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[3877michael]

All of science is like fairy stories. Little red riding hood.. Goldie Lox and the three bears... All great stories and tell a little lesson. This program is another fairy story. Enjoy it as such. Great story and lessons. Science is a profound mythology that illuminates aspects of reality. Do not be confused, science can only tell stories and point to a truth. YES? Got to use something other than the rational mind to know the true reality.

[cray32]

this guy comes up wit some good points, u have to give him atleast that. very interesting new way of thinking about the world

[09205479428]

Isn't it obvious what he said ( 6:52 ). The radiation of energy and its curving back to singularity "generates gravity", meaning electromagnetism produces gravity. Furthermore, his theory eliminates the weak and strong force as fundamental forces of nature. Therefore, what is left is ELECTROMAGNETISM only. Case close for Eintein's 1 inch long formula to describe the mechanics of the Universe....I hope.

[TheBobathon]

@09205479428 umm, you don't actually know what any of that means, do you

[09205479428]

@TheBobathon Well to point it out in the philosophical / theoretical point of view, what i've said is logical but that yet has to be verified mathematically. What is your point of view when Nassim said about the radiation of energy curving back to singularity ?

[TheBobathon]

@09205479428 my point of view is that it's word soup, it doesn't mean anything. If you can find anything in any of his papers or any of his presentations that explains this curving radiation, or defines or explains any of the terms or concepts that he's using, please show me them. He's stringing a load of words strung together that sound scientific, as he always does, and attempting some very naive explanations of some basic physics, and getting it all wrong, as ever.

[09205479428]

Maybe the esoteric references he uses disturbs you, its normal. Check out Nassim's paper on Schwarzchild proton. Its uploaded & computed by the Alien scientist, examine the computation made there if you can see anything wrong. For researchers, we are all looking for a good model to describe the mechanics of the Universe that we can establish an algorithm for varied applications ( A.I, Appled Engineering.. etc. ). So far, we find Nassim's model possible, but this is of course subject to scrutiny.

[TheBobathon]

@09205479428 I've read his paper, and written articles on it. Search for 'schproton'

What he does is not esoteric, my friend. The science he uses is baby science, it's naive and full of mistakes. He's a fraud. The only thing that's disturbing about it is the fact that so many people are taken in by him.

Ask yourself this - do any of his followers actually work with protons? No, all non-scientists, mostly New Agers who just like his style.

Check out the reasoning against him & figure for yourself

[09205479428]

@TheBobathon In many point you are correct and let me point as well that even physicist themselves have trouble interpreting their findings. Inside a lab of say 10 physicist, they come up with many explanation. Even our genius Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr, Michio kaku, Heisenberg, guys at string theory and Isaac Newton had flaws in their theory. Sad thing we depend on them. Anyways i'm not here to argue or babble, i'm a researcher.. i try to find truths. Good luck there friend.

[TheBobathon]

@09205479428 Of course they had imperfections in their theories - no human is omniscient. They were genuinely seeking the truth, they respected each others expertise and they knew that a theory which contradicts experiment is a busted theory. And they are honest about what they do not know. Their struggles have led to real understanding.

Haramein is selling a brand. He is most definitely not honest about what he does not know. He dismisses almost all of science, out of ignorance.

Yes, good luck.

[TheBobathon]

@09205479428 He then goes on to say a whole load more false things about the concept of the strong nuclear force. He presents the superficial idea of it, as you might see in a very basic physics book, and then laughs at it for being superficial.

Scientists didn't invent the strong force to sweep a problem under the carpet! They did what scientists have always done - investigate every avenue, and describe what they saw. The theory of QCD is a whole lot more sophisticated than he'll ever know.

[09205479428]

.. on the QCD being a lot more sophisticated is in my opinion makes a further step to a more complex equation. If it does, we must step back and re evaluate our physics.. are going the right direction ? Maybe not maybe yes. We could be at the verge of new discovery or we could be hitting a blind wall.

[09205479428]

Under Einstein's theory of relativity and The Standard model, it failed to predict quantum behaviour. This is the reason why quantum physics came to account the weak and strong force in their equation.. so that in string theory, later m theory, they were able to unify all forces. Ok so it was unified, but the problem is the model/equation is "ugly" if i may use the word of the physicist Briane Greene. Our current quantum explanation of the very small world of the atoms seems like base on modern.

[09205479428]

... modern day superstition ( see double slit experiment - the collapse of wave and particles ) and uncertainty principle ). Sad to say, in my own understanding, I find Nassim's explanation plausible as why the collapse occur and uncertainty is accounted. I think we should look into his theory more in depth.

[111RobinHood]

The problem with comments like zybyl is that he is ignorant. He believes that there is no underlying reality, a unity. Well, when you shine light into a prism, the light vibration breaks up into the coloured spectrum. The only reason why the yellow light is different from the blue light is because the RATE of vibration is different. It is the RATE of vibration that causes different manifestaions of reality. But in essence, all is vibration. The idea of separateness is the greatest illusion.

[MIKOLBZ]

Can any of you physicists explain how Edward leedskalnin built his coral castle to me? thanks

[dakamalu]

@MIKOLBZ No. They cannot, and neither can I.

[dakamalu]

Hmmm. . . so,

Bohr claimed that the electron orbits were "sacred" or quantized. Did he not?

[dakamalu]

@dakamalu Yeah, he did. Why? Because there was no other way to explain the electron orbiting and not losing energy. You gotta admit, Nassim is right on this one. Maybe not others, but he is correct here.

[TheBobathon]

My god. I do try - honestly I do - to see the positive in this guy's ideas, and why people think he's so good. It's just the most incompetent presentation I've ever seen. Everything he says is simply transparently wrong. There isn't a single minute that is free of mistakes and misunderstandings. And people cluster around his 'philosophies' like flies around a cow pat? Someone help me understand why...

[Karma01010]

@TheBobathon People cluster round Haramein's crap because he makes them feel as if they are privy to "secret" information that "the mainstream" has somehow missed. He gets away with this, because these people do not have the mental tools to be able to make informed decisions on haramein's theories. A basic scientific education would allow them to do this, but they don't have one. It's quite pathetic.

[dakamalu]

@Karma01010 Has the "mainstream" missed anything?

[dakamalu]

@Karma01010 Do you have a basic scientific education? I have some questions.

[TheBobathon]

@dakamalu what questions do you have?

[TheBobathon]

"The first axiom of quantum physics is that we don't care about causation" ? Nope.

The point about experiments on atoms is that they showed Newtonian physics wasn't quite right. Not Newton's fault, he wasn't to know. Quantum physics developed as a better description.

Haramein is saying "but nobody explained these quantum weird things in Newtonian terms!"

Now see if you can work out why this might be...

[Karma01010]

Please look up what the term "straw man argument" actually means, it's not what you think.

He is not "showing flaws" in science, he is misrepresenting parts of science and then showing flaws **in his misrepresentation** of it.

He makes a "straw man version" and attacks **that**, not the actual science. And since his audience don't know the difference between the real science and his strawman representation of it, he gets away with it.

[DexVil]

@Karma01010

Why'd he want to use the "straw man argument" for fame just to recognise him as a scientist? Just to fool everyone? what are he's intentions by "lying" to us?

[stevemac11]

Of course he is using "straw man" tactics in a presentation like this. He is showing his basic understanding of ideas and the flaws in the current systems of scientific understanding. I'm sure his journal articles are much further explained and given stronger objections and arguments. It's jsut a presentation at the end of the day, not the thesis defense.

[Karma01010]

You still don't know what a "straw man" is. It is not "attacking the weakest link". It is substituting a similar-looking proposition (the "straw man") and refuting THAT, instead of the original proposition.

e.g. Haramein says science states laws for "closed systems" because it doesn't know most systems are "open". That is the "straw man" version. The REAL reason is to define laws accurately, while knowing that they need to be modified in real-world open systems.

I know you won't get this.

[Karma01010]

Laws couched in terms of isolated systems (for reasons of clarity) work fine for open systems because, in real-world calculations, the open-ness can be taken into account. Nassim tries to turn this *strength* of science on it's head, implying that science has somehow been blind to open systems. In fact the exact opposite is true! The very terms "isolated" or "open" system come FROM science. Nassim wouldn't even know about these if not for science! Typical of Nassims straw-man tactics.

[TheMikejk]

What "straw man" tactics? He's not attacking science but only the inertia of scientists who don't follow their own dictums, for example their underestimation of "dark matter". That's putting them on the defensive obviously.

[Karma01010]

You don't now what the term "straw man argument" means. Look it up.

[TheMikejk]

That's right, use diversion to defend a beaten argument. Of course I know that "straw man" arguments seek to attack the weakest links in an argument. That's beside the point. You haven't addressed my accusation that scientists, in general, suffer from intertia. They are too content to cling to dogma and their tenure at academic institutions.

[Karma01010]

Far from "inertia", science has progressed spectacularly fast in the last 150 years, and is getting faster every day, countless new ideas, new technologies, new insights into every aspect of the universe.

There are now more scientific papers being published than at ANY time in history - all containing new ideas and findings (if they weren't new, they wouldn't need to BE published!). "inertia" lmao.

[Karma01010]

Laws are described for isolated systems NOT because science has "forgotten" about interactions, it is to allow the untangling of precise principles from messy real-world situations. For example; an object dropping thru air doesn't obey just one law, but separate laws of gravity, air resistance, turbulence, etc. These are then COMBINED to fully describe the behaviour of the system.

This is not an oversight of science, as nassim would have you beleieve. It is another of his Straw Man arguments!

[kekikamiller]

Yes I agree, I don't think anything is isolated.

Admitting that that is not like reality to look at things for simplicity sake is one thing.

But it actually makes a lot more sense when you don't do so.

The fractal nature he is describing makes all the sense in the world.

[triloff]

its not isolated.. its infinate>>according to nh...and hes making alot of connections in this series to back this up

[indie3]

Good point HiJaQue. Also;

Physical Laws are often defined for "isolated systems" for reasons of clarity. Physics **KNOWS** that there are really very few isolated systems in nature. Haramein tries to make the audience think that physicists have somehow "missed" this fact. What a lying weasel.

[Pandamanrr]

@indie3 There are not very few isolated systems in nature. There are none.

[roen04]

Doesn't he state that in the lecture?

[Pandamanrr]

@roen04 Yes, but you stated otherwise.

"Physics **KNOWS** that there are really very few isolated systems in nature. "

There is not such thing as an isolated system. It only works in theory.

[dakamalu]

@indie3 So then, if I put a proton into a space with an electric field, it will experience a force. In this space, what is experiencing the effect of Newton's 3rd law?

[dakamalu]

@indie3 But isn't that the problem? How can you use a model from an isolated system to apply to that which is not? Especially if the non-isolated system has issues that trash your understanding?

[ParapaDrifter]

@indie3 what a conundrum" "all our natural laws, based on something that is not found in nature"

If physicists have not missed that fact, then they've successfully misled the public into thinking that we live in an isolated system. Nonetheless, identifying and describing the limitless system of the vacuum is the next step in understanding our world(aka science)

[nunezger]

@indie3 if you think nassim is such a lying weasel why you keep watching all his videos. dont you have anything better to do ?

[TenzinKSG]

@indie3 how much are they paying you to post all these? the truth will be known, you guys can't hide it any longer.

[TheBobathon]

@TenzinKSG nutter :-)

[dbfan2scfan]

@indie3

"physical laws are often defined for 'isolated systems' for reasons of clarity..."

Do you not see the problem right there?

[HiJaQue]

Isnt the universe an isolated system? If it is, whats the problem?

[zybyl]

Quantum physics* has been verified more accurately, to more decimal places, than any other scientific principle in history. Whatever theory comes after it must include it, just as Relativity contained Newtons laws within it as a subset.

* Real quantum physics, that is, the equations, the physical results. Not the silly philosophical "we are all connected" new age crap.

[dakamalu]

@zybyl

So what is it?

[haolejohn]

@zybyl Sure...that is why you start off without any truth in it at all.

[dbfan2scfan]

@zybyl

All it takes is some contemplation to realize that we are all one.

[mirandansa]

Quantum physics debunked? THAT'S HUGE!

[Subspace4d]

The speed of rotation of electron around hydrogen is not speed of light its 2189781m/s.

[tremulent]

He didn't say it was traveling at c. He said it was 99.9% which isn't right either but the principle it there. c=2.98x10^8 m/s

[LukeCoulson]

Blue screen of death at 8.00 minutes in (approx). Critical? What di "I" miss.

[cameronvcope]

someone asks a question about the point he was convering when the tape ended, which he goes back over at 10:00, so i dont think you missed anything.

[crystalblueming]

He's so young and knows so much

[Blackastartes]

I find it funny how a video about a new Lara Croft model gets over a 1 000 000 views, but someone explaining the nature of existence and all it's implications get a fraction of that... Humanity needs to get it's priorities straight...

[drevenkaine]

absolutely. Our civilization doesn't stand a chance.

[Deliveryboy09]

He has an emissary program you can train in. :)

[OBeymydreamz]

you just blew my fucken mind

[Doggidew4u]

I believe you can speak to him via conference call. There are folks whom follow his work to a tee world wide. And you will miraculously find the information you seek. At 'random'.

[iamtheharvester]

i wish i could talk to this man SO bad i want to ask him so much

[sophiavbfleury]

very excited watching it so far

insanely good material till now

[morphentia]

I swear I didn't rate this 1 star but, yet it says !

[55555258258]

Genius connecting inorganic with organic matter!!! I do not understand some details jet, but I will definitely check that out.

[PretzelStetzel]

mind blowing.

[eneaenea9]

absolutely !!

I want all of his books or articles...!!!!

Where do I find?

[captainroger]

Just search an online physics journal