Ron Paul makes me sick. I don't think he knows what kind of a world we'r living at. It seems that Ron Paul thinks that he's the smatest man in the United States of America and that USA are the bad guys in the world.
I bet he's out for Muslim votes, because most Americans are not stupid enough to vote for this guy.
Ron Paul’s foreign policy approach combines the naive early American "we don't need a foreign policy" with heinous leftist anti-American "Americans cannot do one thing right abroad, everything the US does is evil and everyone it support is evil."
This combination of naïve and heinous is not pleasing to my nostrils.
@Kurtlane ron paul NEVER said we dont need a foreign policy. he said we dont need to meddle in the problems of others when we have our own to sort out. we are not the world police. we dont have the resources to do it and its not gaining us international support. the US carries out corrupt missions in the middle east with hidden agendas and i dont believe israel doesnt have its hand in the pot, as well as others. the people im against are the greedy ones ruining the country, jewish or not
@tehgreatist, Sorry, but it's the same thing. Any act of foreign policy can be and will be interpreted as meddling in the problems of others, and the only way not to meddle at all is to to have foreign policy.
Which, if you know American history, is what the U.S. tried to do, and immediately had its sailors and traders turned into slaves by Barbary pirates with complete support by their goverment.
But of course those who don’t want to learn that lesson are doomed to repeat it. Except now the repetition might very well be nuclear.
If the idea of not having a navy or foreign policy was naïve when the U.S. was just born and had no obligations to anyone, now it's also much more naive and also heinous. All sorts of countries, all sorts of people rely on the U.S. for their lives.
When the U.S. cut foreign aid to Vietnam, Communists took over and about 4 million Vietnamese people were killed. Mothers were throwing their babies to American soldiers.
Do you feel any shame about that? Do you know how much of that would happen if Ron Pail comes to power? The U.S. already has reputation for being unreliable. Do you want that reputation to grow?
Sorry, but it is one thing to say "It's none of my business" before you promise anything, and another to say it after you give promises.
My parents taught me that when I take on an obligation, I have to fulfill it. That I cannot just say, "You know, it's harder than I thought, so I'm breaking our agreement, and you can go die."
Here I am only addressing the naïve part of Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas. I haven't even touched on the heinous part.
Just listen to this and tell me: is it a sane man saying these things? Is he in touch with reality?
watch?v=BDvaTqLlZlA
I understand you don't want corrupt leaders like Bush Jr. What you don't understand is that it CAN get worse, and the sky CAN fall on our heads. And a lot of it DOES depend on the president. And that president CAN be MUCH, MUCH worse than Bush. You cannot imagine how much.
@Kurtlane im confused why you linked that video. yes i agree with what he said, and yes it is absolutely sane. do you HONESTLY think we can stop iran from getting a nuke? sorry, we cant. not without starting a big war, which will not be in our favor. and yes, you can still have foreign policy while not meddling. if someone asks for help its different than forcing your hand. all these fake human rights violations as of late are funded by the US and NATO and are fronts for regime change.
@Kurtlane i like how you say things like "a jew was lynched in 1915" thats too bad, but how is that relevant to ron paul? we DONT need troops in every country, we DONT need to police the middle east, bring our troops home, stop wasting money on wars, fix our problems at home, we have plenty. ron paul is not saying we cant help other countries, hes saying we are NOT the world police. the international support of america is waning. if people dont like our "help" why give it?
@tehgreatist, Again, it's the same thing. It is enough for us to help any country at all, and we will be called "the world policeman."
"people dont like our "help" why give it?" - of course, but which people like and which dislike our help?
You have no idea how foreign policy works. Perhaps I should read you a lecture on Pakistan alone, so that you'd realize just how good America still is and how much we have to lose.
Foreign policy is a game of bullying. It's like you live in a gang-infested neighborhood, and cannot leave it. No matter what you do, you won't be left alone. Or it's like living in a house where one room catches fire. You shouldn't say, "it's just over there, it won't spread to me."
So the only choice left is to be the strongest of all, to "speak softly, but carry a big stick." This is not cold war mentality, this is human nature.
One would think that after 9/11 (this is the reason I brought it up), which came about because the U.S. withdrew assistance from Afghanistan after Soviets left, I wouldn't need to say such obvious banalities. And yet, here we are.
In foreign policy, Ron Paul is just like Obama, only worse.
Does anyone remember how during his election campaign Obama said, "Leave it to me, I'll make peace with Iranian ayatollahs. I have the magic touch." So where is his "magic touch" now? It turne4d out it was a campaign gimick
The truth is that Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and Obama have all tried again and again to improve relations with Iranian regime. And got absolutely nowhere. Same thing with North Korea, and things only got worse. Same thing with Russia, again with negative result
There are damn good solid structural internal reasons why Iran, North Korea, Russia and others refuse to have better relations with then U.S. It makes them, both the leaders and the countries, important. And when U.S. president says, "it's none of our business," he puts them down, and thus dares them to make it our business.
And now Ron Paul is saying practically the same thing, and again many believe him.
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. More generally, those who refuse to learn are doomed.
It sound so rosy: bring our troops home, stop wasting money on wars, we are not the world police. It would be great, if only it could work. But it can't.
What are the "fake human rights violations as of late are funded by the US and NATO and are fronts for regime change?" What are you talking about?
I never said Ron Paul is openly promoting massacres - he is too smart for that. His followers, however, from David Duke to some on this forum... He never openly stood up against this support.
I think we are to have 10 9/11s, maybe nuclear ones, no matter who is elected. The question is how will our president (not necessarily the next one) react to that.
I also wonder what will you then say about "we cannot stop Iran from having nukes."
My parents never let me get away with "this is not possible." They would always say, "Then do the impossible." And I did the impossible.
"Not possible." Really? Our military has in fact won in Iraq, and is close to victory in Afghanistan too. So why all the whining now? And who is it that's whining? It's not our soldiers on the front line.
But victories must be secured, or they are no victories.
What is this desire to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Who would want that? The answer is the same as always: The media and the politicians. Barack Obama and Ron Paul.Gets them elected. And after them - the flood.
In Nov. 2001, right after the start of American invasion of Afghanistan, I heard an American military man say, "We will do what is necessary. But will you, people back home, do what is necessary: give us the support we need to do the job? Or will you again turn around in midway?"
It’s the same old story. After the battle of Salamis in 480 BC, when Athenian fleet destroyed the Persian navy and the sailors returned home, they thought they'd be met a heroes. Instead, Athenian politicians played their dirty games, and sailors were met with derision, spat on, you know the story.
Under what slogan did politicians turn the populus against the sailors to whom they owed their lives? "Why did so many of our boys have to die?"
The answer is obvious: because Persian fleet was 3 times larger than the Athenian one, and was well trained and equipped too. It was only due to the bravery of the sailors and the military genius of their leader Themistocles that they won at all.
But do politicians play fair? And do people think?
This happened in Greece in 480 BC. And yet, how American does it sound!
But people who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
@Kurtlane see now you are going on a tyrade. think about what you are suggesting. you mention afghanistan and iraq and then ask what we could do in iran? what you are implying is borderline starting WWIII. we can not take over the middle east. it will ruin our country to try. and iran is NOT going to halt nuclear research unless they are stopped. is it a scary idea? yes. but ron paul is right, the alternative is worse. its inevitable they will get it. do we want to be enemies when they do?
@Kurtlane in the US we are willing to support the freedom of others, but there are people behind the scenes in america profiting from some of these uprisings and publicizing them in a good light to gain support. who is to say the rebels we fund in libya are going to run the country more humane than gaddafi? we allied with them because they agreed to work with us, but who is to say that wont change after they take control? its not our place to police the middle east, we have our own problems.
@tehgreatist , I already tolds you, we will be enemies when they get nukes. They need us as enemies. This is the one thing in it that is not up to us.
And if America gives in to their current demands, they will put forward even tougher ones. And so on, until they either destroy us or finally hit a wall we put up. And if they do, then, bloated by our previous appeasement, they won't think much of sxtarting a war, or launching nukes - anything at all.
The examples of this fill entire human history. From fall of Sung dinasty China to triple division of Poland to Nazi Germany's conquest of Czechislovakia and Soviet conquest of the Baltic states and WWII that followed it, to the recent Intifadah in Israel to... Appeasement is the fastest route to war and to self-annihilation.
So who is borderline starting WWIII, me or Ron Paul?
9/11 was the result of withdrawing all attention from Afghanistan. Not just food aid, or aid in general. Much more than that.
One thing still good about American government is that it gives so little foreign aid. Overwhelming amount of American aid comes from private sources. In Europe, it's the other way around.
All the more surprising (well, not really) the attention Ron Paul and his followers give to foreign aid.
I am not necessarily that crazy about this thing in Libya, but then what would you do otherwise? It's easy to just sit back and criticize. You say it might turn around to hurt us? It might. But then, non-involvment too might turn around to hurt us. Like it did in Afghanistan.
About Iran getting nukes: have you heard of Stuxnet? Whoever did it, and however suxessful this is in the long run, stuxnet, has stopped it. And it came about because someone thought and thought of stopping it, instead of just giving up like Ron Paul.
About human rights: this is something I used to be into for a long time. Let me tell you: there are horrendous human rights abuses in many many places in the world.
The worst are North Korea and Sudan. Afghanistan under Taliban was also among the worst. Close second come anti-American governments of Syria, Libya (yes, Gaddafi), Iraq under Saddam, Saudi Arabia, Iran, as well as Vietnam, Laos, Cuba. Close third: China, Burma and many others.
Overall, if you look carefully, this is the same picture media presents.
Except for one country, which is more accused of human rights abuses than any other, and yet is more innocent of them than almost any other: Israel.
Of course, media (overwhelmingly liberal and hounded by leftist extremists) plays with this picture. It minimizes or outright whitewashes anti-American regimes, while heaping abuse on America and Israel. But this is the media.
Of course, media (overwhelmingly liberal and hounded by leftist extremists) plays with this picture. It minimizes or outright whitewashes anti-American regimes, while heaping abuse on America and Israel. But this is the media.
What does " US pollutes the media" mean? Who is this "US?" US government? The media itself? Our country as a whole?
Most of the media is by now a cesspool. It doesn't need the government to polute it, it has poluted itself. If any governments have helped to pollute it, it's Soviet, Saudi, Chinese, Iraqi, Cuban, Venezuelan and other governments. Not the U.S.
You live here in America, and yet you repeat the old Soviet (and not only Soviet) approach: If I have a headache, or if there is anything wrong anywhere, it must be the work of "The Evil Hand of Washington."
What a strange distorted view you have.
This is your problem: your view is all distorted. This is why you support Ron Paul.
@Kurtlane hold on, are you out of your fucking mind? are you trying to convince me that "the leftist media" has it out for israel? sorry but youre wrong. if anything, american media largely supports israel. what an ass you are to accuse me of blaming "everything" on the government. when have i done that? the only things ive blamed on the american government are those it was involved in. my view is distorted? youve got such a boner for israel you cant see its ugly side.
@Kurtlane see, your logic is flawed. you act like ron paul is going to appease iran. ron paul would not give in to foreign pressure. i cant say how he would respond to the situation, but appeasement is low on the list of likely outcomes in my opinion. by the way, would you rather we keep our current approach of funding and arming middle eastern rebels in hopes of sparking a revolution and regime change and hope they dont betray us? i think that is a much more dangerous form of appeasement.
@Kurtlane there are reasons for foreign countries to not get along with the US other than some desire to feel important. i dont believe 9/11 was merely a result of withdrawing aid. the "human righs violations" i was referring to take place all the time. most recetly, libya. it is almost impossible in the western world to have an unbiased opinion of what is happening in these countries on the brink of revolution when the US pollutes the media and puts a slant on the story.
@tehgreatist, Ron Paul's frequent and ridiculous statements re. Israel and his thinly veiled talk about Jewish lobby controlling America speak for themselves.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are teh only two congressmen who refused to sign resolution calling on the UN Security Council to sanction Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for his threats against Israel on June 21, 2007.
Ron Paul is the only congressman to vote against resolution expressing support for Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law. He is the only congressman to vote against giving Rosa Parks congressional gold medal.
More important is the support he gets from David Duke and other neo-Nazi, KKK and similar types.
Ron Paul received $500 donation from Don Black (founder, owner and operator of Stormfront). His articles have been appearing in American Free Press (Willis Carto) for years. He is endorsed by Hutton Gibson.
According to Bill White, "Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays as part of a dinner that was originally organized by Patrick Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens....
"Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position"
Graphics used on the "Bay Area Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty" website in conjunction with the April 15, 2009 TEA Party in San Mateo. The image pictured a bucket of money being poured into a funnel with a Star of David on it, which in turn drips blood into a bottle where a person holding a Palestinian flag is seen drowning in blood. The text reads "Uncle Sam Reminds You: KEEP PAYING TAXES. The ongoing extermination of Palestinian Children Can't be Done Without Your Help"
Finally, just look at the posts below. Not one or two crazy Jew-hating comments, but a huge load. These are Ron Paul's supporters. And with supporters like these, and with the man himself doing nothing to distance himself from them…
@Kurtlane you need to distinguish between jew-hating and anti-israel. israel is CORRUPT. you can be against israel while still supporting those of jewish faith. i assume you meant the donation was more than $500, thats insignificant. there is a lot of middle eastern drama, and many people want to act like israel is the force of righteousness that is upholding good. i dont know a whole lot about the situation, but i know israels hands are far from clean. its not our problem to meddle in.
@tehgreatist, I do know a lot about the situation. Compared to all of its neighbors, Israel's hands are superclean.
Israel is corrupt? And I suppose the US is not? The latest I looked at corruption index, Denmark was least corrupt (number 1), the U.S. was number 17, and Israel - number 19. Israel's neighbors were way towards the bottom.
Ron Paul's statements re. Jewish lobby controlling the U.S. are not really about Israel.
@Kurtlane first, you cant assume anything about anyone based on youtube comments on a video of them talking. yes there is a lot of anti jewish talk here, but what all sensible people here realize is it is a few jewish people who are fucking over the country that are being referred to. and theyre not all jewish. and that isnt to say all jewish people are bad. israel has been an excuse for us to stick our nose in the middle east for a long time in the opinion of myself and many others.
@tehgreatist, first, who says I cant assume anything about anyone based on youtube comments? Yes I can, and I will. Judging political candidates by their constituents is as old as politics, and quite reliable.
Second, there are few sensible people here. Mostly raving lunatics.
Third, playing "I'm not against all Jewish people, only against those (choose any one you like) Talmudists, Pharisees, blood-drinkers, poisoners of Mohammed, Hasidim, Ashkenazi, Khazaar, capitalists, communists, socialists, religious fanatics, godless atheists, Bolshevics, cosmopolitans, Zionists, neo-con cabal, etc. is an old old excuse of Jew-haters.
They pretend not to hate all Jews but all those they hate are Jews. They always talk of "only some Jews" and end up repressing or massacring all they can.
Now you yourself have crossed the line into Jew-hatred.
If Ron Paul clearly spoke only about getting our nose out of the Middle East, that'd be a different story. Sometimes he does, And sometimes he doesn't, taking sides. And his constituency clearly doesn't.
@Kurtlane maybe you can judge some by their constituents, but you need to account for the massive amount of trolls out there, ESPECIALLY on youtube. i dont believe its accurate to judge an internet campaign by the comments of the audience. "massace"? i think that might be a little bit exaggerated. dont accuse me of racism, it just makes you look stupid. i am clearly not a racist. ron paul does not "hate only jews" you sound like a fanatic yourself, stop jumping to so many conclusions.
@tehgreatist, There are lots of trolls everywhere on youtube, but why are there more yet in every Ron Paul video? And why are they all so much for the man?
And why do David Duke and company openly and consistently supporting him?
Nothing is exaggerated about massacres.
Jewish history is packed with them. American history includes quite a few massacres of American indians and blacks.
I don't know whether you know that the very synagogue in the U.S. includes an underground passage for people to escape, should it be surrounded and set on fire. That passage has never been used. So far.
But Leo Frank was lynched in 1915 for being a Jew.
The times they are a-changing now, and they're not a-changing for the better. Especially if Ron Paul gets into power.
@Kurtlane yes, there has been massacre in the history of america and jews, i never said otherwise. i said your claim that ron paul is promoting the massacre of jews is without a doubt exaggerated. to imply we would have a 9/11 by electing ron paul is pretty heinous in itself. there is a difference between "its harder than i thought" and "this is not possible, and we are fucking ourselves over and making people hate us in the process, time to stop."
The one who bails out the banks and grovels for AIPAC and keeps ties to Saudi royals and other Middle Eastern oil producers shall become President of the U.S.S.A.
Continued government growth and military overstretch is the new Conservatism.
@cannabisour i think he is. .its the media that TRIES to make you think he has no chance when he actually has the only chance to beat Obama(with the candidates that have entered so far. . as of 8-27
i uploaded this video. its time to spread awareness of the Constitution, Civil Liberties, and Economic Freedom. the people need to be reawakened and reminded.
scrw that fox news guy. hes a closet liberal. it just goes to show you how fukced up this country has become when someone who wants to defened the CONSTITUTION and CIVIL LIBERTIES is somehow unelectable.......
On the RedState blog, her was recently labeled "al-Qaeda's favorite congressman" because he spoke out in favor of Wikileaks.
There are several issues that I don't agree with Mr. Paul about, but he does seem to have the idea that transparency and civil liberties are paramount correct.
I don't think he's laughing and neither am I or the others out here that know our country is f****ed and will go down in flames because we couldn't stop the military-industrial-banking NWO machine that has taken over. The dollar will most likely collapse this year, and maybe even before the summer. And look at what's going on right now in the Middle East. If the oil supply is cut off/disrupted, it will effect every aspect of our lives in the US and start the collapse.
im a canadian and i dont follow US politic much. but when i see a man like ron paul telling u guys like it is, no coloration, i would vote him regardless what party he's from. why o why you americans don't elect this great man ron paul, like 10 years ago??
Ron Paul is the man. WE need more true Americans like this guy. How fucking disrespectful was it to laugh at him . He is an honest man who cares about America. Yeah. That's so fucking funny. I hope he gets elected one day.
Im am not a very political person....in fact, I am a bit apathetic but I still play along hoping for some sort of change. But MAN...this RON PAUL, I would vote for him AGAIN any day of the week! I love what he stands for and I RESPECT him...and IM A DEMOCRAT!
Im am not a very political person....in fact, I am a bit apathetic but I still play along hoping for some sort of change. But MAN...this RON PAUL, I would vote for him AGAIN any day of the week! I love what he stands for and I RESPECT him...and IM A DEMOCRATE!
How many voted for Ron? I bet almost all here who voted for a Republican voted for one of the other more electable candidates. Only now does the light shine, when he spoke people in the crowd thought he sounded crazy. Well look what happens when you pull the lever for the "R" behind the name. You get a full blown FASCIST elected .along with all the corporate cronies. Good-bye AMERICA.
Ron Paul was the ONLY chance the US had at the last election. Now we all see, that not listen to Ron Paul was a mistake.
Listen to his warnings during this TV discussion and see how right he was. With our knowledge after the banking bail outs etc. we learned a hard lesson, did we not?
Well Im just glad that I am not a fucking sheep that listens to the Jewish own bias media like my fellow N. Americans. I never and would never vote for a guy like Obama that guy is so bought out by BIG corps. wall street etc. Lets not forget that Obama works for us, so we can impeach his ass. I wanted someone like Dennis Kucinich, Matt Gonzalez, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader to be our president. Heck even Bill Richardson would have been a better choice. Impeach OBAMA!!
This man is the real American,Charlie Gibson is a loose lipped pussy and should be put to rest in the green room serving crumpetts to the guest of King Barry.Why did CBS cancel the last 4 debates with 2 republican canidates remaining?why didn't Fox stand up and scream foul,when this happened? Oh Yeah they are balls to wall conservatives ,too....
"The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.
"Your are a DEN OF VIPERS I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will ROUT YOU OUT. If the people only understood the rank injustice of your money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."
Typical FOX Bullshit. Denigrate the opposition if its against the neo-con, anti-freedom, corporate fascist, military industrial complex machine that McCain and Obama are all about.
ron bob should be usas president! he is the right one and he is what everyone thought obama was. he is the one that will stop the wars and make peace!
a libertarian got in the back door of the debates - wow! no wonder the power tries to squash him. I hope enough people wake up to liberty before it's all gone again.
Ron Paul makes me sick. I don't think he knows what kind of a world we'r living at. It seems that Ron Paul thinks that he's the smatest man in the United States of America and that USA are the bad guys in the world.
I bet he's out for Muslim votes, because most Americans are not stupid enough to vote for this guy.
I don't trust him.
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driv1937 6 months ago
Ron Paul’s foreign policy approach combines the naive early American "we don't need a foreign policy" with heinous leftist anti-American "Americans cannot do one thing right abroad, everything the US does is evil and everyone it support is evil."
This combination of naïve and heinous is not pleasing to my nostrils.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane ron paul NEVER said we dont need a foreign policy. he said we dont need to meddle in the problems of others when we have our own to sort out. we are not the world police. we dont have the resources to do it and its not gaining us international support. the US carries out corrupt missions in the middle east with hidden agendas and i dont believe israel doesnt have its hand in the pot, as well as others. the people im against are the greedy ones ruining the country, jewish or not
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, Sorry, but it's the same thing. Any act of foreign policy can be and will be interpreted as meddling in the problems of others, and the only way not to meddle at all is to to have foreign policy.
Which, if you know American history, is what the U.S. tried to do, and immediately had its sailors and traders turned into slaves by Barbary pirates with complete support by their goverment.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
But of course those who don’t want to learn that lesson are doomed to repeat it. Except now the repetition might very well be nuclear.
If the idea of not having a navy or foreign policy was naïve when the U.S. was just born and had no obligations to anyone, now it's also much more naive and also heinous. All sorts of countries, all sorts of people rely on the U.S. for their lives.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
When the U.S. cut foreign aid to Vietnam, Communists took over and about 4 million Vietnamese people were killed. Mothers were throwing their babies to American soldiers.
Do you feel any shame about that? Do you know how much of that would happen if Ron Pail comes to power? The U.S. already has reputation for being unreliable. Do you want that reputation to grow?
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Sorry, but it is one thing to say "It's none of my business" before you promise anything, and another to say it after you give promises.
My parents taught me that when I take on an obligation, I have to fulfill it. That I cannot just say, "You know, it's harder than I thought, so I'm breaking our agreement, and you can go die."
Here I am only addressing the naïve part of Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas. I haven't even touched on the heinous part.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Just listen to this and tell me: is it a sane man saying these things? Is he in touch with reality?
watch?v=BDvaTqLlZlA
I understand you don't want corrupt leaders like Bush Jr. What you don't understand is that it CAN get worse, and the sky CAN fall on our heads. And a lot of it DOES depend on the president. And that president CAN be MUCH, MUCH worse than Bush. You cannot imagine how much.
Does anyone remember 9/11 any more?
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane im confused why you linked that video. yes i agree with what he said, and yes it is absolutely sane. do you HONESTLY think we can stop iran from getting a nuke? sorry, we cant. not without starting a big war, which will not be in our favor. and yes, you can still have foreign policy while not meddling. if someone asks for help its different than forcing your hand. all these fake human rights violations as of late are funded by the US and NATO and are fronts for regime change.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@Kurtlane i like how you say things like "a jew was lynched in 1915" thats too bad, but how is that relevant to ron paul? we DONT need troops in every country, we DONT need to police the middle east, bring our troops home, stop wasting money on wars, fix our problems at home, we have plenty. ron paul is not saying we cant help other countries, hes saying we are NOT the world police. the international support of america is waning. if people dont like our "help" why give it?
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, Again, it's the same thing. It is enough for us to help any country at all, and we will be called "the world policeman."
"people dont like our "help" why give it?" - of course, but which people like and which dislike our help?
You have no idea how foreign policy works. Perhaps I should read you a lecture on Pakistan alone, so that you'd realize just how good America still is and how much we have to lose.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Foreign policy is a game of bullying. It's like you live in a gang-infested neighborhood, and cannot leave it. No matter what you do, you won't be left alone. Or it's like living in a house where one room catches fire. You shouldn't say, "it's just over there, it won't spread to me."
So the only choice left is to be the strongest of all, to "speak softly, but carry a big stick." This is not cold war mentality, this is human nature.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
One would think that after 9/11 (this is the reason I brought it up), which came about because the U.S. withdrew assistance from Afghanistan after Soviets left, I wouldn't need to say such obvious banalities. And yet, here we are.
In foreign policy, Ron Paul is just like Obama, only worse.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Does anyone remember how during his election campaign Obama said, "Leave it to me, I'll make peace with Iranian ayatollahs. I have the magic touch." So where is his "magic touch" now? It turne4d out it was a campaign gimick
The truth is that Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and Obama have all tried again and again to improve relations with Iranian regime. And got absolutely nowhere. Same thing with North Korea, and things only got worse. Same thing with Russia, again with negative result
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
There are damn good solid structural internal reasons why Iran, North Korea, Russia and others refuse to have better relations with then U.S. It makes them, both the leaders and the countries, important. And when U.S. president says, "it's none of our business," he puts them down, and thus dares them to make it our business.
And now Ron Paul is saying practically the same thing, and again many believe him.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. More generally, those who refuse to learn are doomed.
It sound so rosy: bring our troops home, stop wasting money on wars, we are not the world police. It would be great, if only it could work. But it can't.
What are the "fake human rights violations as of late are funded by the US and NATO and are fronts for regime change?" What are you talking about?
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
I never said Ron Paul is openly promoting massacres - he is too smart for that. His followers, however, from David Duke to some on this forum... He never openly stood up against this support.
I think we are to have 10 9/11s, maybe nuclear ones, no matter who is elected. The question is how will our president (not necessarily the next one) react to that.
I also wonder what will you then say about "we cannot stop Iran from having nukes."
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
My parents never let me get away with "this is not possible." They would always say, "Then do the impossible." And I did the impossible.
"Not possible." Really? Our military has in fact won in Iraq, and is close to victory in Afghanistan too. So why all the whining now? And who is it that's whining? It's not our soldiers on the front line.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
But victories must be secured, or they are no victories.
What is this desire to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Who would want that? The answer is the same as always: The media and the politicians. Barack Obama and Ron Paul.Gets them elected. And after them - the flood.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
In Nov. 2001, right after the start of American invasion of Afghanistan, I heard an American military man say, "We will do what is necessary. But will you, people back home, do what is necessary: give us the support we need to do the job? Or will you again turn around in midway?"
Was he right, or was he right?
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
It’s the same old story. After the battle of Salamis in 480 BC, when Athenian fleet destroyed the Persian navy and the sailors returned home, they thought they'd be met a heroes. Instead, Athenian politicians played their dirty games, and sailors were met with derision, spat on, you know the story.
Under what slogan did politicians turn the populus against the sailors to whom they owed their lives? "Why did so many of our boys have to die?"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
The answer is obvious: because Persian fleet was 3 times larger than the Athenian one, and was well trained and equipped too. It was only due to the bravery of the sailors and the military genius of their leader Themistocles that they won at all.
But do politicians play fair? And do people think?
This happened in Greece in 480 BC. And yet, how American does it sound!
But people who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane see now you are going on a tyrade. think about what you are suggesting. you mention afghanistan and iraq and then ask what we could do in iran? what you are implying is borderline starting WWIII. we can not take over the middle east. it will ruin our country to try. and iran is NOT going to halt nuclear research unless they are stopped. is it a scary idea? yes. but ron paul is right, the alternative is worse. its inevitable they will get it. do we want to be enemies when they do?
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@Kurtlane in the US we are willing to support the freedom of others, but there are people behind the scenes in america profiting from some of these uprisings and publicizing them in a good light to gain support. who is to say the rebels we fund in libya are going to run the country more humane than gaddafi? we allied with them because they agreed to work with us, but who is to say that wont change after they take control? its not our place to police the middle east, we have our own problems.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist , I already tolds you, we will be enemies when they get nukes. They need us as enemies. This is the one thing in it that is not up to us.
And if America gives in to their current demands, they will put forward even tougher ones. And so on, until they either destroy us or finally hit a wall we put up. And if they do, then, bloated by our previous appeasement, they won't think much of sxtarting a war, or launching nukes - anything at all.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
The examples of this fill entire human history. From fall of Sung dinasty China to triple division of Poland to Nazi Germany's conquest of Czechislovakia and Soviet conquest of the Baltic states and WWII that followed it, to the recent Intifadah in Israel to... Appeasement is the fastest route to war and to self-annihilation.
So who is borderline starting WWIII, me or Ron Paul?
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
9/11 was the result of withdrawing all attention from Afghanistan. Not just food aid, or aid in general. Much more than that.
One thing still good about American government is that it gives so little foreign aid. Overwhelming amount of American aid comes from private sources. In Europe, it's the other way around.
All the more surprising (well, not really) the attention Ron Paul and his followers give to foreign aid.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
I am not necessarily that crazy about this thing in Libya, but then what would you do otherwise? It's easy to just sit back and criticize. You say it might turn around to hurt us? It might. But then, non-involvment too might turn around to hurt us. Like it did in Afghanistan.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
About Iran getting nukes: have you heard of Stuxnet? Whoever did it, and however suxessful this is in the long run, stuxnet, has stopped it. And it came about because someone thought and thought of stopping it, instead of just giving up like Ron Paul.
About human rights: this is something I used to be into for a long time. Let me tell you: there are horrendous human rights abuses in many many places in the world.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
The worst are North Korea and Sudan. Afghanistan under Taliban was also among the worst. Close second come anti-American governments of Syria, Libya (yes, Gaddafi), Iraq under Saddam, Saudi Arabia, Iran, as well as Vietnam, Laos, Cuba. Close third: China, Burma and many others.
Overall, if you look carefully, this is the same picture media presents.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Except for one country, which is more accused of human rights abuses than any other, and yet is more innocent of them than almost any other: Israel.
Of course, media (overwhelmingly liberal and hounded by leftist extremists) plays with this picture. It minimizes or outright whitewashes anti-American regimes, while heaping abuse on America and Israel. But this is the media.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Of course, media (overwhelmingly liberal and hounded by leftist extremists) plays with this picture. It minimizes or outright whitewashes anti-American regimes, while heaping abuse on America and Israel. But this is the media.
What does " US pollutes the media" mean? Who is this "US?" US government? The media itself? Our country as a whole?
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Most of the media is by now a cesspool. It doesn't need the government to polute it, it has poluted itself. If any governments have helped to pollute it, it's Soviet, Saudi, Chinese, Iraqi, Cuban, Venezuelan and other governments. Not the U.S.
This is not Soviet Union, for goodness sake!
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
You live here in America, and yet you repeat the old Soviet (and not only Soviet) approach: If I have a headache, or if there is anything wrong anywhere, it must be the work of "The Evil Hand of Washington."
What a strange distorted view you have.
This is your problem: your view is all distorted. This is why you support Ron Paul.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane hold on, are you out of your fucking mind? are you trying to convince me that "the leftist media" has it out for israel? sorry but youre wrong. if anything, american media largely supports israel. what an ass you are to accuse me of blaming "everything" on the government. when have i done that? the only things ive blamed on the american government are those it was involved in. my view is distorted? youve got such a boner for israel you cant see its ugly side.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@Kurtlane see, your logic is flawed. you act like ron paul is going to appease iran. ron paul would not give in to foreign pressure. i cant say how he would respond to the situation, but appeasement is low on the list of likely outcomes in my opinion. by the way, would you rather we keep our current approach of funding and arming middle eastern rebels in hopes of sparking a revolution and regime change and hope they dont betray us? i think that is a much more dangerous form of appeasement.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@Kurtlane there are reasons for foreign countries to not get along with the US other than some desire to feel important. i dont believe 9/11 was merely a result of withdrawing aid. the "human righs violations" i was referring to take place all the time. most recetly, libya. it is almost impossible in the western world to have an unbiased opinion of what is happening in these countries on the brink of revolution when the US pollutes the media and puts a slant on the story.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
THe Jew hating conspiratorial comments here reveal who Ron Paul's supporters are and what the man himself is about.
Kurtlane 7 months ago
@Kurtlane Way to assume and make an ass out of yourself. Jews are fine by me.
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Kurtlane 7 months ago
@Kurtlane you are ridiculous. what did ron paul ever do to harm the jewish community? dont be stupid.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, Ron Paul's frequent and ridiculous statements re. Israel and his thinly veiled talk about Jewish lobby controlling America speak for themselves.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are teh only two congressmen who refused to sign resolution calling on the UN Security Council to sanction Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for his threats against Israel on June 21, 2007.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Ron Paul is the only congressman to vote against resolution expressing support for Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties, and rule of law. He is the only congressman to vote against giving Rosa Parks congressional gold medal.
More important is the support he gets from David Duke and other neo-Nazi, KKK and similar types.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Ron Paul received $500 donation from Don Black (founder, owner and operator of Stormfront). His articles have been appearing in American Free Press (Willis Carto) for years. He is endorsed by Hutton Gibson.
David Duke's website calls Ron Paul "our king"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
According to Bill White, "Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays as part of a dinner that was originally organized by Patrick Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens....
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
(cont. quote from Bill White)
"Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Graphics used on the "Bay Area Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty" website in conjunction with the April 15, 2009 TEA Party in San Mateo. The image pictured a bucket of money being poured into a funnel with a Star of David on it, which in turn drips blood into a bottle where a person holding a Palestinian flag is seen drowning in blood. The text reads "Uncle Sam Reminds You: KEEP PAYING TAXES. The ongoing extermination of Palestinian Children Can't be Done Without Your Help"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Finally, just look at the posts below. Not one or two crazy Jew-hating comments, but a huge load. These are Ron Paul's supporters. And with supporters like these, and with the man himself doing nothing to distance himself from them…
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane you need to distinguish between jew-hating and anti-israel. israel is CORRUPT. you can be against israel while still supporting those of jewish faith. i assume you meant the donation was more than $500, thats insignificant. there is a lot of middle eastern drama, and many people want to act like israel is the force of righteousness that is upholding good. i dont know a whole lot about the situation, but i know israels hands are far from clean. its not our problem to meddle in.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, I do know a lot about the situation. Compared to all of its neighbors, Israel's hands are superclean.
Israel is corrupt? And I suppose the US is not? The latest I looked at corruption index, Denmark was least corrupt (number 1), the U.S. was number 17, and Israel - number 19. Israel's neighbors were way towards the bottom.
Ron Paul's statements re. Jewish lobby controlling the U.S. are not really about Israel.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
His neo-Nazi, KKK, etc. supporters are full of hatred against Jews as Jews, here, in Israel, or anywhere else.
Finally, here are some comments from this very forum:
Probuilt7 :" We're letting jews destroy our country, just like they destroyed another country that shall not be named."
sonicretrolove: "Down with the Illuminati/Zionist Satanic Jews!"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Nadav34: "This man wants to destroy the JEW federal reserve and bring down the IRS!!! I say, this is AMERICA'S last hope before the NEW WORLD ORDER."
aguafinatv :" Well Im just glad that I am not a fucking sheep that listens to the Jewish own bias media like my fellow N. Americans."
Is this about Israel, or about American or all Jews?
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane first, you cant assume anything about anyone based on youtube comments on a video of them talking. yes there is a lot of anti jewish talk here, but what all sensible people here realize is it is a few jewish people who are fucking over the country that are being referred to. and theyre not all jewish. and that isnt to say all jewish people are bad. israel has been an excuse for us to stick our nose in the middle east for a long time in the opinion of myself and many others.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, first, who says I cant assume anything about anyone based on youtube comments? Yes I can, and I will. Judging political candidates by their constituents is as old as politics, and quite reliable.
Second, there are few sensible people here. Mostly raving lunatics.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Third, playing "I'm not against all Jewish people, only against those (choose any one you like) Talmudists, Pharisees, blood-drinkers, poisoners of Mohammed, Hasidim, Ashkenazi, Khazaar, capitalists, communists, socialists, religious fanatics, godless atheists, Bolshevics, cosmopolitans, Zionists, neo-con cabal, etc. is an old old excuse of Jew-haters.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
They pretend not to hate all Jews but all those they hate are Jews. They always talk of "only some Jews" and end up repressing or massacring all they can.
Now you yourself have crossed the line into Jew-hatred.
If Ron Paul clearly spoke only about getting our nose out of the Middle East, that'd be a different story. Sometimes he does, And sometimes he doesn't, taking sides. And his constituency clearly doesn't.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane maybe you can judge some by their constituents, but you need to account for the massive amount of trolls out there, ESPECIALLY on youtube. i dont believe its accurate to judge an internet campaign by the comments of the audience. "massace"? i think that might be a little bit exaggerated. dont accuse me of racism, it just makes you look stupid. i am clearly not a racist. ron paul does not "hate only jews" you sound like a fanatic yourself, stop jumping to so many conclusions.
tehgreatist 6 months ago
@tehgreatist, There are lots of trolls everywhere on youtube, but why are there more yet in every Ron Paul video? And why are they all so much for the man?
And why do David Duke and company openly and consistently supporting him?
Nothing is exaggerated about massacres.
Jewish history is packed with them. American history includes quite a few massacres of American indians and blacks.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
I don't know whether you know that the very synagogue in the U.S. includes an underground passage for people to escape, should it be surrounded and set on fire. That passage has never been used. So far.
But Leo Frank was lynched in 1915 for being a Jew.
The times they are a-changing now, and they're not a-changing for the better. Especially if Ron Paul gets into power.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@Kurtlane yes, there has been massacre in the history of america and jews, i never said otherwise. i said your claim that ron paul is promoting the massacre of jews is without a doubt exaggerated. to imply we would have a 9/11 by electing ron paul is pretty heinous in itself. there is a difference between "its harder than i thought" and "this is not possible, and we are fucking ourselves over and making people hate us in the process, time to stop."
tehgreatist 6 months ago
This man wants to destroy the JEW federal reserve and bring down the IRS!!! I say, this is AMERICA'S last hope before the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Nadav34 8 months ago 3
Check out his voting record...
Ron Paul's the only person there who doesn't shit from both ends.
PiggySpeed 9 months ago 2
Email all your contacts Ron Paul videos!!!!
trupzz 10 months ago
The one who bails out the banks and grovels for AIPAC and keeps ties to Saudi royals and other Middle Eastern oil producers shall become President of the U.S.S.A.
Continued government growth and military overstretch is the new Conservatism.
bradchesney11 11 months ago
how is he not recognized as the best candidate by the people?
cannabisour 11 months ago 10
@cannabisour i think he is. .its the media that TRIES to make you think he has no chance when he actually has the only chance to beat Obama(with the candidates that have entered so far. . as of 8-27
theeturnone 6 months ago
Hang obama from the nearest tree.
flickyoli 1 year ago
@flickyoli ok, crazy guy on youtube, i'm going now.
clairemadeinheaven 9 months ago
i like obama.
Cokeylata 1 year ago
What a weasel.
moshe219 1 year ago
He'll be a greater factor in 2012 than he was in 08. Too bad the establishment will pull every dirty trick in the book to prevent it.
But America is waking up, and they KNOW IT
Stucifer 1 year ago 6
Owned, GJ man, the truth will set us free.
RoboBagons 1 year ago
I would get an american citizenship just to vote ron paul in.
skydome29 1 year ago 2
i uploaded this video. its time to spread awareness of the Constitution, Civil Liberties, and Economic Freedom. the people need to be reawakened and reminded.
Ron Paul 2012
ronpaulfan1 1 year ago
scrw that fox news guy. hes a closet liberal. it just goes to show you how fukced up this country has become when someone who wants to defened the CONSTITUTION and CIVIL LIBERTIES is somehow unelectable.......
Ron Paul 2012
ronpaulfan1 1 year ago
@ronpaulfan1 your looking at a true constitutionalist, neither democrat nor republican in their present definitions.
skydome29 1 year ago
Stupid republicans never valued Ron Paul.
ZeraToolSC 1 year ago
@ZeraToolSC
On the RedState blog, her was recently labeled "al-Qaeda's favorite congressman" because he spoke out in favor of Wikileaks.
There are several issues that I don't agree with Mr. Paul about, but he does seem to have the idea that transparency and civil liberties are paramount correct.
S201676 1 year ago
What a bad ass Ron Paul you will for ever live on in history
humanequilibrium 1 year ago
@humanequilibrium
I don't think he's laughing and neither am I or the others out here that know our country is f****ed and will go down in flames because we couldn't stop the military-industrial-banking NWO machine that has taken over. The dollar will most likely collapse this year, and maybe even before the summer. And look at what's going on right now in the Middle East. If the oil supply is cut off/disrupted, it will effect every aspect of our lives in the US and start the collapse.
willhahn 1 year ago
just like peter schiff predicting the crash, ron paul get the last laugh.
mtube620 1 year ago
im a canadian and i dont follow US politic much. but when i see a man like ron paul telling u guys like it is, no coloration, i would vote him regardless what party he's from. why o why you americans don't elect this great man ron paul, like 10 years ago??
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cheap3shotproduction 1 year ago
PONED!!! score 1 for Ron Paul, and 0 for the idiot with huge ears, and a shitty haircut!
Lonnie12345 1 year ago
I can't believe I went for McCain in 2008! I was STUPID! Ron Paul 2012. This guy is amazing.
cadeservesbetter 1 year ago
@cadeservesbetter Really? That only made you stupid in 2008 and stupid again in 2012.
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throwingshit 1 year ago
Ron Paul is the man. WE need more true Americans like this guy. How fucking disrespectful was it to laugh at him . He is an honest man who cares about America. Yeah. That's so fucking funny. I hope he gets elected one day.
EliteDefenseInc 1 year ago
C R Y S T A L C L E A R i've never heard it put so succinctly ! GO RAND!
anothercountyheard 1 year ago
Im am not a very political person....in fact, I am a bit apathetic but I still play along hoping for some sort of change. But MAN...this RON PAUL, I would vote for him AGAIN any day of the week! I love what he stands for and I RESPECT him...and IM A DEMOCRAT!
thejetshowlive 1 year ago
Im am not a very political person....in fact, I am a bit apathetic but I still play along hoping for some sort of change. But MAN...this RON PAUL, I would vote for him AGAIN any day of the week! I love what he stands for and I RESPECT him...and IM A DEMOCRATE!
thejetshowlive 1 year ago
world dont need politicians. They were good 200 years ago, when people were ignorant. Now its time for scienze and a new world order without
politics, religions, and without monetary system. All three brings just war, and we dont like war.
For more search google for venus project.
Peace
DontKillEarth 1 year ago
fuck obama ron paul is real change
stpthreat1 1 year ago 3
i hate that everytime someone famous talks the truth they portrait him as a madman
ThaGameZkiller 1 year ago
How many voted for Ron? I bet almost all here who voted for a Republican voted for one of the other more electable candidates. Only now does the light shine, when he spoke people in the crowd thought he sounded crazy. Well look what happens when you pull the lever for the "R" behind the name. You get a full blown FASCIST elected .along with all the corporate cronies. Good-bye AMERICA.
stupidwhitemanjesus 1 year ago
RON PAUL IS MY PRESIDENT!!!!
Tdubbin04 1 year ago
The world needs more politicians like Ron Paul.
EcstasioMusic 1 year ago
I LOVE RON PAUL
gjh101 1 year ago
I wish I voted for him last time...if he runs again I will for sure!
NHMoldInspector 1 year ago 3
The only man in American politics that has actually read the Constitution.
DutchLibertarian 1 year ago 4
I am not even american, but i would vote for Ron Paul in 2012 all day!
TheKoolT 2 years ago 6
Viewers of this video are strongly recommended to look at this video /watch?v=NX_UKdqoa_o ..
kallesmamm 2 years ago
Ron Paul was the ONLY chance the US had at the last election. Now we all see, that not listen to Ron Paul was a mistake.
Listen to his warnings during this TV discussion and see how right he was. With our knowledge after the banking bail outs etc. we learned a hard lesson, did we not?
Olympicgardens 2 years ago 4
I did listen. He is the only one that voted NO to the Iraq war.
SpringChatty 2 years ago
Well Im just glad that I am not a fucking sheep that listens to the Jewish own bias media like my fellow N. Americans. I never and would never vote for a guy like Obama that guy is so bought out by BIG corps. wall street etc. Lets not forget that Obama works for us, so we can impeach his ass. I wanted someone like Dennis Kucinich, Matt Gonzalez, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader to be our president. Heck even Bill Richardson would have been a better choice. Impeach OBAMA!!
aguafinatv 1 year ago
@aguafinatv Yeah, but as Clinton has taught us, impeachment doesn't do shit.
sskoza 1 year ago
its sad that hes the only one that is not corrupt
kallesmamm 2 years ago 27
Yea Ron Paul!! Ron Paul 2012
tip862 2 years ago 34
This man is the real American,Charlie Gibson is a loose lipped pussy and should be put to rest in the green room serving crumpetts to the guest of King Barry.Why did CBS cancel the last 4 debates with 2 republican canidates remaining?why didn't Fox stand up and scream foul,when this happened? Oh Yeah they are balls to wall conservatives ,too....
isthatfunny 2 years ago 2
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"The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN
result321 2 years ago 2
GO RON PAUL !
Last BRAVE AMERICAN standing.
"Your are a DEN OF VIPERS I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will ROUT YOU OUT. If the people only understood the rank injustice of your money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."
US President Andrew Jackson 1829-1837
KILL THE FEDERAL PERVERSE BANK.
result321 2 years ago 14
@result321 Ditto
indiemuzochick 1 year ago
Typical FOX Bullshit. Denigrate the opposition if its against the neo-con, anti-freedom, corporate fascist, military industrial complex machine that McCain and Obama are all about.
danieljh 2 years ago 2
awesome ron! put him on the spot and he's even better.
electricgenius 2 years ago 4
ron bob should be usas president! he is the right one and he is what everyone thought obama was. he is the one that will stop the wars and make peace!
ThaGameZkiller 2 years ago 5
a libertarian got in the back door of the debates - wow! no wonder the power tries to squash him. I hope enough people wake up to liberty before it's all gone again.
freebob3 2 years ago 4