Would it have helped if the driver had uncoupled a few wagons, take them over the summit and put them in a siding, then bring the rest, put the train back together and went on his way? These may be old locomotives, but they sure have lots of life left.
@BXM4C Dividing and leaving some behind is not permitted under our rules. Economic rationalists have seen to the destruction of most sidings. There is a passing loop just a few km's ahead but as I said the rules don't allow for it. The fact is that had the bonehead that turned one of the locomotives off line remembered to restore it they wouldn't have had a problem.
Seen a similar loco to the one leading up close (or the same model), these things are huge, and can really take a beating. Nice quality Rod. thanks for uploading.
if you flogged a dog or a horse like that, the RSPCA would have you over a barrel. If they keep that behavior up, their next trip will be to Sims metal in Brooklyn.
@glennofootscray neither you nor the clown below have any idea of how tough these things are and how well designed they were with a view to every single part of them being able to be replaced.
Thats what happens when museums who have been "gifted" with rollingstock by the government for historical use, rent it out to be abused by all and sundry. The SHRC should be ashamed of themselves
@johnnyfarnham Get a grip. There's nothing there that can't be fixed and the cash coming in is paying for other important restoration work. In addition to the hire costs there are mileage charges designed to cover repairs and maintenance.
@Rocketboy1950 Thats all well and good but SHRC aren't, or don't seem to be spending money on renovation, repair, maintenaince. In fact the whole reason for for their existence has gone from operating a museum and railfan type trips to wholly being a locomotive supplier to the highest bidder. You can only flog old equipment so long before it can no longer be "fixed" as you put it. Let me guess, your an el zorro driver
@Rocketboy1950 Well, for a retired driver your not too smart. They have original frames and the frames suffer from stress as was found out when the B to A class was underway. I dont believe they have new motors nor generators, the bogie assemblies are original as clyde no longer make them. I just knew were a driver the way you come over all defensive. The A class that have been upgraded and refurbished are still old and cant be flogged. Good your on a pension no longer thrashing old locos
@johnnyfarnham Locos have been flogged from day 1. You seem to overlook that I drove these things for many years. We used to pull full loads with all of them and crawl along at 10km/h for hour after hour. We occasionally stalled, slipped wheels, burnt motors and had generators flash over. They put rods out the side, blew off air box covers and had crankcase explosions. I was directly involved in the A/P rebuilds and did a lot of the testing. You only think you know about them, now fuck off !
@johnnyfarnham Im pretty sure, If he had the chance, he him self would flog the fuck outta you. You mostlikely know nothing about these locos. Rocketboy1950 as he stated is an ex loco driver, what are you? Care to explain? Please it may lighten up my day so far.
That is some of the best recording of EMD's busting there nuts, that I have ever heard! Thanx! Hard to believe with all that power, they couldn't top it off!
@rhondaw1 Same as they did before they were on hire, use them a lot less to run fan specials. I suspect that there might still be a fair bit of work on offer for the old things.
Last night they... ELZ ...had a 'G' class in the lead, plus X31 and I think ? a 'B' or 'S' and had no trouble making it up the grade. I was surprised how quick they were going until I realised.
What a struggle......and what a sound!! There's nothing like an EMD V16 567B engine at fever pitch!! I pity the crew though. They must have been hours late.
To try to understand the decisions that were made by the crew and/or train control could you give us 1) an idea how far the train was from the top of the grade before stalling the first time? I've had a look at Google maps and I can't place where the video was shot from. Was it the end of Farrells Road? 2) given the conditions are there any issues regarding setting back a train downhill on a 1:52 - even such a short way back to Ballarat?
@zelo1954 About 800 metres from the summit. Not far from Farrells Road. The rules allow for a set back with the proper authority. Anything else is subjective and I have my own thoughts on it but best left unsaid.
@neo93220 If all the units had been powering there would be no need. They regularly bring that train up that hill without any issues. Somebody forgot to put one back on line at the crew change over point at the last stop.
I remember years ago then the "jets" used to run up Ingliston bank especially just before Bank Box loop, drizzly day like this one, with a single C class, the fireman placing ballast on the track if front of the loco, saved rolling back down the hill to Bacchus marsh, and got the train moving up into Ballan. From memory the WTT weight limit for a single C over this section of track was 1200 tonnes, so with this train considering the weight and motive power ballast on the track may have worked.
@wezza60 Which is precisely what I was telling him to do. I suggested cutting a couple of units off and running ahead to crush up some stones. Rolling back down to backamearse was a NO NO. In those days it was divide, take some to Bank Box or Ballan and come back for the rest.
When are these preservation group members going to stop leaseing their locomotives to mainline operators when all they do is flog the shit out of them.
@otherranger probably at about the same time you come to terms with the contracts that say they will be maintained and returned as was plus did you ever consider the money that the groups are getting out of it to do other work.
@undertaker19909 I have heard that figure but it depends on the loco. Obviously they pay a lot more for something like an EL than they do for a T. There is also a substantial per km charge.
@Rocketboy1950 Most of these locos come from Seymour Railway Heritage Centre, donated to them by the state government for historic preservation, not for leaseing to private, mainline freight companies. These locos should be used ones ever month of so not flogged to crap everyday heavy freight trains. Just when was the last time SRHC run a tour with one of these engines? Their last tour was run with P class engines hired from Vline. Wonder how much lease income is left after paying for that?
@otherranger They are machines and the money they earn pays for restoration of other locomotives. In addition to the hire there is a fee per km to cover the cost of their upkeep. SRHC as I understand cannot get a train out due to V/Line booking out the lead. The P's were used because of asbestos being discovered in electrical compartments of the older locos. Know your facts before you go off on a rant.
@Rocketboy1950 restoration of what? More Heritage diesel engines that are leased out? that is all I can see coming out of SRHC. Yes the shunt head to the depot is out of service but since these engines are not in the depot I don't see why that is a problem. All that I am saying is these 50+ year old heritage diesel engines should not be used everyday on private freight trains when they where given to SRHC by the government for historic preservation. Leasing 1 or 2 short term is ok, but not this
The best way to pull this up the gradient is the gradually take the trains out of notch 8 as it starts to slow and leave it in notch 5 or six otherwise all that happens is you get a lot of wheel slip which in the end stall the train even with sanding. He clearly has too much throttle
@Rocketboy1950 Oh, heh heh, sorry — Yankspeak; what I mean by "double" is breaking the train somewhere in the middle, pulling half of it up to the nearest siding after the hill, then coming back and getting the rest...it takes longer to do that, but at the rate they're going, even if they had bulled that thing up, I bet it would've been faster...not to mention keeping the traction motors from melting.
@randommagnum That bloody language barrier ! We called that a stall and divide. It is not permitted any more under the nanny state rules. (you might have to Google "nanny state" ) There was a passing loop about a mile away and it would have been easy enough to do however........
@randommagnum Not likely. The only place I have sen it allowed in recent times is out on a little used freight line with no other trains on the line and no danger of a runaway being able to do any damage to anything else.
@Rocketboy1950 We would have the same shit here in the UK. They tie themselves up in so many stupid dam rules, anything out of the ordinary is outa the question so when something does go wrong, they cant get themselves out of it. We then stand around talking about it and blaming people for 5 hours while the lines still blocked LOL.
Until the sand was gone there was not really much wheel slip, but the power of the working 5 engines just wasn't enough to maintain uphill speed.
A great word can be said about the build quality of these 50-60 years olds, being in notch 8 at low speed for at least double the recommended time.
I know that these loco's can take this punishment from when I saw their European sisters still in use in Belgium, where they ran on heavy grades at 50 years of age.
great video & great timing to be in the right place at the right time. NOTE ; WATCH CAREFULLY AS TRAIN COMES UP THE HILL PAST THE RED LIGHTS THERES AN ORANGE GLOW COMING OUTA THE EXHAUSTS. would be a great sight at night.
Sure was a lot of diesel fuel wasted on that attempt, anybody want to guess the comsumption at notch 8 for Lord knows how long it took? Very nice E8 on the point but an Alco PA put in place of the E probably would have gotten the job done. PA's never stalled at creeping speed on uphill grades. Also enjoyed the smoke coming from the traction motors....Anyone want to rewind a bunch of traction motor field coils and armatures?
@JRNipper That "E8" is more like a GP9 with six powered axles. 16 cylinder 567. The smoke is most likely a mix of exhaust being sucked in by the traction motor blowers and sand being used while he still had some. It stalled because one of the units had been left off line.
@Rocketboy1950 Original E8/9 EMD locos have 2, 567 prime movers and a generator that puts out 500 more HP and is much heavier than a GP9. Alco PA'a had better traction motors and lower gear ratios. Did someone remove one of the 567's? When I worked for Canadien Pacific we had an MP15 "unload" in notch 8 so the other one had to pull a long string of loaded grain cars up the hill and the traction motors got so hot they actually smoked, looked like the same thing happened in your video.
@JRNipper 2 X12 cylinder 567's and two generators IIRC. I remember reading an article on rough transition with an ABBA configuration on which the engineer notched up in such a way as to get all 8 transitions happening at the one time causing some terrible coupling slack issues on a long passenger train.
@Rocketboy1950 I can believe that, loading with several units MU'd together is an electrician's nightmare. I recall we had a GP9 still on our roster in 1998 that was modified with a "HI-LO" gen loading switch, in LO it barely moved, in HI the wheels spun off in notch 2. We got new G.E. locos wtih A.C. generators & computer controlled modulation, you can pull nearly anything with one loco, provided it doesn't tear up the rails, which is did with us resulting in a dumming down of the software.
@lorirocks777 Same gauge but the right side is a rebuild good for the imperial ton, 100mph and the other side is basically a freight track limited to 80km/h ( 50mph).
@Rocketboy1950 Ah, so is that why it's "driving" on the right? Here in the UK the trains follow the roads in that a 2 track railway will always have traffic passing on the left.
@leapoffaith20 Like alot of lines in Australia and the US, they are bi-directionaly signalled. You can see the signals in the vid on the opposite road can accomodate trains running the same way. These countrys dont use the terms up or down like us, instead track 1, 2 etc. We (uk) are ineficent in that we dont usualy have this flexibility.
As that train has stalled, the despatcher can now pass a train on the opposite line in the same direction to avoid delay. Try doing that in the UK, No chance!
@lorirocks777 that line aside we have quite a few dual direction tracks so whilst we originally followed British practice it's now not always the case.
i'm surprised they didn't burn down their electric engines. stalling in 8th notch with a couple thousand amps of electricity going through a copper wire - not good :-)
@mercenary454 i've actually been there (nearly). Blew the motor up in my Honda along a very busy highway about a month ago. I had a cell phone, and called my folks for a ride (they lived a ways away). But any way, my brother and i sat there for an hour + before someone finally stopped to see if we needed help.
What a great video! In all the rail action I've watched, I've NEVER seen a train slip to a stand like that! 6 engines in 8th notch, screaming their tits off still, is just so hilarious! I wish I could've been there to see this!!!
@sparton00678 Not from me but in my "other channels" EMD645 will have some from that area. Easy for him as he lives in Bendigo. Very rare to get daylight freight on the Bendigo line as it has few paths available between the passenger trains now that the boneheads have made it a single line beyond Kyneton.
Boy those old 567s sounded great! Truly a sound that is disappearing from railroads these days. I'm no expert, but maybe the train may have had a chance, had the engineer backed the train just enough to bunch up slack then try it again? That's always easier than trying to start a fully stretched train.
@neildaust Locomotives carry sand in boxes just above the wheels. If the wheels slip sand is blasted on to the rails with compressed air to provide a rough surface for a better grip. In this clip you can see the dust being raised early on. Once he runs out of sand its all over. These locos took that train up that hill plenty of times. The problem here was one was not powering and that caused the stall. He fixed the problem but without sand couldn't get it moving again.
@Rocketboy1950 ah Ok, very interesting. Its a wonder he went so hard on the sand before he fixed the problem? At which point in the video was the stall?
@neildaust A stall is when a train powers to a stand as a result of the inability of the power to lift it over a grade or wheelslip becomes uncontrollable. And yes he should have stopped way back further to look for the problem.
In a magizine called Australian Railways illustrated [August 2010 edition] on page 61. There is a photo of S303 [leading]-T341-T357-T320-T378 and B74 at Warrenhelp bank on Tuesday 29th of June 2010. Was this photo taken the same day and the same time of the same train when the you tube video was recored? In other words what date was the video taken?Feel free to take a look at the photo in the Aust, R,I, magazine.
@locomotion60 No, they do this regularly. One of them wasn't powering. Once it stalled and the driver rectified the fault they couldn't lift it without sand. All of the sand had been used. Personally I would have stopped way back down the hill to fault find. It was bleedingly obvious that all was not well very early on.
What an amazing video. Even though this battle was lost, it was " THE BEST HARD PULL " I have seen yet on Youtube.I just wish you had kept filming as they back her down the grade.But, hey, fantastic anyway..I hope you can get more when these events happen. Perhaps the company will consider a mid-train or end train helper up the grade in the future.
@canadiantimberwolf1 It was getting dark and I had 100 miles to get home. And next time the company should consider having all the units actually powering before attempting the grade. I drive for the company now and then, what can I say.
Great Video, this looks like the same one i saw leave from Maryborough, please have a look at my video it was taken from my mobile phone, but it did come up ok i think ..great footage thank you..
Wow. The sound of those 567's giving it everything they've got is absolute music. And that engine is a beauty. I have an idea now of what it would've been like to see 6 Southern F-7's trying to tug a coal train up Saluda or Rio Grande GP-7's climbing Tennessee Pass. Excelent video!
Rocketboy: One of your best I think. Very impressive. The sight and sound of all of those engines being brought up like that brought goose pimples up on my arms and sent a shiver down my spine. I don't mind admitting to a schoolboy thrill at the experience. I used to enjoy watching the Deltics pull out of Kings Cross (London) in the early seventies but that was not quite the same as this. Many thanks.
@pumoill On point one, wrong. They had a failure. On point two, wrong, how in hell is the not qaulified to drive second person responsible. And as for the perway crews, have you driven a train in country Victoria. Actually it's not their fault, the track owners won't spend any money to bring it up to a decent standard.
I might not be a loco driver, but it seems obvious that the battle was lost very early on in the video, shouldn't the driver know this? Rather than rev them into what sounds like 8th notch, and just spin and spin?!?! That'll do the motors real good!
@vrgunzel I saw very little evidence of spinning, a good deal of quick slips which is what ultimately caused the failure to continue at what was far too low a speed. Yes he probably should have stopped to investigate far further back. Sometimes you just hope that they will keep going.
@Rocketboy1950 Wonder when one of those locos will pack in majorly. They're nearly 60 years old for christs sake! Do el zorro drivers get their tickets out of a corn flakes box? The scary answer is proberly yes knowing El Shonko and their ways!
@vrgunzel The only thing original on those locos is the number plates. They are machines that have had every conceivable part replaced over their life spans and will continue to do so until a frame fails. Most of the drivers that I know at El Zorro got their tickets on the VR. Quite a few are qualified in at least two other states. There is a government regulator looking over their shoulder you realise. As to the corn Flakes remark, FUCK YOU I'm one of them.
@Rocketboy1950 Well said Rod, my father was the same, like you he worked hard on the VR to become a very professional & accomplshed driver. and he still likes his Corn Flakes too!!
Well, stalling, then reving the absoutle shite out of engine, and then wondering why it's not moving. Its like trying to un-bog a car by putting your foot the floor! i'm sure the driver trainers at VR would be spinning in their graves if they saw this display of sheer idiocy!
@vrgunzel The prime objective is to clear the section. You don't do that in notch 3. Get back to me when you actually know something about driving a locomotive.
I've been told by a Ballarat fitter that after the train set back to the yard a lot of sandpipes were found to be blocked with wet sand and they worked for two hours clearing and re-filling them. However it seems that the vintage B class even get flogged interstate with high-horsepower locos: have a look at BWDvD's site.
@CGT867 Sand pipes get blocked all the time. The old T's are the worst with the sand boxes mounted on the bogies. The sand gets damp and packed with the vibrations. I saw Bevans clip with the L's.....shot 10 years ago. Nothings changed has it. EMD64e3c has a similar clip shot at Porcupine Hill late last year.
@xpack1004 You need a thick head, the ability to work shit hours, don't mind getting dirty now and then. You need not to give a stuff for a family life cos you won't have one. Either that or try for a job at Metro where you won't get dirty, you will know what time you are knocking off and the hours can be far more amenable to leading a normal life....but still not truly normal in the 9-5 sense. The only compensation is that for little education you can earn great money.
@xpack1004 Thanks but not a hell of a lot of trains through Pyramid Hill. Take a look at EMD645e3c his site is in my "other channels". He shoots up in the northern region a lot.
Would it have helped if the driver had uncoupled a few wagons, take them over the summit and put them in a siding, then bring the rest, put the train back together and went on his way? These may be old locomotives, but they sure have lots of life left.
BXM4C 4 days ago
@BXM4C Dividing and leaving some behind is not permitted under our rules. Economic rationalists have seen to the destruction of most sidings. There is a passing loop just a few km's ahead but as I said the rules don't allow for it. The fact is that had the bonehead that turned one of the locomotives off line remembered to restore it they wouldn't have had a problem.
Rocketboy1950 4 days ago
Awesome video ! Thanks
Scoobydoo84501 1 week ago
i love these emd's!!!
MrLocomechanic 2 weeks ago
AWESOME VIDEO...and the F-units look sharp!
WhistlepostWP 2 weeks ago
Seen a similar loco to the one leading up close (or the same model), these things are huge, and can really take a beating. Nice quality Rod. thanks for uploading.
iplaybassnorlly 2 weeks ago
if you flogged a dog or a horse like that, the RSPCA would have you over a barrel. If they keep that behavior up, their next trip will be to Sims metal in Brooklyn.
glennofootscray 3 weeks ago
@glennofootscray neither you nor the clown below have any idea of how tough these things are and how well designed they were with a view to every single part of them being able to be replaced.
Rocketboy1950 3 weeks ago
@Rocketboy1950 YEP!!!
TONYBROWNE114 3 weeks ago
Thats what happens when museums who have been "gifted" with rollingstock by the government for historical use, rent it out to be abused by all and sundry. The SHRC should be ashamed of themselves
johnnyfarnham 3 weeks ago
@johnnyfarnham Get a grip. There's nothing there that can't be fixed and the cash coming in is paying for other important restoration work. In addition to the hire costs there are mileage charges designed to cover repairs and maintenance.
Rocketboy1950 3 weeks ago
@Rocketboy1950 Thats all well and good but SHRC aren't, or don't seem to be spending money on renovation, repair, maintenaince. In fact the whole reason for for their existence has gone from operating a museum and railfan type trips to wholly being a locomotive supplier to the highest bidder. You can only flog old equipment so long before it can no longer be "fixed" as you put it. Let me guess, your an el zorro driver
johnnyfarnham 3 weeks ago
@johnnyfarnham I'm retired. Tell me which bit you think can't be fixed. The only original part on them now is the number plates.
Rocketboy1950 3 weeks ago
@Rocketboy1950 Well, for a retired driver your not too smart. They have original frames and the frames suffer from stress as was found out when the B to A class was underway. I dont believe they have new motors nor generators, the bogie assemblies are original as clyde no longer make them. I just knew were a driver the way you come over all defensive. The A class that have been upgraded and refurbished are still old and cant be flogged. Good your on a pension no longer thrashing old locos
johnnyfarnham 3 weeks ago
@johnnyfarnham Locos have been flogged from day 1. You seem to overlook that I drove these things for many years. We used to pull full loads with all of them and crawl along at 10km/h for hour after hour. We occasionally stalled, slipped wheels, burnt motors and had generators flash over. They put rods out the side, blew off air box covers and had crankcase explosions. I was directly involved in the A/P rebuilds and did a lot of the testing. You only think you know about them, now fuck off !
Rocketboy1950 3 weeks ago
@johnnyfarnham Im pretty sure, If he had the chance, he him self would flog the fuck outta you. You mostlikely know nothing about these locos. Rocketboy1950 as he stated is an ex loco driver, what are you? Care to explain? Please it may lighten up my day so far.
Gavsta40 3 weeks ago
@johnnyfarnham go suck a cock you fuckwit
arealdoozey 3 weeks ago 2
Rod are these non-turbo EMD's ??
fixitdude74 4 weeks ago
@fixitdude74 Yes this lot are Roots blown.
Rocketboy1950 4 weeks ago
Man, you zoom out too soon.
Be patient.
johnnycaboosehead 1 month ago
That is some of the best recording of EMD's busting there nuts, that I have ever heard! Thanx! Hard to believe with all that power, they couldn't top it off!
wwebtime 1 month ago
Awesome footage!
HHenkelmann 1 month ago
Nice video!!!
brickbuilder711 1 month ago
Now THAT'S a railfan video! Fav'd.
SFLRailFan 1 month ago
SUUUUPEERRRRRR GOOD BUEN VIDEO,
ricoisrael880 1 month ago
i used to work in 8 road overhaul and we saw these engines come in with over a million engine hours with minimal damage!
llinc57 1 month ago
@llinc57 And I used to be one of the blokes at the fuel point that sent them over to you.
Rocketboy1950 1 month ago
Making Wheel Burns?
IPlaysHabbo 2 months ago
More cracking footage from down under - cheers Rod
okotokspaul 2 months ago
Film the wheels next time....
Skyisnotalimit 2 months ago
I wonder what will they will do with all the old T class now?
rhondaw1 3 months ago
@rhondaw1 Same as they did before they were on hire, use them a lot less to run fan specials. I suspect that there might still be a fair bit of work on offer for the old things.
Rocketboy1950 3 months ago
Last night they... ELZ ...had a 'G' class in the lead, plus X31 and I think ? a 'B' or 'S' and had no trouble making it up the grade. I was surprised how quick they were going until I realised.
rhondaw1 3 months ago
@rhondaw1 Yep, the G has displaced the T's
Rocketboy1950 3 months ago
What a struggle......and what a sound!! There's nothing like an EMD V16 567B engine at fever pitch!! I pity the crew though. They must have been hours late.
gregbassace1 3 months ago
To try to understand the decisions that were made by the crew and/or train control could you give us 1) an idea how far the train was from the top of the grade before stalling the first time? I've had a look at Google maps and I can't place where the video was shot from. Was it the end of Farrells Road? 2) given the conditions are there any issues regarding setting back a train downhill on a 1:52 - even such a short way back to Ballarat?
zelo1954 3 months ago
@zelo1954 About 800 metres from the summit. Not far from Farrells Road. The rules allow for a set back with the proper authority. Anything else is subjective and I have my own thoughts on it but best left unsaid.
Rocketboy1950 3 months ago
Love the sound! Old gals earning there keep.
labhunter1 4 months ago
Don' t you use "helpers" to reach the summit ?
neo93220 4 months ago
@neo93220 If all the units had been powering there would be no need. They regularly bring that train up that hill without any issues. Somebody forgot to put one back on line at the crew change over point at the last stop.
Rocketboy1950 4 months ago
Listen to that Twin Supercharged 16 cylinder 2 stroke Diesel, work its balls off!! a sound that cannot be matched..
aussietraindriver 4 months ago
I remember years ago then the "jets" used to run up Ingliston bank especially just before Bank Box loop, drizzly day like this one, with a single C class, the fireman placing ballast on the track if front of the loco, saved rolling back down the hill to Bacchus marsh, and got the train moving up into Ballan. From memory the WTT weight limit for a single C over this section of track was 1200 tonnes, so with this train considering the weight and motive power ballast on the track may have worked.
wezza60 4 months ago
@wezza60 Which is precisely what I was telling him to do. I suggested cutting a couple of units off and running ahead to crush up some stones. Rolling back down to backamearse was a NO NO. In those days it was divide, take some to Bank Box or Ballan and come back for the rest.
Rocketboy1950 4 months ago
hahahaha look at the trees get blown up by the exhaust at 4:47
pimplejuice2 4 months ago
When are these preservation group members going to stop leaseing their locomotives to mainline operators when all they do is flog the shit out of them.
otherranger 4 months ago
@otherranger probably at about the same time you come to terms with the contracts that say they will be maintained and returned as was plus did you ever consider the money that the groups are getting out of it to do other work.
Rocketboy1950 4 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Don't they get something like $1000 for each loco for each day when it's in service?
undertaker19909 4 months ago in playlist ya mum
@undertaker19909 I have heard that figure but it depends on the loco. Obviously they pay a lot more for something like an EL than they do for a T. There is also a substantial per km charge.
Rocketboy1950 4 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Most of these locos come from Seymour Railway Heritage Centre, donated to them by the state government for historic preservation, not for leaseing to private, mainline freight companies. These locos should be used ones ever month of so not flogged to crap everyday heavy freight trains. Just when was the last time SRHC run a tour with one of these engines? Their last tour was run with P class engines hired from Vline. Wonder how much lease income is left after paying for that?
otherranger 2 months ago
@otherranger They are machines and the money they earn pays for restoration of other locomotives. In addition to the hire there is a fee per km to cover the cost of their upkeep. SRHC as I understand cannot get a train out due to V/Line booking out the lead. The P's were used because of asbestos being discovered in electrical compartments of the older locos. Know your facts before you go off on a rant.
Rocketboy1950 2 months ago
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@Rocketboy1950 restoration of what? More Heritage diesel engines that are leased out? that is all I can see coming out of SRHC. Yes the shunt head to the depot is out of service but since these engines are not in the depot I don't see why that is a problem. All that I am saying is these 50+ year old heritage diesel engines should not be used everyday on private freight trains when they where given to SRHC by the government for historic preservation. Leasing 1 or 2 short term is ok, but not this
otherranger 2 months ago
how many horsepower is it all up???
garygeargrinder 5 months ago
@garygeargrinder 1800+900+900+900+900+1500 which would have been enough if they had all been powering from the bottom of the grade.
Rocketboy1950 5 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 how many ton were they pulling??
garygeargrinder 5 months ago
@garygeargrinder somewhere in the 3000 area
Rocketboy1950 5 months ago
@garygeargrinder
shepchiva 5 months ago
The best way to pull this up the gradient is the gradually take the trains out of notch 8 as it starts to slow and leave it in notch 5 or six otherwise all that happens is you get a lot of wheel slip which in the end stall the train even with sanding. He clearly has too much throttle
shepchiva 5 months ago
I think I can I think I can I think I can
cvgeeps 5 months ago
Why didn't they just double it?
randommagnum 6 months ago
@randommagnum with what ?
Rocketboy1950 6 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Oh, heh heh, sorry — Yankspeak; what I mean by "double" is breaking the train somewhere in the middle, pulling half of it up to the nearest siding after the hill, then coming back and getting the rest...it takes longer to do that, but at the rate they're going, even if they had bulled that thing up, I bet it would've been faster...not to mention keeping the traction motors from melting.
randommagnum 6 months ago
@randommagnum That bloody language barrier ! We called that a stall and divide. It is not permitted any more under the nanny state rules. (you might have to Google "nanny state" ) There was a passing loop about a mile away and it would have been easy enough to do however........
Rocketboy1950 6 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Oh believe me, I know all too well what a "nanny state" is, unfortunately. :/
Would they permit it if you could put it on a siding down at the bottom, maybe with a derail?
randommagnum 6 months ago
@randommagnum Not likely. The only place I have sen it allowed in recent times is out on a little used freight line with no other trains on the line and no danger of a runaway being able to do any damage to anything else.
Rocketboy1950 6 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 This is coming soon in the new book of rules revision.
vibrantage 5 months ago
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vibrantage 5 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 We would have the same shit here in the UK. They tie themselves up in so many stupid dam rules, anything out of the ordinary is outa the question so when something does go wrong, they cant get themselves out of it. We then stand around talking about it and blaming people for 5 hours while the lines still blocked LOL.
formidable38 5 months ago
The most sick trainvid I ever saw!!!!
Until the sand was gone there was not really much wheel slip, but the power of the working 5 engines just wasn't enough to maintain uphill speed.
A great word can be said about the build quality of these 50-60 years olds, being in notch 8 at low speed for at least double the recommended time.
I know that these loco's can take this punishment from when I saw their European sisters still in use in Belgium, where they ran on heavy grades at 50 years of age.
dieselmupke 6 months ago
Good sound !
ttrainmixx 7 months ago
Madness, what a fight. I like the old gm-emd machines!
copernikuz 7 months ago
great video & great timing to be in the right place at the right time. NOTE ; WATCH CAREFULLY AS TRAIN COMES UP THE HILL PAST THE RED LIGHTS THERES AN ORANGE GLOW COMING OUTA THE EXHAUSTS. would be a great sight at night.
13frontrow 7 months ago
Sure was a lot of diesel fuel wasted on that attempt, anybody want to guess the comsumption at notch 8 for Lord knows how long it took? Very nice E8 on the point but an Alco PA put in place of the E probably would have gotten the job done. PA's never stalled at creeping speed on uphill grades. Also enjoyed the smoke coming from the traction motors....Anyone want to rewind a bunch of traction motor field coils and armatures?
JRNipper 7 months ago
@JRNipper That "E8" is more like a GP9 with six powered axles. 16 cylinder 567. The smoke is most likely a mix of exhaust being sucked in by the traction motor blowers and sand being used while he still had some. It stalled because one of the units had been left off line.
Rocketboy1950 7 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Original E8/9 EMD locos have 2, 567 prime movers and a generator that puts out 500 more HP and is much heavier than a GP9. Alco PA'a had better traction motors and lower gear ratios. Did someone remove one of the 567's? When I worked for Canadien Pacific we had an MP15 "unload" in notch 8 so the other one had to pull a long string of loaded grain cars up the hill and the traction motors got so hot they actually smoked, looked like the same thing happened in your video.
JRNipper 7 months ago
@JRNipper 2 X12 cylinder 567's and two generators IIRC. I remember reading an article on rough transition with an ABBA configuration on which the engineer notched up in such a way as to get all 8 transitions happening at the one time causing some terrible coupling slack issues on a long passenger train.
Rocketboy1950 7 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 I can believe that, loading with several units MU'd together is an electrician's nightmare. I recall we had a GP9 still on our roster in 1998 that was modified with a "HI-LO" gen loading switch, in LO it barely moved, in HI the wheels spun off in notch 2. We got new G.E. locos wtih A.C. generators & computer controlled modulation, you can pull nearly anything with one loco, provided it doesn't tear up the rails, which is did with us resulting in a dumming down of the software.
JRNipper 7 months ago
I wonder what the total capacity of diesel engines and weight train?
Интересно, какая суммарная мощность тепловозов и вес поезда?
TheWolf1610 7 months ago
@TheWolf1610 About 3000 tonnes
Rocketboy1950 7 months ago
cool its the Silver Streak!
LordGeorgeRodney 8 months ago
my god, those locos should have been put out to pasture 40 years ago.
Polybun 8 months ago
PRICLESS FOOTAGE!
pebblz85 8 months ago
6 engines and still....
LanceCampeau 9 months ago
Now they have X31 to help them up these hills
rhondaw1 9 months ago
Great video. Are there differences between the two tracks? One appears to be newer and have wider rails...
lorirocks777 9 months ago
@lorirocks777 Same gauge but the right side is a rebuild good for the imperial ton, 100mph and the other side is basically a freight track limited to 80km/h ( 50mph).
Rocketboy1950 9 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Thanks for the info!
lorirocks777 9 months ago
@Rocketboy1950 Ah, so is that why it's "driving" on the right? Here in the UK the trains follow the roads in that a 2 track railway will always have traffic passing on the left.
leapoffaith20 9 months ago
@leapoffaith20 Like alot of lines in Australia and the US, they are bi-directionaly signalled. You can see the signals in the vid on the opposite road can accomodate trains running the same way. These countrys dont use the terms up or down like us, instead track 1, 2 etc. We (uk) are ineficent in that we dont usualy have this flexibility.
As that train has stalled, the despatcher can now pass a train on the opposite line in the same direction to avoid delay. Try doing that in the UK, No chance!
formidable38 9 months ago
@lorirocks777 that line aside we have quite a few dual direction tracks so whilst we originally followed British practice it's now not always the case.
Rocketboy1950 9 months ago
Awesome Video! Thanks.
steve7112004 10 months ago
Lol. other train: BEEP!
13Anko 10 months ago
S302 in her WCR days would have sounded awesome on that train.
Fordgirl 10 months ago
I was 100 to press the like button!!
formidable38 11 months ago
Rod, that was f-in epic, great filming!
I wouldnt have thought full sand boxes would have made much differance, would you?
Another locomotive maybe!
I was on a ballast train one night over 10 years ago that had the same outcome, Il never forget it.
formidable38 11 months ago
awesome AWESOME vid!! Conveniently stalled right in front of you!
SHOwner97 11 months ago
i'm surprised they didn't burn down their electric engines. stalling in 8th notch with a couple thousand amps of electricity going through a copper wire - not good :-)
HijenA 11 months ago
Nice of them to stall right next to the camera.
WeldinMike27 11 months ago
thats like being stuck in the snow in a ditch and havin ppl drive right by you...lol....that sucks...
mercenary454 11 months ago
@mercenary454 i've actually been there (nearly). Blew the motor up in my Honda along a very busy highway about a month ago. I had a cell phone, and called my folks for a ride (they lived a ways away). But any way, my brother and i sat there for an hour + before someone finally stopped to see if we needed help.
salemcripple 11 months ago
This has to be , hands down, one of the best sounds in the world! F**king amazing! It never gets old - especially with surround sound cranked!
bolts1111 11 months ago 4
@bolts1111 Check out one of my later clips with a B class being wound up while I shot into the engine room.
Rocketboy1950 11 months ago
Whats all the dust flying out from the sides?
bolts1111 1 year ago
@bolts1111 Sand being pulverised under the wheels. It is used to get a better grip between wheel and rail.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago 3
@Rocketboy1950 in Denmark we used to call it , 7 and sand ... ! In this case 8 and no sand :)
dieseltrainfreek 1 year ago
What a great video! In all the rail action I've watched, I've NEVER seen a train slip to a stand like that! 6 engines in 8th notch, screaming their tits off still, is just so hilarious! I wish I could've been there to see this!!!
DC4916 1 year ago
Too much train, not enough engine.
TheMrBlinx 1 year ago
@TheMrBlinx What? 6 engines not enough? You want more??? The old M.U system must be struggling as it is to handle 6 engines!
DC4916 1 year ago
love watching your stuff here in ireland,any off chewton bank
sparton00678 1 year ago
@sparton00678 Not from me but in my "other channels" EMD645 will have some from that area. Easy for him as he lives in Bendigo. Very rare to get daylight freight on the Bendigo line as it has few paths available between the passenger trains now that the boneheads have made it a single line beyond Kyneton.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Epic doesn't begin to describe this! Most amazing stall I've ever seen in video of in life for that matter.
emilkarpo 1 year ago
Boy those old 567s sounded great! Truly a sound that is disappearing from railroads these days. I'm no expert, but maybe the train may have had a chance, had the engineer backed the train just enough to bunch up slack then try it again? That's always easier than trying to start a fully stretched train.
CRQ5508 1 year ago
@CRQ5508 Pretty hard to back slack into something standing on a 2% grade. Restricted release brakes don't help much either.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Looks like smoke is coming from the traction motors.
seabulls69 1 year ago
Excuse the ignorance but what do you guys mean there was no sand? Amazing vid btw!
neildaust 1 year ago
@neildaust Locomotives carry sand in boxes just above the wheels. If the wheels slip sand is blasted on to the rails with compressed air to provide a rough surface for a better grip. In this clip you can see the dust being raised early on. Once he runs out of sand its all over. These locos took that train up that hill plenty of times. The problem here was one was not powering and that caused the stall. He fixed the problem but without sand couldn't get it moving again.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 ah Ok, very interesting. Its a wonder he went so hard on the sand before he fixed the problem? At which point in the video was the stall?
neildaust 1 year ago
@neildaust A stall is when a train powers to a stand as a result of the inability of the power to lift it over a grade or wheelslip becomes uncontrollable. And yes he should have stopped way back further to look for the problem.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago 2
@Rocketboy1950 sooooooo what ur saying is train go toot toot! and slows down?
PeachesKittyLover 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 lol
PeachesKittyLover 1 year ago
Great video, loved the passenger trains blowing by. The grade does not look that bad. I guess just too much train
WILLIAMHBAIRD 1 year ago
Man that's a great video. Gold! Best video I've seen of the old 567's working hard.
DCCSound 1 year ago
In a magizine called Australian Railways illustrated [August 2010 edition] on page 61. There is a photo of S303 [leading]-T341-T357-T320-T378 and B74 at Warrenhelp bank on Tuesday 29th of June 2010. Was this photo taken the same day and the same time of the same train when the you tube video was recored? In other words what date was the video taken?Feel free to take a look at the photo in the Aust, R,I, magazine.
locomotion60 1 year ago
@locomotion60 This video was 20th September
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
The old girls [engines] were not just up to it. One more old girl [engine] may of helped.
locomotion60 1 year ago
@locomotion60 No, they do this regularly. One of them wasn't powering. Once it stalled and the driver rectified the fault they couldn't lift it without sand. All of the sand had been used. Personally I would have stopped way back down the hill to fault find. It was bleedingly obvious that all was not well very early on.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
could you tell me the model and brand of the loco please, great clip by the way!
mikldude 1 year ago
@mikldude All EMD Australian models A7 G8B G8B G8 G8 ML2 or Victorian railways S class T, T, T, T and B class
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 thanks mate.
mikldude 1 year ago
What an amazing video. Even though this battle was lost, it was " THE BEST HARD PULL " I have seen yet on Youtube.I just wish you had kept filming as they back her down the grade.But, hey, fantastic anyway..I hope you can get more when these events happen. Perhaps the company will consider a mid-train or end train helper up the grade in the future.
canadiantimberwolf1 1 year ago
@canadiantimberwolf1 It was getting dark and I had 100 miles to get home. And next time the company should consider having all the units actually powering before attempting the grade. I drive for the company now and then, what can I say.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Great Video, this looks like the same one i saw leave from Maryborough, please have a look at my video it was taken from my mobile phone, but it did come up ok i think ..great footage thank you..
Willowfs4472 1 year ago
Great dieselsound!!
1961ruud09 1 year ago
Wow. The sound of those 567's giving it everything they've got is absolute music. And that engine is a beauty. I have an idea now of what it would've been like to see 6 Southern F-7's trying to tug a coal train up Saluda or Rio Grande GP-7's climbing Tennessee Pass. Excelent video!
wildfire19861987 1 year ago
Rocketboy: One of your best I think. Very impressive. The sight and sound of all of those engines being brought up like that brought goose pimples up on my arms and sent a shiver down my spine. I don't mind admitting to a schoolboy thrill at the experience. I used to enjoy watching the Deltics pull out of Kings Cross (London) in the early seventies but that was not quite the same as this. Many thanks.
WilliamGruff 1 year ago
WOW What a beautiful sight!!! Look at all that wonderful VR!!! I need to do some gunzelling out west.
Necroticz 1 year ago
Bad Train Preparation, I would hate to be grinding those wheelburns from the railhead after that!!
The Driver and Second Person should go with the perway crew to repair and apologise after that......!
pumoill 1 year ago
@pumoill On point one, wrong. They had a failure. On point two, wrong, how in hell is the not qaulified to drive second person responsible. And as for the perway crews, have you driven a train in country Victoria. Actually it's not their fault, the track owners won't spend any money to bring it up to a decent standard.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
wow!
shazam75 1 year ago
An engine failed and then no sand oh god because everything comes at once:)
The Sound is Greaaaaaaat :)
Kilofon1 1 year ago
I might not be a loco driver, but it seems obvious that the battle was lost very early on in the video, shouldn't the driver know this? Rather than rev them into what sounds like 8th notch, and just spin and spin?!?! That'll do the motors real good!
vrgunzel 1 year ago
@vrgunzel I saw very little evidence of spinning, a good deal of quick slips which is what ultimately caused the failure to continue at what was far too low a speed. Yes he probably should have stopped to investigate far further back. Sometimes you just hope that they will keep going.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 Wonder when one of those locos will pack in majorly. They're nearly 60 years old for christs sake! Do el zorro drivers get their tickets out of a corn flakes box? The scary answer is proberly yes knowing El Shonko and their ways!
vrgunzel 1 year ago
@vrgunzel The only thing original on those locos is the number plates. They are machines that have had every conceivable part replaced over their life spans and will continue to do so until a frame fails. Most of the drivers that I know at El Zorro got their tickets on the VR. Quite a few are qualified in at least two other states. There is a government regulator looking over their shoulder you realise. As to the corn Flakes remark, FUCK YOU I'm one of them.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago 2
@Rocketboy1950 Well said Rod, my father was the same, like you he worked hard on the VR to become a very professional & accomplshed driver. and he still likes his Corn Flakes too!!
S311 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950
Well, stalling, then reving the absoutle shite out of engine, and then wondering why it's not moving. Its like trying to un-bog a car by putting your foot the floor! i'm sure the driver trainers at VR would be spinning in their graves if they saw this display of sheer idiocy!
vrgunzel 1 year ago
@vrgunzel The prime objective is to clear the section. You don't do that in notch 3. Get back to me when you actually know something about driving a locomotive.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
poor trains....
they are really strugling to beat that grade
the dust coming from underneath the train, is that sand og water?
RailWorksDanmark 1 year ago
@RailWorksDanmark Sand
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Great catch ! Talk about to be at the right place at the right moment ! ^^
dashloc 1 year ago
I've been told by a Ballarat fitter that after the train set back to the yard a lot of sandpipes were found to be blocked with wet sand and they worked for two hours clearing and re-filling them. However it seems that the vintage B class even get flogged interstate with high-horsepower locos: have a look at BWDvD's site.
CGT867 1 year ago
@CGT867 Sand pipes get blocked all the time. The old T's are the worst with the sand boxes mounted on the bogies. The sand gets damp and packed with the vibrations. I saw Bevans clip with the L's.....shot 10 years ago. Nothings changed has it. EMD64e3c has a similar clip shot at Porcupine Hill late last year.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
God Bless S303,4 T classes and looks to be another S class in the back ground <3
tyronewasup 1 year ago
@tyronewasup 303 357 378 341 320 74
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
kool do you have any vids of P classes at all ?
tyronewasup 1 year ago
@tyronewasup Sure do, just look.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
cool how do i go about becomeing a driver an what do i need
xpack1004 1 year ago
@xpack1004 You need a thick head, the ability to work shit hours, don't mind getting dirty now and then. You need not to give a stuff for a family life cos you won't have one. Either that or try for a job at Metro where you won't get dirty, you will know what time you are knocking off and the hours can be far more amenable to leading a normal life....but still not truly normal in the 9-5 sense. The only compensation is that for little education you can earn great money.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
cool thnx mate u drive the trains offten
xpack1004 1 year ago
@xpack1004 Not much these days, I'm over the crap hours and the grime.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
I have the same problem getting the car up the driveway when it rains
michbay2072 1 year ago
@michbay2072 Try moving to Melbourne, we have less rain than Sydney :-)
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
dose anyone do train movies thrugh pyramid hill ur videos rock
xpack1004 1 year ago
@xpack1004 Thanks but not a hell of a lot of trains through Pyramid Hill. Take a look at EMD645e3c his site is in my "other channels". He shoots up in the northern region a lot.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Great video !
cagorrie 1 year ago
what loco was not doing anything ????
trains72345 1 year ago
@trains72345 I believe that it was one of the T's
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950
Amazing how you loose 950hp+70ton dead weight can cause it to stall.
azervich 1 year ago
Epic video Rod...and you were in the right position as it ground to a halt. Did it finally make it up the grade and on to Sunshine?..........Mike
modemeyes 1 year ago
@modemeyes Not that day.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
Reminds me of the SP toward the end
coxsj 1 year ago