What Soviet Agriculture Teaches Us | Yuri N. Maltsev

[runr100]

@partisan21 How could one with a brain experience socialism and still think it works? The cure for this religion is to open N Korea's borders and bring in some new willing slaves. Those of us who want to retain our basic human rights should be permitted to do so.

[partisan21]

Didn't know that there are Austrian economists from former Soviet Union.

[Ligeti43]

For some reason when he says "It was all garbage" I laugh pretty damn hard!!!!

[dma777able]

For anyone who have read the communist manifest, then you may remeber where marx is wrinting that there is no need to take the selfowning peasents farm into state controll. Because he is working for himself, not for any employer.

Still Stalin put this plan into to work and with great loss of life.

[MRWAYLAND]

Its a pleasure listining to Yuri!

Also good learning experience!

[dynomyght]

Too ruin anything we need a ministry. Classic because in my country Pakistan every ministry has fucked its job so badly and thoroughly like the ministry of power and water, with black outs lasting weeks and not enough water for people to drink, btw this is also one of the fattest ministries excluding the army and what a royally fucked up job did the army do the naval base being under attack recently. My country is so fucked up in socialism that every party is a small variation of socialism

[LibertyJedi]

Don't think this is coming here? take a good look at Dick City USA! It is only a matter of time!

[bicyclethief2nd]

Very informative but the more interesting question for the West at the moment is: What lessons can we learn from the role played by agriculture in the post-Soviet context?

[dynomyght]

@CylonAndrew Why would the rich jack up prices? Why would not someone compete with those companies that jack up prices? Minimum wage laws are nothing but a politicians tune for the public to do their bidding. Minimum wage people do not understand the function of money and as long as people don't understand money you will make mistakes with regard to money. What age are you talking about that i want to go back to? In the past we had mercantilism disguised as free market

[RememberForThePeople]

I have seen too many socialists come to America and then learn about what their own leaders did to their fellow countrymen. The USSR military is alive and well, and will be put to use soon enough.

[sid8980]

I admit I like the reasoning of socialist ideas, because they try to uphold dignity and rights for the common man. But after listening to this gentleman, I realise that regardless of system, what really matters is the goodwill of the people running the show. Good rulers, whether they be kings, presidents, oligarchs, or whatever, will always make a country prosper because they want good for all.

[jrsub3]

To everyone who thinks collectivism is great, and "moral", I ask you where the great famine of American history is?

Our people have, for the most part, always been fed. Yet people think, somehow, that a socialist scheme is better for the commoner?

Sounds kind of scary similar, the intellectual elite of the cities dictating policies that disproportionately harm the rural population. Socialism = the good fight.

[CylonAndrew]

this guy is full of shit

[pretorious700]

@CylonAndrew You actually require a few IQ points to understand him, I can feel your pain.

[CylonAndrew]

@pretorious700 i can understand this guy. And I took history and studied a lot of the stuff he is talking about. Yeah, Stalin was horrible. But he is saying that all left winged polocy eventually leads to a Totalitarian state. He keeps comparing Obama's plan with Stalin's 5 year plans. Also, I am Canadian and I can say that Obama is more conservative than our conservative party. So yeah this guy does not know what he is talking about. Its exactly like saying conservatives are evil because Hitler

[lonewolf1369]

@CylonAndrew you contradict yourself. First you say you understand him and then you say crap to support left wing policy. It is 100% true that constant interventionism will lead to more interventionism and eventually to Totalitarianism. Obama's plans are quite interventionist and also contradictory. Obama admits that some regulations are just "stupid" and thinks he can get rid of the "bad" ones while keeping the "good" ones. All intervention fails because its intent is not the one it advertises

[DREwestcoast]

@CylonAndrew powerful post, troll...

[CylonAndrew]

@DREwestcoast um, thats my honest oppinion. His argument is basicly Soscialism is bad because of Stalin. It is like saying Capitalism is bad because America placed pro-capitalist dictaots in South America who killed hundreds of thousands of people against Capitalism. I am not saying that either a soscialist or a capitalist approch is better in every situation posible but both systems are practical in individual situations.Capitalism promotes growth while Soscialist polocies secure peoples rights

[dynomyght]

@CylonAndrew I don't think you understand socialism. Socialism involves few people planning for the many, according to socialism few bureaucrats who don't understand economics, human nature, the resource in the nation, capital structure, function of interest rates and savings can decide for people ranging from old to young, athletic to intelligent, workers of factory to farmers to retail sellers the individuals complex personalities, needs desires, dreams etc can centrally plan the economy

[CylonAndrew]

@dynomyght I think it would be futile arguing with an other my way or the high way guy. If you allow all of the rich people power, then they will jack up the prices of health care and other services and not allow minimum wages. Soscialists are the people responsible for the working class to have things like minimum wage and retirement benifits. Do you realy want to go back to those days? Canada is living with state health care and I can say we are doing fine. No gulags here.

[CylonAndrew]

@dynomyght I find your comment extremely insulting! I make minimum wage and so do many of my friends. If it was not 10.25 in Ontario, Canada (a huge improvement 8 years ago) I do not know how I would survive financially without it considering the cost of School (my Tuition is only 4000 $ because the government pays for most of it plus I have Scholarships) if it was lower. However, my point was orrigionally that both Capitalism and Soscialism are practical in certain situations like education.

[MabusZero]

@CylonAndrew I too am receiving my education in a similar fashion, but dynomyght is talking about economic distortions more so than otherwise. The government does not possess money. Rather, it takes in taxes from the productive and redistributes it, primarily to functions of security (military and police). This in turn produces a legal monopoly of force, driving up the cost of it. Other redistributions creates similar monopolies. When it has a private business face, it's called mercantilism.

[dynomyght]

@CylonAndrew Min wage is pointless from the basic law of supply and demand. But I have to ask you where do you think the money comes from when the government pays for your education, tax, loan from other people's saving via bank or printing money, under a fiat system there is always inflation. Why do you think education in your country is expensive? Because inflation creates a boom which must be followed by a bust that comes eventually

[CylonAndrew]

@dynomyght several decades of living with cheep education and free health care, plus recovering from the worst recession since the 30's faster than most other countries? We have a nice ballance. The US has little room for soscialism yet they are struggling a lot more than we are (not saying thats the cause, more complicated) yet the EU that overuses Soscialist polocies are going bankrupt. The point is, not one system is perfect but there is room for both.

[derekaiton]

Maltsev '12

[zbigniewzapora]

It would be interesting to know given his background - is he ancap or minarchist?

[pretorious700]

If the story of the Soviet Union doesn't make you want to cry, you have no heart.

[klaptongroovemaster]

Is it just Yuri, or is a Russian cultural thing, that he often repeats the last phrase of his sentences? It's like there is an echo in here - echo in here.

I'm not complaining. I love all his lectures - his lectures.

[drgdrf]

@klaptongroovemaster He has other lectures, lectures?

[andersottesen]

Maltsev is touching on one of, in not the only, key to solving world poverty. If countries like the US and others let the countries of the world to develop some of their own agriculture, you could solve world hunger, and world poverty right there.

As an example the US is subsidizing its agriculture in many ways, and then US diplomats go out into the world and try to promote free trade without tariffs and without subsidies in other countries. This is unfair, and bankrupts other agriculture.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@andersottesen

It's also unfair to people in the US, who have to pay for it all through increased food prices and taxes.

And the EU is even worse. A sugar cube costs six times as much here as anywhere else in the world.

[andersottesen]

@PanzerDivisionBOM

Yes that to. I am no expert on the topic, but last time I checked, the US and its "allies" subsidize and they make other economically and politically poorer countries stop their subsidies and remove trade barriers. African counties is the best example I can remember, many of which now are dirt poor.

Farmers get subsidies such as cheap diesel, lucrative tax-deductables, direct financial aid, beneficial loans and much much more.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@andersottesen

A fellow by the name of Johan Norberg touches on this in his book, In Defense of Global Capitalism.

Imagine the situation of a third-world farmer. His local politicos have shifted the tax burden away from the urban centers, towards him, and stand ready to appropriate his land for any Westerner who's ready to bribe them, all in a vain attempt to force an industrial revolution through state intervention.

And the Western states feel they need to protect their farmers against him.

[Herv3]

Listening to Yuri is great fun and insightful ... fun and insightful.

[finishstrongdoc]

In that case, then, let me just quote C.S. Lewis "I have never met a mortal person; we shall all live forever."

Only the dead have seen the end of war. Without truth, nothing would be funny. Under Communism, everything's a lie, so everything is funny..including death. Have fun.

[modelmark]

@finishstrongdoc I don't believe in god and government. I do not live in the usa but in europe. Our governments historically always have forced their tax slaves happily into wars and work camps. I don't vote, it only encourages the bastards. I think my only chance is to emigrate to a safer place.

[finishstrongdoc]

..i doan't belif iyn conspyraci therris , bot conspyraci therris happ'n all the tym...right aynd lyift......mostly lyift

[finishstrongdoc]

...vhich you cyan only kip slavz vorking for you iyf you shuit enough av dem...

[finishstrongdoc]

...most think tanks weren't thinking...and they were tanking quite a bit....bwaaahaahahahaha...ha !!!

[ThunderAppeal]

The book he read about czarist russia and the '630 people that were executed' apparently clearly downplays the czarist endorsed pogroms that took place against the Jewish people there.

[DMBHawk]

@ThunderAppeal eh the point is that while tsarist Russia was bad, soviet Russia was so much worse. Also, as bad as russia was, it had massive GDP growth in the years coming up to 1914 and things were on the up and up.

[top1jack]

Brilliant historical and philosophical perspective. I love his manner of speech as well. I call him Yuri Two Time.

[usernameted1]

I love Yuri, he is by far the most entertaining speaker at LVMI besides Jeffrey "the bowtie" Tucker.He has a great and fresh perspective about centrally controlled economies that can only be gained by living in one of those hellholes.

[flynn2008]

State Socialism can only be maintained by force.

[RunsWitGuns]

outfuckinstanding

[deadman12078]

Yuri 2012 :)

[residentzombie]

@deadman12078 I hope as a classic liberal you understand that the OPUS is not available to foreign born citizens that immigrate to America.

[deadman12078]

@residentzombie At this point in our history it does not matter... I'm sure you have heard the argument before of "this is the best we have?" Of all of the intelligent, insightful, men and women of our nation and you look at those who hold office and you can honestly say Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama; this is the cream of the crop?

My dog refuses to run for president... so I ask for Yuri.

[residentzombie]

@deadman12078 Just because we have had traitors as Presidents in the past doesn't mean we should ignore the Constitution. If you are trying to defend Constitutional principles, you must defend the entire document, not just the parts you like. This is the problem and WHY we've had traitors as Presidents. If we want to change that provision 2/3 of the House and 3/4 of the States must ratify it, not ignore it. That's why our founders gave us the ability to have Constitutional conventions.

[deadman12078]

@residentzombie I agree with you. The Yuri 2012 was a joke. RonPaul 2012...that's just as much of a joke. I just do not see any real change (for the good) coming. We as citizens can see the problems before us and we ask for change but it never comes. People vote instead so they can keep their little tokens and in the process they sell their freedom. The constitution is bent and skewed or ignored to meet the needs of whoever is in office to benefit those who got them into office.

[residentzombie]

@deadman12078 I like Yuri also BTW. Also I think you fail to understand the psychological illness some have of voting for Presidents because they 'like' a person. Government should NEVER be liked. Government is the biggest threat that humanity faces and we should all be vigilant to make sure that citizens never worship politicians or Presidents as gods. We should support their philosophy, not the character of how someone comes off. This is what got Obama elected, people worship him.

[deadman12078]

@residentzombie I "like" Ron Paul and some of the ideas he has; very little government.

I don't care about abortion or education or any of those "issues" politicians get wrapped up with because the people want to impose their beliefs on the rest of the population. That is not what our government is for. Our government is meant to ensure our rights of choice. To prevent a any person or group from restricting our actions, so long as we do not harm others. Ensure commerce and protect borders.

[pretorious700]

@residentzombie You are 100% absolutely right. I get in arguments all of the time with Obama "supporters". Many of these people are intelligent and insightful enough to know that what he's doing is completely subservient to the corporate structure that got him elected, but they have so much of an emotional investment in him personally they close their eyes and lash out at anyone who points this out. It's so obvious, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

[modelmark]

beautiful cynical humor, it betrays a history of great suffering

[finishstrongdoc]

@modelmark I've been told that toward the end of the USSR, people joked about absolutely everything because there was absolutely everything was tragically funny. Humor is a fantastic way of disarming the lie and making its sting less severe. In every joke there's an ironic truth. If there was no truth, nothing would be funny, which is why everything was funny in the end, because the lie of Communism was finally as naked as the peasants.

[modelmark]

@finishstrongdoc I wonder how much chance Yuri gives the little bit of freedom to survive in the west. He knows how strong the counter forces were in the soviet union and he knows how strong they are now in the US.

[finishstrongdoc]

@m Communism , once it's flaws started to show, always needed Capitalism's support to survive. Now that the whole world wants what we've had for 50 yrs or so, there are those who think "What the hell, let's try Communism again" Pathological...and fatal...again...this time the West will fall for the lie...rly , rly SAD...but true. Pay attention to the "incentive plan" (shoot enuf peasants, and you have an incentive plan). Not a good plan...but, hey..it works !!

[modelmark]

@finishstrongdoc I hope it is not going to drop down in socialism in one big slide, but that there will be a freedom bear market rally.

[finishstrongdoc]

@m I have good friends from wisconsin, where Yuri teaches, who think that "Fighting Bob" LaFollette was a great hero of the progressive movement. He went to Russia in the 20's, came back to Wisconsin and told everybody " I have seen the future...and it works !!" They still love "Fightin' Bob" in Wisconsin; my nephew's gonna go to a HS named after him. U tell me, man, do u think it's gonna "work?" Communism only failed because they ran out of bullets at a bad time;when ppl were starving to death

[ThunderAppeal]

@modelmark Cynical humor was the norm under the soviet union to mask the weight of the repression of the soviet system.

[pretorious700]

@modelmark nice observation, I lived in China for 6 years.Stories about Mao's China would fill many sorrowful volumes.

[HK379]

@modelmark more like a history of grate achievements ...

this gorbachev treitor .... keeps spewing his anti - soviet crap " working there is understatement " what a idiot .. people like him sold out the country... and all workers all over the world ...

[modelmark]

@HK379 Looks like you are getting your centrally planned, coercion based, forced labor camps after all. You win, why the frustration?

[HK379]

@modelmark

Gulags are  re - educational facilities for criminals , like those on that panel ... who preach their individualistic , capitalist , fashist ...bullcrap ...

[modelmark]

@HK379 Not really someone who respect other people's opinions I see. How do you take being forced compared to dissing it out to others? Are you full of understanding towards those stuffing a gun down your throat, when they claim you do not have the opinion of the collective? And can you actually think, or is it just 'fashist, bullcrap, capitalist' without knowing what these words mean and without having a standard for truth? How would you define thinking?

[HK379]

@modelmark

With Criminals like fashists , and capitalists ... one can only argue with a gun .

they need to be put in our work - re-education facilities , so they can learn to make their bread like honest people ... with work . not by stealing .

[modelmark]

@HK379 By force of your guns no doubt. You must have had a terrible childhood.

[HK379]

@modelmark

you lack understanding .... one day , we will grab the waters of time , and put them in a conkrtete sleave ..."thats how you will flow "- we`ll tell them ... AND THEY WILL FLOW LIKE THAT ! and there will be no more hunger and missory in the world .

[modelmark]

@HK379 before sending others to your forced re education camps, you might want to consider improving on your spelling first.

[HK379]

@modelmark

that will be the correkt speling when we get to power.. so get use to it .

[modelmark]

@HK379 ...when we get to power..... do you really think when it gets to someone pointing guns at someone innocent, imposing their will, that you will be the alpha male holding the gun, re-educating others that force wins from intellect? Or will you be with the 100 million plus dead that communism resulted in in the past? Statistics, such a hard thing to grasp.

[HK379]

@modelmark

I`ll probably be dead . but I`ll return trough the deeds of future generations of communists ... trough their eyes , hands and brains ... and even if we all one day turn in to hard black soil ... and rain washes our blood .. and our bones rot ... we`ll still return .. every fallen comrade turns in to a little red star in the night sky ...

[heavens2kadonka]

@HK379 TRANSLATION: "I'm too lazy to further my cause, but eventually enough lazy, jealous people will clump together to overthrow a future society that has forgotten the lessons of the past. The numbers of dead are just numbers to me, and my ridiculous metaphors are a surefire way to block my mind from thinking over how hypocritical my beliefs are. I'm going to die to be an atheist angel for the cause. Skyrockets in flight, afternoon delight."

[HK379]

@heavens2kadonka

??? I don`t understand what you are saying ... you can be cynical all you want .. but my faith in the right cause ..the cause of communism , class war , dictatorship of the proletariat ... my spirit - the spirit of victory ... are armored deep in my chest ...and for them there are no such armor - piercing bullets developed yet ... do you understand .. you decadent individualist ...

[miazagora]

@HK379  Freak.

[Hashishin13]

@HK379 So you want to enslave yurself to others and you regard people who respect themselves and want to be free to make their own choices as less then you, the person who wishes slavery on everyone?

How did communism ever get started with such nonsense as it's founding belief? Oh yea they killed everyone who disagreed...

[HK379]

@Hashishin13

??? you dont know what your talking about .

People who respect themselves are COMMUNISTS ... people like you are sorry "know it all self -enslaveing ect . you wish for slavory .. communists fight for FREEDOM .. true FREEDOM , the FREEDOM TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND BUILD COMMUNISM for THE COMMON GOOD .. not your recless burjoazy behaviour . and if try to spread your decadent belives around our battle lines , you will be delt with acordingly .

[Hashishin13]

@HK379 Communists are barbarians trying to violently supress anyone who disagrees with their delusional new religion. Marx is your new god never to be questioned, just unthinkingly obeyed.

Unlike you violent thugs capitalists love freedom enough to tolerate other people's beliefs because we are humble enough to admit the possibility of error and so ENCOURAGe dissent and the objective proving of a principle to further knowledge and debate, rather then crush it in favour of unthinking obedience.

[dpromano]

@Hashishin13 Please....move to Russia...they will love your subservience. You could wipe Putin's murderous ass.

[Hashishin13]

@dpromano Subservience? The party owning the whole country as well as your body is fine to you, but being able to choose who employs you or working for yourself is subservience huh? Is up down also?

[megatherium100]

@HK379 it´s burgeoise genius, figueres for a guy who uses CAPS to try to make an argument. Go and learn some grammar so you don´t make an ass of your self. Probably went to some socialist school too.

[Hashishin13]

@HK379 So this is just a joke then? Your not really a raving lunatic? Just a troll making up garbage to irritate those who want to have rational debates?

[HK379]

@Hashishin13

I`m dead serious .

[daviddalbylive]

EU has 10 year plans which will be an even bigger disaster and there policy of equalisation means that countries are having to cut hospitals, schools and everything else to be in line with some arbitary figure some deluded politicians thought up. The soviet EU is already a financial disaster zone.

[anryth]

I like it when Yuri talks.