This guy is a Moron. Lets Vote all Republicans out and allow the will of the people. The day of Voting you out is coming. Siding with Big Business and Ruining this country by selling Our Freedom to Corporate corruption.
oh my god my world is lost, our beloved country that we stole and forced other to built is lost. What are we going to do now that the old money that we inherited and did nothing to earn will now be taxes(dare i say it) farely!!!!!! all is lost! all is lost!!!
Lets get something straight, this is NOT government take over, it is oversight that allows for all Americans to afford health care. 1976 Hyde Amendment remains; so no public funded abortions.
Remember repeal would mean a 2/3rd vote in both houses of congress, not likely to happen. It would require a 26 seat change in the Senate and nearly 130 seat change in the house. This has never happened. By 2012, the wind in the sails for the GOP will be gone from this issue.
@aeuiono 2/3rd would be required to be veto proof. Otherwise they (a new congress) would have to wait until 2013 for either a change in the WH or pick up more seats. Most GOP members are being very disingenuous running on this platform in order to raise money. Even then by 2013, some of the more popular items in the bill will be harder to remove.
@kamanu47 The Constitution? That thing that says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"?
That thing?
The GOP will run on a platform that when they take Congress, they'll block the funding, exactly what the American people want, bc we can't afford new entitlements.
As for halting executive enforcement, that's what the lawsuits and Constitutional Convention are for.
@aeuiono However the law of Health Care Reform will be delegated to the US. Your argument is weak. The 10th amendment is not what you think it is and unfortunately as my original stance goes, it is disingenuous for GOP candidates and incumbents to raise money for something they know they will not likely have a chance of doing this coming midterm. If they tried to block funding it would stop Medicare altogether. You might cheer that, but many seniors would not.
You're hilarious! The Tenth Amendment isn't what I think it is? So you can read my mind, and you're an expert on the Constitution? Would you mind telling me what the Tenth Amedment REALLY means? LOL, you.
While you're at it, help me out with the Ninth: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Repealing Obamacare would also mean repealing its Medicare cuts. Besides, seniors know we're broke.
@aeuiono Yes I do understand the constitution. Let me explain. While both amendments speak of state sovereign issues they do so in a way that does not supersede the US constitution. The 9th recognizes that there are rights that were simply not mentioned (previous amendments) these unenumerated rights are no less important than enumerated ones. 10th: limited to those granted in the Constitution and thus states may exercise its authority even in areas where the federal government may not.
@kamanu47 So explain how forcing people to buy health insurance doesn't deny or disparage the right to not buy health insurance as covered in the Ninth.
And how the federal government can pass legislation to give themselves and the IRS authority in health insurance, which is nowhere to be found in the enumerated powers of Article 1, Section 8, and thus a violation of the Tenth Amendment.
Also, isn't Congress's own exemption from the exchange a violation of Article 4, Section 2?
@aeuiono Again, rights cannot supersede constitutional rights. In passing the Health Bill into law, it makes Health Care a right. As with your right to security within the US borders there is a cost. So if you think you are being denied your rights NOT to buy insurance then you must be an advocate for Federal government to pay your way. The 16th amendment provides power to the IRS. Very few people will be in the Health Care exchanges, most will get it through their employer
@aeuiono you are right it is not part of the constitution, however when bills are signed into law, they become constitutional. The Health Care bill was NOT passed via the "Nuclear Option" which would require changing the senate and house rules, they used a rule called reconciliation. Given that both bill were previously passed with a 2/3rd majority, the fixes deemed necessary by the CBO, only required a simple majority based on the rules. Read the 2nd and 5th amendment, you are way off base.
@aeuiono The Health Care reform is law, it is constitutional without making any changes to the constitution. It is not a big game changer in our country other than now you have access to affordable health care and health care providers are now guaranteed payment for services. More importantly it allows beneficial entitlement programs like Medicare to be viable up to at least 2050.
@kamanu47 I suggest you stop voting until you educate yourself better.
Just because a law is passed and signed doesn't make it constitutional. You've probably never heard of US v. Butler, in which the SCOTUS ruled that the Agricultural Adjustment Act violated the Tenth Amendment for invading the rights of the states and going beyond the enumerated powers, but this case will be relevant when the Court rules insurance reform unconstitutional as well.
@aeuiono I will continue to vote... and yes the law is constitutional, I am informed enough to know that much. I may not be familiar with every High Court case, so until the court rules otherwise, Health Care reform is the law, however aspects of it will be phased in over time. I would suggest if you want it challenged, start your court proceedings now, it may take some time but you have that as a constitutional right.
@aeuiono I did not mind the respectful discourse (has been up to now), but when you start down the road of name calling because I don't agree with you position then I can no longer continue the conversation. It is obvious you have run out of ideas and thoughts and re-hasihg the same rhetoric only now with slander (idiot reference). It is obvious that your parents did not teach any manners.
@kamanu47 You don't take pride in being a useful idiot? What if Lenin or Stalin bestowed a "Democratic Socialist Order of Useful Idiots" upon you? That's like being knighted, you don't turn that down, lest you be purged.
I don't call you a useful idiot for disagreeing with me, I call you one with the deepest respect for your political religion.
Oh, and smooth passive-aggression there, sidestepping points you can't answer, particularly points that show you're either a liar or ignorant.
@kamanu47 The Democrats used the nuclear option for the reconciliation process.
Yes, they are two separate things, but the Democrats didn't use just reconciliation, as pure reconciliation can only be used on budget bills. The Dems used the nuclear option to reinterpret the reconciliation rule, and even violated the Byrd rule. Insurance reform didn't pass the House with a 2/3 majority.
Signing a bill into law doesn't make it constitutional. If you don't understand that, don't vote anymore.
@aeuiono sorry, they they did not change the rules. If you recall both houses had already passed their respective bills by a 2/3rd majority. The congressional Parliamentarian allowed for reconciliation rule to deal with the fixes to the Senate bill which under rules allowed for budgetary fixes (CBO recommended) and did not affect Social Security. If you had watched the debate, GOP members did not argue process rather they challenged substance. It was all w/in the rules.
@aeuiono At least this law (entitlements as you call it) is paid for unlike the GOP tax cuts (2 - wealthy citizens entitlements), wars (2-defense contractor entitlements), and Modernization of Medicare (drug company entitlement). 180 days from now many of the popular parts will be implemented and will be hard for congress of any stripe to repeal. I will give you this, it will take courage for future congresses to not continue to kick the financial can down the road.
I don't understand why all you sneaky politicians can't just work together to make a good bill you spend more time arguing with each other then you do working together to make it work for everyone.
I'm from Jordan's district. I supported the health care reform bill, and I think his reaction to it is disgraceful. Jim Jordan enjoys government-run health care for himself and his family. That's hypocritical. He says we can't trust government officials - HE IS a government official! Is he saying we can't trust him? Look at everything in our country that's made better/safer through govt. regulation: electricity, water, public airwaves, gas prices, food, medicine, roads, and on and on.
When President Obama struck a deal with pro-life Democrats and agreed to sign an Executive Order on the abortion funding issue, this did nothing to fix the fatally-flawed legislation that was approved. An Executive Order does not trump law. The legislation approved - the legislation that will be signed into law - does fund abortion. And that is what will ultimately be what controls health care - not the Executive Order.
it's funny how some of you open your mouth and have no idea what you are talking about, seriously people don't listen to everything you watch, hear on t.v or from people, grow up and look for the facts yourself... I'm only in 11th grade and i feel like I'm way more mature than most of you adults here.
Health Insurances companies stopped treating people honestly about 10 years ago. They will violate their own policies rather than payout for catastrophic care, knowing that many are likely to die during the appeal process. It doesn't do you any good to win the appeal when you have been denied critical care for months/years. Their lobby was strong enough to keep Single Payer out of play, so everyone relax...the status quo hasn't moved much for the vast majority.
You have no clue to what you just said. The Insurance industry is the most heavily regulated industry in the US. Every State has the own commission of Insurance. If a Insurance company violates state or federal law they can be put out of business immediately.
I can understand not liking this bill or being politically opposed to it. but the Republicans and many people in opposition are acting like the world is going to end.
this piece of legislation is reasonable within a framework of responsible government. i'm not sure if i support or oppose it yet because i'm still researching it.
but the sky is going to fall approach is really an insult to my intelligence. while on the flip side the support without knowledge equally seems dumb
i understand the unconstitutional argument, if you are referring to the governments power to mandate individuals buy private insurance when they don't want to. i get that, totally. i agree with that actually.
but those obviously aren't the "end of the world" arguments I was referring to. i was referring to the "death panels", "Obama is a Marxist", the government is in your closet, etc etc.
The end of the world bullshit is insulting. I want facts, and principles, not sensationalism.
Obama is certainly not a Marxist. He just likes to employ them, like Jim Wallis, Anita Dunn, and Van Jones. Oh, and he taught Alinsky's "power analysis".
As for "death panels", you're right, there's no death panels, just a "Comparative Effectiveness Center" which will "conduct research" into the "appropriateness of health services" in regards to "economics" (page 1557).
A.K.A., a panel rationing everyone's care, deciding who-gets-what meds, if any, & choosing who lives or not.
healthcare, like any other service that has ever existed, is always going to be rationed in some way by someone. i don't see the benefit of letting private insurance versus political bureaucracy making the decision. neither seem a hundred percent ideal, either system could work or fail. it all depends. with the U.S. government, as a citizen, you get to control it collectively. with private you control by who you buy.
so i don't get the point of getting all hyped. just two systems.
The choice isn't between private insurance versus government bureaucracy.
The choice is between you knowing how to spend your own money, and the government confiscating your money and spending it for you on things you don't necessarily want.
It is sick that a 900lb smoker is going to have the same care as someone who runs a half-mile every day.
Why doesn't everyone just start smoking crack? We can all be Democrats!
again, it's two different systems. the United States, as well as every other advanced post-industrial nation on the globe run large partial socialist systems. Nationalized military, schools, firefighters, education and for everyone but the US healthcare.
Stop hyping like this is insane. It's not. It's quite normal all over the world.
There's a cost-benefit analysis to do and almost NOTHING MORE.
No i haven't read the whole bill. I don't know anyone who has. That's why I'm not for or against it at the moment. No one even argues on what is in or not in the bill, THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT. The CBO projects that in 2020 our debt will be 90% of GDP. I'll take your word for it. But the CBO also made a preliminary projection that this bill would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the next 10 years.
Fuck the Al Sharpton quote, that's nonsense. Talk numbers, facts not emotion.
@Desarollo The CBO projection of a deficit cut was only under fanagled circumstances.
The CBO can only project based on what Congress gives it. The CBO didn't factor in the doc fix.
They were then asked what would happen when all parts of the legislation were factored in, and the CBO projected it would "add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010-2019 period."
Furthermore, the CBO said that Obamacare will result in at least $109 billion in new deficit spending over the next 10 years.
@Desarollo So on the one hand, Obama isn't a socialist. But on the other, everyone is a socialist, so it's cool.
It is so racist for the left to compare our socialization to Europe. What do we have in common with Europe besides a bunch of white people?
The better comparison is to Central and South America. We can see how great socialism is working to our south. Castro and Chavez admire the steps Obama is taking. Once our AAA status is revoked, we'll be a full-fledged banana republic.
@Desarollo Of course you want to silence dissent.
We have more in common with western hemisphere nations, as we were colonized, don't have a landed gentry, and don't have a monarchic history. When it comes to Germany, they're what, 20 years old?
You don't want to address the figures and facts about the CBO projections.
You, Amy Bishop, Bruce Ivins, Joe Stack, John Bedell, Norman Leboon, and your ilk think the exact same way. Moronic hate-filled leftists at the altar of totalitarianism.
oh come on man. continue your little one sided crusade. i heard the EXACT SAME WORD FOR WORD arguments from the left during Bush's reign. it's idiocy.
I actually take your citation of CBO projections, although I haven't verified them yet, to actually be a SIGNIFICANT and relevant piece of information.
But comparing the US to Cuba, etc, or your painting someone with wide brushes like Amy Bishop, WHAT?... that shit is just moronic.
What hate-filled leftist?!? I'm libertarian, moron.
Now you claim you're a libertarian? That's rich! Just a few comments before you were saying that socialist health insurance systems are a good thing.
So you're a libertarian who's open to the idea of socialism? What's next, an obese marathon runner?
How do you reconcile your supposed libertarian principles with statements legitimizing socialism, or saying that there's no benefit in having private companies ration care instead of government bureaucracy?
I don't know. Seems like health care is a good idea to me. I don't want to die because an insurance company doesn't want to take me because of a pre-existing condition. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're wrong. Honestly America is just super paranoid.
Stupidest argument ever: "tax payer dollars to be used to take the lives of unborn children"
That is why only 10% of Americans actually know what is in the bill. People like this guy, who just repeat manipulative and skewed statements like that.
Collectively, the republicans just sat and bitched. they offered no alternative besides 'kill reform." Maybe instead of sitting on your asses, you could be productive in addressing the health care issue in America. You can't honestly believe that its fine the way it is. I have coverage through my employer but these prices are starting to get out of hand. A 90% increase in premiums by 2020 while health care companies see 400% increases in profits?
dumbass. DO you know how much money we send to other countries for aid? trillions of dollars. THat is more than any other country so shut your fckin mouth
You Republican politicians have really shown your true colors, if you didn't like it, suggest something else! There is a problem, it needs to be fixed. If you don't like the way the Democrats are fixing it, propose another way you think will work better! Thats the way its supposed to work! So we get the best possible! Stop acting like children, sitting cross legged, eyes closed, fingers in your ears and wailing.
No. It's a happy day. Now my grandma can afford to pay for her skin cancer treatments and has a much better chance of continuing to live her life. This bill will allow her to live longer and be stronger and happier. I think when you say that Americans do not want this bill passed, you are forgetting the millions like my grandma.
Nahhh man, we can't do that! We need our money! "I don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, I earned my money. They will probably just live in poverty, getting all these free service being able to stay unemployed." An actual argument...used...in America...I don't need to say more ;) You now know where are values are. Up our Fucking Asses. Proud to Be an American, Were I suck my own fucking dick.
@Patriot5280 actually there are plenty of republicans who were not fighting to repeal Medicaid but fought to stop the health care bill. I suppose it depends on if you view my comment as meaning all republicans. I could have been more specific.
I like how they say most Americans, is if they are speaking for all the Un-insured, all the jobless, all the people that won't become bankrupt from Insurence companies, all the people that work constantly to get out of a situation Republicans call "Free living" (because they can just cheat the system and stay unemployed) that involves them living off the streets and in massive rooms consisting of hundreds of people. Fuck Rebublican Jim Jordan, Fuck you from the bottom of my heart.
I thought Obama made it clear that abortions will still be illegal. No Federal funds will be used for abortions. That was the only way he could get this bill to pass. Is this video making fun of the Republican?
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From now on I will be asking my socialist neighbors to pay my dental bills. It's easy to play with other peoples money. Let's see if they can actually put their money where their mouth is! I suggest you all in Congress send all your unpaid medical bills to Nancy.
@BlueSkies360 Paying your doctor bills with other people's money is called "health insurance". Are you against ALL health insurance? And by the way, members of congress already send their medical bills to the government.
You dependant? Do you got to librarys (Somehow I doubt you have seen a book, let alone a work of fiction that is highlighted by universities.), Do you use Medicade? Do you use Car Insurence (of course you do), Do you Call the police? the Fire department? The Mail service (well you don't CALL them, but do you get your mail through capitalism? Carrier Pigeon?), Or better yet, Do you even have a family to care for? Pardon my Emotional wordplay, I wouldn't want to be mistaken as a TeaBagger.
wow, dumbest thing ever written. Why don't you go and play with your little action figures little boy and not worry about politics until you're a little older
@JoshFaille No he is not and he will never be. He is your president and I hope you are proud of the communist bastard. Soon Obama and the democRATs control every aspect of your life.
That is a Canadian/European way of thinking not American. American Politics has the mentality of "my way or the highway".
Besides I don't want the US to have a healthcare system that is more like Canada. Douglas was rated the greatest Canadian ever for us because he brought national healthcare, a cornerstone in our Canadian identity..the US can't copy us now...
Keep the US old system..even if it doesn't cover 10%, costs double ours per capita, and has a lower life expectancy.
nahhh man, Cuba has a higher life expectancy then us ;) That should be your talking point. That should slap people in the face more then it actually does.
Actually the Cuban system makes Canada look pathetic. Ya they have a slightly lower life expectancy than Canada but they pay like 1/10 what we pa per capita for it..
"Take over 1/6th of economy" is a talking point lie...
"The Exchange" is owned, operated, & controlled by INSURANCE COMPANIES. You just don't want to help the 40 million uninsured find help. "Kill the bill" isn't a solution, it's a tactic to achieve NO REFORM. You make me sad sir...
@TeeBeeBad63. Really? I got my numbers from the CBO, a non-partisan body in charge of looking at the financial viability of a program. Where did you get yours?
Politicians like you make me sick. If you didnt like the bill, maybe you should have come up with some BETTER options instead of stonewalling and crossing your arms while opening your pockets to insurance company bribes.
Now you're working to repeal the bill? Are you also going to work to repeal Medicaid?
The Republicans did but they were shut out, literally. The interstate commerce aspect was excellent and so was tort reform, but NO, Democrats wouldn't have it so now they own this bill and will pay this November.
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Thank you for fighting this abomination of a health care bill, you are my representative, you have the same views I do and are truly representing me and many others in your district- I will continue to vote for you, thanks so much!
I don't think anyone likes the idea of being told you have to have anything. We are not little 5 yr olds.
t45887 1 year ago
This guy is a Moron. Lets Vote all Republicans out and allow the will of the people. The day of Voting you out is coming. Siding with Big Business and Ruining this country by selling Our Freedom to Corporate corruption.
jxford 1 year ago
Im waiting on him to put on his white coat and hood, (KKK)
kbwill41 1 year ago
oh my god my world is lost, our beloved country that we stole and forced other to built is lost. What are we going to do now that the old money that we inherited and did nothing to earn will now be taxes(dare i say it) farely!!!!!! all is lost! all is lost!!!
MrKingj2010 1 year ago
The fact that you spelled "fairly" "farely" proves that you don't deserve to receive my tax money.
CalebJBragg 1 year ago
Lets get something straight, this is NOT government take over, it is oversight that allows for all Americans to afford health care. 1976 Hyde Amendment remains; so no public funded abortions.
Remember repeal would mean a 2/3rd vote in both houses of congress, not likely to happen. It would require a 26 seat change in the Senate and nearly 130 seat change in the house. This has never happened. By 2012, the wind in the sails for the GOP will be gone from this issue.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47
Why would repeal mean a 2/3rd vote in both houses of Congress?
It didn't get a 2/3rds vote when it was passed.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono 2/3rd would be required to be veto proof. Otherwise they (a new congress) would have to wait until 2013 for either a change in the WH or pick up more seats. Most GOP members are being very disingenuous running on this platform in order to raise money. Even then by 2013, some of the more popular items in the bill will be harder to remove.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47
I'm sorry, I don't understand where you are getting this from?
Where does it say a 2/3rd majority is needed to override a veto? Is it written down somewhere, on something authoritative?
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono Article one of the constitution Section 7 clause 3: "...shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives..."
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 The Constitution? That thing that says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"?
That thing?
The GOP will run on a platform that when they take Congress, they'll block the funding, exactly what the American people want, bc we can't afford new entitlements.
As for halting executive enforcement, that's what the lawsuits and Constitutional Convention are for.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono However the law of Health Care Reform will be delegated to the US. Your argument is weak. The 10th amendment is not what you think it is and unfortunately as my original stance goes, it is disingenuous for GOP candidates and incumbents to raise money for something they know they will not likely have a chance of doing this coming midterm. If they tried to block funding it would stop Medicare altogether. You might cheer that, but many seniors would not.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47
You're hilarious! The Tenth Amendment isn't what I think it is? So you can read my mind, and you're an expert on the Constitution? Would you mind telling me what the Tenth Amedment REALLY means? LOL, you.
While you're at it, help me out with the Ninth: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Repealing Obamacare would also mean repealing its Medicare cuts. Besides, seniors know we're broke.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono Yes I do understand the constitution. Let me explain. While both amendments speak of state sovereign issues they do so in a way that does not supersede the US constitution. The 9th recognizes that there are rights that were simply not mentioned (previous amendments) these unenumerated rights are no less important than enumerated ones. 10th: limited to those granted in the Constitution and thus states may exercise its authority even in areas where the federal government may not.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 So explain how forcing people to buy health insurance doesn't deny or disparage the right to not buy health insurance as covered in the Ninth.
And how the federal government can pass legislation to give themselves and the IRS authority in health insurance, which is nowhere to be found in the enumerated powers of Article 1, Section 8, and thus a violation of the Tenth Amendment.
Also, isn't Congress's own exemption from the exchange a violation of Article 4, Section 2?
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono Again, rights cannot supersede constitutional rights. In passing the Health Bill into law, it makes Health Care a right. As with your right to security within the US borders there is a cost. So if you think you are being denied your rights NOT to buy insurance then you must be an advocate for Federal government to pay your way. The 16th amendment provides power to the IRS. Very few people will be in the Health Care exchanges, most will get it through their employer
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 Ever heard of something called "judicial review"?
Just because Congress passes legislation and the President signs it, it doesn't make it part of the Constitution.
The passage of the bill via nuclear option even violated Congress's own rules. It didn't get a two-thirds majority in both houses
We have the 2nd amendment right to arms, does that mean the government should force us all to buy a gun?
We have the right to remain silent, does that mean the IRS can fine us for talking?
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono you are right it is not part of the constitution, however when bills are signed into law, they become constitutional. The Health Care bill was NOT passed via the "Nuclear Option" which would require changing the senate and house rules, they used a rule called reconciliation. Given that both bill were previously passed with a 2/3rd majority, the fixes deemed necessary by the CBO, only required a simple majority based on the rules. Read the 2nd and 5th amendment, you are way off base.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@aeuiono The Health Care reform is law, it is constitutional without making any changes to the constitution. It is not a big game changer in our country other than now you have access to affordable health care and health care providers are now guaranteed payment for services. More importantly it allows beneficial entitlement programs like Medicare to be viable up to at least 2050.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 I suggest you stop voting until you educate yourself better.
Just because a law is passed and signed doesn't make it constitutional. You've probably never heard of US v. Butler, in which the SCOTUS ruled that the Agricultural Adjustment Act violated the Tenth Amendment for invading the rights of the states and going beyond the enumerated powers, but this case will be relevant when the Court rules insurance reform unconstitutional as well.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono I will continue to vote... and yes the law is constitutional, I am informed enough to know that much. I may not be familiar with every High Court case, so until the court rules otherwise, Health Care reform is the law, however aspects of it will be phased in over time. I would suggest if you want it challenged, start your court proceedings now, it may take some time but you have that as a constitutional right.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 You wrote, "when bills are signed into law, they become constitutional."
This is patently false.
You represent the dumbing-down of the American voter. This is why you're a left-winger and you support the takeover of the insurance industry.
Heck, the fact that you call it "health care" reform also smacks of ignorance. Care isn't insurance, useful idiot.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono I did not mind the respectful discourse (has been up to now), but when you start down the road of name calling because I don't agree with you position then I can no longer continue the conversation. It is obvious you have run out of ideas and thoughts and re-hasihg the same rhetoric only now with slander (idiot reference). It is obvious that your parents did not teach any manners.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 You don't take pride in being a useful idiot? What if Lenin or Stalin bestowed a "Democratic Socialist Order of Useful Idiots" upon you? That's like being knighted, you don't turn that down, lest you be purged.
I don't call you a useful idiot for disagreeing with me, I call you one with the deepest respect for your political religion.
Oh, and smooth passive-aggression there, sidestepping points you can't answer, particularly points that show you're either a liar or ignorant.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@kamanu47 The Democrats used the nuclear option for the reconciliation process.
Yes, they are two separate things, but the Democrats didn't use just reconciliation, as pure reconciliation can only be used on budget bills. The Dems used the nuclear option to reinterpret the reconciliation rule, and even violated the Byrd rule. Insurance reform didn't pass the House with a 2/3 majority.
Signing a bill into law doesn't make it constitutional. If you don't understand that, don't vote anymore.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@aeuiono sorry, they they did not change the rules. If you recall both houses had already passed their respective bills by a 2/3rd majority. The congressional Parliamentarian allowed for reconciliation rule to deal with the fixes to the Senate bill which under rules allowed for budgetary fixes (CBO recommended) and did not affect Social Security. If you had watched the debate, GOP members did not argue process rather they challenged substance. It was all w/in the rules.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@aeuiono At least this law (entitlements as you call it) is paid for unlike the GOP tax cuts (2 - wealthy citizens entitlements), wars (2-defense contractor entitlements), and Modernization of Medicare (drug company entitlement). 180 days from now many of the popular parts will be implemented and will be hard for congress of any stripe to repeal. I will give you this, it will take courage for future congresses to not continue to kick the financial can down the road.
kamanu47 1 year ago
Government ran health care for a heart attack, that an aspirin and water a doctor will see you in 5 days...
fox23vang 1 year ago
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thecruiseliner 1 year ago
So many intentionally misleading statistics and misnomers said in one short video. You should be ashamed of yourself, to say you represent anyone.
beaverman3001 1 year ago
I don't understand why all you sneaky politicians can't just work together to make a good bill you spend more time arguing with each other then you do working together to make it work for everyone.
Pareh07 1 year ago
a sad day in American history
sbambic 1 year ago
WRONG
thevirtueallliberal 1 year ago
You lie!!!!
mrjonnewman 1 year ago
Yuck. Screw you.
meheh 1 year ago
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fuckaroni77 1 year ago
I'm from Jordan's district. I supported the health care reform bill, and I think his reaction to it is disgraceful. Jim Jordan enjoys government-run health care for himself and his family. That's hypocritical. He says we can't trust government officials - HE IS a government official! Is he saying we can't trust him? Look at everything in our country that's made better/safer through govt. regulation: electricity, water, public airwaves, gas prices, food, medicine, roads, and on and on.
mkultra1982 1 year ago
Elect a nigger and this what happens....
mettdude 1 year ago
fuck free healthcare, everyone should pay for their own shit! its not my fucking fault that other people cant get a decent job.
RaIphLauren 1 year ago
@RaIphLauren why would you say it's 'free' healthcare when everyone is mandated to buy it? That doesn't make sense to me.
itsranton 1 year ago
fuck obama
justinxaz 1 year ago
Id fuck you if you weren't so fat, fatty.
kthankxbye 1 year ago
I'd tap that.
kthankxbye 1 year ago
When President Obama struck a deal with pro-life Democrats and agreed to sign an Executive Order on the abortion funding issue, this did nothing to fix the fatally-flawed legislation that was approved. An Executive Order does not trump law. The legislation approved - the legislation that will be signed into law - does fund abortion. And that is what will ultimately be what controls health care - not the Executive Order.
dkkght46 1 year ago
it's funny how some of you open your mouth and have no idea what you are talking about, seriously people don't listen to everything you watch, hear on t.v or from people, grow up and look for the facts yourself... I'm only in 11th grade and i feel like I'm way more mature than most of you adults here.
dorkie0me 1 year ago 2
@dorkie0me i used to feel that way when i was ur age too haha
ImChrisJericho 1 year ago
Health Insurances companies stopped treating people honestly about 10 years ago. They will violate their own policies rather than payout for catastrophic care, knowing that many are likely to die during the appeal process. It doesn't do you any good to win the appeal when you have been denied critical care for months/years. Their lobby was strong enough to keep Single Payer out of play, so everyone relax...the status quo hasn't moved much for the vast majority.
cullen818 1 year ago
You have no clue to what you just said. The Insurance industry is the most heavily regulated industry in the US. Every State has the own commission of Insurance. If a Insurance company violates state or federal law they can be put out of business immediately.
Trenaway 1 year ago
I can understand not liking this bill or being politically opposed to it. but the Republicans and many people in opposition are acting like the world is going to end.
this piece of legislation is reasonable within a framework of responsible government. i'm not sure if i support or oppose it yet because i'm still researching it.
but the sky is going to fall approach is really an insult to my intelligence. while on the flip side the support without knowledge equally seems dumb
Desarollo 1 year ago
The world may not "end" but the United States will........
TeeBeeBad63 1 year ago
No you are wrong. We do not feel the world ended, but our government violated its oath to uphold the Constitution of the US.
Trenaway 1 year ago
i understand the unconstitutional argument, if you are referring to the governments power to mandate individuals buy private insurance when they don't want to. i get that, totally. i agree with that actually.
but those obviously aren't the "end of the world" arguments I was referring to. i was referring to the "death panels", "Obama is a Marxist", the government is in your closet, etc etc.
The end of the world bullshit is insulting. I want facts, and principles, not sensationalism.
Desarollo 1 year ago
@Desarollo
Obama is certainly not a Marxist. He just likes to employ them, like Jim Wallis, Anita Dunn, and Van Jones. Oh, and he taught Alinsky's "power analysis".
As for "death panels", you're right, there's no death panels, just a "Comparative Effectiveness Center" which will "conduct research" into the "appropriateness of health services" in regards to "economics" (page 1557).
A.K.A., a panel rationing everyone's care, deciding who-gets-what meds, if any, & choosing who lives or not.
aeuiono 1 year ago
healthcare, like any other service that has ever existed, is always going to be rationed in some way by someone. i don't see the benefit of letting private insurance versus political bureaucracy making the decision. neither seem a hundred percent ideal, either system could work or fail. it all depends. with the U.S. government, as a citizen, you get to control it collectively. with private you control by who you buy.
so i don't get the point of getting all hyped. just two systems.
Desarollo 1 year ago
@Desarollo
The choice isn't between private insurance versus government bureaucracy.
The choice is between you knowing how to spend your own money, and the government confiscating your money and spending it for you on things you don't necessarily want.
It is sick that a 900lb smoker is going to have the same care as someone who runs a half-mile every day.
Why doesn't everyone just start smoking crack? We can all be Democrats!
aeuiono 1 year ago
@Desarollo
"The American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when electing Obama."
-the Reverend Al Sharpton
And if you disagree with Al Sharpton, you're probably a racist teabagging Nazi homophobe.
aeuiono 1 year ago
that's a quote out of context but i digress.
again, it's two different systems. the United States, as well as every other advanced post-industrial nation on the globe run large partial socialist systems. Nationalized military, schools, firefighters, education and for everyone but the US healthcare.
Stop hyping like this is insane. It's not. It's quite normal all over the world.
There's a cost-benefit analysis to do and almost NOTHING MORE.
Your hype is insulting to my intelligence.
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@Desarollo Out of context? In no way does that quote distort Sharpton's meaning.
watch?v=mqojWrtnieI
Want me to type out everything Al has ever said? Put it in the context of his life? Sorry, only got 500 characters here.
Your argument is that since every other failing country is doing it, we should too? What are you, 12, even?
Yeah, cost-benefit analysis...have you read the bill? The CBO projects that in 2020 our debt will be 90% of GDP. That's Greece levels.
aeuiono 1 year ago
No i haven't read the whole bill. I don't know anyone who has. That's why I'm not for or against it at the moment. No one even argues on what is in or not in the bill, THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT. The CBO projects that in 2020 our debt will be 90% of GDP. I'll take your word for it. But the CBO also made a preliminary projection that this bill would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the next 10 years.
Fuck the Al Sharpton quote, that's nonsense. Talk numbers, facts not emotion.
Desarollo 1 year ago
@Desarollo The CBO projection of a deficit cut was only under fanagled circumstances.
The CBO can only project based on what Congress gives it. The CBO didn't factor in the doc fix.
They were then asked what would happen when all parts of the legislation were factored in, and the CBO projected it would "add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010-2019 period."
Furthermore, the CBO said that Obamacare will result in at least $109 billion in new deficit spending over the next 10 years.
aeuiono 1 year ago
@Desarollo So on the one hand, Obama isn't a socialist. But on the other, everyone is a socialist, so it's cool.
It is so racist for the left to compare our socialization to Europe. What do we have in common with Europe besides a bunch of white people?
The better comparison is to Central and South America. We can see how great socialism is working to our south. Castro and Chavez admire the steps Obama is taking. Once our AAA status is revoked, we'll be a full-fledged banana republic.
aeuiono 1 year ago
racist?!?
i can't argue with you if you think that the United States is better compared to Cuba or Venezuela then to Germany, France, Britain, Japan.
THAT'S THE MOST MORONIC UNJUSTIFIABLE STATEMENT I'VE EVER HEARD.
compare economies, services, telecommunications, housing, education, human development index, industries, financial institutions, etc, etc
THERE'S NO WAY YOU COMPARE the U.S. to Cuba or Venezuala before comparing it to Europe.
i'm not arguing with such idiocy. don't reply.
Desarollo 1 year ago
@Desarollo Of course you want to silence dissent.
We have more in common with western hemisphere nations, as we were colonized, don't have a landed gentry, and don't have a monarchic history. When it comes to Germany, they're what, 20 years old?
You don't want to address the figures and facts about the CBO projections.
You, Amy Bishop, Bruce Ivins, Joe Stack, John Bedell, Norman Leboon, and your ilk think the exact same way. Moronic hate-filled leftists at the altar of totalitarianism.
aeuiono 1 year ago
oh come on man. continue your little one sided crusade. i heard the EXACT SAME WORD FOR WORD arguments from the left during Bush's reign. it's idiocy.
I actually take your citation of CBO projections, although I haven't verified them yet, to actually be a SIGNIFICANT and relevant piece of information.
But comparing the US to Cuba, etc, or your painting someone with wide brushes like Amy Bishop, WHAT?... that shit is just moronic.
What hate-filled leftist?!? I'm libertarian, moron.
Desarollo 1 year ago
@Desarollo
Now you claim you're a libertarian? That's rich! Just a few comments before you were saying that socialist health insurance systems are a good thing.
So you're a libertarian who's open to the idea of socialism? What's next, an obese marathon runner?
How do you reconcile your supposed libertarian principles with statements legitimizing socialism, or saying that there's no benefit in having private companies ration care instead of government bureaucracy?
You can't, you liar.
aeuiono 1 year ago
Ya, I support the bill and you lie
birhan2006 1 year ago
I don't know. Seems like health care is a good idea to me. I don't want to die because an insurance company doesn't want to take me because of a pre-existing condition. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're wrong. Honestly America is just super paranoid.
carolinaide 1 year ago
I support the bill
Tvor1128 1 year ago
I agree with his position but is it just me or is he giving a gay vibe.
NewtonsStudent 1 year ago
obama doesnt see the american way of life like we do. he is a socialist born and breed do your research next time you vote.
matshadwhite 1 year ago
Jediswordfighter :
Uh, yeah I "got" to libraries all the time. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass and stopped sucking your dick you'd see what is wrong!!
TeeBeeBad63 1 year ago
Stupidest argument ever: "tax payer dollars to be used to take the lives of unborn children"
That is why only 10% of Americans actually know what is in the bill. People like this guy, who just repeat manipulative and skewed statements like that.
Republicans count on ignorant people.
Alannia 1 year ago
YAY FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM
TimesNuRoman 1 year ago
O no democrats did something good, lets cry about it. And Obama passed an exo to fix the abortion problem....
Where were the republicans at in limiting gov't and realizing sad day's when Bush was cramming the patriot act down our throat?
truchrishill 1 year ago
Collectively, the republicans just sat and bitched. they offered no alternative besides 'kill reform." Maybe instead of sitting on your asses, you could be productive in addressing the health care issue in America. You can't honestly believe that its fine the way it is. I have coverage through my employer but these prices are starting to get out of hand. A 90% increase in premiums by 2020 while health care companies see 400% increases in profits?
Yeah, that's a great system!!!!!
archbold1206 1 year ago
the wonderful facts from marriage go to crum (.) pl/i5u4
jarredricardo55 1 year ago
dumbass. DO you know how much money we send to other countries for aid? trillions of dollars. THat is more than any other country so shut your fckin mouth
Patriot5280 1 year ago
Government messes everything up. THey dont run anything well. Now they control healthcare. they get to choose who lives and who dies.
Patriot5280 1 year ago
You Republican politicians have really shown your true colors, if you didn't like it, suggest something else! There is a problem, it needs to be fixed. If you don't like the way the Democrats are fixing it, propose another way you think will work better! Thats the way its supposed to work! So we get the best possible! Stop acting like children, sitting cross legged, eyes closed, fingers in your ears and wailing.
Fredericks3214 1 year ago
Government is starting to control our lives one step at a time. We want freedom!
Patriot5280 1 year ago
No. It's a happy day. Now my grandma can afford to pay for her skin cancer treatments and has a much better chance of continuing to live her life. This bill will allow her to live longer and be stronger and happier. I think when you say that Americans do not want this bill passed, you are forgetting the millions like my grandma.
fuzzyrubberduck1 1 year ago
Nahhh man, we can't do that! We need our money! "I don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, I earned my money. They will probably just live in poverty, getting all these free service being able to stay unemployed." An actual argument...used...in America...I don't need to say more ;) You now know where are values are. Up our Fucking Asses. Proud to Be an American, Were I suck my own fucking dick.
God people are souless.
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago 3
Funny how before this bill was passed Republicans weren't fighting to repeal Medicaid.
BorisQuan 1 year ago
actually they were. dumbass
Patriot5280 1 year ago
@Patriot5280 actually there are plenty of republicans who were not fighting to repeal Medicaid but fought to stop the health care bill. I suppose it depends on if you view my comment as meaning all republicans. I could have been more specific.
BorisQuan 1 year ago
Oh Shut The F*** Up! Go cry in your mama arms ! BIG BABIES! Republicans Ha Ha Ha It Passed!!!!!! HA HA HA !!!!!
BEVPProductions 1 year ago
I like how they say most Americans, is if they are speaking for all the Un-insured, all the jobless, all the people that won't become bankrupt from Insurence companies, all the people that work constantly to get out of a situation Republicans call "Free living" (because they can just cheat the system and stay unemployed) that involves them living off the streets and in massive rooms consisting of hundreds of people. Fuck Rebublican Jim Jordan, Fuck you from the bottom of my heart.
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago
You suck. I bet you are closet gay like all rebuplicans
korpimies555 1 year ago
This is the best comment here.
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago
I thought Obama made it clear that abortions will still be illegal. No Federal funds will be used for abortions. That was the only way he could get this bill to pass. Is this video making fun of the Republican?
wolfwoodnyo 1 year ago
Hey Jim, why don't you get your head out of your ass and work to repeal the Patriot Act instead of the health care bill.
I'm thinking that may be a liiiiitttle more important for our Freedom.
Fuck you!
usethisspamname 1 year ago
I am laughing at these idiots who don't know what the bill actually is.
FutureWDI 1 year ago
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From now on I will be asking my socialist neighbors to pay my dental bills. It's easy to play with other peoples money. Let's see if they can actually put their money where their mouth is! I suggest you all in Congress send all your unpaid medical bills to Nancy.
BlueSkies360 1 year ago
@BlueSkies360 Paying your doctor bills with other people's money is called "health insurance". Are you against ALL health insurance? And by the way, members of congress already send their medical bills to the government.
mkultra1982 1 year ago
Happy "dependence" day, ASSHOLES!
TeeBeeBad63 1 year ago 2
You dependant? Do you got to librarys (Somehow I doubt you have seen a book, let alone a work of fiction that is highlighted by universities.), Do you use Medicade? Do you use Car Insurence (of course you do), Do you Call the police? the Fire department? The Mail service (well you don't CALL them, but do you get your mail through capitalism? Carrier Pigeon?), Or better yet, Do you even have a family to care for? Pardon my Emotional wordplay, I wouldn't want to be mistaken as a TeaBagger.
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago
I shall correct myself: libraries, Medicaid, and Insurance. Mispelled words in the post above. Again, don't want to seem like a Teabagger ;)
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago
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Obama wants this country broke so he can take it over. He is one step closer. Its time for a revolution.
micsc50 1 year ago
wow, dumbest thing ever written. Why don't you go and play with your little action figures little boy and not worry about politics until you're a little older
27Cratos 1 year ago
What scare me the most is not Obama but the brain dead minions like you that voted for him.
micsc50 1 year ago
So he can take over the country he's already a president of... what?
JoshFaille 1 year ago
@JoshFaille He is your president not mine. He wants to be our dictator and thats his plan.
micsc50 1 year ago
@micsc50 If you're American, he is clearly your president.
JoshFaille 1 year ago
@JoshFaille No he is not and he will never be. He is your president and I hope you are proud of the communist bastard. Soon Obama and the democRATs control every aspect of your life.
micsc50 1 year ago
lol, I love morons like you. Did not even read the bill and fellowing other morons and believing whatever they say
dakel7 1 year ago
It's passed. Instead of wasting effort to repeal the bill work on changing it for the better with amendments.
Beeht 1 year ago 17
@Beeht
That is a Canadian/European way of thinking not American. American Politics has the mentality of "my way or the highway".
Besides I don't want the US to have a healthcare system that is more like Canada. Douglas was rated the greatest Canadian ever for us because he brought national healthcare, a cornerstone in our Canadian identity..the US can't copy us now...
Keep the US old system..even if it doesn't cover 10%, costs double ours per capita, and has a lower life expectancy.
FearOfTheFlesh 1 year ago
nahhh man, Cuba has a higher life expectancy then us ;) That should be your talking point. That should slap people in the face more then it actually does.
Jediswordfighter 1 year ago
good point :P
Actually the Cuban system makes Canada look pathetic. Ya they have a slightly lower life expectancy than Canada but they pay like 1/10 what we pa per capita for it..
FearOfTheFlesh 1 year ago
"Take over 1/6th of economy" is a talking point lie...
"The Exchange" is owned, operated, & controlled by INSURANCE COMPANIES. You just don't want to help the 40 million uninsured find help. "Kill the bill" isn't a solution, it's a tactic to achieve NO REFORM. You make me sad sir...
Bolgernow 1 year ago 8
it's 12 million, idiot! and most of them don't want it!
TeeBeeBad63 1 year ago
@TeeBeeBad63. Really? I got my numbers from the CBO, a non-partisan body in charge of looking at the financial viability of a program. Where did you get yours?
Bolgernow 1 year ago
Why wouldn't they want it?
Fredericks3214 1 year ago
@TeeBeeBad63
Well 64.6 million people voted otherwise in November. Most of them wanted either single payer or a Government option. Be happy with what you got.
SaggyBallsMcCain 1 year ago
Fuck you, ignorant fuck.....
TeeBeeBad63 1 year ago
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requoted for truth
thedudeman69 1 year ago
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Keep fighting! Americans dont need healthcare we have stars and stripes! resist! resist! resist! squash this bill its not too late.
medialies100 1 year ago
@medialies100 Ignorant fuck, people die everyday because they cant afford healthcare........go fuck yourself.
llama3aterr 1 year ago
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yeah, those are the ones that choose to STAY ON WELFARE AND NOT GET A JOB.
thedudeman69 1 year ago
Politicians like you make me sick. If you didnt like the bill, maybe you should have come up with some BETTER options instead of stonewalling and crossing your arms while opening your pockets to insurance company bribes.
Now you're working to repeal the bill? Are you also going to work to repeal Medicaid?
itsranton 1 year ago 24
The Republicans did but they were shut out, literally. The interstate commerce aspect was excellent and so was tort reform, but NO, Democrats wouldn't have it so now they own this bill and will pay this November.
annjohn1962 1 year ago
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Thank you for fighting this abomination of a health care bill, you are my representative, you have the same views I do and are truly representing me and many others in your district- I will continue to vote for you, thanks so much!
saladgyrl 1 year ago
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Repeal Indeed..!!
USoSilly2Me 1 year ago
Sad day indeed.
reevaluate2008 1 year ago