THANK YOU SIR FOR MAKING IT PLAIN! The word consciousness has clouded the real issue long enough. The Bible says In the beginning was the WORD...the word was made FLESH.
However flesh forgot where it came from and what it is. I suggest that seekers meditate on the words I AM THAT ...I AM
PERHAPS IF WE USE THE WORD BEING-ness and PRESENCE, the I AM or CHRIST which is WHO AND WHAT we ARE would be better understood. Even the word IS-ness is better felt than the word consciousness. To me the word consciousness sounds cold and clinical. The words mentioned are ALIVE and can be experienced. Consciousness relates to perceptions does it not? The word confuses me.
Consciousness comes and goes every night. To whom does it appear and disappear? The Absolute. When you are in deep sleep you are unconscious but if I yell at you you will wake up. Why? because you remain aware. When mental or physical objects are reflected in awareness you get consciousness and the "
I am" feeling. When you are merely aware you still are but don't know it because of the absence of a reflected object in awareness. Get it?
Hi Mr.Wolinsky: Is it fair to say that consciousness appears, like a dot, on the infinite blanket of the Absolute? The dot(s) come and they go, but the Absolute remains.
So the need is to first stop this involunatry thought process, to put a brake on the thoughts which run about like wild horses. When the mind (ego) is silent without the usual noise then who is there to think about these things. The Self is not concerned with all these questions. (It is the restless mind or ego which is) The silent Self simply IS as at is with the no trace of the ego or the personal self and these kinds of talks is simply rendered meaningless..
Ramana Maharshi always spoke of Pure Consciousness as the nature of the Self. Ramana said SELF or Turiya is itself Sat Chit Ananda or Being- Consciousness- Bliss. All this conjecture is useless. Only after the ego is erased and Self is realized all this conceptual talk will come to nought. Self Realization is the only solution. Why bother of guessing regarding the Absolute,Awareness Consciousness etc with the use of the mind, when the very destruction of the mind is the essential factor?
No3Patriot It seems that what you are saying is that awareness is something that does not exist in linear time but consciousness does have a linear time flow to it. Yes, thats a good point. When I read "I AM THAT" I noticed how those two terms were used but this point clarifies it very well. Thanks.
It is a bit confusing to say "In some strange way the absolute appears" Generally, we think of an appearance as something that exists in consciousness. Perhaps was is meant is that there is just presence but no awareness of a "consciousness" that is watching the presence.
@nowbellhere Here's a quote from I AM THAT: Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore, the very consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognized as the original, basic existence, which is life itself and also love and joy."
To be perfectly honest, I clicked on this video because of the image of the guy. I thought it was the mascot for the geico commericials. He looks like the geico caveman, and I was very very confused, and then realized this is a spiritual video and not an advertising.
ego to Absolute...ego to Absolute... do you read me...come in Absolute...
I have ventured outside the void. The same rules do not apply here. Events are separated by time. Time is linear and spans from my birth to my ultimate demise. Duality has given rise to form. Form exists apart from consciousness and is governed by a concept known as 'change'.
@tubetib "Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance." In other words, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't valid. What he means is that God is the Absolute and the Absolute is in you beyond consciousness. It's spirituality AND science.
What he seems to describe here is that the absolute is like the state of deep sleep. The Self has come into such a pure state of rest that it is not conscious of itself, in other words the Self is just perfect stillness. I might say that consciousness has become so still that there is no referring back to itself to sense its own presence. He calls this the absolute.
In my experience consciousness itself is a hologram. It is simultaneously and instantaneously creating, sustaining and dissolving itself in order to "know" its root. Its existence depends on the self shining light of who you truly are.
We have : a little i and we have the big: I am, like the wave and the ocean, like the thought and the mind. Identifications with things that come and go makes us loose ourselfs into the flow and while drifting we try to hold on to this little i which has its roots in the big I am which is rooted in the Absolute. The Absolute is present in the little i, and it gives us the possibility to identify the ego with the little i..but
This process is exactly what happened to famed "guru" Adyashanti as he writes about it in "Emptiness Dancing." And in all happened in one meditative sitting no less!
All comes from nothing, returns to nothing. There is no value to anything. We just got on the wheel for it's entertainment., so don't be in such a rush to leave. Look Ma, no hands!
3. Dear Cassius, This understanding is anyones birthright, as the Buddha said. This is the entire meaning of a sages instruction to stay with this I AM. Find that form (you) are emptiness and that emptiness is you (form). No-brainer. Maharaj has said: All I can teach is understanding. Best of luck to you.
2. Dear Cassius, Objects dont know things. It is inescapable that this being is consciousness without an object. It is boundary-less with no center. Is it grace perhaps? Francis Lucille says yes: Grace is that which does not come from an object. Yet it is noticed. Who or what notices? I do, of course, but no, I am not an object. Who completes the musicians composition, the artists painting, and when? Well, actually it is obvious and much lighter to bear than any concept.
It ALL is impersonal. Consciousness registers the arising/passing of phenomena - impermanence. "You are not the mind, body or the do-er." Maharaj: "Who told you you were born?" Your existence is here-say, a myth. Also Maharaj: "You are the child of a barren woman." No one gets enlightened. Just not personal in any way. Check out the Bhavagad Gita - also to be a new CD soon by Stephen Wolinsky and Neti Neti Films, thanks to Mauricio, or my current favorite version by Stephen Mitchell.
consciousness is the mind, which is your thoughts, ideas, opinions, associations, etc, is that what changes... The Absolute is that which never changes, your essence..
1.Dear Cassius, I get your point, yet what is here before the Ultimate itself is not a Subject/Object thing. Fortunately, presumptions do not make us any closer or any farther in relation to this Ultimate thing. "No worse for being human, no better for being Buddha." -Zen Master Dogen Zen koans also are short and sweet a direct short circuit of the conceptual mind which likes to triangulate progress. Koans are not, as you say: how you look at the subject.
OMG HE LOOKS LIKE SPAGETT! That's actually hell cool, youtube "cigarette juice" very similar.
imalwayswatchingu00 1 month ago
THANK YOU SIR FOR MAKING IT PLAIN! The word consciousness has clouded the real issue long enough. The Bible says In the beginning was the WORD...the word was made FLESH.
However flesh forgot where it came from and what it is. I suggest that seekers meditate on the words I AM THAT ...I AM
ariseshine100 1 month ago
PERHAPS IF WE USE THE WORD BEING-ness and PRESENCE, the I AM or CHRIST which is WHO AND WHAT we ARE would be better understood. Even the word IS-ness is better felt than the word consciousness. To me the word consciousness sounds cold and clinical. The words mentioned are ALIVE and can be experienced. Consciousness relates to perceptions does it not? The word confuses me.
ariseshine100 1 month ago
Consciousness comes and goes every night. To whom does it appear and disappear? The Absolute. When you are in deep sleep you are unconscious but if I yell at you you will wake up. Why? because you remain aware. When mental or physical objects are reflected in awareness you get consciousness and the "
I am" feeling. When you are merely aware you still are but don't know it because of the absence of a reflected object in awareness. Get it?
drafman 3 months ago
Did Sri Maharaj tell you to teach? I would rather listen to Him!
tobesograteful 5 months ago
Hi Mr.Wolinsky: Is it fair to say that consciousness appears, like a dot, on the infinite blanket of the Absolute? The dot(s) come and they go, but the Absolute remains.
Scrumpilump2000 6 months ago
very nice and simply stated absolute
TheTiger669 7 months ago
do u have a job?
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reens79 7 months ago
"Living disciples" - means he was one of many visitors ?
violinoamore 9 months ago
Any analogy/metaphore fails if pushed too far. This is esp true of "that" which is far beyond speech.
Indeed, what I've just written is liable to mislead if taken too rigorously.
People who try to "orthodox" this pursuit and the "way of speaking" about it are "tying their own noose."
OuTofJoY 10 months ago
om tat sat
thismoment23 10 months ago
This of course means only what you THINK it means.
hydrogenroar 11 months ago
The Self with a capital S! That's important, if you get the one with the small s you'll have to start all over again!
TheHolyMolyPoly 11 months ago
We are all learning more and more about less and less and finally we know
everything about nothing.
ariseshine100 1 year ago 3
@ariseshine100
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BEAUTIFULLY SAID!
NetiNetiFilms 1 year ago
So the need is to first stop this involunatry thought process, to put a brake on the thoughts which run about like wild horses. When the mind (ego) is silent without the usual noise then who is there to think about these things. The Self is not concerned with all these questions. (It is the restless mind or ego which is) The silent Self simply IS as at is with the no trace of the ego or the personal self and these kinds of talks is simply rendered meaningless..
prajna8 1 year ago
Ramana Maharshi always spoke of Pure Consciousness as the nature of the Self. Ramana said SELF or Turiya is itself Sat Chit Ananda or Being- Consciousness- Bliss. All this conjecture is useless. Only after the ego is erased and Self is realized all this conceptual talk will come to nought. Self Realization is the only solution. Why bother of guessing regarding the Absolute,Awareness Consciousness etc with the use of the mind, when the very destruction of the mind is the essential factor?
prajna8 1 year ago
@prajna8 These are just intelectual empty confusing words ... Mind trying to catch its tail
violinoamore 9 months ago
No3Patriot It seems that what you are saying is that awareness is something that does not exist in linear time but consciousness does have a linear time flow to it. Yes, thats a good point. When I read "I AM THAT" I noticed how those two terms were used but this point clarifies it very well. Thanks.
nowbellhere 1 year ago
Hey guys watch "god decoded" .......
harrystopper9 1 year ago
It is a bit confusing to say "In some strange way the absolute appears" Generally, we think of an appearance as something that exists in consciousness. Perhaps was is meant is that there is just presence but no awareness of a "consciousness" that is watching the presence.
nowbellhere 1 year ago
@nowbellhere Here's a quote from I AM THAT: Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore, the very consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness. Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is not a new state. It is at once recognized as the original, basic existence, which is life itself and also love and joy."
No3Patriot 1 year ago 5
To be perfectly honest, I clicked on this video because of the image of the guy. I thought it was the mascot for the geico commericials. He looks like the geico caveman, and I was very very confused, and then realized this is a spiritual video and not an advertising.
Daedalus294 1 year ago
@Daedalus294 lol
lukemathiesen 1 year ago
ego to Absolute...ego to Absolute... do you read me...come in Absolute...
I have ventured outside the void. The same rules do not apply here. Events are separated by time. Time is linear and spans from my birth to my ultimate demise. Duality has given rise to form. Form exists apart from consciousness and is governed by a concept known as 'change'.
Do you read me Absolute... Are you getting this?
yourliver1 1 year ago
@yourliver1 wtf
lukemathiesen 1 year ago
Is it me or all this means nothing?
tubetib 1 year ago 7
@tubetib "Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance." In other words, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't valid. What he means is that God is the Absolute and the Absolute is in you beyond consciousness. It's spirituality AND science.
WJValente 1 year ago
What he seems to describe here is that the absolute is like the state of deep sleep. The Self has come into such a pure state of rest that it is not conscious of itself, in other words the Self is just perfect stillness. I might say that consciousness has become so still that there is no referring back to itself to sense its own presence. He calls this the absolute.
nowbellhere 2 years ago
@nowbellhere nice
lukemathiesen 1 year ago
In my experience consciousness itself is a hologram. It is simultaneously and instantaneously creating, sustaining and dissolving itself in order to "know" its root. Its existence depends on the self shining light of who you truly are.
auntyraindrop 2 years ago
Consciousness is not contemporary.
hansjoergajja 2 years ago
consciousness, will go where?
Ravelmoore 2 years ago
directed to anyone who knows the answer.
I have been led to believe that there is ego and then there is consciousness, which is my true self.
Now this interesting fellow, is telling me there's something else....... what is it?
johnt49 2 years ago
We have : a little i and we have the big: I am, like the wave and the ocean, like the thought and the mind. Identifications with things that come and go makes us loose ourselfs into the flow and while drifting we try to hold on to this little i which has its roots in the big I am which is rooted in the Absolute. The Absolute is present in the little i, and it gives us the possibility to identify the ego with the little i..but
this identification gives us just egoism.
DechenPalmo 2 years ago
Thanks, this is a helpful summary of Nisargadatta's teachings.
PurposePowerCoaching 2 years ago
i like it
jasonmhc 2 years ago
Rock on man...... I read one of your books in the 90's........ What a delightful surprise to find you here!
ARAKARABLUE 2 years ago
This process is exactly what happened to famed "guru" Adyashanti as he writes about it in "Emptiness Dancing." And in all happened in one meditative sitting no less!
kwixotic 2 years ago
All comes from nothing, returns to nothing. There is no value to anything. We just got on the wheel for it's entertainment., so don't be in such a rush to leave. Look Ma, no hands!
djehoti 2 years ago
3. Dear Cassius, This understanding is anyones birthright, as the Buddha said. This is the entire meaning of a sages instruction to stay with this I AM. Find that form (you) are emptiness and that emptiness is you (form). No-brainer. Maharaj has said: All I can teach is understanding. Best of luck to you.
abqhighdes 2 years ago
2. Dear Cassius, Objects dont know things. It is inescapable that this being is consciousness without an object. It is boundary-less with no center. Is it grace perhaps? Francis Lucille says yes: Grace is that which does not come from an object. Yet it is noticed. Who or what notices? I do, of course, but no, I am not an object. Who completes the musicians composition, the artists painting, and when? Well, actually it is obvious and much lighter to bear than any concept.
abqhighdes 2 years ago
It ALL is impersonal. Consciousness registers the arising/passing of phenomena - impermanence. "You are not the mind, body or the do-er." Maharaj: "Who told you you were born?" Your existence is here-say, a myth. Also Maharaj: "You are the child of a barren woman." No one gets enlightened. Just not personal in any way. Check out the Bhavagad Gita - also to be a new CD soon by Stephen Wolinsky and Neti Neti Films, thanks to Mauricio, or my current favorite version by Stephen Mitchell.
abqhighdes 2 years ago
IMO the distinction between the cosmic field of consciousness and the local interfaces to it - called awareness - is a better description.
Nothing is absolute in the cosmic fractal of the force of imagination.
Selasia 2 years ago
Thanks - great one!!
jared9372 3 years ago
wonderful! very insightful, thank you!
PhilosopherFresh 3 years ago
So conciousness is personal and the absolute is impersonal?
nusphere 3 years ago
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well said man
PhilosopherFresh 3 years ago 2
consciousness is the mind, which is your thoughts, ideas, opinions, associations, etc, is that what changes... The Absolute is that which never changes, your essence..
Claudia2288 3 years ago
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CassiusChrysanthe 3 years ago
One is never "closer" to the absolute.
abqhighdes 2 years ago
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CassiusChrysanthe 2 years ago
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CassiusChrysanthe 2 years ago
1.Dear Cassius, I get your point, yet what is here before the Ultimate itself is not a Subject/Object thing. Fortunately, presumptions do not make us any closer or any farther in relation to this Ultimate thing. "No worse for being human, no better for being Buddha." -Zen Master Dogen Zen koans also are short and sweet a direct short circuit of the conceptual mind which likes to triangulate progress. Koans are not, as you say: how you look at the subject.
abqhighdes 2 years ago
true.... it is who you are...
souljourney00 2 years ago