I'm the actual discoverer of this film. I found it whilst working for The North West Film Archive, then a part of what was Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University) in the early '80s. The film somehow found its way, with other old films, to an antiques/junk shop in Wigan and I went to see what was in the collection. It took me probably less than a minute to realise it was something special. To my knowledge it's the only surviving copy in existence.
Its incredible that they can encompasse the whole story practically in just over 3 minutes. Given that this is 109 years old, in the very early days of filming, it was a pretty good attempt.
why i never get about these old incomplete movies is, how is it possible to have one piece of the movie and not the other? aren't the movies all suppose to be on the same reel together?
I'm confused as to all the controversy; a quick google search turns up info on the IMDB as well as silenteradotcom and other sources, including the BFI. Why is everyone insisting this is undocumented and fake? I had no problem finding info on it. Search "Marley's Ghost".
This may be real however if you compare it to the 1908 Edison version there are vast differences. I looked on the bfi but came up with nothing. may be because I'm in the states and not allowed access. I cannot find any other references to this 1901 version not even on IMDB would like more sources cuz some of this does smack of the modern..I'd love to be proven wroing
@legomegacy why are you not allowed access to the BFI british it maybe but its still pretty international..if there a poroblem at (if you pardon the xpression) your end?
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FAKE! that's fake jumpiness of the video and the props are too clean for it to be 1901. I don't think they had superimposing of one video on to another in 1901 either. Although there is a lot of defects flashing across the screen it just looks too clean.
I'm with you. Too clean. It's fake. I know vintage film when I see it. Many many indicators her. Overly scratched film veneering a clean set. Modern look to peoples faces, brand spanking new fabric when this type of clothing could easily be found in 1901 and would have been chosen instead of making new outfits, especially for the Cratchits lol. I could go on but people are going to believe what they want to believe and I have a shawl that used to belong to Mae West I'd like to sell them.
You are mistaken. This fragment has been posted on BFI's site and is available for downloading from their archive if you live in the U.K. Not every silent film in existence is in horrible condition today - especially ones that weren't shown over and over and over again (which is likely the case with this print, since the film itself doesn't strike me as very interesting and may not have made much of a stir back then either).
Fantastic stuff!, and also amazing to think that A Christmas Carol was only 60 years old when this film was made. The equivelent of a contemporary film being set in the 1950's and yet even in this production 1840's London looks like a different world.
I LOVE IT! I think it was great timing to post this on YouTube today. I think this is the week Disney will be releasing Dickens Christmas Carol in 3d this weekend. From the earliest version to the very latest in a sweep.
This is in better condition than the 1935 Seymour Hicks version.
basenjib123 2 months ago
This was very good. Great clean print for 1901.
HargroveFilms1 3 months ago
that was really interesting , but i'm amazed to see the term 'xmas' used so early on , i've always thought it much later !!!!!!
leedshunk 3 months ago
michael bay...eat ur heart out
Back2DaFuture98 4 months ago
Pretty amazing when you consider this came out less than 60 years after the original book came out.
PooKneader 10 months ago
It is wild, to see people moving around on film, who lived over a hundred years ago !
56bluegold 10 months ago
@56bluegold indeed and considering the time the movie was made the ghost effect used when marley enters and walks around the room is incredible!
CallicoJackracham 1 week ago
lundehund44 it's a silent movie
cajubotoes 10 months ago
Hey, BFI, would it kill you to add music to this clip?
lundehund44 10 months ago
@lundehund44 Why do you need music to it?
sewitt60 3 months ago
I'm the actual discoverer of this film. I found it whilst working for The North West Film Archive, then a part of what was Manchester Polytechnic (now Manchester Metropolitan University) in the early '80s. The film somehow found its way, with other old films, to an antiques/junk shop in Wigan and I went to see what was in the collection. It took me probably less than a minute to realise it was something special. To my knowledge it's the only surviving copy in existence.
oi99uk 11 months ago 2
My fave incarnation is still 1983's MICKEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL.
SnugglySara 1 year ago
LOL XDD, the door xDD
gamer93nin 1 year ago
My house was built the same year this film was made. Incredible.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
Its incredible that they can encompasse the whole story practically in just over 3 minutes. Given that this is 109 years old, in the very early days of filming, it was a pretty good attempt.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
Marvelous, I can't get over how good the quality is for the age.
woofer32 1 year ago
this is really amazin!! :))) Even for such a movie made in 1901, look at the special effects they did. Even marley's ghost looks real
PapagenoJuan2 1 year ago
omg this is so old story i recently SAW CRISTMAS CAROL starring jim carry
gauravzerogravity 1 year ago
@gauravzerogravity Of course its old, A Christmas Carol was penned by Charles Dickens in 1843, and there been over 40 versions of the book made.
bigrigdriver99 1 year ago
@bigrigdriver99 40 VERSION REALLY GOOD THANX FOR THE KNOWLEDGE
gauravzerogravity 1 year ago
why i never get about these old incomplete movies is, how is it possible to have one piece of the movie and not the other? aren't the movies all suppose to be on the same reel together?
ultradumbass 1 year ago
Scrooge, or Marley's Ghost (1901) Comming soon on Blue-Ray =P
mrThorleifsen 1 year ago
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luv it! but i wish there is a finished video uploaded though...
jinguno 1 year ago
i luv it! but it got cut... wish there is a finished one uploaded
jinguno 1 year ago
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Brunoverdao15 1 year ago
thank you for this big juicy slice of history! yum! ^_^
customcartoons 1 year ago
This quite obviously real, and it has held up very well....you should try watching the 1903 Alice in Wonderland and you will see what i mean!
alanwright17 2 years ago 3
@alanwright17 not to mention "His Majesty the Scarecrow of Oz" (1914). Plays like a bad home movie...
customcartoons 1 year ago
Lame, but at least it`s better than a Kevin Smith film.
JackHauss 2 years ago
damn this is old. but classic
mryoshifreak 2 years ago 3
Looks as if Scrooge was being lambasted by the ghost of Christmas Pest, hahaha!
ANDROLOMA 2 years ago
I'm confused as to all the controversy; a quick google search turns up info on the IMDB as well as silenteradotcom and other sources, including the BFI. Why is everyone insisting this is undocumented and fake? I had no problem finding info on it. Search "Marley's Ghost".
calamtykel 2 years ago 3
Boy,
it would be incredible to be able to watch this in it's entirety.
themightycelestial 2 years ago 4
This may be real however if you compare it to the 1908 Edison version there are vast differences. I looked on the bfi but came up with nothing. may be because I'm in the states and not allowed access. I cannot find any other references to this 1901 version not even on IMDB would like more sources cuz some of this does smack of the modern..I'd love to be proven wroing
legomegacy 2 years ago
Just accept it as being real or you might just burn in hell. LOL
jetplane002 2 years ago
@legomegacy why are you not allowed access to the BFI british it maybe but its still pretty international..if there a poroblem at (if you pardon the xpression) your end?
radicalsystems 2 years ago
Fantastic!
XmasFLIX 2 years ago
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The black spot at 3:14 moves with the lens and not with the video. That is so fake. LOL
jetplane002 2 years ago
Why don't you click on "more info" and educate yourself a little?
morphybum 2 years ago 4
Well, no, actually it's not.
jjobie 2 years ago
@jjobie why do you think its fake RWPaul used to work for edison during kinetoscope years..
radicalsystems 2 years ago
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FAKE! that's fake jumpiness of the video and the props are too clean for it to be 1901. I don't think they had superimposing of one video on to another in 1901 either. Although there is a lot of defects flashing across the screen it just looks too clean.
jetplane002 2 years ago
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I'm with you. Too clean. It's fake. I know vintage film when I see it. Many many indicators her. Overly scratched film veneering a clean set. Modern look to peoples faces, brand spanking new fabric when this type of clothing could easily be found in 1901 and would have been chosen instead of making new outfits, especially for the Cratchits lol. I could go on but people are going to believe what they want to believe and I have a shawl that used to belong to Mae West I'd like to sell them.
Nadine91273 2 years ago
You are mistaken. This fragment has been posted on BFI's site and is available for downloading from their archive if you live in the U.K. Not every silent film in existence is in horrible condition today - especially ones that weren't shown over and over and over again (which is likely the case with this print, since the film itself doesn't strike me as very interesting and may not have made much of a stir back then either).
jjobie 2 years ago 4
its not fake it is real how about actually knowing something before you type it
butchyboxer 2 years ago 2
ok...if you say it is real then it must be real. I have watched a lot of silent films and to me it doesn't look real.
jetplane002 2 years ago
it is real just get over that your wrong
butchyboxer 2 years ago
ok I'm over it. it's real if you say so.
jetplane002 2 years ago
You might want to go to BFI's website and read up on this fragment of film.
jjobie 2 years ago 2
I love it ...and the fact that 1901 is still the Victorian Era - well a tiny bit of it - is poignant too....wouldn't Dickens have LOVED cinema
davidechallinor 2 years ago 5
I liked it, its a shame that alot of those old films got lost/distroyed etc better than the rubbish on tv now
weewees1 2 years ago
Yeah, and some that were on tape will have been recorded over because tape was expensive.
I remember reading about how all the original Dad's Army episodes were lost that way.
adcashmo 2 years ago
I've always wondered why people used to move so quickly in the olden days.
adcashmo 2 years ago
A lot of silent films are shown at the wrong frame rate. I attempted to correct one once, and it almost doubled in length.
jaredofmo 2 years ago
@adcashmo probably to lose weight:)
ultradumbass 1 year ago
finally, i see the oldest version. but it was set on a cardboard stage! the original era props wouldn't have even been antiques!
crashandbetty 2 years ago
Fantastic stuff!, and also amazing to think that A Christmas Carol was only 60 years old when this film was made. The equivelent of a contemporary film being set in the 1950's and yet even in this production 1840's London looks like a different world.
MrElliotpaige 2 years ago 2
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I have been trying to find this just to see it for historical value...but I really enjoyed it! 5/5!!
duanerichardson 2 years ago 2
Wow, this is phenomenal! Till this day, the film still looks new, and it just needs a new musical number to be added to it!
namsivad 2 years ago 5
They sure don't make 'em like they used to!
schwarzwaldvache 2 years ago 5
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thank god!
ovechkin100 2 years ago
wow!! thanks so much!!
amezzeray2 2 years ago 9
This is so cool. These maniacs rushing around in a medium that was daily new. So cool. Thank you very much for posting.
yaknbo 2 years ago 10
Neat. Thanks for share. ;)
80stimeagain 2 years ago 8
Awsome
arktoshorse 2 years ago 7
absolutely AMAZING!!!!
rhomo 2 years ago 19
I LOVE IT! I think it was great timing to post this on YouTube today. I think this is the week Disney will be releasing Dickens Christmas Carol in 3d this weekend. From the earliest version to the very latest in a sweep.
talfacprez 2 years ago 25
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WoW! Nice! Thanks for posting!
thecondor7 2 years ago 2