MrCobra811 Yea there may be no hell but there is the second death!!,which basically means "cut off","dieing Forever".
We are alive right now for one purpose because of Jehovah's"forgiveness"(he forgives freely or else we'd all be dead!)
and "loving"Kindness/long suffering<-- this means "patience".
Jehovah can do whatever the hell he wants he's our God and he made us Cased Closed! And if you have a problem with it take it up with him when the time comes ;).
MrCobra811 Hitler goes wherever the hell Jehovah God wants him to go!,its not the Jehovah's Witnesses choice,There not the ones resurrecting,Duh!..
A paradise earth is far better than burning in a fuckin hell don't you think? And know its not a win win situation if your still alive haha people that don't do the will of jehovah or don't listen to his voice don't gain an earthly paradise that includes my ass as well!haha
@Praisejah992 Well, deffinetely there is no Hell for Hitler since there is no hell in Jehovah's religion! So , he has massacred milions of people and he can still have a chance to Go to paradise same as someone who did good deeds and helped the poor and stuff, if Jehovah God wants LMAO ! On what condition is this Jehovahs God taking people to paradise since he doesn't have a law for his creatures to follow ? Or He plays roulette , man o man phahaha
Just because Jehovahs witnesses don't believe in hell that doesn't make it to be true ! Those Jehova's witnesses are trying to buy people by removing hell from the picture !
@nedboer Where does Hitler Go according to jehova's witnesses ? what about stalin and all criminals ! All in paradise pfaahahahaahh! If Islam is a lie I have nothing to loose cos I will still go to Jehovas witnesses paradise LMAO ! But if Islam is the truth , you will have to go to hell fire forever ! Win win situation , LOL
@MrCobra811 buy people, their a nonprofit religion, they get money from volentary donations, they never ask for money. and George Elliot's statement contradicts what you say. Jehovah's Witnesses are hated all over, while Islam is the fastest growing religion. Hmm, the truth is so difficult isn't it.
It would be very hypocritical for God to send you to be tourtured for eternity. Just saying. Hell fire was actually a tool to force people to believe in Christianity through fear.
The JW's are correct about death, it is written in the Bible by YHWH GOD. And yes YAH said that the 144 thousand is of the Israelites only, they who have endured the greatest suffering of man and the temptations of wickedness in there lives, but who kept or returned to the faith of YHWH which is holy. Not the fake Jewish people, Not Jehovah witnesses, not Muslims, not Christians or any other pagan nation. There is a consuming fire that will destroy the wicked at once not burn forever. Read
@Mr305Assasin Unfortunately the death part is true. But the witnesses will not be counted among the 144 who are the saints of YAH, because JW's are not the Israelites. They don't keep his cultural which is his Laws of holiness. And although some of them are the descendants of the Israelite slaves taken by the slave trade, the so called Africans. They don't know or accept YAH's way of righteous living ( THe Commandments), so they can not be counted among the saints.
ENERGY & MATTER ARE NEITHER CREATED NOR DESTROYED,IT JUST RATHER TRANSFORMS INTO A DIFFERENT STATE OF EXISTENCE ,KNOWING & BELIEVING ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORDS BY DEFINITION.
@ADS20098 Matthew 13:13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
What I posted is already written, I just copied and pasted. If you don't get the word, then obviously it's not for you. I'm not hear to make you into a believer; I'm not here to give you understanding. If you don't get the word of the Most High, then you take that up with Him and see if He'll help you get it.
These Satan Witnesses are the worst people on the planet who will need to be aware of. These people don't believe there is a punishment for their wickedness, so they kill, rape, steal and do every evil thought that comes to their mind w/o having a conscious. Common sense--in the world around you, there is punishment for breaking the law it's called jail. Just as there is a punishment for breaking the Most High's laws it's called hell. As a man soweth that shall he also reap.
@brofun your spirit is eternal, so therefore your wages are eternal. Death of the spirit doesn't happen as death of the flesh. the spirit will die eternally...w/o end
@YasharRapah There is nothing biblical about our having an eternal spirit. When Adam and Eve were given the law in the garden, Jehovah told them if they ate from the tree, they would die...nothing about living forever..nothing about eternal torture..he said they would die and return to the dust. Adam and Eve, upon their death, ceased to exist..and are no longer alive.
@brofun Yes there is...John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Genesis1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. He is a spirit and we were made in his image. He made us spirits before he made us in the earth with our fleshly bodies...Genesis Chpt 1 shows how every thing was made in 6 days and on the 7th day He rested.Then Genesis Chpt 2 clealry states...
@YasharRapah yahsur..the word spirit carries more than one nuance..but, it is always something invisible..it can mean what motivates a man..his spirit...it can mean what God and the angels are..they ARE spirits. God is a spirit..and he created man in his image in that we have many of the qualities that God has..the ability to reason, think, make decisions, free wil,, etc. There is nothing in the bible that supports that he created us as spirits before he made us on earth.
@brofun Gen 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field BEFORE IT WAS IN THE EARTH, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon
the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground...
@brofun Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now if you research the word breath (in Hebrew) then you would know that breath and spirit are the same.
We were created as spirits in His image, then we were created from the dust of the ground (flesh), then he breathed into us(our flesh) the breath of life (our spirits).
@brofun Wow I can't believe that the serpent had more wisdom than you express in this comment, because even the serpent said--> Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
@brofun If Adam and Eve ceased to exist, then why do you JW go around telling people that when the kingdom comes that they will all of a sudden reappear again and be offered the choice of living forever? If they cease to exist, then they can't just reappear again--> You can't even stay consistent with what you are believing.
@brofun How do you conclude that all the murderers and rapist and wicked people on this planet are just going to go nighty night when they die and not reap what they've sown? That's why I say JW are the most evil people on this planet who we all need to be aware of. They think they can do whatever they want while on earth and then RIP and turn around and be offered the choice of living forever in love and happiness. That's a lie!!
@YasharRapah they will simply cease to exist..and those that choose to love God and do his will will live forever. the wages sin pays is death..not torture..but the gift God gives is everlasting life. And, for your information, most people do not say JWs are the most evil people on the planet. And we do not think we can do whatever we want. We love God, so we obey his commandments..not out of fear of being tortured, but because we love rightousness.
@brofun If there is no punishment for wickedness, then there should be a law in every country on this earth that says no one can ever be prosecuted for the murders/rapes/robberies/etc of a JW. We should never hear anything from a JW's mouth saying that justice needs to be done. Because the truth of the matter is you all think that that person will be rewarded anyway. So why not reward them now for killing your family members?
@YasharRapah yashar..the punishment for sin is death. In most countries, that is the ultimate punishment. The governments on this earth are allowed to rule..they have a purpose. The bible says they carry the sword to punish the wicked. Your premise that all crimes should go unpunished is senseless. But, there is no reason to think that keeping someone alive forever and burning and torturing them is just punishment for anything. I really don't understand your reasoning..or lack of..
I began to smile,when I watched this video. Finally, someone who actually does the research and understands my religion and being one of Jehovah's witnesses. Thank you so much for posting this factual video!
Then u say u doin what jehovah want u to do stop playin.let me show u Gods salvation plan,1st except Jesus as ur lord an savior2nd b baptized3rd receive the holy spirit that the plan.oh an st john 3:13-21,Romans10:917 an theres many more.
All praise to Jehovah imma set the record straight,dont debate with false religion.y do i say jws is false religion,well first of all the holy scriptures is a write off from the holy bible to there religion which is all about jehovah no problem but both books say dont add or take away from the word of God an n 1john5:7 its n the bible but they didn put it n the holy scriptures.y?
Hell was an obvious "External idea" compared to what the bible or Jesus ever express as. Obviously, hades can mean two things hell fire in paganism and a grave when you take it "generally", in the bible how this "hades" takes it's definition, a grave or a hell fire. Well someone who has been sent to hades just came back like nothing happened, for Joshua, it was a Whale, FOR Joshua, how's a whale, a hell fire?, well if he JUST perished there, wouldn't that JUST be a grave, thus hades is a grave
of course jw think heaven is a desirable place and they also wud view it as an honor to be among the 144,000..however only jehovah knows the 144,000 anointed ones.
Why do you say Jehovah witnessess believe? The Bible says this! When you die so does your soul. You are nothing just as adam was. 144,000 annoited are chosen to rule with Jesus. The dead will rise some to be judged and some to live in paradise. Jehovah is a loving GOD, why would he have someone burn in hell for eternity? Hell is for Satan and his demons! GOD chose you to be on earth if he chose you to be in heaven then you'd be an Angel! This is not his plan, IT IS HIS PURPOSE!!!
ok so since there's a list already planned by god consisted of 144,000 people what happens to the rest of the people do that automactically go to hell? Im not understanding that
@chickenlikingood Haha, it's also good he will give all between the interval of Adam's children to people dead before Armageddon will be given a second chance to worship Jehovah, I've read :), only the seed of the thing known as sin will not be returning such as Adam, Satan and his Angels of course since they'd still be alive, Eve. I am not sure if there are others, but this is what I know so far :)
@JoryWoodson5 the list is not predetermined to work out 100% anyone of the 144,000 could lose their position of heavenly hope if they commit fornication etc.
the rest of the faithful ones will inherit the earth which we already live on.
@k0smon "1 Samuel 28:15 (KJV) " And Samuel said to Saul..." If he was asleep, or in a state of 'know nothing', how could he carry on a conversation?"
here you asked this, samuel was dead so saul used a meduim to gain info, he was not talking to samuel it was an unclean spirit that was carrying a conversation with saul
The only reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe the good people on the world will ALL be going into Heaven because the Bible says that 144,000 will rule with Jesus as his, and Jehovah's, helpers as angels.
@eviibabii07 The JW's will not rule with anyone because; first in is not written for them to rule anything of GODS, they don't know YHWH ( GOD) nor is Messiah YAHshua. They are not the Israelites who are to rule YHWH's kingdom here on earth only as it is written. An i'm not talking about the fake Jewish people who have everyone Blaspheming the name of (GOD) YAHWAH and the name of his salvation. The promise is still to Israel forever.
@eviibabii07 What Jesus said about inheriting the eart would have been rather redundant if believing meant a one guaranteed ticket to heaven. Indeed what you say is true. It's just sort of weird how that is such a great hung-up for many.
The beginning to this video is a complete lie. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that when you die you will soon be in a paridise Earth. However what is true is that Jehovah's Witnsses do not believe in hell, for why in the world would God, who has created us, want us to burn and suffer forever in a friery plae of torment and torture? It does not make any sense. And, the Bible, which was inspired by God, does not say anything about Hell.
@eviibabii07 its not a lie, because when you die you do seize to exist, until Jesus resurrects you on paradise earth. You don't instantly get resurrected until the new system of things.
@eviibabii07 The beginning of the video isn't a lie. The Bible teaches that we cease to exist and that "the dead are conscious of nothing." Our names are simply written in the Book of Life.
@iknowimalive Isn't that the old covenant? I thought Jesus came with a new covenant, one that opened the doors to all to enter the Kingdom of God (Heaven)? I know Solomon said that the dead are conscious of nothing, and that was part of the law in old covenant, but didn't Jesus change all of that?
@slinkback Matthew 5:5 says "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth."
When Jesus came, he came to take some to heaven, but the rest would wait in the ground until the resurrection to the earth. After Jesus died and paid for Adam's mess up, Jesus opened the way for everlasting life. Whenever God's ready, Armageddon can come and everyone can be resurrected.
@iknowimalive No problem, I'm a fan of a civilized debate. But where does it say in the Bible that only some will go to heaven? Jesus said that no one gets to the Father but through me and that whoever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life. If I were to be dead in the ground, that would be it, I'd be dead. But if we are spiritual beings, that would be the only thing that makes sense because you can't kill a spirit.
@slinkback Interesting question. Jesus does promise everlasting life, but he doesn't say it's immediate. I believe that when Jesus was saying we would have "everlasting life," that it would be on the earth, not necessarily in heaven. Revelation speaks of a "little flock" that would serve with Jesus in heaven, but a "great crowd" that would live under God's kingdom and be brought back to perfection over the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
@iknowimalive I did research the two phrases, little flock and great crowd, and never are they together in the same description of people. I don't think there are two separate classes of people. The Bible says that we have one hope, and that absent from the body we are present with the Lord. It doesn't make any distinction between those who go to be with the Lord and those who don't once the spirit leaves the body. How does the Watchtower decide who goes to Heaven and who stays here?
@slinkback The Watchtower doesn't decide whether we go to heaven or not. Each individual knows if they have the heavenly calling. I do not. I am not borne again. I'm glad you did research on the two phrases. They are separate groups. The little flock is made up of a "little" number- 144,000 (the Israel of God). The great crowd is the "other sheep"- of which I am- that come out of the great tribulation.
@iknowimalive Ok, got it. When I was born again it was like my eyes were open and my discernment of spiritual things multiplied 100 times. Now speaking of the watchtower's definition of the 144,000, aren't they all supposed to be virgin male descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel? Are all of the 144,000 JWs that claim to be part of the "little flock" of Israeli descent?
@slinkback No, we don't believe that the 144,000 are natural born Jews. In Revelation it says that these men would be from different "tribes, tongues and nations." These twelve tribes are of "spiritual Israel" or the "Israel of God." Anyone can be a "spiritual Jew" the Bible says.
@iknowimalive But they are all virgin males, right? How come the watchtower takes the first part of that verse, that being the number of people, as literal, but not the second part describing the exact number from each specific tribe? Is verse 9 in Revalation chapter 7 talking about the same people?
@slinkback Throughout the Bible, the term "virgin" may be literal or spiritual. For instance, Mary was a literal "virgin," but in 2 Cor. 11:2-6 it shows that the congregation is also a "chaste virgin to the Christ." The congregation wasn't actually full of virgins, or a "virgin congregation," but was spiritually clean and undefiled. These ones that will serve in heaven are to be spiritually "virgins" and "unblemised, and spotless" from the world. Check my next comment too.
@slinkback The exact number here is obviously 144,000. The reason for this is the comparison in the next verses. After Paul saw these men that equal 144,000- numbered- verse 9 speaks about "a great crowd, which no man was able to number." Here it's clear that there is a group of 144,000 and then a large group that no one was able to number- showing that the group of 144,000 was obviously a "numberable" group. This "great crowd" is not the same group as the 144,000. These can't be numbered.
@iknowimalive But that doesn't make sense because the great crowd is in heaven. The watchtower states that the great crowd will be on earth. Revelation 7:15 says they are before the throne of God, so they have to be in heaven. I looked at the NWT and they replace God with Lamb. I went back to the original greek and the word used is "theos", which means God, not lamb.
@iknowimalive Correction, the NWT does use God. Which makes it even stranger. The throne of God is in heaven, how are all these people on earth if God's throne is in Heaven?
@slinkback I think it is like this. Washington DC is the capital (or kingdom of the USA) but we do not all live their. we live with in the kingdom though. same with Gods kingdom. it will rule in heaven but it will rule over earth as well.
HMMMM.Interesting.but let me ask you this.if we are all in heaven not on Earth.how does Satan cause so many to fall after the 1,000 year reign?.Are you saying there is to be sin in heaven?
Also going to heaven is not a DUTY for JW but an honor.
18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited:
If you die its like gone forever you won't even be gone cause there ain't no gone just black with no awareness it's just the end
gaangstaliciouss 2 weeks ago
Wow this guy explained it great.
nateL1914 1 month ago
MrCobra811 what do you mean by "a law for his creatures to follow"? Specify please!.
Praisejah992 1 month ago
MrCobra811 Jehovah will judge you the way he wants so I suggest you worry about yourself and not hitler!.
Praisejah992 1 month ago
MrCobra811 Yea there may be no hell but there is the second death!!,which basically means "cut off","dieing Forever".
We are alive right now for one purpose because of Jehovah's"forgiveness"(he forgives freely or else we'd all be dead!)
and "loving"Kindness/long suffering<-- this means "patience".
Jehovah can do whatever the hell he wants he's our God and he made us Cased Closed! And if you have a problem with it take it up with him when the time comes ;).
Praisejah992 1 month ago
@nedboer lol all those criminals are being destroyed dats it like he said they are not coming back in the Paradise earth
SinCara151 1 month ago
MrCobra811 Oooopss I meant no its not a Win Win! Haha
Praisejah992 1 month ago
MrCobra811 Hitler goes wherever the hell Jehovah God wants him to go!,its not the Jehovah's Witnesses choice,There not the ones resurrecting,Duh!..
A paradise earth is far better than burning in a fuckin hell don't you think? And know its not a win win situation if your still alive haha people that don't do the will of jehovah or don't listen to his voice don't gain an earthly paradise that includes my ass as well!haha
Praisejah992 1 month ago
@Praisejah992 Well, deffinetely there is no Hell for Hitler since there is no hell in Jehovah's religion! So , he has massacred milions of people and he can still have a chance to Go to paradise same as someone who did good deeds and helped the poor and stuff, if Jehovah God wants LMAO ! On what condition is this Jehovahs God taking people to paradise since he doesn't have a law for his creatures to follow ? Or He plays roulette , man o man phahaha
MrCobra811 1 month ago
I guess I should have worded right..There no Longer his "Chosen" people.
Praisejah992 1 month ago
The Bible,why?
Praisejah992 1 month ago
Just because Jehovahs witnesses don't believe in hell that doesn't make it to be true ! Those Jehova's witnesses are trying to buy people by removing hell from the picture !
Falsehood is easy, truth so difficult.
- George Elliot
Islam is the truth , like it or not
MrCobra811 3 months ago
@MrCobra811 you must be joking please google prophet of doom and the myths of muhammad . ,sorry islam is the biggest lie ever told
nedboer 2 months ago
@nedboer Where does Hitler Go according to jehova's witnesses ? what about stalin and all criminals ! All in paradise pfaahahahaahh! If Islam is a lie I have nothing to loose cos I will still go to Jehovas witnesses paradise LMAO ! But if Islam is the truth , you will have to go to hell fire forever ! Win win situation , LOL
MrCobra811 2 months ago
@MrCobra811 google prophet of doom , and ,or the myts of muhammad,
nedboer 2 months ago
@MrCobra811 buy people, their a nonprofit religion, they get money from volentary donations, they never ask for money. and George Elliot's statement contradicts what you say. Jehovah's Witnesses are hated all over, while Islam is the fastest growing religion. Hmm, the truth is so difficult isn't it.
JellayToasT 1 month ago
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D8tzmanu 3 months ago
It would be very hypocritical for God to send you to be tourtured for eternity. Just saying. Hell fire was actually a tool to force people to believe in Christianity through fear.
TheCashmoney1234567 5 months ago
And nothing happens "the dead are conscious of nothing".
Praisejah992 6 months ago
The Iraelites are no longer gods people!
And jehovah says it HIMSELF we ARE HIS WITNESSES!
Psalms 83:18;"That people may know,you who's name is JEHOVAH,that
You alone ar the MOST HIGH over all the earth".
Isaiah 43:10;"YOU ARE MY WITNESSES" is the utterance of JEHOVAH.
Praisejah992 6 months ago
@Praisejah992 The Israelites are no longer God's people? Where in hell, did you get that from?
shjtyu 1 month ago
VERRY GOOD .....THIS WAS THE ANSWER TO MY PRAYER...I LERN FROM GOD'S WORD..
1533mary 7 months ago
The JW's are correct about death, it is written in the Bible by YHWH GOD. And yes YAH said that the 144 thousand is of the Israelites only, they who have endured the greatest suffering of man and the temptations of wickedness in there lives, but who kept or returned to the faith of YHWH which is holy. Not the fake Jewish people, Not Jehovah witnesses, not Muslims, not Christians or any other pagan nation. There is a consuming fire that will destroy the wicked at once not burn forever. Read
HavardiYah 7 months ago
blasphemy
Mr305Assasin 7 months ago
@Mr305Assasin Unfortunately the death part is true. But the witnesses will not be counted among the 144 who are the saints of YAH, because JW's are not the Israelites. They don't keep his cultural which is his Laws of holiness. And although some of them are the descendants of the Israelite slaves taken by the slave trade, the so called Africans. They don't know or accept YAH's way of righteous living ( THe Commandments), so they can not be counted among the saints.
HavardiYah 7 months ago
ENERGY & MATTER ARE NEITHER CREATED NOR DESTROYED,IT JUST RATHER TRANSFORMS INTO A DIFFERENT STATE OF EXISTENCE ,KNOWING & BELIEVING ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORDS BY DEFINITION.
cyberrouge2 8 months ago
@ADS20098 Matthew 13:13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
What I posted is already written, I just copied and pasted. If you don't get the word, then obviously it's not for you. I'm not hear to make you into a believer; I'm not here to give you understanding. If you don't get the word of the Most High, then you take that up with Him and see if He'll help you get it.
My part here is done.
YasharRapah 8 months ago
nope not ture
brandonvancouver420 8 months ago
These Satan Witnesses are the worst people on the planet who will need to be aware of. These people don't believe there is a punishment for their wickedness, so they kill, rape, steal and do every evil thought that comes to their mind w/o having a conscious. Common sense--in the world around you, there is punishment for breaking the law it's called jail. Just as there is a punishment for breaking the Most High's laws it's called hell. As a man soweth that shall he also reap.
YasharRapah 9 months ago
@YasharRapah yashar...romans 6:23 says very clearly..the wages sin pays is death..nothing about torture.
brofun 8 months ago
@brofun your spirit is eternal, so therefore your wages are eternal. Death of the spirit doesn't happen as death of the flesh. the spirit will die eternally...w/o end
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@YasharRapah There is nothing biblical about our having an eternal spirit. When Adam and Eve were given the law in the garden, Jehovah told them if they ate from the tree, they would die...nothing about living forever..nothing about eternal torture..he said they would die and return to the dust. Adam and Eve, upon their death, ceased to exist..and are no longer alive.
brofun 8 months ago
@brofun Yes there is...John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.Genesis1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. He is a spirit and we were made in his image. He made us spirits before he made us in the earth with our fleshly bodies...Genesis Chpt 1 shows how every thing was made in 6 days and on the 7th day He rested.Then Genesis Chpt 2 clealry states...
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@YasharRapah yahsur..the word spirit carries more than one nuance..but, it is always something invisible..it can mean what motivates a man..his spirit...it can mean what God and the angels are..they ARE spirits. God is a spirit..and he created man in his image in that we have many of the qualities that God has..the ability to reason, think, make decisions, free wil,, etc. There is nothing in the bible that supports that he created us as spirits before he made us on earth.
brofun 8 months ago
@brofun Gen 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field BEFORE IT WAS IN THE EARTH, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon
the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground...
Then verse 7 states...
YasharRapah 8 months ago
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@brofun Gen 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Now if you research the word breath (in Hebrew) then you would know that breath and spirit are the same.
We were created as spirits in His image, then we were created from the dust of the ground (flesh), then he breathed into us(our flesh) the breath of life (our spirits).
YasharRapah 8 months ago
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@brofun Wow I can't believe that the serpent had more wisdom than you express in this comment, because even the serpent said--> Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@brofun If Adam and Eve ceased to exist, then why do you JW go around telling people that when the kingdom comes that they will all of a sudden reappear again and be offered the choice of living forever? If they cease to exist, then they can't just reappear again--> You can't even stay consistent with what you are believing.
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@brofun How do you conclude that all the murderers and rapist and wicked people on this planet are just going to go nighty night when they die and not reap what they've sown? That's why I say JW are the most evil people on this planet who we all need to be aware of. They think they can do whatever they want while on earth and then RIP and turn around and be offered the choice of living forever in love and happiness. That's a lie!!
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@YasharRapah they will simply cease to exist..and those that choose to love God and do his will will live forever. the wages sin pays is death..not torture..but the gift God gives is everlasting life. And, for your information, most people do not say JWs are the most evil people on the planet. And we do not think we can do whatever we want. We love God, so we obey his commandments..not out of fear of being tortured, but because we love rightousness.
brofun 8 months ago
@brofun If there is no punishment for wickedness, then there should be a law in every country on this earth that says no one can ever be prosecuted for the murders/rapes/robberies/etc of a JW. We should never hear anything from a JW's mouth saying that justice needs to be done. Because the truth of the matter is you all think that that person will be rewarded anyway. So why not reward them now for killing your family members?
YasharRapah 8 months ago
@YasharRapah Permanent death is punishment. Why would you want more than that?
Lekozza 8 months ago
@YasharRapah yashar..the punishment for sin is death. In most countries, that is the ultimate punishment. The governments on this earth are allowed to rule..they have a purpose. The bible says they carry the sword to punish the wicked. Your premise that all crimes should go unpunished is senseless. But, there is no reason to think that keeping someone alive forever and burning and torturing them is just punishment for anything. I really don't understand your reasoning..or lack of..
brofun 8 months ago
@YasharRapah their is a punishment my friend for wickedness DEATH
clevelandshero23 8 months ago
I began to smile,when I watched this video. Finally, someone who actually does the research and understands my religion and being one of Jehovah's witnesses. Thank you so much for posting this factual video!
victoriaisntsosecret 9 months ago
Then u say u doin what jehovah want u to do stop playin.let me show u Gods salvation plan,1st except Jesus as ur lord an savior2nd b baptized3rd receive the holy spirit that the plan.oh an st john 3:13-21,Romans10:917 an theres many more.
1c3cub31 1 year ago
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@1c3cub31 what did Jesus tell satan when he offered the kingdoms to jesus if jesus would worship him just once?
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
All praise to Jehovah imma set the record straight,dont debate with false religion.y do i say jws is false religion,well first of all the holy scriptures is a write off from the holy bible to there religion which is all about jehovah no problem but both books say dont add or take away from the word of God an n 1john5:7 its n the bible but they didn put it n the holy scriptures.y?
1c3cub31 1 year ago
@1c3cub31 who is the religion that does NOT remove the name of Jehovah where it is in the manuscripts?
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
Hell was an obvious "External idea" compared to what the bible or Jesus ever express as. Obviously, hades can mean two things hell fire in paganism and a grave when you take it "generally", in the bible how this "hades" takes it's definition, a grave or a hell fire. Well someone who has been sent to hades just came back like nothing happened, for Joshua, it was a Whale, FOR Joshua, how's a whale, a hell fire?, well if he JUST perished there, wouldn't that JUST be a grave, thus hades is a grave
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
of course jw think heaven is a desirable place and they also wud view it as an honor to be among the 144,000..however only jehovah knows the 144,000 anointed ones.
chickenlikingood 1 year ago
Only the Father knows the 144,000!
SpiritsExistDotCom 1 year ago
Why do you say Jehovah witnessess believe? The Bible says this! When you die so does your soul. You are nothing just as adam was. 144,000 annoited are chosen to rule with Jesus. The dead will rise some to be judged and some to live in paradise. Jehovah is a loving GOD, why would he have someone burn in hell for eternity? Hell is for Satan and his demons! GOD chose you to be on earth if he chose you to be in heaven then you'd be an Angel! This is not his plan, IT IS HIS PURPOSE!!!
SpiritsExistDotCom 1 year ago
ok so since there's a list already planned by god consisted of 144,000 people what happens to the rest of the people do that automactically go to hell? Im not understanding that
JoryWoodson5 1 year ago
@JoryWoodson5 hell is where the dead are 'tombs, 6' under' the rest will reside on earth forever, there is no fiery hell
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@JoryWoodson5 no. jehovah's faithful servants will live on the paradise earth forever
chickenlikingood 1 year ago
@chickenlikingood Haha, it's also good he will give all between the interval of Adam's children to people dead before Armageddon will be given a second chance to worship Jehovah, I've read :), only the seed of the thing known as sin will not be returning such as Adam, Satan and his Angels of course since they'd still be alive, Eve. I am not sure if there are others, but this is what I know so far :)
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@JoryWoodson5 the list is not predetermined to work out 100% anyone of the 144,000 could lose their position of heavenly hope if they commit fornication etc.
the rest of the faithful ones will inherit the earth which we already live on.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
1 Samuel 28:15 (KJV) " And Samuel said to Saul..." If he was asleep, or in a state of 'know nothing', how could he carry on a conversation?
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon saul was 'talking' to samuel through a medium since God had departed from saul
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion;;; Absolutely correct. But I fail to understand your point.
k0smon 1 year ago
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@k0smon "1 Samuel 28:15 (KJV) " And Samuel said to Saul..." If he was asleep, or in a state of 'know nothing', how could he carry on a conversation?"
here you asked this, samuel was dead so saul used a meduim to gain info, he was not talking to samuel it was an unclean spirit that was carrying a conversation with saul
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
This is funny. They should come up with the 145K.
veramann 1 year ago
so tefreshing to see straight talking about jws .. yr well cool..
maxinemon001 1 year ago
I'm not a JW, only one thing i agree with is, there is not a Hell to burn in... Hell is here on earth.
biginvt61 1 year ago
@shamefulness I agree 100%
JAKEV25 1 year ago
This is a wonderful man.
Danibaybe90 2 years ago
if there is war in heaven there must be sin it seems heaven is no different than earth
espyd21c 2 years ago
Thank you so much well Explained ....
smagisa 2 years ago
I saw this video on jwbrothers also
2202lindenblvd 2 years ago 3
The only reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe the good people on the world will ALL be going into Heaven because the Bible says that 144,000 will rule with Jesus as his, and Jehovah's, helpers as angels.
eviibabii07 2 years ago 6
@eviibabii07 The JW's will not rule with anyone because; first in is not written for them to rule anything of GODS, they don't know YHWH ( GOD) nor is Messiah YAHshua. They are not the Israelites who are to rule YHWH's kingdom here on earth only as it is written. An i'm not talking about the fake Jewish people who have everyone Blaspheming the name of (GOD) YAHWAH and the name of his salvation. The promise is still to Israel forever.
Read the Bible !!!
HavardiYah 7 months ago
@eviibabii07 What Jesus said about inheriting the eart would have been rather redundant if believing meant a one guaranteed ticket to heaven. Indeed what you say is true. It's just sort of weird how that is such a great hung-up for many.
GetenGeten 6 months ago
The beginning to this video is a complete lie. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that when you die you will soon be in a paridise Earth. However what is true is that Jehovah's Witnsses do not believe in hell, for why in the world would God, who has created us, want us to burn and suffer forever in a friery plae of torment and torture? It does not make any sense. And, the Bible, which was inspired by God, does not say anything about Hell.
eviibabii07 2 years ago
Uhh ur wrong... the first part isn't a complete lie!
Taliban157 2 years ago
@eviibabii07 its not a lie, because when you die you do seize to exist, until Jesus resurrects you on paradise earth. You don't instantly get resurrected until the new system of things.
logan500 1 year ago
@eviibabii07 The beginning of the video isn't a lie. The Bible teaches that we cease to exist and that "the dead are conscious of nothing." Our names are simply written in the Book of Life.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive Isn't that the old covenant? I thought Jesus came with a new covenant, one that opened the doors to all to enter the Kingdom of God (Heaven)? I know Solomon said that the dead are conscious of nothing, and that was part of the law in old covenant, but didn't Jesus change all of that?
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback Matthew 5:5 says "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth."
When Jesus came, he came to take some to heaven, but the rest would wait in the ground until the resurrection to the earth. After Jesus died and paid for Adam's mess up, Jesus opened the way for everlasting life. Whenever God's ready, Armageddon can come and everyone can be resurrected.
Thanks for being kind in your question.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive No problem, I'm a fan of a civilized debate. But where does it say in the Bible that only some will go to heaven? Jesus said that no one gets to the Father but through me and that whoever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life. If I were to be dead in the ground, that would be it, I'd be dead. But if we are spiritual beings, that would be the only thing that makes sense because you can't kill a spirit.
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback Interesting question. Jesus does promise everlasting life, but he doesn't say it's immediate. I believe that when Jesus was saying we would have "everlasting life," that it would be on the earth, not necessarily in heaven. Revelation speaks of a "little flock" that would serve with Jesus in heaven, but a "great crowd" that would live under God's kingdom and be brought back to perfection over the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive I did research the two phrases, little flock and great crowd, and never are they together in the same description of people. I don't think there are two separate classes of people. The Bible says that we have one hope, and that absent from the body we are present with the Lord. It doesn't make any distinction between those who go to be with the Lord and those who don't once the spirit leaves the body. How does the Watchtower decide who goes to Heaven and who stays here?
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback The Watchtower doesn't decide whether we go to heaven or not. Each individual knows if they have the heavenly calling. I do not. I am not borne again. I'm glad you did research on the two phrases. They are separate groups. The little flock is made up of a "little" number- 144,000 (the Israel of God). The great crowd is the "other sheep"- of which I am- that come out of the great tribulation.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive Ok, got it. When I was born again it was like my eyes were open and my discernment of spiritual things multiplied 100 times. Now speaking of the watchtower's definition of the 144,000, aren't they all supposed to be virgin male descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel? Are all of the 144,000 JWs that claim to be part of the "little flock" of Israeli descent?
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback No, we don't believe that the 144,000 are natural born Jews. In Revelation it says that these men would be from different "tribes, tongues and nations." These twelve tribes are of "spiritual Israel" or the "Israel of God." Anyone can be a "spiritual Jew" the Bible says.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive But they are all virgin males, right? How come the watchtower takes the first part of that verse, that being the number of people, as literal, but not the second part describing the exact number from each specific tribe? Is verse 9 in Revalation chapter 7 talking about the same people?
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback Throughout the Bible, the term "virgin" may be literal or spiritual. For instance, Mary was a literal "virgin," but in 2 Cor. 11:2-6 it shows that the congregation is also a "chaste virgin to the Christ." The congregation wasn't actually full of virgins, or a "virgin congregation," but was spiritually clean and undefiled. These ones that will serve in heaven are to be spiritually "virgins" and "unblemised, and spotless" from the world. Check my next comment too.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@slinkback The exact number here is obviously 144,000. The reason for this is the comparison in the next verses. After Paul saw these men that equal 144,000- numbered- verse 9 speaks about "a great crowd, which no man was able to number." Here it's clear that there is a group of 144,000 and then a large group that no one was able to number- showing that the group of 144,000 was obviously a "numberable" group. This "great crowd" is not the same group as the 144,000. These can't be numbered.
iknowimalive 1 year ago
@iknowimalive But that doesn't make sense because the great crowd is in heaven. The watchtower states that the great crowd will be on earth. Revelation 7:15 says they are before the throne of God, so they have to be in heaven. I looked at the NWT and they replace God with Lamb. I went back to the original greek and the word used is "theos", which means God, not lamb.
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback the word 'Before' doesnt necesarily mean right next to him. i can back that up with other verses
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@iknowimalive Correction, the NWT does use God. Which makes it even stranger. The throne of God is in heaven, how are all these people on earth if God's throne is in Heaven?
slinkback 1 year ago
@slinkback I think it is like this. Washington DC is the capital (or kingdom of the USA) but we do not all live their. we live with in the kingdom though. same with Gods kingdom. it will rule in heaven but it will rule over earth as well.
shihtzufizzers 1 year ago
HMMMM.Interesting.but let me ask you this.if we are all in heaven not on Earth.how does Satan cause so many to fall after the 1,000 year reign?.Are you saying there is to be sin in heaven?
Also going to heaven is not a DUTY for JW but an honor.
18 For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited:
JAKEV25 2 years ago