thatcher employed the Army to fill the police ranks on the picket lines...that is so wrong on many levels......told by friend he was serving on the picket lines whilst serving in the Army......cant believe he did it and in my opinion he is a lowlife for doing so...if he had any honour he would have refused no matter what..especially has he came from mining community...treacherous beyond words.
@agaichapter25 "Agents provocateur" came from many sources.MI6,MI5 too,such was the determination to break the strike and the NUM,and disable any future action by organised working people against their so called betters,and know their place,accept what is thrown to them,stand in line and behave.The 1930,s all over again,and its coming back,along with all other ailments and diseases we thought and hoped whereconsigned to history.
Their at it again! 2.64 million unemployed now. I'm about to be made redundant in a couple of weeks from the looks of things. So thank you Mr Cameron, hope your all and well with your pockets filled to the brim, yet these next few years look so grim! We all (well most of us) want to work, your just stopping us! Were all in this together apparantly....yeh, were all in this together to bring this government down!
@luke19883 You have my sympathy,I know what its like to try and get a job during a recession,and in a time when the Tories are shutting everything down.It,s all for our own good remember,and don,t forget to go and see Meryl Streep doing her bit at the pictures.I notice they left all the pertinent stuff about taking jobs,closing down communities and condemning good working people to the scrapheap got missed out.The truth would never do now would it?.
Thatcher destroyed entire communities, turned decent working person against decent working person and sold the British worker out, she had no conscience when she condemned people to a life on the dole, I'm definetly not a tory but then again Scargill like Tony Benn is a typical champagne socialist, no fan of them either, all the average person wants is a living wage and a bit of dignity, Mrs Thatcher you let the miners down, no morals.
@MrJanesaddiction ''people left without work or hope '' yes , very true words , yet that is the legacy that Thatcher left . l had a pint ...or two ...when they buried Macgregar and l will do the same for Thatcher when she departs this earth . lts strange how that strike of 84-85 changed our lives forever ...we had 5 scabs in our pit and l will drink with a smile on my face to every one of them on thier passing . Scabs in 84/5 , Scabs today and Scabs when they go to hell
@chesielad69 lts strange , l remember actually wishing that they had got her when that bomb went off . l had never felt like that before or felt like it since for anyone else . Hate must be a powerful demon to trigger off a wish for someone's death , but there again, l still feel bitter at what she did to us , the misery and deprivation she brought to the coalmining areas of this country. Yes , l still hate her today
@crazyboyxx how much is your gas bill you thick fucking eejit where does your gas come from ? russia and other country's we are no longer self sufficient and have to depend on foriegn imports of whatever fuel you fucking numpty, we are like the farmer that grew spuds sold them all and then went to the shop to buy some, i dont give a flying fuck if your kind freeze to fucking death well you are paying your fuel bills to the multi nationals, in fact i laugh my bolox of because you are retards
@carljinks, awesome video,and the song goes so well with it, im from south wales, my whole family including me were on strike, although it was a tough year, it brought communities closer together than we will ever see again, a lot of people dont realize that a massive amount of the collieries were actually making money when they closed, it was all politics and lies, what thatcher didnt want people to know is that we were importing coal being mined by children abroad, thanks for the vid .....
You really outta read up on the subject of 'were the collieries making a profit' .Here's some simple FACTS.Of course some weren't but a lot WERE.Many collieries were in profit but the NCB & Thatcher still closed them. Consequently men that could have been earning a wage and contributing to the economy were thrown on the dole. Millions of tonnes of coal were abandoned beneath this country and millions of £s too and yet we ruin our economy by buying coal from abroad.
When Macgregor was appointed head of the NCB I knew what was going to happen to it. Decades of investment were going to be pissed away and the Industry asset stripped and flogged off. He had just done the same job on British Steel.. The man was an bean-counter and Thatcher's hatchet man.
@pimpuk isn't that the idea of nationalisation though, we have vast amounts of coal under the ground so we mine it to provide power to our homes, and then what's left we sell to other countries and if they don't want it well we keep it.
Why care about profit there were communities that were supported by the pit and when they destroyed the industry they destroyed our communities our homes and our lives. People Before Profit
Did you know that this country is now importing more coal from abroad than it has ever done........and Thatcher closed down all the coal mines......mad
@alunhughes147 but do you also know it would cost far more to mine coal in the UK than to import it from countries that know how to mine coal effectively?
@pimpUK1 A great example of what British coalmining could have been happened at Tower Colliery in South Wales . Shut by the NCB in 1994 as being uneconomical , it was bought out by its own men and worked at a profit until it finally closed in 2008. lt seems we had the wrong men at the top.
@alunhughes147 because it was "private". Nationalised industry never makes profit! The less people on the Governments payroll the better off we all would be. We have far too many politician and councilors all doing the same thing.
@EasyEs. Hullo again. I've read the earlier comments, see that you grew up in Nova Scotia. You have obviously got your information from what I would call a somewhat unreliable source. When you were a kid at school. did any politicians over there take the free milk from the childrens' mouths ? Or did they deliberately start a war to regain popularity when her governments jacket was on a shaky nail? I am not religious , but if there is a Hell then she will go straight there,do not pass "Go."
Army in police uniform bigloubhoy,no numbers. What happened in 84 is a lesson to us all. These cunts will stop at nothing to keep the working man or woman down. Hail Hail
it was Thatcher who not only destroyed thousands of jobs but mining communities. The heroic Strike of 84/85 was called to protect jobs and communities. Thatcher was prepared to
kill off a whole industry which was a valuable national energy resource in order to defeat the N.U.M. Her motive was political not economic.
Every arm of the State was used against the miners and that should never be forgotten.
You make no sense did not the miners destroy thousands of jobs by demanding that their jobs be subsidized by the taxes collected from other business limiting their ability to expand and hire more people?
@EasyEs So you think it is sensible to throw a hundred thousand miners on the dole and to destroy mining communities - I know all about that as I live in one of those communities.
Is it sensible to throw away 300 years of indeginous fuel supply and thereafter import energy supplies and coal mined by children in Colombia?
Thatcher and her state oppression destroyed jobs - not the miners they were the victims.
No but you socialist are to blame for letting it get to that point. If the mines only grew at the rate that they were able to hold their own then thousands of people would not have been in industries that were unsustainable.
Your not throwing it out, your leaving it in place until technology improves enough to make it profitable.
Not true anyhow if it was..Children work because they are desperately poor, if they didn't they would be prostitutes..something you prefer?
EasyEs I will try to be as dignified as possible. The defeat of the miners has set the British economy back to the so called good old Edwardian times, when no NHS, or hsw Act was in place. Thatchers sole purpose was to crush the Working Class, starting with her biggest nemesis,the miners. What chance have any youngsters in life when this woman has killed our coal/steel/Aluminium/shipyard industries. We'll be asked to work for a pittance. Suppose it's better than kids sweeping chimneys.
Get your facts right . First change "socialized" to "Nationalized ."
Second ..I have been fortunate enough to have been employed in the North Sea related industry for 30 + years, The money which gave Thatcher the opportunity to decimate the British economy to further her own megalomaniacal needs.She was the first British P.M. to have access to these funds, funds which kept paying for the dole queues in Britains towns and cities.
Show some compassion for people who genuinely suffered in 84
Plenty of common sense here, my not so learned friend. Yes, there were mistakes made in those dark days, as happens on battlefields during wartime...because that is what it was ..a WAR. As I have said earlier , this woman deliberately set out to destroy workers rights. First thing she did when she was elected was to give our police officers a wage rise, to ensure their backing when the proverbial shit hit the fan. I still stand by what I've said earlier.I'll SHITE on her grave.RIP COW !!!
@EasyEs Socialism puts people before profit, unlike Capilalism. There was 300 years of coal, a valuable national resource sacraficed causing us to be dependent on imported fuel - in spite of finite alternative sources of energy.
Social wealth is preferable to individual wealth i.e. National Health Service, free education etc.
It cost billions to defeat the miners when they could have been working and contributing to the national wealth.
@EasyEs May I politely say that I think you have a closed mind and no understanding of working class people and particularly of the British miners heroic struggle against the forces of Thatcher's evil State in l984/85.
Socialism is the only answer to Capalist thuggery.
My dear the biggest enemy the working class people ever had was and is socialism and the false promises of endless economic security and prosperity.
I grew up in Nova Scotia, very working class and I've learned never to trust a politician who wants me to hire him and in exchange he will take from someone and give it to me or my friends.
@EasyEs - I cannot better the brilliant contribution from johnmckinlay67 but I will say again that Thatcher waged war on the miners and mining communities. Every arm of the state was used against us including the police. The attack was not only on the NUM but on democracy itself. State oppression was her political tool - not economic.
Oh god it wasn't brilliant. I feel bad for the miners, I feel bad that people promise them full employment, that entire communities were built up on these lies and never developed enough to stand on their own two feet.
Why on earth do you people think it could go on forever, what did you expect to happen when the coal ran out or when people stopped buying it.
You cripple entire communities by making them dependent, on a false promise, and the worst part is you don't even care.
@EasyEs that a fact I get it--next time you get sick come to one of our hospitals for a couple of days and when you get out see what's left in your bank account!
@vivascargill I am not sure how the government taking my money then giving it back to me for health care somehow is revenue nutral or positive? The point is it isn't free you pay for it in one way or another through oppurtunity cost. I live in Canada and I know the joys of single payer monopolies.
@EasyEs this is a fair comment and deserves a longer answer than I can give. First private insurance companies can set their own rules -good for them but bad for a lot of other folks--also the quality of medicine has gone down as it has become an appendage to the insurance companies . Doctors no longer take have time to take a good history or read an MRI film (and the reliance on technology is really scary) properly --and I guess I believe in a sane society good care is a right,
@vivascargill Right so using 3rd parties to pay for medical care drives up the cost. This isn't a surprise to anyone who belives in market forces. The MRI was created in the UK. Had the NHS been in charge there would be maybe 500 in the world today. it took the market to make it a practical tool, affordable to millions, and improve on it every year.
So if good care is a right and the market provides the "care" not just the funding isn't isnt a free market a right then?
@EasyEs again a fair comment which calls for a longer response, 1) The market was an act of historical violence (Black act coinage etc) hardly a "right" 2) mri's in Japan cost 1/3 the us cost why? 3 your protasis is "good care" your apodosis is "care" --this is tricky logic at best "care" in the us is largely a drug delivery system. 3) You ignore the whole economic and medical question of technology--which I contend makes medicine expensive and diminished.
@vivascargill Your historical story of the markets still does not give the government or state the right to arbitrate exchanges between myself and another.
MRI's cost 1/3rd in Japan or the price is 1/3rd? you have to cite your source. perhaps due to price controls or abundance due to local industry.
I ask this with nothing but curiosity - I genuinely would like to know the answer.
It is acknowledged by most that the mines were costing the British taxpayer money for them to remain open. Why could the miners not, as Tebbit said, 'Get on yer bike' - i.e move and find other jobs? For those who say it was impossible, look at the poor, some destitute, Indian families who came to Britain with nothing, worked fantastically hard and made a wonderful life for themselves.
when i was a lad thatcher got in and me dad said watch these bastards, 5 years later we stood solid for a year alone against the establishment listened to the lies on the tv read the lies in the press but i'm proud that i didn't give in and stood side by side with my brothers in arms the scabs have had their 20 pieces of silver thats gone but the stigma of being a scab will always remain inside them just because we lost doesn't mean we were wrong
Oh very eloquent. If you call yourself working class then you automatically admit that there are upper class people. It then follows that you admit you are below certain people. Where is the sense in that?
of course were still a class society and just because mine was branded working it doesn't mean we're below anyone if anything at that time we was arrogant we felt unbeatable and would have won had we not been stabbed in the back by our own class anyway its a great song that brought back a lot of memories of the dispute may i ask what was you doing at the time
I was an apprentice at a British Aerospace factory during the strike. I had to go with the shop steward to collect for the miners. I saw how little they received from their own "class". There was very little support for them. They where undemocratic and followed a tyrant. Not the British way.
Ah'll throw in a wee Glesga kiss as well, rededdie. Aw naw..On second thoughts ..Ah'll just let that cloughers eejit choke on the shite that he talks.
After reading this comment Kettle, pot and black sprung to mind! How on earth can this 'cloughers' geezer call anybody else a "thick shit" ? In this one paragraph comment he has managed to make six spelling and grammar mistakes! Take your own advice and go back to school or college because you have just demonstrated to us all who the real thick shit is.
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Reading the doggerell below is hilarious. Amazing to think that after all this time there are still dinosaurs with their heads buried in the sand that actually believe this utter crap. It was a daft, lunatic strike instigated by a self-important megalomaniac, - Scargill.
you have no idea how inportent the mines strike was you fool ,the rich as got richer but the poor and the working class as got poorer ,Mcjobs and min wages so do you get it now
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More doggerel. It was about who was running the country, a democratically-elected government, or a crazed self-promoting despot. Scargill wasn' the solution, he was the problem. Only a few dinosaurs think otherwise, thank-God. Wake-up and smell reality.
great video and a true one . any one who text a comment like get over it or thatcher is a legend is 1 thick 2 too young to remember 3 come from a stuck up rich family .you never lived in valley that most familys worked in a pit .i seen the things people did to survive the dark days of 84 believe me it wasnt good
It took me a very long time to get a job after the strike,and the union money soon dried up so I went a long time with only my friends to depend on, luckily i was single at the time so i had no family to support but it still was a bad time for both of us.
Although we got a free holiday in Russia in 1987 we heard no more after that and to this day the NUM have totally ignored us.
I was and still am proud to be a striking miner but the NUM let us down badly.
I am one of only two striking miners in the west lothian area in Scotland ,sacked during the strike who were never reinstated, and , I have to say we were treated differently than the sacked miners in the edinburgh coalfield.
All the scottish leadership was based in edinburgh and were mostly made up of miners from Bilston Glen colliery, one of whom even managed to become an MP.
On the 20th anniversary we tried to raise the issue of the polkemmet two, but as usual we were quickly forgotten.
Thatcher may have starved the miners back to work but if she or her cronies think they destroyed our comunities they can think again.
Durham Miners Gala is still going strong, over 50,000 attendees, 70 banners and bands every 2nd Saturday in July. Villages are still commissioning new banners every year.
The champagne is on ice for when the Iron Lady goes to big free market economy in the sky
thatcher employed the Army to fill the police ranks on the picket lines...that is so wrong on many levels......told by friend he was serving on the picket lines whilst serving in the Army......cant believe he did it and in my opinion he is a lowlife for doing so...if he had any honour he would have refused no matter what..especially has he came from mining community...treacherous beyond words.
agaichapter25 1 month ago
@agaichapter25 "Agents provocateur" came from many sources.MI6,MI5 too,such was the determination to break the strike and the NUM,and disable any future action by organised working people against their so called betters,and know their place,accept what is thrown to them,stand in line and behave.The 1930,s all over again,and its coming back,along with all other ailments and diseases we thought and hoped whereconsigned to history.
MrBulldogtools 1 month ago
Their at it again! 2.64 million unemployed now. I'm about to be made redundant in a couple of weeks from the looks of things. So thank you Mr Cameron, hope your all and well with your pockets filled to the brim, yet these next few years look so grim! We all (well most of us) want to work, your just stopping us! Were all in this together apparantly....yeh, were all in this together to bring this government down!
luke19883 2 months ago
@luke19883 You have my sympathy,I know what its like to try and get a job during a recession,and in a time when the Tories are shutting everything down.It,s all for our own good remember,and don,t forget to go and see Meryl Streep doing her bit at the pictures.I notice they left all the pertinent stuff about taking jobs,closing down communities and condemning good working people to the scrapheap got missed out.The truth would never do now would it?.
MrBulldogtools 2 months ago
athur scargill ARTHUR SCARGIL WELL SUPPORT U EVA MORE LUV U BROTha XXX jon lennon my legend rip mates how does it look from up there matey?
jestervision595 3 months ago
Thatcher destroyed entire communities, turned decent working person against decent working person and sold the British worker out, she had no conscience when she condemned people to a life on the dole, I'm definetly not a tory but then again Scargill like Tony Benn is a typical champagne socialist, no fan of them either, all the average person wants is a living wage and a bit of dignity, Mrs Thatcher you let the miners down, no morals.
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@MrJanesaddiction ''people left without work or hope '' yes , very true words , yet that is the legacy that Thatcher left . l had a pint ...or two ...when they buried Macgregar and l will do the same for Thatcher when she departs this earth . lts strange how that strike of 84-85 changed our lives forever ...we had 5 scabs in our pit and l will drink with a smile on my face to every one of them on thier passing . Scabs in 84/5 , Scabs today and Scabs when they go to hell
alunhughes147 5 months ago
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alunhughes147 5 months ago
in a quirk of fate, had thatcher not gone for for a shit that night in brighton
chesielad69 5 months ago
@chesielad69 lts strange , l remember actually wishing that they had got her when that bomb went off . l had never felt like that before or felt like it since for anyone else . Hate must be a powerful demon to trigger off a wish for someone's death , but there again, l still feel bitter at what she did to us , the misery and deprivation she brought to the coalmining areas of this country. Yes , l still hate her today
alunhughes147 5 months ago 2
@crazyboyxx how much is your gas bill you thick fucking eejit where does your gas come from ? russia and other country's we are no longer self sufficient and have to depend on foriegn imports of whatever fuel you fucking numpty, we are like the farmer that grew spuds sold them all and then went to the shop to buy some, i dont give a flying fuck if your kind freeze to fucking death well you are paying your fuel bills to the multi nationals, in fact i laugh my bolox of because you are retards
31kerryboy 8 months ago
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@crazyboyxx you thick twat
31kerryboy 8 months ago
@carljinks, awesome video,and the song goes so well with it, im from south wales, my whole family including me were on strike, although it was a tough year, it brought communities closer together than we will ever see again, a lot of people dont realize that a massive amount of the collieries were actually making money when they closed, it was all politics and lies, what thatcher didnt want people to know is that we were importing coal being mined by children abroad, thanks for the vid .....
eeviewonders 9 months ago 2
@pimpUK1
You really outta read up on the subject of 'were the collieries making a profit' .Here's some simple FACTS.Of course some weren't but a lot WERE.Many collieries were in profit but the NCB & Thatcher still closed them. Consequently men that could have been earning a wage and contributing to the economy were thrown on the dole. Millions of tonnes of coal were abandoned beneath this country and millions of £s too and yet we ruin our economy by buying coal from abroad.
RattlesnakeBob 9 months ago
@crazyboyxx Your views go well with your name.....crazy .
alunhughes147 1 year ago
When Macgregor was appointed head of the NCB I knew what was going to happen to it. Decades of investment were going to be pissed away and the Industry asset stripped and flogged off. He had just done the same job on British Steel.. The man was an bean-counter and Thatcher's hatchet man.
sonofcy 1 year ago
@pimpuk isn't that the idea of nationalisation though, we have vast amounts of coal under the ground so we mine it to provide power to our homes, and then what's left we sell to other countries and if they don't want it well we keep it.
outfirstball 1 year ago
Why care about profit there were communities that were supported by the pit and when they destroyed the industry they destroyed our communities our homes and our lives. People Before Profit
longhairedbuck 1 year ago
Did you know that this country is now importing more coal from abroad than it has ever done........and Thatcher closed down all the coal mines......mad
alunhughes147 1 year ago
@alunhughes147 but do you also know it would cost far more to mine coal in the UK than to import it from countries that know how to mine coal effectively?
pimpUK1 1 year ago
@pimpUK1 A great example of what British coalmining could have been happened at Tower Colliery in South Wales . Shut by the NCB in 1994 as being uneconomical , it was bought out by its own men and worked at a profit until it finally closed in 2008. lt seems we had the wrong men at the top.
alunhughes147 1 year ago
@alunhughes147 because it was "private". Nationalised industry never makes profit! The less people on the Governments payroll the better off we all would be. We have far too many politician and councilors all doing the same thing.
pimpUK1 1 year ago
Nice upload , but remember John Lennon funded the IRA at the height of the troubles !
spursloyal71 1 year ago 2
@spursloyal71 so fucking what. if he'd been funding them when they hit brighton maybe they'd have got the right room and there endeth the problem.
mrtunegoon 1 year ago
Many Thanks!
solidaritet2010 1 year ago
remember the Elvis Costello song "Tramp the dirt down"? There can be no forgiveness - either side of Hell.
LittleDevilVideos 1 year ago
We are returning to troubled times, i just hope that the people of this country have got what it takes to fight back.
fatboi99 1 year ago
@cloughers How dare you justify the evil Tories selfish actions
krazykeys88 1 year ago
@krazykeys88 that's easy he's an asshole
vivascargill 1 year ago
I learned today that Peter died today--the world has lost a working class hero!!
vivascargill 1 year ago
Cloughers maybe a spell check next time but well said. It was Scargill who fucked the lazy bastards up not Thatcher. Cunts got what they deserved
rikkajersey 1 year ago
@rikkajersey fuck off
vivascargill 1 year ago
Capitalism the organised robbery of the working class
arzoyan 1 year ago
@EasyEs. Hullo again. I've read the earlier comments, see that you grew up in Nova Scotia. You have obviously got your information from what I would call a somewhat unreliable source. When you were a kid at school. did any politicians over there take the free milk from the childrens' mouths ? Or did they deliberately start a war to regain popularity when her governments jacket was on a shaky nail? I am not religious , but if there is a Hell then she will go straight there,do not pass "Go."
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago 2
Army in police uniform bigloubhoy,no numbers. What happened in 84 is a lesson to us all. These cunts will stop at nothing to keep the working man or woman down. Hail Hail
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago
it was Thatcher who not only destroyed thousands of jobs but mining communities. The heroic Strike of 84/85 was called to protect jobs and communities. Thatcher was prepared to
kill off a whole industry which was a valuable national energy resource in order to defeat the N.U.M. Her motive was political not economic.
Every arm of the State was used against the miners and that should never be forgotten.
nuafc 2 years ago 2
You make no sense did not the miners destroy thousands of jobs by demanding that their jobs be subsidized by the taxes collected from other business limiting their ability to expand and hire more people?
EasyEs 2 years ago
How did Arthur Scargill cost thousands of jobs?
Doniedaff 2 years ago
Opportunity cost..seriously..you didn't know about that.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs So you think it is sensible to throw a hundred thousand miners on the dole and to destroy mining communities - I know all about that as I live in one of those communities.
Is it sensible to throw away 300 years of indeginous fuel supply and thereafter import energy supplies and coal mined by children in Colombia?
Thatcher and her state oppression destroyed jobs - not the miners they were the victims.
nuafc 2 years ago 2
No but you socialist are to blame for letting it get to that point. If the mines only grew at the rate that they were able to hold their own then thousands of people would not have been in industries that were unsustainable.
Your not throwing it out, your leaving it in place until technology improves enough to make it profitable.
Not true anyhow if it was..Children work because they are desperately poor, if they didn't they would be prostitutes..something you prefer?
EasyEs 2 years ago
EasyEs I will try to be as dignified as possible. The defeat of the miners has set the British economy back to the so called good old Edwardian times, when no NHS, or hsw Act was in place. Thatchers sole purpose was to crush the Working Class, starting with her biggest nemesis,the miners. What chance have any youngsters in life when this woman has killed our coal/steel/Aluminium/shipyard industries. We'll be asked to work for a pittance. Suppose it's better than kids sweeping chimneys.
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago
What killed your coal/steel/coal/aluminum/shipyard industries is when you socialized them and allowed them become uncompetitive and inefficent.
If your youngsters need a government subsidized industry to get a job then your country has very serious problems friend.
EasyEs 2 years ago
Get your facts right . First change "socialized" to "Nationalized ."
Second ..I have been fortunate enough to have been employed in the North Sea related industry for 30 + years, The money which gave Thatcher the opportunity to decimate the British economy to further her own megalomaniacal needs.She was the first British P.M. to have access to these funds, funds which kept paying for the dole queues in Britains towns and cities.
Show some compassion for people who genuinely suffered in 84
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago 2
Show some common sense and don't confuse making false promises or defending them as compassion.
EasyEs 2 years ago
Plenty of common sense here, my not so learned friend. Yes, there were mistakes made in those dark days, as happens on battlefields during wartime...because that is what it was ..a WAR. As I have said earlier , this woman deliberately set out to destroy workers rights. First thing she did when she was elected was to give our police officers a wage rise, to ensure their backing when the proverbial shit hit the fan. I still stand by what I've said earlier.I'll SHITE on her grave.RIP COW !!!
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago
And yes the miners were victims of socialism. Your not paying me to cut down trees in my backyard.. are you therefor destroying a jobs?
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs Socialism puts people before profit, unlike Capilalism. There was 300 years of coal, a valuable national resource sacraficed causing us to be dependent on imported fuel - in spite of finite alternative sources of energy.
Social wealth is preferable to individual wealth i.e. National Health Service, free education etc.
It cost billions to defeat the miners when they could have been working and contributing to the national wealth.
nuafc 2 years ago 2
There still is 300 years worth of coal it didn't go anywhere..
Okay maybe you don't want to make a profit mining coal. Still you should recover your operating costs, which socialist never do.
How well would your national health service work with out the gifts from the free market, you know MRI's CT scanners, cancer drugs, research, drugs?
There is a difference between government funded and government run that you seem to miss.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs May I politely say that I think you have a closed mind and no understanding of working class people and particularly of the British miners heroic struggle against the forces of Thatcher's evil State in l984/85.
Socialism is the only answer to Capalist thuggery.
nuafc 2 years ago 2
My dear the biggest enemy the working class people ever had was and is socialism and the false promises of endless economic security and prosperity.
I grew up in Nova Scotia, very working class and I've learned never to trust a politician who wants me to hire him and in exchange he will take from someone and give it to me or my friends.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs - I cannot better the brilliant contribution from johnmckinlay67 but I will say again that Thatcher waged war on the miners and mining communities. Every arm of the state was used against us including the police. The attack was not only on the NUM but on democracy itself. State oppression was her political tool - not economic.
nuafc 2 years ago 4
Oh god it wasn't brilliant. I feel bad for the miners, I feel bad that people promise them full employment, that entire communities were built up on these lies and never developed enough to stand on their own two feet.
Why on earth do you people think it could go on forever, what did you expect to happen when the coal ran out or when people stopped buying it.
You cripple entire communities by making them dependent, on a false promise, and the worst part is you don't even care.
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs that a fact I get it--next time you get sick come to one of our hospitals for a couple of days and when you get out see what's left in your bank account!
vivascargill 1 year ago
@vivascargill I am not sure how the government taking my money then giving it back to me for health care somehow is revenue nutral or positive? The point is it isn't free you pay for it in one way or another through oppurtunity cost. I live in Canada and I know the joys of single payer monopolies.
EasyEs 1 year ago
@EasyEs this is a fair comment and deserves a longer answer than I can give. First private insurance companies can set their own rules -good for them but bad for a lot of other folks--also the quality of medicine has gone down as it has become an appendage to the insurance companies . Doctors no longer take have time to take a good history or read an MRI film (and the reliance on technology is really scary) properly --and I guess I believe in a sane society good care is a right,
vivascargill 1 year ago
@vivascargill Right so using 3rd parties to pay for medical care drives up the cost. This isn't a surprise to anyone who belives in market forces. The MRI was created in the UK. Had the NHS been in charge there would be maybe 500 in the world today. it took the market to make it a practical tool, affordable to millions, and improve on it every year.
So if good care is a right and the market provides the "care" not just the funding isn't isnt a free market a right then?
EasyEs 1 year ago
@EasyEs again a fair comment which calls for a longer response, 1) The market was an act of historical violence (Black act coinage etc) hardly a "right" 2) mri's in Japan cost 1/3 the us cost why? 3 your protasis is "good care" your apodosis is "care" --this is tricky logic at best "care" in the us is largely a drug delivery system. 3) You ignore the whole economic and medical question of technology--which I contend makes medicine expensive and diminished.
vivascargill 1 year ago
@vivascargill Your historical story of the markets still does not give the government or state the right to arbitrate exchanges between myself and another.
MRI's cost 1/3rd in Japan or the price is 1/3rd? you have to cite your source. perhaps due to price controls or abundance due to local industry.
What economic and medical question am I ignoring?
EasyEs 1 year ago
@nuafc why waste your time with these imbeciles? ALL GLORY TO WAPC AND THE MINERS!! CAN"T WAIT TO DANCE ON THATCHER'S GRAVE!!
vivascargill 2 years ago 2
Scargil ,ignorant self centred wanker who along withThatcher cost thousands of jobs,I spit on both your graves!
snarlybitch 2 years ago
@snarlybitch you do not deserve a polite comment fuck off
vivascargill 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
check out ( JOHN MCCULLAGH "ILL DANCE ON YOUR GRAVE MRS THATCHER".....on youtube pr myspace,well worth a listen
LARRSON77 2 years ago
nice vid, great tune, all hail arthur, some dipshit comments below, from mr aerospace, hhmm,
TheRatmandude 2 years ago
so i hear maggie thatchers a whore...
cmcozad54 2 years ago
I ask this with nothing but curiosity - I genuinely would like to know the answer.
It is acknowledged by most that the mines were costing the British taxpayer money for them to remain open. Why could the miners not, as Tebbit said, 'Get on yer bike' - i.e move and find other jobs? For those who say it was impossible, look at the poor, some destitute, Indian families who came to Britain with nothing, worked fantastically hard and made a wonderful life for themselves.
blackeagle0803 2 years ago
when i was a lad thatcher got in and me dad said watch these bastards, 5 years later we stood solid for a year alone against the establishment listened to the lies on the tv read the lies in the press but i'm proud that i didn't give in and stood side by side with my brothers in arms the scabs have had their 20 pieces of silver thats gone but the stigma of being a scab will always remain inside them just because we lost doesn't mean we were wrong
chesielad69 2 years ago 6
you are a hero!
vivascargill 2 years ago
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Why do all these working class heros live in big houses and drive rollers?
southsieed 2 years ago
yeah baby, we all do.
I tek it thou can spell betta than mesen?
Working class people drive the world.
And real working class people elevate themselves, beyond the establishment.
Long live the Working Class
yorvik21 2 years ago 2
piss off and shut up!
vivascargill 2 years ago
Oh very eloquent. If you call yourself working class then you automatically admit that there are upper class people. It then follows that you admit you are below certain people. Where is the sense in that?
southsieed 2 years ago
of course were still a class society and just because mine was branded working it doesn't mean we're below anyone if anything at that time we was arrogant we felt unbeatable and would have won had we not been stabbed in the back by our own class anyway its a great song that brought back a lot of memories of the dispute may i ask what was you doing at the time
chesielad69 2 years ago
I was an apprentice at a British Aerospace factory during the strike. I had to go with the shop steward to collect for the miners. I saw how little they received from their own "class". There was very little support for them. They where undemocratic and followed a tyrant. Not the British way.
southsieed 2 years ago
@southsieed shut up you imbreading hick go fuck your dad some more piece of shit i would love to beat you with an inch of your life
gutturrat 2 years ago
I very much doubt you would be physically capable of that. Your spelling and grammar show what an uneducated idiot you really are.
southsieed 2 years ago
@southsieed I repeat piss off and shut up!
vivascargill 2 years ago
Ah typical leftie...run out of ideas already
southsieed 2 years ago
no you fuckin wont !
theblackmafia71 2 years ago
Clouhers
So you were there then were you?
From your profile, your mum hadn't given birth yet let alone dropped you on your head.
sonofcy 2 years ago 2
Great video, nicely done great choice of music, thanks for posting
sonofcy 2 years ago
This cloughers needs a good old geordie kiss. he clearly doesnt have any knowledge of the strikes. And he deserves a bloody good kicking.
rededdie79 2 years ago 4
Ah'll throw in a wee Glesga kiss as well, rededdie. Aw naw..On second thoughts ..Ah'll just let that cloughers eejit choke on the shite that he talks.
johnmckinlay67 2 years ago
I wonder where middle class Cloughers was edumacated?
skcodyerrus 2 years ago
After reading this comment Kettle, pot and black sprung to mind! How on earth can this 'cloughers' geezer call anybody else a "thick shit" ? In this one paragraph comment he has managed to make six spelling and grammar mistakes! Take your own advice and go back to school or college because you have just demonstrated to us all who the real thick shit is.
carljinks 2 years ago 4
@carljinks hey i got a good idea why don't you EAT SHIT and die! unlike honorable conservatives below--this is the only response you merit
vivascargill 1 year ago
wanker u have no idea
adampc22 2 years ago
And what as the banks done ....
steelcityred 2 years ago
what do u mean by "proper job" do you mean work for a bank or in a a shop and work for shit wages and be worked like a slave .
steelcityred 2 years ago
Great song, great photos!
The day the bitch dies will be a cracker!
kingcal06 2 years ago
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Reading the doggerell below is hilarious. Amazing to think that after all this time there are still dinosaurs with their heads buried in the sand that actually believe this utter crap. It was a daft, lunatic strike instigated by a self-important megalomaniac, - Scargill.
HeavensGremlin 2 years ago
you have no idea how inportent the mines strike was you fool ,the rich as got richer but the poor and the working class as got poorer ,Mcjobs and min wages so do you get it now
steelcityred 2 years ago 2
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More doggerel. It was about who was running the country, a democratically-elected government, or a crazed self-promoting despot. Scargill wasn' the solution, he was the problem. Only a few dinosaurs think otherwise, thank-God. Wake-up and smell reality.
HeavensGremlin 2 years ago
you are a fool
escortmk112 2 years ago
Tonight there's a big anniversary event in Durham 7pm till 12 pm. Beer, Banners and Banter.
25 years on and still defiant. Mining community solidarity will live on long after Thatcher and her nazi cohorts shuffle off their mortal coils
steelbanktrucker 3 years ago 5
WELL SAID COULDNT PUT IT BETTER MYSELF
1983toby19947N531 3 years ago 5
Cheers,
The night was a complete success. Roll on the Durham Miners Gala, July 11th!!
steelbanktrucker 3 years ago
great video and a true one . any one who text a comment like get over it or thatcher is a legend is 1 thick 2 too young to remember 3 come from a stuck up rich family .you never lived in valley that most familys worked in a pit .i seen the things people did to survive the dark days of 84 believe me it wasnt good
1983toby19947N531 3 years ago 10
Or all 3 mate!
carljinks 3 years ago
well said comrade, im just waiting for the day the old hag goes to hell
phelan84 2 years ago
The banners are ready and the champagne's on ice!!
steelbanktrucker 3 years ago 4
It took me a very long time to get a job after the strike,and the union money soon dried up so I went a long time with only my friends to depend on, luckily i was single at the time so i had no family to support but it still was a bad time for both of us.
Although we got a free holiday in Russia in 1987 we heard no more after that and to this day the NUM have totally ignored us.
I was and still am proud to be a striking miner but the NUM let us down badly.
The polkemmet two.
sydsfloyd 3 years ago 8
I am one of only two striking miners in the west lothian area in Scotland ,sacked during the strike who were never reinstated, and , I have to say we were treated differently than the sacked miners in the edinburgh coalfield.
All the scottish leadership was based in edinburgh and were mostly made up of miners from Bilston Glen colliery, one of whom even managed to become an MP.
On the 20th anniversary we tried to raise the issue of the polkemmet two, but as usual we were quickly forgotten.
sydsfloyd 3 years ago 4
When Thatcher DIES I will join any street party.......bring it on!
Halboy10 3 years ago 16
Halboy10
Re the party
Venue: Trafalgar Square
Date: To be confirmed
steelbanktrucker 3 years ago 3
Thatcher may have starved the miners back to work but if she or her cronies think they destroyed our comunities they can think again.
Durham Miners Gala is still going strong, over 50,000 attendees, 70 banners and bands every 2nd Saturday in July. Villages are still commissioning new banners every year.
The champagne is on ice for when the Iron Lady goes to big free market economy in the sky
25 Years Lest We Forget
steelbanktrucker 3 years ago 5
to think they are opening up the pits again. it had nothing to do with tory politicians being major share holders of the docks, where we imported it!
criminal!
just a pity labour is doing it now!
madt7873 3 years ago 4
It was a bright cold day in April and the clocks were striking thirteen.
MinersStrike25Years 3 years ago 3
socialism and peace
limebloom 3 years ago 4