NH rep affirms pot civil dis in House speech - Marijuana

[moatwog]

CANNABIS CURES CANCER!

[vorkev1]

okthe guy with the fish is the most retarted thing i have ever seen.

[DizzyDozen420]

lol ! LISTEN TO THIS CRAZY GUYS MESSAGE ABOUT WEED. #949-963-3422

[epohnopulse]

This dude looks like a serial killer.

[MoCityDon1508]

LEGALIZE IT

[sanluisskywatch]

Ridley.. there are really jobs there? I might have to head out there.. which parts of the economy are doing well?

[Domzdream]

The fight against herbs and natural 'drugs' (I can't believe that actual plants are labelled as drugs) is RETARDED. Let people do what they want within their own homes. Typical government trying to play as your parent, giving you slap on your wrist.

[studape]

If you smoke weed you are a threat to the government and big business. You are also more likely to be liberal because you are using your brain and do not beleive government lies. The war on drugs is used to disenfranchise people and keep them from getting a job or to vote in a lot of states.

[libertyfizz]

People are forgetting about drug seizure laws. They can take a private property owners property with drug seizure laws. This is why smoking in public is only individual risk.

I wish the political activist and the protesters would stop fighting with each other and work together. That is how the civil rights movement won their victories. It was a two prong attack on tyranny.

[Elephantintheroom01]

I'm still not sure weather i support having to defend peoples rights to marijuana.

But its better than the drug war which killed 4000 people in Mexico and made sure that America is still tethered to the military industrial complex. Which is the same as saying that the money keeps flowing in one direction and that war is good for business.

[eric710221]

Funny, the free staters claim to be pro10th amendment but refuse to follow their local laws.

[radon1234567]

the ban on smoking weed flies in the face of the freedom this nation was founded on. the majority of Americans either smoke weed or couldnt give a crap if others do so the power of these laws do not come from the will of the people therefore they are illegitimate. weed should be regulated much like alcohol, if you are high and drive you go to jail just like dwi, if you give it to a minor you should get in the same trouble as someone giving alcohol to a minor etc.

[rea1001]

Many also detest Socialism, but still feed themselves at the local soup kitchen. So what.

Im sure that the residence of Keen; or any other town in this country, have created the local laws. I would say about 65 - 70 percent of people in the NH area smoke Marijuana. And since we live in a mob rule; sorry I mean democracy, then it should be legal by now. So why is it not? Did you know that in most states Adultery is illegal. So its all subjective. You have control freaks that want to control.

[rea1001]

And on the other side you have people that want to live their lives the way they see fit, without control freaks telling them what or what not to do. Change is inevitable. There is no stopping it. You can try, and pound your head against the tide, only to receive a concussion. A new Generation is dawning. And those whom are tied into the old will find the transition very painful. But it will come. Just like all the others. The bitter old man is born from resisting the inevitable.

[fczwartek]

"65-70 percent of the people in NH smoke marijuana."

I can tell you it's nowhere near that many. Even if you add in the people who have tried it once, or smoked only a few times....its nothing close to 65-70 percent. That's wishful thinking crazy talk. Although, you might be close to accurate if you were talking about Vermont.

I'd say 25-35% is a more reasonable estimate. A lot of people, yes... hundreds of thousands even, but not anything close to a simple majority.

[fczwartek]

I agree with you that smoking marijuana should be legal. If people want to get high in their own home I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

But if a local gvmnt doesn't want people smoking pot in a public place I really don't see anything wrong with that either.

[eric710221]

Democracy does exist at the state level, that is how the founders wanted it. As far as adultery goes what about sodomy? People like Ron Paul and Clarence Thomas who actually care about the constitution opposed the Supreme Courts decision on Lawrence v. Texas. If local laws were changed I'd support your right to resist federal tyranny. If you can't get your local laws changed then quit bitching about it when cops enforce them or move somewhere else. You can go smoke pot freely in Amsterdam.

[fczwartek]

You use Clarence Thomas as an example of someone cares about the constitution? Really?

You think that it should be ok for the gvmnt to tell you how you should act in your own bedroom? You believe that would be constitutional?

You believe segregation or even slavery are "constitutional" if your local laws say they are?

That's insane.

[rea1001]

I could really care less about inane laws from control freaks, and I smoke pot freely anywhere I choose.

[Hashishin13]

@eric710221 They aren't local laws, the ban on certain substances is federal.

[fczwartek]

I'm surprised that Dave is surprised that responses on the Union Leader website would be overwhelmingly negative about public pot smoke outs.

The public pot smoke outs haven't generated any positive coverage in any main stream media (that I'm aware of.)

It's been negative coverage across the board. Why would the Union Leader be an exception to that, especially since its an extreme hard core right wing rag?

It's wishful thinking to believe that republicans have any love for libertarians.

[JROuimette]

I'm for legalization but I wish the liberty movement would do something a little more productive than "smoke outs". The emphasis on pot is making libertarian minded people look immature in my opinion.

[Organjic]

The cops could just stop enforcing.... My opinion is that the cops look immature :/

[Silveracity]

Legalize it yes, but it's rude to think you can smoke anyplace, anytime.

[woodlandcammo27]

I do not have a problem with pot ( I smoke from time to time), but doing it in public for all to see, especially kids, is not the way to go. I am all for making it legal to do in home or at hash bars like Amsterdam. When my kids are old enough to know right from wrong and want to smoke weed then it will be their business to do so.

[theeeees]

You are right, smoking in public is bad. I hate when I go to grocery store to have assholes smoking right as I walk by. Fuck them. They smoke cigarettes but I can proxy that to cannabis.

[woodlandcammo27]

That is a whole nother issue. Cigarettes are legal and yes bad. But only businesses should hold the right of a smoking ban on their property, not government.

[theeeees]

Yeah I suppose it is, yet I still don't like it. a store where people are would seem like a public place. Being drunk in grocery store would not count as public drunk?

[fczwartek]

Why exactly shouldn't a gvmnt have the authority to ban smoking in public places like the Keene central square if it's a known proven fact that second hand smoke can cause health problems or even failed drug tests for people.

Should a gvmnt not have the authority to ban people from drunk driving on public highways too?

[anglaismoyen]

Outside? How long would you have to stand around?

[rea1001]

"if it's a known proven fact that second hand smoke can cause health problems or even failed drug tests for people."

You are lumping cigarette smoke and Marijuana smoke in the same category. I would like to see the data that second hand Marijuana smoke causes health problems. The exhaust from your car is a carcinogen that everyone else has to suffer the effects from, but I 'highly' doubt that you will contest that driving a car is giving people health problems.

[fczwartek]

You think 2nd hand marijuana smoke wouldn't cause problems for someone with a pre-existing condition like asthma or emphysema?

You think that it doesn't have the potential to cause a failed drug test for someone who happens to be unfortunate enough to be nearby?

Cars do exhaust carcinogens and pollutants and yes, gvmnt should be proactive in mitigating that to whatever reasonable extent it can (mandating better mpg efficiency, regulating emissions ect.)

[rea1001]

Pre-existing conditions in people is a factor. But I cant see how smoking in an open air location would affect anyone with these conditions any more than the local traffic emitting exhaust from a tail pipe. Or houses that have fires a blaze in the stove, etc. In some towns, the smoke from stoves and fireplaces is quite thick in the air. Much more so than a fleeting exhale from a joint or a cigarette. If the smoke from a joint is the issue, then all other forms of smoke dispersal should be as too

[fczwartek]

Supposedly Keene does have a problem with smoke from wood stoves, but honestly, I've lived here for 7 years and I've never noticed it.

Obviously people need to burn wood to keep warm and drive their cars to get to places they need to go. These things are not really a luxury, but a necessity.

Marijuana is not a necessity so why should the public be expected to deal with the burden of it's drawbacks (like 2nd hand smoke?)

[rea1001]

There are more cigarette smokers on the streets of Keen than Marijuana. Why isnt that an issue. Or, is it really just about Marijuana? People dont need cars, just a bike, or their own legs. Keen in small. As far as the smoke from the stoves are concerned, an electric heater will work nicely, along with better winterizing of homes. Marijuana not being a necessity is relatively subjective, depending on ones health.

[rea1001]

"But I cant see how smoking in an open air location would affect anyone with these conditions any more than the local traffic emitting exhaust from a tail pipe."

My point with these examples: "affect anyone with these conditions any more than"

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek Because there are no burdens? Second hand smoke outdoors is a joke, it doesn't exist. Also the main concern of second hand smoke is the threat of cancer caused by cigarettes, which is entirely absent from cannabis smoke.

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Cannabis doesn't cause cancer or kill brain cells, also it has never killed ANYONE, if you believe that it does or has you have been lied to. End of story.

[fczwartek]

@Hashishin13

I'm all for the legalization and decriminalization of pot.

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Issues caused by 2nd hand marijuana smoke probably fall somewhere between minimal and negligible. It's a flimsy argument as you rightly point out.

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However, I certainly don't think it's appropriate for people to carry guns in public while they are high or drunk .. or in the process of getting high or drunk. I'd have no issue with a town or city restricting people who are high or drunk from carrying firearms.

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek The issue isn't being high or drunk, its being stupid that causes guns to become a problem. There isn't an effective way of legislating people into safety.

It is illegitimate to punish people for crimes they haven't commit.

You must not have much experience with cannabis if you think that cannabis smokers carrying guns is an issue.

I think ultimately we need to get out of this mentality of passing laws to prevent people from having the choice to make a stupid decision.

[fczwartek]

@Hashishin13

Yeah, I think being drunk or high while in possession of a firearm is actually a great definition of the word "stupid."

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I don't care much about people making stupid and dangerous decisions in the privacy of their own homes .. but the public at large has a reasonable right to expect that activities that are known to be extremely stupid, dangerous, potentially lethal (like mixing guns and drugs) can and will be restricted with the force (and legitimacy) of law.

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek Yea I guess your right because it's public property. On your own property though, the government shouldn't have a say. You were talking about public property to begin with though, so I was wrong.

I do think you are to quick to equate alcohol and cannabis, all the studies on driving show that cannabis is less of a problem then being old or tired.

I bet the stats of people being more dangerous with guns while on cannabis don't back up your concerns either but that data doesnt exist yet

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek After all if these people can vote to decide who runs the country, carry a gun or drive a car then they should be able to figure out in what mental states they should do these things.

If they commit a crime then punish them, pre-crime legislation is nonsense IMO.

[fczwartek]

@Hashishin13

So drunk driving should be "legal" up to the point where someone gets hurt or killed ... or (god forbid!) someone's property gets damaged?

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So some drunk drivers "liberty to make bad choices" is more important than my right not to be crushed to death by his out of control car? Is his "liberty" more important than the lives of my wife and family (or your family for that matter) F.U.C.K NO!

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek "You think 2nd hand marijuana smoke wouldn't cause problems for someone with a pre-existing condition like asthma or emphysema?

You think that it doesn't have the potential to cause a failed drug test for someone who happens to be unfortunate enough to be nearby?"

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Yes, because all of those things that you said sarcastically are true, if you were standing OUTSIDE beside someone smoking cannabis, not even walking by as you suggest, none of those things would happen. Get real.

[Hashishin13]

@fczwartek second hand smoke is only a danger from tobacco INDOORs, as tobacco causes lung cancer. Any/all of the affects of cannabis are from chronic first hand inhalation, infrequent use does virtually nothing and second hand as a risk for anything, even indoors, hasn't been backed up by ANY data. You are grasping at mist, there is simply nothing to back you up.

[woodlandcammo27]

Failed drug tests from cigarette smoke? Read my comment a little harder.

[FlailingJunk]

They have to do it on public property because if they did it on private property the owner of that property would get thrown in a cage.

[fczwartek]

You're risking getting "thrown in a cage" by smoking it in public. I would assume that someone in the crowd at the smokeout owns property. What difference does it make to them if they get hauled off a public space or private property to be "thrown in a cage?"

The reason you do it in public is for the publicity. And now that that's quickly evaporating, I expect the public smokeouts will too.

[FlailingJunk]

The property owner risks much more then the individual smokers.

[Hashishin13]

@woodlandcammo27 Are you against cafes with tables outside serving alcohol? If your kid isn't old enough to understand its for adults then he/she is probably not even old enough to know what the people are doing.

[Steadno]

Automatons are cool!

[VANVALIS]

A state that does not even have Medical MJ allowed does not sound very free to me. You guys have a lot of work to do!

[m3030078]

second woot legalize it!

[djzacmaniac]

First view! Keep the truth coming!!!