Enhanced Geothermal Systems (EGS)

[JasonVladimir]

So simple it's brilliant!

[Keessince1988]

Watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward. It presents a possible new social global system and economy. We need a new global economy if we want EGS to be a success. Energy needs to be scarce to make a profit of it in this system. That's why we will never utilize EGS fully. We need a new system which is based on the Earth resources and not based on infinite growth on a planet with finite resource like we have now. Zeitgeist Moving Forward is featured on my channel.

[DaBomb1]

I wonder whether the pipes could be broken if there is a bit of seismic activity...that seems like it could be the biggest barrier to this. Drilling holes that deep must be expensive, and tectonic plates can move a great deal during an earthquake.

[pansongrengurenge]

geothermal will make earth ice age once again

[5random1]

@pansongrengurenge

You neither understand what is being done, nor how earth's core heat and crust heat function.

Try geology 101 and physics 101 (high school courses will be adequate)

[pansongrengurenge]

@5random1 not good with this stuffs lol

[kunoization]

but jesus always said moderation was key

[kunoization]

my step dad matt told me the story of the Mississippi river and he also told me about how no energy is free and he is a mIT grad if you want credentials you could always take grad 11 science again

[kunoization]

no there is a danger because energy is not free, take a building for example the more vents you make the cooler the center gets, as for wind turbines guess what guys air is a fluid remember when they said they could never damn up the Mississippi river with the turbines..well they did, but i guess if we must learn the same lesson time and time again by the mistakes of the unconscious rationality then so be it we can find away around view points because life seems too do that

[chriszeng8]

The world's radius is 6378 km, whereas in this case, the well is only drilled a few km down the earth, it is less than 1/1000 of the radius. So, even intuitively, the energy being extracted relative to the total heat of the earth should really be nothing noticeable. I like the simplicity of the idea, it's just that the drilling is a bit of issue. Not only it costs more than an arm and a leg, but also tons of things can go wrong with the drill, which sometimes can really hinder the project.

[benandreas369]

@chriszeng8 Why not just get rid of money? Technological unemployment is inevitable, so why not get rid of it now and create a new economy based on science, technology, and sustainability. Automation will take over the service sector, and there is not evidence of a sector that requires human labor that will replace the service sector. In addition, cost effiecient will be taken out of the equation. We can find alogrithyms as to how, where, and when goods and services are shipped.

[franknblunt]

Tectonic and Stratigraphic Disruption; Water Contamination

Appears that frakking is a risk in that it creates seismic activity.

It also is causing watersheds and water table contamination. Sometimes you just have to say, oops!

[boumar19721972]

@franknblunt Use water from the sea and not only that the water is recycled. Other forms of energy that we are using right now are more polluting. Look at Japan and their nuclear reactors. Look at the oilsands in Alberta Canada.

[monsieurmarcjoseph]

Just over 110,000 views... this is why geothermal is not being developed; no one knows about it. Geothermal is being developed strongly in countries that have the resources, with the exception of Canada, because it is a viable energy alternative to fossil fuels. To create a larger market for it, and to increase investment, the geothermal industry needs to lobby governments harder, and in turn, governments need to allow for the development of geothermal by supporting the industry.

[boumar19721972]

@monsieurmarcjoseph Exactly. Justin Beiber's Baby has 487,660,765 views. So you can see that people are detached from reality.

[daltonagre]

Here in Brazil, there's no electricity being produced from geothermal power.

[mrdotbryce]

LMAO from 1:55 til the end

that's what she said !!

[anime1973]

isn't this the same technology that i read caused earthquakes in europe?

[daltonagre]

Here in Brazil, no geothermal energy is used.

[daltonagre]

Here in Brazil, there's no geothermal power plants.

[Deango2]

Drill almost anywhere in the world to a deep enough level and have stable and almost unlimited amount of energy. That just makes sense. Why can't others realize this?

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

to cool such places is to make Earthquakes and is well proven to do so... the more that do it the more it affects the whole planet! Fracture of the rock is not proven safe! The constant Earthquakes could be the rock fracturing on or the whole section cooled and snapping but ALL geothermal places get MAN MADE earthquakes right under them at about 3.0 (small UNEXPLAINED tremors). If crack are deeper and deeper it is a future problem and fresh soft WATER is still used world wide!

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

because it does not make sense! da!!!

how come you do not know this stuff?

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2 You are lying and too dumb to know what it is all about... no water no reason to drill.... dummy!

[Peterwhitlock]

What about geo fracture going down deeper and deeper due to the cracking effect of cold water on the rock at the bottom of each crack created.. a doom comes when the location turns into a volcano.

Easy is not ALWAYS the right move! many NATURAL sites exist and deep wells MIGHT be the cause of earthquakes and possible future volcanoes.

[Deango2]

@Peterwhitlock Actually they periodically shift output to other well sites. Furthermore you have no idea how it works. They use water to fracture rock into billions of cracks. Then they can put supercritical fluids into the rocks, such as compressed carbon dioxide (finally found a use for that crap) :) This allows for lengthened heat exchange since it turns into vapor at a lower temp than water. If what you are talking about was even possible, the 35+ years of research on EGS would reveal it.

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

Are you nuts? shift to other sites... you mean a group fo well near by fool! you can't shift to another country or over mountains or seas You use close by as if far and that is insulting. THEY PUMP WATER IN AND OUT almost all wells on EARTH!

#5 years of Earthquakes are proven things.... Now i have to research compressed carbon dioxide that makes no too much sense to me for it is too cold to use on hot rock as liquide as it fractures the rock and why "cool" water is used. I will look.

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

Liar no one shifts to other wells and wells are hundreds of miles from each other to prove it...lying dunce. No one is using carbon dioxide on this planet yet you liar!

[Deango2]

@Peterwhitlock Yes they do, not in EGS (that I am aware of), but when vents go cold or dry up for regular geo thermal plants, they will shut down or reduce use on those wells and plants.I find your complete dismissal of EGS to be very annoying quite frankly, what type of base load power to you propose then, because nuclear is not the way to go, that stuff keeps piling up and it always has the risk of being used by terrorist organizations.Solar and wind are great, but we need stable power as well

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

vents do not go cold! they get deeper! each time an earthquke is made by cooling the rock the cracks get longer and deeper and repeat it... the longer it runs the deeper the cracks and more fracture waters leech poisons and are evaporated or lost into ecosystems that are super contaminated now as proof... LAWS are about to close them! same for Hydrof frac wells too... they pollute too much and are scams based on lies of clean power when the waters are 2% poisons and carcinogense

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[Deango2]

@Peterwhitlock thye can contain that into a closed circuit though, plus even if they didn't it would be the same or at least similar gasses to what comes out of volcanoes, right? Plus again like I mentioned before, we don't know what to do with spent fuel rods in nuclear power, since coal has a carbon footprint and so does natural gas, then they are not good options. What clean renewable base load power exists other than hydro electricity and geo thermal? None right now.

[Peterwhitlock]

@Deango2

you seen the oil spill of BP... it is 20 times smaller than the problem of Frac waters.... deal with it!

it is 20 times worse than your worst nightmare!

[Deango2]

@Peterwhitlock This sort of stuff, even if its theoretical on paper, doesn't mean it will happen in real life. Also it will never need to happen with the use of supercritical fluids in a closed pressurized circuit. What they are talking about in this video is water, which is stupid, water takes a long time to heat up, it would take a lot of heat to produce steam. In that instance what you are referring to could be possible, but if you use pressurized fluids suck as liquid CO2, its efficient.

[Deango2]

@Peterwhitlock you can look this stuff up for yourself if you don't believe me. But like I was saying before, we don't have to rely solely upon EGS, I totally agree with you about using wind and solar too. I think it would be stupid to ever rely on one thing alone. But if you live in a area where you cant use hydroelectricity, then I think EGS, especially EGS using super critical fluids makes sense if you need base power.

[m3141592]

This is one of the few sources that genuinely could supply all of our power without carbon.

[chan0chap]

put a giant turbine on a vulcano thats what i always say.

[ldoggydogggg]

this is the future!

[ChristiansMustLearn]

fuck carbon credits and all that nonsense...invest in this

[Slynggaard85]

@ChristiansMustLearn cound't agree more. and i like your name btw

[bogeymanish]

It is now feasible under any circumstances; witness the Three Gorges Dam environmental disaster, the result of which are the destructive earthquakes due to the weight of the water backed up behind the dam. The EGS process of fracturing the hot rocks has demonstrated the earthquake potential. There is another process whichis doable but not publicly disseminated/released.

[Xterminatorbond]

exajoules?

Never hear of that.

[Issamtheboss]

10^18 joules

[ianmeadmaker]

I heard about this from the documentary 'Zeitgeist:Addendum'. It's definitely worth watching!

[blackle4ps3]

the reports viewed here say the oil cup is half empty

[LilPrintBigMessage]

Enhanced geothermal is one technological advancement that just may save the planet. We humans can't stop the march of progress inspired by our creative minds... it's in our nature to innovate and expand. What we can do is direct that innovation in ways that will protect future generations from decimating our planets fragile ecosystems -- enhanced geothermal is one such innovation.

[MasterOfAllPros]

all of your comments are intriguing, yes its costly, perhaps it will cool the core, perhaps.. i seriously doubt the earth will cool down, we are only touching the earths outer core, the core will always stay hot, man will not deplete the cores heat, because 1. we dont need that much 2. if we do, nobody will allow harvesting of the core. we must consider doing this worldwide to replace the almost depleted oil and fossil fuels, we must realize the future and use this to our advantage

[hodefjes]

Amen

[Peterwhitlock]

@MasterOfAllPros

cooling the core is not possible But by cooling the local location BE SUCKED DOWN towards the core.

It is the wase of power that is the problem and the easy to solve solar and wind and wave to give % TIMES the need of the planet without need to drill even in non needed to drill locations! It is the greed and vanity and follies to ignore given proven ways for more expensive and dangerous ways where not even needed in the first place. YOU DO NOT NEED THEM TO START WITH!

[Squatchmichael]

@MasterOfAllPros We are not even close to touching the outer core of the earth. The earth is about 6370 km in radius, so if we drill down even 10km (upper limit of capabilities), that is 100% x 10/6370 < 0.16% of the distance to the core. And the core is kept at high temperature from lithostatic pressure. But what do I know, I am just a geophysicist :)

[Tomgeothermal]

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[GoukiTehPwner]

I'm probably phrasing this question incorrectly but I have a inquiry about when EGS technology was actually created?

[MannyHMo]

When I found out many years ago that volcanic energy can be put to use I was really enthused. Lots of people are surprised that the U.S. (North of San Francisco, CA is biggest) is the top producer, followed by the Philippines, then Mexico. Geothermal is simply explained as Deep, Deeper, and Deepest. Deepest being EGS, Deeper is what is commonly used, and Deep is using constant temp of underground to heat/cool home. The U.S, can start making equipments for EGS and sell it worldwide !

[Raminagrobisfr]

Well thuis is carbon neutral, perharps clean, but it's not "renewable". The energy is taken from a heat stored in a rock mass. That's a finite reserve, as acknoledge later in the video.

[miahkbanks]

ok on a few things, our new pres thinks clean coal, wow a green/clean coal, where i want some, i'll buy it and burn it to heat my home. hmmm drilling this deep is a prob. 1 cost to much at the time. and, if done on a mass scale, it would age the earth, yeah clean the atmosphere but the core will cool down as we eat the heat from it and thus kill the planet in a long term. how long it would take, no one knows but its a possibility, but would give man kind plenty of time to get it all right

[consuma808]

Saying geothermal energy will cool the earth's core is like saying burning coal will use up all the oxygen in the atmosphere, or wind turbines will stop the wind from blowing. The amount of thermal energy that would be used is localized to near the surface and is nothing compared to the total thermal content of earth. Plus decay of radioactive elements in the earth will lead to more thermal heat in the future. There is zero danger of cooling the earth's core from this.

[youfile2]

Yes, although the oxygen cycle is renewable and wind is a function of solar absorbtion they naturally buffer themselves and not comparable to the core. Radioactive decay in the core is in steady state. it doesn't adjust its heat output when it is perturbed

[Peterwhitlock]

but we know it make earthquakes and fissures in the deep that seam to just get deeper and deeper to cause earthquakes above even if minor NOW! With no proof of security we find such geothermal power must have some kind of safety factor to it to make sure we don't make people suffer due to lack of wisdom on such things YET. Earth will need much less power soon and off the grid systems dominate to make geothermal more specific locations and under more strict rules.

[acharad]

@consuma808 Earth's core remains hot as long as the sun exists and earth turns around the sun. - because the sun is also heating that core by magnetic induction energy | And be sure that the total energy that sun gives to earth by induction and light emission is much larger than those risky nuclear thingies. (e.g. it is needed to process 10 tons of non fissile uranium-238 mineral to acquire about 60kgs of fissile uranium-235 and generates 4kgs of waste after usage to keep for 250 years)

[superasg3]

What about gus coming out of the well! nobody wants this around his home.

This thing can't work. there is allready geothermal power production in many countries and don't need to go that deep to find it. if there was more potential they would only have geothermal but they don't.

Why? Cause it can't happen more than it is allready happens

[gmehta19]

Only issue with this technology is drilling the wells. It is extremely costly to drill deep enough for these wells. This technology will not work until they can find cost-effective drilling techniques.

[Nickshark1982]

Great idea, but until coal and oil run out you wont see too much of this :(. Shits me that we waste our time with old tech instead of new clean stuff

[awells88]

The earth is NOT heating up... Look at the facts

[SBha30]

I recently saw a very interesting video on YouTube regarding Iceland's geothermal plants. It seems like a very feasible solution for our clean energy needs. Does anyone know how it stacks up against solar in terms of cost per kilowatt hour.

[rewards1rocksman]

I'm so happy our next president actually gives a damn and is willing to get serious about renewable energy, the environment, etc

[mikeburetta]

look up cal energy and find a plant..

[mikeburetta]

look it up the us now produces a lot of geo thermal heat from heat pump setups in residential and commercial sites and also power stations but we can go a lot further its a toe in the water now but needs to be advanced big time..

[benfiquista93]

to bad none of this will ever happen. the oil companies wont let it happen because they will be out of business. Trust me give it five years and you wont even know what geothermal energy is the oil companies will patent the idea and not let anybody use it much like what they do they to electric car batters. Oil companies have batteries that can run a car so many miles but hey if they let that go they make no money. everything is about money and until that changes nothing in the world will.

[realestatenow]

The US government has the power to invalidate patents if that is necessary for the security of the US. If the energy security of the US is a US national security issue, and there are firms that hold patents that prevent the US to use that technology, the US can revoke those patents and use the technology

[1whoknows]

The statement that this form of geothermal is "emission free" has me wondering about the validity of the claim.

[poodicey]

lulz, i burn tires & used electronics to heat my suv! haha im gonna watch the world burn lolololololo

[zaidmuaz25]

IM doing a science project on

Geo-Thermal and this gave me lots of information :) Unfortunatly its Not enough :{

[Deofman]

I recently did a presentaion Geo-Thermal energy and I must say that it would be only a benifit to us

[drewster11]

75% Koolaid drinkers on these comments. Anyone who thinks this might cool the earth's core is mindnumbingly uh,... IQ challenged. Try doing a little research before you made these kind of comments please. Geothermal will be the ultimate winner in the energy race within 200 years or so. The earth will cool when the sun starts cooling, not because we heat water in her crust and pipe it to the surface. Geez...

[gubatron]

what seems like a good idea now might probably not be such a good idea if the whole world goes nuts with this. Energy is not free, the easiest to imagine consequence is having the core of the earth a few degrees cooler, what could be the effects on this on the planet? I'm all for it, but it should be regulated, we can't abuse the core's heat, it must be keeping us alive somehow.

[semiliteratedgod]

Kayshadog , OldsterStillLearning

Great comments and I agree with you guys, solar and wind energy technologies didn't harm anyone.

But this method, although promising, raises some questions ... the ones you've came up with

[mamasmann]

I dont understand why world needs more power/electrisy, we how more than enough?

Same thing with oil. But what do I know, im glad living in worlds richest country :)

[physicsbugga]

yeah, what happens when the earth has a cooler core? I don't think anyone fully understands the consequences.

[nesedziu]

I agree with you. The Law of conservation of energy is simple. You don't have to have a nobel prize to tell that the core would cool down. And if we would use the same amount of energy from the earths core as we use today from oil coal and etc. who knows how our fragile planet would react. Of course who knows i may be wrong.. I didn't do a scientific reaserch on that:). That's just MY OPINION.

P.S. sorry for my bad english.

[danieljpost]

"The Law of conservation of energy is simple. You don't have to have a nobel prize to tell that the core would cool down."

I don't think this is really anything to worry about, even on scales of millions of years.

The earth's mass is 5.9736×10^24 kg - that is to say ridiculously massive - and 99.9% of it is much hotter than the surface. We're always going to be able to pull heat out.

In addition to the huge amount of heat already there, more is being added by nuclear decay. Really can't run out

[davinpilling]

Tell me how I can help!

[j0hnwi11iams]

Maybe they can cool down yellowstone sufficiently to keep it from expoding. Just saying.

[MarkG45]

yea, it's great that google is trying to bring the world into the next century, so why don't they stop actively supporting and enhancing the oppression of Chinese citizens?

[purline100]

That's a new way to think about the issue of energy.

[nopsychs]

Uhhh, what? Can we take one issue at a time here? Wouldn't that be a totally separate video somewhere else on YouTube? Geez. Why not admit this is AWESOME and give them a pat on the back for that. Save the negative for some other forum.

[stef1975]

I'd love to know how they plan to keep the water hot as it's pumped back up to the surface, several kilometers from where it was heated. Water doesn't stay hot forever, particularly when it's exposed to cold rock for such a long distance. Then there's the matter of the area they're using cooling down over time as more and more water is pumped through it. I just can't envision this as being a viable method of extracting energy from the Earth.

[arjunsohi]

as many said, "what if"?

if water is pumped in the surface, no doubt it will change to steam because of the intense heat.

BUT-

that means heat (energy) will transfer from the molten matter of the earth to the water.

it will be small at first, but slowly, they will drill more, and more energy will be used.

this will bring a lot of environmental change on the ground, maybe not so soon, but it will for sure.

[nopsychs]

Is this your opinion or some fact you can reference?

[Kayshadog]

I do like this idea, but we should proceed with caution.

My old neighbor was a logger. In 1940 the forest was endless. Today he's shocked how billions of us have destroyed much of what sustains us. His generation thought it was impossible.

Might this technology repeat this error? Could long-term, world-wide, seemingly insignificant energy extraction accumulate affecting over-all core temperature? Could the injected water cause tectonic plate slippage? Has anyone modeled the "what if" factor?

[greyflcn]

re: Kayshadog

I suggest you consider the scale we're talking about.

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Perhaps not "endless" but rather close to it.

[redshift40]

Geothermal and solar collectors is the answer to our energy needs. The change over is going to be very slow, so get used to taking it up the ass from the big oil companies for the next 50 years.

[barophobia]

How is a Hindu man's headpiece going to generate electricity?

[mapleneck422]

your stupidity implies that you are an american.

[imposedminority]

American's also own/run Google.

[barophobia]

Are you sure you're willing to call all Americans stupid simply because you mistook my joke as a racist comment?

[fireofenergy]

What does that make of you? A worm!

[fireofenergy]

mapleneck that is

[fireofenergy]

I can't believe I let a racist get me mad...

Anyways, I always wondered why geothermal was so "limited". It's EGS that is UNlimited. Even better than the almost unlimited nature of concentrated solar power with molten salt heat storage. The only thing better about all them mirrors is that they can help reflect the sun to make up for all that heat brought up from below (even though less than CO2 entrappment).

The heat from Earth is about a google times the heat we use...

Right on Google!

[arjunsohi]

wait....what?

[mv71687]

bring this to everyone!

[sharkssonline]

sounds plausible! Just one, potentially irrelevant question:

what if the heat, that would otherwise be dissipated out into the atmosphere, plays a major role in maintaining a balance in the earth's climate?

[elmenhorster]

go google!