@MissTeeRee Because she doesn't even know what they do in England. Go to dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090332/Four-patients-die-thirsty-starving-EVERY-DAY-hospital-wards-damning-new-statistics.html
And find out why Cameron is calling the hospital shots..
@90JCR Stupid: You had bills and you had insurance it's called NHS deductions - You've been paying for the service all of your life, and will continue to pay for it for the rest of your natural.
Actually, they reserve the right to charge you £200 for an ambulance. They almost never do, but they can if they want. Also, in Scotland prescription is free :) x
@littlemissrandomish are you completely insane there has never been one case of paying for an nhs ambulance in the nhs's history nor will there ever be. it's the same in europe canada and asia ie no one pays for healthcare, it's provided
In the USA, one just hopes one doesn't get sick. Unless one is lucky enough to be part of the shrinking segment of the population with real health insurance from work, a significant hospitalisation means being in debt for the rest of one's life.
@mmhansen In the UK, one just hopes that one doesn't get sick, Unless one is luck to have money for private sector. One has to wait 18 weeks with a million other waiters! One is forced to purchase health INSURANCE but has limited access.In the USA, one has full and immediate access but may not have INSURANCE.
@ytalanwms Full and immediate access? To the emergency ward, perhaps. For "elective" procedures, you can wait a fairly long time in the USA, too. It is VERY hard to find a GP who is taking new patients, and vast parts of the country have nearly no health services at all.
For a couple of lab tests and a few hours waiting in a bed, I was charged a third of my annual take-home pay. My employer's health plan only added new employees once a year, and I had a couple of months left to go.
Just FYI .. having a baby in the US costs about $8000 ... that is a normal pregnancy and natural delivery .. any kind of complication like a c-section or a distressed baby will jack that price up.
Yes, we might pay a lower rate in taxes, but if you were to add what we pay to insurance companies to our taxes you'd see us paying twice as much as the UK. Most of the taxes you mentioned we pay here as well.
Pound that tr0ll. You don't have anything better to say and will resort to either repeating what you previously said in a somewhat different manner, or using profanity and verbal violence against me.
The British Nazi is a truly insecure creature. He insists that his wonderland of white men will be the solution to everything. In truth, he is an insecure juvenile delinquent, and practices anti-social behaviour with his "hommies" and "ghetto boys" in his nazi gang. He picks on little children to compensate for his small mind and microscopic penis. His gang is filled with like minded individuals, and the rare paedophile. His base is a treehouse that he plays "tag" in.
British Bolshevik? LMAO. Communism has no bearing with immigration policy. Go back to stormfront. People run to western countries for a better life. It's just people in some of those groups have the same general mindset as you, and decide to corrupt western society in the same ways you have. Again, calling me a communist further affirms what I've said previously.
The American healthcare system is where ignorant dumbasses go. Rednecks with shotguns guard every room of the hospitals. They most likely wear stetson hats, or T-Shirts saying "Stormfront". If you cannot pay up, they go racketeering. If you complain, you are called a communist, and subject to life-long harassment, and you spend 10 years in torment before snuffing yourself out.
Oh, I've been paying in for years and my employers also pay private insurance for me. When I was diagnosed recently with a serious problem the private company refused to cover the cost of the drugs I needed. The NHS is excellent. Anyone slagging it; stay healthy or be rich!
I'm sorry but you really need to go read up on UK taxation. Basically the NHS is funded from various types of taxation and is a service available to everyone 'free at the point of use'. If you wish to pay for private care or insurance it is available and is your choice to do so. That is all!
@paulmccartney96xx hmmm minority of people who (as a minority) statistically (fact) have faced more malpractice allegations than doctors educated in the. No i havent watched it because im not saying the U.S system is correct - im saying the UK system is tantamount to that of a communist state. The NHS is poorly ran and abused and statically you're more likely to die from treatable conditions compared to most west countries. This plus we enable docs WHO CANT SPK ENGLISH to have jobs in UK hosp
@august251976 Indeed, the service is nowhere near as bad as plutocrats in the US would have you think. They seem to have adopted the fantasy that seeing a doctor is some kind of lottery, which is, frankly, bullshit. Just last week I booked an apppointment to see my doctor. I was seen within 3 days.
But you hear this nonsense about communism and "death panels," whereas actually the system is a very impure form of socialism, backed by the VAST VAST majority of the British people.
Look, mate, I don't know if you live in a box or something, but you seem to be under the delusion that the NHS provides a bad service. Tell me, have you ever visited your local hospital? From first hand experience, I can tell you that the service does it's job.
As far as I'm concerned, it's better than being forced to pay for some screwed up insurance system.
wtf, "tantamount to that of a communist state"? NO. The capitalist option is open to those rich enough to afford BUPA.
KILL THE LANSLEY BILL AND SAVE THE NHS FROM PRIVATISATION, MARCH ON MAY 17th FROM UNIVERSITY COLLEGE HOSPITAL GOWER STREET AT 5.30pm. "The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with the faith to fight for it"- Aneurin Bevan, this quote has never made more sense.
@paulmccartney96xx Yeah thats exactly what im saying. Of course doctors are highly trained but there are considerable amount of doctors from oversees who have not earned their qualifications - living in london, this is apparent, walk into any gp and they simply do not have a clue. Furthermore, yes, its a fact, a lot of doctors from countries we'd call third world DO actually buy their qualifications - get a grip. This is why almost all the doctors on the GMC list of revocations are foreign.
Dont forget we get taxed on everything about 5 times over, maybe more. It gets taxed on the raw materials to make the product, the labour, the vat, etc
Ask the English Girl - yeah damn right doctors go oversees to earn more money in the USA. People no longer go into medicine for the feel good factor - they do it for the money because it financially secures their future, like an accountant, banker etc. This is why the NHS is having to pay some docs 250,000 a year, the NHS cannot do this and survive, we need a system which encourages competition and therefore competitive prices. All the European countries who had NHS systems abandoned them!!!
@JennyFarlopez I'm going to be honest on that one. I can point every country on the world map (had a A on that one during primary school). But.. former Yugoslavia ended up in 7 countries, so I might have a problem with that.
@JennyFarlopez Well.. the EU works as follow. We all bring in our billions of tax. The Spanish have a nice sign that says (empty) roads subsidised by the EU, while our roads are stuck. It's always easy to stick a tap into a big money vat. When Spain would be cometitive to Holland, I would say, bad luck for us. Now you don't, it's wasted money. Our roads are stuck.
@JennyFarlopez Look Spain isn't a trade country. I've tried to do business with Spain, it didn't work out. I had to make calls to India, next I ended up in Britain. Why? Because all your international companies have interactive voice response. IVR. Nobody understands that. When you want to do business.. first thing you hear is blablabla bla unos, blablabla dos, blablabla.. tres. That's when people hang up.
Just to clear up this issue on National Insurance. NI is paid both by you (from your pay) and by your employer. While NI contributes to the NHS it also pays for any sickness benefits to which you are entitled (even for short periods off for flu etc.). These benefits also go to your employer who gets NI rebate as they have paid your salary while you were off sick. In addition NI pays your state pention when you reach pensionable age. This is paid until you die. So NI enables you to get sick pay,
And it's kind of funny when people say it's free. It's not free. It cost 20% of your income. Which in my case, would be about 10 times what I spend on healthcare. It's not free if you pay ten times what it would have cost you if it wasn't free. Just because you don't get a bill, don't mean its free.
@StrongNblind When a UK citizen says its free they mean "free at the point of need" it should go without saying it is not free. I note you are from the US and don't read so can you please explain how the NHS costs 20% of income given US healthcare system (joke) costs twice that of the UK's? If you do not read perhaps you watch and listen, if so Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. Regards
Why don't we socialize every thing? Then instead of getting paid when we go to work, we could give it all to the socialist government. From there it can be distributed equally as they see fit. But not in a form of money, no. It will be decided how much each individual needs.Electricity, toilet paper, gas... Where you live, how you live, what you do, how you do it will all be decided as a whole. You wish to be an individual? Well to bad. There is no such thing as individualism with socialism.
@wrexhamjack123 She is 100% correct to say England. Things are different between England, Wales, NI and Scotland. The cost of prescriptions for example. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7925167.stmealth/7925167.stm
ytalanwms loves quoting articles from UK papers even if they are only ideas or proposals he makes them read like facts. He keeps rabbiting on about his brother if the US medical system is so good how come he did not pay for his brother to go to the US ands save his life. Probiotics are easily and cheaply available at any supermarket or health store they are not expensive to buy and are not also Morgena1 lives in Germany nothing to do with the NHS?
"Thousands to have access to sight-saving drug after health watchdog u-turn
Thousands of people at risk of blindness will be given access to a sight-saving treatment following a u-turn by health watchdogs. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is set to drop the original guideline to only give the drug to those who have already lost sightIt." If "ytalanwms" must use the Daily Mail he should try to get his facts right.
Oh dear, oh dear I pay much more for my medicine than just prescriptions , cos I need Probiotics which aren’t prescribed by any NHS doctor, although my health was damaged by an NHS doctor and I a am in desperate need to have my Biotics in order to prevent another allergic shock..
It employs more admin staff than Doctors and nurses.
Any country thinking to adopt a system like this is setting its citizens up for longer queues, higher taxes and more lazy people scumming off working tax payers.
@LibertyDownUnder the NHS isn't perfect, few things are, but it means the least priviledged can actually survive should they have health problems, unlike the US. If I was American and really poor (due to their lack of social mobility), trying to make ends meet, and I was to break my leg, requiring a very expensive operation, I'd pretty much have to live with a broken leg, unable to pay, whereas in the UK I could get it fixed for free. It might not be perfect but at least it exists here.
@RickyPedia02, many people assume the US is an example of a free market healthcare system but this is not the case.
50% of healthcare spending in the US is by the federal Government and almost all of it is heavily regulated. Their insurance plans are tied to their jobs due to rediculous tax laws, and prices are constantly pushed by Government requirements.
Introducing MORE government control into this system will makes things worse.
More here if you're interested: /watch?v=-v66o_X8F4I
The NHS would be great if we had iron-clad contracts with our doctors instead of paying for thier education so they can piss off to other countrys that pay more. Also we buy all of our medical high-technology from abroad. That costs alot as well.
I live in America and I have to say how disappointed i am with the system here acompared to the UK. I work for a large company and have supposedly good healthcare plan. After being given the run around by CIGNA have been denied an eye procedure. Its a complete joke. My premiums are extremely high too. Hugely disappointing. My mum also was told that the doctor will not do house visits. Its unbelievable. I think Americans have accepted a really low quality healthcare system. I am so surprised
@terder123 You need to purchase a better health care plan. You are only arguing about the cost. Not the availability. You can get your procedure performed tomorrow and pay later. You choose not to do that. You were not denied health care, you were told that your insurance would not cover the cost.
In the UK, for certain eye problems, you have to go blind in one eye before you get access for the second eye.
You should check your car insurance just in case you picked the cheap coverage.
I read the UK news papers all the time, and have read this particular debacle. Not exactly evidence to you, but certainly enough evidence to me provided by your newspapers.
@ytalanwms Which eye problem it is where you have to go blind in one eye before you get the other treated? and where can I find the actual story to check for myself? I don't think these are unreasonable things to ask.
@ytalanwms "I read the UK news papers all the time"
That's not actually a good defense. Our printed news media is pretty awful when it comes to facts against sensationalism; and I particularly hope you weren't reading the Daily Mail when you made that comment!
keen misunderstanding of taxes and the history of the NHS. 'Ask the English Girl' implies you have at least a partial knowledge of your own country. Not good.
If you're going to talk about the NHS at least know what you're talking about. Knowing when the NHS was formed would be a start. It was 1948 by the way. Apart from that...nice post. ;)
I agree its about capitalism versus socialism, I believe that socialism takes money from Peter to pay paul. However, as other socialist countries have shown, when you run out of peter's money, you tend to colaps the whole scociety.
@ytalanwms good thing for americans theres alot of people with the name peter........................*no im not serious,..* im canadian ...not american ;)
People seem to either love it or hate it. I guess it's like marmite (for you brits out there) The truth is, given the choice most Brits would choose the NHS over private insurence systems, that's why the conservatives would never disestablish it. It's not perfect, I don't think anyone's saying it is but there are no insurence companies so there's no middle man and health care is given as required instead of having to convince the insurence company first.
@missgracegallagher No middle man! Holly cow, I've never seen a middle man like the UK government.
I agree the the Brits would pick the NHS over private, but the truth is, they don't understand the private so they would only stay within their comfort zone. I'm a Brit, and I can tell you that I would pick the American system after understanding them both
@ytalanwms Well, ok I guess you could say that the government is a middle man but from what I've heard about the American system, the insurence companies often refuse treatment just to increase their profits - something the NHS couldn't do. I've yet to hear exactly what the benefits of the American system are.
@missgracegallagher First: insurance companies DONT refuse medical work. They may refuse to pay, but they don't refuse medical. Second: We have a Federal LAW in the USA prohibiting hospitals from refusing to provide health care regardless of ability to pay.
So, in essence, we have free health care for those who can't afford it.
People may go bankrupt if they have assets, but bankruptsy allows a person to get off without paying. It's the law.
@missgracegallagher By the way, your middle man, dictates many times what health care will be given to whom. Try getting a hip replacement at 80 years old from your middle man. I can get a hip replacement when I'm 90 if I want.
@ytalanwms Why? Would you want your taxes doubled? (the American system is double as expensive to the taxpayers as the nash - 8% of GDP in the UK, as opposed to 16% of GDP in the United States. The American system combines the worse of government control - with the worse of market freedom - it's a truly woeful system. It's without a doubt the worse and most expensive healthcare system in the developed world.
@davidjames789 UK workers pay 13% of income per person. This is more than I pay for 3 people (family).
The USA is the richest country on the planet. Why would we emulate a messed up NHS system that costs more? I have no government control over my health care. It's private.
We make up for the costs on petrol which is 2 pounds per gallon. See, our government does not need all those taxes for health care.
For your information, the NHS system is NOT messed up, and actually, the USA is NOT the richest country in the world, so SHUT UP, AND STOP BASHING A SYSTEM YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!
@islandinthesea Thanks for the information. Of course, I disagree with your analysis. I do understand the NHS since I lived it for 27 years. My opinion is in fact that is IS all messed up. I prefer our "high" cost.
I would like you to tell me which country is the richest company in the world if it is not the USA.
I can't shut up because I'm a free soul. You however are a true liberal who would like to shut everyone up. Getting upset like that indicates some truth in my comments
@scottishlad1987 Yes, I know. I also know people who have opted for the private. And get this! Since I'm English living in the USA, I can skip the debacle altogether and simply fly to the NHS for my free care. that all assumes that I can put up with the million people waiting list.
I'm happy paying less for private care in the USA than NHS prices (those txes you pay in your paycheck) for government care.
@ytalanwms the nhs costs much less per person than the american system, that's a fact. and can you tell me what care in britain has a queue of a million people? i doubt any waiting list is even remotely near that long.
@scottishlad1987 Your new prime minister Cameron campaigned with the theory that he could get the waiting list down to 500,000. Even if the numbers are incorrect, I'm happy to see some admission of guilt - Yes there is a waiting list.
I can trade health care bills with you.
My insurance for private equates to 6% Yours is 13%
@ytalanwms wrong, in britain we pay around $1,700 per capita and in america you pay around $4,600 per capita. there is not one waiting list of a million people, there may be a million people waiting for different things, but that's different. i mean, i'm sure millions of people queue every day in america at the shops but that doesn't mean they're in a queue of a million people does it.
If you made your GDP 5.5 times bigger, your assumptive expense would be 5.5 times bigger making your expense 44 percent of GDP.
I would clarify, that we are the richest country on the planet - It;s due to personal responsibility and not government taxes. That is why we provide free health care for those who can't or won't have insurance.
@ytalanwms I dont understand what you are talking about. I have experienced healthcare systems in both countries. The facts are plain and simple for me to see. Its just better in the UK. I have a premium healthcare plan provided by one of the worlds largest companies. Premiums are over USD18K!! Its suppsoedly top of the line coverage. It actually turns out to be more expensive in the US than the UK for health coverage. Plus we live longer than Americans. WHO say you are ranked 37 in the world.
@terder123 I'm glad you are happy with your health care, however I dare you to contract cancer requiring you to get a scan within a day. You will be left out on the street for many weeks - Like my brother. 8 months to get into a scanner. A little strange for the best health care in the world wouldn't you say?
He died last March.
ANy organization can make things look good or bad. They are only people. I can perform the same magic.
@ytalanwms Im sorry to hear about your brother. My mum had breast cancer. Within a week of diagnosis, she had a mastectomy, radiation and chemo was subsequently administered. She is still with us after 20 years. No bills, no insurance and no paperwork. I just think that when you apply the capitalist model to healthcare.the priority is to make a profit and not to take care of the consumer. In order to attain this the insurance companies goal is to deny you care. These are the real "death panels".
@terder123 You are wrong. The medical care your mother received was paid for over her lifetime. Her bill was pre-paid. You are also wrong in that the insurance company does not deny care. They don't provide care. They provide coverage. Care is available 100% of the time even to those who have an insurance company who will not pay. Its the law. Its the Law, ITS THE LAW.
Your insurance company (NHS) just happens to be the government. My insurance company happens to be a private company.
@ytalanwms I just feel sorry for you guys having accepted such a compromised system for your healthcare. I just hope you guys can do something to improve the conditions for yourselves
Can't imagine having a bill after surgery? I can't imagine paying 13% of my salary up front for something I might never need. We here in the USA, have free health care for all of those people that don't have insurance. (Surprise surprise) It's the law. If you want to be a hospital in the USA, you have to pay money into the kitty for the under insured.
Your health care is not responsive. That is why the law requires that a hospital responds within 13 weeks.
@ytalanwms To clairify, there is a fedaral law in the USA that requires hospitals to provide care ONLY IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION...in other words, if you are having a heart attack or stroke, a hopital must assist you even if you don't have any money. However, they will still chase you up after and destroy your credit trying to collect the money from you. If you have a slow-killing disease like cancer or Aids...pray you have insurance. Grew up in Fla, am now in London. Would never go back!!
Not quite right. Non life threatening situations are taken care of with the free hospitals. HCMC in Minneapolis for instance, people load up there (just like in the UK hospitals). These people are all on their cell phone, yet don't care to spend on monthly insurance.
You there in London are forced to spend the 13% every paycheck.
In essence, you pay either way. The difference here is that the health care is private and as such better than government hospitals inc.
@ytalanwms Didn't know about the freebie in MN. I can only speak of my own experience. I lived in Tampa, Fla... and I guarantee you this: the ONLY free health service in Tampa is the County Health Department, which only deal with STD's.... so yeah, if you get a bad case of syphilis, then you can get free antibiotics... My mom still lives there, she is 59 and diabetic, and is only working for the health insurance, as she doesn't qualify for medicare... so this is an issue close to my heart.
It's OK that people work to cover health requirements. Without that system, people do nothing. There are people in UK who have NEVER worked.
What's wrong with working? If you do nothing, then other people pay. So it's either you work or other people work.
My brother in UK died of Cholangiocarcinoma. Took 8 months to get him into a scanner. That's with all of the other people providing taxes for the service. Yes it's dear to my heart too. I realize it's 13% of your salary and it's rationed.
@ytalanwms Sorry, didn't mean for this to get to a 'mine is better than yours' debate. In fact, I'm the first to loathe such tit for tats. At the end of the day, this isn't simply a debate about health care, but about socialism vs unfettered capitalism. These are two powerful ideolgies (each with their pros and cons) that forms one's paradigm, and i dare say a random internet post will not a world view change..which is why i cringe when i see others attempting this. Anyway, all the best to you.
@ytalanwms "My brother in UK died of Cholangiocarcinoma. Took 8 months to get him into a scanner."
Really sorry to hear about your brother. I got diagnosed with early stage prostate cancer and got an MRI scan within a week. I know of others who have similar experiences with prostate cancer, plus several women whose breast cancers have been treated in a timely manner. Was the delay really due to an NHS systemic failure, or was it due to some doctor screwing up the referral?
its not free...you pay national insurance. its an insurance, like car insurance. one year you may put in £600 for your car insurance. you dont claim for 5 years so youve put in £3000. then in the sixth year you claim for you car which was stolen and get £2500. its the same with national insurance, but it is heavily subsidised as there are so many people putting into the 'claims pot' - some of whom i will never claim what they paid in. but you do pay for your healthcare.
i wonder if tommeasor ever thought that he could have rang up to ask what was going on with his cather rather than waiting 6 weeks...well done there. good one.
VAT's not on all purchases in the UK! Basic food groceries aren't taxed, and neither are kids clothes etc. The NHS was started in 1948. Both my parents lives have been saved by it (both had cancer). Americans should stop bashing a system they don't really understand.
@MrDragon1968 I'm not American, I'm British. Understand both systems. I would hazard a guess and say that our lousy system has saved millions of lives due to the technology produced by a private enterprise with their eyes on profit.
@ytalanwms I understand both systems as well, having also lived in the US. I'd disagree that it's just private enterprise that's saved millions of lives. Your missing out all the world class research done by Universities including medical departments and hospitals in the UK. I don't think our system is lousy at all (both my parents have been saved from cancer on it), however it's not perfect and has some limitations. You are right that it's not 'free' though. Anyone who works pays for it.
@MrDragon1968 and a system that does so much better and we spend much less than them even though maggie tried fucking it up! and she dented it real bad! the NHS is the only fing that makes me british the rest i dont care much for!
@MrDragon1968 That may be but it no longer works. Yes, it worked after we were bankrupt further to the second world war and for many years after wards but no longer. Why? The UK is overcrowded and as a result the NHS is overburdened, that coupled with severe mismanagement and blatant abuse means it no longer had a place in our society. The U.S system isnt great either, medicaid is abused for example and private is too expensive - need to meet in the middle. I dont think it should be free.
@august251976 What do you mean "it no longer works"? If you're comparing the NHS of 2011 to the NHS of 1948- it's a Hell of a lot better! Fuck, the NHS of the1980's was worse than today. Also, can we stop with this bollocks that the NHS is apparently 'free'. It's not. People who work pay for it. I've been paying my NI for twenty years- so I sure as shit haven't been getting it for 'free'. Only children, the unemployed & pensioners get 'free' healthcare on the NHS. The rest of us pay for it.
@MrDragon1968 I'm saying it worked when it was introduced but not know so if you wanna say im comparing 48 to 2011 then so be it. It doesn't work, a none medical jury decides how long people wait for treatment, hold on WAIT FOR TREATMENT, yes, queues for serious treatment which leads to people dieing so no, it doesn't work. Yeah, that's right, i also paid, for nearly 20 years. You also miss out health tourists and illegal immigrants getting treatment for free
@BasilFawlty4444 you're confusing the world "is" with "was" - not it's a disaster, bankrupt, mismanaged, abused and outdated. I love my country but the NHS has had it's day - it's become a free for all, giving care to people who are not even entitled, allowing doctors to practice who dont have to speak English and who have purchased their qualifications overseas, waiting lines for essential treatment. I mean - are you kidding me?
An NHS that is free for all at the point of use is brilliant.
Sure, it could do with some improvement, but at the end of the day its great. It looks after everyone. Im all for a review of the service, but I dont accept that it has to go.
Ive always said better to HAVE a health service with faults than NO health service at all.
Would you have use be like America where if you cannot pay for treatment you are put in jail????
@BasilFawlty4444 a tory - no - UKIP. Also, since when did political preference get in the way of basic common sense? I am educated and can see that the NHS is failing - so please, keep covering your eyes and ears and ignoring the obvious. Pray you dont get a serious medical condition because if you do, you'll be on a list - a list which has an order decided by none medical personnel - i mean - THIS IS FACT?
The fact that there are lists just shows that the NHS is doing it's job - providing free healthcare to all. The system has no bearing on the skills of the doctors and staff of the NHS. A close relative of mine recently had a histerectomy - a major operation. They made a full recovery.
So media makes a big deal over the small problems, but still better to have a service.
If you don't want to wait, and you can afford it, feel free to go with BUPA.
@august251976 UKIP. oh that explains your attitude you ignorant fascist bourgouis twat. the NHS is a brilliant system which works. we have the most high tech treatments in the world, and everyone can be treated no matter who they are. youre obviously not educated because you dont seem to have an idea about the alternative to the NHS, how corrupt the american healthcare system is. you know there are more representatives of the pharmacutical industry in washington than members of congress
@august251976 furthermore, you agree with that racist twat SLINGSBYFIREFLY??? you islamophobic, antisemitic, racist cock. what, are you afraid of going to a hospital because they might be black, or a muslim or a hindu. i think everyone here agrees that you need to take your racist opinions and shove em up your arse.
Sure the NHS, Canada's Provincial Healthcare, whatever, is horrible on the outside, but would you rather go into the hospital suffering from dehabilitating injuries only to find you're too poor to afford it? Killing public healthcare is like putting up an electric fence and denying access to those who are disadvantaged. If people can't speak english in the NHS, that's another problem.
@BasilFawlty4444 Funny - The law in the USA requires that health care be provided regardless of ability to pay - It's only INSURANCE that may be missing. In the UK you have insurance but limited access to health care -= in the USA, you have immediate access to health care but may not have insurance.
I don't want to wait 18 weeks with a million other people on the NHS waiting list. Besides, I pay less for my private health care coverage than the required 13% paycheck NHS deduction in the UK
@ytalanwms The law may require that healthcare is provided upon demand, but in reality money often comes into it; the British Medical Journal estimates that in 2010 2million Americans refused cancer treatment because of the cost. In the US, insurance schemes often don't cover pioneering treatment, and the bills can spiral into $hundreds of thousands.
As far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to private insurance to skip queues, but don't go rubbishing the NHS... (continued)
@BasilFawlty4444 There are plenty of people in the UK who die due to lack of services, yet paid for insurance (my brother took 8 months to get into a simple MRI scanner now dead). USA industry provides pioneering tech because they can make money - Trusting your government to provide pioneering technology is worrying - they cant even provide ample services for the population - I understand the NHS because I'm British - I'll keep my private care thank you very much.
@ytalanwms The American healthcare system is hardly something to be idolised, and American taxation is not particularly better anyway; the average middle class income tax (~$34,000 - ~$200,000) is between 25% and 28%, to the UK's 20% to 40% between ~£37,000 and ~£150,000 (in some cases, Americans are taxed up to 8% more!)
The only difference is that in the US, it's spent on black projects and fifth generation fighters instead of universal healthcare... so let's not start complaining about taxes.
@MrDragon1968 Furthermore, inadequate doctors and nurses from overseas some of who clearly purchase their qualifications and are not qualified. So, inadequate checks regarding personnel, dirty wards, mismanagement, abuse of the system from none tax payers, abuse from employees (average 22 sick days a year) wastage, allocation of of treatment done by a panel of none medical people, hospitals closing in areas, dentists over run and not able to sign new people. ITS NOT WORKING - GET IT?
Hi darling,I lives in Czech Republic and we have to also pay income tax,health insurance and national insurance from our wages,we also have a VAT 10% and 20% then the payment for each visit of doctor's surgery,then for prescription in chemist,damage liability for our cars and all that shit...but we will never change that probably.
The NHS - Nightmare health service. They killed my sister by giving her the all clear last June. She died last week from cancer which they said she didn't have. I went in for a prostrate operation, they sent me home with a in-dwelling catheter bag. I had it connected for six weeks because they forgot to tell me to come back to get it off., and I got a hospital infection which I've never got rid of.
Please don't confuse VAT with other taxes. Fuel levy, road tax, Income tax, local council tax, are all individual taxes implemented by the government in power at the time. These are suseptable to go up and down. NI is distributed to class 1,2,3,4. in it's most basic terms. NI is SO complex in it's taxation most accountants don'tunderstand it. Mr Brown did a lot of subterfuging.over his years as chancellor. It's linked to your employer + perks you may have, + linked to private healthcare.
The retailer. VAT means that the government get their slice of the value of the item being sold via VAT. VAT cost is ALWAYS passed onto the bottom rung of the ladder ie the CUSTOMER. VAT is usually a lot less in USA that's why cost of living is cheaper out there than UK. Standard Reduced and Zero. Std = 17.5% Redcd= 5% Zero =0%. Zero = Food ( not entirely true ) Newspapers, magazines, kids clothes, items for the disabled. 1948 was NHS origin Clement Atlee Labour Party.
Then the retailers would add their fee to make THEIR profit, eg another 10%. This however i=menas the item as f yet has not seen any taxation, so the governent sticks a VAT at a rate they choose onto the retailer insisting they pay "X"% on the value of the item being sold. NOW the retailer ie Argos, Tesco Wallmart pay a tax on the item they are about to sell onto YOU the customer. HOWEVER inthier infinatewisdom the reatiler ionstead of takin gthis one on the chin, passes the cost onto YOU
Paperlilies love you lots refulgent as always. Bit of confusion here over taxes though. I'm inane at most subjects maths is a strong point for me however. VAT is a tax worldwide I believe few places refuse it, I think Saudi Arabia and some other Arab States, have no gone for it so much. VAT is a method that the government uses to stop the middleman making too much money as a retailer. The manufacturer would buy stock/raw materials create the item sell it to a retailer for profit...............
@theunderone1 Not really just those with not enough finance to provide for their OWN insurance. That amount of people is a lot in this country. Contary to popular belief the UK is in trouble financially. If the NHS did not exist they would be either a lot of poor people or a lot of unhealthy people. Simple.
We want to return to the system that we had before the NHS.In that system only the wealthy could afford health care.If you were poor,tough.You would have to pay for my services as a health care professional and I would not be cheap.I studied for five long years at university and admittedly the state paid for my university degree but that has now changed.So yes, if I put the time in,training for five years,I want to be compensated in full.You would'nt expect a lawyer to work for peanuts.
We actually dont pay that much more tax than America and small companies get screwed in America. The main reason America is screwed is due to the amount of debt the average American carries due to hire purchase/lease/credit cards etc. Americans are very much buy now pay tomorrow. Only 1% of Americans own their own cars.
Consultants abuse their positions and then harass you to make sure you dont spill the truth. They enjoy playing unethical games with their trainee- like single blinded trials. There is no accountability, and you can even get harassed during professional examination like MRCP paces. My home lines are bugged and my mobile phone tapped into. My friends and family harassed. To a point I have been acused of being a member of al Quida.
Not having a job is considered a benefit and excludes you from having to pay? Wow, sounds like being an English bum is better than being an American bum, here in America they'll just tell you to get a job, and than proceed to call you a lazy bum.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090332/Four-patients-die-thirsty-starving-EVERY-DAY-hospital-wards-damning-new-statistics.html
OK,.... This is going to quite confusing....
ytalanwms 5 days ago
Why is she so obsessed with "what they do in America" ?
MissTeeRee 3 months ago
@MissTeeRee: it's an English thing, and she is trying to patronize
her American YouTube crowd by showing interest in their country.
hegadem 2 months ago
@MissTeeRee Because she doesn't even know what they do in England. Go to dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090332/Four-patients-die-thirsty-starving-EVERY-DAY-hospital-wards-damning-new-statistics.html
And find out why Cameron is calling the hospital shots..
ytalanwms 5 days ago
I almost lost my eyesight when I was 7, the NHS fixed me up and saved my vision. I was only in hospital a week, no bills, no insurance.
The NHS makes me proud to be British.
90JCR 4 months ago 2
@90JCR Stupid: You had bills and you had insurance it's called NHS deductions - You've been paying for the service all of your life, and will continue to pay for it for the rest of your natural.
ytalanwms 5 days ago
Actually, they reserve the right to charge you £200 for an ambulance. They almost never do, but they can if they want. Also, in Scotland prescription is free :) x
littlemissrandomish 4 months ago
@littlemissrandomish are you completely insane there has never been one case of paying for an nhs ambulance in the nhs's history nor will there ever be. it's the same in europe canada and asia ie no one pays for healthcare, it's provided
jopeon1983 2 months ago
In the USA, one just hopes one doesn't get sick. Unless one is lucky enough to be part of the shrinking segment of the population with real health insurance from work, a significant hospitalisation means being in debt for the rest of one's life.
mmhansen 5 months ago
@mmhansen In the UK, one just hopes that one doesn't get sick, Unless one is luck to have money for private sector. One has to wait 18 weeks with a million other waiters! One is forced to purchase health INSURANCE but has limited access.In the USA, one has full and immediate access but may not have INSURANCE.
ytalanwms 4 months ago
@ytalanwms Full and immediate access? To the emergency ward, perhaps. For "elective" procedures, you can wait a fairly long time in the USA, too. It is VERY hard to find a GP who is taking new patients, and vast parts of the country have nearly no health services at all.
For a couple of lab tests and a few hours waiting in a bed, I was charged a third of my annual take-home pay. My employer's health plan only added new employees once a year, and I had a couple of months left to go.
mmhansen 4 months ago
Just FYI .. having a baby in the US costs about $8000 ... that is a normal pregnancy and natural delivery .. any kind of complication like a c-section or a distressed baby will jack that price up.
Yes, we might pay a lower rate in taxes, but if you were to add what we pay to insurance companies to our taxes you'd see us paying twice as much as the UK. Most of the taxes you mentioned we pay here as well.
drixnot 5 months ago
@SLINGSBYFIREFLY
Pound that tr0ll. You don't have anything better to say and will resort to either repeating what you previously said in a somewhat different manner, or using profanity and verbal violence against me.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
@SLINGSBYFIREFLY
The British Nazi is a truly insecure creature. He insists that his wonderland of white men will be the solution to everything. In truth, he is an insecure juvenile delinquent, and practices anti-social behaviour with his "hommies" and "ghetto boys" in his nazi gang. He picks on little children to compensate for his small mind and microscopic penis. His gang is filled with like minded individuals, and the rare paedophile. His base is a treehouse that he plays "tag" in.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
@SLINGSBYFIREFLY
British Bolshevik? LMAO. Communism has no bearing with immigration policy. Go back to stormfront. People run to western countries for a better life. It's just people in some of those groups have the same general mindset as you, and decide to corrupt western society in the same ways you have. Again, calling me a communist further affirms what I've said previously.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
@SLINGSBYFIREFLY
The American healthcare system is where ignorant dumbasses go. Rednecks with shotguns guard every room of the hospitals. They most likely wear stetson hats, or T-Shirts saying "Stormfront". If you cannot pay up, they go racketeering. If you complain, you are called a communist, and subject to life-long harassment, and you spend 10 years in torment before snuffing yourself out.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
should add tv tax to the list.
KatTheFrog 8 months ago
Oh, I've been paying in for years and my employers also pay private insurance for me. When I was diagnosed recently with a serious problem the private company refused to cover the cost of the drugs I needed. The NHS is excellent. Anyone slagging it; stay healthy or be rich!
MrGhostTube 8 months ago
I'm sorry but you really need to go read up on UK taxation. Basically the NHS is funded from various types of taxation and is a service available to everyone 'free at the point of use'. If you wish to pay for private care or insurance it is available and is your choice to do so. That is all!
MrGhostTube 8 months ago
there are hundreds of empty property that the nhs have all over the uk which cost over £200,000 each (billions) money just wasted.
tech4156 8 months ago
@tech4156
Sell em. Done.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
@SLINGSBYFIREFLY AGREED
august251976 8 months ago
@paulmccartney96xx hmmm minority of people who (as a minority) statistically (fact) have faced more malpractice allegations than doctors educated in the. No i havent watched it because im not saying the U.S system is correct - im saying the UK system is tantamount to that of a communist state. The NHS is poorly ran and abused and statically you're more likely to die from treatable conditions compared to most west countries. This plus we enable docs WHO CANT SPK ENGLISH to have jobs in UK hosp
august251976 8 months ago
@august251976 Indeed, the service is nowhere near as bad as plutocrats in the US would have you think. They seem to have adopted the fantasy that seeing a doctor is some kind of lottery, which is, frankly, bullshit. Just last week I booked an apppointment to see my doctor. I was seen within 3 days.
But you hear this nonsense about communism and "death panels," whereas actually the system is a very impure form of socialism, backed by the VAST VAST majority of the British people.
BasilFawlty4444 8 months ago
@august251976
Look, mate, I don't know if you live in a box or something, but you seem to be under the delusion that the NHS provides a bad service. Tell me, have you ever visited your local hospital? From first hand experience, I can tell you that the service does it's job.
As far as I'm concerned, it's better than being forced to pay for some screwed up insurance system.
wtf, "tantamount to that of a communist state"? NO. The capitalist option is open to those rich enough to afford BUPA.
BasilFawlty4444 8 months ago
@august251976 Pulled out of your arse.
Congratz.
piepiepie900 8 months ago
KILL THE LANSLEY BILL AND SAVE THE NHS FROM PRIVATISATION, MARCH ON MAY 17th FROM UNIVERSITY COLLEGE HOSPITAL GOWER STREET AT 5.30pm. "The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with the faith to fight for it"- Aneurin Bevan, this quote has never made more sense.
spfanluke 8 months ago 9
@paulmccartney96xx Yeah thats exactly what im saying. Of course doctors are highly trained but there are considerable amount of doctors from oversees who have not earned their qualifications - living in london, this is apparent, walk into any gp and they simply do not have a clue. Furthermore, yes, its a fact, a lot of doctors from countries we'd call third world DO actually buy their qualifications - get a grip. This is why almost all the doctors on the GMC list of revocations are foreign.
august251976 9 months ago
actualy denmark pays the most taxes
syNix1337 9 months ago
DO A VIDEO ON WHY WE SHOULD LEGALISE CANNABIS! WOOOO
tiddlywinks98712 9 months ago
Dont forget we get taxed on everything about 5 times over, maybe more. It gets taxed on the raw materials to make the product, the labour, the vat, etc
sy2pie 9 months ago
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heber78 10 months ago
Ask the English Girl - yeah damn right doctors go oversees to earn more money in the USA. People no longer go into medicine for the feel good factor - they do it for the money because it financially secures their future, like an accountant, banker etc. This is why the NHS is having to pay some docs 250,000 a year, the NHS cannot do this and survive, we need a system which encourages competition and therefore competitive prices. All the European countries who had NHS systems abandoned them!!!
august251976 10 months ago
what is a p
aklaira 10 months ago
@aklaira Wow - Pence - 1% of a £. It's the denomination, like a cent is 1% of a $.
PollyHarrison 9 months ago
ya, it blows my mind too...
opethandoceans 10 months ago
Screw the contents, she's hot.
Fantasticifaction 10 months ago
All that money go's to the EU. EU gives it away.. spends it on the roads for Poland and Spain, who are pretty much empty, while yours are stuck.
Brulluhman 11 months ago
@Brulluhman I bet you can't locate Poland nor Spain in a map.
JennyFarlopez 11 months ago
@JennyFarlopez I'm going to be honest on that one. I can point every country on the world map (had a A on that one during primary school). But.. former Yugoslavia ended up in 7 countries, so I might have a problem with that.
Brulluhman 11 months ago
@JennyFarlopez Incl. Warschau and Madrid, Portugal.. Lissabon.. etc.
Brulluhman 11 months ago
@JennyFarlopez I've been to Salou. Very nice party place. Pacha best club... where do live in Spain?
Brulluhman 11 months ago
@Brulluhman Personally I don't care whether or not Spain is still recieving any money from the EU or not.
It's just your comment is misleading and a gross oversimplification of how the EU works.
JennyFarlopez 11 months ago
@JennyFarlopez Well.. the EU works as follow. We all bring in our billions of tax. The Spanish have a nice sign that says (empty) roads subsidised by the EU, while our roads are stuck. It's always easy to stick a tap into a big money vat. When Spain would be cometitive to Holland, I would say, bad luck for us. Now you don't, it's wasted money. Our roads are stuck.
Brulluhman 11 months ago
@JennyFarlopez Look Spain isn't a trade country. I've tried to do business with Spain, it didn't work out. I had to make calls to India, next I ended up in Britain. Why? Because all your international companies have interactive voice response. IVR. Nobody understands that. When you want to do business.. first thing you hear is blablabla bla unos, blablabla dos, blablabla.. tres. That's when people hang up.
Brulluhman 11 months ago
you should be happy you live in the UK! Here, in Poland, we receive as much as 68% of our income. The rest is taxes health care, etc.
gregorsv 11 months ago
(cat just stood on keyboard before I had finished)!!
NI pays for your sick pay, healthcare and a state pention. It also pays for benefits if you lose your job.
Try getting insurance for all that at the rate at which we pay NI. Not a bad deal!
Bigfatpieeater 11 months ago 2
Just to clear up this issue on National Insurance. NI is paid both by you (from your pay) and by your employer. While NI contributes to the NHS it also pays for any sickness benefits to which you are entitled (even for short periods off for flu etc.). These benefits also go to your employer who gets NI rebate as they have paid your salary while you were off sick. In addition NI pays your state pention when you reach pensionable age. This is paid until you die. So NI enables you to get sick pay,
Bigfatpieeater 11 months ago
Yeah, well what happens to you if you're over 55 and your kidneys fail? Death. Cause dialysis is too much and you're not worth it any more.
ExZonie 11 months ago
@ExZonie They get treated that's one reason why UK citizens live longer than US ones.
davijeph 11 months ago
Yeah, well what happens to you if you're over 55 and your kidneys fail? Death.
ExZonie 11 months ago
And it's kind of funny when people say it's free. It's not free. It cost 20% of your income. Which in my case, would be about 10 times what I spend on healthcare. It's not free if you pay ten times what it would have cost you if it wasn't free. Just because you don't get a bill, don't mean its free.
StrongNblind 1 year ago
@StrongNblind When a UK citizen says its free they mean "free at the point of need" it should go without saying it is not free. I note you are from the US and don't read so can you please explain how the NHS costs 20% of income given US healthcare system (joke) costs twice that of the UK's? If you do not read perhaps you watch and listen, if so Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context”. Regards
davijeph 11 months ago
@StrongNblind we pay about 14p tax each for our universal health service... Americans pay $3000 for an xray lol
TheGameBWS09 11 months ago
Why don't we socialize every thing? Then instead of getting paid when we go to work, we could give it all to the socialist government. From there it can be distributed equally as they see fit. But not in a form of money, no. It will be decided how much each individual needs.Electricity, toilet paper, gas... Where you live, how you live, what you do, how you do it will all be decided as a whole. You wish to be an individual? Well to bad. There is no such thing as individualism with socialism.
StrongNblind 1 year ago
Pretty much everything you said was wrong because it's the UK not England.
wrexhamjack123 1 year ago
@wrexhamjack123 She is 100% correct to say England. Things are different between England, Wales, NI and Scotland. The cost of prescriptions for example. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7925167.stmealth/7925167.stm
independence4wales 1 year ago
ytalanwms loves quoting articles from UK papers even if they are only ideas or proposals he makes them read like facts. He keeps rabbiting on about his brother if the US medical system is so good how come he did not pay for his brother to go to the US ands save his life. Probiotics are easily and cheaply available at any supermarket or health store they are not expensive to buy and are not also Morgena1 lives in Germany nothing to do with the NHS?
davijeph 1 year ago
Daily mail (please note date) 14/12/2007 09:37
"Thousands to have access to sight-saving drug after health watchdog u-turn
Thousands of people at risk of blindness will be given access to a sight-saving treatment following a u-turn by health watchdogs. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is set to drop the original guideline to only give the drug to those who have already lost sightIt." If "ytalanwms" must use the Daily Mail he should try to get his facts right.
davijeph 1 year ago
Oh dear, oh dear I pay much more for my medicine than just prescriptions , cos I need Probiotics which aren’t prescribed by any NHS doctor, although my health was damaged by an NHS doctor and I a am in desperate need to have my Biotics in order to prevent another allergic shock..
Morgena1 1 year ago
You are Absolutely Gorgeous! from the lack of accent i'm thinking midlands area, maybe Leamington or Rugby maybe?
rikgear 1 year ago
The NHS is a dog of a system.
It employs more admin staff than Doctors and nurses.
Any country thinking to adopt a system like this is setting its citizens up for longer queues, higher taxes and more lazy people scumming off working tax payers.
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
@LibertyDownUnder I agree
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@LibertyDownUnder the NHS isn't perfect, few things are, but it means the least priviledged can actually survive should they have health problems, unlike the US. If I was American and really poor (due to their lack of social mobility), trying to make ends meet, and I was to break my leg, requiring a very expensive operation, I'd pretty much have to live with a broken leg, unable to pay, whereas in the UK I could get it fixed for free. It might not be perfect but at least it exists here.
RickyPedia02 1 year ago
@RickyPedia02, many people assume the US is an example of a free market healthcare system but this is not the case.
50% of healthcare spending in the US is by the federal Government and almost all of it is heavily regulated. Their insurance plans are tied to their jobs due to rediculous tax laws, and prices are constantly pushed by Government requirements.
Introducing MORE government control into this system will makes things worse.
More here if you're interested: /watch?v=-v66o_X8F4I
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
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publichealthiom 1 year ago 5
The NHS would be great if we had iron-clad contracts with our doctors instead of paying for thier education so they can piss off to other countrys that pay more. Also we buy all of our medical high-technology from abroad. That costs alot as well.
temporaldisplacement 1 year ago
@temporaldisplacement
Because you'd rather not pay doctors high wages and get shit medical treatment.
Medical tech is high value because its rarely you need it, UNTIL YOU DO!
If you really wanted to cut doctors wages, I want to see your medical shit, because you deserve to die in pain because you are a fucking idiot.
Lollocide 1 year ago
@Lollocide When did I say I wanted doctors wages cut?
And precisely what 'medical shit' of mine did you want to see?
temporaldisplacement 1 year ago
get your shit together before you start talking!!!
coz1211 1 year ago
@coz1211 A psychologist would have a ball with that sentence.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
I live in America and I have to say how disappointed i am with the system here acompared to the UK. I work for a large company and have supposedly good healthcare plan. After being given the run around by CIGNA have been denied an eye procedure. Its a complete joke. My premiums are extremely high too. Hugely disappointing. My mum also was told that the doctor will not do house visits. Its unbelievable. I think Americans have accepted a really low quality healthcare system. I am so surprised
terder123 1 year ago
@terder123 You need to purchase a better health care plan. You are only arguing about the cost. Not the availability. You can get your procedure performed tomorrow and pay later. You choose not to do that. You were not denied health care, you were told that your insurance would not cover the cost.
In the UK, for certain eye problems, you have to go blind in one eye before you get access for the second eye.
You should check your car insurance just in case you picked the cheap coverage.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms "In the UK, for certain eye problems, you have to go blind in one eye before you get access for the second eye."
Evidence?
mandolinic 1 year ago
Defense?
I read the UK news papers all the time, and have read this particular debacle. Not exactly evidence to you, but certainly enough evidence to me provided by your newspapers.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Which eye problem it is where you have to go blind in one eye before you get the other treated? and where can I find the actual story to check for myself? I don't think these are unreasonable things to ask.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@ytalanwms "I read the UK news papers all the time"
That's not actually a good defense. Our printed news media is pretty awful when it comes to facts against sensationalism; and I particularly hope you weren't reading the Daily Mail when you made that comment!
MrDragon1968 1 year ago
keen misunderstanding of taxes and the history of the NHS. 'Ask the English Girl' implies you have at least a partial knowledge of your own country. Not good.
thegreatloy 1 year ago
youre not entirely sure what you're talking about it seems...
MorginWard 1 year ago
If you're going to talk about the NHS at least know what you're talking about. Knowing when the NHS was formed would be a start. It was 1948 by the way. Apart from that...nice post. ;)
jasonleigh1974 1 year ago
I agree its about capitalism versus socialism, I believe that socialism takes money from Peter to pay paul. However, as other socialist countries have shown, when you run out of peter's money, you tend to colaps the whole scociety.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms good thing for americans theres alot of people with the name peter........................*no im not serious,..* im canadian ...not american ;)
snapyofingersbeach 1 year ago
People seem to either love it or hate it. I guess it's like marmite (for you brits out there) The truth is, given the choice most Brits would choose the NHS over private insurence systems, that's why the conservatives would never disestablish it. It's not perfect, I don't think anyone's saying it is but there are no insurence companies so there's no middle man and health care is given as required instead of having to convince the insurence company first.
missgracegallagher 1 year ago
@missgracegallagher No middle man! Holly cow, I've never seen a middle man like the UK government.
I agree the the Brits would pick the NHS over private, but the truth is, they don't understand the private so they would only stay within their comfort zone. I'm a Brit, and I can tell you that I would pick the American system after understanding them both
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Well, ok I guess you could say that the government is a middle man but from what I've heard about the American system, the insurence companies often refuse treatment just to increase their profits - something the NHS couldn't do. I've yet to hear exactly what the benefits of the American system are.
missgracegallagher 1 year ago
@missgracegallagher First: insurance companies DONT refuse medical work. They may refuse to pay, but they don't refuse medical. Second: We have a Federal LAW in the USA prohibiting hospitals from refusing to provide health care regardless of ability to pay.
So, in essence, we have free health care for those who can't afford it.
People may go bankrupt if they have assets, but bankruptsy allows a person to get off without paying. It's the law.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@missgracegallagher By the way, your middle man, dictates many times what health care will be given to whom. Try getting a hip replacement at 80 years old from your middle man. I can get a hip replacement when I'm 90 if I want.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@missgracegallagher Also go to wikipedia and search for Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.
This article will explain and outline the law regarding medical attention.
From this reading, you will conclude that anyone who dies in the USA due to lack of health insurance, are those people who did not seek medical care.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Why? Would you want your taxes doubled? (the American system is double as expensive to the taxpayers as the nash - 8% of GDP in the UK, as opposed to 16% of GDP in the United States. The American system combines the worse of government control - with the worse of market freedom - it's a truly woeful system. It's without a doubt the worse and most expensive healthcare system in the developed world.
davidjames789 1 year ago
@davidjames789 UK workers pay 13% of income per person. This is more than I pay for 3 people (family).
The USA is the richest country on the planet. Why would we emulate a messed up NHS system that costs more? I have no government control over my health care. It's private.
We make up for the costs on petrol which is 2 pounds per gallon. See, our government does not need all those taxes for health care.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
For your information, the NHS system is NOT messed up, and actually, the USA is NOT the richest country in the world, so SHUT UP, AND STOP BASHING A SYSTEM YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!
islandinthesea 1 year ago
@islandinthesea Thanks for the information. Of course, I disagree with your analysis. I do understand the NHS since I lived it for 27 years. My opinion is in fact that is IS all messed up. I prefer our "high" cost.
I would like you to tell me which country is the richest company in the world if it is not the USA.
I can't shut up because I'm a free soul. You however are a true liberal who would like to shut everyone up. Getting upset like that indicates some truth in my comments
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms you can get private health care in britain too if you like, nobody is stopping you.
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
@scottishlad1987 Yes, I know. I also know people who have opted for the private. And get this! Since I'm English living in the USA, I can skip the debacle altogether and simply fly to the NHS for my free care. that all assumes that I can put up with the million people waiting list.
I'm happy paying less for private care in the USA than NHS prices (those txes you pay in your paycheck) for government care.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms the nhs costs much less per person than the american system, that's a fact. and can you tell me what care in britain has a queue of a million people? i doubt any waiting list is even remotely near that long.
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
@scottishlad1987 Your new prime minister Cameron campaigned with the theory that he could get the waiting list down to 500,000. Even if the numbers are incorrect, I'm happy to see some admission of guilt - Yes there is a waiting list.
I can trade health care bills with you.
My insurance for private equates to 6% Yours is 13%
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms wrong, in britain we pay around $1,700 per capita and in america you pay around $4,600 per capita. there is not one waiting list of a million people, there may be a million people waiting for different things, but that's different. i mean, i'm sure millions of people queue every day in america at the shops but that doesn't mean they're in a queue of a million people does it.
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
Our GDP is 5.5 times bigger than yours.
If you made your GDP 5.5 times bigger, your assumptive expense would be 5.5 times bigger making your expense 44 percent of GDP.
I would clarify, that we are the richest country on the planet - It;s due to personal responsibility and not government taxes. That is why we provide free health care for those who can't or won't have insurance.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms I dont understand what you are talking about. I have experienced healthcare systems in both countries. The facts are plain and simple for me to see. Its just better in the UK. I have a premium healthcare plan provided by one of the worlds largest companies. Premiums are over USD18K!! Its suppsoedly top of the line coverage. It actually turns out to be more expensive in the US than the UK for health coverage. Plus we live longer than Americans. WHO say you are ranked 37 in the world.
terder123 1 year ago
@terder123 I'm glad you are happy with your health care, however I dare you to contract cancer requiring you to get a scan within a day. You will be left out on the street for many weeks - Like my brother. 8 months to get into a scanner. A little strange for the best health care in the world wouldn't you say?
He died last March.
ANy organization can make things look good or bad. They are only people. I can perform the same magic.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Im sorry to hear about your brother. My mum had breast cancer. Within a week of diagnosis, she had a mastectomy, radiation and chemo was subsequently administered. She is still with us after 20 years. No bills, no insurance and no paperwork. I just think that when you apply the capitalist model to healthcare.the priority is to make a profit and not to take care of the consumer. In order to attain this the insurance companies goal is to deny you care. These are the real "death panels".
terder123 1 year ago
@terder123 You are wrong. The medical care your mother received was paid for over her lifetime. Her bill was pre-paid. You are also wrong in that the insurance company does not deny care. They don't provide care. They provide coverage. Care is available 100% of the time even to those who have an insurance company who will not pay. Its the law. Its the Law, ITS THE LAW.
Your insurance company (NHS) just happens to be the government. My insurance company happens to be a private company.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms I just feel sorry for you guys having accepted such a compromised system for your healthcare. I just hope you guys can do something to improve the conditions for yourselves
Good Luck!
terder123 1 year ago
Can't imagine having a bill after surgery? I can't imagine paying 13% of my salary up front for something I might never need. We here in the USA, have free health care for all of those people that don't have insurance. (Surprise surprise) It's the law. If you want to be a hospital in the USA, you have to pay money into the kitty for the under insured.
Your health care is not responsive. That is why the law requires that a hospital responds within 13 weeks.
For the record, I'm English
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms To clairify, there is a fedaral law in the USA that requires hospitals to provide care ONLY IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION...in other words, if you are having a heart attack or stroke, a hopital must assist you even if you don't have any money. However, they will still chase you up after and destroy your credit trying to collect the money from you. If you have a slow-killing disease like cancer or Aids...pray you have insurance. Grew up in Fla, am now in London. Would never go back!!
greginess7878 1 year ago
@greginess7878
Not quite right. Non life threatening situations are taken care of with the free hospitals. HCMC in Minneapolis for instance, people load up there (just like in the UK hospitals). These people are all on their cell phone, yet don't care to spend on monthly insurance.
You there in London are forced to spend the 13% every paycheck.
In essence, you pay either way. The difference here is that the health care is private and as such better than government hospitals inc.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Didn't know about the freebie in MN. I can only speak of my own experience. I lived in Tampa, Fla... and I guarantee you this: the ONLY free health service in Tampa is the County Health Department, which only deal with STD's.... so yeah, if you get a bad case of syphilis, then you can get free antibiotics... My mom still lives there, she is 59 and diabetic, and is only working for the health insurance, as she doesn't qualify for medicare... so this is an issue close to my heart.
greginess7878 1 year ago
It's OK that people work to cover health requirements. Without that system, people do nothing. There are people in UK who have NEVER worked.
What's wrong with working? If you do nothing, then other people pay. So it's either you work or other people work.
My brother in UK died of Cholangiocarcinoma. Took 8 months to get him into a scanner. That's with all of the other people providing taxes for the service. Yes it's dear to my heart too. I realize it's 13% of your salary and it's rationed.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms Sorry, didn't mean for this to get to a 'mine is better than yours' debate. In fact, I'm the first to loathe such tit for tats. At the end of the day, this isn't simply a debate about health care, but about socialism vs unfettered capitalism. These are two powerful ideolgies (each with their pros and cons) that forms one's paradigm, and i dare say a random internet post will not a world view change..which is why i cringe when i see others attempting this. Anyway, all the best to you.
greginess7878 1 year ago
@ytalanwms "My brother in UK died of Cholangiocarcinoma. Took 8 months to get him into a scanner."
Really sorry to hear about your brother. I got diagnosed with early stage prostate cancer and got an MRI scan within a week. I know of others who have similar experiences with prostate cancer, plus several women whose breast cancers have been treated in a timely manner. Was the delay really due to an NHS systemic failure, or was it due to some doctor screwing up the referral?
mandolinic 1 year ago
so to reacp ..........THE NHS IS FU*CKING GOOD
JasonCrossie 1 year ago
believe it or not we actually pay quite low taxes compared to alot of other countries.
Sippnizzel 1 year ago
its not free...you pay national insurance. its an insurance, like car insurance. one year you may put in £600 for your car insurance. you dont claim for 5 years so youve put in £3000. then in the sixth year you claim for you car which was stolen and get £2500. its the same with national insurance, but it is heavily subsidised as there are so many people putting into the 'claims pot' - some of whom i will never claim what they paid in. but you do pay for your healthcare.
adysweeney 1 year ago
i wonder if tommeasor ever thought that he could have rang up to ask what was going on with his cather rather than waiting 6 weeks...well done there. good one.
adysweeney 1 year ago
*edit
not just England; Britain.
pamplemousse776 1 year ago
british girls are so cool and lovely,,i love ur accent
cycober 1 year ago
What was it Noam Chomsky said about eating pussy?
viralthings 1 year ago
VAT's not on all purchases in the UK! Basic food groceries aren't taxed, and neither are kids clothes etc. The NHS was started in 1948. Both my parents lives have been saved by it (both had cancer). Americans should stop bashing a system they don't really understand.
MrDragon1968 1 year ago 31
@MrDragon1968 I'm not American, I'm British. Understand both systems. I would hazard a guess and say that our lousy system has saved millions of lives due to the technology produced by a private enterprise with their eyes on profit.
Profit has created wonderful technology.
ytalanwms 1 year ago
@ytalanwms I understand both systems as well, having also lived in the US. I'd disagree that it's just private enterprise that's saved millions of lives. Your missing out all the world class research done by Universities including medical departments and hospitals in the UK. I don't think our system is lousy at all (both my parents have been saved from cancer on it), however it's not perfect and has some limitations. You are right that it's not 'free' though. Anyone who works pays for it.
MrDragon1968 1 year ago
@MrDragon1968 and a system that does so much better and we spend much less than them even though maggie tried fucking it up! and she dented it real bad! the NHS is the only fing that makes me british the rest i dont care much for!
timetochilli 1 year ago
@MrDragon1968 That may be but it no longer works. Yes, it worked after we were bankrupt further to the second world war and for many years after wards but no longer. Why? The UK is overcrowded and as a result the NHS is overburdened, that coupled with severe mismanagement and blatant abuse means it no longer had a place in our society. The U.S system isnt great either, medicaid is abused for example and private is too expensive - need to meet in the middle. I dont think it should be free.
august251976 10 months ago
@august251976 What do you mean "it no longer works"? If you're comparing the NHS of 2011 to the NHS of 1948- it's a Hell of a lot better! Fuck, the NHS of the1980's was worse than today. Also, can we stop with this bollocks that the NHS is apparently 'free'. It's not. People who work pay for it. I've been paying my NI for twenty years- so I sure as shit haven't been getting it for 'free'. Only children, the unemployed & pensioners get 'free' healthcare on the NHS. The rest of us pay for it.
MrDragon1968 10 months ago
@MrDragon1968 I'm saying it worked when it was introduced but not know so if you wanna say im comparing 48 to 2011 then so be it. It doesn't work, a none medical jury decides how long people wait for treatment, hold on WAIT FOR TREATMENT, yes, queues for serious treatment which leads to people dieing so no, it doesn't work. Yeah, that's right, i also paid, for nearly 20 years. You also miss out health tourists and illegal immigrants getting treatment for free
august251976 10 months ago
@august251976
the NHS is the greatest thing that ever happened to this country!
BasilFawlty4444 9 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 you're confusing the world "is" with "was" - not it's a disaster, bankrupt, mismanaged, abused and outdated. I love my country but the NHS has had it's day - it's become a free for all, giving care to people who are not even entitled, allowing doctors to practice who dont have to speak English and who have purchased their qualifications overseas, waiting lines for essential treatment. I mean - are you kidding me?
august251976 9 months ago
@august251976
hmmm I suppose youre a tory...
An NHS that is free for all at the point of use is brilliant.
Sure, it could do with some improvement, but at the end of the day its great. It looks after everyone. Im all for a review of the service, but I dont accept that it has to go.
Ive always said better to HAVE a health service with faults than NO health service at all.
Would you have use be like America where if you cannot pay for treatment you are put in jail????
BasilFawlty4444 9 months ago 9
@BasilFawlty4444 a tory - no - UKIP. Also, since when did political preference get in the way of basic common sense? I am educated and can see that the NHS is failing - so please, keep covering your eyes and ears and ignoring the obvious. Pray you dont get a serious medical condition because if you do, you'll be on a list - a list which has an order decided by none medical personnel - i mean - THIS IS FACT?
august251976 8 months ago
@august251976 Oh no! a list! the horror! (sarcasm)
The fact that there are lists just shows that the NHS is doing it's job - providing free healthcare to all. The system has no bearing on the skills of the doctors and staff of the NHS. A close relative of mine recently had a histerectomy - a major operation. They made a full recovery.
So media makes a big deal over the small problems, but still better to have a service.
If you don't want to wait, and you can afford it, feel free to go with BUPA.
BasilFawlty4444 8 months ago
@august251976 UKIP. oh that explains your attitude you ignorant fascist bourgouis twat. the NHS is a brilliant system which works. we have the most high tech treatments in the world, and everyone can be treated no matter who they are. youre obviously not educated because you dont seem to have an idea about the alternative to the NHS, how corrupt the american healthcare system is. you know there are more representatives of the pharmacutical industry in washington than members of congress
komradhall 8 months ago
@august251976 furthermore, you agree with that racist twat SLINGSBYFIREFLY??? you islamophobic, antisemitic, racist cock. what, are you afraid of going to a hospital because they might be black, or a muslim or a hindu. i think everyone here agrees that you need to take your racist opinions and shove em up your arse.
komradhall 8 months ago
@august251976
Sure the NHS, Canada's Provincial Healthcare, whatever, is horrible on the outside, but would you rather go into the hospital suffering from dehabilitating injuries only to find you're too poor to afford it? Killing public healthcare is like putting up an electric fence and denying access to those who are disadvantaged. If people can't speak english in the NHS, that's another problem.
v9vREBORN 7 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444
what you don't go to jail for debt
nathanaelj100 6 months ago
@nathanaelj100 see:
ww w . democracynow . org/2004/1/7/ are_debtor_prisons_returning_to_america
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BasilFawlty4444 5 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444
Debtors prison was abolished in the early 1800's because if the person is in jail they can't pay off their debt.
Someone needs to stop reading Labour Propaganda pamphlets
cooltoye 5 months ago
@cooltoye see:
ww w . democracynow . org / 2004 / 1 / 7 / are _ debtor _ prisons _ returning _ to _ america
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BasilFawlty4444 5 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 Funny - The law in the USA requires that health care be provided regardless of ability to pay - It's only INSURANCE that may be missing. In the UK you have insurance but limited access to health care -= in the USA, you have immediate access to health care but may not have insurance.
I don't want to wait 18 weeks with a million other people on the NHS waiting list. Besides, I pay less for my private health care coverage than the required 13% paycheck NHS deduction in the UK
ytalanwms 4 months ago
@ytalanwms The law may require that healthcare is provided upon demand, but in reality money often comes into it; the British Medical Journal estimates that in 2010 2million Americans refused cancer treatment because of the cost. In the US, insurance schemes often don't cover pioneering treatment, and the bills can spiral into $hundreds of thousands.
As far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to private insurance to skip queues, but don't go rubbishing the NHS... (continued)
BasilFawlty4444 4 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 There are plenty of people in the UK who die due to lack of services, yet paid for insurance (my brother took 8 months to get into a simple MRI scanner now dead). USA industry provides pioneering tech because they can make money - Trusting your government to provide pioneering technology is worrying - they cant even provide ample services for the population - I understand the NHS because I'm British - I'll keep my private care thank you very much.
ytalanwms 4 months ago
@ytalanwms The American healthcare system is hardly something to be idolised, and American taxation is not particularly better anyway; the average middle class income tax (~$34,000 - ~$200,000) is between 25% and 28%, to the UK's 20% to 40% between ~£37,000 and ~£150,000 (in some cases, Americans are taxed up to 8% more!)
The only difference is that in the US, it's spent on black projects and fifth generation fighters instead of universal healthcare... so let's not start complaining about taxes.
BasilFawlty4444 4 months ago 2
@MrDragon1968 Furthermore, inadequate doctors and nurses from overseas some of who clearly purchase their qualifications and are not qualified. So, inadequate checks regarding personnel, dirty wards, mismanagement, abuse of the system from none tax payers, abuse from employees (average 22 sick days a year) wastage, allocation of of treatment done by a panel of none medical people, hospitals closing in areas, dentists over run and not able to sign new people. ITS NOT WORKING - GET IT?
august251976 10 months ago
A cute And smart girl! That's Rare. Congratulations!
Hraptor 1 year ago
Hi darling,I lives in Czech Republic and we have to also pay income tax,health insurance and national insurance from our wages,we also have a VAT 10% and 20% then the payment for each visit of doctor's surgery,then for prescription in chemist,damage liability for our cars and all that shit...but we will never change that probably.
Take care :o)
TheEngland44 1 year ago
The NHS - Nightmare health service. They killed my sister by giving her the all clear last June. She died last week from cancer which they said she didn't have. I went in for a prostrate operation, they sent me home with a in-dwelling catheter bag. I had it connected for six weeks because they forgot to tell me to come back to get it off., and I got a hospital infection which I've never got rid of.
tommeasor 1 year ago
I want to marry you
EdwardoisKing 1 year ago
Sorry my spelling is awful
ednuttah 1 year ago
IT'S A MINEFIELD!!!
ednuttah 1 year ago
Please don't confuse VAT with other taxes. Fuel levy, road tax, Income tax, local council tax, are all individual taxes implemented by the government in power at the time. These are suseptable to go up and down. NI is distributed to class 1,2,3,4. in it's most basic terms. NI is SO complex in it's taxation most accountants don'tunderstand it. Mr Brown did a lot of subterfuging.over his years as chancellor. It's linked to your employer + perks you may have, + linked to private healthcare.
ednuttah 1 year ago
@ednuttah Exactly BHO promised not to Raise taxes on anyone - Now he is Trying to Tax everyone with a VAT tax ........
kim8040 1 year ago
The retailer. VAT means that the government get their slice of the value of the item being sold via VAT. VAT cost is ALWAYS passed onto the bottom rung of the ladder ie the CUSTOMER. VAT is usually a lot less in USA that's why cost of living is cheaper out there than UK. Standard Reduced and Zero. Std = 17.5% Redcd= 5% Zero =0%. Zero = Food ( not entirely true ) Newspapers, magazines, kids clothes, items for the disabled. 1948 was NHS origin Clement Atlee Labour Party.
ednuttah 1 year ago
Then the retailers would add their fee to make THEIR profit, eg another 10%. This however i=menas the item as f yet has not seen any taxation, so the governent sticks a VAT at a rate they choose onto the retailer insisting they pay "X"% on the value of the item being sold. NOW the retailer ie Argos, Tesco Wallmart pay a tax on the item they are about to sell onto YOU the customer. HOWEVER inthier infinatewisdom the reatiler ionstead of takin gthis one on the chin, passes the cost onto YOU
ednuttah 1 year ago
Paperlilies love you lots refulgent as always. Bit of confusion here over taxes though. I'm inane at most subjects maths is a strong point for me however. VAT is a tax worldwide I believe few places refuse it, I think Saudi Arabia and some other Arab States, have no gone for it so much. VAT is a method that the government uses to stop the middleman making too much money as a retailer. The manufacturer would buy stock/raw materials create the item sell it to a retailer for profit...............
ednuttah 1 year ago
She's a paid hack. probably works in the NHS.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Yea sure, the millions of Brits who defend the NHS must all work for them! it's a secret plot I tell ya!
theunderone1 1 year ago
@theunderone1 Not really just those with not enough finance to provide for their OWN insurance. That amount of people is a lot in this country. Contary to popular belief the UK is in trouble financially. If the NHS did not exist they would be either a lot of poor people or a lot of unhealthy people. Simple.
ednuttah 1 year ago
Looks so pretty in this video.
plica06 1 year ago
The NHS works, its not rationed. They provide good care in clean hospitals and the doctors still get a very good wage.
kalvb 1 year ago
We want to return to the system that we had before the NHS.In that system only the wealthy could afford health care.If you were poor,tough.You would have to pay for my services as a health care professional and I would not be cheap.I studied for five long years at university and admittedly the state paid for my university degree but that has now changed.So yes, if I put the time in,training for five years,I want to be compensated in full.You would'nt expect a lawyer to work for peanuts.
philipg52 1 year ago
just a few things its not just england that pays n.i. it scotland aswell also the charge for meds if per item not just per one
also peolpe on benifits still pay n.i
aberdeencat 1 year ago
We actually dont pay that much more tax than America and small companies get screwed in America. The main reason America is screwed is due to the amount of debt the average American carries due to hire purchase/lease/credit cards etc. Americans are very much buy now pay tomorrow. Only 1% of Americans own their own cars.
kromed01 1 year ago
when you buy things in the UK dumb bitch it is called a VAT tax !
kim8040 1 year ago
@kim8040 VAT stands for value- added tax, silly
mskincaid1 1 year ago
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DO not forget the Vat tax you stupid bitch
kim8040 1 year ago
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willycampbell 1 year ago
I think EU people are full of shit !
Google
BBC Nhs Budget shortfalls
BBC Rationed cancer care
BBC millions with out a NHS dentists !
On and on and on
kim8040 1 year ago
I wanna bang her
poepineenoudeschoen 1 year ago 4
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Consultants abuse their positions and then harass you to make sure you dont spill the truth. They enjoy playing unethical games with their trainee- like single blinded trials. There is no accountability, and you can even get harassed during professional examination like MRCP paces. My home lines are bugged and my mobile phone tapped into. My friends and family harassed. To a point I have been acused of being a member of al Quida.
sabaafzal11 1 year ago
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sabaafzal11 1 year ago
Not having a job is considered a benefit and excludes you from having to pay? Wow, sounds like being an English bum is better than being an American bum, here in America they'll just tell you to get a job, and than proceed to call you a lazy bum.
silver965 1 year ago