Maybe, but doesn't the separation of the Ti from karadi or move karate farther away from the root. To me, to separate Ti from Todi or karadi moves karate in the wrong direction. Just a thought.
@robertmrivers what is historical truth? Having trained at source I can say that those who teach Te (Ti and Udundi) do so under the label of karate. It only seems like being back here in the west people want ot box them all up as different arts.
@TheWayPlace Ti/ Di is not Udundi. Udundi is a ryu ha of its own. I was referring to the fact that Karate's progenitors, who never called it "karate" were influenced and propagated simply "Di", or Okinawan martial arts, which were influenced by many disciplines, including Motobu Udundi. My comment is in agreement with yours. The "majority" being what is taught on the mainland and in the west. The media and commercialism have changed what true Di is. In Okinawa, they don't
@robertmrivers I wasn't being obtuse I was a bit confused by the statement - but after posting realised I was more confused with the other poster (ronin). In either case hamachidori is a good training aid and the video is helpful for people to see some technique. My recent research has however made me question whether Udundi is a ryu ha though. The Motobu's were not the only family to have been granted an Udun status, I'm starting to view Udun-di as 'noble family hand'. Any thoughts on that?
@rosswoof Actually, I think it's just missing a colon and the use of "vs." might not be accurate. In Japanese, "kara" and "To" (as in Todi) are interchangeable depending on which kanji you are using. The transliteration provides a lot of freedom.
nifee debiru! great video
Tuigwaachan 4 months ago
Thank you for posting.
TheWayPlace 5 months ago
This video is mislabelled - the applied movements are not karate but Okinawa Ti
rosswoof 1 year ago
@rosswoof
Maybe, but doesn't the separation of the Ti from karadi or move karate farther away from the root. To me, to separate Ti from Todi or karadi moves karate in the wrong direction. Just a thought.
ronin752 1 year ago
@ronin752 Well said. Funny how the majority rules what karate "is" and the historical truth is swept under the carpet...
robertmrivers 5 months ago
@robertmrivers what is historical truth? Having trained at source I can say that those who teach Te (Ti and Udundi) do so under the label of karate. It only seems like being back here in the west people want ot box them all up as different arts.
TheWayPlace 5 months ago
@TheWayPlace Ti/ Di is not Udundi. Udundi is a ryu ha of its own. I was referring to the fact that Karate's progenitors, who never called it "karate" were influenced and propagated simply "Di", or Okinawan martial arts, which were influenced by many disciplines, including Motobu Udundi. My comment is in agreement with yours. The "majority" being what is taught on the mainland and in the west. The media and commercialism have changed what true Di is. In Okinawa, they don't
robertmrivers 5 months ago
@robertmrivers I wasn't being obtuse I was a bit confused by the statement - but after posting realised I was more confused with the other poster (ronin). In either case hamachidori is a good training aid and the video is helpful for people to see some technique. My recent research has however made me question whether Udundi is a ryu ha though. The Motobu's were not the only family to have been granted an Udun status, I'm starting to view Udun-di as 'noble family hand'. Any thoughts on that?
TheWayPlace 5 months ago
@TheWayPlace stratify the different disciplines like they do here. I've trained in Okinawa as well. I'm with ya!
robertmrivers 5 months ago
@robertmrivers .... not that these arts really need any more defining and pigeon holing!
TheWayPlace 5 months ago
@rosswoof Actually, I think it's just missing a colon and the use of "vs." might not be accurate. In Japanese, "kara" and "To" (as in Todi) are interchangeable depending on which kanji you are using. The transliteration provides a lot of freedom.
robertmrivers 5 months ago
this is terrific, thank you for posting
odori08 1 year ago