You Tube attracts the most stupid ignorant comments imaginable. People are invited to give their opinion on a film clip, not to show the world just what brainless foul minds that they have.
the british where on thier knees(lack of pilots and aircrafts,they were totaly destroyed by the luftvafe)!!! every body knows that well...but the big error thet hitler made was that he changed the tactics in the last minute>instead of carring on bombing the military targets(wich were also totaly destroyed) he started bombing the cities and towns wich later was proved as a disaster!!!!!!!
Why? Because there are no CGI effects? Pearl Harbor was an awful film! Historically inaccurate,crammed full of CGI effects with the fighters all sounding like Pitt Specials and doing impossible manouvres.Give me the likes of The Battle of Britain,Tora Tora Tora,Patton and A Bridge Too Far any day!
@Timariod Please ignore Richard Elden. He goes from one thread to another attacking old films and claiming they lost money just to rile people up. Trolls starve if you don't feed them.
this film did not flop! it it responsable for so much air craft restoration is one and also the british tradition of airshows and DUXFORD IWM prob the best museam in in the world italso told what happend with out holywoodism ie the yanks won bob iknow the yanks where as eagle sqd it is quit hitoricaly correct only mistake are;buchons not 109 he111 are casa(spanish versions like buchons) and mr warwick shouts to suzi york "put that light out the gas main has gone) mkx1x spit in distant shots.
There are three names you should always remember when recounting The Battle of Britain....Air Chief Marshall Baron Hugh Dowding(a Scot),Air Vice Marshall Sir Keith Park(a New Zealander) and of course Prime Minister Sir Winston Spencer Churchill.Without these three men at the helm in 1940 the world may have been a very different place today.
I see we've got lots of company for the the wild albino of winkileaks - he's a soggy loony left euro weiner as well. Bring back Red Ken and the TUC! Beside, if you point fingers at the 'mericans often enough, maybe people will forget the sins of the British Empire, the French Empire, the Dutch Empire, the Belgian Empire, the Spanish empire ... do i detect pattern, euro weiners?
Ahem! My friends we must rally behind the cause: to correct those who are following what I believe is known as, The American view of history. We must endeavour to correct those who get their factual knowledge from films such as pearl Harbour and believe that america wins everything, the rest of the world is wrong and god bless america.
Instead of questioning each others nations contribution in defeating the most evil & murderous regimes imaginable, we should perhaps realise that none of our countries could have achieved the destruction of the Nazis and Japanese alone & count our blessings that we ALL had exceptional men who had the courage to fight for our freedom. In particular those that paid the ultimate sacrifice.
@Strawberry7Lynn Hmmm, good question! I would hazard a guess at it being the use of mock-ups; this production involved not only the sourcing of the largest-ever collection of vintage warbirds assembled for a movie, but also the construction of large r/c models of Ju-87 and Bf-110's AND the conversion of several Proctors into Stuka simulants - I don't think some mock-up Hurri's and Spits for destruction on the ground was beyond the budget!
@Strawberry7Lynn All aircraft being destroyed were glassfibre mock-ups. Some with 2-stroke engines installed in the nose to turn the propellers.
32 "Heinkels" were use in the ground scenes. Several of them were assembled from a scrapheap, so only about 17 could fly. The big formation scenes utilized tricks.
@oriola26 You should be proud. England showed itself to be made of iron. Those brave boys in their Hurricanes and Spitfires (and all the dedicated support people at Fighter Command) are a monument to the spirit of free peoples. Luftwaffe Ace Gunther Rall said RAF pilots were the best he flew against...although in my nations defense he did say that by the time he fought Americans there were just so many it was hard to tell how good they were.
WWI started with Germany getting uncomfortable with their reducing wealth coming in into their gdp, and after that, with everything, oh fuck bigstyle....
No, WWI started with the Yugoslavians murdering the Austrian heir to the throne. We then went to war with them and the whole system of alliances in western/middle Europe kicked in.
Germany certainly didnt start it, it was only made the "black sheep" by the victors through the treaty of Versailles which itself lay the path for the second war.
Maybe actually care to pick up a history book next time before posting stupid shit, m'kay?
You gotta hand it to those Tommies. THey held the line, and much, much more. BTW, the opening theme "Luftwaffe March", is the best damn marshall music I've ever heard. Ron Goodwin, out nazied the Nazis, in terms of music. Great theme.
Whats the difference between winning or losing the Battle of Britain? None to most Americans. Either way they think their tanks rolled down the streets of London liberating the capital from the Germans.
but they would have toinvade england first...and while teh normandy was easy to reach...it would have been much harder to bring a big invasion force across teh atlantic...and you couldnt trust in parachute troops to defend your flanks and take over important briges
Even the dumbest American knows that we did not liberate London. We are all lucky that the Germans started bombing London and gave the airfields a break. Without Britain the war would have been lost. Hell actually most Americans think we rolled into Berlin by ourselves.
@JamTheMan4Chelsea OMFG WILL U STFU all of you stupid ass fucking faggots, IM AMERICAN i know if britiain lost wed be german too, stop fucking sterotyping us , yes theres a lot of stupid americans trust me i know but theres also alot of smart ppl here, but if ur smart here no one likes you
That's a prejudiced thing to say. Why would you sully a great moment in history, where one small group of people rose up to defend their homeland from a much larger invading force, with nationalistic bigotry and prejudice? Some people seem to always be looking for a way to stick in their personal agenda when talking about any given battle of World War 2, and it's starting to make me ill.
@JamTheMan4Chelsea this is total rubbish, as if the Germans had taken Great Britain, any invading force from USA would have been blown out of the sky and water-there would have been aerodromes in west ireland
and all over British mainland, and submarines to knock out troop carriers-need i go on, as it is more likely that Russian tanks would be rolling down streets of London as liberators
-no British navy - all British ports controlled by Germans, who also would have had TOTAL air superiority over half the Atlantic
- U-boats would have run riot, based in British ports and harbours,
-American tanks would have been sunk in mid-atlantic with their carriers
-i am a BRIT but I think your thoughts of an American force taking back Great Britain under Nazi control, are at the least fanciful- fairytale in reality
Highly more probable that the russians would probably manage to move to west during ww2... but ending with russian occupation (as liberators after the german invasion) of Great Britain wouldn't have been much more fun than the german occupation.
I agree absolutely with you. But you need to go easy... you know, americans still believe that they won the war all alone. Another true fact we can be grateful due to 'hollywood crap'.
And you know why it wouldn't make a difference to them? Because - putting it nicely - americans have pretty much no clue about anything going on in the world. If England had passed away... never they would have crossed the atlantic to get it back. It would have needed that much time to even try it, that the german technological supremacy would have knocked them out.
Already the many 'thumbs up' you got for a naive remark shows how much they know about it.
The ME109s used Rolls Royce Merlin engines in the film as they were from the Spainish airforce as were the HE111 bombers which also used the Merlins rather than the original Mercedes Benz engines of the originals. Obviously the film had to use whatever planes were still around. Some of the Spitfires are later models than the Mk1 and 2's used at the time but I think we can overlook that. Still holds up as a great film and a well researched and shot piece of movie history.
@atom2009 shame we don't have enough airworthy aircraft to be used in films now, have you seen the trailer for red tails? Not one real footage of aircraft in it.
If you look hard on the Spitfires you can notice the exhaust pipes and bulkier engines denoting they be later models, but as conversions they're pretty accurate, wing-tips, cockpit canopies and rudders all adjusted to Mk 1 type.
if Germany had all its forces to invade it Russia it may have won with us as a thorn in its side it was unable to .ALL the allied powers played there part.
The threat of invasion was over long before the U.S. Government decided to grow a spine and get involved. In actual fact your Generals seen the plans of operation sea lion and the British defence lines placed around Britain from southern England to the north west coast of Scotland, they would have been anihilated according to them had they chosen to invade.
Even the German Navy commander Raeder knew that the Nazis could not effect a successful cross-channel invasion. If you are looking at the real war winners then the Soviets probably have a greater claim.
Im talking about Legendthrills81's comment. Everyone says how the British would be speaking German but they seem to forget that one way or the other, Germany would have lost the war, and in that peace treaty would be a big piece of bold writing saying 'GIVE BRITAIN ITS LAND BACK'. But hey! People dont think.
Really? You didn't turn up for another 18 months and only because FDR had the guts to drag you kicking and screaming into the war. You give all the brave US soldiers a bad name. It was an allied effort, otherwise you too would be eating sushi or sauerkraut rather than getting fat on burgers.
@Legendthriller81 Oh really? The Soviets won the war. Britain defended itself, and you would have stayed neutral if not for the attack on Pearl Harbor - I forgot in America you won the war single handedly didn't you, despite the fact it was most likely the Soviet Union, they sacrificed the most, and they gained the most - they beat the Nazis right back to the Reichstag, threw down their banner and raised the soviet flag for all to see.
@Perilix The war was won by all the Allies. 8 out of 10 Wehrmacht soldiers were killed by the Red Army yes. And personally I don't know why we shed our blood and treasure to save a abunch of anti-American socialistic (soon to be Muslim) Eurotrash. If that continent wanted to commit mas suicide we should have let them and just deal with the Japanese (who we were also fighting at the same time). I wish the Red Army had gone to the channel. Then you'd be BEGGING for American help (yawn) AGAIN.
@Shafeone its funny cause in both world wars usa joined near the end. Especially when germans russians etc were tired of fighting. USA if they joined early in the war. would have probably be a hero. but since you joined near the end. your not heroes or anything of such. it took pearl harbor to get your lazy asses to realize theres a war going on
@thelittlemind The war started in sept. 1939. We entered in December 1941. There was much downtime too in 1940 before the Battle of France/Britain. Barbaross was June 1941. So we entered the war six months after the USSR. Late to the game? C'mon. And do you honestly think that both Nazi German AND Imperial Japan would have been defeated without the US? No friggin way. And ALL of Europe would have been communist IF the Russians won...without threat of second front doubtful.
@thelittlemind And to this day the US getting ibvolved in WW1 at all (even if just the last year) was the biggest waste of blood and treasure in our history. What for? Wilsonian delusions? Next time tell you what Eurotrash...how about the USA just not show up and let you guys massacre each other wholesale? Deal? Works for me. Just be careful what you wish for.
@Shafeone im american. and all i fucking hear in us history is how great we were in saving europe blah blah blah. Sure go ahead dont get involved then you would have faced communism all alone even when the cold war happened you didnt do shit. you let other countries fight in your steed. it took poland ukraine and czech to bring communism to an end not FUCKING USA
@thelittlemind What history classes did YOU go to? All I hear is how we were a slave state that in our spare time massacred INdians! And there are 38,000 dead Americans in Korea who would find issue with your statement that in the Cold War we didn't do shit. Marshall Plan. Berlin Airlift. Challenging the USSR in an arm race that bled it dry leading to Glasnost and its collapse. You are as ignorant as you are bitter. Leave then. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
@thelittlemind LOL. You have to be willing to put boots on the ground to be 'embarrassed'. And of course the politicians, not the American fighting man, lost Vietnam. As for Korea, I think there are 38 million South Koreans who are glad we showed up. Although the brave Europeans did put in about 10,000 troops so thank God for them. Go away little European man. Don'tyou have a new mosque to go kow-tow in? No one roots for Goliath...until the Germans come of course! Or Muslims. LOL
@thelittlemind Once again your history knowledge is astounding. The UN (your favorite body) passed a resolution calling for the re-unification of Korea just after our BRILLIANT Inchon landing. My father was a Marine there. Took a wound for freedom. What have you done lately for freedom shit for brains? Except exercise your free speech right even your right to be ignorant..
@Shafeone look dip shit your father got wounded for a stupid general. you had north korea in a cage all you had to do is request of them to surrender but ofcourse your leader wanted china to bow down also and pushed on turns out they nearlly won again
@thelittlemind Spoken like a man who knows the history of the war. Seriously the more you type the more ignorant you sound. Do you even realize that? No of course not. That's what being ignorant is all about. LOL. Now you are just ranting loon.
@Shafeone do i or is it because you cant admit that usa could of won korea but then got their asses handed over by the chinese. untill you realize this dont comment back
@thelittlemind Absolutely. It was the worst defeat for US arms since Bataan. Still, when surrounded by 100,000 Chinese the 1st USMC (all 10k of them) DID come out with all their dead and kill tens of thousands of Reds in the process. The Chinese tried to push the UN back into the sea. They overextended and by spring 1951 we retook Seoul and pushed them back to the 38th parallel line (you know what that is?) China lost 500,000 men. We shouldn't have negotiated. Politicians always lose wars.
love the bit when the pole parachutes and lands near the farmer,and says good afternoon, the farmer then says good afternoon my arse, and makes him put his hands up with his pitch fork
many of the men who flew the planes in this film were irish air corps pilots. they choose the irish air corps because we were still flying spits. as 2 seat trainers. this was a great film. thanks for posting.
gunner. He was a deputy. He was under Dowding. The English officers who hated him were the senior ones - you mentioned Leigh Mallory. He was sidelined, as was Dowding. He was sacked in disgrace. They game him and Dowding a few minute to clear their office. These were the English officers who hated him. What I said is true. What you say is also true, but you put a different slant on it. Can you not discuss without using childish words?
If the Germans were so desperate to land in Britain, why not just escort the ferries with their massive air force? The British planes would have been distracted with sinking transports where the Luftwaffe would have had a field day taking out the RAF planes.
German fighters could not stay in the air long enough to escort slow moving landing barges, britain would proberly wait untill any landing force was near our shores when the fighters were low on fuel then attack with our bombers, Hurricans and spits would provide cover and would quickly land, re-fuel and take off again, any German landing force would have been easily stopped on the beaches as they would be lightly armed, that is why the Luftwafe needed to destroy the R.A.F, then there is the RN
because they would have BEEN DECIMATED the ROYAL NAVY WOULD HAVE LEFT SCAPA FLOW with fighter cover from spits and hurricaines plus bomber command raf - Goering knew he had to destroy the fighers and factories - before sealion look place. The Royal Navy would have no fighter cover to meet the german fleet and barges and would not have stopped them. The Germans were very organized and effective but would not engage the Royal Navy if it had fighter cover
The Royal Navy was just too powerful.Operation Sealion was played out as a wargame at Sandringham in 1974 with both British and German WWII military following the original invasion/defence plans.The Germans suceeded in landing,but were cut off after a few days by the R.N.They would have been forced to surrender.
I also think that the German army was not prepared for a cross sea invasion, as we saw on d-day it is not easy to get a army ashore and maintain a bridgehead untill heavy weapons can be brought across, and D-day took years of carefull planning for it to work, and they would have been launching an invading from a hostile country, and the resistance would have further hampered the Germans supply lines.
I cant reply about Tony benn because I dont know about what he said, I do know that Keith park was a New zelander, as for operation sealion, German forces stood ready for the planned invasion just across the channel, we were bombing the landing barges! Goering promised Hitler to clear the skies of the R.A.F in preperation for the invasion. There may have been a plan for the invasion of Switzaland but it was never attempted, they were no threat, we were and Hitler knew it, and said so.
Yes. Keith Park was a deputy in the Battle of Britain, and in charge of Polish squadrons, and the Poles liked him. Tony Benn always praised him as doing a good job. Other English officers hated him, as he wasnt English. After the Battle of Britain, they sacked in and he left in disgrace. He ended up in the backwaters of Malta. His old adversary was Douglas Bader, and they even made a film about him.
The film about Douglas Bader, (reach for the sky) was about his life and losing his legs in a flying accident and his fight to be allowed to fly in the R.A.F, he was a good leader of men and had some new ideas about how to fight the luftwaffe, he devised a system called the big wing with mix success. Tony Benn I remember him from the 1970's he was a bit of a communist and I did not like him, he was against Britain taking back the Falkland Islands from Argentina in 1982.
What? Tony Benn was in the RAF himself. Keith Park actually features in this video on 4:09. He is the last to speak. He was only a deputy but should be given some recognition.
Tony Benn may have been in the R.A.F but he was also an outspoken MP in the 70's I can remember him, he had a reputation as being a communist, he is still around now and he is trying to stop the war in Iraq, as he tried with the falklands. Are you in the USA? you are up early if you are!
And now you yanks a making a film called "The few" it is about a US pilot Billy Fiske in the Battle of Britain, for the record he flew Hurricans, never shot anything down and was killed on the ground in a bombing attack, yet they are going to portray him as a hero who beat the Luftwaffe, you have to lie in films to make yourselves look good...PATHETIC
The yanks like to portray themselve in films as winning the war, the film U571 is total bullshit, it never happend, The Great escape, no americans were involved in the escape, Pearl Harbour, the yank pilots in the Battle of britain did not achieve much, yet in that film the yank almost beat the Germans single handedly!!
this battle could have gone either way, if goring didnt change tactics and kept on pounding the british air fields then i think the outcome of this battle would have been very different!!
The battle was not so important. Battles like Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa determined the outcome of the war. All important battles of the war involved the Americans and usually fighting the Japanese.
You are completely wrong (swanning around) the outcome of the war in Europe would determine the the future of all nations. If Britain had not fought on alone there would have been no D-Day landings and so the Nazis would have developed their nuclear bombs (which they were close to prefecting) and would have launched against America. The world would then be plunged into another Dark Ages. Read your history (Steven Ambrose, an American author is very good).
Britain did not fight on alone. There were many many other LARGE countries lining up against German like Australia, South Africa, Canada and India, not to mention the United States. If these countries were on Germany's side, then you may have appreciated the impact. Don't forget that the countries like France, Poland and Holland had large forces aligned to the UK too. Everyone is sick of this "standing alone" talk. It comes from Tony Blair who is a liar away.
Of couse we was alone, we were the only country still fighting the Germans, the rest of Europe was under German control, we got help in men and materials but as a nation we were alone, Australia, South Africa, Canada and India, were never attacked by the Germans, neither was the U.S.A, who did not join the war untill 1942, we had been fighting since 1939! and standing alone talk did not come from Tony Blair it was said years ago, there is a documentry from the 1970's that is called "alone"
musicbruv. Australia, South Africa, India not attacked? What about Tobruk and Crete and Greece. I would say these were attacks and there were plenty of colonials there. It was Tony Blair, your hero, who said "we stood alone". It is insulting and it is wrong. Everyone knows it except the English who love this sort of propaganda. America Number One. NUMERO UNO! Don't forget it. pal!
You must be a dumb yank, we are talking about the BATTLE of BRITAIN!!, Tobruk is in NORTH AFRICA, Crete and Greece are not in Austailia, Africa or India..And once again "ALONE" is a term from years before anyone had heard of Tony Blair!! You yanks talks Bollocks and you believe your own Bullshit. My Father fought in WW2 and he said the yanks were "hopeless" there was a saying, when the Brits bomb the Germans duck, when the Germans bomb the Btits duck, when the Yanks bomb everyone ducks...LOL
1 Western europe was under German control. 2, German forces were just 25 miles away from our shores. 3. No other country was involved it was just us and the Germans, 4, Australia, South Africa, India not attacked! Tobruk, Crete and Greece was later in the war, we Brits think you yanks are dumb, and everytime you type something you just confirm that belief, the only thing you are number one at is Bullshitting!!
musicbruv. Completely wrong. Others were involved. The Canadians were supplying you with food and materials. The Americans and Poles were fighting in the Battle of Britain. A deputy and according to Tony Benn a hero in the Battle of Britain was an Australian. The English continually undermined the Australian due to petty politics, even though he was just trying to save your ass. Note well. England was never under threat.
God you are hard work, I know we had help in food and materials and non brits flying in the battle of britain...but as a nation we were alone, if we had lost who would have been invaded? us, nobody else! who were the Germans attacking at that time? Just Britain NO ONE ELSE. and as for yank pilots they were useless, the poles were very good. Never under threat!! what was "operation sealion" then? in case you dont know it was the German code word for the invasion of Britain!
Who cares about operations. The Germans had "Operation Tannenbaum" for the invasion of Switzerland. Now Switzerland really was alone, completely surrounded. The Swiss don't carry on about "we stood alone". You people are ignorant. Germany was only one country. Italy was also invading Egypt at the same time. You didn't reply on the hero Tony Benn mentioned who was a deputy. This man also was a leader of the Polish squadrons and Biggin Hill.
@steelbanktrucker Complete rubbish. The Germans won at Crete. They were fighting the New Zealanders there. Wakey wakey. The New Zealanders are not British - they couldn't be more different. The Australians fought at Tobruk. The Americans and Poles fought in the Battle of Britain. See the film "the Few" sometime. Billy Fiske played by Tom Cruise was the most well known pilot of the battle. Churchill called the American pilots "the Few".
"Never in the field of human conflict have so many (The free world) owed so much to so few" (The RAF including all nationalities) No specific ref to the 10 US pilots there by Churchill. Total invention by you. & then you quote the film about a pilot who never shot down an enemy plane but in the fantasy rewriting of history world that is Hollywood seems to have played a major part. That said the man had the guts to fight against fascism & has my ultimate respect.
@swanningaround Of Billy Fiske's role in the Battle of Britain, the Battle of Britain Historical Society records:
"although Billy made several sorties he didn't shoot anything down, so that his impact on the battle in that respect was negligible, but he is most definitely still very much a hero in our book."
A hero like them all, But hey, with Tom Cruise at the controls we can rewrite history anyway we want to eh?
You need to realise that the crap that comes out of Hollywood isnt real history
@swanningaround & Yeah the Germans did win at Crete (paste error) but the 14th British infantry division were fought it along with the ANZACS.
By the way you do realise that the vast majority of white Australians & New Zealanders ancestry is British & both nations have the British flag on theirs. We seem to share the same Queen & Commonwealth as well. "Couldn't be more different"? what a laugh!
Tobruk was eventually taken by the 8th Army (British & Commonwealth troops) after El Alamein
@swanningaround My dad was in Crete and he was in the British army. Five members on his AA gun were killed when hit by a Stuka bomb. Nearly 10% of all Australian and New Zealand troops in Crete were British born. He was with the New Zealander's but also the Australians who made up the largest contingent. Churchill's few referred to all the pilots who fought in the battle of Britain and not just the Americans volunteers.
@binaway If your dad was at Crete, then he was defeated in battle was he not? Did he ever get over the shame? Crete was always considered a disaster for New Zealand. Was he a prisoner of war?
@swanningaround "Did he ever get over the shame" You ought to be ashamed for disrespecting the brave men of the allied forces who fought & died for your freedom. & don't think the USA was untouchable in WW2, because even if it had stayed neutral, the Nazis would have attacked the USA.
Like the brave GIs who fought, died & were defeated in Vietnam, there was nothing to be ashamed of. They served their country with Honour
Thankfully the vast majority of Americans aren't as ignorant. as you
@steelbanktrucker Hey. Steady on. I respect your dad. Crete was a defeat. Americans will not countenance defeat in battle. It has never happened and never will. Unfortunately New Zealand had a very bad war going from defeat to defeat. The Australians were the same. Contrast this with the Canadians and American who won every battle. It is victory that counts. Nothing else.
@swanningaround Are you crazy? Just look up the first time Rommel met the Americans in Africa. Maybe you have just been reading the wrong books? Or maybe things are airbrushed from your history channel? The US lost many battles in WW2. Check out the US unescorted bomber raids into Germany through 1943. Those 2 just for starters.
@swanningaround He spent 3.5 yrs as a POW. Got bombed by the RAF, the USAAF&shelled by the Russians.He did what was expected&didn't feel shame.He remembers the Maori's would start what he describes as a war dance around sunset&made a noise that frighten him and had a devastating psychological effect on the Germans.When they stopped they charged the Nazi lines&led a charge that pushed the enemy back. The next day the Luftwaffe would bomb them back to where they started.No air power no victory.
@binaway Dont bother replying to swanningaround. He believes the 10 US pilots that fought in the RAF won the Battle of Britain as hes seen a Hollywood history rewrite starring Tom Cruise insultingly called The Few. Quoting this crap
he even thinks that Churchill was referring only to the Yanks when he callled the Royal Air Force 'The Few'
Unfortunately he probably believes that Rocky won the Cold War by beating the Russians & Rambo went back to Nam & beat the Viet Cong
This battle was very important, if we had lost we could have been invaded, then where would the Americans base their troops and equipment? They would proberly stayed out of the war in europe.
America number one!! your having a laugh mate, you did not join the war untill 42, when you smelled a profit to be made. Italy, North Africa, Spain, South France, all had Germans there, south of france later in the war, Britain is an island the Germans could not get over here, thus we were an unsinkable aircraft carrier, any other countries you would have had to fight the Germans just to get a base in them.
My daughter goes to nursery in the former control tower at RAF Martlesham, the base has largely gone now but there are traces if you look, every time I take her there I say thank you to those young men who valiantly gave their lives. I hope it is a fitting tribute that the sound of children playing echoes through the place they once waged war from.
The Battle of Britain was proberly the most important battle of the war, if we had lost and got invaded then the USA would not have joined the war in Europe, as they would not have had any where to stage their forces, as it was England became an unsinkable aircraft carrier from which D-Day was launched and helped bring about the end of the war.
a battle as important to the outcome of the war as the battle for stalingrad, or kursk, if indeed not more important. If Britain had gone down then there would have been no foothold for America to do its famous "we'll let you do all the fighting and come in a year or two late routine"
Exactly, we waited from 1914-1917, then from 1939-1941. Now whatever you believe about the moral right of either side in WWI, the fact that they were so hesitant to enter world war two, a clear battle in which the moral right of the allies could not be impugned, shows who they are. Lend-lease? We didnt finish paying them back until 2007. "Your friend is drowning so sell him some rope" springs to mind.
"a battle as important to the outcome of the war as the battle for stalingrad, or kursk"
Not really, they still would need to actually invade Britain, and even with German air superiority this would have been extremely difficult.
For example the Royal Navy was vastly superior to the Kriegsmarine and Germany had no real landing crafts, they were going to use river barges to transport their invasion force.
Operation sealion would most likely have been a huge failure for Germany.
You'll never see so many Heinkels again, Duxford has one but when I asked about its airworthyness, they said its unlikely to fly again - shame - GET ONE UP!
the reason that russia survived was that it was so much to conquer and there was the winter,hitler was a landaholic and when he turned his attention to russia he just wanted it and made a stupid decision attacking it
The Battle of Britain will forever be marked as the David and Goliath epic. I look forward to the remake of this great battle, with all the technology of recreating such warbirds will no doubt be breath taking. It is my hopes that a company in England will produce such film. I fear that Hollywood will just ruin as they did in the movie Pearl Harbor. Thats my opinion from an American.
I do think there making such a film, called "The Few", but I can already tell its been compleatly ruined by typical hollywood ignorance, the star is... guess what an 'American' only 7 americans sevred in the battle of briain out of around 2000 pilots, The star is based on a real life american who served in the battle called billy fiske, respect to him for helping, but he dident actually shoot any germans down, but no doubt he wins the battle single handed in the film.
the uk did not win the battle of britain, hitler lost it.
therealbamlee 4 months ago
@therealbamlee One man's loss is another man's victory
aspiringdrummer17 3 months ago
Proud to be Polish
pompicjusz1 6 months ago
You Tube attracts the most stupid ignorant comments imaginable. People are invited to give their opinion on a film clip, not to show the world just what brainless foul minds that they have.
mildenhalljohn 8 months ago
the british where on thier knees(lack of pilots and aircrafts,they were totaly destroyed by the luftvafe)!!! every body knows that well...but the big error thet hitler made was that he changed the tactics in the last minute>instead of carring on bombing the military targets(wich were also totaly destroyed) he started bombing the cities and towns wich later was proved as a disaster!!!!!!!
amirturist 8 months ago
This film is one of a few classics that prove over and over that the real thing + models trumps CGI any day.
OneEyeWonderWeasil 9 months ago
germany killed frace beat up russia and beat up britain and still managed to punch u.s in the face
TheGorgeramirez 9 months ago
@TheGorgeramirez you are totally crazy, if you believe that
darkmossie633 5 months ago
@darkmossie633 ok
TheGorgeramirez 5 months ago
Check out those German Zeppelins at 2:18
specom 11 months ago
@specom there are no Zeppelins
MatrixRocker 10 months ago
Are you queer or something?
specom 10 months ago
@RichardElden So you just go from movie thread to thread talking shiite, huh guy? Saw you on the "Chitty, Chitty Bang, Bang" thread. Get a damn life.
specom 11 months ago
@RichardElden
Why? Because there are no CGI effects? Pearl Harbor was an awful film! Historically inaccurate,crammed full of CGI effects with the fighters all sounding like Pitt Specials and doing impossible manouvres.Give me the likes of The Battle of Britain,Tora Tora Tora,Patton and A Bridge Too Far any day!
Timariod 1 year ago
@Timariod Please ignore Richard Elden. He goes from one thread to another attacking old films and claiming they lost money just to rile people up. Trolls starve if you don't feed them.
specom 11 months ago
this film did not flop! it it responsable for so much air craft restoration is one and also the british tradition of airshows and DUXFORD IWM prob the best museam in in the world italso told what happend with out holywoodism ie the yanks won bob iknow the yanks where as eagle sqd it is quit hitoricaly correct only mistake are;buchons not 109 he111 are casa(spanish versions like buchons) and mr warwick shouts to suzi york "put that light out the gas main has gone) mkx1x spit in distant shots.
weliketogloatitfc 1 year ago
There are three names you should always remember when recounting The Battle of Britain....Air Chief Marshall Baron Hugh Dowding(a Scot),Air Vice Marshall Sir Keith Park(a New Zealander) and of course Prime Minister Sir Winston Spencer Churchill.Without these three men at the helm in 1940 the world may have been a very different place today.
Timariod 1 year ago
I see we've got lots of company for the the wild albino of winkileaks - he's a soggy loony left euro weiner as well. Bring back Red Ken and the TUC! Beside, if you point fingers at the 'mericans often enough, maybe people will forget the sins of the British Empire, the French Empire, the Dutch Empire, the Belgian Empire, the Spanish empire ... do i detect pattern, euro weiners?
porkchoplarue 1 year ago
Ahem! My friends we must rally behind the cause: to correct those who are following what I believe is known as, The American view of history. We must endeavour to correct those who get their factual knowledge from films such as pearl Harbour and believe that america wins everything, the rest of the world is wrong and god bless america.
truthfullcomentator 1 year ago
Instead of questioning each others nations contribution in defeating the most evil & murderous regimes imaginable, we should perhaps realise that none of our countries could have achieved the destruction of the Nazis and Japanese alone & count our blessings that we ALL had exceptional men who had the courage to fight for our freedom. In particular those that paid the ultimate sacrifice.
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
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steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
Zieg Hail fuck west every day
Disgorge2b 1 year ago
"Failure [to win the BoB for Allies] would have plunged mankind into new dark age."
That is backwards actually.
Western Culture is in a dark age now. Only the retarded and profoundly uneducated will disagree.
SeanMacCloud 1 year ago
at 1.42, I can count about 20 Heinkel 111's. Was this trick cinematography, or are they all Spanish Air Force veterans?
You see the destruction of several aircraft in this film. Were they obliged to destroy vintage planes, or were they just mock-ups?
Strawberry7Lynn 1 year ago
@Strawberry7Lynn Hmmm, good question! I would hazard a guess at it being the use of mock-ups; this production involved not only the sourcing of the largest-ever collection of vintage warbirds assembled for a movie, but also the construction of large r/c models of Ju-87 and Bf-110's AND the conversion of several Proctors into Stuka simulants - I don't think some mock-up Hurri's and Spits for destruction on the ground was beyond the budget!
;)
KrillLiberator 1 year ago
@Strawberry7Lynn All aircraft being destroyed were glassfibre mock-ups. Some with 2-stroke engines installed in the nose to turn the propellers.
32 "Heinkels" were use in the ground scenes. Several of them were assembled from a scrapheap, so only about 17 could fly. The big formation scenes utilized tricks.
YDDES 1 year ago
For me this great film makes history! I like this action of Spitfires and Hurricanes against German Hispano-Buchon-fighters and CASA-bombers. :o)
Basilisk195 1 year ago
@oriola26 You should be proud. England showed itself to be made of iron. Those brave boys in their Hurricanes and Spitfires (and all the dedicated support people at Fighter Command) are a monument to the spirit of free peoples. Luftwaffe Ace Gunther Rall said RAF pilots were the best he flew against...although in my nations defense he did say that by the time he fought Americans there were just so many it was hard to tell how good they were.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone true but im talking before china got involved when us was on a role and about to win
thelittlemind 1 year ago
Hey who is Robert Shaw suppose to be playing? Douglas Bader? or Stanford Tuck?
FWDORA9 1 year ago
Tora!, Tora!, Tora!...the longest day!.....where eagles dare!!!....and this!!!
ghiribizzi 1 year ago
One of my favorite movies along with The longest day and Bastogne :)
Tharbad08 1 year ago
fabulous footage highly comendable thankyou
oldstuffandcollect 1 year ago
WWI started with Germany getting uncomfortable with their reducing wealth coming in into their gdp, and after that, with everything, oh fuck bigstyle....
Time to kill jews.
closertofiftythanyew 2 years ago
No, WWI started with the Yugoslavians murdering the Austrian heir to the throne. We then went to war with them and the whole system of alliances in western/middle Europe kicked in.
Germany certainly didnt start it, it was only made the "black sheep" by the victors through the treaty of Versailles which itself lay the path for the second war.
Maybe actually care to pick up a history book next time before posting stupid shit, m'kay?
JG52Karaya 2 years ago
But they didn't need to get involved, like other european countries, but as all wars, they saw what they could get out of it - WEALTH!
i think... : )
closertofiftythanyew 2 years ago
Yes, but that includes all countries, not just Germany! ;)
It's always about power, land, resources,...
JG52Karaya 2 years ago
and the Yanks were the new boys on the capitalist stage, and the old boys didn't like how much money was being taken away from them.
Simple as that.
closertofiftythanyew 2 years ago
Is the then extended so called 'jewish problem' due to their ability to grease the capitalist world since so called start?
Or are they the capitalism of early 20th century victimised victims of vcapitalism then?
Think they were, pick on the easiest pick, and pick on them
Human relations and psychology, always the path of least resistance, always, and anyone that tells me different is talking bollocks.
Brit has tried to counter this for races, with a bad show to white van driver
closertofiftythanyew 1 year ago
You gotta hand it to those Tommies. THey held the line, and much, much more. BTW, the opening theme "Luftwaffe March", is the best damn marshall music I've ever heard. Ron Goodwin, out nazied the Nazis, in terms of music. Great theme.
LJBCRT 2 years ago
Whats the difference between winning or losing the Battle of Britain? None to most Americans. Either way they think their tanks rolled down the streets of London liberating the capital from the Germans.
JamTheMan4Chelsea 2 years ago 18
but they would have toinvade england first...and while teh normandy was easy to reach...it would have been much harder to bring a big invasion force across teh atlantic...and you couldnt trust in parachute troops to defend your flanks and take over important briges
FireXtheRipper 2 years ago
Even the dumbest American knows that we did not liberate London. We are all lucky that the Germans started bombing London and gave the airfields a break. Without Britain the war would have been lost. Hell actually most Americans think we rolled into Berlin by ourselves.
atom2009 2 years ago 2
didn't even make it to Berlin, the Russians took that (yes and later handed half over to US-UK-French rule).
robinoi 2 years ago
the USA told the USSR they could have Berlin in fact the USA was well across into Germany before the USSR.
but any ways this was a good movie.
Dogmeat1950 2 years ago
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closertofiftythanyew 2 years ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea What Americans are these of which you speak?
Shafeone 1 year ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea That is not far from the truth. You owe everything to American lives.
swanningaround 1 year ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea OMFG WILL U STFU all of you stupid ass fucking faggots, IM AMERICAN i know if britiain lost wed be german too, stop fucking sterotyping us , yes theres a lot of stupid americans trust me i know but theres also alot of smart ppl here, but if ur smart here no one likes you
DJsharp707 10 months ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea
That's a prejudiced thing to say. Why would you sully a great moment in history, where one small group of people rose up to defend their homeland from a much larger invading force, with nationalistic bigotry and prejudice? Some people seem to always be looking for a way to stick in their personal agenda when talking about any given battle of World War 2, and it's starting to make me ill.
FacePoppies 9 months ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea this is total rubbish, as if the Germans had taken Great Britain, any invading force from USA would have been blown out of the sky and water-there would have been aerodromes in west ireland
and all over British mainland, and submarines to knock out troop carriers-need i go on, as it is more likely that Russian tanks would be rolling down streets of London as liberators
darkmossie633 7 months ago
@darkmossie633 i could not agree more this was such an important battle in history
michaelstarwars45 5 months ago in playlist Battle of Britain
@JamTheMan4Chelsea
what do you mean whats the difference, if the battle of britain was lost ,.nazi germany would have marched
all over the face of the earth and the future would have changed forever.
michaelstarwars45 7 months ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea and how would this liberation have been possible?
-no British navy - all British ports controlled by Germans, who also would have had TOTAL air superiority over half the Atlantic
- U-boats would have run riot, based in British ports and harbours,
-American tanks would have been sunk in mid-atlantic with their carriers
-i am a BRIT but I think your thoughts of an American force taking back Great Britain under Nazi control, are at the least fanciful- fairytale in reality
darkmossie633 5 months ago
@darkmossie633
Highly more probable that the russians would probably manage to move to west during ww2... but ending with russian occupation (as liberators after the german invasion) of Great Britain wouldn't have been much more fun than the german occupation.
I agree absolutely with you. But you need to go easy... you know, americans still believe that they won the war all alone. Another true fact we can be grateful due to 'hollywood crap'.
Vickzq 5 months ago
@JamTheMan4Chelsea
And you know why it wouldn't make a difference to them? Because - putting it nicely - americans have pretty much no clue about anything going on in the world. If England had passed away... never they would have crossed the atlantic to get it back. It would have needed that much time to even try it, that the german technological supremacy would have knocked them out.
Already the many 'thumbs up' you got for a naive remark shows how much they know about it.
Vickzq 5 months ago
The ME109s used Rolls Royce Merlin engines in the film as they were from the Spainish airforce as were the HE111 bombers which also used the Merlins rather than the original Mercedes Benz engines of the originals. Obviously the film had to use whatever planes were still around. Some of the Spitfires are later models than the Mk1 and 2's used at the time but I think we can overlook that. Still holds up as a great film and a well researched and shot piece of movie history.
greynessman 2 years ago 10
They still beat the CGI crap we see in movies today.
atom2009 2 years ago 2
@atom2009 shame we don't have enough airworthy aircraft to be used in films now, have you seen the trailer for red tails? Not one real footage of aircraft in it.
MrSpitfire1990 6 months ago
If you look hard on the Spitfires you can notice the exhaust pipes and bulkier engines denoting they be later models, but as conversions they're pretty accurate, wing-tips, cockpit canopies and rudders all adjusted to Mk 1 type.
robinoi 2 years ago
it takes a real nerd to know that this film uses HA-1109s (or something similar) rather than real replicas
jaw1024 2 years ago
Real Nerd? How 'bout this one: most of the Me109s in the movie had what Engines??
mrunning10 2 years ago
1) I don't know, 2) They're called Bf-109s
(didn't mean to sound rude if i did :S)
I only said a real nerd would know that because most people would just call it a messerschmitt/german plane :P
jaw1024 2 years ago
I can't help but laugh at "real replicas"
TopGunSGA 2 years ago
Poor choice of words i admit :D
But you know what i meant
jaw1024 2 years ago
if Germany had all its forces to invade it Russia it may have won with us as a thorn in its side it was unable to .ALL the allied powers played there part.
talpore 2 years ago
We'll never know..
jaw1024 2 years ago
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USA saved you monkeys from a big asskickin!!!!
Legendthriller81 2 years ago
Still bitter?,there's really no need were all jolly good chums now .
iroscoe 2 years ago 2
The threat of invasion was over long before the U.S. Government decided to grow a spine and get involved. In actual fact your Generals seen the plans of operation sea lion and the British defence lines placed around Britain from southern England to the north west coast of Scotland, they would have been anihilated according to them had they chosen to invade.
jpd84 2 years ago
LOL you like to think so
Dragon22873 2 years ago
Even the German Navy commander Raeder knew that the Nazis could not effect a successful cross-channel invasion. If you are looking at the real war winners then the Soviets probably have a greater claim.
berlinmitte10117 2 years ago 3
Im talking about Legendthrills81's comment. Everyone says how the British would be speaking German but they seem to forget that one way or the other, Germany would have lost the war, and in that peace treaty would be a big piece of bold writing saying 'GIVE BRITAIN ITS LAND BACK'. But hey! People dont think.
Dragon22873 2 years ago
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phdecora 2 years ago
freedom and democracy against tyranny in case you didn't know.
mixxmexx 2 years ago
do you relieze who stopped the nazi advanced over the entire world,
if we had failed there would have been no War, the nazi would have made peace and then the nazi own the entire world except the americas
Oneandoneself 2 years ago
Legendthriller81
During the Battle of Britain??? HOW?
Manfromelpaso 2 years ago
Really? You didn't turn up for another 18 months and only because FDR had the guts to drag you kicking and screaming into the war. You give all the brave US soldiers a bad name. It was an allied effort, otherwise you too would be eating sushi or sauerkraut rather than getting fat on burgers.
berlinmitte10117 2 years ago
@Legendthriller81 Oh really? The Soviets won the war. Britain defended itself, and you would have stayed neutral if not for the attack on Pearl Harbor - I forgot in America you won the war single handedly didn't you, despite the fact it was most likely the Soviet Union, they sacrificed the most, and they gained the most - they beat the Nazis right back to the Reichstag, threw down their banner and raised the soviet flag for all to see.
Perilix 1 year ago
@Perilix The war was won by all the Allies. 8 out of 10 Wehrmacht soldiers were killed by the Red Army yes. And personally I don't know why we shed our blood and treasure to save a abunch of anti-American socialistic (soon to be Muslim) Eurotrash. If that continent wanted to commit mas suicide we should have let them and just deal with the Japanese (who we were also fighting at the same time). I wish the Red Army had gone to the channel. Then you'd be BEGGING for American help (yawn) AGAIN.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone its funny cause in both world wars usa joined near the end. Especially when germans russians etc were tired of fighting. USA if they joined early in the war. would have probably be a hero. but since you joined near the end. your not heroes or anything of such. it took pearl harbor to get your lazy asses to realize theres a war going on
thelittlemind 1 year ago
@thelittlemind The war started in sept. 1939. We entered in December 1941. There was much downtime too in 1940 before the Battle of France/Britain. Barbaross was June 1941. So we entered the war six months after the USSR. Late to the game? C'mon. And do you honestly think that both Nazi German AND Imperial Japan would have been defeated without the US? No friggin way. And ALL of Europe would have been communist IF the Russians won...without threat of second front doubtful.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@thelittlemind And to this day the US getting ibvolved in WW1 at all (even if just the last year) was the biggest waste of blood and treasure in our history. What for? Wilsonian delusions? Next time tell you what Eurotrash...how about the USA just not show up and let you guys massacre each other wholesale? Deal? Works for me. Just be careful what you wish for.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone im american. and all i fucking hear in us history is how great we were in saving europe blah blah blah. Sure go ahead dont get involved then you would have faced communism all alone even when the cold war happened you didnt do shit. you let other countries fight in your steed. it took poland ukraine and czech to bring communism to an end not FUCKING USA
thelittlemind 1 year ago
@thelittlemind What history classes did YOU go to? All I hear is how we were a slave state that in our spare time massacred INdians! And there are 38,000 dead Americans in Korea who would find issue with your statement that in the Cold War we didn't do shit. Marshall Plan. Berlin Airlift. Challenging the USSR in an arm race that bled it dry leading to Glasnost and its collapse. You are as ignorant as you are bitter. Leave then. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone You were embarresed in the vietnam war you could have won korea but where stupid enough to drag china in
thelittlemind 1 year ago
@thelittlemind LOL. You have to be willing to put boots on the ground to be 'embarrassed'. And of course the politicians, not the American fighting man, lost Vietnam. As for Korea, I think there are 38 million South Koreans who are glad we showed up. Although the brave Europeans did put in about 10,000 troops so thank God for them. Go away little European man. Don'tyou have a new mosque to go kow-tow in? No one roots for Goliath...until the Germans come of course! Or Muslims. LOL
Shafeone 1 year ago
@thelittlemind Once again your history knowledge is astounding. The UN (your favorite body) passed a resolution calling for the re-unification of Korea just after our BRILLIANT Inchon landing. My father was a Marine there. Took a wound for freedom. What have you done lately for freedom shit for brains? Except exercise your free speech right even your right to be ignorant..
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone look dip shit your father got wounded for a stupid general. you had north korea in a cage all you had to do is request of them to surrender but ofcourse your leader wanted china to bow down also and pushed on turns out they nearlly won again
thelittlemind 1 year ago
@thelittlemind Spoken like a man who knows the history of the war. Seriously the more you type the more ignorant you sound. Do you even realize that? No of course not. That's what being ignorant is all about. LOL. Now you are just ranting loon.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone do i or is it because you cant admit that usa could of won korea but then got their asses handed over by the chinese. untill you realize this dont comment back
thelittlemind 1 year ago
@thelittlemind Absolutely. It was the worst defeat for US arms since Bataan. Still, when surrounded by 100,000 Chinese the 1st USMC (all 10k of them) DID come out with all their dead and kill tens of thousands of Reds in the process. The Chinese tried to push the UN back into the sea. They overextended and by spring 1951 we retook Seoul and pushed them back to the 38th parallel line (you know what that is?) China lost 500,000 men. We shouldn't have negotiated. Politicians always lose wars.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Legendthriller81
September 1940 - Luftwaffe blown out of the skies - Nazi plans to invade Britain abandoned indefinately.
December 1941 - USA enters the war.
Thank God the vast majority of Americans aren't as dumb as you!
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
Look at inside of spitfire at 3:13 - it's mirrored.
Sephy7777 2 years ago
dont think so is it?
Oneandoneself 2 years ago
love the bit when the pole parachutes and lands near the farmer,and says good afternoon, the farmer then says good afternoon my arse, and makes him put his hands up with his pitch fork
2pikeman 2 years ago
but Polish pilots were incredibly brave, as
they wanted revenge after what Germans and Luftwaffe did to Warsaw etc etc
-great scene when they disobey orders on training mission and attack Heinkels!
darkmossie633 2 years ago
nice nips 2:19 :)
1q6z 2 years ago
lol....
number78ball 2 years ago
yeh lol
MontyPythonTribute 2 years ago
many of the men who flew the planes in this film were irish air corps pilots. they choose the irish air corps because we were still flying spits. as 2 seat trainers. this was a great film. thanks for posting.
DLS95 2 years ago
I had this movie then i lost it l:(
MasterofPuppets343 2 years ago
When you get to the end of your rope...tie a knot and hang on.
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
69Bluntsmoka420 2 years ago
I have no idea what that means. Since FDR sat back and allowed hitler to slaughter millions.
warriorprince1010 2 years ago
I meant swanningaround
StandTogetherForever 2 years ago
He is not British I think he is a New Zealand born American living in Switzerland.
StandTogetherForever 2 years ago
gunner. Don't say any more. You know little about the history of what happened here. That is evident.
swanningaround 2 years ago
gunner. He was a deputy. He was under Dowding. The English officers who hated him were the senior ones - you mentioned Leigh Mallory. He was sidelined, as was Dowding. He was sacked in disgrace. They game him and Dowding a few minute to clear their office. These were the English officers who hated him. What I said is true. What you say is also true, but you put a different slant on it. Can you not discuss without using childish words?
swanningaround 2 years ago
gunnermac. Your dirty mouth says more about you than me. Read what you have said. It doesn't make sense. What I have said is true.
swanningaround 2 years ago
If the Germans were so desperate to land in Britain, why not just escort the ferries with their massive air force? The British planes would have been distracted with sinking transports where the Luftwaffe would have had a field day taking out the RAF planes.
stevensw 2 years ago
German fighters could not stay in the air long enough to escort slow moving landing barges, britain would proberly wait untill any landing force was near our shores when the fighters were low on fuel then attack with our bombers, Hurricans and spits would provide cover and would quickly land, re-fuel and take off again, any German landing force would have been easily stopped on the beaches as they would be lightly armed, that is why the Luftwafe needed to destroy the R.A.F, then there is the RN
musicbruv 2 years ago
because they would have BEEN DECIMATED the ROYAL NAVY WOULD HAVE LEFT SCAPA FLOW with fighter cover from spits and hurricaines plus bomber command raf - Goering knew he had to destroy the fighers and factories - before sealion look place. The Royal Navy would have no fighter cover to meet the german fleet and barges and would not have stopped them. The Germans were very organized and effective but would not engage the Royal Navy if it had fighter cover
goldenage2009 2 years ago
Why not counter the Royal Navy with the German navy?
stevensw 2 years ago
The Royal Navy was just too powerful.Operation Sealion was played out as a wargame at Sandringham in 1974 with both British and German WWII military following the original invasion/defence plans.The Germans suceeded in landing,but were cut off after a few days by the R.N.They would have been forced to surrender.
numberstation 2 years ago
I also think that the German army was not prepared for a cross sea invasion, as we saw on d-day it is not easy to get a army ashore and maintain a bridgehead untill heavy weapons can be brought across, and D-day took years of carefull planning for it to work, and they would have been launching an invading from a hostile country, and the resistance would have further hampered the Germans supply lines.
musicbruv 2 years ago
I cant reply about Tony benn because I dont know about what he said, I do know that Keith park was a New zelander, as for operation sealion, German forces stood ready for the planned invasion just across the channel, we were bombing the landing barges! Goering promised Hitler to clear the skies of the R.A.F in preperation for the invasion. There may have been a plan for the invasion of Switzaland but it was never attempted, they were no threat, we were and Hitler knew it, and said so.
musicbruv 2 years ago
Yes. Keith Park was a deputy in the Battle of Britain, and in charge of Polish squadrons, and the Poles liked him. Tony Benn always praised him as doing a good job. Other English officers hated him, as he wasnt English. After the Battle of Britain, they sacked in and he left in disgrace. He ended up in the backwaters of Malta. His old adversary was Douglas Bader, and they even made a film about him.
swanningaround 2 years ago
The film about Douglas Bader, (reach for the sky) was about his life and losing his legs in a flying accident and his fight to be allowed to fly in the R.A.F, he was a good leader of men and had some new ideas about how to fight the luftwaffe, he devised a system called the big wing with mix success. Tony Benn I remember him from the 1970's he was a bit of a communist and I did not like him, he was against Britain taking back the Falkland Islands from Argentina in 1982.
musicbruv 2 years ago
What? Tony Benn was in the RAF himself. Keith Park actually features in this video on 4:09. He is the last to speak. He was only a deputy but should be given some recognition.
swanningaround 2 years ago
Tony Benn may have been in the R.A.F but he was also an outspoken MP in the 70's I can remember him, he had a reputation as being a communist, he is still around now and he is trying to stop the war in Iraq, as he tried with the falklands. Are you in the USA? you are up early if you are!
musicbruv 2 years ago
And now you yanks a making a film called "The few" it is about a US pilot Billy Fiske in the Battle of Britain, for the record he flew Hurricans, never shot anything down and was killed on the ground in a bombing attack, yet they are going to portray him as a hero who beat the Luftwaffe, you have to lie in films to make yourselves look good...PATHETIC
musicbruv 2 years ago
The yanks like to portray themselve in films as winning the war, the film U571 is total bullshit, it never happend, The Great escape, no americans were involved in the escape, Pearl Harbour, the yank pilots in the Battle of britain did not achieve much, yet in that film the yank almost beat the Germans single handedly!!
musicbruv 2 years ago
this is an incredible movie, how the hell did they do it?
trigga1uk 2 years ago
Hate to get off the subject of all the comments but ,This was an excellent fucking movie.
atom2009 2 years ago
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marklee1783 3 years ago
this battle could have gone either way, if goring didnt change tactics and kept on pounding the british air fields then i think the outcome of this battle would have been very different!!
goldyn12345 3 years ago
The battle was not so important. Battles like Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa determined the outcome of the war. All important battles of the war involved the Americans and usually fighting the Japanese.
swanningaround 3 years ago
You are completely wrong (swanning around) the outcome of the war in Europe would determine the the future of all nations. If Britain had not fought on alone there would have been no D-Day landings and so the Nazis would have developed their nuclear bombs (which they were close to prefecting) and would have launched against America. The world would then be plunged into another Dark Ages. Read your history (Steven Ambrose, an American author is very good).
thedude1282002 2 years ago
Britain did not fight on alone. There were many many other LARGE countries lining up against German like Australia, South Africa, Canada and India, not to mention the United States. If these countries were on Germany's side, then you may have appreciated the impact. Don't forget that the countries like France, Poland and Holland had large forces aligned to the UK too. Everyone is sick of this "standing alone" talk. It comes from Tony Blair who is a liar away.
swanningaround 2 years ago
Of couse we was alone, we were the only country still fighting the Germans, the rest of Europe was under German control, we got help in men and materials but as a nation we were alone, Australia, South Africa, Canada and India, were never attacked by the Germans, neither was the U.S.A, who did not join the war untill 1942, we had been fighting since 1939! and standing alone talk did not come from Tony Blair it was said years ago, there is a documentry from the 1970's that is called "alone"
musicbruv 2 years ago
musicbruv. Australia, South Africa, India not attacked? What about Tobruk and Crete and Greece. I would say these were attacks and there were plenty of colonials there. It was Tony Blair, your hero, who said "we stood alone". It is insulting and it is wrong. Everyone knows it except the English who love this sort of propaganda. America Number One. NUMERO UNO! Don't forget it. pal!
swanningaround 2 years ago
You must be a dumb yank, we are talking about the BATTLE of BRITAIN!!, Tobruk is in NORTH AFRICA, Crete and Greece are not in Austailia, Africa or India..And once again "ALONE" is a term from years before anyone had heard of Tony Blair!! You yanks talks Bollocks and you believe your own Bullshit. My Father fought in WW2 and he said the yanks were "hopeless" there was a saying, when the Brits bomb the Germans duck, when the Germans bomb the Btits duck, when the Yanks bomb everyone ducks...LOL
musicbruv 2 years ago 3
Look on utube for World At War: Alone
it is a documentry from the 1970's
musicbruv 2 years ago
Just to make it easy for you,
1 Western europe was under German control. 2, German forces were just 25 miles away from our shores. 3. No other country was involved it was just us and the Germans, 4, Australia, South Africa, India not attacked! Tobruk, Crete and Greece was later in the war, we Brits think you yanks are dumb, and everytime you type something you just confirm that belief, the only thing you are number one at is Bullshitting!!
musicbruv 2 years ago
musicbruv. Completely wrong. Others were involved. The Canadians were supplying you with food and materials. The Americans and Poles were fighting in the Battle of Britain. A deputy and according to Tony Benn a hero in the Battle of Britain was an Australian. The English continually undermined the Australian due to petty politics, even though he was just trying to save your ass. Note well. England was never under threat.
swanningaround 2 years ago
God you are hard work, I know we had help in food and materials and non brits flying in the battle of britain...but as a nation we were alone, if we had lost who would have been invaded? us, nobody else! who were the Germans attacking at that time? Just Britain NO ONE ELSE. and as for yank pilots they were useless, the poles were very good. Never under threat!! what was "operation sealion" then? in case you dont know it was the German code word for the invasion of Britain!
musicbruv 2 years ago
Who cares about operations. The Germans had "Operation Tannenbaum" for the invasion of Switzerland. Now Switzerland really was alone, completely surrounded. The Swiss don't carry on about "we stood alone". You people are ignorant. Germany was only one country. Italy was also invading Egypt at the same time. You didn't reply on the hero Tony Benn mentioned who was a deputy. This man also was a leader of the Polish squadrons and Biggin Hill.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround I've read some shit on you tube but congratulations "pal" this is the ultimate.
In 1939 Britain were the only free nation at war with Germany i.e. Alone.
The battle of Britain was won in Sep 1940.
The battle of Greece was lost in Apr 1941
The battle of Crete was won in May 1941
The battle of Tobruk was won in Jun1941 "Numero Uno" didn't enter the war til Dec 1941
Best stick to Rocky to beat the Russians & Rambo to beat the Vietnamese.
or the real life action of WWE
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@steelbanktrucker Complete rubbish. The Germans won at Crete. They were fighting the New Zealanders there. Wakey wakey. The New Zealanders are not British - they couldn't be more different. The Australians fought at Tobruk. The Americans and Poles fought in the Battle of Britain. See the film "the Few" sometime. Billy Fiske played by Tom Cruise was the most well known pilot of the battle. Churchill called the American pilots "the Few".
swanningaround 1 year ago
@swanningaround
"Never in the field of human conflict have so many (The free world) owed so much to so few" (The RAF including all nationalities) No specific ref to the 10 US pilots there by Churchill. Total invention by you. & then you quote the film about a pilot who never shot down an enemy plane but in the fantasy rewriting of history world that is Hollywood seems to have played a major part. That said the man had the guts to fight against fascism & has my ultimate respect.
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@swanningaround Of Billy Fiske's role in the Battle of Britain, the Battle of Britain Historical Society records:
"although Billy made several sorties he didn't shoot anything down, so that his impact on the battle in that respect was negligible, but he is most definitely still very much a hero in our book."
A hero like them all, But hey, with Tom Cruise at the controls we can rewrite history anyway we want to eh?
You need to realise that the crap that comes out of Hollywood isnt real history
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@swanningaround & Yeah the Germans did win at Crete (paste error) but the 14th British infantry division were fought it along with the ANZACS.
By the way you do realise that the vast majority of white Australians & New Zealanders ancestry is British & both nations have the British flag on theirs. We seem to share the same Queen & Commonwealth as well. "Couldn't be more different"? what a laugh!
Tobruk was eventually taken by the 8th Army (British & Commonwealth troops) after El Alamein
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@swanningaround My dad was in Crete and he was in the British army. Five members on his AA gun were killed when hit by a Stuka bomb. Nearly 10% of all Australian and New Zealand troops in Crete were British born. He was with the New Zealander's but also the Australians who made up the largest contingent. Churchill's few referred to all the pilots who fought in the battle of Britain and not just the Americans volunteers.
binaway 1 year ago
@binaway If your dad was at Crete, then he was defeated in battle was he not? Did he ever get over the shame? Crete was always considered a disaster for New Zealand. Was he a prisoner of war?
swanningaround 1 year ago
@swanningaround "Did he ever get over the shame" You ought to be ashamed for disrespecting the brave men of the allied forces who fought & died for your freedom. & don't think the USA was untouchable in WW2, because even if it had stayed neutral, the Nazis would have attacked the USA.
Like the brave GIs who fought, died & were defeated in Vietnam, there was nothing to be ashamed of. They served their country with Honour
Thankfully the vast majority of Americans aren't as ignorant. as you
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@steelbanktrucker Hey. Steady on. I respect your dad. Crete was a defeat. Americans will not countenance defeat in battle. It has never happened and never will. Unfortunately New Zealand had a very bad war going from defeat to defeat. The Australians were the same. Contrast this with the Canadians and American who won every battle. It is victory that counts. Nothing else.
swanningaround 1 year ago
@swanningaround Are you crazy? Just look up the first time Rommel met the Americans in Africa. Maybe you have just been reading the wrong books? Or maybe things are airbrushed from your history channel? The US lost many battles in WW2. Check out the US unescorted bomber raids into Germany through 1943. Those 2 just for starters.
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
@swanningaround He spent 3.5 yrs as a POW. Got bombed by the RAF, the USAAF&shelled by the Russians.He did what was expected&didn't feel shame.He remembers the Maori's would start what he describes as a war dance around sunset&made a noise that frighten him and had a devastating psychological effect on the Germans.When they stopped they charged the Nazi lines&led a charge that pushed the enemy back. The next day the Luftwaffe would bomb them back to where they started.No air power no victory.
binaway 1 year ago
@binaway Dont bother replying to swanningaround. He believes the 10 US pilots that fought in the RAF won the Battle of Britain as hes seen a Hollywood history rewrite starring Tom Cruise insultingly called The Few. Quoting this crap
he even thinks that Churchill was referring only to the Yanks when he callled the Royal Air Force 'The Few'
Unfortunately he probably believes that Rocky won the Cold War by beating the Russians & Rambo went back to Nam & beat the Viet Cong
"Hooray for Hollywood"
steelbanktrucker 1 year ago
@swanningaround The few meaning any and every pilot that fought in BOB
mattyreynolds1990 1 year ago
This battle was very important, if we had lost we could have been invaded, then where would the Americans base their troops and equipment? They would proberly stayed out of the war in europe.
musicbruv 2 years ago
Music. Uh? Like, Italy, North Africa, Spain, South France. Lots of place. They could have taken their time - no hurry. America number 1. NUMBER ONE!
swanningaround 2 years ago
America number one!! your having a laugh mate, you did not join the war untill 42, when you smelled a profit to be made. Italy, North Africa, Spain, South France, all had Germans there, south of france later in the war, Britain is an island the Germans could not get over here, thus we were an unsinkable aircraft carrier, any other countries you would have had to fight the Germans just to get a base in them.
musicbruv 2 years ago
My daughter goes to nursery in the former control tower at RAF Martlesham, the base has largely gone now but there are traces if you look, every time I take her there I say thank you to those young men who valiantly gave their lives. I hope it is a fitting tribute that the sound of children playing echoes through the place they once waged war from.
donnagibson50 3 years ago
The Battle of Britain was proberly the most important battle of the war, if we had lost and got invaded then the USA would not have joined the war in Europe, as they would not have had any where to stage their forces, as it was England became an unsinkable aircraft carrier from which D-Day was launched and helped bring about the end of the war.
musicbruv 3 years ago
britain would lost without usa help eaven in hard times when german submarines sunked support ships
laupiaslammas 3 years ago
a battle as important to the outcome of the war as the battle for stalingrad, or kursk, if indeed not more important. If Britain had gone down then there would have been no foothold for America to do its famous "we'll let you do all the fighting and come in a year or two late routine"
hoppuss44 3 years ago
Exactly, we waited from 1914-1917, then from 1939-1941. Now whatever you believe about the moral right of either side in WWI, the fact that they were so hesitant to enter world war two, a clear battle in which the moral right of the allies could not be impugned, shows who they are. Lend-lease? We didnt finish paying them back until 2007. "Your friend is drowning so sell him some rope" springs to mind.
FraserTheMentalist 3 years ago
"a battle as important to the outcome of the war as the battle for stalingrad, or kursk"
Not really, they still would need to actually invade Britain, and even with German air superiority this would have been extremely difficult.
For example the Royal Navy was vastly superior to the Kriegsmarine and Germany had no real landing crafts, they were going to use river barges to transport their invasion force.
Operation sealion would most likely have been a huge failure for Germany.
jimmyn89 3 years ago
Whoah the scene with the 1000's of planes and explosions was crazy.
raccoonmatinginyour 3 years ago
Damned, didn't we German bastards scare the shit out of this world once!
Nice.
Prachtpimmel 3 years ago
Hehe yes you did. That why we and the Russians and the Americans had to come over there and show you who your masters were :)
frjack5150 3 years ago
A magnificent display of our greatness pip pi
nigel1866 3 years ago
The HE111 is just a beautiful plane. It's a shame more of them weren't preserved for historical purposes.
darkyoda 3 years ago
There are hundreds of Heinkels, Dorniers and Messerschmits presevered, all over England.
Mostly preserved in peat bogs and scattered over the south downs :)
frjack5150 3 years ago
You'll never see so many Heinkels again, Duxford has one but when I asked about its airworthyness, they said its unlikely to fly again - shame - GET ONE UP!
Jagdtoq 3 years ago
fuck him lol
ekul97 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
British people shold al be slaves to Russia. Ther all useless people that talk like girls.
runescape501 3 years ago
you wish.. if it wasnt for us and america you russians would probably be speaking german right now.
Ouplo 3 years ago 3
the reason that russia survived was that it was so much to conquer and there was the winter,hitler was a landaholic and when he turned his attention to russia he just wanted it and made a stupid decision attacking it
lazerman134 3 years ago
You're thick, sort it out.
FraserTheMentalist 3 years ago
The Battle of Britain will forever be marked as the David and Goliath epic. I look forward to the remake of this great battle, with all the technology of recreating such warbirds will no doubt be breath taking. It is my hopes that a company in England will produce such film. I fear that Hollywood will just ruin as they did in the movie Pearl Harbor. Thats my opinion from an American.
aaaayes 3 years ago 2
I do think there making such a film, called "The Few", but I can already tell its been compleatly ruined by typical hollywood ignorance, the star is... guess what an 'American' only 7 americans sevred in the battle of briain out of around 2000 pilots, The star is based on a real life american who served in the battle called billy fiske, respect to him for helping, but he dident actually shoot any germans down, but no doubt he wins the battle single handed in the film.
olliewarrior 3 years ago 3