as "Terrorists", as Nelson Mandela is for the SA Boers.
After all,,, One man's feedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
ISN'T IT?
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
@BahreNeGash You have to look at European history. They where always fighting among themselves. The Boers and George Washington make no mistake about where about white supremacy which means they where apart of western white civilization. The French and English fought for a 100 yrs yet they are still allies. Germany as said to be the reason for the starts of WW1 and WW2 yet they are still allies with the rest of western white civilization.
arronnov 2 months ago
Race, Religion or Politics has NOTHING to do with 5000yrs of European mutual EXTERMINATIONS.
After all, Europe being TINY, OVERPOPULATED & FROZEN RESOURCESLESS LAND, it's ONLY natural for Europeans to EXTERMINATE each-other for the very limited resources Europe can provide to the EVER FREEZING, COLD & DESTITUTE EUROPEANS.
The same applies for the Boers, French, Germans, English, Polish, Gypsies, Russians or George Washington,,, switching FRIENDS & FOES is ALL ABOUT DESPERATE SURVIVAL.
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
@BahreNeGash Well the original man is waking up. I training me son every day. The black man will return to power and set balance on the planet.
arronnov 2 months ago
@arronnov
SOUTH AFRICANS getting back their homeland after 400yrs of disparagement & displacement from their own homeland is THE CROWNING OF BLACK MAN, the European scavengers NEVER thought would EVER happen under their nose, in their life time.
The day of INNOCENCE, welcoming the very SCAVENGERS that would BLEED black-man to extinction ARE over.
WELCOMING HOME YOUR MORTAL ENEMIES AIN'T GOING TO BE SIMPLE HUMILITY ANY MORE.
BahreNeGash 2 months ago
Wow! I hope my cat "fluffy" is not on the list.
MrThetruthsucks 1 year ago
Most peaceful people on the planet? Have they seen what kind of people the ANC members turned out to be? Over 50 people get killed each day and over 3000 farmers have been killed since 94. The whole world is so uneducated about SA and they still have this image of poor black people and freedom this and freedom that. Things changed in SA, no one is oppressed, we all are now just prisoners in our own country, hoping that you and the ones you love won't be killed in the "new" South Africa!
Jtrdx1201 1 year ago 12
Did you honestly think everybody was for peace in SA like Mandela.A lot of black people lost their loved ones,had no opportunity to education and basic rights,For many it's pay back time with no remorse.These
are the consequences of apartheid.It will be decades before till the oppression is totally forgotten and the whites are not exactly helping with reconciling either
0sigak 8 months ago
ANC was and is communists?
Rico8458 1 year ago
@Nasdaq7 Buddy, 100 000 hand granades is a lie, google over exaggerated. Most of the ammunition they were "caught" with was planted, remember that the apartheid regime had censorship on the media and the media mainly propagandised whatever the government said, plus my gran father was part of the militant wing 'Umkhonto Wesizwe'
Kwazi03 1 year ago
@Kwazi03 oh goodness. another one. I am so tired of educating you lot. Where will I get the energy to keep on typing.
DaleSparrow 1 year ago
US government is so ignorant, I guess the only reason why they are allies with our country is to use us for their own personal gain. Oh and correction, there was blood shed that happened in South Africa, I guess you only take notice when white people die, and not african
Kwazi03 1 year ago
such abitch ass
Osma8 1 year ago
they were not the least violent
thecolorfuldevil 1 year ago
I dont know where fat turk gets info? I can say its funny that people think white SA are racist????
I can gurantee you that in the USA if 70% of black people started an ANC and car bombs went off, school buses of white kids were blowin up with anti tank mines, and two black guys went into a church and shot whites praying....? This country would be on fire top to bottom! Whole sell slaughter.
Beeba1 1 year ago
@Beeba1 Nahhh that would be too much of a cliche...
The africaans have already done ALL that!
Not once but every day for over 50 fucking years! So yeas they were racists and probably still are!
What's you beef with those facts?
It makes them look bad?
Stop the inbreeding than, that might give you folks a more healty look and the ability to think strait.
Kibbeg 1 year ago
@Kibbeg You bloody racist fucking basterd...Get your facts straight and find a brain. EVERYBODY is racist, which includes the worldpopulation. Some people just use all their might to fight being racist. And btw trust me ive met atleast 3 times as many black racists as to white racists and I dont live among too many blacks. So shut the fuck up and take the fucking tree out of your eye before you point at the splinter in ours
SplInT3r48 2 months ago
that gives you an idea of you everyday brainwashing. thank you once more cenk, for this illuminating insight.
gatskillz 1 year ago
Some people have to understand,they don't bomb for nothing - they wouldn't place a carbomb if there were other ways to achieve their goal,you know,everything can't be done by peaceful means.
Take Gandhi for example; "if you don't have it in you to be truly non-violent you better hit back and hit back hard,don't use non-violence as an excuse for being a coward"
HPassiveResistance 1 year ago
Yes, Mandela is an amazing man... and I respect him greatly! But if you're actually gonna come here and comment on the history of a country you know NEXT TO NOTHING about, atleast go and read up on it! Took me all of 5minutes to find it on wikipedia.
jogrobler 1 year ago
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!! I am a South African.. and I am proud of my heritage! I am proud to say that Nelson Mandela HELPED lead us to a democracy, but by no means did he achieve that goal without bloodshed!! And America never was on the side of the Apartheid government, since the Americans sanctioned us politically up to the point where the country was strangeled of crucial resources and had to deal through the black market.
jogrobler 1 year ago
Secondly: "The Church Street bombing was a car bomb attack on 20 May 1983 by Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress, in the South African capital Pretoria. The bombing killed 19 and wounded more than 200 (including civilians), and was one of the largest attacks engaged in by the ANC during its armed struggle against apartheid."
jogrobler 1 year ago
First off: "Terrorism: The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives."
jogrobler 1 year ago
It doesn't help Mandela that he associates with anti-American scum like Fidel Castro(brutal communist tyrant) and Moammar Gaddafi (crazy Islamic tyrant), and considers these two his "brothers", and exalts them as paragons of freedom and democracy!
hatmap 1 year ago
Nelson Mandela is a terrorist. Google for videos of him singing songs about killing whites.
The Young Turks are also terrorists. They were the Muslims and Jews that killed my grandmother's family.
Fcuk Nelson Mandela and fcuk Young Turks.
ChrisDetroit 1 year ago
@ChrisDetroit the reason nelson mandela is on the terrorist list is because he was an anti-apartheid leader, he was accused of sabotage and sentenced to prison for life, but was released after 27 years. in south africa, blacks, colored people and indians were subject to "legal racial segregation" or apartheid. he was standing up for whats right. the us is just fucking retarded. the us should be on its own terrorist list.. we are terrorists for invading the wrong country for fake reasons. learn.
M15CY 1 year ago
who is this idiot on this news programme! what a twit! you dumb ass american idiot!!!
do you know what he did? maybe we should make osama bin laden a hero and say that 9/11 was just a joke!! no blood shed you are al kind of messed up man just proves you americans are all thick as shit!
d0nc42 1 year ago
@d0nc42 your such an idiot man!!! are you for real or is this just a joke ? do you get paid mate? cause your a shit Journalist!!!! dont have a CLUE bout SOUTH AFRICA!!!
mate your founding fathers were good no problem! it was war right? so mandela was called a terrorist, we fought him its war man! cold war against commies remember vietnam,korea Afghanistan 1980, South africa 1966-1989, see the cycle!! communism mate swithc on you Dork and read a book!
d0nc42 1 year ago
That turk loves blacks, becuse the formare Ancient Semites were much white:er back in time, and then they brought in black slaves and started to breed with them, so arabs today are "mulatos" of part negro and part Semite.
that's why this man has curly black hair, Ancient Semites had darkbrown and light light skin.
so he is part negro, that's why he defends them so much and talks so much shit that has no logic what so ever
jultomtemor 1 year ago
"so he is part negro, that's why he defends them so much and talks so much shit that has no logic what so ever"
@jultomtemor What has he said (past or present) that is illogical?
One last question: If you were born into the body of Nelson Mandela, what would you have done differently?
Your answer will speak volumes about your character and maturity, so you may want to take a moment to ponder.
-b- KCMO
b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
he did order the ANC to blow up as many white women and children in Church Street... get ur facts u didnt grow up here u cunt!
cha0z4o0 1 year ago
"blow up as many white women and children in Church Street."
@cha0z4o0 Show me that fact, hmm YOU CAN'T
You maybe getting your info from pro-apartheid separatists.
I'm sick of people acting like they would have been like Christ himself if they where in the shoes of Mandela. History show he wasn't Jesus, but he did try his hardest to stop the ANC from fractioning into militant organizations (after police brutality) he knew he had to be like MLK and Gandhi (his heroes) but it was very hard.
b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
@b1aflatoxin hey idiot stop watching power of one and all that political crap as well as invictus were you from some politically correct country? and if your from SA well then my man i feel sorry for you cause you never got the memo MANDELA TERRORIST KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN SECURITY FORCES!!!! sinking in!!! GENOCIDE NOT FRREDOM FIGHT WAKE UP!!!!!
d0nc42 1 year ago
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b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
@d0nc42 I'M WIDE AWAKE dude! Genocide? Your NUTZ!!
In America we have a quote, I'm sure you've heard it. "One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."
In Burma, the military Junta have a nasty strangle hold on the Burmese people.
THEY NEED A MANDELA.
In North Korea Kim Jong-il has his murderous foot on his countrymen.
THEY TOO, NEED A MANDELA FIGURE.
With your flawed logic, you would condemn my country's founding fathers as traitors of the British king and trash talk them too! WTF
b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
@b1aflatoxin hey yankee doodle! you had slaves in the white house in the 60s SA never had slaves! switch on mate your pissing people off by talking about stuff you know nothing about come live in SA! big talker in the USA but really is just a child playing big boys games! my man mandela is not what CNN says he is or fox news
wake up your pathetic!
d0nc42 1 year ago
@cha0z4o0 Church street bombing was a sick and futile act,
BUT LADY'S AND KIDS WERE NOT THE TARGET.
Just like the bombers didn't intend to blow themselves up.
They when bombing military target if us Americans have got our facts straight.
The bombers probably drove past several "white" schools on the way to their stupid attack site.
It does your country NO GOOD to lie about history. WHY?? Because the cowardly bombing was bad enough. DON'T ADD LIES, because some sap might believe them.
b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
kill the whites ,this is thier pledge. You're almost white so maybe they won't kill you. What an idiot.
followthemoney100 1 year ago
The ANC are terrorist's. Nelson Mandela tried to bomb a railway station, that's why he was sent to Robin island and is considered a terrorist by many people. Robin island did him allot of good to in terms of his education.
And the white government was never "overthrown" their was a referendum in which, 63% of the White's voted to allow blacks the right to vote.Then Mandela was elected.....
TheMindFarter 1 year ago
@TheMindFarter Who killed more? Who was the oppressor for generations?
What side will history be on?
South Africa is a mess now, but that is because it usually takes 150 years for the scales of conquest and infighting to level out, into a more harmonious existence. (Like the USA, Canada, Cuba, U.K. etc. etc.)
Apartheid ended for a good reason.
It took a lot of lives, and the reverberations of apartheid will hurt all Z.A. people for a very, very long time.
Love is a light in the darkness.
b1aflatoxin 1 year ago
@b1aflatoxin
If ignorance is bliss. You must be in nirvana...
I cant be bothered debating you. It would be a waste of my time. I'm sure some one else will set you straight...
TheMindFarter