medpiano: I have the Teldec cd of this symphony with Romeo and Juliet along for the ride. Having had it for years you can imagine my pleasure when I discovered your upload. What a pleasure to see and hear such a favorite of mine, especially the 2nd movement. Thanks again, ommotmarie
Incredible. Impeccable intonation in the woodwinds, and that's not easy to do! They make it look easy but playing at this level requires the utmost concentration and listening. Wow.
SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SOOO GOOD! SHIVERS WERE RUNNING UP AND DOWN MY SKIN SO MANY TIMES! JUST RIDICULOUSLY, AWESOMELY, SUPREMELY, DIVINELY, SUMBLIMELY PERFECTLY HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Omg first off does anybody else notice what baranboim has in front of him. Exactly...nothing but his baton and the orchestra no score!!!idk how the audience sits without jumping and shouting justfrom the first movement...omg ahhhhhh that's way cool!!!!!
I grew up in a Chicago suburb learning how to play the French horn in public school. Farkas (who) was my first horn teacher. I was weaned on this orchestra. They were great in the 60's Just find some of the old Strauss recordings with Reiner. Clevenger (who) got the principal horn job in 1966. That really turned around how this brass section sounds today. Thank you Bud. Clevenger was one of my teachers :-) He turned me on to the VPO and Berger. Thank you Dale.
How exactly did such a feud erupt from an argument over applause? Wouldn't it be the conductor and orchestra's opinion on the topic that matter, rather than the viewer?
@mcphibbit03 hahahhaahaha looks like i am!!! when it comes to defending my point of view i can get nasty...sorry about that! btw my opinion stills the same!
@thetruenotamonkey what orchestra do you play in? who's the conductor. Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the history and premiere of Shostakovich 7, but its a perfect example of what I'm saying. I think we can have a civil discussion about our different views without getting nasty. I'm happy to even buy you coffee and discuss this. A war of words is just not cool anymore, let's leave that to politicians. I think we both are better than that.
@thetruenotamonkey I understand your point, but why can you not see mine? I've conducted in France, Russia, Spain, Poland, and of course here in the USA. PEOPLE CHERR MAGICAL MOMENTS! I'm 25, and I've accomplished more in conducting than most my age. The school I attended is irrelevant, but I can tell you that I've taken lessons from the biggest of names, including Barenboim.
We are in a field of collaboration, my friend. We should be more professional towards each other, esp when we disagree
@thetruenotamonkey can you name 1 composer who stated that an audience shouldn't applaud/acknowledge a movement of their work if it's captivating in live performance? I understand the formality of performance, but why should we restrict and hinder powerful emotions when a magical moment is created? I was simply stating that this performance of this movement was one of those moments. I'm sad for your audience that you get upset when they acknowledge something that you've played great.
@thetruenotamonkey ok. I'm done with you. A movement is a piece. I got my masters at 23 from one of the most prestigious schools for conducting. I was simply stating that the energy of this movement deserved an applause. I'm not going to disrespect you as you are doing to me. Best of luck.
@mcphibbit03 seriously?!and calling me ignorant was not disrespecful?or saying that keeping the applauses for the end of the last movement its nonsense wasnt either?a movement its not a piece period! for having a masters from one of the most prestigious schools for conducting and not knowing that seems contradictory. its almost like a sonata ..who applauses between movements?ive been playing violin in a symphonyc orchestra for 8 years and the applauses between movements arent very appreciated
Lyricism = noun: An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical.
By nature, this is subjective. I'm sorry if this beautiful performance of a beautiful piece of music isn't good enough for you. But don't throw about terms that are subjective.
I'm a conductor, I know the drill BUT: courtesy is IRRELEVANT in the face of purity. This performance is as masterful as the composition. It's a shame that it comes down to courtesy. Until our society does away with this nonsense, classical music will unfortunately be incapable of shedding this image that it's amazingness is primarily for the proper.
this ISNT about courtesy or drills or even a NONSENSE! is about the fact that the piece is not over....the movements are a whole...applauding just breaks the unity making the work loose its meaning...if you were really a conductor you woulve known that istead of making ridiculous comments
I'm saddened by your ignorance. 1. By definition, a symphony is a COLLECTION OF PIECES! Yes. The piece was over. 2. This is a LIVE performance, not a studio recording. You can feel the energy in the audience, why not acknowledge the PIECE?
Tchaik 6: People get so excited about the third movement, they go nuts before the finale is played. You fool, don't ever take to YouTube and try to school me.
@mcphibbit03 just cut the crap! im more saddened by your stupidity! from where did you got that definition?! wikipeda?! a symphony its not a collection of pieces! a symphony its a piece with movements( in this case 4)and the fact that its live or not its irrelevant..and by giving me that example of tchaikovskys 6th just shows peoples ignorance including yours!and what kind of conductor are you anyways? probably never conducted and orchestra before and by your obvious lack of knowledge never will
@mcphibbit03 Not trying to antagonize anyone here but I think its better to applaud and cheer the complete symphony. The crowd can remember how awesome this movement was when they cheer after the 4th movement which in this case is also amazing, it's a win win situation.
Maybe your point is more evident in the case of a symphony/concerto that has a very powerful beginning but a less impresive finale. The good part is that all Russian composers know how to save the best for last ;)
Its because it is common courtesy to hold your applause until the last Mvt. Trust me Secretly that crowd wanted to stand up and applause them even throw their babies at them...BUT they couldnt since its common courtesy.
I've always had my struggles with accepting that there is a supreme god. But if he does indeed exist, his ferocious wrath has found its way through melody from
Tchaikovsky thought suicide already during composing this one. Listen to that pain and depression. Bareboim is good, Stokovsky can show this even deeper. Bernstein is also good for Tchaiskovsky.
I agree! This stooopid "rule" of not clapping between movements is absurd. Are we really supposed to just SIT there after hearing something as rousing as this??
How do we change that cultural phenomenon? It wasn't always like that!
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand the seemingly quick transition from intense turbulence to some sort of whimsical or drunken tone at around 3:00. I need time to recover from the previous portions and yet it takes me on some sort of stupor. I hope somebody can explain what the latter passage represents and why it follows so quickly afterwards :)
I think this performance was performed at the highest possible level as if the "Mighty Chicago" wanted to make sure that the good folks from New York got to hear what the worlds greatest orchestra sounds like. I really think this was a pride thing. I have heard CSO live so many times and yet this was probably the most flawless and musical live perfromance I have heard them perform.
The section starting at 1:35 is perhaps my favorite moment in classical music. I am so lucky to be a bass player and have played this symphony. It's just so frustrating that even the Chicago Symphony has not managed to get the orchestra together with their rhythms. I wonder if Tchaikovsky thought about how hard that spot is to play before he officially finished the piece.
BTW In classicism the key of a piece meant the composition started and ended in the key (or its minor/major equivalent). Even the process in between was largely determined (centered around) the key. With timer, however, the rules were getting looser and looser. Mahler´s symphony nr5 in C sharp minor starts in C sharp minor indeed, but that is about the last moment the key appears there. And that´s why Shoenberg (and others) talked about atonal music - music where the key can´t be determined.
In the first part of this first movement I noticed that the cellos, playing the same line, had different fingering. In fact it was the female player using her (weak?) pinky and the male player using 3rd finger. Is this common? Do the players decide what fingering to use? You could get greater vibrato with 3rd finger than with 4th, right?
i have a question. I'm just starting to learn about music theory, so when they say that the symphony is played in f minor, do they mean that's where the key starts in because--tell me if i'm wrong--doesn't the key constantly change in a symphony? Like bethoveen and other classical composers would go through like all 13 key's in a single symphony. So wouldn't that make the f minor descriptor sort of silly? Just a question.
well, I think basically it means the whole story in centered in f minor. Doesn't matter where you wander to you will always go home to f minor......it's my personal opinion rather than an explanation.
The first movement finishes in minor, though. I mean, Beethoven's symphony is in c minor but finishes in C major. Dvorak's cello concerto is titled in b minor, but it finishes in B major. I think (and that's only my personal opinion...if I were wrong please go easy on me...) which key a piece is in pretty much is determined by the first movement's key.
(: Well, It determines only the first movement's key, the second movement can be basically in any key (in the classical period - a key related to the first movement by a fourth or fifth, and in the romantic - by thirds mainly :)
The key is defined normally by the signs the composer used (in this case in the score has 4 b (: ), and the ending tonality, F (major, because the third is sharp)
Yes and No. f minor describes the key of the ENTIRE symphony but just because it starts in a certain key doesn't mean that it'll always end in that key. Hence the symphony ending in F major. The different components of the entire piece are attuned to f minor but since F major shares some of the same chords it can transpose to that key also.
the woodwind section is not so good.the oboe solo has no heart inside,just notes playing.the clarinets are guiet good but i expected more from this orchestra.strings and of course brass are very very good.
Oh, well I'm glad you think that when someone is in a bigger symphony than someone else, they're automatically better. Chicago was never the number 1 orchestra, but you can bet your ass that 99% of brass players would call him the best orchestral trumpet player. Think outside the box and go listen to some recordings. NSO: Rostropovich - Shosty 5, Wiemar Staatskapelle: Wit - Alpine Symphony. Why do you think Friedman is the best? Back up your claims with some facts
I think he is the best because he has been on the orchestra for 45 years and has the most time to develop his sound. Listen to some of the recordings of the Cso such as their recordings of Gershwins compositions done in the 70's, the fantasia 2000 score, the 2007 recording of Mahler 3, thier 1992 recording of Brahms Symphony 2, and also the several recordings that they have of Bolero out, one done in 76, 84, 92, and 99(not sure about 99)
and here's my thing: it's as if this is a 'brass at all costs' orchestra. it is very exciting, no doubt (i grew up listening to them here in chicago), but sometimes i want to hear ALL the parts, not just Bud and the low brass piercing through
Do you have any of Michael Tilson Thomas' Keeping Score programs? The pilot program, MTT on Music, features a full-on amazing performance of this piece. Better than this rendition, IMO. Especially the third movement; the piccolo solo is nearly perfect.
That's exactly what happened in the "old days" and was far more appropriate. 20+minute first mvmts for concertos like Tchaik's PConc#1 or Brahms PConc #1 simply DEMAND a response from the audience, and in some countries this is totally still the norm. It's more of a respectful response not an "encore-demanding" ovation, but it's a release for the audience's emotions as well as the performers and I support it 100%. Haydn 7-8min 1st mvmts--eh, not so much. ;)
gotta love the freakin bassoon!!
elaineweaver12 3 weeks ago 2
Does anybody know the name of this??? PLEASE HELP ME
/watch?v=49NlzBzguZw&list=FLnW2bKukPsOBIUcDWhbmY1A&index=7&feature=plpp_video
varo2471 1 month ago
@varo2471 It's the overture to the Barber of Seville by Rossini
rhapsdy 1 week ago
@rhapsdy thanks hopefully I found it beforehand
varo2471 1 week ago
The man didn't need to bow at anyones altar.
TheTherese3 2 months ago
the development section of this piece is genius
syco50 3 months ago in playlist tchaikovsky symphony 4
My hats off to people that can make music this fantastic. I salute you!
wojack1000 5 months ago
medpiano: I have the Teldec cd of this symphony with Romeo and Juliet along for the ride. Having had it for years you can imagine my pleasure when I discovered your upload. What a pleasure to see and hear such a favorite of mine, especially the 2nd movement. Thanks again, ommotmarie
ommotmarie 5 months ago
3:58 is enchanting
zhangpianist 6 months ago
It's a big engine,well oiled,full power!
TheTherese3 6 months ago
I don't care that it was on;y the first movement. I would have been standing up screaming and clapping after that.
meb4noles 9 months ago 20
@meb4noles so true
nmrd123987 6 months ago
Incredible. Impeccable intonation in the woodwinds, and that's not easy to do! They make it look easy but playing at this level requires the utmost concentration and listening. Wow.
paulhorn27 9 months ago 2
@paulhorn27 As a flute player, I can not agree more :D
joejoejoe532 8 months ago
Bravo!
terryccl88 9 months ago
EPIC
MetalCode 10 months ago 2
I LIKELIKELIKELIKE LOVE LOVE LOVE THISSSS!!
joejoejoe532 10 months ago 2
SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SOOO GOOD! SHIVERS WERE RUNNING UP AND DOWN MY SKIN SO MANY TIMES! JUST RIDICULOUSLY, AWESOMELY, SUPREMELY, DIVINELY, SUMBLIMELY PERFECTLY HOLY FUCKING SHIT
MasterAzunai 10 months ago 5
@MasterAzunai haha i agree.. i'm glad i'm not the only one!
pinkfloyddwc 9 months ago
Omg first off does anybody else notice what baranboim has in front of him. Exactly...nothing but his baton and the orchestra no score!!!idk how the audience sits without jumping and shouting justfrom the first movement...omg ahhhhhh that's way cool!!!!!
boneguyrocks 10 months ago
I grew up in a Chicago suburb learning how to play the French horn in public school. Farkas (who) was my first horn teacher. I was weaned on this orchestra. They were great in the 60's Just find some of the old Strauss recordings with Reiner. Clevenger (who) got the principal horn job in 1966. That really turned around how this brass section sounds today. Thank you Bud. Clevenger was one of my teachers :-) He turned me on to the VPO and Berger. Thank you Dale.
geosulli 11 months ago
2:21 -25~rockin haha
The first subject illustrating unavoidable fate is my favourite part of the piece, so dramatic.
MrFunxy 11 months ago 2
How exactly did such a feud erupt from an argument over applause? Wouldn't it be the conductor and orchestra's opinion on the topic that matter, rather than the viewer?
MuimiMoji 11 months ago
@MuimiMoji oh man...you dont wanna go there with me! im just gonna keep my comment on that to myself!
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey are you turning down my offer of getting to know me? Haha
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 hahahhaahaha looks like i am!!! when it comes to defending my point of view i can get nasty...sorry about that! btw my opinion stills the same!
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey what orchestra do you play in? who's the conductor. Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the history and premiere of Shostakovich 7, but its a perfect example of what I'm saying. I think we can have a civil discussion about our different views without getting nasty. I'm happy to even buy you coffee and discuss this. A war of words is just not cool anymore, let's leave that to politicians. I think we both are better than that.
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 im done with this! you are impossible!
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey I understand your point, but why can you not see mine? I've conducted in France, Russia, Spain, Poland, and of course here in the USA. PEOPLE CHERR MAGICAL MOMENTS! I'm 25, and I've accomplished more in conducting than most my age. The school I attended is irrelevant, but I can tell you that I've taken lessons from the biggest of names, including Barenboim.
We are in a field of collaboration, my friend. We should be more professional towards each other, esp when we disagree
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey can you name 1 composer who stated that an audience shouldn't applaud/acknowledge a movement of their work if it's captivating in live performance? I understand the formality of performance, but why should we restrict and hinder powerful emotions when a magical moment is created? I was simply stating that this performance of this movement was one of those moments. I'm sad for your audience that you get upset when they acknowledge something that you've played great.
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 totally agree!
Boccaccio1811 9 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey ok. I'm done with you. A movement is a piece. I got my masters at 23 from one of the most prestigious schools for conducting. I was simply stating that the energy of this movement deserved an applause. I'm not going to disrespect you as you are doing to me. Best of luck.
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 seriously?!and calling me ignorant was not disrespecful?or saying that keeping the applauses for the end of the last movement its nonsense wasnt either?a movement its not a piece period! for having a masters from one of the most prestigious schools for conducting and not knowing that seems contradictory. its almost like a sonata ..who applauses between movements?ive been playing violin in a symphonyc orchestra for 8 years and the applauses between movements arent very appreciated
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 just wondering (not been sarcastic) which school?! Sibelius Academy? the Royal Academy of Music?
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
I want to hear more lyricism.
formerlyaskeptic1 1 year ago
@formerlyaskeptic1
Lyricism = noun: An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical.
By nature, this is subjective. I'm sorry if this beautiful performance of a beautiful piece of music isn't good enough for you. But don't throw about terms that are subjective.
DuffMcRigby 1 year ago 2
@MrCasicasillas
I'm a conductor, I know the drill BUT: courtesy is IRRELEVANT in the face of purity. This performance is as masterful as the composition. It's a shame that it comes down to courtesy. Until our society does away with this nonsense, classical music will unfortunately be incapable of shedding this image that it's amazingness is primarily for the proper.
mcphibbit03 1 year ago
@mcphibbit03
this ISNT about courtesy or drills or even a NONSENSE! is about the fact that the piece is not over....the movements are a whole...applauding just breaks the unity making the work loose its meaning...if you were really a conductor you woulve known that istead of making ridiculous comments
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
@thetruenotamonkey
I'm saddened by your ignorance. 1. By definition, a symphony is a COLLECTION OF PIECES! Yes. The piece was over. 2. This is a LIVE performance, not a studio recording. You can feel the energy in the audience, why not acknowledge the PIECE?
Tchaik 6: People get so excited about the third movement, they go nuts before the finale is played. You fool, don't ever take to YouTube and try to school me.
mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 just cut the crap! im more saddened by your stupidity! from where did you got that definition?! wikipeda?! a symphony its not a collection of pieces! a symphony its a piece with movements( in this case 4)and the fact that its live or not its irrelevant..and by giving me that example of tchaikovskys 6th just shows peoples ignorance including yours!and what kind of conductor are you anyways? probably never conducted and orchestra before and by your obvious lack of knowledge never will
thetruenotamonkey 11 months ago
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mcphibbit03 11 months ago
@mcphibbit03 Not trying to antagonize anyone here but I think its better to applaud and cheer the complete symphony. The crowd can remember how awesome this movement was when they cheer after the 4th movement which in this case is also amazing, it's a win win situation.
Maybe your point is more evident in the case of a symphony/concerto that has a very powerful beginning but a less impresive finale. The good part is that all Russian composers know how to save the best for last ;)
ClassicalMMAChef 11 months ago
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mcphibbit03 1 year ago
@mcphibbit03 FUCK YEAH NIGGA!!
qqwerty99 1 year ago
@mcphibbit03
@qqwerty99
Its because it is common courtesy to hold your applause until the last Mvt. Trust me Secretly that crowd wanted to stand up and applause them even throw their babies at them...BUT they couldnt since its common courtesy.
MrCasicasillas 1 year ago
How did the crowd not erupt after this movement is BEYOND me!!
mcphibbit03 1 year ago
Virtuous Composing
123MrFlauta 1 year ago
Virtuous composing
123MrFlauta 1 year ago
dis sh1t iz madd gangstaa, dat flutist at 5:38 cud blow on mah woodwind ne dayy
amirite? thumbs up if im right.
Konsept0 1 year ago
epic! sick!
dixfranke 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you say the faceless trumpet player at 8:02!
FragRaptor 1 year ago
@FragRaptor ok that's weird!
aperfectillusion 1 year ago
8:13 --> I HAVE THE POWEEEEEEEER!
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That was inspiring!
telpefanga 1 year ago
Just inspiring!
telpefanga 1 year ago
I've always had my struggles with accepting that there is a supreme god. But if he does indeed exist, his ferocious wrath has found its way through melody from
1:34-2:54
mcphibbit03 1 year ago
Well played! What a feast of Tchaikovsky. The tragedy in that piece is so immersing.
Fizzisist 1 year ago
Principle Horn is Dale Clevenger
BeowulfVids 1 year ago
Tchaikovsky thought suicide already during composing this one. Listen to that pain and depression. Bareboim is good, Stokovsky can show this even deeper. Bernstein is also good for Tchaiskovsky.
cvcgac 1 year ago
Tchaikovsky thought suicide already during composing this one. Listen to that pain and depression. Painkiller
cvcgac 1 year ago
Speechless.
maestr016 1 year ago
Fantastic..... Tchaikovsky and Baremboim
jonatanliv 1 year ago
2:12 - 2:34 gotta love that CSO brass, especially the horns and trumpets
meb4noles 1 year ago
Who was principal horn? Someone know?
Prismer6 1 year ago
I agree! This stooopid "rule" of not clapping between movements is absurd. Are we really supposed to just SIT there after hearing something as rousing as this??
How do we change that cultural phenomenon? It wasn't always like that!
Paules8460 1 year ago 2
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand the seemingly quick transition from intense turbulence to some sort of whimsical or drunken tone at around 3:00. I need time to recover from the previous portions and yet it takes me on some sort of stupor. I hope somebody can explain what the latter passage represents and why it follows so quickly afterwards :)
Treijim 1 year ago
@Treijim then you do not understand tchaikovsky's brilliance
heracles3000 1 year ago
@heracles3000 Yeah, I already said I don't understand. Why say it again? Thanks for explaining it to me, like I asked.
Treijim 1 year ago
6:20 = Invisible trumpet player
j0seff1994 1 year ago 68
@j0seff1994 w/invisible mouthpiece!
mrpankau 1 year ago
@j0seff1994 now i can't stop watching that part!!
NoMusicNoMe 9 months ago
@j0seff1994 He's first chair because there is no trumpet player, he is pure air. Therefore he is the godly principal trumpet.
VioLynn0803 1 month ago
Aaahhhh the '90s!!
sl008m 1 year ago
The ants go marching one by one, hoorah, hoorah.
Merjey 1 year ago
Bit starting at 1:02 is fantastic.
llyranor 1 year ago
I think this performance was performed at the highest possible level as if the "Mighty Chicago" wanted to make sure that the good folks from New York got to hear what the worlds greatest orchestra sounds like. I really think this was a pride thing. I have heard CSO live so many times and yet this was probably the most flawless and musical live perfromance I have heard them perform.
saxcock 1 year ago
BBRRRAAAAAAAVVVVOOOOOOOOOOO
Gotskillz88 1 year ago
I was playing this in recently and both violin sections miscounted the area of 7:15-7:50 and it sounded like the Adams Family theme song.
punkypenguin321 1 year ago
DAMN... That was hot.
murphy456 1 year ago 30
On la fait a l'osjm ce pringtemps!!
chateaulaffite 2 years ago
Muy bueno el solo de Corno Frances en el 3:17 con el Fagot
musicianckack 2 years ago 2
The section starting at 1:35 is perhaps my favorite moment in classical music. I am so lucky to be a bass player and have played this symphony. It's just so frustrating that even the Chicago Symphony has not managed to get the orchestra together with their rhythms. I wonder if Tchaikovsky thought about how hard that spot is to play before he officially finished the piece.
danbcarson 2 years ago
there are parts in this video that remind me very much of tchaikovsky 6, mainly around 2:15 i can see the similar type of writing
brickitybrax 2 years ago
Trombones. So badass at 2:39
SecretJudge 2 years ago 4
Lol, I LOVE the trombone solo in the first mvt of Mahler 3.
cellofellow1223 2 years ago
BTW In classicism the key of a piece meant the composition started and ended in the key (or its minor/major equivalent). Even the process in between was largely determined (centered around) the key. With timer, however, the rules were getting looser and looser. Mahler´s symphony nr5 in C sharp minor starts in C sharp minor indeed, but that is about the last moment the key appears there. And that´s why Shoenberg (and others) talked about atonal music - music where the key can´t be determined.
prazakvbrne 2 years ago
Yoh can't even call that in c sharp! It jumps around so much! I love mahler 5, indeed I love all mahler!
cellofellow1223 2 years ago
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Mahler is too meandering.
He doesn't exactly know where to stop.
(but that doesn't mean he doesn't touch on some beautiful points along the way)
sacramushmygoat 2 years ago
I think Mahler's music is love it hate it. I haven't yet met someone in between.
cellofellow1223 2 years ago
I agree totally. Some parts of the corno obligato part in his 5th symphony are awesome, but others are just "what?"
cornophile91 2 years ago
In the first part of this first movement I noticed that the cellos, playing the same line, had different fingering. In fact it was the female player using her (weak?) pinky and the male player using 3rd finger. Is this common? Do the players decide what fingering to use? You could get greater vibrato with 3rd finger than with 4th, right?
goodchessactor 2 years ago
In all my cello situations, players finger A Piacere, though sometimes with advice from the section leader.
cellofellow1223 2 years ago
@goodchessactor It's up to the players on what fingerings they use.
As a violist I absolutely love second position. But a lot of people hate it.
DhAoS1020 2 years ago
Mahler's symphony 5 shouldn't even be labeled as having a key!
cellofellow1223 2 years ago 2
wow, I would never have expected Tchaikovski to write this. It´s really wild, almost Mahlerian.
prazakvbrne 2 years ago
i have a question. I'm just starting to learn about music theory, so when they say that the symphony is played in f minor, do they mean that's where the key starts in because--tell me if i'm wrong--doesn't the key constantly change in a symphony? Like bethoveen and other classical composers would go through like all 13 key's in a single symphony. So wouldn't that make the f minor descriptor sort of silly? Just a question.
jakehr3 2 years ago
well, I think basically it means the whole story in centered in f minor. Doesn't matter where you wander to you will always go home to f minor......it's my personal opinion rather than an explanation.
jiamo 2 years ago
The symphony finishes in F major though, so it can't be that
JMR6916 2 years ago
The first movement finishes in minor, though. I mean, Beethoven's symphony is in c minor but finishes in C major. Dvorak's cello concerto is titled in b minor, but it finishes in B major. I think (and that's only my personal opinion...if I were wrong please go easy on me...) which key a piece is in pretty much is determined by the first movement's key.
jiamo 2 years ago
(: Well, It determines only the first movement's key, the second movement can be basically in any key (in the classical period - a key related to the first movement by a fourth or fifth, and in the romantic - by thirds mainly :)
glantz91 2 years ago
I think it means the theme is usually in f minor
luv2drum19 2 years ago
The key is defined normally by the signs the composer used (in this case in the score has 4 b (: ), and the ending tonality, F (major, because the third is sharp)
glantz91 2 years ago
Yes and No. f minor describes the key of the ENTIRE symphony but just because it starts in a certain key doesn't mean that it'll always end in that key. Hence the symphony ending in F major. The different components of the entire piece are attuned to f minor but since F major shares some of the same chords it can transpose to that key also.
Tboneslim 2 years ago
usually what it starts and ends in
bassoonguy240 2 years ago
jakehr3, I think you have a point. Also, I don't know if I agree with Barenboim's interpretations all the time.
21middleman 2 years ago
this is my favourite sympothy of tchaikovsky
cokezerogary 2 years ago
wow! Stunning!
gatomjp 2 years ago 2
this symphony is superb just like the 1812 overture
kratos56789 2 years ago 2
And at 1:38, if Bud Herseth is the principal trumet. I'm a bassoonist, I'm not sure, but it sounds like that's him if I can remember.
Also, Barenboim is doing this whole symphony without music! It's incredible!
alpal25 2 years ago
okay....at 8:04 the guy next to bud herseth on the left has an invisible head. it's really bizarre.
cookiebella512 2 years ago
wow....that is wierd!
frenchyblue92 2 years ago
the power...
cl427x 2 years ago
At 6:19 there is a ghost trumpet player xD
yulnor43 2 years ago
AAH! It boggles my mind!
Kinojii 2 years ago
thats not the wall back there.. its another music stand with a book on it covering his face up
Meanderthal17 2 years ago 2
There's another one in 1:38 o_O
ExtremePatosai 2 years ago
It's John Hagstrom!
bbopdude 2 years ago
this is the kind of music i love! i cant wait to be in our local orchestra
cozmocon 2 years ago
Ok, who's better than Chicago? Boston? Philly?...New York...I don't think so. And don't get me started on the Wiener and the europeans.
trapster911 2 years ago 2
Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra in Amsterdam!
Zwijnhaat 2 years ago
Montreal Symphony, yeehaa! XD
JMR6916 2 years ago
Southern North Dakota Philharmonica...
goodchessactor 2 years ago
Based in Hoople as I recall....
Even some of us in the UK have heard of it!
tuphty 2 years ago
BASSES FTW!
AdioBlackMentality 2 years ago
the woodwind section is not so good.the oboe solo has no heart inside,just notes playing.the clarinets are guiet good but i expected more from this orchestra.strings and of course brass are very very good.
oboistas 2 years ago
It's hard to imagine a more powerful combination of composition and orchestra, and Barenboim takes full advantage. My favorite Tchaikovsky Fourth.
JohnLowe86 2 years ago 25
you should watch the LA Phil video of Stravinsky's rite of spring. It'll knock your socks off.
Steinway12345 2 years ago
@JohnLowe86 I like how he sped it up.. funny he does it faster than the Soviets! whcih go crezy fast!
less01 1 year ago
@JohnLowe86 I love this piece and version, but I wonder if the SF Symphony Orchestra can top it?
spinynorman230 1 year ago
This is intense. I love it.
murphy456 2 years ago
excelent music bravo, nice music!!! bravo Barenboim!!
juanpst77 3 years ago
wow, i rememember watching this on TV when i was in high school... neat.
darbotron 3 years ago
look at eyes of player of oboe at 4:00 (-. he is great...
musicallo 3 years ago 4
hahahah
true xD
maxi36440529 3 years ago
Love the first bassoons part at 3:08
Nannsu 3 years ago 4
That is my favorite moment in this video, and I am a brass player.
78fairmont 2 years ago
Barenboim is a genius conductor as well as a genius pianist.
marklavar 3 years ago 2
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tchaikovsky was gay.
yomaster29 3 years ago
And that matters why?
RANDOMNAMEISRANDOMQQ 3 years ago 2
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I am just stating that his music wasnt necessarily from a normal persons mind.
yomaster29 3 years ago
WTF do you mean? Are you homophobic or what? Some of the greatest men who ever lived were gay.
marklavar 3 years ago
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well its implied.
yomaster29 3 years ago
yomaster: Of course this music wasn't from a normal person's mind - no normal person could create music this amazing! Tchaikovsky was a genius.
lilly763 2 years ago 7
true. But then technically all composers were.
yomaster29 2 years ago
Tchaikovsky is really an incredible composer!
flackie12345 3 years ago 4
Ill say it again. Jay Friedman= Best Orchestral Trombonist Ever
macree01 3 years ago 2
you need to check out Jeff Budin when he was in Pittsburgh with Mazell conducting. He would bury Friedman haha
shawnwilsontrpt 3 years ago
Jay Friedman is the principle trombonist with the number 3 or 4 orchestra in the world, Ill stick with him.
macree01 3 years ago
Oh, well I'm glad you think that when someone is in a bigger symphony than someone else, they're automatically better. Chicago was never the number 1 orchestra, but you can bet your ass that 99% of brass players would call him the best orchestral trumpet player. Think outside the box and go listen to some recordings. NSO: Rostropovich - Shosty 5, Wiemar Staatskapelle: Wit - Alpine Symphony. Why do you think Friedman is the best? Back up your claims with some facts
shawnwilsontrpt 3 years ago
I think he is the best because he has been on the orchestra for 45 years and has the most time to develop his sound. Listen to some of the recordings of the Cso such as their recordings of Gershwins compositions done in the 70's, the fantasia 2000 score, the 2007 recording of Mahler 3, thier 1992 recording of Brahms Symphony 2, and also the several recordings that they have of Bolero out, one done in 76, 84, 92, and 99(not sure about 99)
macree01 3 years ago
Isn't Pete Sullivan with the Pitts Symphony?
JMR6916 2 years ago
right now, yes. i was referring to when maazel was in town. budin of that era crushed everyone.
shawnwilsontrpt 2 years ago
i don't think i could have sat still after a performance like that.
shoelace07 3 years ago
Viva la Musica Clasica!!!
Gracias por estos regalos para el alma.
vilmadb 3 years ago
At 1:34 it looks like a headless second trumpet.
mhenrikse 3 years ago 3
I'm on the edge of my seat!
yoamolaupi 3 years ago
is that a black bass?
iWyke2 3 years ago
yeah look carefully and they are standing
Kurfie549 3 years ago
The brass section is really incredible
JohnZ622 3 years ago 22
yeah, it really is. they just got cited by gramophone as the reason why the CSO was rated the top US orchestra.
jabsomdoc 3 years ago
and here's my thing: it's as if this is a 'brass at all costs' orchestra. it is very exciting, no doubt (i grew up listening to them here in chicago), but sometimes i want to hear ALL the parts, not just Bud and the low brass piercing through
bordaz1 3 years ago
The timpani bothered me through this whole movement. The Timpani to the extreme left was a little flat. It was a beautiful movement otherwise.
Lovethieve1 3 years ago
SLAVA Barenboimu!
shtucni 3 years ago 2
the "crescendo" from 6'40'' to the end of movimento is probabily one of the most strong and expressive part of every time.
The increasing of violinos finds no comparation in any other composer.
marcopiega 3 years ago
wow.. that audience must have been paid well not to shout after that preformance. right u are, gab.
vuxta1 3 years ago 3
How could you not stand up and yell after that?! LOL! If ever something deserved between mvmt applause...oh boy, it is this performance right here...
gab1279 3 years ago 6
Do you have any of Michael Tilson Thomas' Keeping Score programs? The pilot program, MTT on Music, features a full-on amazing performance of this piece. Better than this rendition, IMO. Especially the third movement; the piccolo solo is nearly perfect.
ThaSchwab 3 years ago
i totally agree.
immafatpig 3 years ago
That's exactly what happened in the "old days" and was far more appropriate. 20+minute first mvmts for concertos like Tchaik's PConc#1 or Brahms PConc #1 simply DEMAND a response from the audience, and in some countries this is totally still the norm. It's more of a respectful response not an "encore-demanding" ovation, but it's a release for the audience's emotions as well as the performers and I support it 100%. Haydn 7-8min 1st mvmts--eh, not so much. ;)
medpiano 3 years ago 5
@medpiano I loved being in Europe where you applaud after any movement if it was particularly good. Come on America, loosen up!
mrpankau 1 year ago
Is it possible to buy this brilliant performance on DVD?
bokotej 3 years ago
My favorite interpretation of this first movimento.
marcopiega 3 years ago
Nice! That's what I'm talking about! Amazing performance!
liljohnreplogle 3 years ago
i was so enthralled with this that when the stringendo occoured i knocked over my glass of wine. i'll say it again CSO=SYMPHONIC ORCHESTRA!!!!
fliboi78 3 years ago 2
check out David McGill's color change at 3:27, that guy is a man amongst boys. superballer!!!!!!!!!!
dnpmpmang 3 years ago 2
That is a Tchaikovsky performance in a million. The CSO were just awesome under an insirational conductor. Took my breath away.
philopus81 3 years ago 3
basses all the way
whitsoxrule 3 years ago