This is for all that says that shonen is a spammer, that he can't win without BL Loop. Where is the loop here? Who got badly owned? i only see some sort of loop only once in the last round...
Ive seen lots of shonen vids since there are so many and doggies made some good comments on some. If he believes in honor so let him. No one else has been able to fully replicate Shonen's gameplay. Oh and if Shonen plays as well as everybody is saying here then why hasnt won a single competition, and he keeps losing to wierd players.
And this is something shounen does very well, his first concern with combos is not hits or even damage, it's the setup achieved (favorable knockdown) and the ability to bait burst (some combos naturally bait burst, badlands is very burstable). And like I said before, he might just stop a combo short of the opponents burst refilling to bait it, and so has developed favorable follow-ups to either re-establish pressure (leading to mixup) or reset his opponent.
Yep. My older brother plays Testament so I know just what "abusing Badlands loop" really means, there have been times when I couldn't stand it anymore and just threw my controller at him >;)
whokilledmydoggie assumes Shonen isn't as crazy about it coz of game honor "don't piss your opponent off when it's not worth it". =P It's different from chivalry.
My opinion is Shonen simply doesn't want to press more buttons than he needs to.
Well I'm sure when people coin a new term to sum up "too-much-abuse-it's-even-making-me-sick-and-it's-not-like-it's-worth-the-effort-anyway" I'll start using that but until then, hey. That five letter word should do.
And FYI I actually do know enough about Testament and I *can* pull off any of these combos you see here with some practice, the reason I'm at awe with Shounen is that pulling off these combos is just not the same as doing them on the fly and knowing when to pull them off as he does.
Personally I think abusing an obvious game "bug" for your own ends counts as as very unsportsmanly/dishonorable.
But the problem is that there's no real, official sanction for it meaning whether or not it really is and whether or not it should be allowed or not is up to public discretion.
Take Duo Lon of the King of Fighters 2003 as an example. In a lot tournaments he is a banned character and in others (the participants of whom are mostly Duo Lon players themselves) he is accepted.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with the playability of GG. There are NO bugs in AC that are game breaking, or even approaching game breaking. I feel sorry for people playing king of fighters series. It's a broken piss-poor engine... And the people who play the game are just otaku that like the "characters" and "storyline".
I don't think gg has a "bug". If anyone COULD abuse bloop, any child should be able to beat the top japs there. Look at MVC2 and the infinites. So many characters have been banned because those games *do* have the bug, GG does not.
-a "loop" is a combo. So is an infinite, for that matter.
-honour in fighting games only exists outside the game. Sportsmanship. Taunting in RL, disrupting your opponents hands or field of vision, etc is bad sportsmanship. Using badlands to extend your combo when the timer is low in order to win by time? That's just being clever. Blame the design of the game if have to blame something.
Playing to win isn't literally playing only to win. At least, not ALL of the time is it a good idea. If players did that, they would stagnate and eventually be outclassed by more adventurous and clever players. But even when you AREN'T playing to win, you still shouldn't play to show off. Likewise, Shounen isn't showing some kind of "honor", but he IS human, and prone to error. Every time you extend, you could be screwing up and letting your opponent off the hook.
Part of playing this game is about minimizing risks. Doing an extra lengthy combo where the damage is down to a pixel per hit is sometimes too risky, especially if they are close to getting their burst back. And sometimes, he doesn't do full combos (or stops em short of the badlands) because he's actually BAITING A BURST, having NOTHING to do with "honor" whatsoever.
I dunno if I trust arcadia too much (did you happen to see the last #R rankings they did way back? Shit was whack). Granted, I guess towards the end he climbed back up to A? (When slash came out, he was at A, then fell to C... I guess the japanese started doing well with him when I wasn't looking). Thanks for the info, though.
You just killed off your own arguement. Watch some of Testament's earlier, Reload videos then if you claim that he's the beast he is only because of Badlands and accent core. He even has a reload combo video here in youtube.
Are you joking? How is saying that he got ranked A tier in slash killing off my argument? Testament got a TINY buff from XX to reload, but he was never high in the tiers in reload, which was my point. Shounen has always been just been a freakishly good testament player (even in xx and reload), same with ruu being a freakishly good bridget player. But just because Ruu tears shit up in AC with bridget doesn't mean bridget isn't bottom tier in ac does it? (FYI: bridget in garbage tier in ac).
What I'm saying is that berating Shounen's gameplay based on the fact that Testament is "top tier" in AC is BS because he's been that way since Reload. *You* might be interested on knowing know that Shounen - of all people - likes showing off. That particular fact is quite obvious and is why so many people like to watch him play.
He doesn't do Badlands to just to bring time on his side - that's a completely stupid assumption as I've never seen Shounen win by timeout. He usually doesn't stop Badlands because he's afraid of or is baiting a burst - in fact, Shounen is one particular player who likes showing off long, flashy combos.
You killed off your own arguement because if Shounen *did* play as you claim he does then he would have made considerably more progress in AC tournaments than he is currently doing.
But I tire of this "battle". *You* should learn to choose your battles more carefully. At least *I* know when to avoid arguements like this simply because neither of us can really win over it and the only person who could settle it is Shounen himself.
Oh yes, I agree that the infinite isn't worth it. Because of burst, because of the effort involved for only slightly higher rewards, etc. Really, I just disagree with these other guys who are saying he doesn't use it for "honor" reasons, or because he "respects" the opponent. That's BS, pure and simple, for the reasons stated above. Learn to pick your battles better, doggie.
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The reason I'm saying that Shounen plays with honor (which is an inappopriate term, saying he doesn't like to abuse Badlands to the very max is more to the point) is because I've been watching his games since reload and despite all setups he's created he doesn't make it a point to poison you and then subject you to *very* long combos at every opportunity - a stark contrast to the playing style of top GG players out there who make it a point to "maximize" what their characters can do.
Actually, I think shonen just likes going for the 1 hit untechable badlands to set up corner pressure, rather than going for max damage with the loop and letting the opponent back in the game.
Pressure is an important part of GG. In a game where just about every character has a means of attacking you high and low at the same time it's better to just go on the offensive than find yourself at the receiving end of it. Note that some of GG's best players have mastered combos that require precise timing down to the very last millisecond. And yet even they have not mastered the ability to block every attack thrown at them.
You mention Honour and yet you imply that you'd resort to any means necessary to win if there was a prize involved. As far as I've seen Shounen is one of the few truly "honorable" Testament players out there who don't stoop as low as to do Badlands over and over again just as long as there's still a way to continue the loop, minus a few times when he's obviously being sadistic on purpose.
i have seen a lot of vids of him using infinite pressures and spamming the badlands loop... all testament players do it acutally. only when they are about to lose their defense mechanism kicks in with badlands loop... i mean lets face it do you really want to lose? shounen doesnt thats why he does it... but i have also seen vids of him not using it and he won. but lets face it they buffed up testament too much in accent core. he was already high tier in x2... way to make high tier even higher...
Yes they buffed him up a lot in accent core. No pressures are infinite - Shounen's "mad pressure" playing style involves him doing some very high-risk moves (like Testament's forward P) and he has lost to several players who were sharp enough to realize this. The most I've seen Shounen use that loop was against Ruu's Bridget.
Shounen's Testament is how it is more because of Shounen's skill than anything else. Take a good look at other accent core Testmament vids here and compare.
ya he is a amazing testament player, and his pressure is second to none. and i know he lost some of his match because opening. but i just wish they didnt buff up testament a crap load in this game because, he was already a deadly character in XX and the other... but XX mostly. besides testament with traps and that range... other character gets raped by him.(example:jam, one of my favorite characters) they should have at least made badlands loop more like sidewinder loop...
Shounen is a master at setting traps. Watch other vids if you think his gameplay is all about loops and pressure - at the very heart of shounen's gameplay is his ability to set traps discretely or while pressuring his opponents so they forget about them.
Also against Ky relying purely on Testament's trapping abilities is stupid since Ky's projectiles would just set the more critically placed ones off anyway.
If you're going to learn a character JUST to fight Testament (which is incredibly silly, but whatever) I'd say avoid ranged characters. Testament's counter would mess you up pretty easily, then he'd be able to pressure you as soon as you got up. As much as I HATE him, I'd say the best choice to take down Testament would be Potumpkin. (Purposefully spelt wrong, for the lulz)
at the part where you mentioned "honour" like anyone gives a shit when they're trying to win a match about something as stupid as honour. read "play to win" plz
Read "there are no fucking prizes for the winner in this case," retard. If there's some kind of worthwhile prize? Sure. Unfortunately the only things at stake in a tourney like this is:
-A good fight
-Reputation
Neither of these is gained by being a cheap fuck, except by dickheads who can't tell the difference between an actual combo and a loop.
I think they're both poor people with broken egos who will use any tactic they possibly can to win in the easiest way. And if loops and infinite pressure/massive mixups don't portray that, then I'm the Fuhrer of the Fifth Reich.
Testament is a trap character. He's meant to get most of his damage from traps, like how Bridget gets damage from her yoyo, Potemkin gets damage from his grapples, and Zappa gets damage from, well, saving up for Raoul. I highly doubt Testament was intended to be given a 70-80% loop that doesn't require a single trap. As far as I'm concerned it's just a rare oversight on part of the testers.
So, wait, you consider these 2 to be pathetic players because they can find loops and setups that aren't involved in the basic structure of the character. They're bad players because they use a bit of ingenuity to find out new combos? You're gonna be fighting a losing battle, buddy.
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Ingenuity? Testament's loop is one of the most basic combos in the game. It doesn't take ingenuity to say "Oh hey, Testament's new Badlands knocks them really far up, I wonder if I mixed it up with a couple of basic moves, could I loop it?" Buppa on the other hand is just using Ky's basic tactic of CSE when the enemy gets up, except unlike some Ky players he INCESSANTLY does it EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME they're OTG.
And he's one of the more successful Ky players around, isn't he? If someone who is very good at what they do goes for a particular move quite often, I'm pretty sure there's a reason for it.
I'm pretty bad at GG, so I assume it builds up guard bar quite well or something like that. It definitely forces them to block right as soon as they get up, which means Ky can continue to apply pressure after the knockdown - which is a good thing.
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Ever heard of the term 'honour'? Guess not. Charge Stun Edge forces the opponent to guard. It does a bit to the guard meter, but not much. The main purpose is forcing them to guard. Then Ky runs in and, because his mixup game is so good, he has a damn good chance of getting through their guard for at least a couple of hits, knocking them over, and then doing it all over again. It's a cheap tactic that takes about 5 seconds to master, and it makes for a boring game for everyone.
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I know perfectly well how to play Guilty Gear, thanks. Just because I'm not a loser who spams pressure tactics doesn't mean I can't play, it just means I choose to have INTERESTING, ENJOYABLE FIGHTS. Fuck.
well what about testament then, he applies the same damn pressure plus that badland loop can take you down to 20-25% from the start if you don't have a burst that is. but if you are lucky(with burst) maybe 40-50% health. besides in accent core they nerfed ky alot. combo's that give you 35% dmg in XX, now only give 25%... i am a jam/sol player and i dont have trouble with really good ky's.
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I play Slayer, I don't have much trouble with Ky either anymore. I used to. Now I've gotten used to reading his movements and guarding all his mixups, but, it's still annoying to have to guard every time to get knocked over. I hate guarding. And yeah, Testament's Badlands Looping, as I've said before, is also immensely cheap.
Pr3mi3rMD, while I'm not arguing against you, I hafta say your method of arguing is very lame. You made absolutely no point, and only attempted to insult someone.
@Shinkada it's more like... I'd say BLEED, Shounen, and Ruu are all the most able examples for each respective character- I simply see it as, if the best Testament player can be beaten by 2 D-tier characters in the hands of the right player GGAC is pretty damn balanced and doesn't need a change as big as restructuring all of TE's combos as they did from slash to AC.
Everybody has big, damaging combos in AC, and some characters have an easier time leading into them than others.
@Shinkada ...and as far as BL loop being tensionless is concerned...
BR and VE are able to pressure and mix up without tension and can gain the offensive out of a wide variety of situations- Testament needs EXE Beast FRC and cannot maintain pressure long unless he has traps or crow set up. What the other characters may lack in attack next to BL loop they make up for in other aspects. To be 'broken' is to be unplayable. You ought to have to guts to conquer the TE adversity yourself.
@cursedvanity Honestly I think Testament is better at getting people into combos than Bridget or Venom are, which is why I think the BL loop is broken. That and, well, it has nothing to do with his traps. Bridget NEEDS his yoyos for his best combos, which accentuates his reliance on them. Testament on the other hand could, at a low tournament level, be played like a Street Fighter character and win purely because of the loop, while not using a single trap. It ruins his gameplay imo.
@Shinkada I see what you mean- TE's zoning is awfully good, and a good TE can turn most connected normals into BL loop or 1-hit BL... but I feel like his inability to escape pressure easily makes him a good candidate for rushdown and mixup, so once you get in you are rewarded and it balances out. You just have to be careful on the approach and take your time, I think.
If you've seen any of the Shounen/Ruu matches where Ruu wins the round you'll know what I mean.
annoying ass beep in my ear.... fuck this video... wait a minute this shit is kool
ksmoove12able 7 months ago
This is for all that says that shonen is a spammer, that he can't win without BL Loop. Where is the loop here? Who got badly owned? i only see some sort of loop only once in the last round...
666culorto666 7 months ago
0:33 - 0:43 That is the sexiest pressure after a crow I've ever seen followed by an even sexier, perfectly timed unblockable.
rurouni572 1 year ago
@FfantasyF
someone who understands!!! <3
GuiltyFaust 1 year ago
As broken as Testament may be, that does not erase the simple fact that Shonen is a beast.
Yzyz00r 1 year ago 2
1:55 Niiiiiiice.
JessicaAngel22 2 years ago
LOL 0:41 UNBLOCKABLE!!!! Buppa musta been like "oh shit"
Nvoy123 2 years ago 8
hitomi at 0:42 was just classy lol
Oosanbashi 2 years ago
Is Shonen the best Testament Player?
MPit08 2 years ago 3
Not sure about accent core, too many Testy players have suddenly sprung from out of nowhere. Before accent core tho, definitely.
whokilledmydoggie 2 years ago
Shonen is definitely still the best Testament player in the world.
Oosanbashi 2 years ago
I'd say he is, and if not he's certainly has the best SBO record with him.
Laembort 2 years ago
freaking shonen.
this shits like a second nature to him
smokelakes 3 years ago 2
Is there a shonen vs ruu match?
oxXElloXxo 3 years ago
Yes, there is a couple. Shonen won those as well.
blackhorse1988 2 years ago
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perereca 2 years ago
Ive seen lots of shonen vids since there are so many and doggies made some good comments on some. If he believes in honor so let him. No one else has been able to fully replicate Shonen's gameplay. Oh and if Shonen plays as well as everybody is saying here then why hasnt won a single competition, and he keeps losing to wierd players.
Lariososcar 3 years ago
maximizing combo hits is for noobs. testament gameplay is more on setup not for maximizing combo hits. this is not MVC.
nindeska 3 years ago 7
Now THAT was well said.
And this is something shounen does very well, his first concern with combos is not hits or even damage, it's the setup achieved (favorable knockdown) and the ability to bait burst (some combos naturally bait burst, badlands is very burstable). And like I said before, he might just stop a combo short of the opponents burst refilling to bait it, and so has developed favorable follow-ups to either re-establish pressure (leading to mixup) or reset his opponent.
xainxodik 3 years ago 2
Testament's corner game is ridiculous
minifrostylin 3 years ago
Yep. My older brother plays Testament so I know just what "abusing Badlands loop" really means, there have been times when I couldn't stand it anymore and just threw my controller at him >;)
whokilledmydoggie assumes Shonen isn't as crazy about it coz of game honor "don't piss your opponent off when it's not worth it". =P It's different from chivalry.
My opinion is Shonen simply doesn't want to press more buttons than he needs to.
trishanovaotalaboc 3 years ago
whokilledmydoggie clearly knows nothing about testament.
projekt84 3 years ago 3
"whokilledmydoggie clearly knows nothing about testament." Quoted for truth.
SuLLyZorZ 3 years ago
lol honor
MEzm3r1z3 4 years ago
lol well said
Hikuupuu 4 years ago
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Well I'm sure when people coin a new term to sum up "too-much-abuse-it's-even-making-me-sick-and-it's-not-like-it's-worth-the-effort-anyway" I'll start using that but until then, hey. That five letter word should do.
And FYI I actually do know enough about Testament and I *can* pull off any of these combos you see here with some practice, the reason I'm at awe with Shounen is that pulling off these combos is just not the same as doing them on the fly and knowing when to pull them off as he does.
whokilledmydoggie 3 years ago
Personally I think abusing an obvious game "bug" for your own ends counts as as very unsportsmanly/dishonorable.
But the problem is that there's no real, official sanction for it meaning whether or not it really is and whether or not it should be allowed or not is up to public discretion.
Take Duo Lon of the King of Fighters 2003 as an example. In a lot tournaments he is a banned character and in others (the participants of whom are mostly Duo Lon players themselves) he is accepted.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
This is an issue that has nothing to do with the playability of GG. There are NO bugs in AC that are game breaking, or even approaching game breaking. I feel sorry for people playing king of fighters series. It's a broken piss-poor engine... And the people who play the game are just otaku that like the "characters" and "storyline".
xainxodik 4 years ago
I don't think gg has a "bug". If anyone COULD abuse bloop, any child should be able to beat the top japs there. Look at MVC2 and the infinites. So many characters have been banned because those games *do* have the bug, GG does not.
OhSoInsane 3 years ago
wow... i just wanna say...
what a bunch of scrubs commenting on this video.
I'll clue you guys in:
-a "loop" is a combo. So is an infinite, for that matter.
-honour in fighting games only exists outside the game. Sportsmanship. Taunting in RL, disrupting your opponents hands or field of vision, etc is bad sportsmanship. Using badlands to extend your combo when the timer is low in order to win by time? That's just being clever. Blame the design of the game if have to blame something.
xainxodik 4 years ago 7
But wait, there's more!
Playing to win isn't literally playing only to win. At least, not ALL of the time is it a good idea. If players did that, they would stagnate and eventually be outclassed by more adventurous and clever players. But even when you AREN'T playing to win, you still shouldn't play to show off. Likewise, Shounen isn't showing some kind of "honor", but he IS human, and prone to error. Every time you extend, you could be screwing up and letting your opponent off the hook.
xainxodik 4 years ago
Part of playing this game is about minimizing risks. Doing an extra lengthy combo where the damage is down to a pixel per hit is sometimes too risky, especially if they are close to getting their burst back. And sometimes, he doesn't do full combos (or stops em short of the badlands) because he's actually BAITING A BURST, having NOTHING to do with "honor" whatsoever.
xainxodik 4 years ago
One last thing...
Testament was never A tier until AC came out. He was E tier in both XX and #R, and in slash he was roughly C tier.
xainxodik 4 years ago
Atucally he was A Slash
Tier list as of December 2005 in the Arcadia Magazine
S Class: Ky
A Class: Sol --- Faust --- Testament --- Potemkin --- Anji
Darkhonor90 4 years ago
I dunno if I trust arcadia too much (did you happen to see the last #R rankings they did way back? Shit was whack). Granted, I guess towards the end he climbed back up to A? (When slash came out, he was at A, then fell to C... I guess the japanese started doing well with him when I wasn't looking). Thanks for the info, though.
xainxodik 4 years ago
You just killed off your own arguement. Watch some of Testament's earlier, Reload videos then if you claim that he's the beast he is only because of Badlands and accent core. He even has a reload combo video here in youtube.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
*So you do agree that efficient use of Badlands requires you to cut the combo off at some point or another.* So why all the commotion about a "loop"?
Infinite Badlands requires a zeinest set up. I haven't seen Shounen do one - most of his zeinest combos in fact end up being air combos.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
Are you joking? How is saying that he got ranked A tier in slash killing off my argument? Testament got a TINY buff from XX to reload, but he was never high in the tiers in reload, which was my point. Shounen has always been just been a freakishly good testament player (even in xx and reload), same with ruu being a freakishly good bridget player. But just because Ruu tears shit up in AC with bridget doesn't mean bridget isn't bottom tier in ac does it? (FYI: bridget in garbage tier in ac).
xainxodik 4 years ago
What I'm saying is that berating Shounen's gameplay based on the fact that Testament is "top tier" in AC is BS because he's been that way since Reload. *You* might be interested on knowing know that Shounen - of all people - likes showing off. That particular fact is quite obvious and is why so many people like to watch him play.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
He doesn't do Badlands to just to bring time on his side - that's a completely stupid assumption as I've never seen Shounen win by timeout. He usually doesn't stop Badlands because he's afraid of or is baiting a burst - in fact, Shounen is one particular player who likes showing off long, flashy combos.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
You killed off your own arguement because if Shounen *did* play as you claim he does then he would have made considerably more progress in AC tournaments than he is currently doing.
But I tire of this "battle". *You* should learn to choose your battles more carefully. At least *I* know when to avoid arguements like this simply because neither of us can really win over it and the only person who could settle it is Shounen himself.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
Oh yes, I agree that the infinite isn't worth it. Because of burst, because of the effort involved for only slightly higher rewards, etc. Really, I just disagree with these other guys who are saying he doesn't use it for "honor" reasons, or because he "respects" the opponent. That's BS, pure and simple, for the reasons stated above. Learn to pick your battles better, doggie.
xainxodik 4 years ago
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The reason I'm saying that Shounen plays with honor (which is an inappopriate term, saying he doesn't like to abuse Badlands to the very max is more to the point) is because I've been watching his games since reload and despite all setups he's created he doesn't make it a point to poison you and then subject you to *very* long combos at every opportunity - a stark contrast to the playing style of top GG players out there who make it a point to "maximize" what their characters can do.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
Actually, I think shonen just likes going for the 1 hit untechable badlands to set up corner pressure, rather than going for max damage with the loop and letting the opponent back in the game.
Pandaman64 3 years ago
Pressure is an important part of GG. In a game where just about every character has a means of attacking you high and low at the same time it's better to just go on the offensive than find yourself at the receiving end of it. Note that some of GG's best players have mastered combos that require precise timing down to the very last millisecond. And yet even they have not mastered the ability to block every attack thrown at them.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
You mention Honour and yet you imply that you'd resort to any means necessary to win if there was a prize involved. As far as I've seen Shounen is one of the few truly "honorable" Testament players out there who don't stoop as low as to do Badlands over and over again just as long as there's still a way to continue the loop, minus a few times when he's obviously being sadistic on purpose.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
i have seen a lot of vids of him using infinite pressures and spamming the badlands loop... all testament players do it acutally. only when they are about to lose their defense mechanism kicks in with badlands loop... i mean lets face it do you really want to lose? shounen doesnt thats why he does it... but i have also seen vids of him not using it and he won. but lets face it they buffed up testament too much in accent core. he was already high tier in x2... way to make high tier even higher...
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
Yes they buffed him up a lot in accent core. No pressures are infinite - Shounen's "mad pressure" playing style involves him doing some very high-risk moves (like Testament's forward P) and he has lost to several players who were sharp enough to realize this. The most I've seen Shounen use that loop was against Ruu's Bridget.
Shounen's Testament is how it is more because of Shounen's skill than anything else. Take a good look at other accent core Testmament vids here and compare.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago
ya he is a amazing testament player, and his pressure is second to none. and i know he lost some of his match because opening. but i just wish they didnt buff up testament a crap load in this game because, he was already a deadly character in XX and the other... but XX mostly. besides testament with traps and that range... other character gets raped by him.(example:jam, one of my favorite characters) they should have at least made badlands loop more like sidewinder loop...
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
Shounen is a master at setting traps. Watch other vids if you think his gameplay is all about loops and pressure - at the very heart of shounen's gameplay is his ability to set traps discretely or while pressuring his opponents so they forget about them.
Also against Ky relying purely on Testament's trapping abilities is stupid since Ky's projectiles would just set the more critically placed ones off anyway.
whokilledmydoggie 4 years ago 2
god shounen is so good...
64058011 4 years ago 3
i am gonna have to start playing dizzy, cuz that the only character i seen end shounen reign of terror....
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
If you're going to learn a character JUST to fight Testament (which is incredibly silly, but whatever) I'd say avoid ranged characters. Testament's counter would mess you up pretty easily, then he'd be able to pressure you as soon as you got up. As much as I HATE him, I'd say the best choice to take down Testament would be Potumpkin. (Purposefully spelt wrong, for the lulz)
Shinkada 4 years ago
i luld
MEzm3r1z3 4 years ago
at the part where you mentioned "honour" like anyone gives a shit when they're trying to win a match about something as stupid as honour. read "play to win" plz
MEzm3r1z3 4 years ago 2
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Read "there are no fucking prizes for the winner in this case," retard. If there's some kind of worthwhile prize? Sure. Unfortunately the only things at stake in a tourney like this is:
-A good fight
-Reputation
Neither of these is gained by being a cheap fuck, except by dickheads who can't tell the difference between an actual combo and a loop.
Shinkada 4 years ago
Hey shinkada... you're a fuckin' scrub.
ninjababe94 2 years ago 24
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Oh no, a 14 year old thinks I'm a scrub, I'm offended. D:
Shinkada 2 years ago
She's right, you're a motherfucking scrub-ass n00b.
DemonmachinE 2 years ago 7
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protip: using the word 'scrub' informs people that you're a moron. You might want to refrain from it.
Shinkada 2 years ago
Actually, he's right, you're a scrubby n00ber. And being a total n00b informs people that you're a n00b.
You might want to refrain from sucking at life.
ninjababe94 2 years ago 7
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I've always known great minds think alike.
Apparently worthless ones do, too.
Shinkada 2 years ago
howso?
SuLLyZorZ 2 years ago
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I was referring to DemonmachinE and ninjababe94 sucking each other's cocks in the midst of debate.
Shinkada 2 years ago
wow they made TE really buff in this version... and he was already buff in the old one...
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
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SolBadguy777 3 years ago
In the old one. Te was D tier in Midnight Carnival.
SolBadguy777 3 years ago
lol but now he is top tier! RAWR!!!
BlakeSparta 3 years ago 2
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I don't know who I want to lose more, they're both such pathetic players. D:
Shinkada 4 years ago
if Shounen sucks than I'm the king of France.
I think Buppa is overrated as a ky player.
Phoenix3568 4 years ago
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I think they're both poor people with broken egos who will use any tactic they possibly can to win in the easiest way. And if loops and infinite pressure/massive mixups don't portray that, then I'm the Fuhrer of the Fifth Reich.
Shinkada 4 years ago
Wait, so just because... *sigh* nevermind.
GGMcCants 4 years ago 12
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Testament is a trap character. He's meant to get most of his damage from traps, like how Bridget gets damage from her yoyo, Potemkin gets damage from his grapples, and Zappa gets damage from, well, saving up for Raoul. I highly doubt Testament was intended to be given a 70-80% loop that doesn't require a single trap. As far as I'm concerned it's just a rare oversight on part of the testers.
Shinkada 4 years ago
So, wait, you consider these 2 to be pathetic players because they can find loops and setups that aren't involved in the basic structure of the character. They're bad players because they use a bit of ingenuity to find out new combos? You're gonna be fighting a losing battle, buddy.
VyzeLOL 4 years ago
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Ingenuity? Testament's loop is one of the most basic combos in the game. It doesn't take ingenuity to say "Oh hey, Testament's new Badlands knocks them really far up, I wonder if I mixed it up with a couple of basic moves, could I loop it?" Buppa on the other hand is just using Ky's basic tactic of CSE when the enemy gets up, except unlike some Ky players he INCESSANTLY does it EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME they're OTG.
Shinkada 4 years ago
And he's one of the more successful Ky players around, isn't he? If someone who is very good at what they do goes for a particular move quite often, I'm pretty sure there's a reason for it.
I'm pretty bad at GG, so I assume it builds up guard bar quite well or something like that. It definitely forces them to block right as soon as they get up, which means Ky can continue to apply pressure after the knockdown - which is a good thing.
VyzeLOL 4 years ago
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Ever heard of the term 'honour'? Guess not. Charge Stun Edge forces the opponent to guard. It does a bit to the guard meter, but not much. The main purpose is forcing them to guard. Then Ky runs in and, because his mixup game is so good, he has a damn good chance of getting through their guard for at least a couple of hits, knocking them over, and then doing it all over again. It's a cheap tactic that takes about 5 seconds to master, and it makes for a boring game for everyone.
Shinkada 4 years ago
lol maybe you should learn how to play GG abit more in depth before putting your two cents in
Pr3mi3rMD 4 years ago 14
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I know perfectly well how to play Guilty Gear, thanks. Just because I'm not a loser who spams pressure tactics doesn't mean I can't play, it just means I choose to have INTERESTING, ENJOYABLE FIGHTS. Fuck.
Shinkada 4 years ago
well what about testament then, he applies the same damn pressure plus that badland loop can take you down to 20-25% from the start if you don't have a burst that is. but if you are lucky(with burst) maybe 40-50% health. besides in accent core they nerfed ky alot. combo's that give you 35% dmg in XX, now only give 25%... i am a jam/sol player and i dont have trouble with really good ky's.
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
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I play Slayer, I don't have much trouble with Ky either anymore. I used to. Now I've gotten used to reading his movements and guarding all his mixups, but, it's still annoying to have to guard every time to get knocked over. I hate guarding. And yeah, Testament's Badlands Looping, as I've said before, is also immensely cheap.
Shinkada 4 years ago
well said =D
BlakeSparta 4 years ago
Pr3mi3rMD, while I'm not arguing against you, I hafta say your method of arguing is very lame. You made absolutely no point, and only attempted to insult someone.
Tokorai 3 years ago
@Shinkada if Ruu and BLEED can beat Shounen in AC I don't see why there's a problem with the way he plays.
cursedvanity 1 year ago
@Shinkada in fact as a Bridget main I should be the one bitching- the Slayer/Testament matchup may be difficult but I don't see why it's not doable.
cursedvanity 1 year ago
@cursedvanity So wait, because two of the best players around can beat Shonen, there's nothing wrong?
Just because he's not untouchable doesn't mean Testament - or more accurately, just the Badlands loop - isn't broken.
Shinkada 1 year ago
@Shinkada it's more like... I'd say BLEED, Shounen, and Ruu are all the most able examples for each respective character- I simply see it as, if the best Testament player can be beaten by 2 D-tier characters in the hands of the right player GGAC is pretty damn balanced and doesn't need a change as big as restructuring all of TE's combos as they did from slash to AC.
Everybody has big, damaging combos in AC, and some characters have an easier time leading into them than others.
cursedvanity 1 year ago
@Shinkada ...and as far as BL loop being tensionless is concerned...
BR and VE are able to pressure and mix up without tension and can gain the offensive out of a wide variety of situations- Testament needs EXE Beast FRC and cannot maintain pressure long unless he has traps or crow set up. What the other characters may lack in attack next to BL loop they make up for in other aspects. To be 'broken' is to be unplayable. You ought to have to guts to conquer the TE adversity yourself.
cursedvanity 1 year ago
@cursedvanity Honestly I think Testament is better at getting people into combos than Bridget or Venom are, which is why I think the BL loop is broken. That and, well, it has nothing to do with his traps. Bridget NEEDS his yoyos for his best combos, which accentuates his reliance on them. Testament on the other hand could, at a low tournament level, be played like a Street Fighter character and win purely because of the loop, while not using a single trap. It ruins his gameplay imo.
Shinkada 1 year ago
@Shinkada I see what you mean- TE's zoning is awfully good, and a good TE can turn most connected normals into BL loop or 1-hit BL... but I feel like his inability to escape pressure easily makes him a good candidate for rushdown and mixup, so once you get in you are rewarded and it balances out. You just have to be careful on the approach and take your time, I think.
If you've seen any of the Shounen/Ruu matches where Ruu wins the round you'll know what I mean.
cursedvanity 1 year ago
this testament is a fuking beast! :O
Leprychaun 4 years ago
Normal Shounen magic
EyeKanSpelGude 4 years ago