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  • I have no desire to offend anyone of faith, but I think science has some more compelling explanation than a Divine Creator. - Stephen Hawking

  • AHAAHHHAHAHA So those people just stand there and let him say 5+5=22 and 2+2=45?? Everything that guy says makes those people more stupid!

  • @rationalresponder Thank the guy that wanted to start fight. I thought god taught you good morals and since your the one who believes in his way the most why are you going to thank a person who handled it poorly. You backed down from your toughest competition that's all I see. Sure he got up in your face. But, why didn't you step back. Is that your claimed land? Last question have you read into every religion fully in the world? how do you know Christianity is right. Lastly don't judge! 

  • Dude this is False teachings of a man made image o Yoshua just keep adding on to The Mans work from 2000+ yrs ago this guy is making all this up none of this is the Gospels word what a Fruitcake. Logic is The Sumerian Records that inspired the Torah and the Dead Sea Scrolls That revealed that the Essenians were the true Christians that practiced the way of their fallen Leader Yoshua whom was Crucified much longer than 2012 yrs ago and now Rockefeller and the Israels own the Scrolls

  • lol that guy in the bike just wanted attention for the day lol

  • Even though I don't share this preacher's beliefs, I must applaud how he dealt with the man in the blue shirt. That's the teachings of Christ at their finest.

  • lololol he said let reason guide us to where we're going. coming from him, he must be joking

  • Trees, branches, fruits, seeds all have to do with BIOLOGY/GENEALOGY. Family Trees and their branches, along with SEMEN or seeds are the physical offspring one has. Race mixing is destroying Gods creations. His KINDS. Man should NOT create new creations, knowledge of good and evil....The Bible is a Biology book turned fantasy for the idiots. Kings and Queen sure knew the Bible Story and the importance of protecting RACE/GENEALOGY or else the Nation would be destroyed. Dupes are funny.

  • correct fools publically and you will only get scorned...

  • @bammc19 this is bold baby

  • This guy just owns everyone.

  • Good job :D

  • This preacher is at least doing something, he's out there preaching - much better than the nominal Christians (catholics, protestants, evangelicals, pentecostals) who go every Sunday to the "Church building"and sit still singing how they just wan to do something for Jesus.

    However, it is written: "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts."

    Therefore, it is not the preacher's method, reason, or whatever...

  • who is that bitch with the chew stepping in??? this is an open debate you fucking douche bag.

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  • WE ARE READY TO CALL THE POLICE!!! why not call god or his angels. its funny to hear silly christians preach Jesus-yet jesus preached to turn the other cheek?... my question is... if this man who is offended (which i dont blame him)would have hit the preacher why was the preachers crew ready to shout police- rather he should of shouted "turn the other cheek"- ive said it once i'll say it again... there is no room for Jewish law,god, and preaching in America. youll look like hypocrites in the end

  • This guy has some talent as an open air preacher. He got in trouble with "might be too difficult for you to understand." We all make mistakes. You can never talk down to a person. Keep at it! I think he did a phenomenal job!

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  • Satan is really using that guy... i enjoyed this good job brother

  • This an example of 1. A brainwashed man or 2. A man who knows there is no god but attempting to do the brainwashing

  • A book being rewritten by different authors doesn't prove the Bible is true..

  • This is a debate is only the loosest sense. Each side quite often is not giving the other a chance to respond.  And logic and reason seem to be given short shrift. There will always be believers and those who don't believe...so it's an endless "debate".

  • wheres the debate? i just see this guy talking over people. and not letting people say what they want.

  • I don't think this could be called debate cause you weren't really arguing against a singular point and you also didn't allow anyone to speak.

  • teamed up to fight the atheist.christ like.

  • "let me gather myself...." ....man, have I been there

  • OMFG Justice is the absence of mercy, yo this dude is retarded, big as contradiction

  • God bless this guy...you really inspire me!!

    i there is no way i could have just sat there with the guy getting in my face pointing at me and yelling...

  • Trust your own ideas over a 2000 year old book written by cattle sacrificing primitives who were so called "guided by the holy spirit".

  • GOD Bless You'' the good hearted people will protect you they are God Fearing. Save the Youth from the Deciet of the unbelievers. Lord's angels will celebrate if theres a soul being snatch out from the hands of the wicked. God Bless to All.

  • @AngelofLoveOne

    Deciet of the unbelievers? We are decietful because we are open minded people who looks at evidence and factual informationa about our world instead of believing in a fairytale?? Nice reasoning idiot.

  • @plummer89 Actually your Mind is Closed. as if not. you Understand the Man. you Open your Mind only to atheism.

  • @plummer89 which one is the greater you or your plumming tool?

  • @AngelofLoveOne Nice argument, very comprehensive and I would certaintly read again. Thanks for you wonderful insight.

    By the way, it's spelt "plumbing", but you don't seem very educated to I'll let it slip..

  • @plummer89 > by the way , how can you do plumbing without a tool?

  • @AngelofLoveOne Don't know, im not a plumber so i wouldnt know, clearly my username says plummer..

    Once again, realy nice cohesive argument pointing out the substantial evidence for ANY relgion.

  • @plummer89 > hahaha...lol so your a Plum is that the fruit Plums Ok'' is it hand picked Today or they a use a Tool? a Machinery?

  • intimidation tactics are ok by jesus?

  • @ostynd Everything is ok by jesus - hell they would be burning people at the stake tomorrow if they could get away with it.

  • The best that can come from street preaching is "baby christians" (which are people who accept Jesus but have no knowledge or understanding of what it truly is to be a Christian. Therefore these "BC's" will go around the world not knowing what they are doing. Terribly awful prospect.

  • this religious guy kept on yapping. he should let the atheist speak and answer his inquiry, if he pretty sure that god exist then he got no problem to let the atheist speak. and its not that atheist guy have nothing to say but they cant when the dude kept on yapping inquisitively. speak slowly and we atheist will answer your inquiry. even i have trouble listen to wat he said that i havent rewind couple time..

  • Haha! @ 3:30 the guy gets super spooked by a 18 year old chewing on tobacco. What he fails to realize is that Chad is a Navy Seal!

    The best part is Chad is preaching on the outside not reflecting the inside. Perfect words for a perfect occasion

  • The one universal is that the Gospel will always offend the self righteous.

  • Is this in Los Angeles ? Santa Monica Pier ??

  • Every time you criticize an atheist think of this. You are one step away from being an atheist. There have been more than 3000 religions and gods throughout history. You disregard all of them but 1. We disregard yours too. If you can so easily disregard religions that happened BEFORE yours was even an idea, why can't you disregard yours?

  • @moneyismagic101

    Sounds like Dawkins' statement, "Some of us just go one god further."

    "That's like saying that there's no real difference between celibacy and marriage; it's just one relationship less." - John Lennox

  • @BassP86 No, its different. When your celibate you choose not to be in a relationship or to have sex or what have you. When your married.. Your married. You''ve broken your celebesy. When your a theist you start "married" and an atheist is celebate. Regardless.. Comparing atheism and marriages is irrelevant. And a terrible comparison.

  • what utter utter utter cr*p.

  • God bless you! It's time people started reasoning and thinking and talking about the lives they have chosen to live. May GOD continue to strengthen and protect you.

    The foul mouthed comments below reveal the lost souls roaming the internet and the world. You guys are an inspiration - be strong !

  • @elrenaud888 Don't talk about reason. There is no reason to believe what the Bible said is true.

  • basically after receving christ by never giving up seeking:by prayer and bible reading than,your true self(conscience) of freewill displays what GOD already knows is gonna happen- your seeking him out of your own free will.so GOD will give you the gift of the holy spirit for your perseverence after a conviction of sin in your heart.the holy spirit will guide you and talk through u in belief as u witness to the world about christ and a need for the lost to recieve christ unto there selves.

  • "this might be too complicated for you to understand"....dude...seriousl­y? Calling someone stupid and then laughing about it? Is that what being a Christian is about?

  • @hivelocity100 As a former christian myself... yes, it is.

  • That's a dipshit move. Insult the guy's intelligence, so he's gonna look like a bitch if he doesn't do anything, and he looks like a total asshole if he does do something.

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  • @elrenaud888 wow, i lold when i read your comment.. you have a vagina where your mouth should be, maybe if you pray to "cloud god" he will fuck it with his dick untill his magical seamen cures your retardation and blindness.

  • @RockLIFE001 Here is a perfect example of a sad and miserable person.  Someone who cannot spell or write a coherent sentence. Someone whose idea of a complete and loving relationship with a woman is merely "f..ing." Yes, I do pray to God. But God is not a pathetic little boy trying to get sexual satisfaction by fornicating. God is love and once you have received true love - sexual perversion will never satisfy. That's a secret that satan never tells you. God satisfies the needs of mankind.

  • @elrenaud888 someone (im not going to point fingers) is cranky, sorry i offended your boyfriend.. the funny thing is, is that you didnt even respond to my comment, thus proving your retardation. Also you mention i can not spell or write a coherent sentence, proving your blindness. no wonder you believe what the bible preaches, you have trouble reading, and seeing.. therefor must also be suffering from seamen overdose.. eww

  • Why listen to a moron who keeps preaching a god that can't be proven...there's no evidence. Just a lot of hot air.

  • Ravi Zacharias much? I know you are doing a good thing. I was an atheist for 30 years. I followed anthony flew writings before. I thought I knew, then I was humbled.

  • @archangelcats Amen,We who believe have all been humbled,God Bless.

  • @CBALLEN yes, you have all been homosexual.. im glad your finally realizing your mistakes.. "god" is an erection in your butt hole.

  • this preacher was beyond obnoxious. he called him ignorant and then his film man threatened to call the police to censor the guy he was bullying. That's not christian, that's beyond reprehensible. If there is a hell, it's for empty people like him.

  • that guy was a blessing.

  • Glory to God.

  • No one wants to be preached to about an imaginary omnipotent friend who doesn't give a shit. This Bible thumper ought to fly a kite.

  • LOVED IT...GREAT WORK BRO!!! Keep up the good work.

  • I noticed in your preaching session, you never once demonstrated your assertions to be true... you simply asserted them, came up with analogies which tried to help people understand your assertions, etc. But you never demonstrated their truth value. Thats whats important here if you want to talk to a skeptic, like myself. Most of the time, we are already aware of the assertions (at least I am.) I am interested in whether they are true or not, and they have not been demonstrated to be true yet.

  • GREAT job bro, keep up the good work!!! Don't let people intimidate you or bother you. You're doing good...ROCK ON!!! I wish I could be as bold as you...you're AWESOME!!!

  • Trees this and trees that, why do street preachers always assume that Jesus lived and that he was the son of God? The first objective would be to prove that the assumptions on which you build your preaching are true.

  • God has proven himself to the whole world -- that is why the vast majority of human beings on the planet accept Theism as scientific fact and reject atheist dogma as unscientific nonsense.

    The lower animal and the atheist lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities, and that is their shortcoming, not a shortcoming of the evidence, not a shortcoming of the Theists, and not a shortcoming of God.

    atheist total fail

  • @Purushadasa.Do you feel compelled to try and convince an atheist that God exist? If so, then why?

  • @Purushadasa

    Thanks for comparing your fellow man to "lower animals", we now see how kind and loving Christianity is. Your unifying and soothing words have clearly enlightened the viewers of this video. Your selflessness and respect for your fellow man truly is the product of divine influence. Your vast knowledge of the world and how the majority of human beings accept Theism as a science and reject science as science also compels me to believe in your God.

  • @PolarisVu I didn't compare -- I pointed out a clear fact that you have failed to refute.

    Your imagination runs wild about Christianity, but I did not mention Christ or Christianity in my post, so your statements are straw-man logical fallacies, nothing more.

    Also, your statement about belief is irrelevant. I am discussing scientific facts, not beliefs -- all belief in this issue is on your side of the table.

  • @Purushadasa

    Oh. I'm sorry. I assumed by God you meant Christ as well, since I thought they were one and the same. My mistake. I also can't see the clear fact you pointed out in that post. Is it the "God has proven himself to the whole world" part, the "majority of human beings accept Theism as scientific fact and reject atheist (scientific) dogma as unscientific nonsense" part? Or is it "the lower animal and the atheist lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the scientific evidence".

  • @PolarisVu Yopur whole post was assumptions, and incorrect ones, and it's the same for your entire personal belief system, joker. Yes, you mistake.

    For more information on these facts, see my video, "THE WORLD REJECTS ATHEIST DOGMA."

    atheist total fail

  • @Purushadasa

    Your representation of Christian values continues to humble me. Aren't you the one assuming I'm atheist, by the way? ;)

    Also, I maybe I should ask more nicely. Could you please point out the "clear fact" that I'm supposed to be refuting? I'm quite confused as to what the fact is.

  • @Purushadasa

    hahahhahaha.. did u go to school bro? hahaha

  • Because the atheist has no real arguments, and no evidence for his bizarre and universally rejected personal belief system, the only course of action left to him is making lame attempts at ridicule, but those have proven just as impotent as his failed attempts at convincing others to believe in his counterfeit religion without evidence and without any logically coherent argument.

    atheist total fail

  • @Purushadasa

    God has NEVER been proven. Just has he's never been DISPROVEN.

    "universally rejected personal belief system"

    Personal beliefs are based on what the society agrees upon during that time, not whether God exists or not. Ethics and Faith are two different things.

    "atheist has no real arguments"

    Religion has no real arguments either. So pick a side, enjoy the video, and kindly shut the fuck up about how Atheists are wrong.

  • The atheist has failed to provide any evidence for his bizarre personal belief system, and that is why the world rejects atheist dogma™, and always has rejected it.

    The reason why the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet are Theists is that they possess the intelligence to grasp the ample scientific evidence that God has personally provided for his factual appearance and activities.

    For more information on these facts, see my video, "THE WORLD REJECTS ATHEIST DOGMA™."

  • The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.

    The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.

  • @Purushadasa are you doing like parody or something? "God" has been proven by science and logic for countless centuries? No and no. I suspect if you stopped posting for a few minutes, stopped listening to the yammering insanity in your head and just think; just start over as a living, evolved, and thinking being without ancient superstition and fear of death you might realize how Xianity is madness and nonsense.

  • God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.

  • I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.

    The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.

    It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.

  • Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.

    The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.

    You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.

  • The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample logical and scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.

    Sadly, the fact that one single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.

    atheist total fail

  • Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.

    The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.

    I will pray for you.

  • With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?

    The atheist, in the extreme miniscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.

    The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.

  • That would be the duty of the atheist, if he possessed an intelligent thought, but as of this date, he has failed to disprove God, failed to disprove God's factual attributes, failed to disprove God's factual activities, failed to disprove His knowledge, and failed to disprove His love.

    The atheist obviously has a long, hard road ahead of him if he expects to convince anyone of his bizarre dogmatic beliefs.

  • The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.

    The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.

    The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.

  • You shaked the hand of the punk who was willing to fight with the person who was disagreeing with you. How coward you are!

  • It doesn't match word for word -- it is an obvious misquote, and anyone who cares what you type can check it for himself.

    Of course, nobody cares what you type because you're atheist, and the whole world is already convinced that the atheist lacks the intelligence to understand the scientific fact that God exists along with His characteristics and activities.

    The whole world except the clownish atheist understands that fact, and you're not convincing anyone of your irrational beliefs.

  • @Purushadasa what scientific fact that god exists, and why wasn't this headline news when it was discovered i mean the rest of us would like to know.

  • It was discovered before newspapers were invented, numb-nuts, and the rest of us do know -- the atheist's silly beliefs are rejected wholesale by the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet, who are Theists because they possess the intelligence necessary to grasp the ample logical and scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities, intelligence which the atheist and the lower animal lack.

    atheist total fail

  • @Purushadasa first off numb-nuts i am not atheist i am agnostic so ask before you judge...o wait your god tells you to judge first then ask oops. and what makes you any more different then others if you are a higher animal then it blows your god idea out of the water, secondly you call the over bearing of religion intelligence would this be the same intelligence that kept us in 400 years of no advancement.

    theist fail yet again!!!

  • @Purushadasa

    youtube.com/watch?v=T27kB4BjbE­g Watch it and weep you sub-simian dick sniffer. Atheists are more intelligent than Christians. It's been proven in dozens of studies. I should also add that you're not very Jesus-like in your presentation.

  • Nobody throughout history has ever once pointed out a single logical contradiction between God's perfect foreknowledge and man's freedom of choice.

    There is no contradiction: God has perfect foreknowledge AND man has freedom to make real choices.

    Either point out an actual logical contradiction or accept the fact that there are none -- nobody will believe you that there is some unnamed contradiction, just because you say so, unless you produce one.

    The world is waiting -- do you have one?

  • @Purushadasa Judges 1:19 states that even though God was with Judah; they could not drive out the inhabitants with Iron Chariots. God's power wasn't great enough.

    Yet in Philippians 4:13, it is said that you can do all things with God who gives you strength.

    Apparently that's a flat out lie in the Bible. God is NOT all powerful, he couldn't even give his people enough strength to overcome some iron chariots.

    So, God is not all powerful. That's a contradiction to his claim that he is. He lied.

  • Neither of the verses you referenced actually say what you claim they said.

    Your post is nothing but a short series of straw-man logical fallacies, and the comments below the references and misquotes are simply refutations of your own statements, not refutations of any statements God made in the scriptures, and not refutations of any of my statements.

    atheist total fail

  • @Purushadasa ...the first verse is a real argument for God not being all powerful. He was with Judah but they couldn't drive out people with Iron Chariots. It's not a straw man. the point was to show that the God of the Bible is not all powerful. Which is a general premise for his existence. If you want to say that the word of the people in the Bible is not reliable; then I would ask why arguing for him? I would say him not being all powerful is a contradiction of his word (if the bible is his

  • It is a straw-man logical fallacy because it is your words, not the words of the Bible or the words of God.

    The Bible's words are reliable, but yours are not.

    The Bible's words are God's words, but your words are not. You only posted misquotes attached to verse numbers, not actual verses.

    atheist total fail

  • Did you even check the verses?

    You know, thats the whole reason I posted the the verse numbers

    You're straw maning what I say JUST BECAUSE I didn't quote the verse verbatim?

    "oh you didn't post the verse, it's a straw man"

    what is wrong with you

    you don't have a bible the check them

    You don't argue against what I say, you argue against how I said it.

    You're vaguely brushing off my point for no good reason.

    Why don't you even attempt to correct my "misquote"

    I now take nothing you say seriously.

  • @Purushadasa heres one if he has such perfect foreknowledge then he would have known that all of earth would have become so evil that he needed to flood the world and start anew, if he knew this was coming why was global genocide te only answer even though it never happened the story itself shows he has no control to prevent what "he see's coming" but like a mortal man if he was to exist he can only react as things come.

  • Nobody called the angry atheist "ignorant." He's just trying to silence the Christian because he resents him speaking the truth, so he's using threatening body language and a display of animal anger.

    The believer in atheist dogma has no objective moral compass, so given the opportunity, he will always resort to these shameful tactics, because he knows that his position is 100% indefensible, and that is why the world rejects his unsupported, irrational, dogmatic atheist beliefs.

  • Does the debater really believe that before god sent down those 10 commandments people on earth where committing all these offences all the time. More than after they head of these commandments.

  • Rofl at heckler getting owned mahaha:)

  • this guy is annoying.

  • atheist got owned

  • Read the Bible!!!!!

    You'll find the Good Standards!!!

    FACE THE TRUTH THAT WE'RE ALL IGNORANTS.

  • I have a question for the guy who is preaching in this. Why didn't god just create human beings (and angels or whatever you believe in) who would never ever do bad things while still having free will because it's not in their nature to do them? Why did he create anything capable of doing something evil in the first place?

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  • Adam and Eve did know better. They were told, rather specifically what they could not eat. Then through the temptation of the serpent they both willfully ignored God's instruction and ate the fruit anyway. This is in the Bible. Also Cain was punished just as harshly. God set all men against him. As a point of mercy God set a mark on him to protect him. Yet another example of God's grace and mercy

  • What makes the situation so much worse is the video description. It's suggesting that the middle aged man, who was only trying to correct the young idiotic preacher and join in on the discussion, was "getting violent". The thug who tried to fight him is labeled a "good samaritan". This is one of the many reasons why people hate Christians, and why your religion is DYING.

  • @HalfBurntOut Yep. Someone insults your intelligence and pretty much calls you stupid, and you stand up to defend yourself, then YOU get threatened, and you're the jerk. What a great world we live in....

  • You ask that we leat reason be our guide, but then you refuse to use any. Your religion is an opinion, not a fact. Stop trying to sell tickets to a non-existent afterlife.

  • I would love to have a debate with this guy. He's a very loud speaker.

  • Of course, if a child molester repents on his death bed he will go to heaven, so god certainly does NOT deal with those people. Some standard.

  • I think you should read a little more deeply into the Word bro.

  • BTW rationalresponder, this message was a reply to StanMarsh1's comment, not your video. I follow Christ, he is my standard. Sorry for the mix-up.

  • So is anything that I said incorrect?

  • begging for mercy out of self-preservation without sincerity of guilt is not enough.

  • Agreed, not a great standard is it?

  • I don't know how exactly God deals with those people, but the Bible says that if there is sincere repentance and acceptance of Christ as your personal saviour then by God's grace you will be saved from eternal damnation. However, there is also mentioning of certain rewards reaped in Heaven for those who have lived an obedient life too. So I would postulate that a life-long child molester or rapist, or etc. would not reap these rewards if they repented at their death.

  • Aww, really? You mean to say that they go to heaven where they will live forever with god, yet won't get some of the perks that other, more obediant people will? Well isn't that just lovely?

    Hmm, nope, still not seeing a good standard here. Still seems a very immoral thing to do.

  • I guess I'm not seeing where you're basing your standard from. The majority of the world's religious population seems to buy into the guidelines of the Christian standard. I think that the point that rationalresponder is trying to make is, that what you believe is arbitrary unless it's based on principals that transcend the individual, in this case God. I mean, I we didn't make the rules, so who are we to question God's.

  • I'm saying that god is not just or righteous if he wil send murderers and rapists to heaven without punishment because they prayed for forgiveness. In fact the whole system is flawed.

    I don't need transcendant morals to see that is an immoral system.

  • Cool, well I don't know what to tell you bro, don't believe I guess.

  • We're all murderers, theives, and rapists (Matthew ch. 5). God's standard is perfection. Anyone that isn't absolutely perfect is thrown into the same pool of sin. There isn't bad people and then REALLY bad people--the standard is perfect and imperfect. StanMarsh1, you know you're not perfect (Romans 3:23), which makes you inelligible for entrance into heaven, but Christ can take away your sin and put it on himself making you acceptable to a perfect God. 2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 10:9, John 3:16

  • Why would god create us knowing that it would be impossible for us to live up to his standard?

  • yes we are imperfect, but we are created in His own image and likeness. It means you can stop temptaion and be moral as long as you pray and try.

  • So does that mean god is imperfect?

    Oh, and I'm glad you put 'try' in reference to stopping temptation and being moral. Everyone sometimes has to deal with temptation and being moral and trying is all they can do, that has nothing to do with religion, that's just being human.

  • God is perfect but do know why we are imperfect? because of our original sin that we have inherited from Adam and Eve. Because of this we are separated from God. Now, the only way to be reconciled is to believe and have faith in His Son, Jesus. Of course, the bible tells that faith and hope without love is nothing. Just love and follow the Lord and everything will follow.

    Do you think, Atheist will have the reason or logic why they are being moral or doing good?

  • it's not impossible

  • If god created us knowing in advance what we are, and what we're not, going to do, then yes, it is impossible. We can't do what we can't do.

  • even the most dangerous snakes flee burning fields.

    its a great standard.

  • Yes, because they can actually see the flames, feel the heat and get burned if they get too close. Whereas heaven and hell are concepets that don't have any evidence going for them.

    Care to enlighten me on how it's a good standard?

  • because them running for their lives because they realize that they are in danger doesn't change the fact that they are snakes.

    self preservation does not merit salvation. nobody wants to go to hell. everybody wants to go to heave, most people just dont want God to be there when they get there.

  • So we're all snakes? Lovely. And it still doesn't answer my statement that they run away because they can actually see the danger in front of them, yet there is no evidence heaven or hell exists.

    Maybe self preservation doesn't warrant salvation in itself, but if he's praying it's obvious he wants to go to heaven and he will, all he has to do pray, where is the justice?

  • "...there is no evidence heaven or hell exists.">

    yet.

    "all he has to do pray, where is the justice? "

    no. the biggest lie in the last 50 years is all of these evangelists telling people "if you answer 3 simple questions and pray a prayer (that i'll lead) then you'll be saved". that isn't what the bible teaches, though. salvation is a supernatural work of God. we do not choose so much as we are chosen.

    if salvation were left up to how much we could love God on our own we'd be screwed.

  • wow, hecklers are so irritating.

  • Yeah, who wants truth getting in the way of a good story?

  • He says at about 6 minutes in that god doesn't let a single crime go unpunished and yet he does so when Cain kills Abel

  • he punished cain. ever touch a rose bush?

  • he punished cain...

  • How on earth did he punish Cain? I saw no punishment and considering God damned all of humanity to exposure to death and sin just because Adam and Eve who didn't know any better ate from the tree of "knowledge they could have done with in that situation" then you would think that Cain would have a very obvious punishment for murder

  • read genesis. its plain as day.

  • Yeah, thats why everyone agrees on what it says and there aren't multiple interpretations. God basically has little idea on what a punishment is meant to be. He punished all of humanity for what Adam and Eve did when they didn't know any better and with Cain he pretty much made animals want to attack him. When Cain said he was sorry and didn't know any better (like Adam and Eve) he instead chose to give him leprosy.

    In short, whoever thought up god had a very bad concept of what a punishment was

  • Never argue with an idiot.

    If you do, that's what the idiot is doing, too.

  • I hate religion. It makes me sad :/

  • A literal read on a handwritten book by men (which has been severely edited by more corrupt men) is a very dangerous thing.

  • WTF... he was just going off on random stuff that wasn't even connected while at the same time using words like "logic, because, rational, connected etc" to make his BS sound like it was well thought out. Even when he misquoted and was called out on it some goon stepped up to shut the guy down. if he was to be broken down point by point everything he was saying would be proven to be religious bs... it's just that he throws heap at people all at once they can't keep up or refute.

  • "It's not for me to judge." What an insane thing to say. Only you can judge whether or not you are a good tree.

  • everyone thinks they are good. its not for you to judge, the result of your actions will demonstrate your character or alignment

  • Ugh. What a schmuck. The religious fool that is.

  • @migraine516 good luck

  • What an idiot...

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