Is The Homosexual Agenda Right, Wrong, Or Is? Part 2

[WhatE7263]

I would also like to say that I find it unfair to label all gay people with the same "agenda" just as it is unfair to label Christians. I am a Christian, so is my family and some of my closest friends and they do not believe as you do.

[shanmnl]

@WhatE7263 The problem is we see them having this problem, yet we're telling them "ITS OK Accept it!" As followers of Christ we're supposed to encourage them to change and minister to them through love, not keep providing idiotic excuses! I see what mannup means by HypoChristians now. Its like in middle school when the gay dyke girl was pushed out of the girls locker room. She thinks she's a BOY and carries the SPIRIT OF A BOY!! And naturally, boys are not allowed in the girl's locker room.TRUTH

[WhatE7263]

I tried to watch this video as impartially as possible, but I could not believe how many times you contradicted yourself in this video, bringing up the civil rights movement and how they had to fight for their rights but then shaming gay people for wanting the exact same thing. Why do you think the only alternative is to be tolerant of the intolerance? If you truly believed in the words of the Bible, why aren't you the one turning the other cheek instead of instructing others to do so?

[shanmnl]

@WhatE7263 ugh I know this was a few months back but I'm so tired of hearing about gay people and civil rights. lol its shameful and I know the truth hurts but it is what it is. Being proud of the fact that you have sex with the same sex is like being proud that you choose to have the right to watch porno. Who cares who you have sex with! It doesn't make it a civil rights issue!! We all have rights as human beings but when it comes to something so unnatural don't expect people to accept it.

[mastersduhgree]

Those who teach the homosexual agenda to children and say that it is okay will be better off if they tie a millstone around there neck and throw themselves into the deepest part of the ocean.

[MetalChef]

Those who teach that of an anti-homosexual agenda should do the same then?

Children are kind of born with a blank paper on wich you may write practicly anything as a parent. Like tolerance towards people of different sexuality, or maybe like the children of the movie "Jesus Camp".

If you think that tolerance and respect are bad things, then be my guest. But that's a destructive way in the long run, and destructive ways never make it in the end.

[mastersduhgree]

UM....dont preach that too loud.We are all "born" with a knowledge of GOD.Also theres no different'sexuality' on planet earth.Theres abominable behaviour but thats about it.

[MetalChef]

Well you are preaching your stuff, why should i not be allowed to preach mine?

Never in my life have i had the honor of discussing this matter with a person sharing the opinion of yourself without it within minutes becomes clear that it does not root in the bible or religion, but his/her own intolerance and lack of empathy towards certain people.

From my subjective viewpoint contra yours, your opinion on the matter of homosexuality is "evil". So an garde i say.

[mastersduhgree]

from a wicked source.When the homosexual who a person is in a discussion with is immature/critical/ect. It can be hard to dissasociate the act from the person even tho it is nesseccary in order to maintain an objective.If Those that are homosexual or are of an accepting position of the bondage of it could take the objective position,it would be easy to bring them to an understanding of its cause and cure.But there is mostly a justifying stance taken to preserve the 'victims'Integrity.

[mastersduhgree]

@MetalChef ;Its just that theres a different way to understand what is called 'tolerance'.Tolerance is actually 'putting up with something you dont agree with' Thats not a good appraoach to homosexuality or prejudice.

[gammazuma]

Whoops... *"people aren't genetically..."

[gammazuma]

"People are genetically predisposed to liking anything." If this doesn't show how out of touch with the world and science this person is, I don't know what does.

[lkm5002]

wow this video makes me so sad. the soccer analogy was wonderful...then it turned into some sort of insane hate diatribe.

[uraine7626]

The problem is that a lot of heterosexuals think they should be the only ones to recieve forgiveness of their sins. But everyone can repent! Don't let noone take your salvation away!

[smileitsgreat]

im a christian, i read the bible and i know God does not want people lying as you have in his name.

you stated in part one that gays get all these STDs, so do straight people.

you said that gays want everyone to be IN THEIR CLUB. what on earth are you talking about? i have gay friends who doent have any other gay friends, and have never tried to CONVERT anyone.

its people like you who in fact "win people over to the gay agenda" as you would put it

[manuppowerup]

I said they have more of a chance of contracting them, not that they have them all...

I think anyway, I haven't watched this video since I put it up. More than likely I sad they have more of a chance of contracting them.

[maitriparamita]

Lesbians have a LOWER chance of catching STDs than straight women - so is heterosexuality wrong for women???

[Morlawnical]

"You're thinking about the issue on too small of a scale. If it just was just done in private and no straight person ever saw it then that's one thing. But it's being publicized and glorified. It's in tv and movies where children can watch their favorite actors act gay and they might grow up emulating that. It becomes a problem when our children will have to grow up seeing it everywhere. I wouldn't want my child to live in that world."

Violence is publicised and glorified in cinema!

[ConCityPoet]

as long as like 60% of the world isnt gay, i dont see the issue. no, same-sex couples cant procreate but the world is already overpopulated anyway. i dont see how it effects my day-to-day life if a guy wants to blow another guy or a girl wants to make out witrh another girl. as long as im not late to work because of a 3-day gay parade then im all fine and dandy. it doesnt effect me as a straight male. think to yourself "is my life any different because this guy over here likes another guy?"

[manuppowerup]

You're thinking about the issue on too small of a scale. If it just was just done in private and no straight person ever saw it then that's one thing. But it's being publicized and glorified. It's in tv and movies where children can watch their favorite actors act gay and they might grow up emulating that. It becomes a problem when our children will have to grow up seeing it everywhere. I wouldn't want my child to live in that world.

[sroHex]

Why? I only see a few major outcomes. (using he for simplicity)

He happens to be gay, and he has role models and a better standing in society.

He turns out straight, then at most he gets grossed out or experiments in college, which happens more than you'd think.

He turns out bisexual and confused by the labels people put use for sexuality. This might happen anyway.

He becomes metro, which might get him some gay bashing, but might also get him chicks.

[sroHex]

Children can also see their favorite actors shoot each other, or advertise cookies, which I think is actually killing more people than the gay acting.

The reason they don't go around shooting people and trying to tell people the wonder of cookies is because of parenting. Society will do some of the work on it's own.

You're gonna have to teach your kids not to do many things, if that's one of those things you want them not to do it is your business.

[bernardwilliams]

I have to see straight people kissing and having sex if I want to see many movies and watch the tv. Why the double standard? You objection would only hold if there was something bad about gay people kissing, etc, in the movies. You simply assume that there is, without argument.

[solandcb]

Dude, if you feel that homosexuality is wrong and you want to interpret scripture in that way, then that is your choice and your right. I interpret scripture relative to the times it was written.

I also don't make strange arguments like, "homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't lead to procreation." But if that is your value, then good for you.

My issue was with your judgments towards gays and calling me a liar. Your hypocrisy amuses me, but if that is how you want to represent YHWH...

[solandcb]

No judgment of gays eh?

Part I

"Why do homosexuals always have to make themselves known?" 8:26

Part II

"Using naive children to back up their agenda..." 3:44

"Why do homosexuals have to put someone else in their category?" 4:59

"Homosexuals must feel alienated" 4:59

"That's why they always want someone else in their club." 5:13

"Homosexuals are always calling straight people gay." 5:13

In the text comments you make the personal judgment that gay sex is purposeless and that gays can't love.

[solandcb]

Comparing homosexuality to murder, necrophilia, arguing that gays "always" call straight people gay, and claiming that people can't be biologically predisposed to certain behavior, making value judgments about how being gay is only about "sex"....you haven't presented a single fact in this entire video that would argue that homosexuality is wrong. All you have managed to do is use fallacies, equivocation, and outright lies to paint the picture you want to paint. That is what Christ taught?

[manuppowerup]

Ok...by the bible's standards. Love is a physical action. Love can't be described by words, only demonstrated through actions. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[manuppowerup]

By those constituents you choose everyone who you love. Love isn't some fuzzy feeling that goes away after time. You choose to love. Just because you have feelings for someone who is of your sex that doesn't make it love, and you don't have to act on the feelings...which would be sex. Gay people can't procreate, so what's the purpose of them having sex? Just to satisfy themselves...that's it. That's not love, it's just gay sex.

[manuppowerup]

This question goes out to everyone. If the means to an action doesn't justify the end than can it be a righteous act? If one person can live a certain way and it's right, shouldn't everyone be able to? Before you answer think about this. Men and women procreate. Men and men fornicate. If every person in the world was gay what would happen to the human race? If no one is conceiving, baring, and giving birth to children then how will the human population survive?

[manuppowerup]

If homosexuality is right then why would the human population be dramatically reduced if not extincted within a centuries time?

[solandcb]

Prove it.

[manuppowerup]

The only way to prove it would be for everyone to be gay. Hopefully that won't happen. What we can do is look at the fact that if everyone is gay, who's going to procreate? The average human lifespan is about 70 years so...do the math.

[maitriparamita]

The massive overpopulation of the world at present is caused by excessive heterosexuality.

[solandcb]

The same way it always has. Homosexuality is not new. It has always existed and the human race has not gone extinct because of it.

Now you are entitled to your opinion that gays can't have love because they can't reproduce, but you seem to be forgetting all those childless heterosexual couples, and the people who marry at an age when they are too old to conceive children. By your definition, they too can't "love".

[manuppowerup]

The only reason why the human race hasn't been extinct is because everyone isn't gay. Heterosexual couples have the potential to procreate, if not then they shouldn't be having sex, there would be no point in it but to satisfy themselves. I never said anyone can't live anyone. Gay people can love each other just as heterosexuals can love each other, sex shouldn't be involved if there's no possibility of procreation.

[solandcb]

Oh, I agree if everyone were gay then the human race would cease to exist. Also, if everyone were celibate or abstinent, then the human race would cease to exist, so by your logic, we should not advocate that lifestyle.

I'm happy to see that you admit that gays can love each other just as much as heteros can.

I do find it strange that you are so adamant against homosexuality when Christ never even spoke about it.

[manuppowerup]

YHWH didn't make any laws against celibacy or abstinence, and most people are because they're waiting for marriage like people should. You've only proved there are more than one way for the human race to become extinct. The question at hand is what would homosexuality do to the human race...No duh if people stopped having sex then we would die out. But in two separate worlds, one with gays and the other with heterosexuals. Which one would die out first if they lived by natural order?

[manuppowerup]

Anyone could love anyone no matter who they wanted to have sex with. Sex isn't love though, it never was, and it'll never be. Christ never spoke against having sex with dead squirrels but I bet it's wrong. Just because he didn't speak against it personally, (well that we know of) that doesn't mean it's not wrong. It's very possible that he did speak against it. A lot of the books of the bible were taken out, and some that were supposed to be in were not admitted. Like the apocrypha.

[solandcb]

So straight people should only have sex for the purpose of procreation? The only purpose sex has in your mind is to create babies? It isn't a life affirming experience, or a means to relieve stress, or a means to build and strengthen an emotional bond between two people, or simply an expression of love? If you wish to degrade such a beautiful gift from God as simply an act of reproduction, then feel free, but don't condemn others who aren't so shortsighted.

[manuppowerup]

Life affirming? What does that have to do with sex? Relieve stress? That's actually kind of stupid. You could smoke weed to relieve stress, sex shouldn't be used as a hobby. Sex isn't love. Sooo...you're telling me while having sex with the woman that he "loves" a guy ejaculates into a latex bag then throws it away, and that's not degrading? Or he chooses not to wear a condom and just ejaculates on her, the bed, or the floor, and that's not degrading?

[solandcb]

I'm saying that is simply your value judgment. If you honestly feel that sex is only beautiful when people procreate, then that is fine and dandy. However, heterosexuals and homosexuals alike find many more purposes for sex than simply reproduction.

[manuppowerup]

Yea...just because they do, that doesn't make it right...

[solandcb]

Everyone is entitled to their moral judgments. You obviously feel that any sex that isn't aimed toward procreation is wrong. If that is how you want to live your life, then more power to you.

However, I would not recommend judging entire groups based on your personal moral standards. Especially when you claim to follow the teachings of Christ.

[manuppowerup]

And again, I didn't judge anyone. I only judged the act of homosexuality as being wrong, not the people. So don't start lying saying I'm judging people, no...I only judged the act of it.

[solandcb]

You have a very poetic picture of Biblical love. However, God loves us so much that he will condemn us to an eternity of torture in hell if we don't love him. I don't think your love really matches.

[KingsleyLinkz]

Homosexuals must feel alienated?

err... I think thats obvious when there are many homophobic people around.

However I do agree with some of the points made, although I did see alot of exaggerations on how bad homosexuality is, I mean murder, paedophiles, come on now aren't we going a little overboard now?

They should be left to do whatever they plese with their life, I mean seriously doesn't everyone deserve to live their life without people all up in their face?!

[manuppowerup]

Exactly my point. If people can be gay, why can't they be a pedophile? Everyone does deserve to live their life without people in their faces...With that said. Why can't a pedophile be one of those people? Man can't set law because man is imperfect. He'll either set the laws to fit his own agenda, or break his own but not be persecuted because they're his. The only reason why we have morals is because we were created by a being that set them for us. Those morals aren't of in the bible.

[manuppowerup]

By the bible's standards homosexuality and murder is wrong. So why does society have to accept homosexuality but not murder? I don't think it's fair. Either both should be legal or neither...What laws are we following here? We can't cherry pick which laws of the bible we're going to follow. This country should either be required to follow none or all of them.

[KingsleyLinkz]

w8 r u seriously comparing smaller crimes to bigger crimes. how would it not be fair?

murder affects many lives physically and emotionally, whilst as u may argue being homosexual affects people emotionally. However there are people that believe against morally right things and vice versa. bt either way ur goin to b emotionally disappointed if sumthin doesnt go wit what u think is morally right, which doesnt actually make what u believe is morally right actually right. thats wat is happenin here

[maitriparamita]

We can distinguish right and wrong using common sense instead of the Bible. If something causes suffering or coercion it is wring. If it only brings happiness it is right - whatever the Bible says.

[maitriparamita]

If straight people are allowed to marry other genders they'll soon want to marry other species.