@TheCommonManUSA Yes it is. You have no proof that it DID do this. You can't say there is no proof that it DIDN'T unless you have prove to the contrary. You can't go to a murder case and say "You have no proof that he DIDN'T murder her." It's innocent until proven guilty. You can't just say they did it until you have proof they did. That's why correlation doesn't equal causation. It's quite simple. Stop jumping to conclusions.
@TheCommonManUSA You're right there is no evidence that the vaccine did NOT cause the autism. But that's completely irrelevant given the fact there is no evidence that it CAUSED it. Our bodies are MUCH more complex than you seem to understand. What we have here is an unknown case and will be treated as such until we get evidence. Instead of just jumping to assumptions. This is how religions are formed. They don't know how it happened so they just make assumptions.
@TheCommonManUSA That's a totally different concept. Because you can SEE him hit the ground and die. You don't SEE the vaccine inside of the body causing the disease. You are simply assuming it does. I've had vaccines and I'm not autistic. The majority of people that get vaccines if not all don't become autistic. You seem to have a special case or it may have not been the vaccine.
@TheCommonManUSA "I don't really need to be a scientist to make a conclusion about vaccinations when I see a normal child suddenly become autistic after being vaccinated."
The fact that you can correlate a certain phenomenon to a different one means nothing to those who are trained in science.
Any chance, maybe, England might be open to the idea of becoming a US colony? We've got a fairly strong reputation for protecting the speech of individuals and the press, and, after all, they do kinda owe us for bailing them out of that WWII thingie.
"I am going to ignore all evidence, parrot the false information provided by discredited pseudo scientists and hurl vulgar, offensive and demeaning rubbish at anyone who dare point out that I am wrong."
Please see the Mercola interview with Andrew Wakefield. Dr. Wakefield never, ever tried to censor anybody. I have no idea where or why you are stating this as some form of fact, because nothing could be further from the Truth. Dr. Wakefield has been censored and was, indeed, unable to speak to the media/public during some of the legal proceedings, but now that the proceedings are over, he has spoken out, on numerous occasions. Do your homework, please, before you state things as fact.
Hush little baby don't U cry, doc's gona shoot U with formaldehyde.. If that formaldehyde don't make U forever sick, doc'll come up with another trick.. Recently Pakistan reported 136 cases of polio,107 of them had had polio shots. Simple test.- Let's compare health of vaccinated to Un-vaccinated.. Do Amish have autism?. Why yes- in those adopted from overseas vaccinated upon entry & those taken away by the state & vaccinated. Really not good to shoot child with poison? Who woulda thunk it? Duh.
@rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
@ rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
@ rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
Why do atheists always cling to the belief in the pseudo science of vaccination?
The original term for vaccination was immunization. When children get the chicken pox their bodies create anti bodies that give immunization for life. If vaccines work, why do people need to get flu vaccines every year?
@HumanSayNo There are several different strains in each year's vaccine. Sometimes they repeat if one strain stays active, but often they change. You can learn more on the CDC's site.
@rkwatson - Yes I went to the CDC's site and Im still baffled as to how they can predict the next years virus strain so far ahead. That's two years in a row we'll be getting the same vaccine. How can they be so sure that the virus will not change, if it hasn't changed as we speak?
I still find it incredible this argument is still going on, well over a year on. How on Earth has all the evidence against the anti-vaccination camp, or rather lack of evidence on their part, not put paid to the whole thing? It is amazing how people will continue to fight when they're already down for the count. Flailing around on the canvas way after the ref has counted ten... it's sad and frustrating in equal measure.
@mikenotnumber1@mikenotnumber1 wow, another post by mikenotnumber1 without any evidence supporting his position, and he tells me to go to the quack site natural news where they reject evidence based medicine, support all types of natural woo and quackery and foster conspiracy theories. Who believes your bullshit? How do you convince anyone without evidence, because here, you've clearly demonstrated that you can't support a simple argument with evidence, just ad hominem attacks.
@mikenotnumber1 why would i believe anything that ann coulter says? she's an idiot. yes, thimerosal in flu shots, and yet, thimerosal still has not been shown to be associated with autism so I don't understand how that matters. There's 25 ul in it. That's nothing. Why weren't weren't elevated mercury levels found in children that have autism? Environ Health Perspect. 2010 January; 118(1): 161–166.
@mikenotnumber1 "ABSOLUTELY GREAT POST!..." Thanks Mike. I notice that in 2 months RK hasn't been able to refute it. She obviously hasn't even bothered to read his side of the story - "Callous Disregard".
@mikenotnumber1 he was the LEAD author right? oh wait, he was the fourth. Hmm, and in what way does this invalidate the results? In what way does this invalidate the plethora of papers that have came to the same conclusion? Thimerosal removed from vaccines, autism rates increased.
Question is, will you answer my questions? Or just create the straw men you're so good at making.
@mikenotnumber1 please, "kick the shit out of me" through the computer? HUH??? How did you prove that wakefield isn't a fraud? By showing that he didn't misrepresent the records, accept money from lawyers suing vaccine makers, or include children in the study whose parents were suing the vaccine manufacturers? Talk about conflict of interest. Oh wait, you didn't prove any of those.
@mikenotnumber1 Haha, Mercola = quack, natural news and health freedom = methods of disseminating misinformation about supplements and antivaccine propaganda
@bayanimills - When we cross the road we look both ways. With vaccinations we are taught to look one way. Do your own research on vaccines and look both ways!
No one is teaching people to look one way with vaccinations. What are you? A conspiracy theorist?
Do my own research? If you're telling me, or anyone else, to believe YOU, he who has "done his own research" over numerous groups of independent researchers working for various universities, companies, and governments -- you are sorely mistaken.
@bayanimills - You have now stooped to calling me names. Conspiracy theorist?? I'll just repeat my original comment....VACCINES ARE SOMETIMES DANGEROUS!! BEWARE!!! I did not say all vaccines are bad and will turn you into a ravenous zombie, I simply pointed out that some times people have a reaction to some of these vaccines. In extreme cases some people die. Would you call me names for warning walkers that they where nearing a cliff edge and that there is a chance they could fall?
@HumanSayNo Everyone knows that vaccines CAN be problematic; you outright said that we are told NOT to question it, which is NOT true - Skeptics encourage a rational and reasonable responses to new evidence, not to dismiss it.
Rebecca's video is about how Wakefield deliberated falsified data to make money.
When you make comments as you did, it undermines the thoughts of parents who DON'T know much about vaccines, and to see your comments makes them afraid to use them.
@bayanimills - Well don't get too excited about Dr Wakefield falsifying data because here in the UK its starting to come out that investigative journalist Brian Deer was in fact the one falsifying data.
@HumanSayNo I'm certainly not excited about it Wakefield falsifying data. The evidence is quite clear that Wakefield was in the wrong: - Falsification of Records - Unethical Medical Conduct - The paper did not make a causal link - Wakefield called for the Suspension of the MMR Vaccine + Undisclosed Conflicted of Interests, including ... - The Money Paid to do research ... - The holding of a Single-Target Vaccine Patent Then there's the body of evidence showing no causal link. Face Facts.
@HumanSayNo When I demonstrate the problems with those "studies" that replicated his work, will you conceed that Wakefield is in fact the fraud he has proven to be?
Or, will you continue to deny evidence for the sake of ideology?
I'm confused. Why would Dr. wakefield try to discourage discussion on teh issue? If anything, I weould think he would be encouraging it (and considering how much he has been speaking out, that doesn't sound like someone trying to censor information. Doesn't make sense. Lady, you been flim-flammed, bamboozled, and taken to the cleaners. Anyone who understands methodology and has studied epistemology could easily tell that Deer and the BMJ have no case. However Wakefield does.
Wakefield discouraged discussion because investigation would, and did show, that Wakefield had in the months leading up to the release of his paper patented a single-target vaccine which would ONLY be useful if the MMR (a triple-target) vaccine was to be removed from the market.
If you're confused, perhaps you should retake your course.
Let's see, bringing a suit with little hope of winning. Hhhmmm...sounds like someone on a make to me. Lots of people spend money on hopeless battles when they "know" they are wrong. (Note the sarcasm.) The only reason one engages in a battle such as this is when they are seeking justice. Your point backfires.
The slander against Dr. Wakefield were retracted. And why is that? Maybe because they were lies. Maybe because it was obvious to any discerning person that the GMC discreditted him because he went against their agenda which is to cover up anything that may hurt their income. Anything that threatens their credibility or Big Pharma's credibility must be snuffed out, regardless of who gets hurt, children or otherwise. They simply only care about the bottom line. Wake up and smell the reality lady.
@ShenMerrick Um, no. Wakefield's paper was retracted. Nothing that the GMC discovered about Wakefield has been retracted. Please don't post random lies to try to score a cheap point.
@rkwatson As this silly thing does not allow the posting of links, please go to the website naturalnews dotcom follow by backslash 028101 underscore The underscore Lancet underscore Dr underscore Wakefield
They are not random lies. Look at the evidence. Deer's papers contain numerous factual inaccuracies, unsupported and undocumented statements, rhetorical language not appropriate to a medical journal, and so on and so forth. I'm not a "anti-vaccine person" and not in any way involved with this issues except to say that I can read, use logic, and understand a great deal more than the average person about the scientific process.
@rkwatson Wakefield always had an up hill battle against the medi-pharma complex. You tout the GMC as a honest entity when its a fact its filled with crooked capitalists. Shut your face. You're a sick sceptical witch.
@bengalslash It doesn't take a conspiracy for large corporations to act in ways that are contrary to the public good. There are thousands of examples that cannot be ignored.
@bengalslash Conspiracy? What conspiracy? That a company is more concerned with profits than quality? That an industry would go to any lengths to insure they don't lose their customer base? Wake and smell the real world! Or is it too hard to think that doctors or pharmacists wouldn't care about people?! This is the human race we're talking about here. Unless its someone they know personally they will take money over you any day of the week! They don't care about you or your kids, just money!!
@ShenMerrick if the government and pharma companies were concerned with pure profit, and not producing life saving vaccines, they wouldn't make the vaccine, have you become sick so then you would need the drugs that they produce to treat the illnesses you got. But you argue the opposite. Hm how does that make sense, go back to your troll cave.
@bengalslash Um, hello? They make the vaccine TO make the money! They also heavily contribute to illnesses to make sure that there is a demand. For example, H1N1 was created by Big Pharma. They have admitted to that already on major mainstream news networks over and over again. They made it, over hyped it, and tried to get fools to buy a vaccine for it. And it failed. The vaccine even did more damage than the original virus it was for. And this is how it is: They Lie, You Buy!
@ShenMerrick support that they contribute to illnesses? and which illnesses, and how they contribute? Biological mechanisms? Clinical data? Can you elaborate on these, poisons? Poisons is such a vague term used by quacks.
@bengalslash Monosodium glutamate? Sodium Fluoride? Saccharin? Aspartame? Just to name a few I might add. These are known to be poisonous and toxic to the human body, yet the FDA approves them all. Why? Cause they make money off of the bad health effects these things have on us. They are a business. America is a business. They want to put Lithium in the water, LITHIUM! Its a method of medicating a population. But there is no individual issuance or dosage control. They are sick villains! Wake up!
@ShenMerrick MSG? please, free glutamate is in a lot of the food you eat. Do you have any clinical data suggesting that these are "poisonous"? If so, cite it here. You keep saying to wake up, but you haven't posted anything supporting your position.
@ShenMerrick Sorry, "poisonous" in the forms that we're exposed to them that you maintain are dangerous, say eating food at a chinese buffet that uses MSG, where is the clinical evidence that a meal containing MSG is "poisonous" Because I know you'll cite some study using rats that show a toxic dosage of a diet that they ate containing %50 msg and state that it's poisonous, meanwhile the percentage in for human consumption is much lower and has no effect.
@bengalslash Any poison is poison. If they told you a "little bit" of arsenic was ok for you, would you eat it? I mean, why put the MSG in there at all? Whats the point if not to poison us? I find obvious deniers like you always call the card of "Cite your medical research" but never cite any of your own viewpoint. Very hypocritical, and very convenient that Youtube doesn't allow internet links in comments.
@bengalslash Also, its rather lazy of you to ask me to research for you, for your health. I mean, that would imply that I, or anyone for that matter, cares about you and your family. Again, no one cares about your family but your family. And mainly the immediate. Often distant relatives care about your health about as much as strangers. Doesn't inconvenience them, so what does it matter. Humans by nature are self-centered. As I'm sure you don't care about me or mine, which is in itself evidence.
@ShenMerrick so back to the original argument, you make a claim about supposed poisons, provide no evidence then talk about something off topic, you have no valid argument and you don't support said argument that I mention again you don't have
@bengalslash Do you not see the endless cycle? You get sick from the poisons in the food and drink (which they approve). Then you go to a doctor who says, "Take this medicine, it will cure what you've got!" But that cure gives you other problems in trade for the old one, so you go to the doctor again. He says, "Here is a medicine for that problem! See all better!" And while it is, there is yet another "unforeseen" side affect. Rinse and repeat. Doctor profits, drug company profits. Get it?!
This lady is likely an asperger who subscribes to neurodiversity... They ignore children like my daughter who are low functioning autistics and totally dependent on others... and oppose any research into causation or treatment. They are happy to let kids like my daughter rot in group homes when their parents are too old to care for them. Jerks.
@Quantumerik I am totally 100% certain this woman has asperger's. She seems unable to grasp anything outside of a limited understanding and her thoughts are linear without the normal ability to think in the abstract--Meaning she thinks in nothing but black and white. People and things are either good or bad with no in between.
@Quantumerik Can you elaborate? Is there are group of folks with Asperger's who deny disability (which I can understand in some ways) and project these ideas onto others? Can you explain the idea behind "neurodiversity?" (these illnesses are just "variations" of normal or something.) I haven't heard about this before and seems interesting (although I think it's a good idea to refrain from pop-diagnosis but she does seem rather rigid in her thinking patterns.) Thanks.
glasses and old maid out fit doesnt make your propaganda any more believable , why dont you do a video where you take the course of vaccines required for the first 5 years of a babies life , if your so sure there safe
@tonythatjesusloves I like her glasses. I would be willing to bet that I would like Rebecca on a personal level, but I'm guessing we would butt heads on some intellectual levels (and probably agree on many more.) Would be interesting. I have to wonder about specifically embracing a philosophy of skepticism though, "skepticism" in this sense can end up bringing a conservatism to scientific endeavor that I feel is stifling. We should be just as skeptical of "skeptic" as of "believers."
"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible"
@HumanSayNo I understand your sentiment but it's not appropriate and however much one disagrees with her statements, that doesn't justify making yourself and everyone else look bad.
I have to admit to a poor choice of wording on my part with this statement. Perhaps I should have written "I can understand the anger that would cause one to use poor language" instead of "sentiment" and I probably should have written, "like a pompous ass" instead of "bad" but the principle stands that calling people names is childish and disrespectful and doesn't assist in a productive and helpful debate. But I guess that's on you and your karma. Go for it bub.
Making statements that are irresponsible and childish and make a community or group of people appear in a negative light does not mean that I personally will be taking on a sense of guilt or responsibility for YOUR idiotic statements. That makes no sense whatsoever. It appears that instead of taking responsibility for your statements (such as I did when I explained further that I did not frame the statement well,) you decided to project onto others. That's really cool! (Not!)
@HumanSayNo Rock on. See, I think we can all be civil and not have to be boring old farts about it (although I am getting to be one of those. Hhhmmm...) Take it easy man.
(Continued) When did you ever hear of lumbar punctures requiring an ethics committee approval? Their use in cases like these has been affirmed by experts around the world.
With free speech comes the responsibility for truth. Deer's story was a complete trail of fabrications. He accessed grieving parents by presenting a false identity and continued his efforts to destroy a brilliant man's career. "Censorship" has nothing to do with it. The lives of children have everything to do with it.
RKWatson, the anti-vaccination movement was around before you were a twinkle in your father's eye. Wakefield has never been a part of it and if you think the "anti-vax crowd" has nothing more to rely on than the Lancet paper then you haven't even begun to study the issues.
Your comments on Lumbar punctures are Deer's. They are contrary to the facts that Wakefield never gave nor advocated them. They were instigated as a normal diagnostic tool by the relevant professionals. When did you...(more)
@OneJohnFiveTwelve Well, what do you expect? A typical snot nosed pseudo-intellectual claiming to know something, because she gets her information from...wait for it....TIME MAGAZINE? Here's an idea, try actually reading a peer-reviewed, INDEPENDENT, study. Try to get your news from some sources other than the largest establishment media outlets. A self-proclaimed skeptic who's not skeptical of the profiteering establishment....what?
@jj128 Thankyou, jj. "...peer-reviewed, INDEPENDENT, study..." Now in medical circles that's almost an oxymoron. But there are a few and Andy Wakefield has uncovered the ones that don't have pharmaceutical company influence stamped all over them.
Just to point out to you that skeptics are not anti everything as you suggest. Being skeptical means you look at the claim and determine from the evidence the truth of that claim. For instance real skeptics are not skeptical of evolution because there is overwhelming evidence supporting it. Skeptics are not skeptical of the existence of Australia because there is overwhelming evidence supporting the claim. This is applied in the same way for vaccines. The evidence is overwhelming.
The unlimited funds of the vaccine manufacturers, big pharma and the media NBC in this case is far in excess of anything Wakefield can raise. The establishment in the UK does not want to give any even slight credibility to the obvious questionig of large numbers of parents who see their children ruined after vaccination.
It would be such a shame if someone were to dig up evidence that Miss Thang was posting under multiple accounts in support of herself and emailing friends and asking them to do the same. Any really bored hackers on here who have a few minutes to see what this witch is really up to? Oh wait...those of us with a life simply ignore her and reply only to show her we have not gone away and we support Wakefield and laugh at her hiss fits!
What are you talking about you, vacuum-headed prostitute,....
"fourteen months before Dr Wakefield's paper was published, two other researchers -- Professor Walker-Smith and Dr Amar Dhillon -- independently documented the same problems in these children, including symptoms of autism."
whats tripping me out is if the argument has any facts and isnt going the way of the vid it can't be shown and has to many thunbs down and there is just about as much on either side but when its 4 this vid its shown with thumbs up so ur saying the plp defending this vid vote and the one;s against it doesnt sounds to me like there is some shady things going on with this vid
I like how someone will post "I really hope you drop dead for spreading such false crap." then you go to their page and it's all "Help someone if they are in need, remember if we all lend a helping hand the world will be a better place."
I feel feel sorry for Anti-Vaxers, the poor things are probably just scared of needles. Personaly I'm more scared of diseases, but maybe that's just me!
Even without the obvious fraud and lies, Wakefields study had only 12 subjects. The only thing such an anemic study should do is to suggest the need for more studies. It's funny that all the subsequent studies showed that Wakefields results (if real) were an anomaly. Anti-vaxxers need to educate themselves about science. Their ignorance is a detriment to the health of children.
@jehophus It really damns Wakefield that he was asked repeatedly to replicate the results himself with a bigger study, no cost to him. But he delayed and delayed and finally wouldn't do it, citing 'academic freedom'. Wakefield knew he couldn't win, there was no way he could pull off the same kind of fraud with more subjects in the study and more people watching his methods.
The amount of paranoid, delusional, sexist, sick-minded fucks leaving comments on your video is disturbing indeed, Rebecca. Christ on a cracker these knuckle-dragging mouth breathers scare me.
Its obvious to everyone that vaccines are a ploy by the lizard alien hybrid people that run the world governments to control the people as punishment for being god fearing christian conservatives. Wakefield PROVED that vaccines cause autism, aids, trench foot and gay. Disprove that! Now if you will excuse me i will be watching x-files reruns wearing my foil hat.
To all those seeking to defend Wakefield: Please stop hurling insults at the maker of this video just for pointing out the facts. All the evidence indicates that he committed fraud whether he admits it or not. That he has chosen to insist on his innocence in order to sway public opinion changes nothing. If their is any reason to believe he is telling the truth, his supporters can present evidence rather than relying on scare tactics and conspiracy theories.
just put ( Dr. Andrew Wakefield In-Studio: The Links Between Childhood Vaccines and Autism - Alex Jones Tv ) on youtube search you live get a different story , this bitch is lieing
@xcon99 So you believe delusional, evidence deniers who provide fake research rather than people who are realists and can provide a massive body of evidence against them?
Geez. You're not after the truth, you want to make it up.
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Not a skepchick but a dumbchick. Probably a med student. Please don't come to Australia with your smarmy Pharmy crap and Thimersal read Mecury poisons touted as harmless.
@bayanimills - the evidence is staring you in the face.. Asthma, Epilepsy, CFS, SIDS to name just a few of the Vaccine caused illnesses. Injecting organic mercury is 50 times worse than ordinary mercury. Vaccine maker Merck were finally forced to admit they caused 60,000 deaths with Viox. Who would be silly enough to trust a company capable of doing that? This is not a point scoring exercise, the truth is out there if you want to discover it.
@christopher130762 And the evidence that asthma, epilepsy, cfs and SIDS are CAUSED by vaccines? Chances are you'll never post them, but just go on about big pharma/ money/cure conspiracies
Only a small number of cases of ME/CFS appear to be triggered by vaccines. No one knows if they are in any way causing (vs. triggering an underlying problem) ME/CFS and it does not appear likely. Are you suggesting that some one is saying so? If so, I haven't heard of it; although it technically does remain a possibility, however small. I had pre-existing ME/CFS and had a Hep B vaccine that did severely worsen my condition so it is possible that there may be some effect.
@bengalslash Doh! found it below. One has to admit that most large corporations do not have good track records when it comes to being honest regarding the public's interest. Corporations act in the interests of the bottom line.
if you think that we can trust a government that cant run a cash for clunkers program to run a honest and safe vaccine program, your stupid....all our government does is lie to us the slaves,,, you can buy into it if you want, but im not....
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there are so many LINKS to health problems cause by vaccines, vaccines could be a great thing if powers that be would not use them and a instrument for populations control, they have deliberately administered AIDS tainted vaccines, vaccines with cancer viruses , vaccines design to sterilize, there are hundreds of deaths and autism cases being reported around the world,,last year record highs opting out of the flu shot and there records lows of the flu??flu shot = flu
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have u been keeping up with the news its time u say u were wrong and u were listing to mainstream to much and ur sorry to wakefield cause they were all lieing about his research and they have found the same thing across the world in other independent research so it was wakefield who was the victim of u and mainstream media as well as all others who were pushing this witch hunt
@lastpoet1 Joe Mercola, Mike Adams, and Dana Ullman do not produce News, they produce lies to keep you scared and buying their pills. Why aren't you as scared of these Big Supplement shills as you are of the real news and evidence? Hello! Reality is knocking at the door, care to answer?
@Suraky there was 100 hundered doctors and scientist's in the field of med that have came out across the world who have found the same evidence children have been getting autism from Vaccines and what was said about wakefield was lies
@lastpoet1 Anyone can make stupid claims, its easy, like you just showed. So go ahead and name them, all 100 of them and cite all the relevant studies. Simply calling out a number is meaningless and makes you look like a fool. Show the evidence, not the fantasy.
@Suraky well the insults r not called 4 and as 4 the names i will give u a few the university of pittsburg,the university of iowa,DR.Singh,DR,Jensen,DR,Coleman,Wakeforest University,DR.songie,stories in the UK mail,Neurobiologiae experimentalis,natural news ect
@lastpoet1 HAHAHAHA you're citing Natural News as a good source of info? Do you have any idea? they are one of the biggest Big Supplement Shills on the internet! existing only to scare you from medicine to buy their untested, nonstandardized, impure crap (oh but its 'natural')
You failed, You claimed 100+ scientists, you could site only a couple names, all recognized as quacks who never performed a double blinded, randomized, and replicated study with any significant effect, in their lives.
@Suraky yes u must be right if i didnt want to sit on the comp all day writting to u and using up this whole comment page and yes the universities are quacks and the stories in the news have to be wrong if u say they r ur a god ur infallible how could a ppl not believe u,we all need to grovel be4 u,even though the usa has started putting vast's amounts of money towards these studies and these r the new findings and others have found the same thing,yes ur so right how could i doubt big pharma
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new study show that, there is not one documented autistic case in Amish children in the United States, oh ya and not one documented case of Amish children being vaccinated........Vaccines = Autism
@warrenh6 I think you should do your researches in an objective way and not rely on what people in favour of this crap (Vaccines=Autism; this IS crap) say. Among Amish there ARE cases of autism.
@nores82 - you will say anything to advance your case regardless whether it is true or not. No the Amish have not recorded any any Asthma, Autism or Epilepsy.
@TheCommonManUSA Yes it is. You have no proof that it DID do this. You can't say there is no proof that it DIDN'T unless you have prove to the contrary. You can't go to a murder case and say "You have no proof that he DIDN'T murder her." It's innocent until proven guilty. You can't just say they did it until you have proof they did. That's why correlation doesn't equal causation. It's quite simple. Stop jumping to conclusions.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@TheCommonManUSA You're right there is no evidence that the vaccine did NOT cause the autism. But that's completely irrelevant given the fact there is no evidence that it CAUSED it. Our bodies are MUCH more complex than you seem to understand. What we have here is an unknown case and will be treated as such until we get evidence. Instead of just jumping to assumptions. This is how religions are formed. They don't know how it happened so they just make assumptions.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@TheCommonManUSA That's a totally different concept. Because you can SEE him hit the ground and die. You don't SEE the vaccine inside of the body causing the disease. You are simply assuming it does. I've had vaccines and I'm not autistic. The majority of people that get vaccines if not all don't become autistic. You seem to have a special case or it may have not been the vaccine.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@TheCommonManUSA You do realize correlation doesn't equal causation.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@TheCommonManUSA "I don't really need to be a scientist to make a conclusion about vaccinations when I see a normal child suddenly become autistic after being vaccinated."
The fact that you can correlate a certain phenomenon to a different one means nothing to those who are trained in science.
correlation =/= causation.
infinit888 4 months ago
Any chance, maybe, England might be open to the idea of becoming a US colony? We've got a fairly strong reputation for protecting the speech of individuals and the press, and, after all, they do kinda owe us for bailing them out of that WWII thingie.
atsukoh 6 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 I couldn't have said it better my self!
johnnytabaiee 6 months ago
"I am going to ignore all evidence, parrot the false information provided by discredited pseudo scientists and hurl vulgar, offensive and demeaning rubbish at anyone who dare point out that I am wrong."
-Every anti vaccine comment on this page
octaviusthepenguin 6 months ago 4
good job don't let the haters get to you..
PureBrutalSickness 6 months ago 2
SHUT UP BITCH YOUR A BUMB FUCK!!!!
johnnytabaiee 6 months ago
bitch is making my dick soft.
unibrowist 6 months ago
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can you tell me : who paid you for your anger and antagonism
albertsneijMD 6 months ago
can you tell me : who paid you for your anger and antgonism
albertsneijMD 6 months ago
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, if you change laws on libel how will the Archer's put food on the table?
LeeMarcelle 6 months ago
For one orful moment I thought you were a Truther Girl.
After one more sentence.... you become a Liar....either that or you are being grossly economical in your choice of facts.
Among medical researchers and patient-caring MDs, Dr Wakefield is incomparable, but why let a mere fact get in the way of your moment of gory?
mikerosepro 7 months ago
Please see the Mercola interview with Andrew Wakefield. Dr. Wakefield never, ever tried to censor anybody. I have no idea where or why you are stating this as some form of fact, because nothing could be further from the Truth. Dr. Wakefield has been censored and was, indeed, unable to speak to the media/public during some of the legal proceedings, but now that the proceedings are over, he has spoken out, on numerous occasions. Do your homework, please, before you state things as fact.
Bayareamom9 7 months ago
You're a fugly ignorant bitch.
bojka79 7 months ago
Hush little baby don't U cry, doc's gona shoot U with formaldehyde.. If that formaldehyde don't make U forever sick, doc'll come up with another trick.. Recently Pakistan reported 136 cases of polio,107 of them had had polio shots. Simple test.- Let's compare health of vaccinated to Un-vaccinated.. Do Amish have autism?. Why yes- in those adopted from overseas vaccinated upon entry & those taken away by the state & vaccinated. Really not good to shoot child with poison? Who woulda thunk it? Duh.
2ndSamuel710 7 months ago
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@rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
virtueoflife 8 months ago
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@ rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
virtueoflife 8 months ago
@ rkwatson You are an f@%&(% moron!!!! You are a sheep... just follow everyone else! Get yourself a brain!!! Wakefield is a hero!!!!!! You must be a shareholder or getting paid by pharmaceutical industry!!!!! Wake up you silly person!! Such a silly sheep you are!!!! Get your self a life as well as a brain!
virtueoflife 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 First you accuse me of going to TMZ/OMG network, and you go to the biggest joke in medicine - Natural News? LOL
I'm certainly capable of looking at the research done, rather than parroting the headlines generated by Big S-CAM.
bayanimills 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Feel free to come back when you have an argument.
bayanimills 8 months ago
Why do atheists always cling to the belief in the pseudo science of vaccination?
The original term for vaccination was immunization. When children get the chicken pox their bodies create anti bodies that give immunization for life. If vaccines work, why do people need to get flu vaccines every year?
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo Because influenza is a virus that evolves into something new each year.
rkwatson 8 months ago 11
@rkwatson - So why are they vaccinating everyone this year with the same virus strain as last year?
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo There are several different strains in each year's vaccine. Sometimes they repeat if one strain stays active, but often they change. You can learn more on the CDC's site.
rkwatson 8 months ago 8
@rkwatson - Yes I went to the CDC's site and Im still baffled as to how they can predict the next years virus strain so far ahead. That's two years in a row we'll be getting the same vaccine. How can they be so sure that the virus will not change, if it hasn't changed as we speak?
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@rkwatson - I think you are being paid by the pharmaceutical industry! ;¬)
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo It's funny how you called something a pseudo science and then your questions showed that you just didn't understand it ;)
jerrygreg2 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo Immunization and Vaccination are two terms that mean different things.
The act of the needle is vaccination, the act of becoming immune is Immunization.
This demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the subject.
bayanimills 8 months ago
What does atheism have to do with the price of fish?
Nothing.
There are certainly atheists out there who don't think vaccinations work, but what the believe doesn't matter. The fact is, they do.
bayanimills 8 months ago
@bayanimills - You people are filling a void in your lives with a man made God of scientific belief. I bet you believe in global warming!
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo Keep talking . . . please! It's funny!
jerrygreg2 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo And I would bet you believe in homoeopathy.
bayanimills 7 months ago
@bayanimills - Damned right I do you dip shit!
HumanSayNo 7 months ago
the only jerk on show here is the idiot in the video.
fail!!
MrGlasgowTruther4U 8 months ago
Excellent video. Keep up the good work, and ignore the irrational idiots spamming this forum.
frostek 8 months ago
You've got a bit of a troll infestation, Rebecaa. Great vid.
sevandyk 8 months ago 2
I do not see what point there is in talking about how Dr. Wakefield tried to censor his opponents.
Much more important to look at some of the other violent and often deadly reactions to other vaccination programmes.
Some studies allege to demonstrate that mercury is safe for use in vaccines whereas mercury has been demonstrated to kill neurons in the brain.
paulrprichard 8 months ago
Starting off calling Dr. Wakefield a jerk told me that we should not trust this lady
paulrprichard 8 months ago
I still find it incredible this argument is still going on, well over a year on. How on Earth has all the evidence against the anti-vaccination camp, or rather lack of evidence on their part, not put paid to the whole thing? It is amazing how people will continue to fight when they're already down for the count. Flailing around on the canvas way after the ref has counted ten... it's sad and frustrating in equal measure.
sonofafitch85 8 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 @mikenotnumber1 wow, another post by mikenotnumber1 without any evidence supporting his position, and he tells me to go to the quack site natural news where they reject evidence based medicine, support all types of natural woo and quackery and foster conspiracy theories. Who believes your bullshit? How do you convince anyone without evidence, because here, you've clearly demonstrated that you can't support a simple argument with evidence, just ad hominem attacks.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 why would i believe anything that ann coulter says? she's an idiot. yes, thimerosal in flu shots, and yet, thimerosal still has not been shown to be associated with autism so I don't understand how that matters. There's 25 ul in it. That's nothing. Why weren't weren't elevated mercury levels found in children that have autism? Environ Health Perspect. 2010 January; 118(1): 161–166.
Published online 2009 October 19
bengalslash 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 "ABSOLUTELY GREAT POST!..." Thanks Mike. I notice that in 2 months RK hasn't been able to refute it. She obviously hasn't even bothered to read his side of the story - "Callous Disregard".
OneJohnFiveTwelve 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 he was the LEAD author right? oh wait, he was the fourth. Hmm, and in what way does this invalidate the results? In what way does this invalidate the plethora of papers that have came to the same conclusion? Thimerosal removed from vaccines, autism rates increased.
Question is, will you answer my questions? Or just create the straw men you're so good at making.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 please, "kick the shit out of me" through the computer? HUH??? How did you prove that wakefield isn't a fraud? By showing that he didn't misrepresent the records, accept money from lawyers suing vaccine makers, or include children in the study whose parents were suing the vaccine manufacturers? Talk about conflict of interest. Oh wait, you didn't prove any of those.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 funny that there is absolutely no substance in anything you say. What's the point?
bengalslash 9 months ago
@mikenotnumber1 Haha, Mercola = quack, natural news and health freedom = methods of disseminating misinformation about supplements and antivaccine propaganda
bengalslash 9 months ago
yes antisemitic , israel , jews , the holacuast ,holocaust denier , sand nigger lover ,
OrphanPaper 10 months ago
VACCINES ARE SOMETIMES DANGEROUS!! BEWARE!!!
HumanSayNo 10 months ago
@HumanSayNo So is crossing the road. BEWARE!
bayanimills 8 months ago
@bayanimills - When we cross the road we look both ways. With vaccinations we are taught to look one way. Do your own research on vaccines and look both ways!
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo
No one is teaching people to look one way with vaccinations. What are you? A conspiracy theorist?
Do my own research? If you're telling me, or anyone else, to believe YOU, he who has "done his own research" over numerous groups of independent researchers working for various universities, companies, and governments -- you are sorely mistaken.
YOU don't have a clue about science. They do.
bayanimills 8 months ago
@bayanimills - You have now stooped to calling me names. Conspiracy theorist?? I'll just repeat my original comment....VACCINES ARE SOMETIMES DANGEROUS!! BEWARE!!! I did not say all vaccines are bad and will turn you into a ravenous zombie, I simply pointed out that some times people have a reaction to some of these vaccines. In extreme cases some people die. Would you call me names for warning walkers that they where nearing a cliff edge and that there is a chance they could fall?
PMT???
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo Everyone knows that vaccines CAN be problematic; you outright said that we are told NOT to question it, which is NOT true - Skeptics encourage a rational and reasonable responses to new evidence, not to dismiss it.
Rebecca's video is about how Wakefield deliberated falsified data to make money.
When you make comments as you did, it undermines the thoughts of parents who DON'T know much about vaccines, and to see your comments makes them afraid to use them.
Social responsibility.
bayanimills 8 months ago
@bayanimills - Well don't get too excited about Dr Wakefield falsifying data because here in the UK its starting to come out that investigative journalist Brian Deer was in fact the one falsifying data.
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
bayanimills 8 months ago
@bayanimills - Well what about all the people who have replicated Wakefield's study and found the same results?
HumanSayNo 8 months ago
@HumanSayNo When I demonstrate the problems with those "studies" that replicated his work, will you conceed that Wakefield is in fact the fraud he has proven to be?
Or, will you continue to deny evidence for the sake of ideology?
bayanimills 8 months ago
I'm confused. Why would Dr. wakefield try to discourage discussion on teh issue? If anything, I weould think he would be encouraging it (and considering how much he has been speaking out, that doesn't sound like someone trying to censor information. Doesn't make sense. Lady, you been flim-flammed, bamboozled, and taken to the cleaners. Anyone who understands methodology and has studied epistemology could easily tell that Deer and the BMJ have no case. However Wakefield does.
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131 Confused? How you could be confused.
Wakefield discouraged discussion because investigation would, and did show, that Wakefield had in the months leading up to the release of his paper patented a single-target vaccine which would ONLY be useful if the MMR (a triple-target) vaccine was to be removed from the market.
If you're confused, perhaps you should retake your course.
bayanimills 8 months ago
Let's see, bringing a suit with little hope of winning. Hhhmmm...sounds like someone on a make to me. Lots of people spend money on hopeless battles when they "know" they are wrong. (Note the sarcasm.) The only reason one engages in a battle such as this is when they are seeking justice. Your point backfires.
synapse131 10 months ago
The slander against Dr. Wakefield were retracted. And why is that? Maybe because they were lies. Maybe because it was obvious to any discerning person that the GMC discreditted him because he went against their agenda which is to cover up anything that may hurt their income. Anything that threatens their credibility or Big Pharma's credibility must be snuffed out, regardless of who gets hurt, children or otherwise. They simply only care about the bottom line. Wake up and smell the reality lady.
ShenMerrick 11 months ago
@ShenMerrick Um, no. Wakefield's paper was retracted. Nothing that the GMC discovered about Wakefield has been retracted. Please don't post random lies to try to score a cheap point.
rkwatson 11 months ago 5
@rkwatson As this silly thing does not allow the posting of links, please go to the website naturalnews dotcom follow by backslash 028101 underscore The underscore Lancet underscore Dr underscore Wakefield
ShenMerrick 11 months ago
They are not random lies. Look at the evidence. Deer's papers contain numerous factual inaccuracies, unsupported and undocumented statements, rhetorical language not appropriate to a medical journal, and so on and so forth. I'm not a "anti-vaccine person" and not in any way involved with this issues except to say that I can read, use logic, and understand a great deal more than the average person about the scientific process.
synapse131 10 months ago
@rkwatson Wakefield always had an up hill battle against the medi-pharma complex. You tout the GMC as a honest entity when its a fact its filled with crooked capitalists. Shut your face. You're a sick sceptical witch.
chiropractic47 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick - Nothing has been retracted. Stop lying.
Minttzz 10 months ago
@ShenMerrick Awesome!
chiropractic47 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick any evidence besides big pharma/conspiracy bit???.... No
bengalslash 9 months ago
@bengalslash It doesn't take a conspiracy for large corporations to act in ways that are contrary to the public good. There are thousands of examples that cannot be ignored.
synapse131 9 months ago
@bengalslash Conspiracy? What conspiracy? That a company is more concerned with profits than quality? That an industry would go to any lengths to insure they don't lose their customer base? Wake and smell the real world! Or is it too hard to think that doctors or pharmacists wouldn't care about people?! This is the human race we're talking about here. Unless its someone they know personally they will take money over you any day of the week! They don't care about you or your kids, just money!!
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick if the government and pharma companies were concerned with pure profit, and not producing life saving vaccines, they wouldn't make the vaccine, have you become sick so then you would need the drugs that they produce to treat the illnesses you got. But you argue the opposite. Hm how does that make sense, go back to your troll cave.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@bengalslash Um, hello? They make the vaccine TO make the money! They also heavily contribute to illnesses to make sure that there is a demand. For example, H1N1 was created by Big Pharma. They have admitted to that already on major mainstream news networks over and over again. They made it, over hyped it, and tried to get fools to buy a vaccine for it. And it failed. The vaccine even did more damage than the original virus it was for. And this is how it is: They Lie, You Buy!
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick support that they contribute to illnesses? and which illnesses, and how they contribute? Biological mechanisms? Clinical data? Can you elaborate on these, poisons? Poisons is such a vague term used by quacks.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@bengalslash Monosodium glutamate? Sodium Fluoride? Saccharin? Aspartame? Just to name a few I might add. These are known to be poisonous and toxic to the human body, yet the FDA approves them all. Why? Cause they make money off of the bad health effects these things have on us. They are a business. America is a business. They want to put Lithium in the water, LITHIUM! Its a method of medicating a population. But there is no individual issuance or dosage control. They are sick villains! Wake up!
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick MSG? please, free glutamate is in a lot of the food you eat. Do you have any clinical data suggesting that these are "poisonous"? If so, cite it here. You keep saying to wake up, but you haven't posted anything supporting your position.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick Sorry, "poisonous" in the forms that we're exposed to them that you maintain are dangerous, say eating food at a chinese buffet that uses MSG, where is the clinical evidence that a meal containing MSG is "poisonous" Because I know you'll cite some study using rats that show a toxic dosage of a diet that they ate containing %50 msg and state that it's poisonous, meanwhile the percentage in for human consumption is much lower and has no effect.
bengalslash 9 months ago
@bengalslash Any poison is poison. If they told you a "little bit" of arsenic was ok for you, would you eat it? I mean, why put the MSG in there at all? Whats the point if not to poison us? I find obvious deniers like you always call the card of "Cite your medical research" but never cite any of your own viewpoint. Very hypocritical, and very convenient that Youtube doesn't allow internet links in comments.
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
@bengalslash Also, its rather lazy of you to ask me to research for you, for your health. I mean, that would imply that I, or anyone for that matter, cares about you and your family. Again, no one cares about your family but your family. And mainly the immediate. Often distant relatives care about your health about as much as strangers. Doesn't inconvenience them, so what does it matter. Humans by nature are self-centered. As I'm sure you don't care about me or mine, which is in itself evidence.
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
@ShenMerrick so back to the original argument, you make a claim about supposed poisons, provide no evidence then talk about something off topic, you have no valid argument and you don't support said argument that I mention again you don't have
bengalslash 9 months ago
@bengalslash Do you not see the endless cycle? You get sick from the poisons in the food and drink (which they approve). Then you go to a doctor who says, "Take this medicine, it will cure what you've got!" But that cure gives you other problems in trade for the old one, so you go to the doctor again. He says, "Here is a medicine for that problem! See all better!" And while it is, there is yet another "unforeseen" side affect. Rinse and repeat. Doctor profits, drug company profits. Get it?!
ShenMerrick 9 months ago
This lady is likely an asperger who subscribes to neurodiversity... They ignore children like my daughter who are low functioning autistics and totally dependent on others... and oppose any research into causation or treatment. They are happy to let kids like my daughter rot in group homes when their parents are too old to care for them. Jerks.
Quantumerik 11 months ago
@Quantumerik I am totally 100% certain this woman has asperger's. She seems unable to grasp anything outside of a limited understanding and her thoughts are linear without the normal ability to think in the abstract--Meaning she thinks in nothing but black and white. People and things are either good or bad with no in between.
FORCEDANARCHY 10 months ago
@Quantumerik what a disgusting comment totally devoid of facts.
Minttzz 10 months ago
@Quantumerik Can you elaborate? Is there are group of folks with Asperger's who deny disability (which I can understand in some ways) and project these ideas onto others? Can you explain the idea behind "neurodiversity?" (these illnesses are just "variations" of normal or something.) I haven't heard about this before and seems interesting (although I think it's a good idea to refrain from pop-diagnosis but she does seem rather rigid in her thinking patterns.) Thanks.
synapse131 10 months ago
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Scobo11 11 months ago
glasses and old maid out fit doesnt make your propaganda any more believable , why dont you do a video where you take the course of vaccines required for the first 5 years of a babies life , if your so sure there safe
tonythatjesusloves 11 months ago 2
@tonythatjesusloves I like her glasses. I would be willing to bet that I would like Rebecca on a personal level, but I'm guessing we would butt heads on some intellectual levels (and probably agree on many more.) Would be interesting. I have to wonder about specifically embracing a philosophy of skepticism though, "skepticism" in this sense can end up bringing a conservatism to scientific endeavor that I feel is stifling. We should be just as skeptical of "skeptic" as of "believers."
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131Bertrand Russell quote
"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible"
tonythatjesusloves 10 months ago
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HumanSayNo 11 months ago
@HumanSayNo I understand your sentiment but it's not appropriate and however much one disagrees with her statements, that doesn't justify making yourself and everyone else look bad.
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131 - If you want to take on the feeling that you are bad, don't let me stop you!
HumanSayNo 10 months ago
I have to admit to a poor choice of wording on my part with this statement. Perhaps I should have written "I can understand the anger that would cause one to use poor language" instead of "sentiment" and I probably should have written, "like a pompous ass" instead of "bad" but the principle stands that calling people names is childish and disrespectful and doesn't assist in a productive and helpful debate. But I guess that's on you and your karma. Go for it bub.
synapse131 10 months ago
Making statements that are irresponsible and childish and make a community or group of people appear in a negative light does not mean that I personally will be taking on a sense of guilt or responsibility for YOUR idiotic statements. That makes no sense whatsoever. It appears that instead of taking responsibility for your statements (such as I did when I explained further that I did not frame the statement well,) you decided to project onto others. That's really cool! (Not!)
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131 FYI, this above statement has nothing to do with the video, it was in response to a negative and childish comment made below.
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131 - So who is this wonderful group you say I paint in a negative light? Who I ask you, WHO???
HumanSayNo 10 months ago
@HumanSayNo Probably you more than anyone. ;) I do think it does no one any good to call people names gratuitously.
synapse131 10 months ago
@synapse131 - Ok, I consider myself well and truly told off and corrected. Thank you ;¬)
HumanSayNo 10 months ago
@HumanSayNo Rock on. See, I think we can all be civil and not have to be boring old farts about it (although I am getting to be one of those. Hhhmmm...) Take it easy man.
synapse131 10 months ago
let me guess you also support fluoridation
MaxMyrmyr 11 months ago
You are ignorant of the facts. Visit my channel and watch Andy's rebuttal to Brian Deer's fraudulent BMJ article.
Quantumerik 11 months ago
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actually a independant study confirmed his results and he counters your views in this video.
since I cant post a link look this up on youtube and swallow your pride
Dr. Andrew Wakefield In-Studio: British Researcher Exposes Fraudulent Data Kept on Autism 1/3
fadadioX 11 months ago
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fadadioX 11 months ago
(Continued) When did you ever hear of lumbar punctures requiring an ethics committee approval? Their use in cases like these has been affirmed by experts around the world.
With free speech comes the responsibility for truth. Deer's story was a complete trail of fabrications. He accessed grieving parents by presenting a false identity and continued his efforts to destroy a brilliant man's career. "Censorship" has nothing to do with it. The lives of children have everything to do with it.
OneJohnFiveTwelve 11 months ago 2
RKWatson, the anti-vaccination movement was around before you were a twinkle in your father's eye. Wakefield has never been a part of it and if you think the "anti-vax crowd" has nothing more to rely on than the Lancet paper then you haven't even begun to study the issues.
Your comments on Lumbar punctures are Deer's. They are contrary to the facts that Wakefield never gave nor advocated them. They were instigated as a normal diagnostic tool by the relevant professionals. When did you...(more)
OneJohnFiveTwelve 11 months ago 15
@OneJohnFiveTwelve Well, what do you expect? A typical snot nosed pseudo-intellectual claiming to know something, because she gets her information from...wait for it....TIME MAGAZINE? Here's an idea, try actually reading a peer-reviewed, INDEPENDENT, study. Try to get your news from some sources other than the largest establishment media outlets. A self-proclaimed skeptic who's not skeptical of the profiteering establishment....what?
jj128 11 months ago
@jj128 Thankyou, jj. "...peer-reviewed, INDEPENDENT, study..." Now in medical circles that's almost an oxymoron. But there are a few and Andy Wakefield has uncovered the ones that don't have pharmaceutical company influence stamped all over them.
OneJohnFiveTwelve 11 months ago
@jj128 Oops, I should have said, "some of the ones.." ;-)
OneJohnFiveTwelve 11 months ago
@jj128
Just to point out to you that skeptics are not anti everything as you suggest. Being skeptical means you look at the claim and determine from the evidence the truth of that claim. For instance real skeptics are not skeptical of evolution because there is overwhelming evidence supporting it. Skeptics are not skeptical of the existence of Australia because there is overwhelming evidence supporting the claim. This is applied in the same way for vaccines. The evidence is overwhelming.
bfitz1992 11 months ago
wwwdotVaccinationCouncildotorg
promiseIsaih60 11 months ago
The unlimited funds of the vaccine manufacturers, big pharma and the media NBC in this case is far in excess of anything Wakefield can raise. The establishment in the UK does not want to give any even slight credibility to the obvious questionig of large numbers of parents who see their children ruined after vaccination.
arnold720 11 months ago 3
Oh-hhhhh-kay-yyyyy....
electronfun 1 year ago
you dumb idiot . . you must work for big phara, asshole
GaryNull 1 year ago
@GaryNull
nicely structured argument.
bfitz1992 1 year ago
@GaryNull There is a song by Devo. Too Much Paranoia.
paulwady 11 months ago
It would be such a shame if someone were to dig up evidence that Miss Thang was posting under multiple accounts in support of herself and emailing friends and asking them to do the same. Any really bored hackers on here who have a few minutes to see what this witch is really up to? Oh wait...those of us with a life simply ignore her and reply only to show her we have not gone away and we support Wakefield and laugh at her hiss fits!
FORCEDANARCHY 1 year ago
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FORCEDANARCHY 1 year ago
What are you talking about you, vacuum-headed prostitute,....
"fourteen months before Dr Wakefield's paper was published, two other researchers -- Professor Walker-Smith and Dr Amar Dhillon -- independently documented the same problems in these children, including symptoms of autism."
naturalnews[.]com/031116_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield_British_Medical_Journal.html
Lietuvispartizan 1 year ago
Formaldahyde Ethyl Mercury (Thimersal), Aluminium are just some of the crap in vaccines. The Deer investigation was fraudulent not Dr Wakefield.
christopher130762 1 year ago
This is a great channel. Glad I found it
No9Nando 1 year ago
Yeah, Wakefield has done way more to shut people up than Big Pharma has. Whatever.
jdthecrazy 1 year ago
Interesting the International medical council on vaccination just published a report conclusively proving the harmful effects of vaccination.
So fuck all you zombies that love getting fucked by government and big pharma.
Most of you med students are idiots with stockholm syndrome and scream at anyone one who disagrees with you.
Modern science= developing gases for Nazis
Modern science=chemically lobotomizing you with fluoride
Modern science=experimenting and torturing animals in cages
thepeacecat 1 year ago
@thepeacecat
Modern science=invented the computer you're using RIGHT NOW
Modern science=going to the MOON
Modern science=eliminated smallpox (through vaccination)
Irony="Most of you... scream at anyone one who disagrees..." immediately following "Fuck all you zombies..."
Where is this report "conclusively proving the harmful effects?" It wasn't on the IMCV's website: just a lot of scaremongering.
porlob 1 year ago
That tiny segment of the population known as the "reality based community" fully supports you, Rebecca. Keep punching.
percy8ferry 1 year ago 8
Well there are some idiots trolling the comments section... Sad
MidnightCardinal 1 year ago 2
whats tripping me out is if the argument has any facts and isnt going the way of the vid it can't be shown and has to many thunbs down and there is just about as much on either side but when its 4 this vid its shown with thumbs up so ur saying the plp defending this vid vote and the one;s against it doesnt sounds to me like there is some shady things going on with this vid
lastpoet1 1 year ago
@cizzio1 hear, hear! ^_^
derhellebarde 1 year ago
I like how someone will post "I really hope you drop dead for spreading such false crap." then you go to their page and it's all "Help someone if they are in need, remember if we all lend a helping hand the world will be a better place."
tombleskidoo 1 year ago 2
I feel feel sorry for Anti-Vaxers, the poor things are probably just scared of needles. Personaly I'm more scared of diseases, but maybe that's just me!
rpadair 1 year ago
Even without the obvious fraud and lies, Wakefields study had only 12 subjects. The only thing such an anemic study should do is to suggest the need for more studies. It's funny that all the subsequent studies showed that Wakefields results (if real) were an anomaly. Anti-vaxxers need to educate themselves about science. Their ignorance is a detriment to the health of children.
jehophus 1 year ago 2
@jehophus It really damns Wakefield that he was asked repeatedly to replicate the results himself with a bigger study, no cost to him. But he delayed and delayed and finally wouldn't do it, citing 'academic freedom'. Wakefield knew he couldn't win, there was no way he could pull off the same kind of fraud with more subjects in the study and more people watching his methods.
Suraky 1 year ago
The amount of paranoid, delusional, sexist, sick-minded fucks leaving comments on your video is disturbing indeed, Rebecca. Christ on a cracker these knuckle-dragging mouth breathers scare me.
angryscott 1 year ago
@angryscott If anyone is a knuckle dragging mouth breather it is that throw back to a simpler form of humanity who posted this video.
FORCEDANARCHY 1 year ago
Its obvious to everyone that vaccines are a ploy by the lizard alien hybrid people that run the world governments to control the people as punishment for being god fearing christian conservatives. Wakefield PROVED that vaccines cause autism, aids, trench foot and gay. Disprove that! Now if you will excuse me i will be watching x-files reruns wearing my foil hat.
cizzio1 1 year ago 10
@cizzio1 AT LAST...THE TRUTH!!!
paulwady 11 months ago
I'm amazed that all these anti-vaccine people are resorting to hurling insults and lies instead of promoting their side with evidence and facts.
If you believe you have the truth on your side, please present your case.
You're just making yourselves and your cause look foolish.
modhran 1 year ago
To all those seeking to defend Wakefield: Please stop hurling insults at the maker of this video just for pointing out the facts. All the evidence indicates that he committed fraud whether he admits it or not. That he has chosen to insist on his innocence in order to sway public opinion changes nothing. If their is any reason to believe he is telling the truth, his supporters can present evidence rather than relying on scare tactics and conspiracy theories.
octaviusthepenguin 1 year ago
@octaviusthepenguin but he was publicly vindicated and the news agencies are being forced to retract their statements.
kphzorz 1 year ago
@kphzorz Evidence please.
bayanimills 1 year ago
@kphzorz ... and then you woke up and realized it was just a nightmare, that Wakefield's child killing days are thankfully over.
Suraky 1 year ago
what are you looking at lol
galegregory97comcast 1 year ago
( Dr. Andrew Wakefield In-Studio: British Researcher Exposes Fraudulent Data Kept on Autism 2/3 ) put that sentence on youtube search bar
xcon99 1 year ago
just put ( Dr. Andrew Wakefield In-Studio: The Links Between Childhood Vaccines and Autism - Alex Jones Tv ) on youtube search you live get a different story , this bitch is lieing
xcon99 1 year ago
@xcon99 So you believe delusional, evidence deniers who provide fake research rather than people who are realists and can provide a massive body of evidence against them?
Geez. You're not after the truth, you want to make it up.
bayanimills 1 year ago
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Not a skepchick but a dumbchick. Probably a med student. Please don't come to Australia with your smarmy Pharmy crap and Thimersal read Mecury poisons touted as harmless.
christopher130762 1 year ago
@christopher130762 Don't take her word for it. Look at the body of evidence.
Or I can save you the time, and tell you she's right.
bayanimills 1 year ago
@bayanimills - the evidence is staring you in the face.. Asthma, Epilepsy, CFS, SIDS to name just a few of the Vaccine caused illnesses. Injecting organic mercury is 50 times worse than ordinary mercury. Vaccine maker Merck were finally forced to admit they caused 60,000 deaths with Viox. Who would be silly enough to trust a company capable of doing that? This is not a point scoring exercise, the truth is out there if you want to discover it.
christopher130762 9 months ago
@christopher130762 And the evidence that asthma, epilepsy, cfs and SIDS are CAUSED by vaccines? Chances are you'll never post them, but just go on about big pharma/ money/cure conspiracies
bengalslash 9 months ago
Only a small number of cases of ME/CFS appear to be triggered by vaccines. No one knows if they are in any way causing (vs. triggering an underlying problem) ME/CFS and it does not appear likely. Are you suggesting that some one is saying so? If so, I haven't heard of it; although it technically does remain a possibility, however small. I had pre-existing ME/CFS and had a Hep B vaccine that did severely worsen my condition so it is possible that there may be some effect.
synapse131 9 months ago
@bengalslash Doh! found it below. One has to admit that most large corporations do not have good track records when it comes to being honest regarding the public's interest. Corporations act in the interests of the bottom line.
synapse131 9 months ago
if you think that we can trust a government that cant run a cash for clunkers program to run a honest and safe vaccine program, your stupid....all our government does is lie to us the slaves,,, you can buy into it if you want, but im not....
warrenh6 1 year ago
@warrenh6 Boooooring.
All you're harping on about is the same old anti-government crap.
Get an education, or at least an original sales pitch.
bayanimills 1 year ago
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there are so many LINKS to health problems cause by vaccines, vaccines could be a great thing if powers that be would not use them and a instrument for populations control, they have deliberately administered AIDS tainted vaccines, vaccines with cancer viruses , vaccines design to sterilize, there are hundreds of deaths and autism cases being reported around the world,,last year record highs opting out of the flu shot and there records lows of the flu??flu shot = flu
warrenh6 1 year ago
@warrenh6 More unsubstantiated paranoid claims. *yawn*
bayanimills 1 year ago
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Bla,Bla,Bla!
Get back in the kitchen, whore.
757Watson 1 year ago
@757Watson This comment is really full of meaning and clearly expresses the quality of the topics in favour of Wakefield.
nores82 1 year ago 3
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Ugly bitch too, fuck her she knows nothing.
dirtylogs 1 year ago
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Fuck off and die cunt
prussell66 1 year ago
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have u been keeping up with the news its time u say u were wrong and u were listing to mainstream to much and ur sorry to wakefield cause they were all lieing about his research and they have found the same thing across the world in other independent research so it was wakefield who was the victim of u and mainstream media as well as all others who were pushing this witch hunt
lastpoet1 1 year ago
@lastpoet1 Joe Mercola, Mike Adams, and Dana Ullman do not produce News, they produce lies to keep you scared and buying their pills. Why aren't you as scared of these Big Supplement shills as you are of the real news and evidence? Hello! Reality is knocking at the door, care to answer?
Suraky 1 year ago
@Suraky there was 100 hundered doctors and scientist's in the field of med that have came out across the world who have found the same evidence children have been getting autism from Vaccines and what was said about wakefield was lies
lastpoet1 1 year ago
@lastpoet1 Anyone can make stupid claims, its easy, like you just showed. So go ahead and name them, all 100 of them and cite all the relevant studies. Simply calling out a number is meaningless and makes you look like a fool. Show the evidence, not the fantasy.
Suraky 1 year ago 3
@Suraky well the insults r not called 4 and as 4 the names i will give u a few the university of pittsburg,the university of iowa,DR.Singh,DR,Jensen,DR,Coleman,Wakeforest University,DR.songie,stories in the UK mail,Neurobiologiae experimentalis,natural news ect
lastpoet1 1 year ago
@lastpoet1 HAHAHAHA you're citing Natural News as a good source of info? Do you have any idea? they are one of the biggest Big Supplement Shills on the internet! existing only to scare you from medicine to buy their untested, nonstandardized, impure crap (oh but its 'natural')
You failed, You claimed 100+ scientists, you could site only a couple names, all recognized as quacks who never performed a double blinded, randomized, and replicated study with any significant effect, in their lives.
Suraky 1 year ago
@Suraky yes u must be right if i didnt want to sit on the comp all day writting to u and using up this whole comment page and yes the universities are quacks and the stories in the news have to be wrong if u say they r ur a god ur infallible how could a ppl not believe u,we all need to grovel be4 u,even though the usa has started putting vast's amounts of money towards these studies and these r the new findings and others have found the same thing,yes ur so right how could i doubt big pharma
lastpoet1 1 year ago
@Suraky they have never hurt no one for the bottom line,how could i have doubted a god in his or her own mind
lastpoet1 1 year ago
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new study show that, there is not one documented autistic case in Amish children in the United States, oh ya and not one documented case of Amish children being vaccinated........Vaccines = Autism
warrenh6 1 year ago
@warrenh6 I think you should do your researches in an objective way and not rely on what people in favour of this crap (Vaccines=Autism; this IS crap) say. Among Amish there ARE cases of autism.
nores82 1 year ago 3
@nores82 - you will say anything to advance your case regardless whether it is true or not. No the Amish have not recorded any any Asthma, Autism or Epilepsy.