I refuse to compromise my home security by NOT having it well lit at night. To me, the whole thing seems a bit like "...gulping down the camel while straining out the gnat." I do recycle my plastics...because it makes me feel better. I hate the thought of throwing out perfectly good containers by the dozens (dish soap, laundry detergent, soda, shampoo bottles, etc); however, we have no proof that they are going to a better use; only the hope that they do. // The Gentleman made perfect sense 2 me
I've already had two flourescent bulbs burn out in the last few years after using them for less than a year. So far they're not more efficient than regular bulbs and the light they put off sucks.
@LisaBaby67 This whole "green" thing is a scam. They're trying to get our money. They want us to buy expensive bulbs that dont last any longer than incandescents, and that look like crap. The guy in this video has his head on right. This woman is a complete nut job and needs to get her head examined.
Who really cares how "efficient" bulbs are? And, seriously, what is wrong with using your light bulbs as part of your heating system? Was there ANY consideration about where the heat from the bulb went to? Just look at the efficiency of an electric heater, using something like 1500 watts and putting out zip for light. Are they now going to outlaw electric heaters?
@lochinvar00465 Light bulbs don't have a thermostat. It wouldn't make sense to integrate one, because then you'd sit in the dark whenever it's comfortably warm but already rather dark outside. So they can't possibly be efficient except for environments where it is always colder than would be comfortable. In such an environment, I would, however, want my heater to be very close to ground level to minimize heat just going up, into the cold, without being of any use to me.
@VonDenHottentotten i could be wrong but i believe that if incandescents were really that bad for the environment, they wouldnt have exemptions from this so called "ban". Even though there is a ban or i should say, "an efficiency standard" there are multiple incandescents that are not included in the ban. (flood light versions, 3-way bulbs, decorative bulbs such as the candlabra and globe bulbs and anything under 40watts and higher than 100watts) Another reason why i also think the ban is crazy
@noreaga12326 Why wouldn't there be any expemptions from the ban, if the bulbs that are exempt aren't used for "heavy duty" residential lighting anyways, like the 60W to 125W ones are? In fact, the very very least I expect from the government is to not ban 40W incandescents until there were cfls with a colour temperature of 2100K to 2300K that would still have a colour rendering index of at least 80. So far there aren't any cfls like that, that I'm aware of, and there may never be.
@VonDenHottentotten i guess its good that they have more choices in bulbs so that everyone can buy what they want. But yes, goverment restricting consumer choice is crazy. I hear that places like Europe and Austalia totally banned them. However, unless its illegal, ppl could probably still order incandescents online through e-bay or another website. Yes, ur right, a 40 watt bulb shouldnt be banned but i think UNFORTUNATLY its included in the ban. Unless they can make halogens to match it
@noreaga12326 In Europe all incandescents including halogens will be banned by 2016 if I recall correctly. It's madness.
The light industry pulled off quite a trick by supporting a ban, because they don't want to make incandescents anymore and don't want any new kids on the scene basically, that would satisfy the ongoing demand for incandescents. And then governments "fell" for their trick, one after another. ;(
@noreaga12326 I think you can only buy from stocks that still exists somewhere, but I don't think you can import new incandescents from India or China or whatever.
A 30-something watt halogen would replace a 40W incandescent, but it would have a higher colour temperature, so halogens aren't perfect either, when it comes to light quality.
@VonDenHottentotten i have to agree with u on the halogen bulbs. They ALMOST match the incandescents we're used to seeing today, but theres a tiny bit of a difference in color. my mother has 2 halogen bulbs in her lamps in the living room and not just from the color of light but i could also tell from the shape. The shape is once again ALMOST like the ones we're used to seeing today except it has a bit of a funnier shape. Kind of like a pair.
@VonDenHottentotten i think i mentioned b4 that the other problem that i've seen with CFL bulbs is the false advertisement. Many of them dont last any longer than a standard bulb. My girlfriend lives in a building where its all cfls and every other week, the maintance guy has to replace a bulb. Thats bad for the consumer because they're expensive to buy. I could be wrong but i think i heard somewhere that Texas and South Carolina managed to repeal the bulb. lets see how they do here in New York
@noreaga12326 I agree that there's lots of false advertising: An 11W cfl just doesn't replace a 60W incandescent as is often claimed, and a cfl without a pre-heating mechanism (all the cheap ones basically) just won't last nearly as long as advertised. Cheap cfls are like cheap computer power supply units: If they don't explode right in your face, you're lucky.
Never buy any cheap electronic stuff is what I always tell people.
@noreaga12326 Then again 40W incandescents are kinda in between decorative and heavy duty lighting, so that's the highest wattage the government shouldn't even have to ban if there's just no adequate replacement.
@VonDenHottentotten u seem to know the colors from ur cfl bulbs. I have seen them trying to make cfls the same light color as incandescents but you appear to be right about not having that more reddish spectrum. And as i said b4, the issue isnt only the appearence of the bulbs but the fact that they dont fit in all light fixtures. Most light fixtures we have in our homes today is mainly made for incandescent bulb use only.
@noreaga12326 Yeah, a little more red would certainly be a nice-to-have. Even if that could never be done though, it's not like we still only had old halophosphors with zero or hardly any red.
@noreaga12326 Cfls come in so many different shapes and sizes today, they may not fit into all fixtures but certainly the lion's share.
I myself got this torchiere (or whatever it's called), that I got a cfl for and it's sticking out a bit, makes the whole thing look kinda like a mystics's staff, so I actually think it's cool. But I can understand if someone wouldn't like that.
@lochinvar00465 Just goes to show how bad our eyes+brain combination really is, if it only takes a cfl with a triphosphor for it's light to be actually good, not perfect of course, but perfectly okay for residential use.
Seriously, they talk about environment, but how much damage does the toxic build up of mercury do to the environment? How many species are we going to kill off with all that mercury, let alone ruin our health and our children's? Who hasn't broken a light bulb in their life? So when the inevitable happens we will be forced to breath toxic fumes in our homes so serious that it is recommended by experts that we must replace all carpets (too dangerous to vaccum), it's the new asbestos.
@ctoon6, 300,000? Most homes have up to 10 of these things or more and there isn't a choice, which means just about every home will be using them. That would run into the millions.
Most people are not aware enough to air the room, nor are they made aware of the dangers of these things. Something that can be so easily broken & contains mercury is not safe. Scientists suggest if it breaks onto carpet it should be replaced, they can continue to produce toxic fumes for months after the break.
@ctoon6 From what many ppl told me and my experience, most CFLs dont last any longer than an incandescent bulb. Sure maybe a cfl saves a bit of energy and thats because they're about as bright as a candle. the consumer outa be the ones to decide on how much energy they can save or how much they wana spend. i've used cfls many years ago and let me tell u, their light quality and performance is CRAP. So i dont care how "efficient" they are. I refuse to turn my house looking like a shopping mall
@ctoon6 i certainly will use any bulb that i wish. I assume that you're also paying for your own electric bills.. correct? If thats the case, why would u be comfortable with this idiot woman and government telling u what to use in YOUR own home?
@noreaga12326 i never said that i agreed with the government telling people what light bulbs they can and can not buy. and if i paid for my own electricity, then wouldn't it be beneficial for me to use CFLs, as they do in fact use less electricity.
@ctoon6 you're right about cfls using less electricity.the down side is that their light performance (TO ME) is no good and they take forever to come to their full brightness. i guess you've been one of the lucky ones who hasnt had one burn out in a long time because the ones i've used didnt even last me a year and many people have told me the same thing about them. So yes, perhaps ur saving on ur electric bill but spending alot on buying them. Especially since many of them dont last as promised
These things are dangerous. I gave little thought to them until about a year ago, that's when my terrible health problems started. I have always been very health conscious, never had a sick day. Yet I have suffered a dramatic and debilitating mystery illness and after tireless researching, all of my symptoms are those of mercury toxicity - a year ago I broke one of these toxic time bombs & had no idea about the mercury. That's about the time my 'mystery' symptoms started.
@jtking2504 Sorry to say, but it's very unlikely that your health was affected noticably by just one broken cfl, even if you didn't ventilate the room and clean up properly afterwards.
That is if you didn't eat the cfl or weren't just a few years old or younger when it happened, which I guess isn't the case. So your symptoms are far more likely to come from something else or be psychosomatic.
@VonDenHottentotten The fact that you say that humans are responsible for climate change is absolutely incredible. If you really believe that cfl light bulbs will reverse climate change, then you seriously need to check yourself into a mental institute and get your brain examined. The climate has, and always will change. In fact, i've noticed that here in the NorthEast, we have had much colder than normal temperatures these few years.
@noreaga12326 As I said, climate change is a well established scientific fact, whether you like it or not. If you got data to show otherwise, feel free to win a new scientific consensus, which you will, if your data is actually good.
Who cares what climate change you have noticed in your area. Anecdotal evidence is known to be the worst form of evidence. Also, this is about global climate change, not local climate change.
@noreaga12326 And no, I do not believe energy efficient lighting alone can limit or stop, let alone reverse climate change. In fact, I have my doubts whether it can be reversed or stopped, but that's just me.
I am, however, convinced that energy efficiency in general can help in gradually reducing carbon emissions over the next few decades and therefore help to limit climate change.
@VonDenHottentotten As far as the cfls bulb itself, the lifetime of MANY of those bulbs dont last any long than an incandescent, their light quality is absolutely shitty, they dont fit in all the fixtures of most homes and it has mercury. Im not paying thousands of dollars to change my fixtures just because a bunch of moron tree huggers CLAIM that it will save the planet. The person that owns the house and pays the light bill, outa be the ones to decide what bulbs they can use. go get some help
@noreaga12326 Cheap cfls (the 6000h ones) don't have a pre-heating mechanism, so they can die pretty quickly if switched on and off very frequently. But the ones that do have a pre-heating mechanism (the 8000h or better ones) are pretty reliable, because their filaments don't usually die early.
It's also an utter exaggeration to say that their light quality is "shitty". That may again be true for the cheap ones and there are branded cfls out there that don't make sense...
@noreaga12326 For example: 11 Watts or lower and a colour temperature of 2700K° or higher doesn't make sense. 11 Watts should have 2500K°, lower than 11W shouldn't even be around, until they invent cfls with 2300K° or lower.
Higher than 11 Watts and 2500K° doesn't make sense either.
Dimmable cfls can only suck, because their colour temperature doesn't change along with their brigthness.
@noreaga12326 But since the invention of triphosphors (which also improved lumen maintenance), the colour rendering of a _good_(!!) cfl will be okay for thousands of hours. It's only after thousands of hours that a good one will start to degenerate significantly and give off a pinkish light.
And yes, I do realize that cfls don't fit into all fixtures, but guess what...
@VonDenHottentotten I believe that we should have sensible laws from government (Not driving on the wrong side of the street, not taking red lights, etc etc) But telling ppl what bulbs they can buy for their own house is going way too far. All these greenies and lib-tards are way too much in everyone else's pants. we have used "inefficient" technology for over 100 years and they've worked pretty well. So i say, Screw the government and these moron greenies. Its my house and i'l use what i want
@noreaga12326 That's a reason why I am opposed to a ban of any incandescent lamp myself. Instead, there should be some sort of tax on their inefficiency. That way people could still use a few incandescents where you really can't get a good replacement, and mostly use cfl or led-lamps, because, hands down, in most fixtures made for the typical 60 Watt-or-more-incandescent, you certainly can replace them pretty well.
@VonDenHottentotten boy, u sure have a lot to say dont u? As far as climate change, maybe the climate is changing, but humans have ZERO effect. As i said, as long as there's a planet earth, the weather will always go through phases where it warms up and cools down. Its always been that way even b4 humans were around. U outa look at the fact that its possible that scientists are getting paid to bull shit to public about "climate change". Please dont let Al gore brain wash u any further
@noreaga12326 Of course I have a lot to say, because there's lots and lots of myths out there.
Sorry to say, but it's already been scientifically established that humans are indeed responsible for the current climate change. Just because the climate changed in the past doesn't mean we couldn't have been responsible for a change for the last few decades. Even in the 70s scientists suspected that we have been changing the climate pretty much since the beginning of industrialisation.
@noreaga12326 It is a myth that scientists in the 70s thought there may be another ice age just a few decades or centuries ahead! Back then the consensus was indeed that there may be man made global warming but there was a need for more data and better climate modeling. We have that now. Man made global warming is a fact, whether you or I believe in it or not.
And as for scientists being paid to lie: Don't be ridiculous! It's Big Oil and Big Energy that got more money than...
@noreaga12326 ... all the "greens" together. And it is Big Oil and Big Energy that would be most interested in there being no consensus on climate change. Still we do have that consensus.
Anyways, if you do lie as a scientist, expect other scientists working in that field to rip you apart, in public! If you can prove another scientist is lying, that's a major boost of your career right there! ;) This is why science works.
@VonDenHottentotten Talking about the light bulbs, i cant believe that you cant tell the difference. im aware that cfls come in different colors but none of them look attractive to me. to me, they're harsh and ugly. The only good thing here is that the ban doesnt include all incandescents. 3 way bulbs, flood versions, candle shaped bulbs, rough service and colored bulbs and decorative bulbs are not included in the ban, thankfully.
I did not say that I couldn't see a difference or that there was no difference! Just that there isn't much of a difference, especially in the example I mentioned.
You know, it's interesting that you often hear people say how amazing the colours of HD film material is on a modern HD televison. But then, I guess, many of those same people claim that cfls give off a "harsh and ugly light". Well...
@noreaga12326 ... TVs and cfls _basically_ produce white (be it soft, neutral, cool or daylight white) the same way: By giving off some redish, greenish and blueish light.
Sorry to disappoint, but human eyes and the brain's vision processing just aren't all that great. ;) So it only takes some red, green and blue to make a white that may not be perfect, but will be okay.
@VonDenHottentotten 1st off, nobody is putting words into ur mouth, so calm your nerves. by saying "there isnt much difference in the light these bulbs produce" is almost the same thing. by comparing tv's to light bulbs proves how tiny your brain is. it amazes me how u greenies like to make extreme comparisons to make ur arguments look better. Just because the technology is "new" doesnt make it good. the tv's computers and cell phones have come along way. (continued)
@noreaga12326 Don't be a total idiot! You did put words into my mouth! Everyone can read your comment and mine and see that you did! ;)
By disputing that TVs and cfls with a triphosphor do basically produce a white the same way you proved that you're totally misinformed about cfls with a triphosphor. Get an education!
Yeah, TVs have come a long way and so have phosphors!
@VonDenHottentotten what you're referring to has nothing to do with light bulbs or whats efficient and inefficient. Stick with the subject. "inefficient" lighting, dishwashers and washing machines have been around for a long time and have done a great job. So who gives a rats ass if its "efficient" or not. Besides the new bulbs, I've heard MANY complains about these so called "efficient" products. Theres no point in having something thats efficient if the performance is crap. go seek help now
@noreaga12326 You're telling me to stick to the subject and YOU suddenly come up with the topic of efficiency again, rather than light quality, which is what was the last thing we talked about? Wow, you're not just being a total idiot, you're also being a jerk!
Yeah, ineffiecent devices have done a great job at working AT ALL! They have not done a great job at working efficiently, obviously!
I do not care about what you've heard. That's anecdotal evidence all over again! Worthless!
@VonDenHottentotten looks like im starting to really get to u huh? I got u going crazy and name calling on a utube video. The fact that u compare a cfl bulb to the light of the new tv's that are out now, proves to everyone here how tiny your brain is. Why would i wana use a light bulb thats the same color as my tv? Further more, why do u care if other people are using "inefficient" or "efficient" products? This is whats wrongs with this world. ppl like U always meddling into other ppls business
@noreaga12326 Don't worry, you're not getting to me. That takes a lot more than just another jerk on the internet like you. ;) I'm not so sure about whether I may be getting to you, however.
It's also you who started the namecalling: That bullshit about brain size. One certainly has to wonder about the capabilities of your brain, can't be that good, really.
@noreaga12326 So why would you want to use a light bulb that basically produces light the way a TV does? Because it gives off 4 to 5 times more lumen per watt than an an incandescent and many times the latters life expectancy, while the cfl quality is not significantly worse.
And if people can save quite a bit of energy without a significant loss in quality of life, they certainly should go for the more energy efficient technology.
@noreaga12326 This wouldn't be so if the earth's atmosphere could easily take many times as much carbon emissions as it currently does, without it starting to get significantly warmer. But unfortunately, it just isn't so and that's a fact!
And it's jerks like you who skrew up this place for future generations and probably even this one when I'm old!
@VonDenHottentotten Here in the good old USA, is the land of the free. Not the land of the government. I dont care how "efficient" light bulbs are. To me, there light quality is ugly. I"m not using ugly bulbs in my home or making my house look like the inside of a hospital waiting room because u greenies CLAIM it will help save the planet or "reverse climate change." Heres a solution, worry about how much energy YOU'RE using and quit worrying about the next person.
@noreaga12326 Even in the US you have plenty of regulations. No country could thrive without that and not fall into utter anarchy. And since it's basically society regulating itself in a democracy or republic, there's nothing to be said against regulating per se (if you even know that term), because one can always openly criticise a regulation and try to win over the majority to change or undo it. So if you want the ban to be undone, I actually agree with that, as stated earlier.
@noreaga12326 But if you want there to be no action of any sort (like a tax on their inefficiency) against incandescents at all, no one should agree with that, becuase it's bull.
We need energy efficiency whether you like it or not. So governments actually owe it to their people to regulate in some way for energy efficiency/against energy ineffiency. No one's living in a bubble where he can't possibly affect other people's lives significantly.
@VonDenHottentotten once again, these so called "scientists" who say that global warming is caused by humans are most likely getting paid to tell the public that. In about 30 yrs from now, when u see no significant change in weather, u'l feel stupid. i think i told u in earlier posts that the North East got October snow which RARELY happens. that hasnt happened in 50 years. last year and the year b4 that, south florida had record cold temperatures and it snowed in New orleans. (continued)
@noreaga12326 I already told you why it's awfully ridiculous to think we only have this consensus, because a bunch of people have been paid: The greens aren't even the ones with the really really big money to begin with.
Also, in science you are expected by all others to be open with your data anyway, so other scientists will _love_ to rip you apart in public, if they can find even the slightest error. Science works.
I am still not impressed in any way by your anecdotes.
@VonDenHottentotten No matter what u say and believe, you have been brain washed into believing in "man-made climate change* I hope u dont say that out loud cuz ppl will look at u like ur mentally insane. As far as the light bulbs, im glad that u dont think that government shouldnt tell u when to make love, eat etc etc. But telling ppl what bulbs they can buy is almost the same as government coming into my house telling me what lights to use and not to use.
@VonDenHottentotten my using incandescent bulbs are not affecting u in anyway. In fact, this so called "ban" is a complete waste of time. Look at all the people that have stocked up on traditional bulbs. Those bulbs will wind up in ppls homes and they will still use it anyway. So this "ban" will not do any good. And statistics show that millions of ppl all over the world has stocked up. Even a few states here already repealed this silly ban.
@noreaga12326 Yeah, there should never have been a ban and then people would never have stocked up on these incandescents.
If there were an inefficency-tax on them instead, people would actually avoid buying and using them wherever possible, but they wouldn't panic. Incandescents would be reduced to a niche lighting solution, which is exactly where they really belong.
@VonDenHottentotten you're right, there shouldnt have been a ban. This is just 1 example of the idiots in congress making decisions without thinking. i've heard of ppl who have had "energy efficient" washing machines and dryers and from what i heard, they didnt do such a great job and washing or drying the clothes. again thats what i heard. i havent used them so i dont know.
@VonDenHottentotten As far as the cfl bulb itself, RIP OFF! Most of them dont last as long as you're told. Even the ones that do last, they get dimmer after a while. So after a while, ur paying all that money to buy a bulb that doesnt work and have lousy performance. I have incandescents that have not burned out in years. so all this talk about "CFLS LASTING LONGER THAN INCANDC." is bull shit. i say.. fuck going green. I'm not as paranoid as u are about this "green" shit. keep the posts coming
@noreaga12326 We've already talked about this. CFLs that suck are cheap through and through, they don't have a pre-heating mechanism, probably have bad, largely untested phosphor quality and cheap and often unwisely chosen components for their electric balast. So don't buy them unless you want to be disappointed.
But do add a pre-heating mechanism that's even half-way good, do control the design and manufacturing processes a bit better and you got a reliable technology.
@noreaga12326 And there are even top-notch cfls that have a mean time between failures of about 20000h and are good for several hundred thousand switching cycles, because they have a little microcontroller chip that is controlling the pre-heating process. One of those will probably still have about 80%, if not more, of its initial brightness after those 20000h.
@noreaga12326 You can't even get close to that reliability with an incandescent (yes, I do know about the Centennial Light bulb, but that one started off as a 60W incandescent and now it's down to 4W, talk about getting dimmer. ;) )
@VonDenHottentotten you said "So governments actually owe it to their people to regulate in some way for energy efficiency/against energy ineffiency." WRONGGG.. government is way too much in everyone elses jock. Again, the government isnt paying my light bill.. I AM. therefore, i will decide how i want my house lit. u wana talk about energy consumption? If ur so concerned about that, u should write to congress and ask them why the lights in the white house is on 24/7. Thats wasting energy there
@noreaga12326 Since there is man made global warming that can be limited by reducing carbon emissions, the goverment is more than justified in taking action for more energy efficiency, which is about getting at least almost as much quality for less watt. If there's no significant loss of quality of life you are certainly entitled to complain all you want, but people shouldn't take you seriously. I certainly don't.
@VonDenHottentotten you are taking me serious because you keep trying to convince me that "man made climate change" is possible. Im not taking u seriously either. In fact, im laughing at u. Thinking that we are causing climate change lol So YOU and your other mentally challenged liberal friends are doing all the complaining. complaining about any and little thing. Again, This world was a fine place until you liberals started whining like little girls complaining about everything and anything.
@noreaga12326 No, I'm not taking you seriously but I do think it's worth to ocassionally debunk myths out on the web where everyone can read them. Someone's got to raise his voice against bull. And the comment section of this video is full of it.
@VonDenHottentotten if u agree that incandescents are ok over the cfl, then whats this debate about? Other than the fact that u believe in man made climate change and i dont
@noreaga12326 If it weren't for man made global warming, I would probably use some incandescents here and there, but it would still make sense to do most lighting with cfls and/or leds to save some money. Also, I want my lighting to heat up the room as little as possible in the summer, when it's still hot in the evening but already pretty dark outside, what about you? More power usage _always_ means more heat output. Ever thought of that advantage over energy inefficiency? ;)
@noreaga12326 Idealy, one would want _all_ heating to be done by devices actually made for that, because they have a thermostat so they switch off when the room reaches a certain temperature or don't even switch on if it doesn't go below that temperature.
But you wouldn't build in a thermostat into a light bulb, would you?
Another cool advantage leds have over both incandescents and cfls: They're more resistive to shock.
@VonDenHottentotten u brought up a good point about incandescents heating up ur house in the summer when theres no need for it. Keeping the light off during the day and letting natural day light come in your home would be a great option. However, during the winter, heat from incandescents are welcomed. so it wouldnt be "wasted" heat during the winter months when heat is needed the most. I can afford to have incandescents so its not a big deal for me.
@noreaga12326 I already had a feeling you wouldn't get what I said about heat output in the summer, doh.
If you don't live in a desert or something, but in a city like most people, heat will often get "trapped" over night. In the desert it gets really cold over night, in the city it only really does if it's not really warm let alone hot during the day to begin with. And you didn't know that? So we got a problem here with these awfully inefficent incandescents, don't we?
@noreaga12326 Already dark outside but still pretty hot? Have fun sweating more than you would need to, thanks to a few hundred watts rather than a few dozen watts just to light up the damn living room.
@VonDenHottentotten im sorry to breatk this to u, but me and MOST ppl dont wana live like that. Incandescent bulbs have been around for over 100 years and these so called other "inefficient" products have also been around for decades and they've done a great job. so it doesnt matter to me if its inefficient or efficient. I'm the guy paying the bills, so let me worry about that. It will be ok :)
@VonDenHottentotten Thanks for the lesson but i do know a bit about weather and how heat is trapped in urban areas. For example, here in NYC during the summer months, the low temperature rarely gets below 70 degrees and in the burbs, the temperature drop down the about 60. once again, incandescents have been around for over 100 years and nobody has complained about it "polluting the environment" except for these mental case greenies.
@noreaga12326 Only that those "greenies" are the folks who actually realize how much coal is burned needlessly, just to have incandescents (and halogen bulbs too) put out tiny amounts of visible light per watt.
Generally, the public may not be as aware of their carbon footprint as much of course. But scientists are and the government should care about what science is able to tell them and then take action as needed (which it is).
@VonDenHottentotten i gota say, you confuse me a bit. I THINK u said that u didnt agree with this so called "bulb ban" and now from what u saying, u think that we shouldnt use incandescents because of the atmosphere. Well as i told u b4, the same thing can be said about CFL bulbs. it contains MERCURY. Funny how these wacko environmentalists claim to be about a cleaner planet and still promote toxic bulbs.
@noreaga12326 I already explained that I am opposed to a ban of incandescents (or halogens), but FOR an "inefficiency-tax" on them, and you're still confused? Wow, no wonder you come up with all this bull in this whole discussion.
@noreaga12326 Good point you bring up about mercury. Cfls contain only little amounts of it (and good ones just 1.4 to 3.5 milligrams), so if you know how to handle them if the break, there's virtually zero effect on your health. What should be changed is that there should always be advice on how to handle them if they break right in the package (currently it's often just an address of a website, but that's not enough).
@VonDenHottentotten government, a lot of the scientists and al whore are scammers only out for the big bucks. to think that a light bulb can contribute to the planet warming up makes u mentally insande. as i said b4, when the earth cools down again in a few years, then hopefully u'l wake up and smell the coffee but i doubt it
@noreaga12326 You know, I wonder how many people in the middle ages said "if you think the earth revolves around the sun, rather than the other way around, you're mentally insane". ;) It's not me who's likely to be wrong, it's you and very much so.
@noreaga12326 As for the mercury getting into the atmosphere: Coal also usually contains some mercury too and we burn lots and lots of that. So even if a cfl isn't disposed off properly, on average you still actually save the atmosphere some mercury emissions.
But as I said earlier, there should be an incentive for people to dispose off them properly.
@VonDenHottentotten Yes, maybe cfls have a little mercury in them. But how many ppl do u think are gona actually drive a light bulb in their cars just to dispose a cfl light bulb??? Especially with the cost of gas these days. use your head buddy! with incandescents, if it breaks, we dont have to worry about all that. CFLs have to be dispose of properly, they're expensive, they dont last as long as they tell u it does and their light quality looks like shit. I'm sticking with incandescents
@noreaga12326 If you got a broken cfl, put it in a box and take it with you the next time you go somewhere near where you can dispose off it. Ever thought of that? I guess not. You're the one who should use his head.
@VonDenHottentotten by the way, since many ppl are not gona dispose cfls properly, all that "little mecury" adds up and then we'l have a huge mess to this planet. Again, if you're so concerned about "energy efficiency" u should write a letter to the president and ask him why he leaves his lights on 24/7. If u ask me, thats "wasting energy." These greenies are hyprocrats. They promote energy savings and energy consumption but dont practice what they preach. have fun with ur toxic energy bulbs
@noreaga12326 And by burning lots of coal needlessly, significantly more mercury is released right into the atmosphere, while if there's an incentive to dispose off cfls properly, the difference becomes even more significant in favor of using cfls.
@noreaga12326 About this thing with the white house being lighted 24/7: Certainly, they shouldn't light up rooms when no ones in them, but since it's a monument, in my opinion it's okay to illuminate the outside of the building a bit. With energy efficient lighting, not excessively, not turned on too early in the evening, not turned off too late in the morning, but _per se_ it's fine to illuminate a monument.
@VonDenHottentotten im gona try to keep this short. i think i said this b4 in a previous post. I think its safe to say that MOST people are not you. (living their lives being paranoid about every little thing we use). i believe that if incandescents were really that bad, they wouldnt of made it for as long as they did. see, when i come home from work or anywhere else, i like to have pleasent lighting. I'm not using ugly lights because greenies like u are scared of the planet collapsing
@noreaga12326 Well, you bet cfl's market share today would be _way_ higher, had they been ready for residential use in the early 70s, when there where these major energy crises. In fact, that's when GE started research on how to make flourescent lamps compact and GE's brilliant engineer Edward E. Hammer came up with the idea of shaping the tube like a spiral, that way inventing the first cfl. His colleagues actually advised himto not even try developing that...
@noreaga12326 ... because they thought that there would be so much reflection that it would be hardly more energy efficient than an incandescent. They were wrong. But there was a real problem back then: It was hard to make such a cfl and therefore too expensive to manufacture en masse. And high frequency, electric ballasts weren't ready either so it would have had to have a low frequency, conventional ballast that would buzz and the light would flicker visibly.
@noreaga12326 It just took until the early to mid 2000s for the technology to be ready for prime time, and it was actually the ballast that was to blame. The phosphor has been at least okay-ish since the 80s (though it has certainly improved since then as well).
But since even today, there are still lots of cheap, bad cfls out there, it's just no wonder that there is such a low consumer acceptance, especially when there's all these myths and misregulation.
@noreaga12326 So just give it some time and people will do most high wattage (over 11W) lighting with cfls and low wattage lighting with LEDs. Incandescents are a done deal, one way or another.
@VonDenHottentotten thanks for the info. the only way that incandescents are a done deal is if they dramatically improve on these efficient bulbs which so far, MOST ppl dont think. The Halogen bulb is gona be around for at least another 8 years and i've heard that some of those bulbs are as much as 50% efficient and they're still trying to build some more efficiency into them. we'l see what happens. the reason why cfls are more efficient is cuz now, they're about as bright as a candle.
@noreaga12326 Most people probably never replaced even one frosted 60W incandescent (which is the most typical incandescent) with a good 13 to 15W cfl with a colour temperature of 2700K. So if they still think cfls aren't ready yet, they are simply wrong and uninformed/misinformed.
Improving incandescent's energy efficiency by 50% or even 100% is still a bad joke. It's better than nothing but not nearly as good as can be.
@noreaga12326 Really think cfls are "about as bright as a candle"? One could actually make you see how TOTALLY NONSENSICAL that statement is by placing a 60W cfl next to a 60W incandescent. THEN tell me which one is closer to the brightness of a candle. ;)
@VonDenHottentotten ok the statement that i made about a cfl "being as bright as a candle" means that they're not very bright. as i said, many cfls dont last any longer than incandescents and the ones that do last get dimme. making incandescents more efficient whether its 50% or 100% is a great idea. That way they'l be more choices for EVERYONE. here, in the USA, nobody has a right to tell u what bulbs u can use. if CFLs are improving, comsumers will buy them. thankfully i have stocked up.
@noreaga12326 Wrong again (and again and again). They are extremely bright: Say you got a luminaire that's designed for a 60W incandescent, but instead of replacing the 60W incandescent with a good 13 to 15W cfl to get about the same brightness (even over thousands of hours if it's a _good_ one!), you could also replace it with an 18W cfl and get about the brightness of a 75W incandescent.
Dude, do you finaly realize you got NO idea WHATSOEVER what you're talking about?
@VonDenHottentotten as i told u b4, im not gona live my life being paranoid about everything. if YOU wana limit yourself to products that u can use because you're concerned about the planet, go for it. But to force everyone else to live that life style is not the answer. CFLs are not even close to having the nice light quality that incandescents have. thats my opinion. the planet will not die cuz of me using incandescents so try not to lose sleep over it buddy
@noreaga12326 If there weren't a ban but a tax on ineffciency, people could still decide what they want to spend their money on. That way it would be fair and incandescents would still be reduced to a niche lighting solution.
@VonDenHottentotten did u ever stop and think that not everyone likes CFLs or LEDS? no matter how much improvement they TRY to make on cfls, their light quality is ugly will never match the nice warm light incandescents have. I normally dont speak for anyone but myself but statistics show that MOST people prefer incandescents. U greenies need to start accepting that most ppl dont live like you (being paranoid) worry about your energy consumption and quit being a little busy body
@VonDenHottentotten "blah blah blah = it upsets u that most ppl like ME dont like cfls. Get over it. I have seen MANY cfls in MANY colors and none of them look as nice as the good old incandescents. Stop worrying so much about what me and others have in our homes. Its none of your business if i wana use incandescents, cfls, leds or candles.
@VonDenHottentotten U like cfls, and thats fine. We all have different taste. Im gona say this just once and once only. No matter how efficient or new the product is. If they dont perform the way the consumer likes, then its pointless. Again, im not using ugly lighting just because you leaf eaters are paranoid about the earth falling apart. Its a lose, lose situation for the greenies anyway cuz most ppl like me have stocked up BIG TIME on incandescents. Enough to last us a life time
@noreaga12326 The sensible thing the government should do to undo the damage done by deciding for a ban rather than an inefficiency tax, thereby causing people to panic and stock up like there was no tomorrow, would be to offer to buy back those stocked up incandescents and eventually go for undoing the ban and then implement the ineffieciency tax.
@noreaga12326 But even if that's never going to happen (and I doubt it ever will), those stocks are limited. New generations are growing up and as they move into their first own appartement or whatever, they'll be more inclined to try out cfls and leds and then realize: Depending on what model you choose, they're light quality is not significantly worse, but they do save you quite a bit of money.
So the damage done by causing people to stock up is itself limited anyways.
@VonDenHottentotten No matter how hard u try, you're not going to convince me to use cfls or leds. ppl like u are a bunch of commies, trying to turn America into a country like cuba. Thankfully, most americans are smart enough to stand up to such insane things. I dont take someone like u seriously, especially since you're nuts thinking that incandescents are helping to warm up the planet. You stick with ur gloomy, swirly toxic bulbs and i'l stick with my nice lighting.
@VonDenHottentotten No matter how hard u try, you're not going to convince me to use cfls or leds. ppl like u are a bunch of commies, trying to turn America into a country like cuba. Thankfully, most americans are smart enough to stand up to such insane things. I dont take someone like u seriously, especially since you're nuts thinking that incandescents are helping to warm up the planet. You stick with ur gloomy, swirly toxic bulbs and i'l stick with my nice lighting.
@noreaga12326 If I really was a "commie", I'd probably agree with the ban, which I don't. I believe in allowing people to choose, but if their choice is bad for the environment, it should come at a certain price.
@VonDenHottentotten How is it that you dont agree with the ban and allowing people the right to choose but yet, u seem to be upset at the fact that most ppl dont like cfls? U know whats funny? I've heard some of these greenies say that there are cfls that have "warm lighting". I cracked up when reading that. it is impossible for a flourecent light to have "warm lighting". This is why i prefer incandescents. Now i like the old skool flourecents like the tubes and circular. But not CFLs
@noreaga12326 If there was no ban and no inefficiency tax either, people would often decide against cfls out of ignorance of how good they've really become. An inefficiency tax would make people more inclined to just give them a chance and an honest one at that, without pissing them off as much as the ban does, because without a ban, people could still get incandescents if they want to. An inefficiency tax would basically put things into perspective.
@noreaga12326 As I said earlier, just replace a typical frosted 60W with a good 13W to 15W cfl and a colour temperature of 2700K and you will still get warm lighting. Sure, even good cfls could still use a little bit more red in their spectrum, that's still their weakest spot. It's just that their weakest spot isn't so weak anymore, that there's a significant difference between them and the incandescents they're supposed to replace, except for incandescents that don't even have...
@noreaga12326 ... a colour temperature of about 2700K: Lower than about 50W (although a cfl with about the brightness of a 50W incandescent and 2500K still makes sense) or higher than about 125W (a cfl with 3000K is better at replacing that).
@noreaga12326 Oh, and as for the winter: For most people it's probably more expensive heating with electricity rather than with gas, wood pellets or district heating or whatever and as far as I know, most often causing more carbon emissions, because we burn so much coal to produce energy.
@VonDenHottentotten it may not get AS COLD in the city as it does say in the dessert or in the burbs but im from NYC and it still gets pretty dam cold in the winter. So again, any extra heat is always welcomed. i dont have a problem with these "awfully inefficient incandescents" like u do. all i care about is having nice light quality in my house. The problem here is that envioronmental wacos want the whole world living in fear thinking that inefficient items will kill us.
@noreaga12326 Dude, I think I made it very clear that when I talked about how cities "trap" heat, I meant that that's a problem in the summer. How can you not get this and suddenly talk about winter again? Of course a city will get cold in the winter, because there's no heat or hardly any warmth to trap!
And no, extra heat from electricity is not welcome in the winter either, since it comes from a usually more expensive source (that is also, usually, worse to the environment).
@VonDenHottentotten LEDs might be a good option once prices go down and once their lighting quality improves. We will see what happens with LEDs. However, i've heard a few complaints about LEDs not lasting as long as promised just like the CFL bulb. LEDs seem to be only suitable for traffic lights and bike lights. Not home lighting. So far, the only "efficient" bulb that seems to be the best are halogens.
@noreaga12326 The light quality of good LEDs is already okay, like that of good cfls, so that isn't a problem anymore. The good ones should also be pretty reliable and last at least almost as long as promised. If you want a conservative estimate on how long a branded led or cfl really lasts, just substract about 2000h.
As with any electronic device, however, there is inevitably a chance of early failure so do keep the receipt.
@noreaga12326 The light quality of good LEDs is already okay, like that of good cfls, so that isn't a problem anymore. The good ones should also be pretty reliable and last at least almost as long as promised. If you want a conservative estimate on how long a branded led or cfl really lasts, just substract about 2000h.
As with any electronic device, however, there is inevitably a chance of early failure so do keep the receipt.
@VonDenHottentotten "And it's jerks like you who skrew up this place for future generations and probably even this one when I'm old!
" its mentally challanged people such as YOU that are up in everyone elses pants. The United States used to be very free until you tree huggers and hippies started whining about everything little thing. mayb u'l be happy if we didnt use buses or trains any more cuz they "pollute the air". or use my spray deodorant cuz it "pollutes the air" stop whinning libtard
@VonDenHottentotten mayb YOUR products havent done a great job "efficiency" but mine has. think its safe to say that MOST ppl who have used these "inefficient" products werent complaining about efficiency. Just as long as the products performed like they were suppose to, then who cares if its efficient or not.Again, why does it matter to u if others are using inefficient bulbs or other things? I bet you're one of those psycho tree huggers always writing to congress and whinning about everything
@VonDenHottentotten lol.. how incredible it is that u complain about me calling u names and all that comes out of ur post is "jerk" this and "jerk" that. Again, most ppl arent that brain damaged to believe that humans are causing climate change. Now, im not saying that the earth isnt warming up. maybe it is. As i told u for the 100th time, the earh goes through phases where it warms up for a few years and it cools down. (ARE U FOLLOWING ME?)....
@noreaga12326 You're the one who started the namecalling, so don't complain about it, imbecile. ;)
If you want to call all those scientists working in the field of climate science brain damaged and who agree that there is man made global warming (which has been the majority of climate scientists for many years), you're actually the one who is far more likely to be brain damaged or just plain paranoid.
@noreaga12326 It's certainly clear that you are either unable or unwilling to understand or admit, that it _does not logically follow_ from past climate changes that the one we have _now_ also wouldn't be caused by humans. Hint: It means your... "argument" about past climate changes is still total bull. ;)
@VonDenHottentotten We all have our beliefs. The fact that you say that "humans are resonsible for the earth warming up" is YOUR belief. My belief is, you're nuts for thinking that we are responsible for warming up the earth. ur said "if people can save quite a bit of energy without a significant loss in quality of life, they certainly should go for the more energy efficient technology." what i use for my home isnt effecting u in anyway, so get off the bull shit. (CONTINUED)
@VonDenHottentotten if i wana use incandescent bulbs for the rest of my life (WHICH I INTEND ON DOING) thats MY business. Not yours nor your mentally challenged green friends. The last time i checked my light bill, MY name is on it. Not the government. therefore, nobody is telling me how much energy i can use in my home. If the world lived with your beliefs, we'd have to report to government in when to shower, when to eat, or f*ck. I cant wait to see what u have to say next
@noreaga12326 No, we should never have to report to the government when we shower, eat, make love, etc. because that would actually be a significant loss of people's quality of life! A government that could even pull such a thing through would would deserve to be undone and be replaced by a new one that is of the people, by the people and for the people.
@VonDenHottentotten as far as the CFLs, me saying that they're shitty, TO ME its no exageration. I've used plenty of them and they're not even close to having the nice light quality that incandescents have. I'm sure that MANY ppl would agree with me on this. U mentioned a few details about cfls which sounds like you're telling me that they're improving. well, if they have improved, that should be up to me (the consumer) to decide that. Not the government.
@noreaga12326 Sorry man, not buying that you ever made an _honest_ comparison between, for example, the typical frosted 60W incandescent and a good 13 to 15W cfl with a colour temperature of 2700K°. There just isn't much of a difference.
Well, I guess some people are like the princess in the story "The princess and the pea". (Look that up if you don't know it. ;) )
@VonDenHottentotten i respect your believes in "climate change" but i just dont believe it myself. for the past few years, the south has had record cold temperatures. Especially in South Florida. 2 years ago it snowed in New Orleans. Just a couple of months ago, here in New York, we had snow in october. Which NEVER happens. im not saying that it isnt possible. maybe it is changing but i dont believe humans have any impact on the climate.
@VonDenHottentotten im glad that you agree with me as far as the cfl not working in all fixtures. Thats just 1 example of the idiots of congress not thinking b4 making decisions. im not sure about the mercury in these things. They probably don't have too much, however, even these idiot leaf eaters warn the public to properly recycle them. Now, how many ppl do u think are actually gona drive a light bulb around in their car to reycle them? So all that "little mercury" will add up.not too promsing
@cr4yv3n why is martin stupid?? hes absolutely right. If these cfls were that great, these moron greenies wouldnt be forcing us to use them. Maybe you dont mind government deciding for u how u should live ur life but most ppl would rather decide that for themsevles. you're the moron who believes in everything government tells u
@noreaga12326 it's not the *raises his hands in the air and does quotation marks with his fingers ) *government*. It's not a "conspiracy". It's not the...NWO. It's nothing strange or weird. It's just TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT. It makes bloody perfect sense to use more EFFICIENT energy bulbs for your household as the energy is less and less available in the world.
Just as cars will change from gasoline to alternative tech if we develop it. Get over it, it's not the 19th century anymore!
@cr4yv3n Just because technology has advanced doesnt mean its good technology. you're entitled to think what u want. thats like saying that i should get rid of my flip phone because i-phones are now available. Well believe it or not, there are ppl who still prefer old skool technology and as far as im concerned, it should be up to me (the consumer) if i wana buy them. since im paying for my rent and energy bills, i'l decide what bulbs i want and how much energy i wana use.
@cr4yv3n Besides the fact that i dont like government telling me what to do, i dont like how energy efficient bulbs look. their light quality is ugly and i refuse to turn my home looking like the inside of a hospital ER home just because u moron greenies and hippies think "it will save the planet" or even more hilarious "it will stop global warming". I dont care how efficient cfls are. if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them. end of story.
@noreaga12326 If you were to live alone in your pig hole i wouldn't mind, sadly we ALL share this planet so your asshole actions affects everyone. We all "don't like this" or "don't like that" but a part of the growing up process is to learn to do ALSO what you don't like, not always what you like.
Also there is a difference from not using a technology and actively campaigning it is "evil".
You're entitled to your opinnion, as we are entitled to consider you an imbecile. for it.
@cr4yv3n I'm not sure what country ur from but here in the US, our troops are fighting hard for our freedom. Our freedom is slowly being chipped away by you paranoid environmentlists and lib-tards who wana control the way ppl live. U seriously wana talk about the environment? cfls contain MERCURY. and please dont tell me how LITTLE mercury there is because you and I both know that most ppl will not properly dispose cfls. So that "little mercury" will turn into 1 huge mess.
@cr4yv3n Most Americans are smart enough to know that we can make our own decisions in how we live our lives. amazing how you believe everything government tells u. If u wana live ur life with goverment telling u what bulbs to use, when to eat, when to make love or when to take a sh*t, knock urself out. But most of us here are capable of making our own choices. If u hate the US so much, then dont come here. The last thing we need here is paranoid hippies trying to tell ppl what we can use
@noreaga12326 The problem also is that the left is trying to Europeanize America, making us a bunch of sheeple to the government. Fortunately, the majority of Americans will not put up with that crap! The liberal media tries to make it sound like we need to be Europeanized, but not gonna happen! The hell with that Euro trash!
@newalm amen to that.Most Americans are smart enough to realize that government isnt the solution, its the problem. the idiots in congress are wayyyy too much in ppl's shorts. i remember when cfls 1st came out and tv commercials were encouraging us to use them and save energy. Now they wana force them on us cuz they know most ppl dont like them. its incredible how these moron greenies will turn their homes looking like the inside of a cave cuz theyre stupid enough to believe its saving the earth
@noreaga12326 I remember those commercials too! One that really annoyed me was Home Depot, when the father was picking a incandascent light bulb and her little daughter pulls at his shirt and hands him a CFL with a blank "I know what is best" look on her face. Brainwashed by her teachers no doubt.
@newalm this woman is a complete nut job. these greenies are always claiming that cfls will save the planet but refuse to ignore the fact that they have mercury in them. They're answer is always "theres only a litle mercury". All that "little" mercury adds up since most ppl arent going to recycle them properly. i say, fuck CFLs. this is the land of the free which means that we should be free to buy any light bulbs we want.
@cr4yv3n Most Americans are smart enough to know that we can make our own decisions in how we live our lives. amazing how you believe everything government tells u. If u wana live ur life with goverment telling u what bulbs to use, when to eat, when to make love or when to take a crap, knock urself out. But most of us here are capable of making our own choices. If u hate the US so much, then dont come here. The last thing we need here is paranoid hippies trying to tell ppl what we can use
@cr4yv3n it upsets u because America is more free than in your country. you're a hurt little soul because ppl like me refuse to believe ur dumb green beliefs. why dont u go hug on some elses tree now... u little tree hugger :D
@cr4yv3n it upsets u because America is more free than in your country. you're a hurt little soul because ppl like me refuse to believe ur crazy green beliefs. why dont u go hug on some elses tree now... u little tree hugger :D
I refuse to compromise my home security by NOT having it well lit at night. To me, the whole thing seems a bit like "...gulping down the camel while straining out the gnat." I do recycle my plastics...because it makes me feel better. I hate the thought of throwing out perfectly good containers by the dozens (dish soap, laundry detergent, soda, shampoo bottles, etc); however, we have no proof that they are going to a better use; only the hope that they do. // The Gentleman made perfect sense 2 me
onlinedesign 2 weeks ago
I've already had two flourescent bulbs burn out in the last few years after using them for less than a year. So far they're not more efficient than regular bulbs and the light they put off sucks.
LisaBaby67 3 weeks ago
@LisaBaby67 This whole "green" thing is a scam. They're trying to get our money. They want us to buy expensive bulbs that dont last any longer than incandescents, and that look like crap. The guy in this video has his head on right. This woman is a complete nut job and needs to get her head examined.
noreaga12326 3 weeks ago
What Lobbyist paid the politicians in Washington D.C. to get rid of the Thomas Edison light bulb.Mercury fluorescent bulb.
DowJones16WB 3 weeks ago
light ur tits up that'll be interesting.
ILLZUKUNT 3 weeks ago
its got nothing to do with "saving energy" and more to do with fucking up your health
xOwneDTBHx 4 weeks ago
Who really cares how "efficient" bulbs are? And, seriously, what is wrong with using your light bulbs as part of your heating system? Was there ANY consideration about where the heat from the bulb went to? Just look at the efficiency of an electric heater, using something like 1500 watts and putting out zip for light. Are they now going to outlaw electric heaters?
lochinvar00465 1 month ago
@lochinvar00465 Light bulbs don't have a thermostat. It wouldn't make sense to integrate one, because then you'd sit in the dark whenever it's comfortably warm but already rather dark outside. So they can't possibly be efficient except for environments where it is always colder than would be comfortable. In such an environment, I would, however, want my heater to be very close to ground level to minimize heat just going up, into the cold, without being of any use to me.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@lochinvar00465 Even then, it's usually more expensive and worse for the environment to heat with electricity, because we burn so much coal.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i could be wrong but i believe that if incandescents were really that bad for the environment, they wouldnt have exemptions from this so called "ban". Even though there is a ban or i should say, "an efficiency standard" there are multiple incandescents that are not included in the ban. (flood light versions, 3-way bulbs, decorative bulbs such as the candlabra and globe bulbs and anything under 40watts and higher than 100watts) Another reason why i also think the ban is crazy
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Why wouldn't there be any expemptions from the ban, if the bulbs that are exempt aren't used for "heavy duty" residential lighting anyways, like the 60W to 125W ones are? In fact, the very very least I expect from the government is to not ban 40W incandescents until there were cfls with a colour temperature of 2100K to 2300K that would still have a colour rendering index of at least 80. So far there aren't any cfls like that, that I'm aware of, and there may never be.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i guess its good that they have more choices in bulbs so that everyone can buy what they want. But yes, goverment restricting consumer choice is crazy. I hear that places like Europe and Austalia totally banned them. However, unless its illegal, ppl could probably still order incandescents online through e-bay or another website. Yes, ur right, a 40 watt bulb shouldnt be banned but i think UNFORTUNATLY its included in the ban. Unless they can make halogens to match it
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 In Europe all incandescents including halogens will be banned by 2016 if I recall correctly. It's madness.
The light industry pulled off quite a trick by supporting a ban, because they don't want to make incandescents anymore and don't want any new kids on the scene basically, that would satisfy the ongoing demand for incandescents. And then governments "fell" for their trick, one after another. ;(
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 I think you can only buy from stocks that still exists somewhere, but I don't think you can import new incandescents from India or China or whatever.
A 30-something watt halogen would replace a 40W incandescent, but it would have a higher colour temperature, so halogens aren't perfect either, when it comes to light quality.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i have to agree with u on the halogen bulbs. They ALMOST match the incandescents we're used to seeing today, but theres a tiny bit of a difference in color. my mother has 2 halogen bulbs in her lamps in the living room and not just from the color of light but i could also tell from the shape. The shape is once again ALMOST like the ones we're used to seeing today except it has a bit of a funnier shape. Kind of like a pair.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i think i mentioned b4 that the other problem that i've seen with CFL bulbs is the false advertisement. Many of them dont last any longer than a standard bulb. My girlfriend lives in a building where its all cfls and every other week, the maintance guy has to replace a bulb. Thats bad for the consumer because they're expensive to buy. I could be wrong but i think i heard somewhere that Texas and South Carolina managed to repeal the bulb. lets see how they do here in New York
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 I agree that there's lots of false advertising: An 11W cfl just doesn't replace a 60W incandescent as is often claimed, and a cfl without a pre-heating mechanism (all the cheap ones basically) just won't last nearly as long as advertised. Cheap cfls are like cheap computer power supply units: If they don't explode right in your face, you're lucky.
Never buy any cheap electronic stuff is what I always tell people.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Then again 40W incandescents are kinda in between decorative and heavy duty lighting, so that's the highest wattage the government shouldn't even have to ban if there's just no adequate replacement.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten u seem to know the colors from ur cfl bulbs. I have seen them trying to make cfls the same light color as incandescents but you appear to be right about not having that more reddish spectrum. And as i said b4, the issue isnt only the appearence of the bulbs but the fact that they dont fit in all light fixtures. Most light fixtures we have in our homes today is mainly made for incandescent bulb use only.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Yeah, a little more red would certainly be a nice-to-have. Even if that could never be done though, it's not like we still only had old halophosphors with zero or hardly any red.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Cfls come in so many different shapes and sizes today, they may not fit into all fixtures but certainly the lion's share.
I myself got this torchiere (or whatever it's called), that I got a cfl for and it's sticking out a bit, makes the whole thing look kinda like a mystics's staff, so I actually think it's cool. But I can understand if someone wouldn't like that.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@lochinvar00465 thank you. Maybe u can teach "VonDenHottentotten" a thing or two
noreaga12326 1 month ago
Just check out a real light bulb(incandescent) against a CFL using a spectrometer. The difference is stunning.
lochinvar00465 1 month ago
@lochinvar00465 Just goes to show how bad our eyes+brain combination really is, if it only takes a cfl with a triphosphor for it's light to be actually good, not perfect of course, but perfectly okay for residential use.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
I'm glad to see people like that British dude. It proves to me that America isn't the only place where people are willfully, purposefully ignorant.
Still haven't quite figured out why though...
dlewis1498 2 months ago
Seriously, they talk about environment, but how much damage does the toxic build up of mercury do to the environment? How many species are we going to kill off with all that mercury, let alone ruin our health and our children's? Who hasn't broken a light bulb in their life? So when the inevitable happens we will be forced to breath toxic fumes in our homes so serious that it is recommended by experts that we must replace all carpets (too dangerous to vaccum), it's the new asbestos.
jtking2504 2 months ago
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ctoon6 2 months ago
@ctoon6, 300,000? Most homes have up to 10 of these things or more and there isn't a choice, which means just about every home will be using them. That would run into the millions.
Most people are not aware enough to air the room, nor are they made aware of the dangers of these things. Something that can be so easily broken & contains mercury is not safe. Scientists suggest if it breaks onto carpet it should be replaced, they can continue to produce toxic fumes for months after the break.
jtking2504 2 months ago
@ctoon6 From what many ppl told me and my experience, most CFLs dont last any longer than an incandescent bulb. Sure maybe a cfl saves a bit of energy and thats because they're about as bright as a candle. the consumer outa be the ones to decide on how much energy they can save or how much they wana spend. i've used cfls many years ago and let me tell u, their light quality and performance is CRAP. So i dont care how "efficient" they are. I refuse to turn my house looking like a shopping mall
noreaga12326 2 months ago
@noreaga12326 its obvious i will never be able to convince anyone otherwise, please continue to use any kind of light bulb you wish.
ctoon6 2 months ago
@ctoon6 i certainly will use any bulb that i wish. I assume that you're also paying for your own electric bills.. correct? If thats the case, why would u be comfortable with this idiot woman and government telling u what to use in YOUR own home?
noreaga12326 2 months ago
@noreaga12326 i never said that i agreed with the government telling people what light bulbs they can and can not buy. and if i paid for my own electricity, then wouldn't it be beneficial for me to use CFLs, as they do in fact use less electricity.
ctoon6 2 months ago
@ctoon6 you're right about cfls using less electricity.the down side is that their light performance (TO ME) is no good and they take forever to come to their full brightness. i guess you've been one of the lucky ones who hasnt had one burn out in a long time because the ones i've used didnt even last me a year and many people have told me the same thing about them. So yes, perhaps ur saving on ur electric bill but spending alot on buying them. Especially since many of them dont last as promised
noreaga12326 2 months ago
These things are dangerous. I gave little thought to them until about a year ago, that's when my terrible health problems started. I have always been very health conscious, never had a sick day. Yet I have suffered a dramatic and debilitating mystery illness and after tireless researching, all of my symptoms are those of mercury toxicity - a year ago I broke one of these toxic time bombs & had no idea about the mercury. That's about the time my 'mystery' symptoms started.
jtking2504 2 months ago
@jtking2504 Sorry to say, but it's very unlikely that your health was affected noticably by just one broken cfl, even if you didn't ventilate the room and clean up properly afterwards.
That is if you didn't eat the cfl or weren't just a few years old or younger when it happened, which I guess isn't the case. So your symptoms are far more likely to come from something else or be psychosomatic.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten The fact that you say that humans are responsible for climate change is absolutely incredible. If you really believe that cfl light bulbs will reverse climate change, then you seriously need to check yourself into a mental institute and get your brain examined. The climate has, and always will change. In fact, i've noticed that here in the NorthEast, we have had much colder than normal temperatures these few years.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 As I said, climate change is a well established scientific fact, whether you like it or not. If you got data to show otherwise, feel free to win a new scientific consensus, which you will, if your data is actually good.
Who cares what climate change you have noticed in your area. Anecdotal evidence is known to be the worst form of evidence. Also, this is about global climate change, not local climate change.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 And no, I do not believe energy efficient lighting alone can limit or stop, let alone reverse climate change. In fact, I have my doubts whether it can be reversed or stopped, but that's just me.
I am, however, convinced that energy efficiency in general can help in gradually reducing carbon emissions over the next few decades and therefore help to limit climate change.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten As far as the cfls bulb itself, the lifetime of MANY of those bulbs dont last any long than an incandescent, their light quality is absolutely shitty, they dont fit in all the fixtures of most homes and it has mercury. Im not paying thousands of dollars to change my fixtures just because a bunch of moron tree huggers CLAIM that it will save the planet. The person that owns the house and pays the light bill, outa be the ones to decide what bulbs they can use. go get some help
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Cheap cfls (the 6000h ones) don't have a pre-heating mechanism, so they can die pretty quickly if switched on and off very frequently. But the ones that do have a pre-heating mechanism (the 8000h or better ones) are pretty reliable, because their filaments don't usually die early.
It's also an utter exaggeration to say that their light quality is "shitty". That may again be true for the cheap ones and there are branded cfls out there that don't make sense...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 For example: 11 Watts or lower and a colour temperature of 2700K° or higher doesn't make sense. 11 Watts should have 2500K°, lower than 11W shouldn't even be around, until they invent cfls with 2300K° or lower.
Higher than 11 Watts and 2500K° doesn't make sense either.
Dimmable cfls can only suck, because their colour temperature doesn't change along with their brigthness.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 But since the invention of triphosphors (which also improved lumen maintenance), the colour rendering of a _good_(!!) cfl will be okay for thousands of hours. It's only after thousands of hours that a good one will start to degenerate significantly and give off a pinkish light.
And yes, I do realize that cfls don't fit into all fixtures, but guess what...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten I believe that we should have sensible laws from government (Not driving on the wrong side of the street, not taking red lights, etc etc) But telling ppl what bulbs they can buy for their own house is going way too far. All these greenies and lib-tards are way too much in everyone else's pants. we have used "inefficient" technology for over 100 years and they've worked pretty well. So i say, Screw the government and these moron greenies. Its my house and i'l use what i want
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 That's a reason why I am opposed to a ban of any incandescent lamp myself. Instead, there should be some sort of tax on their inefficiency. That way people could still use a few incandescents where you really can't get a good replacement, and mostly use cfl or led-lamps, because, hands down, in most fixtures made for the typical 60 Watt-or-more-incandescent, you certainly can replace them pretty well.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten boy, u sure have a lot to say dont u? As far as climate change, maybe the climate is changing, but humans have ZERO effect. As i said, as long as there's a planet earth, the weather will always go through phases where it warms up and cools down. Its always been that way even b4 humans were around. U outa look at the fact that its possible that scientists are getting paid to bull shit to public about "climate change". Please dont let Al gore brain wash u any further
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Of course I have a lot to say, because there's lots and lots of myths out there.
Sorry to say, but it's already been scientifically established that humans are indeed responsible for the current climate change. Just because the climate changed in the past doesn't mean we couldn't have been responsible for a change for the last few decades. Even in the 70s scientists suspected that we have been changing the climate pretty much since the beginning of industrialisation.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 It is a myth that scientists in the 70s thought there may be another ice age just a few decades or centuries ahead! Back then the consensus was indeed that there may be man made global warming but there was a need for more data and better climate modeling. We have that now. Man made global warming is a fact, whether you or I believe in it or not.
And as for scientists being paid to lie: Don't be ridiculous! It's Big Oil and Big Energy that got more money than...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 ... all the "greens" together. And it is Big Oil and Big Energy that would be most interested in there being no consensus on climate change. Still we do have that consensus.
Anyways, if you do lie as a scientist, expect other scientists working in that field to rip you apart, in public! If you can prove another scientist is lying, that's a major boost of your career right there! ;) This is why science works.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Oh, and about Al Gore. He's not a scientist. I don't give a damn about what he says.
I do give a damn about a strong scientific consensus and so should everyone.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten Talking about the light bulbs, i cant believe that you cant tell the difference. im aware that cfls come in different colors but none of them look attractive to me. to me, they're harsh and ugly. The only good thing here is that the ban doesnt include all incandescents. 3 way bulbs, flood versions, candle shaped bulbs, rough service and colored bulbs and decorative bulbs are not included in the ban, thankfully.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Do not put words into my mouth!
I did not say that I couldn't see a difference or that there was no difference! Just that there isn't much of a difference, especially in the example I mentioned.
You know, it's interesting that you often hear people say how amazing the colours of HD film material is on a modern HD televison. But then, I guess, many of those same people claim that cfls give off a "harsh and ugly light". Well...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 ... TVs and cfls _basically_ produce white (be it soft, neutral, cool or daylight white) the same way: By giving off some redish, greenish and blueish light.
Sorry to disappoint, but human eyes and the brain's vision processing just aren't all that great. ;) So it only takes some red, green and blue to make a white that may not be perfect, but will be okay.
So get over it.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten 1st off, nobody is putting words into ur mouth, so calm your nerves. by saying "there isnt much difference in the light these bulbs produce" is almost the same thing. by comparing tv's to light bulbs proves how tiny your brain is. it amazes me how u greenies like to make extreme comparisons to make ur arguments look better. Just because the technology is "new" doesnt make it good. the tv's computers and cell phones have come along way. (continued)
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Don't be a total idiot! You did put words into my mouth! Everyone can read your comment and mine and see that you did! ;)
By disputing that TVs and cfls with a triphosphor do basically produce a white the same way you proved that you're totally misinformed about cfls with a triphosphor. Get an education!
Yeah, TVs have come a long way and so have phosphors!
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten what you're referring to has nothing to do with light bulbs or whats efficient and inefficient. Stick with the subject. "inefficient" lighting, dishwashers and washing machines have been around for a long time and have done a great job. So who gives a rats ass if its "efficient" or not. Besides the new bulbs, I've heard MANY complains about these so called "efficient" products. Theres no point in having something thats efficient if the performance is crap. go seek help now
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 You're telling me to stick to the subject and YOU suddenly come up with the topic of efficiency again, rather than light quality, which is what was the last thing we talked about? Wow, you're not just being a total idiot, you're also being a jerk!
Yeah, ineffiecent devices have done a great job at working AT ALL! They have not done a great job at working efficiently, obviously!
I do not care about what you've heard. That's anecdotal evidence all over again! Worthless!
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten looks like im starting to really get to u huh? I got u going crazy and name calling on a utube video. The fact that u compare a cfl bulb to the light of the new tv's that are out now, proves to everyone here how tiny your brain is. Why would i wana use a light bulb thats the same color as my tv? Further more, why do u care if other people are using "inefficient" or "efficient" products? This is whats wrongs with this world. ppl like U always meddling into other ppls business
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Don't worry, you're not getting to me. That takes a lot more than just another jerk on the internet like you. ;) I'm not so sure about whether I may be getting to you, however.
It's also you who started the namecalling: That bullshit about brain size. One certainly has to wonder about the capabilities of your brain, can't be that good, really.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 So why would you want to use a light bulb that basically produces light the way a TV does? Because it gives off 4 to 5 times more lumen per watt than an an incandescent and many times the latters life expectancy, while the cfl quality is not significantly worse.
And if people can save quite a bit of energy without a significant loss in quality of life, they certainly should go for the more energy efficient technology.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 This wouldn't be so if the earth's atmosphere could easily take many times as much carbon emissions as it currently does, without it starting to get significantly warmer. But unfortunately, it just isn't so and that's a fact!
And it's jerks like you who skrew up this place for future generations and probably even this one when I'm old!
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten Here in the good old USA, is the land of the free. Not the land of the government. I dont care how "efficient" light bulbs are. To me, there light quality is ugly. I"m not using ugly bulbs in my home or making my house look like the inside of a hospital waiting room because u greenies CLAIM it will help save the planet or "reverse climate change." Heres a solution, worry about how much energy YOU'RE using and quit worrying about the next person.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Even in the US you have plenty of regulations. No country could thrive without that and not fall into utter anarchy. And since it's basically society regulating itself in a democracy or republic, there's nothing to be said against regulating per se (if you even know that term), because one can always openly criticise a regulation and try to win over the majority to change or undo it. So if you want the ban to be undone, I actually agree with that, as stated earlier.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 But if you want there to be no action of any sort (like a tax on their inefficiency) against incandescents at all, no one should agree with that, becuase it's bull.
We need energy efficiency whether you like it or not. So governments actually owe it to their people to regulate in some way for energy efficiency/against energy ineffiency. No one's living in a bubble where he can't possibly affect other people's lives significantly.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten once again, these so called "scientists" who say that global warming is caused by humans are most likely getting paid to tell the public that. In about 30 yrs from now, when u see no significant change in weather, u'l feel stupid. i think i told u in earlier posts that the North East got October snow which RARELY happens. that hasnt happened in 50 years. last year and the year b4 that, south florida had record cold temperatures and it snowed in New orleans. (continued)
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 I already told you why it's awfully ridiculous to think we only have this consensus, because a bunch of people have been paid: The greens aren't even the ones with the really really big money to begin with.
Also, in science you are expected by all others to be open with your data anyway, so other scientists will _love_ to rip you apart in public, if they can find even the slightest error. Science works.
I am still not impressed in any way by your anecdotes.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten No matter what u say and believe, you have been brain washed into believing in "man-made climate change* I hope u dont say that out loud cuz ppl will look at u like ur mentally insane. As far as the light bulbs, im glad that u dont think that government shouldnt tell u when to make love, eat etc etc. But telling ppl what bulbs they can buy is almost the same as government coming into my house telling me what lights to use and not to use.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten my using incandescent bulbs are not affecting u in anyway. In fact, this so called "ban" is a complete waste of time. Look at all the people that have stocked up on traditional bulbs. Those bulbs will wind up in ppls homes and they will still use it anyway. So this "ban" will not do any good. And statistics show that millions of ppl all over the world has stocked up. Even a few states here already repealed this silly ban.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Yeah, there should never have been a ban and then people would never have stocked up on these incandescents.
If there were an inefficency-tax on them instead, people would actually avoid buying and using them wherever possible, but they wouldn't panic. Incandescents would be reduced to a niche lighting solution, which is exactly where they really belong.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten you're right, there shouldnt have been a ban. This is just 1 example of the idiots in congress making decisions without thinking. i've heard of ppl who have had "energy efficient" washing machines and dryers and from what i heard, they didnt do such a great job and washing or drying the clothes. again thats what i heard. i havent used them so i dont know.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten As far as the cfl bulb itself, RIP OFF! Most of them dont last as long as you're told. Even the ones that do last, they get dimmer after a while. So after a while, ur paying all that money to buy a bulb that doesnt work and have lousy performance. I have incandescents that have not burned out in years. so all this talk about "CFLS LASTING LONGER THAN INCANDC." is bull shit. i say.. fuck going green. I'm not as paranoid as u are about this "green" shit. keep the posts coming
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 We've already talked about this. CFLs that suck are cheap through and through, they don't have a pre-heating mechanism, probably have bad, largely untested phosphor quality and cheap and often unwisely chosen components for their electric balast. So don't buy them unless you want to be disappointed.
But do add a pre-heating mechanism that's even half-way good, do control the design and manufacturing processes a bit better and you got a reliable technology.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 And there are even top-notch cfls that have a mean time between failures of about 20000h and are good for several hundred thousand switching cycles, because they have a little microcontroller chip that is controlling the pre-heating process. One of those will probably still have about 80%, if not more, of its initial brightness after those 20000h.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 You can't even get close to that reliability with an incandescent (yes, I do know about the Centennial Light bulb, but that one started off as a 60W incandescent and now it's down to 4W, talk about getting dimmer. ;) )
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten you said "So governments actually owe it to their people to regulate in some way for energy efficiency/against energy ineffiency." WRONGGG.. government is way too much in everyone elses jock. Again, the government isnt paying my light bill.. I AM. therefore, i will decide how i want my house lit. u wana talk about energy consumption? If ur so concerned about that, u should write to congress and ask them why the lights in the white house is on 24/7. Thats wasting energy there
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Since there is man made global warming that can be limited by reducing carbon emissions, the goverment is more than justified in taking action for more energy efficiency, which is about getting at least almost as much quality for less watt. If there's no significant loss of quality of life you are certainly entitled to complain all you want, but people shouldn't take you seriously. I certainly don't.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten you are taking me serious because you keep trying to convince me that "man made climate change" is possible. Im not taking u seriously either. In fact, im laughing at u. Thinking that we are causing climate change lol So YOU and your other mentally challenged liberal friends are doing all the complaining. complaining about any and little thing. Again, This world was a fine place until you liberals started whining like little girls complaining about everything and anything.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 No, I'm not taking you seriously but I do think it's worth to ocassionally debunk myths out on the web where everyone can read them. Someone's got to raise his voice against bull. And the comment section of this video is full of it.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten if u agree that incandescents are ok over the cfl, then whats this debate about? Other than the fact that u believe in man made climate change and i dont
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 If it weren't for man made global warming, I would probably use some incandescents here and there, but it would still make sense to do most lighting with cfls and/or leds to save some money. Also, I want my lighting to heat up the room as little as possible in the summer, when it's still hot in the evening but already pretty dark outside, what about you? More power usage _always_ means more heat output. Ever thought of that advantage over energy inefficiency? ;)
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Idealy, one would want _all_ heating to be done by devices actually made for that, because they have a thermostat so they switch off when the room reaches a certain temperature or don't even switch on if it doesn't go below that temperature.
But you wouldn't build in a thermostat into a light bulb, would you?
Another cool advantage leds have over both incandescents and cfls: They're more resistive to shock.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten u brought up a good point about incandescents heating up ur house in the summer when theres no need for it. Keeping the light off during the day and letting natural day light come in your home would be a great option. However, during the winter, heat from incandescents are welcomed. so it wouldnt be "wasted" heat during the winter months when heat is needed the most. I can afford to have incandescents so its not a big deal for me.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 I already had a feeling you wouldn't get what I said about heat output in the summer, doh.
If you don't live in a desert or something, but in a city like most people, heat will often get "trapped" over night. In the desert it gets really cold over night, in the city it only really does if it's not really warm let alone hot during the day to begin with. And you didn't know that? So we got a problem here with these awfully inefficent incandescents, don't we?
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Already dark outside but still pretty hot? Have fun sweating more than you would need to, thanks to a few hundred watts rather than a few dozen watts just to light up the damn living room.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten im sorry to breatk this to u, but me and MOST ppl dont wana live like that. Incandescent bulbs have been around for over 100 years and these so called other "inefficient" products have also been around for decades and they've done a great job. so it doesnt matter to me if its inefficient or efficient. I'm the guy paying the bills, so let me worry about that. It will be ok :)
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Yeah, "it will be ok" is what people often say before things get ugly. :D
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten Thanks for the lesson but i do know a bit about weather and how heat is trapped in urban areas. For example, here in NYC during the summer months, the low temperature rarely gets below 70 degrees and in the burbs, the temperature drop down the about 60. once again, incandescents have been around for over 100 years and nobody has complained about it "polluting the environment" except for these mental case greenies.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Only that those "greenies" are the folks who actually realize how much coal is burned needlessly, just to have incandescents (and halogen bulbs too) put out tiny amounts of visible light per watt.
Generally, the public may not be as aware of their carbon footprint as much of course. But scientists are and the government should care about what science is able to tell them and then take action as needed (which it is).
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i gota say, you confuse me a bit. I THINK u said that u didnt agree with this so called "bulb ban" and now from what u saying, u think that we shouldnt use incandescents because of the atmosphere. Well as i told u b4, the same thing can be said about CFL bulbs. it contains MERCURY. Funny how these wacko environmentalists claim to be about a cleaner planet and still promote toxic bulbs.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 I already explained that I am opposed to a ban of incandescents (or halogens), but FOR an "inefficiency-tax" on them, and you're still confused? Wow, no wonder you come up with all this bull in this whole discussion.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Good point you bring up about mercury. Cfls contain only little amounts of it (and good ones just 1.4 to 3.5 milligrams), so if you know how to handle them if the break, there's virtually zero effect on your health. What should be changed is that there should always be advice on how to handle them if they break right in the package (currently it's often just an address of a website, but that's not enough).
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten government, a lot of the scientists and al whore are scammers only out for the big bucks. to think that a light bulb can contribute to the planet warming up makes u mentally insande. as i said b4, when the earth cools down again in a few years, then hopefully u'l wake up and smell the coffee but i doubt it
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 You know, I wonder how many people in the middle ages said "if you think the earth revolves around the sun, rather than the other way around, you're mentally insane". ;) It's not me who's likely to be wrong, it's you and very much so.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 As for the mercury getting into the atmosphere: Coal also usually contains some mercury too and we burn lots and lots of that. So even if a cfl isn't disposed off properly, on average you still actually save the atmosphere some mercury emissions.
But as I said earlier, there should be an incentive for people to dispose off them properly.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten Yes, maybe cfls have a little mercury in them. But how many ppl do u think are gona actually drive a light bulb in their cars just to dispose a cfl light bulb??? Especially with the cost of gas these days. use your head buddy! with incandescents, if it breaks, we dont have to worry about all that. CFLs have to be dispose of properly, they're expensive, they dont last as long as they tell u it does and their light quality looks like shit. I'm sticking with incandescents
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 If you got a broken cfl, put it in a box and take it with you the next time you go somewhere near where you can dispose off it. Ever thought of that? I guess not. You're the one who should use his head.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten by the way, since many ppl are not gona dispose cfls properly, all that "little mecury" adds up and then we'l have a huge mess to this planet. Again, if you're so concerned about "energy efficiency" u should write a letter to the president and ask him why he leaves his lights on 24/7. If u ask me, thats "wasting energy." These greenies are hyprocrats. They promote energy savings and energy consumption but dont practice what they preach. have fun with ur toxic energy bulbs
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 And by burning lots of coal needlessly, significantly more mercury is released right into the atmosphere, while if there's an incentive to dispose off cfls properly, the difference becomes even more significant in favor of using cfls.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 About this thing with the white house being lighted 24/7: Certainly, they shouldn't light up rooms when no ones in them, but since it's a monument, in my opinion it's okay to illuminate the outside of the building a bit. With energy efficient lighting, not excessively, not turned on too early in the evening, not turned off too late in the morning, but _per se_ it's fine to illuminate a monument.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten im gona try to keep this short. i think i said this b4 in a previous post. I think its safe to say that MOST people are not you. (living their lives being paranoid about every little thing we use). i believe that if incandescents were really that bad, they wouldnt of made it for as long as they did. see, when i come home from work or anywhere else, i like to have pleasent lighting. I'm not using ugly lights because greenies like u are scared of the planet collapsing
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Well, you bet cfl's market share today would be _way_ higher, had they been ready for residential use in the early 70s, when there where these major energy crises. In fact, that's when GE started research on how to make flourescent lamps compact and GE's brilliant engineer Edward E. Hammer came up with the idea of shaping the tube like a spiral, that way inventing the first cfl. His colleagues actually advised himto not even try developing that...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 ... because they thought that there would be so much reflection that it would be hardly more energy efficient than an incandescent. They were wrong. But there was a real problem back then: It was hard to make such a cfl and therefore too expensive to manufacture en masse. And high frequency, electric ballasts weren't ready either so it would have had to have a low frequency, conventional ballast that would buzz and the light would flicker visibly.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 It just took until the early to mid 2000s for the technology to be ready for prime time, and it was actually the ballast that was to blame. The phosphor has been at least okay-ish since the 80s (though it has certainly improved since then as well).
But since even today, there are still lots of cheap, bad cfls out there, it's just no wonder that there is such a low consumer acceptance, especially when there's all these myths and misregulation.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 So just give it some time and people will do most high wattage (over 11W) lighting with cfls and low wattage lighting with LEDs. Incandescents are a done deal, one way or another.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten thanks for the info. the only way that incandescents are a done deal is if they dramatically improve on these efficient bulbs which so far, MOST ppl dont think. The Halogen bulb is gona be around for at least another 8 years and i've heard that some of those bulbs are as much as 50% efficient and they're still trying to build some more efficiency into them. we'l see what happens. the reason why cfls are more efficient is cuz now, they're about as bright as a candle.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Most people probably never replaced even one frosted 60W incandescent (which is the most typical incandescent) with a good 13 to 15W cfl with a colour temperature of 2700K. So if they still think cfls aren't ready yet, they are simply wrong and uninformed/misinformed.
Improving incandescent's energy efficiency by 50% or even 100% is still a bad joke. It's better than nothing but not nearly as good as can be.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Really think cfls are "about as bright as a candle"? One could actually make you see how TOTALLY NONSENSICAL that statement is by placing a 60W cfl next to a 60W incandescent. THEN tell me which one is closer to the brightness of a candle. ;)
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten ok the statement that i made about a cfl "being as bright as a candle" means that they're not very bright. as i said, many cfls dont last any longer than incandescents and the ones that do last get dimme. making incandescents more efficient whether its 50% or 100% is a great idea. That way they'l be more choices for EVERYONE. here, in the USA, nobody has a right to tell u what bulbs u can use. if CFLs are improving, comsumers will buy them. thankfully i have stocked up.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Wrong again (and again and again). They are extremely bright: Say you got a luminaire that's designed for a 60W incandescent, but instead of replacing the 60W incandescent with a good 13 to 15W cfl to get about the same brightness (even over thousands of hours if it's a _good_ one!), you could also replace it with an 18W cfl and get about the brightness of a 75W incandescent.
Dude, do you finaly realize you got NO idea WHATSOEVER what you're talking about?
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten as i told u b4, im not gona live my life being paranoid about everything. if YOU wana limit yourself to products that u can use because you're concerned about the planet, go for it. But to force everyone else to live that life style is not the answer. CFLs are not even close to having the nice light quality that incandescents have. thats my opinion. the planet will not die cuz of me using incandescents so try not to lose sleep over it buddy
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 If there weren't a ban but a tax on ineffciency, people could still decide what they want to spend their money on. That way it would be fair and incandescents would still be reduced to a niche lighting solution.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten did u ever stop and think that not everyone likes CFLs or LEDS? no matter how much improvement they TRY to make on cfls, their light quality is ugly will never match the nice warm light incandescents have. I normally dont speak for anyone but myself but statistics show that MOST people prefer incandescents. U greenies need to start accepting that most ppl dont live like you (being paranoid) worry about your energy consumption and quit being a little busy body
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Blah blah blah.
As I said, most people probably haven't a clue about cfls, let alone good cfls.
(I mean everyone is unaware of something, especially when it comes to technology, so to a degree I can understand that.)
But if they did, their market share would certainly be way higher already.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten "blah blah blah = it upsets u that most ppl like ME dont like cfls. Get over it. I have seen MANY cfls in MANY colors and none of them look as nice as the good old incandescents. Stop worrying so much about what me and others have in our homes. Its none of your business if i wana use incandescents, cfls, leds or candles.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten U like cfls, and thats fine. We all have different taste. Im gona say this just once and once only. No matter how efficient or new the product is. If they dont perform the way the consumer likes, then its pointless. Again, im not using ugly lighting just because you leaf eaters are paranoid about the earth falling apart. Its a lose, lose situation for the greenies anyway cuz most ppl like me have stocked up BIG TIME on incandescents. Enough to last us a life time
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 The sensible thing the government should do to undo the damage done by deciding for a ban rather than an inefficiency tax, thereby causing people to panic and stock up like there was no tomorrow, would be to offer to buy back those stocked up incandescents and eventually go for undoing the ban and then implement the ineffieciency tax.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 But even if that's never going to happen (and I doubt it ever will), those stocks are limited. New generations are growing up and as they move into their first own appartement or whatever, they'll be more inclined to try out cfls and leds and then realize: Depending on what model you choose, they're light quality is not significantly worse, but they do save you quite a bit of money.
So the damage done by causing people to stock up is itself limited anyways.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten No matter how hard u try, you're not going to convince me to use cfls or leds. ppl like u are a bunch of commies, trying to turn America into a country like cuba. Thankfully, most americans are smart enough to stand up to such insane things. I dont take someone like u seriously, especially since you're nuts thinking that incandescents are helping to warm up the planet. You stick with ur gloomy, swirly toxic bulbs and i'l stick with my nice lighting.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten No matter how hard u try, you're not going to convince me to use cfls or leds. ppl like u are a bunch of commies, trying to turn America into a country like cuba. Thankfully, most americans are smart enough to stand up to such insane things. I dont take someone like u seriously, especially since you're nuts thinking that incandescents are helping to warm up the planet. You stick with ur gloomy, swirly toxic bulbs and i'l stick with my nice lighting.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 If I really was a "commie", I'd probably agree with the ban, which I don't. I believe in allowing people to choose, but if their choice is bad for the environment, it should come at a certain price.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten How is it that you dont agree with the ban and allowing people the right to choose but yet, u seem to be upset at the fact that most ppl dont like cfls? U know whats funny? I've heard some of these greenies say that there are cfls that have "warm lighting". I cracked up when reading that. it is impossible for a flourecent light to have "warm lighting". This is why i prefer incandescents. Now i like the old skool flourecents like the tubes and circular. But not CFLs
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 If there was no ban and no inefficiency tax either, people would often decide against cfls out of ignorance of how good they've really become. An inefficiency tax would make people more inclined to just give them a chance and an honest one at that, without pissing them off as much as the ban does, because without a ban, people could still get incandescents if they want to. An inefficiency tax would basically put things into perspective.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 As I said earlier, just replace a typical frosted 60W with a good 13W to 15W cfl and a colour temperature of 2700K and you will still get warm lighting. Sure, even good cfls could still use a little bit more red in their spectrum, that's still their weakest spot. It's just that their weakest spot isn't so weak anymore, that there's a significant difference between them and the incandescents they're supposed to replace, except for incandescents that don't even have...
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 ... a colour temperature of about 2700K: Lower than about 50W (although a cfl with about the brightness of a 50W incandescent and 2500K still makes sense) or higher than about 125W (a cfl with 3000K is better at replacing that).
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Oh, and as for the winter: For most people it's probably more expensive heating with electricity rather than with gas, wood pellets or district heating or whatever and as far as I know, most often causing more carbon emissions, because we burn so much coal to produce energy.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten it may not get AS COLD in the city as it does say in the dessert or in the burbs but im from NYC and it still gets pretty dam cold in the winter. So again, any extra heat is always welcomed. i dont have a problem with these "awfully inefficient incandescents" like u do. all i care about is having nice light quality in my house. The problem here is that envioronmental wacos want the whole world living in fear thinking that inefficient items will kill us.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Dude, I think I made it very clear that when I talked about how cities "trap" heat, I meant that that's a problem in the summer. How can you not get this and suddenly talk about winter again? Of course a city will get cold in the winter, because there's no heat or hardly any warmth to trap!
And no, extra heat from electricity is not welcome in the winter either, since it comes from a usually more expensive source (that is also, usually, worse to the environment).
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten LEDs might be a good option once prices go down and once their lighting quality improves. We will see what happens with LEDs. However, i've heard a few complaints about LEDs not lasting as long as promised just like the CFL bulb. LEDs seem to be only suitable for traffic lights and bike lights. Not home lighting. So far, the only "efficient" bulb that seems to be the best are halogens.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 The light quality of good LEDs is already okay, like that of good cfls, so that isn't a problem anymore. The good ones should also be pretty reliable and last at least almost as long as promised. If you want a conservative estimate on how long a branded led or cfl really lasts, just substract about 2000h.
As with any electronic device, however, there is inevitably a chance of early failure so do keep the receipt.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
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@noreaga12326 The light quality of good LEDs is already okay, like that of good cfls, so that isn't a problem anymore. The good ones should also be pretty reliable and last at least almost as long as promised. If you want a conservative estimate on how long a branded led or cfl really lasts, just substract about 2000h.
As with any electronic device, however, there is inevitably a chance of early failure so do keep the receipt.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 We need to reduce carbon emissions and energy efficient lighting is one thing to help with that.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
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@VonDenHottentotten "And it's jerks like you who skrew up this place for future generations and probably even this one when I'm old!
" its mentally challanged people such as YOU that are up in everyone elses pants. The United States used to be very free until you tree huggers and hippies started whining about everything little thing. mayb u'l be happy if we didnt use buses or trains any more cuz they "pollute the air". or use my spray deodorant cuz it "pollutes the air" stop whinning libtard
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten Please post more so i can watch u go crazy some more. I'm loving this :)
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten mayb YOUR products havent done a great job "efficiency" but mine has. think its safe to say that MOST ppl who have used these "inefficient" products werent complaining about efficiency. Just as long as the products performed like they were suppose to, then who cares if its efficient or not.Again, why does it matter to u if others are using inefficient bulbs or other things? I bet you're one of those psycho tree huggers always writing to congress and whinning about everything
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 You'll probably never get what energy efficiency is about and why it's important.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten lol.. how incredible it is that u complain about me calling u names and all that comes out of ur post is "jerk" this and "jerk" that. Again, most ppl arent that brain damaged to believe that humans are causing climate change. Now, im not saying that the earth isnt warming up. maybe it is. As i told u for the 100th time, the earh goes through phases where it warms up for a few years and it cools down. (ARE U FOLLOWING ME?)....
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 You're the one who started the namecalling, so don't complain about it, imbecile. ;)
If you want to call all those scientists working in the field of climate science brain damaged and who agree that there is man made global warming (which has been the majority of climate scientists for many years), you're actually the one who is far more likely to be brain damaged or just plain paranoid.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 It's certainly clear that you are either unable or unwilling to understand or admit, that it _does not logically follow_ from past climate changes that the one we have _now_ also wouldn't be caused by humans. Hint: It means your... "argument" about past climate changes is still total bull. ;)
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
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@VonDenHottentotten We all have our beliefs. The fact that you say that "humans are resonsible for the earth warming up" is YOUR belief. My belief is, you're nuts for thinking that we are responsible for warming up the earth. ur said "if people can save quite a bit of energy without a significant loss in quality of life, they certainly should go for the more energy efficient technology." what i use for my home isnt effecting u in anyway, so get off the bull shit. (CONTINUED)
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten if i wana use incandescent bulbs for the rest of my life (WHICH I INTEND ON DOING) thats MY business. Not yours nor your mentally challenged green friends. The last time i checked my light bill, MY name is on it. Not the government. therefore, nobody is telling me how much energy i can use in my home. If the world lived with your beliefs, we'd have to report to government in when to shower, when to eat, or f*ck. I cant wait to see what u have to say next
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 No, we should never have to report to the government when we shower, eat, make love, etc. because that would actually be a significant loss of people's quality of life! A government that could even pull such a thing through would would deserve to be undone and be replaced by a new one that is of the people, by the people and for the people.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten as far as the CFLs, me saying that they're shitty, TO ME its no exageration. I've used plenty of them and they're not even close to having the nice light quality that incandescents have. I'm sure that MANY ppl would agree with me on this. U mentioned a few details about cfls which sounds like you're telling me that they're improving. well, if they have improved, that should be up to me (the consumer) to decide that. Not the government.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Sorry man, not buying that you ever made an _honest_ comparison between, for example, the typical frosted 60W incandescent and a good 13 to 15W cfl with a colour temperature of 2700K°. There just isn't much of a difference.
Well, I guess some people are like the princess in the story "The princess and the pea". (Look that up if you don't know it. ;) )
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten i respect your believes in "climate change" but i just dont believe it myself. for the past few years, the south has had record cold temperatures. Especially in South Florida. 2 years ago it snowed in New Orleans. Just a couple of months ago, here in New York, we had snow in october. Which NEVER happens. im not saying that it isnt possible. maybe it is changing but i dont believe humans have any impact on the climate.
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@VonDenHottentotten im glad that you agree with me as far as the cfl not working in all fixtures. Thats just 1 example of the idiots of congress not thinking b4 making decisions. im not sure about the mercury in these things. They probably don't have too much, however, even these idiot leaf eaters warn the public to properly recycle them. Now, how many ppl do u think are actually gona drive a light bulb around in their car to reycle them? So all that "little mercury" will add up.not too promsing
noreaga12326 1 month ago
@noreaga12326 Yeah, there should definitely be some sort of incentive to dispose of them properly. ;( Then people would do that way more often.
VonDenHottentotten 1 month ago
They are dangerous pieces of crap, w/ their unfiltered UV radiation and mercury.
simple dangerous product.
UncoveringConscious 2 months ago
Martin, you're the symbol of stupidity :)
Thank you for proving it to us all.
cr4yv3n 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n why is martin stupid?? hes absolutely right. If these cfls were that great, these moron greenies wouldnt be forcing us to use them. Maybe you dont mind government deciding for u how u should live ur life but most ppl would rather decide that for themsevles. you're the moron who believes in everything government tells u
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 it's not the *raises his hands in the air and does quotation marks with his fingers ) *government*. It's not a "conspiracy". It's not the...NWO. It's nothing strange or weird. It's just TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT. It makes bloody perfect sense to use more EFFICIENT energy bulbs for your household as the energy is less and less available in the world.
Just as cars will change from gasoline to alternative tech if we develop it. Get over it, it's not the 19th century anymore!
cr4yv3n 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n Just because technology has advanced doesnt mean its good technology. you're entitled to think what u want. thats like saying that i should get rid of my flip phone because i-phones are now available. Well believe it or not, there are ppl who still prefer old skool technology and as far as im concerned, it should be up to me (the consumer) if i wana buy them. since im paying for my rent and energy bills, i'l decide what bulbs i want and how much energy i wana use.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n Besides the fact that i dont like government telling me what to do, i dont like how energy efficient bulbs look. their light quality is ugly and i refuse to turn my home looking like the inside of a hospital ER home just because u moron greenies and hippies think "it will save the planet" or even more hilarious "it will stop global warming". I dont care how efficient cfls are. if their light quality looks like shit, im not using them. end of story.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 If you were to live alone in your pig hole i wouldn't mind, sadly we ALL share this planet so your asshole actions affects everyone. We all "don't like this" or "don't like that" but a part of the growing up process is to learn to do ALSO what you don't like, not always what you like.
Also there is a difference from not using a technology and actively campaigning it is "evil".
You're entitled to your opinnion, as we are entitled to consider you an imbecile. for it.
cr4yv3n 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n I'm not sure what country ur from but here in the US, our troops are fighting hard for our freedom. Our freedom is slowly being chipped away by you paranoid environmentlists and lib-tards who wana control the way ppl live. U seriously wana talk about the environment? cfls contain MERCURY. and please dont tell me how LITTLE mercury there is because you and I both know that most ppl will not properly dispose cfls. So that "little mercury" will turn into 1 huge mess.
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326
*facepalm*
You are from USA!?
HAHAHA, why didn't you say in the first place ? Your soldiers are fighting for your "freedom" in Irak? :D
Didn't know USA 's borders stretched that far . xD
Wow i am arguing with an american..lol. I want my several minutes spent typing this back.
End of dicussion , americans aren't worth my time - you guys are way below the decent EQ. G'bye.
cr4yv3n 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n Most Americans are smart enough to know that we can make our own decisions in how we live our lives. amazing how you believe everything government tells u. If u wana live ur life with goverment telling u what bulbs to use, when to eat, when to make love or when to take a sh*t, knock urself out. But most of us here are capable of making our own choices. If u hate the US so much, then dont come here. The last thing we need here is paranoid hippies trying to tell ppl what we can use
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@noreaga12326 The problem also is that the left is trying to Europeanize America, making us a bunch of sheeple to the government. Fortunately, the majority of Americans will not put up with that crap! The liberal media tries to make it sound like we need to be Europeanized, but not gonna happen! The hell with that Euro trash!
newalm 4 months ago
@newalm amen to that.Most Americans are smart enough to realize that government isnt the solution, its the problem. the idiots in congress are wayyyy too much in ppl's shorts. i remember when cfls 1st came out and tv commercials were encouraging us to use them and save energy. Now they wana force them on us cuz they know most ppl dont like them. its incredible how these moron greenies will turn their homes looking like the inside of a cave cuz theyre stupid enough to believe its saving the earth
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@noreaga12326 I remember those commercials too! One that really annoyed me was Home Depot, when the father was picking a incandascent light bulb and her little daughter pulls at his shirt and hands him a CFL with a blank "I know what is best" look on her face. Brainwashed by her teachers no doubt.
newalm 3 months ago
@newalm this woman is a complete nut job. these greenies are always claiming that cfls will save the planet but refuse to ignore the fact that they have mercury in them. They're answer is always "theres only a litle mercury". All that "little" mercury adds up since most ppl arent going to recycle them properly. i say, fuck CFLs. this is the land of the free which means that we should be free to buy any light bulbs we want.
noreaga12326 3 months ago
@cr4yv3n Most Americans are smart enough to know that we can make our own decisions in how we live our lives. amazing how you believe everything government tells u. If u wana live ur life with goverment telling u what bulbs to use, when to eat, when to make love or when to take a crap, knock urself out. But most of us here are capable of making our own choices. If u hate the US so much, then dont come here. The last thing we need here is paranoid hippies trying to tell ppl what we can use
noreaga12326 4 months ago
@cr4yv3n it upsets u because America is more free than in your country. you're a hurt little soul because ppl like me refuse to believe ur dumb green beliefs. why dont u go hug on some elses tree now... u little tree hugger :D
noreaga12326 4 months ago
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@cr4yv3n it upsets u because America is more free than in your country. you're a hurt little soul because ppl like me refuse to believe ur crazy green beliefs. why dont u go hug on some elses tree now... u little tree hugger :D
noreaga12326 4 months ago