I guess the faith in man, leads the man to pray (to humble himself before God Almightly) and to admit to God that he (man) is a sinner and to admit that the man needs a Saviour (he misses the mark). The prayer means nothing without faith and the only one knows about that - is God. God knows our heart and he knows what we believe and if we believe the Word of God.
People always want to add to the gospel since they are self-righteous. We need HIS righteousness to be saved and this is what Eph 2:8-9 states. I'm glad you added in Romans in your video, that faith cometh by the Word of God. Great video.
I hadn't seen this comment, that is why I am late in commenting on it. Thank you for the comment. Yes, the Holy Ghost will produce the fruits of the Spirit if we yield to Him.
I have not heard of those words in YEARS. "Yield to him". I remember my preacher while at First Baptist Church of Hammond, the words would flow out like honey from preacher (Bro. Hyles) and he's say that he'd "yield to the Holy Spirit" seven times a day.(This was back in 1997-2001).
Can you imagine what Christians would be doing if we ALL yeilded to the Holy Spirit just 3 times a day? To walk where He wants us to walk? To talk about what He wants to talk about?
sin is n0t what we d0. is wh0 we are.. He didnt die f0r us t0 st0p sinning, but t0 save us fr0m 0urselves. we are free in Christ 0f religi0us eff0rts, fr0m trying n0t t0 sin f0r it is HIS w0rk and HIM in us.
Why are using the 'zero' key instead of the 'o' key?
But what you said is correct. We must yield ot the Holy Ghost to stop sinning and when we do so, we are controlled by Him and He bears the fruit.(Rom.6:16, Gal. 5:22-23)
I agree with you that is all we need to do to be Saved is to believe on Jesus. We don't even need to be baptized. Sanctification is the process of becoming like the one we Love.
James 1:18 - Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Romans 12:3 -
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
2 Thess. 3:2 - And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.
Nowhere is faith said to be a gift, salvatioin is said to be a gift (Rom.5)
Again, 1Cor.12 is speaking of spiritual gifts given to those ALREADY saved and some of those gifts were temporaly, used in the early church to discern doctrines before the NT was completed.
Those gifts in 1Cor.12:9-10 were clearly temporary gifts that were removed when the Canon was completed.
Verse 8. By grace ye are saved through faith - Grace, without any respect to human worthiness, confers the glorious gift. Faith, with an empty hand, and without any pretense to personal desert, receives the heavenly blessing. And this is not of yourselves - This refers to the whole preceding clause, That ye are saved through faith, is the gift of God.
One last comment. I chose KJV for your benefit. Not sure if you could tell. Also it is apparent you are ok with believing your own lies without researching. It figures someone tries to chime in after I am getting ready to leave...typical. I leave you with 2 Timothy 2:25 - read it in the version that you can understand. If you wish to speak about me after I leave that is fine, just know you will be held accountable.
1, you didn't use the KJB for 2Pe.1:1, which left out the word 'precious
2. I don't care what version you use, just name what it is
3. I have done more then enough research on Calvinism to know it is a lie
4.This is a comment board and people other then you have a right to make comments. Every Calvinist thinks everything revolves around HIM and then they claim to be 'humble'
5.When I deal with Calvinists I use Tit.1:13 'rebuke then sharply'
I cease to be amazed at the depths these TULIP sniffers and Bible correctors will condescend to not deal with the Book as it stands. As you have correctly and brilliantly stated previously Edward: "reading modern Bibles rots the brain".
They all must correct the English with the Greek which doesnt exist or they must become English grammarians and make something read in a manner that it was not intended to be understood.
I have been thinking about this comment a lot lately and I would like your response on the question. My answer is God is just and He is perfect, so I know that it is not up to me.
If God does the choosing and is in control and let's say He does not save your family, would you find fault in Him?
You must be confusing me with a Cavlnist, which I am not. Each individual is responsible for his own eternal future since God has made it possible for all men to be saved by faith.
Uhhh no, but I was curious your answer. I think I can conclude what your answer is...so you believe in order for God to be just every person has to have that chance to believe? You would likely blame God if that choice was not there according to your theology...correct?
You appear to worship God because of the ability to choose, but if that is not right then just let me know.
Every man does have a chance to believe and since they do, God isn't responsible for their choice not to.
God would be blamed if there was no chance for someone to be saved, as the Calvinists teach with unconditional election.
God is just and wants all men to be saved.
I worship God because He IS GOD and that includes all the attributes that make up God, such as Love and goodness. Not the false god of TULIP which creates man just to damn most and then claim 'glory' for it.
You summed up your faulty doctrine pretty well. I appreciate your input as I just wanted to understand a little more about it. I have no harsh words for you as I will leave that to you. I am done and I wish you well.
I worship God because He is worthy and if He chose to send me to hell I would still worship Him.
I appreciate your demeanor and the fact we can discuss despite our differences. Let our faith be in nothing but Christ. I am sure our paths will cross again.
God is just and perfect that is why He ISN'T the God depicted by Calvinism.
I guess if you believed in unconditional election and God didn't save your family, you wouldn't find fault in Him?
That is why many Calvinist's have water baptism for infants, to bring the infants into the same 'saving' covenant with the 'elect'. So they found a way around God not choosing their own children to be saved. They simply convinced themselves that water baptism symbolized unconditional election.
Did you really just use John 6:40 to support your weak stance? Why not go a little further and see who Christ was speaking about? John 6:44-46- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
No, Jn.6:40 states very clearly that it was the Father's wil that all be saved. And that the reason was due to the fact that the JEWS rejected the scriptures
'And ye will not come to me, that ye may have eternal life....But if ye believe not his writings how shall ye believe my works' (jn.5:40, 47)
So, when you hear the Gospel you are responsible for RESPONDING to the truth of those words with faith.
Now your ignorance is shining through. That is not what I believe. I believe that I deserve the heaviest punishment possible. No one deserves heaven and no one deserves a chance, which evidently you think mankind deserves. God saves some for His glory. You are missing the whole point of Salvation. It is not about us, but HIM!
That is exactly what you believe, since you have been 'chosen' for no objective reason. So, save the pious talk. Is God sending the rest of your family to hell and just saving you?
No, you are missing the whole point of the salvation, that God wants all men to be saved and died for all men and all men are savable.
It is all about God saving men despite who they are. God receives all the glory and He is just in everything. Your conclusion is so ridiculous that it deserves no further attention other than one question.
Calvinism isn't about God saving men despite who they are, since according to Calvinism God made men who they are for His own glory.
So, again, you have made God responsible for sin and death and then claim He is to be glorfied because He chose (for no objective reason) to save some and let the rest go to the Lake of Fire.
Calvinism loves to tell partial truths, hoping that one will not ask the ultimate question, why doesn't God save ALL?
If God saves you as the result of anything you do, then He is responding out of obligation. And, that is not grace. Grace must be totally and utterly unmerited.
John 6:64-65 - But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
If a person becomes humble enough to submit to God it is because God has given that person a new, humble nature.
I could also go into the Greek context of Eph 2:8-9 which I am sure you will refute. You are boasting in your wise righteous choice no matter how you look.
The simple fact is that there is nothing in the first phrase -- "For by grace you have been saved through faith" - that matches "that" in gender. As James White points out in his excellent exegesis of this text, "grace" is feminine and "have been saved" is a masculine participle. So, there's only one possible outcome that satisfies all of the data, grammar and choice of language: the neuter demonstrative pronoun "that" encompasses and refers back to the entirety of the preceding clause.
'The reference seems, however, to be neither to the one nor to the other, but to the subject of the foregoing clause, salvation by grace, through faith in Christ and his gospel;... And to show that this interpretation is not a mere novelty, I need only refer the reader to Theophylact, who thus explains: 'He does not say that faith is the gift of God; but to be saved by faith, this is the gift of God.' Such also is the view adopted by Chrysostom and Theodoret."
Romans 4 - states in verses I-8 that Abraham was justified by faith not works. Then in verses 9-17 that he was justified by grace not law. And then in verses 18-25, that he was justified by divine effort, not human effort.
2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
The 'faith' being discussed there is the 'body of doctrines', not individual faith.
'Whom resist stedfast in the faith'
1Pe.5:9
And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.'
Acts 16:5
Context will tell you what the word faith is referring to. Sometimes it refers to individual faith and sometimes to the common PRECIOUS faith of Christian doctrines,
It seems whatever version you are usng left out the word 'precious'
Consider your conversion vs. Spurgeon - Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, I ascribe my change wholly to God
That was the Kingdom gospel, not the Gospel of grace. The Jews rejected the second offer of the Kingdom (Acts 7) and the gospel of grace was then preached instead.
The church was still a mystery, only revealed to Paul (Eph.3)
Author was not the best use of words, but you get the point....We act in belief, but God is the cause. With sin it is different, nice try, but terrible arugument. Due to our DEAD sinful nature we sin. Saving faith is trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and for eternal life with God. Try and get a dead man to do that...LOL!
My comments on what believing means is contrary what you believe. By believing you realize your need for a Savior.
When you look at the Greek words that refer to faith/belief, in which a lost sinner must place in the Lord Jesus in order to be saved, they include; the act of considering the Lord Jesus worthy of trust as to His character & motives, the act of placing confidence in His ability to do just what He says He will do, & the act of committing the work of saving his soul to the care of the Lord.
And how is that different then the English usage of the word?
What must I DO to be saved?
Every person must DO something to be saved, they must BELIEVE the Gospel, and that is not a work, that is simply receving the free gift of salvation.
When somone gives you a gift, you have to RECEIVE it, that doesn't mean you EARNED or DESERVED the gift. The giver of the gift gets the thanks for the gift, and you receive the benefits of the gift.
So in saying that faith and repentance are Gods gifts to a believer, we are not to think of them as some sort of material, tangible stuff that comes gift-wrapped with a red ribbon! The Bible portrays faith and repentance as Gods gifts to His in order to emphasize that, although we are the author of these actions, God is the ultimate cause.
The gift of God is salvation which we receive by faith. Nothing is ever said about faith being God's gift. But even if it were, it doesn't mean it couldn't be rejected as well. You don't want faith as a gift, you want IRRESISTABLE grace which produces faith, as a gift.
We are the 'author 'but God is ultimate cause'?
Do you even know what the word 'author' means? You are either the author (creator) of something or not.
So, I guess God is REALLY the 'ultimate cause' for your sins as well?
You mentioned previously that no dead man could repent. How could a dead man believe? You do not understand what it means to believe according to Scriptures. You quote Ephesians 2:8-9 as a continual source, but fail to quote Ephesians 2:5 - where it states a believer has been quickened. Can you do that yourself too! Lordship Salvation is not about works. The debate is over the order of salvation. You coax dead people into trying to believe something they cannot see without God's intervention.
No man can repent of his SINS before he is saved since he needs to have a new nature to do so.
An spiritually dead man is quickened when by the Gospel when the words of God enter into him and with them God's life (Ja.1:18, 1Pe.1:23,) which he must receive by faith(Rom.10:17)
Eph.2:5 simply says we were quickened with Christ, since we now have HIS life in us.(Jn.5:24)
God does 'intervene'- with His WORDS.
How can someone elected from eternity be born without hope? (Eph.2:12)
Yes, salvation is by faith alone, but you are over simplifying what God has done in a person. We are saved by God's grace which is a gift. You stated faith is not a gift, so so you boast in your decision to believe that you were smarter than the person next to you. Oh that poor sinner you might say!
That's right, its been about faith since day one people... day one!
That is why we see people in the Old testament called "righteous", if u notice one thing they have in common, and its stated, is faith.
Also note that people have been trying to add to the gospel since day one as well! most of the New testament is letters setting peoples "views" straight.
Its our nature, but through Christ, we can do all things. Have faith brothers and sister!
I have been living in constance fear for almost a year because of this. Its awful. I needed to hear this brother.
Thank you!
Is there anything I can do about this constant guilt? This constant feeling of not being worthy to the point that I wont be saved? Its driving me crazy.
I do pray for strength and conviction every now and then, i wonder if thats what it is! Who knows. Any advice would rock though :)
Simply believe what Christ, the Son of God, did for YOU on the Cross, He paid for YOUR sins, died, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day to show that the Father has accepted His blood sacrifice.
The price has been paid, all you have to do is in the saving work of Christ!
'These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God' (1Jn.5:13)
great video bro, i see that you have come across a few disagreements on this issue but i believe you are spot on
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I am going to do a followup dealing with a recent chick tract I received and it's contradictions, on the one hand saying that salvation is simple, all one has to is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and then stating that one must 'be willing to turn from sin' and through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal saviour' using Rom.10:13 as a proof text!
A soul winner should lead a person through the scriptures and then let the Holy Spirit deal with him.
2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
keep up the great work you are doing for the LORD !!!
Amen, brother. Even when Jesus preached and did miracles, there were people who did not believe. You can't make "soul winning" your objective, but you can make the information available.
Yes, we are to put out the 'seed' of God's word. We don't know what kind of 'soil' it is going to fall upon or how long it will take before it results in faith.
'And he said, So is the Kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should spring up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself, first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear'(Mk.4:26-28)
Yes, the Gentiles AS A GROUP were granted the right to turn to God, but repentence wasn't a requirement, as the Gospel given to Cornilus clearly shows.
Repentence isn't mentioned.
The Gospel went first to the Jews and then the Gentiles and the Gentiles were excited to know that God was now receiving them as well as the Jews (Acts 13, 17)
Faith is something the individual is responsible for producing and it comes by the word of God (Rom.10:17)
I haven't? I thought I have been very clear. Before one is saved, sin is preached to tell someone they are spiritually dead and on the way to hell. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We sin because we are SINNERS, dead in Adam.
So, Christ is the only issue, not forsaking one personal sins.
It is our position in the 1st Adam (death) that must change to being in the 2nd Adam and life.
Dealing with personal sin is a GROWTH issue, not a salvation issue.
I think we have two different views of what repentance means, hence why we can't seem to agree. As this is your video, please would you state what you hold repentance to be?
Recently I ran across some *extremely* interesting historical info regarding the historicity KJV of the Bible, William Tyndale's role in the 1611 copy...I am convinced more than ever it is the truest English text of the Word of God.
Also I noticed, since the devil is the author of confusion, having so many "versions" is confusing
2)Do see in all this bitterness towards true Evangelism by Calvinism, you just threw away something that is clearly n the Word of God.
What is simple about it? You made it difficult. This is no biblical repentence Edward. Making fun of the "soulwinner". The "soul Winner" are just that a "Soul Winner". Which is good thing. Do you realize what you are saying? "If the righteous are scarely saved. What will be the sinner and the unrighteous?"
I am denying the modern concept of the soul winner that keeps numbers. I believe that since numbers now have become important the soul winner looks for some assurance for HIMSELF that person is indeed saved, so he can count it. Hence, the 'formula's that have been developed.
Do you agree that no one can truely know they have won someone to Christ until they see them produce fruit?
I haven't thrown anything away! The old way of evangelism was to preach the Gospel, not to count converts. The local church exists to grow up those who are truely saved. In the days of the Apostles and Wesley and Whitfield, they had openfield preaching and no one was asked to come forward to make a 'decision'. The true Gospel was being taught since it provoked both a response and a reaction.
And those who were saved found churches to grow in and a real revival took place.
again Edward U are wrong. Peter gave a open invitation right there in act 2. 3000 souls were added that day.Not a Joel Osteen meeting.True salvation. 3000 souls. Very Precious to the Lord.
Then you are just critizing and making up faults. No its wrong with true proven evangelism. U just believe the lies told on youtube.But you hurt the kingdom with all this pride and unforgiveness. It's stupid to critiize, claimimg you care so much. This whole thing is of the Devil to stop Evangelism.
There is no old way or one way. Jesus preached to thousand. in acts 3000 and 5000 sould came to Lord in on day.
Then you no needs to repent. You mean to tell in the old days when people were more God fearing no one ever repented of anything during a revival. And we do make a decison. God say. come let us reason togther. Will or not, how is man to come to repentence. By hearing the Word of God. Evangelist. But fiathis credited to us as righteousness calling us friends. Not willless robots.
Yes, man must make a personal decision, what I am saying is that there was never an issue of numbers.
So I am not disputing that all can be saved by faith, but that the Gospel is simple and direct. The modern soul winners have made it complicated because THEY want assurance that person is saved but there is no assurance apart from that person bearing actual fruit.
1)But don't you see two things. Y lump all Evanglism. U say Moderned Evagleist. So any and all. And you comparere to past. When we had no other transporation than a horse. U made a Mistake about John Wesly, he was a fire brand Methodist that countered Johnathan Edwards "Sinner in hands of a Angry God". Yes Gos was angry with that generation. Why? Pride, Unbelief and Freemasonary. But he wanted to save them. So god is God or Wrath and Love. He knew men were weak and their have all gone astray.
2)All I see is this demanding men understand they way we commited christians do. Put with the morden world comes, even more things to distract us, suduce us, and decieved us. Rememeber all that is demanded of the gentile believer was faith repentence, stay away from Sexual immoratilty, blood of of animals, and worship of Idols. Even idols in the heart.
So as long as it true biblical Evangelism, not taking away or adding. All Evangelism is Good. Tracts, bibles,Prayer. street. All good.
Then, no one is claiming numbers except silly alter calls at Christian Rock concerts. That's not real Evangelism. They charge at the door for their services. But
the stuff you were saying was not true.
Today, I doubt the numbers people are quoting. They are not preaching a straight gospel. But even in the bible numbers like 3000 and 5000 were attributied. So it's not good to boast or dismiss in numbers. Just be a missionary. Old new it's all good. Just stay away from purpose/emergent stuff.
'Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand' (Acts.4:4)
And the faith that you speak of in Abraham, was a mature faith, that came in Gen.22. He was saved in Gen.15.
To many soul winners are claiming converts who have only made a profession of faith, they haven't produced the fruit that shows that faith. (Mat.13:18-23)
Edward, U can not be a "soulwinner" if converts are false by number.Speaking of converts. Only God Converts the soul. the "soul winner" is a embassdor that Christ sends to give the Word of God that leads to life. U also contradict everything U said in your very own video. U stressed they did not have repent, but merely confess faith or believe. The repentence the confession to make the act of turning away from sin. But U said they did not need to "repent" as U belittled this. Done
The fact is that no one knows a soul is won unless that person bears fruit. The soul winner may 'harvest' what someone else has 'sown' but the fact is that he cannot be sure until fruit is produced.
No where is it said that one has to repent of their sins. One has to believe on the atoning Blood of Christ. Sin is an issue for growth, not salvation. That one sins shows that one is spiritually dead and needs a saviour, but one cannot deal with those sins until AFTER you are saved
"The fact is that no one knows a soul is won unless that person bears fruit:, Pau Washer I presume. I herad him say something like that. That ia not true. 1)John #;16-21, and Roman 10:9-13 tells peole how to be saved. 3) Now scripture. It those who believe. It's Grace alon, through faith alone. Now you made a works gospel. Determined by the likes of you and Paul Washer.
Stop listening Washer. Go by the Word of God. And walk in love.
Those verses tell someone HOW to be saved but that doesn't mean the person IS saved.
Now, the Bible is clear that fruit SHOWS one is saved (Mat.13:23)
'My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and truth.
And hereby we KNOW that we are of the truth, and shall ASSURE our hearts before him...beloved, of our hearts condemn us not, THEN we have confidence toward God'(1Jn.3:19,21)
So, you are confusing being saved with KNOWING on is saved.
How to be saved for those who believe. It ios very clear. If the believe confess and repent they will be saved. "Who so ever calls upon the lord will be saved". Who beleiveth on him will have eternal life. You have contradicted yourself in everything you said. Now, we are arguing the opposite of what you said. You said they did not need to repent. But the word says they need to.
And fruit does not save you. That would be a works system. Then who but God would determine that fruit Edward?
Saying one has to bear fruit to SHOW one is saved, is not a 'works gospel'. It is a Biblical fact that no one can tell anyone has been saved until they see their fruit.
The Gospel is simply to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for yours sins and was buried and rose from the dead.
If someone believes that they are saved, but in order to others to know that and for their own assurance, they need to bear fruit.
Romans 10: 9-13. 1john 1:7-10, Mark 16: 16 Act 2:37-40
This getting riduculus. You have repent of you sins. You have to believe. To merely believe with out repentence means you have not renounce your sins. Just self righteous. Discredit Evangelist and hold to Calvinism, you made a mistake and misqouted clear scripture.
It clearly calls sinners to repentence. The sinner prayer helps those who do not know how to pray. But It's God that does the saving.
I do agree with you, brother, but my fear is without true repentance, we're simply adding false converts into the church and this is where my text (Matt. 7:21-23) comes into being again.
excatholics' "Matt 7:21-23 has lost people calling Jesus Lord" -- yes, this is true. But what she said to Christ is different, & so is 1 Cor 12:3 (see chapter context). She ADMITS He is Lord. Greek verb is "lalew" in 1Cor12:3 -- UNDER the Spirit -- so the person is saved. (Lalew means someone outside of you is CONTROLLING what you say. Verb's used of demons controlling pagans, too.)
The Matt 7 people FLATTER Him to claim THEIR WORKS as justification to enter heaven (casting out demons, etc).
And if one preaches the TRUE Gospel of faith alone in the shed Blood of Christ (Rom.3:25) only those who ARE saved will be entering local churches.
But, your comment supports my view that current witnessing efforts are driven by fear, not faith.
And I am surprised that you would use Mat.7:21-23 as a proof-text, since it is referring to entrence into the Kingdom of Heaven, not the Kingdom of God.
Moreover, only the FRUIT they bear can SHOW if they are saved.
Jesus is Lord whether be believe this or not, and I can assure you, everyday people call Him this everyday of the week. As I said at the start, this whole subject, which sadly causes brethren to disagree firmly, may be just semantics.
To be saved one must believe what Christ did on the Cross for the individual sinner. The focus must be away from the sinner to the Saviour.
Once the sinner recognizes that he is indeed Lost, he must then be told what he need to do to have eternal life which is simply believe on the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Brother, no man can Him Lord except they are saved. It was those who used the word 'master' that showed they were unsaved' (Judas never called Christ Lord, he always used the word 'master'
In Acts 20 I see Paul preaching that people 'repent toward God, that is change their mind about Him but the salvation was ONLY in the faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
We talk about the reality of God all the time, but that isn't salvation.
Where does it say that one has to do anything other then believe in the saving work of Christ?
The example given in Jn.3:14 was that of Nu.21:9, and all they had to do is look up to live. They were helpless to do anything else. That is where the word of God is to take the sinnner, to the point of being helpless to do anything else but believe.
excatholics, it's not about what we want. It's about What GOD wants. In hundreds of verses from Genesis 15:6 forward, He proves that what He wants, is belief (see also Hebrew 3 in this connection).
So we 'repent' of not believing. Repentance from sin has no meaning. Esau repented but did not believe so was not saved, Hebrews 12:16-17 (ties to Hebrews 6, a faith in one's WORKS rather than in God, see also Heb 11:6).
Maybe its just semantics, but Jesus did tell the woman caught in sin to "sin no more" and Paul made it clear that God wants all men to repent NOW.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." (Is. 55:7)
I guess the faith in man, leads the man to pray (to humble himself before God Almightly) and to admit to God that he (man) is a sinner and to admit that the man needs a Saviour (he misses the mark). The prayer means nothing without faith and the only one knows about that - is God. God knows our heart and he knows what we believe and if we believe the Word of God.
sandbar3000 2 years ago
Amen and amen! We will know if we are saved by the fruit we produce and the Holy Spirit witnessing to us (Rom.8:16, 1Jn.5:13)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
People always want to add to the gospel since they are self-righteous. We need HIS righteousness to be saved and this is what Eph 2:8-9 states. I'm glad you added in Romans in your video, that faith cometh by the Word of God. Great video.
sandbar3000 2 years ago
Amen! Thank you for your comment.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
If Christ is a side note, then Bible is an idol.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Richucis 2 years ago
my o butt0n d0esnt w0rk. i have t0 paste it ( very inc0nvenient )
Wh0 the s0n has set free, is free indeed.
Richucis 2 years ago
LOL! I bet that is rough!
Thank you for your comment!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I hadn't seen this comment, that is why I am late in commenting on it. Thank you for the comment. Yes, the Holy Ghost will produce the fruits of the Spirit if we yield to Him.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I have not heard of those words in YEARS. "Yield to him". I remember my preacher while at First Baptist Church of Hammond, the words would flow out like honey from preacher (Bro. Hyles) and he's say that he'd "yield to the Holy Spirit" seven times a day.(This was back in 1997-2001).
Can you imagine what Christians would be doing if we ALL yeilded to the Holy Spirit just 3 times a day? To walk where He wants us to walk? To talk about what He wants to talk about?
sandbar3000 2 years ago
Amen! We are either yielding to the flesh or the Spirit. Whosoever we are yielding to at that time is now controlling us.
That is seen by the fruit produced.
(Rom.6, Gal.5)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
sin is n0t what we d0. is wh0 we are.. He didnt die f0r us t0 st0p sinning, but t0 save us fr0m 0urselves. we are free in Christ 0f religi0us eff0rts, fr0m trying n0t t0 sin f0r it is HIS w0rk and HIM in us.
Richucis 2 years ago
Why are using the 'zero' key instead of the 'o' key?
But what you said is correct. We must yield ot the Holy Ghost to stop sinning and when we do so, we are controlled by Him and He bears the fruit.(Rom.6:16, Gal. 5:22-23)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I agree with you that is all we need to do to be Saved is to believe on Jesus. We don't even need to be baptized. Sanctification is the process of becoming like the one we Love.
gigglesinthesun 2 years ago
Amen. No, we don't need to be water baptized to be saved, but it is commanded (Matt.28:19) as a witness of that salvation.
Thank you for your comment.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen brother, that is what it is suppose to be! Thank you for your comment.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Now thats the Good news !
Laras420 2 years ago
Great Video Man how the World needs the TRUE Gospel!
Lethalhabit 2 years ago
Thank you brother!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
u said that i have to tell a person that Christ died for HIS SINS....that is NOT the gospel command. Christ died for HIS PEOPLE
nestosolo 2 years ago
Christ died for the sins of EVERYONE
1Jn.2:2, Heb.2:9, Rom.5:18, 2Pe.2:1.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Help me understand.
Does everyone have this faith, according to your theology, which they can be saved?
kbphilly8 2 years ago
They can have saving faith if they listen to the Gospel and believe it.
'faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God' (Rom.10:17)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Correct -
James 1:18 - Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Romans 12:3 -
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
2 Thess. 3:2 - And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Faith is a gift. An example would be 1 Cor 12:7-9 - ...."To another faith by the same Spirit".
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Nowhere is faith said to be a gift, salvatioin is said to be a gift (Rom.5)
Again, 1Cor.12 is speaking of spiritual gifts given to those ALREADY saved and some of those gifts were temporaly, used in the early church to discern doctrines before the NT was completed.
Those gifts in 1Cor.12:9-10 were clearly temporary gifts that were removed when the Canon was completed.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Ja.1:18 refers to the means by which faith is produced, the word of God.
1Pe.1:23-25, Ps.119:130 and is possible to EVERY MAN.
Rom.12:3 isn't discussing saving faith, but faith in doctrinal issues. Paul is speaking to believers who need to believe what he is teaching.
2Thess.3:2 all men don't have faith, that is why they are not save, not that those men CAN'T have faith, they chose not to believe.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Salvation is very simple-believe that Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again. (1Cor.15:1-4)
Nothing could be more simple.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Verse 8. By grace ye are saved through faith - Grace, without any respect to human worthiness, confers the glorious gift. Faith, with an empty hand, and without any pretense to personal desert, receives the heavenly blessing. And this is not of yourselves - This refers to the whole preceding clause, That ye are saved through faith, is the gift of God.
John Wesley
edwardpf123 2 years ago
One last comment. I chose KJV for your benefit. Not sure if you could tell. Also it is apparent you are ok with believing your own lies without researching. It figures someone tries to chime in after I am getting ready to leave...typical. I leave you with 2 Timothy 2:25 - read it in the version that you can understand. If you wish to speak about me after I leave that is fine, just know you will be held accountable.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
1, you didn't use the KJB for 2Pe.1:1, which left out the word 'precious
2. I don't care what version you use, just name what it is
3. I have done more then enough research on Calvinism to know it is a lie
4.This is a comment board and people other then you have a right to make comments. Every Calvinist thinks everything revolves around HIM and then they claim to be 'humble'
5.When I deal with Calvinists I use Tit.1:13 'rebuke then sharply'
6. You aren't that important to talk about.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I cease to be amazed at the depths these TULIP sniffers and Bible correctors will condescend to not deal with the Book as it stands. As you have correctly and brilliantly stated previously Edward: "reading modern Bibles rots the brain".
They all must correct the English with the Greek which doesnt exist or they must become English grammarians and make something read in a manner that it was not intended to be understood.
LBBspock 2 years ago
Amen brother, thank you for your comments!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Just know that God will share His glory with no one. Your man centered thinking is definitely not recommended. Take care!
kbphilly8 2 years ago
And answer me the question is God sending the rest of your family to hell or not? Mother, father, brothers, sisters, children they are all 'elect'?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I have been thinking about this comment a lot lately and I would like your response on the question. My answer is God is just and He is perfect, so I know that it is not up to me.
If God does the choosing and is in control and let's say He does not save your family, would you find fault in Him?
kbphilly8 2 years ago
You must be confusing me with a Cavlnist, which I am not. Each individual is responsible for his own eternal future since God has made it possible for all men to be saved by faith.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Uhhh no, but I was curious your answer. I think I can conclude what your answer is...so you believe in order for God to be just every person has to have that chance to believe? You would likely blame God if that choice was not there according to your theology...correct?
You appear to worship God because of the ability to choose, but if that is not right then just let me know.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Every man does have a chance to believe and since they do, God isn't responsible for their choice not to.
God would be blamed if there was no chance for someone to be saved, as the Calvinists teach with unconditional election.
God is just and wants all men to be saved.
I worship God because He IS GOD and that includes all the attributes that make up God, such as Love and goodness. Not the false god of TULIP which creates man just to damn most and then claim 'glory' for it.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
You summed up your faulty doctrine pretty well. I appreciate your input as I just wanted to understand a little more about it. I have no harsh words for you as I will leave that to you. I am done and I wish you well.
I worship God because He is worthy and if He chose to send me to hell I would still worship Him.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Well, thank you for the kind thoughts and likewise to you.
And if God had chosen to send you to hell you COULDN'T worship Him, since you would have been left spiritually dead.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
So you admit God chooses :)
Sorry couldn't resist.
I appreciate your demeanor and the fact we can discuss despite our differences. Let our faith be in nothing but Christ. I am sure our paths will cross again.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No, I said IF God had chosen to send you to hell... which ofcourse He would never do :)
Amen! May God bless you.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
God is just and perfect that is why He ISN'T the God depicted by Calvinism.
I guess if you believed in unconditional election and God didn't save your family, you wouldn't find fault in Him?
That is why many Calvinist's have water baptism for infants, to bring the infants into the same 'saving' covenant with the 'elect'. So they found a way around God not choosing their own children to be saved. They simply convinced themselves that water baptism symbolized unconditional election.
Glory!!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I cannot make you see it, so I suppose we might as well stop. If you want to discuss then just contact me.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Nothing to discuss. Calvinism is a lie from Satan himself and is blasphemy against the very essence of God.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Did you really just use John 6:40 to support your weak stance? Why not go a little further and see who Christ was speaking about? John 6:44-46- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No, Jn.6:40 states very clearly that it was the Father's wil that all be saved. And that the reason was due to the fact that the JEWS rejected the scriptures
'And ye will not come to me, that ye may have eternal life....But if ye believe not his writings how shall ye believe my works' (jn.5:40, 47)
So, when you hear the Gospel you are responsible for RESPONDING to the truth of those words with faith.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Now your ignorance is shining through. That is not what I believe. I believe that I deserve the heaviest punishment possible. No one deserves heaven and no one deserves a chance, which evidently you think mankind deserves. God saves some for His glory. You are missing the whole point of Salvation. It is not about us, but HIM!
kbphilly8 2 years ago
That is exactly what you believe, since you have been 'chosen' for no objective reason. So, save the pious talk. Is God sending the rest of your family to hell and just saving you?
No, you are missing the whole point of the salvation, that God wants all men to be saved and died for all men and all men are savable.
Calvinism makes it about YOU, not God.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
It is all about God saving men despite who they are. God receives all the glory and He is just in everything. Your conclusion is so ridiculous that it deserves no further attention other than one question.
What about Judas?
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Calvinism isn't about God saving men despite who they are, since according to Calvinism God made men who they are for His own glory.
So, again, you have made God responsible for sin and death and then claim He is to be glorfied because He chose (for no objective reason) to save some and let the rest go to the Lake of Fire.
Calvinism loves to tell partial truths, hoping that one will not ask the ultimate question, why doesn't God save ALL?
Judas was responsible for his own sin, not God.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
If God saves you as the result of anything you do, then He is responding out of obligation. And, that is not grace. Grace must be totally and utterly unmerited.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Why don't you read Rom.4:4-5 and find how God defines a work and faith?
Faith IS unmerited.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
You can cling to your "decision" if you want, but I certainly will not.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
And you can cling to your unbiblical view that for some unknown reason God thought you were special and saved you while letting others go to hell.
Maybe He pulled your name out of a hat?
That isn't humility, that is arrogrance and blasphemy against the love of God.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
John 6:64-65 - But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
And in Jn.12:32 Christ said He would draw ALL men to Him.
And in Jn 5:40, Christ rebukes the Jews
'And ye will not come to me ,that ye might have life' since they rejected the scriptures given to them that testified of Him (Jn.5:47)
And it was the Father's will that ALL come to Christ (Jn.6:40).
edwardpf123 2 years ago
If a person becomes humble enough to submit to God it is because God has given that person a new, humble nature.
I could also go into the Greek context of Eph 2:8-9 which I am sure you will refute. You are boasting in your wise righteous choice no matter how you look.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No, the scriptures are very clear, faith is not a work and therefore not the basis of boasting.
There is nothing in the Greek of Eph.2:8-9 which changes anything. So stop huffing and puffing about it.
Calvin himself believed that the 'gift' in Eph.2:8-9 was salvation itself, as is stated in Rom.5.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Don't care what his interpretation was, just the truth but nice try.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No, the fact is that the Greek is very clear, faith is not the gift in Eph.2:8-9 since the genders don't match.
' Faith' is in the feminine, 'that' and 'gift' is in the neuter. The gift refers to salvation not faith.
Sorry, but that is the simple fact.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
The simple fact is that there is nothing in the first phrase -- "For by grace you have been saved through faith" - that matches "that" in gender. As James White points out in his excellent exegesis of this text, "grace" is feminine and "have been saved" is a masculine participle. So, there's only one possible outcome that satisfies all of the data, grammar and choice of language: the neuter demonstrative pronoun "that" encompasses and refers back to the entirety of the preceding clause.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
'The reference seems, however, to be neither to the one nor to the other, but to the subject of the foregoing clause, salvation by grace, through faith in Christ and his gospel;... And to show that this interpretation is not a mere novelty, I need only refer the reader to Theophylact, who thus explains: 'He does not say that faith is the gift of God; but to be saved by faith, this is the gift of God.' Such also is the view adopted by Chrysostom and Theodoret."
Note from C. Commentaries.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Sorry...try again.
Define the difference between mental assent (belief) and a saving belief.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Romans 4 - states in verses I-8 that Abraham was justified by faith not works. Then in verses 9-17 that he was justified by grace not law. And then in verses 18-25, that he was justified by divine effort, not human effort.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
kbphilly8 2 years ago
The 'faith' being discussed there is the 'body of doctrines', not individual faith.
'Whom resist stedfast in the faith'
1Pe.5:9
And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.'
Acts 16:5
Context will tell you what the word faith is referring to. Sometimes it refers to individual faith and sometimes to the common PRECIOUS faith of Christian doctrines,
It seems whatever version you are usng left out the word 'precious'
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Consider your conversion vs. Spurgeon - Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith, and so the whole doctrine of grace opened up to me, and from that doctrine I have not departed to this day, and I desire to make this my constant confession, I ascribe my change wholly to God
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Well, Spurgeon, (who was saved in an Arminian church) could believe whatever he wanted, the fact is his faith came from himself.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
LUK 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
That was the Kingdom gospel, not the Gospel of grace. The Jews rejected the second offer of the Kingdom (Acts 7) and the gospel of grace was then preached instead.
The church was still a mystery, only revealed to Paul (Eph.3)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Author was not the best use of words, but you get the point....We act in belief, but God is the cause. With sin it is different, nice try, but terrible arugument. Due to our DEAD sinful nature we sin. Saving faith is trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and for eternal life with God. Try and get a dead man to do that...LOL!
My comments on what believing means is contrary what you believe. By believing you realize your need for a Savior.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
God is the one that has done it all by providing salvation, we only have to receive it by faith.
A spiritually dead man can understand God as did Cain when he spoke with him.
And in Rom.1 the unbeliever is said to know God, so there are different kinds of 'death' in the Bible.
You believe BECAUSE God has shown you need a saviour.
You are convicted then converted.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
This is a definite taking of ones self out of ones own keeping and entrusting ones self into the keeping of the Lord Jesus.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
Exactly!
The issue in salvation is simple-who are trusting to save you-Christ or yourself. What are you trusting will save you? Christ's Blood or your works.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
When you look at the Greek words that refer to faith/belief, in which a lost sinner must place in the Lord Jesus in order to be saved, they include; the act of considering the Lord Jesus worthy of trust as to His character & motives, the act of placing confidence in His ability to do just what He says He will do, & the act of committing the work of saving his soul to the care of the Lord.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
And how is that different then the English usage of the word?
What must I DO to be saved?
Every person must DO something to be saved, they must BELIEVE the Gospel, and that is not a work, that is simply receving the free gift of salvation.
When somone gives you a gift, you have to RECEIVE it, that doesn't mean you EARNED or DESERVED the gift. The giver of the gift gets the thanks for the gift, and you receive the benefits of the gift.
It is very simple.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
So in saying that faith and repentance are Gods gifts to a believer, we are not to think of them as some sort of material, tangible stuff that comes gift-wrapped with a red ribbon! The Bible portrays faith and repentance as Gods gifts to His in order to emphasize that, although we are the author of these actions, God is the ultimate cause.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
The gift of God is salvation which we receive by faith. Nothing is ever said about faith being God's gift. But even if it were, it doesn't mean it couldn't be rejected as well. You don't want faith as a gift, you want IRRESISTABLE grace which produces faith, as a gift.
We are the 'author 'but God is ultimate cause'?
Do you even know what the word 'author' means? You are either the author (creator) of something or not.
So, I guess God is REALLY the 'ultimate cause' for your sins as well?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
You mentioned previously that no dead man could repent. How could a dead man believe? You do not understand what it means to believe according to Scriptures. You quote Ephesians 2:8-9 as a continual source, but fail to quote Ephesians 2:5 - where it states a believer has been quickened. Can you do that yourself too! Lordship Salvation is not about works. The debate is over the order of salvation. You coax dead people into trying to believe something they cannot see without God's intervention.
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No man can repent of his SINS before he is saved since he needs to have a new nature to do so.
An spiritually dead man is quickened when by the Gospel when the words of God enter into him and with them God's life (Ja.1:18, 1Pe.1:23,) which he must receive by faith(Rom.10:17)
Eph.2:5 simply says we were quickened with Christ, since we now have HIS life in us.(Jn.5:24)
God does 'intervene'- with His WORDS.
How can someone elected from eternity be born without hope? (Eph.2:12)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Yes, salvation is by faith alone, but you are over simplifying what God has done in a person. We are saved by God's grace which is a gift. You stated faith is not a gift, so so you boast in your decision to believe that you were smarter than the person next to you. Oh that poor sinner you might say!
kbphilly8 2 years ago
No, Rom.4-4-5 is very clear on that point.
Faith is not a work and thus, one has no basis to 'boast' for having it.
When you receive a gift do you boast about receving it or do you thank the giver for it?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
That's right, its been about faith since day one people... day one!
That is why we see people in the Old testament called "righteous", if u notice one thing they have in common, and its stated, is faith.
Also note that people have been trying to add to the gospel since day one as well! most of the New testament is letters setting peoples "views" straight.
Its our nature, but through Christ, we can do all things. Have faith brothers and sister!
♥
galaxydreams 2 years ago
Amen! If it is not faith, then it is not grace.
It is just that simple.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
"Only through faith that" is Martin Luther No? He said that for political purposes.
Without the word and without priests faith would lose!
VyckRo 2 years ago
No, salvation is without works, that is what the Bible says (Rom.4:4-5, Rom.11;6, Eph.2:8-9)
Every believer is a priest (1Pe.2:9)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I have been living in constance fear for almost a year because of this. Its awful. I needed to hear this brother.
Thank you!
Is there anything I can do about this constant guilt? This constant feeling of not being worthy to the point that I wont be saved? Its driving me crazy.
I do pray for strength and conviction every now and then, i wonder if thats what it is! Who knows. Any advice would rock though :)
Thanks brother,
~Tonya
galaxydreams 2 years ago
Simply believe what Christ, the Son of God, did for YOU on the Cross, He paid for YOUR sins, died, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day to show that the Father has accepted His blood sacrifice.
The price has been paid, all you have to do is in the saving work of Christ!
'These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God' (1Jn.5:13)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen brother, The mind can be an enemy sometimes i suppose. I will snap out of it :)
galaxydreams 2 years ago
AMEN!!!!! earnestly contend for the FAITH!!
hier0phant 2 years ago
Thank you for your comment!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
AMEN!!!
theheat151 2 years ago
Thank you!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
great video bro, i see that you have come across a few disagreements on this issue but i believe you are spot on
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
jinkyfc 2 years ago
I am going to do a followup dealing with a recent chick tract I received and it's contradictions, on the one hand saying that salvation is simple, all one has to is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and then stating that one must 'be willing to turn from sin' and through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal saviour' using Rom.10:13 as a proof text!
A soul winner should lead a person through the scriptures and then let the Holy Spirit deal with him.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen bro
2Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
keep up the great work you are doing for the LORD !!!
jinkyfc 2 years ago
Amen, brother. Even when Jesus preached and did miracles, there were people who did not believe. You can't make "soul winning" your objective, but you can make the information available.
tallswede68 2 years ago
Yes, we are to put out the 'seed' of God's word. We don't know what kind of 'soil' it is going to fall upon or how long it will take before it results in faith.
'And he said, So is the Kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep and rise night and day, and the seed should spring up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself, first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear'(Mk.4:26-28)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Thank you brother for your comment.
What has developed is a 'formula' which has nothing to do with what the Bible says one must do to be saved.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
No, faith is not a gift, SALVATION is the gift (Rom.6:23)-period.
No, faith isn' t a work (Rom.4:4-5) so one cannot boast for having it.
Yes, the faith is IN the Atoning work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom.3:25)
Thank you, you likewise.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen, well done. This concept is of utmost importance and you did a good job teaching it.
sincitypreacher 2 years ago
Thank you brother for that encouraging comment!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Yes, the Gentiles AS A GROUP were granted the right to turn to God, but repentence wasn't a requirement, as the Gospel given to Cornilus clearly shows.
Repentence isn't mentioned.
The Gospel went first to the Jews and then the Gentiles and the Gentiles were excited to know that God was now receiving them as well as the Jews (Acts 13, 17)
Faith is something the individual is responsible for producing and it comes by the word of God (Rom.10:17)
Thank you for the comment.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Both Luke and Mark are referring to the preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Acts 11:18 doesn't say that the Gentiles were saved by repenting, but that repenting was granted to them.
The Gentiles who were saved were saved by faith and repentence wasn't even mentioned
'to him give all the prophets witness, that through his name, whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins' (Acts 10:43)
Repentence isn't even mentioned and they were all saved by faith alone.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen brother! It is the word of God that is 'quick and powerful', not man-made formulas!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I still don't feel you've clairfied the issue.
excatholics 2 years ago
I haven't? I thought I have been very clear. Before one is saved, sin is preached to tell someone they are spiritually dead and on the way to hell. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We sin because we are SINNERS, dead in Adam.
So, Christ is the only issue, not forsaking one personal sins.
It is our position in the 1st Adam (death) that must change to being in the 2nd Adam and life.
Dealing with personal sin is a GROWTH issue, not a salvation issue.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
That answer doesn't help. When do we tell a sinner to depart from sin, before they are saved or after?
excatholics 2 years ago
I thought I was very clear.
You don't begin dealing with sin as sin, until AFTER one is saved.
The issue BEFORE someone is save is that they are spiritually dead and on the way to hell. Sin reveals that fact (Rom.3:28)
So after one is saved he can begin GROWING and dealing with his personal sins which is a lifelong process.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
What about one's sin, do they leave it or retain it?
excatholics 2 years ago
Sin is not the issue in salvation!
Spiritual death is! Sin SHOWS that we NEED a SAVIOUR.
No unbeliever is able to deal with his sins UNTIL he is saved.
So, asking someone who is spiritually dead to forsake them is simply making an issue out of something that has nothing to do with the Gospel!
Sin is a growth issue, not a salvation one.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I think we have two different views of what repentance means, hence why we can't seem to agree. As this is your video, please would you state what you hold repentance to be?
excatholics 2 years ago
Repentence is a simple changing of the mind or a turning from one view to another. Do you have another definition?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Amen! Thanks for the comment!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Recently I ran across some *extremely* interesting historical info regarding the historicity KJV of the Bible, William Tyndale's role in the 1611 copy...I am convinced more than ever it is the truest English text of the Word of God.
Also I noticed, since the devil is the author of confusion, having so many "versions" is confusing
thanks
GreenCures 2 years ago
Amen brother! The AV1611 NT is about 80% Tyndale. Thank you for your comments!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
2)Do see in all this bitterness towards true Evangelism by Calvinism, you just threw away something that is clearly n the Word of God.
What is simple about it? You made it difficult. This is no biblical repentence Edward. Making fun of the "soulwinner". The "soul Winner" are just that a "Soul Winner". Which is good thing. Do you realize what you are saying? "If the righteous are scarely saved. What will be the sinner and the unrighteous?"
Danny
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
I am denying the modern concept of the soul winner that keeps numbers. I believe that since numbers now have become important the soul winner looks for some assurance for HIMSELF that person is indeed saved, so he can count it. Hence, the 'formula's that have been developed.
Do you agree that no one can truely know they have won someone to Christ until they see them produce fruit?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
I haven't thrown anything away! The old way of evangelism was to preach the Gospel, not to count converts. The local church exists to grow up those who are truely saved. In the days of the Apostles and Wesley and Whitfield, they had openfield preaching and no one was asked to come forward to make a 'decision'. The true Gospel was being taught since it provoked both a response and a reaction.
And those who were saved found churches to grow in and a real revival took place.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
again Edward U are wrong. Peter gave a open invitation right there in act 2. 3000 souls were added that day.Not a Joel Osteen meeting.True salvation. 3000 souls. Very Precious to the Lord.
Then you are just critizing and making up faults. No its wrong with true proven evangelism. U just believe the lies told on youtube.But you hurt the kingdom with all this pride and unforgiveness. It's stupid to critiize, claimimg you care so much. This whole thing is of the Devil to stop Evangelism.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
And he didn't say a word about anyone repenting for their sins!
Moreover, Acts 2:38 is not a NT Gospel, it is a Kingdom Gospel.
No, we need to have CORRECT Evangelism, not the phony kind that is adding to the Gospel of faith alone.
'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved'
Why would you want to add to that?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
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simplydannygirl 2 years ago
There is no old way or one way. Jesus preached to thousand. in acts 3000 and 5000 sould came to Lord in on day.
Then you no needs to repent. You mean to tell in the old days when people were more God fearing no one ever repented of anything during a revival. And we do make a decison. God say. come let us reason togther. Will or not, how is man to come to repentence. By hearing the Word of God. Evangelist. But fiathis credited to us as righteousness calling us friends. Not willless robots.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
Yes, man must make a personal decision, what I am saying is that there was never an issue of numbers.
So I am not disputing that all can be saved by faith, but that the Gospel is simple and direct. The modern soul winners have made it complicated because THEY want assurance that person is saved but there is no assurance apart from that person bearing actual fruit.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
1)But don't you see two things. Y lump all Evanglism. U say Moderned Evagleist. So any and all. And you comparere to past. When we had no other transporation than a horse. U made a Mistake about John Wesly, he was a fire brand Methodist that countered Johnathan Edwards "Sinner in hands of a Angry God". Yes Gos was angry with that generation. Why? Pride, Unbelief and Freemasonary. But he wanted to save them. So god is God or Wrath and Love. He knew men were weak and their have all gone astray.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
2)All I see is this demanding men understand they way we commited christians do. Put with the morden world comes, even more things to distract us, suduce us, and decieved us. Rememeber all that is demanded of the gentile believer was faith repentence, stay away from Sexual immoratilty, blood of of animals, and worship of Idols. Even idols in the heart.
So as long as it true biblical Evangelism, not taking away or adding. All Evangelism is Good. Tracts, bibles,Prayer. street. All good.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
Then, no one is claiming numbers except silly alter calls at Christian Rock concerts. That's not real Evangelism. They charge at the door for their services. But
the stuff you were saying was not true.
Today, I doubt the numbers people are quoting. They are not preaching a straight gospel. But even in the bible numbers like 3000 and 5000 were attributied. So it's not good to boast or dismiss in numbers. Just be a missionary. Old new it's all good. Just stay away from purpose/emergent stuff.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
'Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand' (Acts.4:4)
And the faith that you speak of in Abraham, was a mature faith, that came in Gen.22. He was saved in Gen.15.
To many soul winners are claiming converts who have only made a profession of faith, they haven't produced the fruit that shows that faith. (Mat.13:18-23)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Edward, U can not be a "soulwinner" if converts are false by number.Speaking of converts. Only God Converts the soul. the "soul winner" is a embassdor that Christ sends to give the Word of God that leads to life. U also contradict everything U said in your very own video. U stressed they did not have repent, but merely confess faith or believe. The repentence the confession to make the act of turning away from sin. But U said they did not need to "repent" as U belittled this. Done
Danny
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
The fact is that no one knows a soul is won unless that person bears fruit. The soul winner may 'harvest' what someone else has 'sown' but the fact is that he cannot be sure until fruit is produced.
No where is it said that one has to repent of their sins. One has to believe on the atoning Blood of Christ. Sin is an issue for growth, not salvation. That one sins shows that one is spiritually dead and needs a saviour, but one cannot deal with those sins until AFTER you are saved
edwardpf123 2 years ago
"The fact is that no one knows a soul is won unless that person bears fruit:, Pau Washer I presume. I herad him say something like that. That ia not true. 1)John #;16-21, and Roman 10:9-13 tells peole how to be saved. 3) Now scripture. It those who believe. It's Grace alon, through faith alone. Now you made a works gospel. Determined by the likes of you and Paul Washer.
Stop listening Washer. Go by the Word of God. And walk in love.
Cya!
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
Those verses tell someone HOW to be saved but that doesn't mean the person IS saved.
Now, the Bible is clear that fruit SHOWS one is saved (Mat.13:23)
'My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and truth.
And hereby we KNOW that we are of the truth, and shall ASSURE our hearts before him...beloved, of our hearts condemn us not, THEN we have confidence toward God'(1Jn.3:19,21)
So, you are confusing being saved with KNOWING on is saved.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
How to be saved for those who believe. It ios very clear. If the believe confess and repent they will be saved. "Who so ever calls upon the lord will be saved". Who beleiveth on him will have eternal life. You have contradicted yourself in everything you said. Now, we are arguing the opposite of what you said. You said they did not need to repent. But the word says they need to.
And fruit does not save you. That would be a works system. Then who but God would determine that fruit Edward?
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
You seem to be very confused at what I am saying.
One, repentence is NOT required to be saved, only faith is.
Two, I never said fruit saves someone, I said fruit SHOWS that one IS SAVED.
So, no one say they know someone is saved UNTIL they see fruits in that person.
So, I have not contradicted anything I said, you are just confused at what I am saying.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Also, I have never listened to Paul Washer.
Saying one has to bear fruit to SHOW one is saved, is not a 'works gospel'. It is a Biblical fact that no one can tell anyone has been saved until they see their fruit.
The Gospel is simply to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for yours sins and was buried and rose from the dead.
If someone believes that they are saved, but in order to others to know that and for their own assurance, they need to bear fruit.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Edward... I hope I have not insulted you by this constant disagreement?
Man, did you make the Gospel really really simple. One does have repent or confess sin or nothing. lol! Cut out the middle man! lol!
I hope you got since of humor Edward. Ending on a light note.
God Bless
Danny
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
No, not at all. Thank you for you imput.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
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simplydannygirl 2 years ago
Romans 10: 9-13. 1john 1:7-10, Mark 16: 16 Act 2:37-40
This getting riduculus. You have repent of you sins. You have to believe. To merely believe with out repentence means you have not renounce your sins. Just self righteous. Discredit Evangelist and hold to Calvinism, you made a mistake and misqouted clear scripture.
It clearly calls sinners to repentence. The sinner prayer helps those who do not know how to pray. But It's God that does the saving.
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
None of those passages say a word about anyone being commanded to repent of their sins!
edwardpf123 2 years ago
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simplydannygirl 2 years ago
edwardpf123, this video of yours is now featured in My Video Log on my channel page. Thank you again!
brainouty 2 years ago
I do agree with you, brother, but my fear is without true repentance, we're simply adding false converts into the church and this is where my text (Matt. 7:21-23) comes into being again.
excatholics 2 years ago
excatholics' "Matt 7:21-23 has lost people calling Jesus Lord" -- yes, this is true. But what she said to Christ is different, & so is 1 Cor 12:3 (see chapter context). She ADMITS He is Lord. Greek verb is "lalew" in 1Cor12:3 -- UNDER the Spirit -- so the person is saved. (Lalew means someone outside of you is CONTROLLING what you say. Verb's used of demons controlling pagans, too.)
The Matt 7 people FLATTER Him to claim THEIR WORKS as justification to enter heaven (casting out demons, etc).
brainouty 2 years ago
Amen! The Lord said to her
' neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more'
He did not condemn her AND He said, go and sin no more.
He didn't say ,IF you sin no more, I won't condemn you.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
And if one preaches the TRUE Gospel of faith alone in the shed Blood of Christ (Rom.3:25) only those who ARE saved will be entering local churches.
But, your comment supports my view that current witnessing efforts are driven by fear, not faith.
And I am surprised that you would use Mat.7:21-23 as a proof-text, since it is referring to entrence into the Kingdom of Heaven, not the Kingdom of God.
Moreover, only the FRUIT they bear can SHOW if they are saved.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
"no man can Him Lord except they are saved"
Matt. 7:21-23 has lost people calling Jesus Lord.
excatholics 2 years ago
And giving people a false Gospel, adding something to faith alone, will not ensure they are saved.
You are mixing the different aspects of sanctification, positional and progressive.
God will witness to them if they are truely saved (Rom.8:16) as will their fruit (1Jn.3:18-19)
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Jesus is Lord whether be believe this or not, and I can assure you, everyday people call Him this everyday of the week. As I said at the start, this whole subject, which sadly causes brethren to disagree firmly, may be just semantics.
Over and out.
excatholics 2 years ago
Well my brother, I don't think it is semantics.
To be saved one must believe what Christ did on the Cross for the individual sinner. The focus must be away from the sinner to the Saviour.
Once the sinner recognizes that he is indeed Lost, he must then be told what he need to do to have eternal life which is simply believe on the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Anything else is adding to the Gospel.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
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excatholics 2 years ago
She may have called Him Lord, meaning simply Master. We don't know if/when she was saved.
Acts 17, is not only a mental turning from unbelief to belief but a physical turning from sin too.
I don't know why people struggle to understand faith and repentance for salvation (Acts 20:21)
excatholics 2 years ago
Brother, no man can Him Lord except they are saved. It was those who used the word 'master' that showed they were unsaved' (Judas never called Christ Lord, he always used the word 'master'
In Acts 20 I see Paul preaching that people 'repent toward God, that is change their mind about Him but the salvation was ONLY in the faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
We talk about the reality of God all the time, but that isn't salvation.
Those are two different issues.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Say what?
excatholics 2 years ago
Where does it say that one has to do anything other then believe in the saving work of Christ?
The example given in Jn.3:14 was that of Nu.21:9, and all they had to do is look up to live. They were helpless to do anything else. That is where the word of God is to take the sinnner, to the point of being helpless to do anything else but believe.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
Oh thank you, edwardpf123!
brainouty 2 years ago
You are very welcome, thank you for your excellent video on the subject.
edwardpf123 2 years ago
What we don't want is for sinners to just "believe" and not repent. Both are needed to save souls.
excatholics 2 years ago
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brainouty 2 years ago
Well, brother where does it say that?
edwardpf123 2 years ago
excatholics, it's not about what we want. It's about What GOD wants. In hundreds of verses from Genesis 15:6 forward, He proves that what He wants, is belief (see also Hebrew 3 in this connection).
So we 'repent' of not believing. Repentance from sin has no meaning. Esau repented but did not believe so was not saved, Hebrews 12:16-17 (ties to Hebrews 6, a faith in one's WORKS rather than in God, see also Heb 11:6).
brainouty 2 years ago
Maybe its just semantics, but Jesus did tell the woman caught in sin to "sin no more" and Paul made it clear that God wants all men to repent NOW.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." (Is. 55:7)
excatholics 2 years ago
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brainouty 2 years ago
If you notice the woman had already called Him Lord, showing she was saved already.
Isa.55:7 is speaking of those who are saved returning to the Lord,not being saved by the Lord.
And the context of Acts 17 was for men to turn from false idols and turn to God.
The issue of turning away from ones' sins happens as a result of growing, it is not a requirment for salvation.
edwardpf123 2 years ago