@sammyhain13 What? how is that free will I pray for a million things in this life I never pray so I can stay a cristian if I decided to stop been a cristian tomorrow that is my choice I don't surround my self with energy so that I can stay a cristian even in the Bible there were people who wanted to follow Jesus he just didn't take the offer we don't want a bunch of people who hates Jesus becoming X-tians we want people full of power thru the Holy Spirit as x-tians
@DraculHemming spiritual battle going on the battle for the souls of humanity between Jesus and satan doesn't like to lose souls. Jesus loves you and died for u but if u don't want to accept him don't that is your choice God gave it to you and in this world some are Tares and some are wheat the Tares belong to satan and the wheat belong to God
@katelling1 Its very good that Jesus loves me, but I consider it an insult to have someone "pay for my burdens." They are mine and mine alone. And I've already said, if I am wrong and am judged to hell, I will thank God for the choice and accept hell with open arms, as I rather follow my heart and be wrong than compromise my beliefs to be right, but I would ask him why all the games he plays.
@DraculHemming Adam and Eve where the first ones in the garden they were allowed to eat from every tree in the garden except for one in order for satan to rule he had to get them to disobey God and once they did they were cast down too to this day anyone who wants to serve God with there whole heart will face persecution by the ruler of this world you don't have to take my world for it any one can try it start reading the Bible going to church see if things don't start going wrong that is the
@DraculHemming sorry I wasn't able to respond right away but my computer is mess up u have a lot of questions and even if I tried to explain u would not understand what I will say is this there is only one God and creator of everything one day God's most beautiful angel became jelous and decided that he wanted to become a god himself so he started a war in heaven and he was cast down with thousands of other angels as a way to get back at God he decided to destroy God's creation men
you should see the vid 'putting the x back in xmas'. it explains the true origins of the festival, and they're all non-biblical. so don't see what the big deal is: the winter solstice is an entirely pagan festival
I'm not religious, I don't believe in the virgin birth and all that crap, but even I'm offended by this, not the christmas thing, but the politicial correctness thing, what idiot came up with this, it has to be council officials, the real scrooge types, well, I say, merry christmas to you all and fuck you, you bunch of scroogey fear mongering cunts who don't agree with it, heres my british two finger salute, .\^\/^/.. (*blows raspberries* :P) .......MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
@DraculHemming Pentecostals,Catholics etc are cristians even do we don't see eye to eye on everything only God sees the heart and when the disciples had this fight he picked up a little child and said Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me for he is least among u all and he is the greatest Jesus loves u and died for u but will never force anyone you have free will
@DraculHemming I hope this wasn't another huge copy and paste from another anti-Christian website. Do you have any Christian books by theologians and apologists? If not, I could recommend some if you are at all really interested.
Comment 1: Care to explain why the Christian god himself is a hypocrite?
Comment 2: Got a history fact there? Plain and simple, people using the Christian title are the ones that killed and tried to hide knowledge to take over.
Comment 3: I would be interested, but just as you'd read any pagan material with a mindset that its of Satan, I'd read it with a grain of salt as well.
Sidenote: I really can't stand multi-comments. Please send a note if possible next time.
@DraculHemming Hypocrite? History fact? You can't really be serious here, surely? Under Nero alone many Christians were martyred by the pagan Romans. Tacitus speaks of this and goes into detail about the form of executions and tortures. I'm surprised you would askk this. It's all basic stuff, accepted by virtually everyone. Equally despotic tyrants followed in kind on and off.
@DraculHemming Even today an estimated 1 million Christians continue to face persecution by non-Christians (& do mean DEATH and TORTURE here, not just 'prejudice' and politically incorrect name calling). Open Doors produce news (with evidence) often hidden by the mainstream secular press on the plight of Christians worldwide. You watch the persecution come to the West as well (albeit in a different form). Marginilization and mockery is here now, executions will come.
@DraculHemming we have groups that try to miss themselves up as cristians who have half cristian belief and then something also mix in with it which makes it hard on us because we know this groups try to pass themselves as cristians and confuse people who want to come to God and take them the opposite way and people are misled Jehova Witnesses are not cristians, people who rejects the Bible are obviously not cristians this people are very damaging to cristianity Baptists,Lutherans,
@DraculHemming fine what do u want me to tell u u have a right to choose I did my job when Jesus went into a town and he wans't welcome he went on to another town he didn't beg or fight he left but I do want to say something about denominations they are like the apostles arguing who is right but just like the apostles each had their own job to do the church as a hole is part of the same body with Jesus as the head the arm doesn't do the same thing as the foot but is just as important
As a cristian thru this relationship we receive the Holy Spirit we live under God's presence we are guided by him Jesus himself when he was being tempted by satan in Matthew 4:1-11 he kept telling satan it is written he knew God's word and in the battle field is the first thing we need our sword of the spirit the same way Jesus did he led by example
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am a cristian and I have no idea what u are talking about God is not a holistic experience and we have to read the Bible Jesus died so we could have the truth John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his home among us (Jesus).John 14:6 I am the way , and the truth and the life no one comes to the father but through me WAY-bridge between us and God the father.TRUTH-Bible LIFE -eternal life a relationship between God and men same way as in the garden between God Adam and Eve
@DraculHemming No it will not be stupid John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice and i know them and they follow which means if he says wait here that is exactly what he's people will do satan is and will always be underneath Jesus God's power is superior to his and is your choice who to chose I am not talking about an experience I am talking about a relation ship a walk of faith the presence of the Holy Spirit in our daily life in the end after all is said and done satan will lose it is written
@katelling1 Plain and simple, I have my relationship with the Lord and Lady. You have your god, and I have mine. Christianity is not a one-size-fits-all religion. If that was the case, there wouldn't be denomination after denomination arguing with each other about who's right. Baptists wouldn't be on Catholics. Catholics wouldn't be on Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. etc.
Why then do you defend wicca so much ? sometimes when we go looking for answers the road gets difficult and we get lost but the good shepherd left his 99 sheep to look for the one that got lost may be he did answer you but not in the way you expected it every time someone comes looking for Jesus and their heart is true trouble comes their way too and a decision has to be made to stay in the path and fight or stray away from it Jesus loves you he fought and died for you
@katelling1 Okay... leaving 99 sheep to find 1 sheep sounds like a stupid sheppard. Caring, yes, but also stupid, as while he went to find the one, the 99 could have ran off as well. A little common sense would be helpful. As for if he actually did answer, then let's put it like this. If Jesus answered, then Jesus led me to Wicca. If "Satan" answered, it means either Jesus bowed down to satan or that satan's light shone brighter than jesus' as "he's" the path i now follow.
Ehhh...but The Holidays are about the birth of Jesus, so it is ridiculous and hypocritical to ban the Happy Christmas but still keep the comerce! There is only one God and He is the Loving Creator of all things; Jesus came to tell us that so why anyone should be offended by the good news?! Now, because dark manipulating forces got into the Faith and made a mess of things so people would lose touch with the Truth and get all confused about it, it is not Jesus or God's fault! Think about it.
@bibleansweman1000 on the night that Jesus was born 3 wise men from far away follow a brilliant star because they knew the King of Kings had been born they had gifts of Gold, frankincense, and myrrh because they understood the significance of the birth of this child so they celebrated his birthday 2,000 ago with very expensive gifts today we still celebrate the kings birthday all over the world.
The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene in the United
States' Capital this Christmas season. This isn't for any religious reason. They simply have not been able to find Three Wise Men in the Nation's Capitol. The search for a Virgin continues. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable
@Venefica82 just looking out for your own interests as a fellow pagan: don't prolong this debate, because fundamentally MrFriendLeonard does not want to understand your beliefs, he just wants to convert you to his. You're just wasting your energy because I guarantee that he does not understand the world the same way as we do, nor does he wish to. Bb xx
@LadyMoonhare It's not about beliefs. It's about an experience, a holistic way of Being. I don't care what she believes about Christ - after she has experienced Him as God.
And if she doesn't wish to convert, so be it. I just can't be bullied by egalitarian rhetoric into saying that her refusal to convert, her refusal to surrender to Christ, is as good a thing as would be her willingness. She can go on worshiping herself instead. But she'll pay for it eventually. And she needs to know this.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I have not asked you to do anything, you are the one that first contacted me, you seam to be a little paranoid. Also i am worshiping the God and the Goddess and the Spirits of nature, not myself. Also I do not believe in a God that delight in punishing people for not believing in Him so your attempts at intimidation is not that effective. I respect my Gods I do not fear them.
@Venefica82 Jesus is God. Explore that concept. Experientially. And if you can't or won't, then dig deep for the real reason. And if you do that conscientiously, you'll find inside you a very wicked beast. Is it better in that case to fantasize about false gods, or no gods, than to face this ultimate reality inside you? - over which you have no control.
But Jesus has control. ...
Is it Christian doctrine you fear? Then junk it. And now connect with the very Person of Christ. Why refuse Him?
@MyFriendLeonard1 Christianity is not the right path for me, and I do not believe as you do that there is only one true path. I do not fear Christianity but I do not believe in it. Now it is your right to think my Gods do not exist, just as it is my right to think your doctrines are incorrect. And to repeat myself, I am not interested in becoming a Christian, if you find meaning in that path, great, but it is not for me.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I just looked through your debate with Venefica. You talk about experiences. I once viewed your god as God, was once a Christian. But now I'm a Wiccan as I learned his bible is full of holes, gaps, and flaws. And she doesn't worship herself, like you say. I feel sorry for you for not being able to have an open mind. This seems to be the case with most Christians. They just want to shoot down any other faith and make theirs the top one. Such a pity. Blesed be!
@DraculHemming What touches my heart & stirs my conscience is not your self-serving nonsense. A Christian who answers to your judgment is no Christian at all. And someone who wishes for a Christian to answer to him, instead of to the Spirit Who personally saved him, is the devil. You might be honestly unaware of who it is you're speaking for. In which case, I invite you to explore, experientially, a far more real & redeeming Power than what's contained in your self-serving fantasies. Why not?
@MyFriendLeonard1 "Explore" a more redeeming power? You mean like your God. I've already tried that. Didn't work. No matter what, your Bible contains both contradictions and thinks I can't believe in. That's why I left Christianity. I can't follow a religion that leaves holes in both my heart and mind. That's why I'm a Wiccan. There are no holes in either now. The only one I "speak for" is myself, not your made up Satan figure. So if I am going to hell, I'll be in good company.
@DraculHemming I didn't say experience the Bible. I didn't say experience a church. I said experience Christ. So now what do you say? If you can't differentiate a Book or a place from a Person, then God help you indeed. : )
@MyFriendLeonard1 I tried "experiencing Christ" before. It was thanks to that "experience" that led me onto my path of Wicca as it helped my eyes be opened. The goddess is already helping me in life, so I don't need your god's help.
@DraculHemming So you're a failure. And rather than admit you're a failure, you're going to claim that Christ's Divinity depends on YOUR experiencing it. He's God when YOU say He is.
Meanwhile, if you were on truly intimate terms with your goddess, instead of being a failure in that direction as well, she'd confess to you this secret: Ultimately she bows to Christ.
So go ahead. Ask her. Most entities have to be asked before they divulge this fact. How much about her can you bear to know? : )
@MyFriendLeonard1 Dang, how long did it take for you to spin that piece of dribble? I'm not a failure in my direction because I have faith in my religion. I'm not the one that has to put down others of other faiths to feel good about myself. Maybe you should ask your God what he has to say about the Goddess. If he doesn't lie, he'd share with you that the Goddess gave birth to him.
@DraculHemming Faith? You better start dealing in experience. But if you want just to joke around with yourself, then so be it. That's all atheists ever do too. Same difference.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Hopefully you aren't implying I am an atheist. You currently sound that way. And yes, I do have faith in my experience. My experiences have taught me that Christianity is wrong on certain concepts and not a religion for me.
@DraculHemming You may as well be an atheist. You deny the Divinity of Christ. And push come to shove, you're w/ them & not us. So why should we acknowledge any distinction? You're all enemies of Christ. What's the difference between a false god & no god? Both allow you to live in Self & hate the real God. Both deal in serving Satan.
All entities bow to Christ. If you're too scared to explore that idea, you're not genuinely spiritual. You're just fooling around. And that's all atheists do too.
@MyFriendLeonard1 What's interesting about many pagans is that they do tend to hang out with atheists (I have observed anyway). Even a cursory glance at pagan channels here on YouTube soon reveals that many pagans favourite and sub to atheists and skeptics. Many atheists simply repeat (in fact copy and paste) whole chunks of text from well known (and worn) anti-Christianity websites (which reveals they know little about thelogy and philosophy of religion or science).
@MyFriendLeonard1 Many are looking for excuses to stay in their rebellion and sin rather than actually find proper answers to their questions. Even directing them towards good apologetic literature and websites often draws a blank. Sad thing is, it doesn't wash with God as all will be held accountable for their insencerity and feeble attempts at justifying themselves.
@Shazoolo The enemies of Christ are all the same. And that includes those who are working inside Christianity as nominal Christians. None can step up to undergoing the actual holistic experience of Christ's Spirit. They keep changing the subject, bringing up doctrinal matters, reducing God to a mere concept. And my problem w/ apologetic literature is that it plays right into such evasion & stalling. Keep the enemies of Christ focused on the challenge to experience His Spirit in a holistic way.
@Shazoolo When I tried to find "proper answers" the pastors and such I talked to constantly told me the same thing of "god works in mysterious ways" or "that's satan talk you're thinking of". When I actually prayed for answers, I was led away from Christianity thanks to actual facts and not just blind faith, and found a religion that actually made sense in Wicca.
@MyFriendLeonard1 The only "enemies" to Christ would probably be the Christians who go around claiming they are, but don't follow Jesus' teachings. FYI, when it comes to faith and religion, its not all black and white like you want to believe. If you want to say Wiccans are atheists, we can say the same about Christianity as you deny the Goddess. See the point? Quit claiming we follow your made up satan figure. And I explored that idea already. You just don't get it.
@DraculHemming And here's another way in which pagans favor atheists. They come off sounding so confident. But if I were to challenge you to put your beliefs to the ultimate test, which is for you to undergo a Christian exorcism, I'm sure suddenly your confidence would evaporate. There'd be hesitation. Excuses. More stalling. And finally some clever way of saving face as you refuse. Wicca and Christianity aren't equal ways. Yours is a joke - instantly revealed as demonic under exorcism. Amen?
@MyFriendLeonard1 Christians sound the exact same way. It isn't just Wiccans. Most of us are confident because we used to walk a Christian life and learned it wasn't for us. As for undergoing a "Christian" exorcism, I've already been there. The only thing that happened was the Christians performing it made themselves look stupid as most of everything they did was just copy Pagan banishing rituals, using specifics of the Christian god and their "demons".
@DraculHemming Again, I'm talking about experiencing Christ as God. I'm not talking about mere doctrines and faith walks. I want non-Christians to focus on gaining the overwhelming holistic experience of Christ and stop being distracted by a million other considerations. Get the sort of experience of Christ from which you can never walk away. Shoot for THAT. And then see what you think. Christ IS the ultimate spiritual experience. Anything less is the little leagues. Stop cheating yourself.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I tried that already. What part of that don't you get? How can you prove your god is the actual god? It could be the Goddess' works. I already aimed for that. And as you can see, I walked away. You may think your god is the ultimate spiritual experience. But here's the fact of the matter. Spirituality is different for everyone. Your spirituality doesn't work for me. I follow my own path, not yours.
@DraculHemming This is the same stufff I got to deal with when talking with atheists. All non-Christians are the same.
You can't say you DID something unless you SUCCEEDED at it.. You can't say that you connected with CHRIST - but still deny His Divinity.
The fact of the matter is that you did nothing. But if you were ever to begin telling the flat-out straight-up truth to yourself, about anything, then your Wicca project would implode. Wouldn't it?
@MyFriendLeonard1 Then why don't you take a walk at being an Atheist or a Druid? If you fail at it, you didn't really do it. Let me share with you something. At one time, I truly did believe in Christ. However, at that time, I was ignorant of most of the stuff said in the Bible. As I learned about His Word, I saw the lies and couldn't believe what he claimed anymore.
The same can be said about Christians. They have a Character problem as well.
@DraculHemming Again, like an atheist, you don't get it. And how more clearly can I express it? A child could take over trying to explain this to you. I'm not talking about believing. I'm talking about EXPERIENCING Christ as God. And once a person does that, why would he want to renounce that experience for the sake of something ridiculously less?
Like an atheist, you can pretend you don't get it. But the fact of the matter is that you have no desire to experience God, because you live for SELF
@MyFriendLeonard1 And apparently you yourself don't get it as a narrow-minded Christian. As far as it is concerned to me, your Christ is not God to me. How can he be when his word is flawed, even though he claims he and his word is perfect? I could go on and explain everything to you, but comment constraints prevent me. If you'd like to know more, please message me.
@DraculHemming Experiencing Christ as God results in narrow-mindedness? See, like an atheist, you can't distinguish between God and doctrine! You can't detach those 2 in your mind. You think to experience Christ as God obligates you to believe in doctrines you don't like. Meanwhile you're blind to the fact that there IS no monolithic Christian doctrine. Experiencers of Christ believe in all sorts of things, regarding doctrine and politics. Truth is, you just HATE CHRIST - like Satan hates Him.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Have you experienced the Lord and Lady? No, because your god claims its nothing but Satan. Listen, bible aside, I don't think I could follow your god because of how history has shown him. How many wars have been started in his name? Then how many wars have been in the names of Pagan deities? he is a hypocrite (if you read the bible) who can't even follow his own laws, and his people are even bigger hypocrites.
@DraculHemming Yes, history has shown hypocrites but the Bible warns of this so this shouldn't surprise us. The Bible warns us that false Christians will come and attempt to bring shame upon the message of the Gospel of Jesus (e.g. 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Corinthians 11:13, 26; Galatians 2:4; 1 John 3:15, etc.). True Christianity does not seek to harm its neighbour, but rather seeks to obey the commandment of Christ which states: "You shall love your neighbour as yourself" (Mark 12:31).
@DraculHemming You're still thinking that experiencing Christ as God OBLIGATES you somehow to take certain moral and political stands.
Look, I can't do your thinking for you. And if you're satisfied with living amid so much confusion, then so be it. The point I'm making isn't hard to understand. And the experience I'm challenging you to undergo is entirely wonderful. Meanwhile, alternative religions that happily welcome people who just want evilly to spite Christ are spiritually bankrupt.
@MyFriendLeonard1 And the point I make is simple as well. I've done your challenge, but with my knowledge, I cannot acknowledge a being like your Christ as god. Its the same as you admitting the Goddess as the creator. Second, I'm not in my faith to "spite" Christ. I follow my heart. Remember, at one time, Christianity and your god was the "alternative" religion. Finally, I'm not confused. I know where my heart, mind, and faith lies, and I don't appreciate you tryin to label me
@DraculHemming I think all you do is lie to yourself. And that's yet another way in which pagans favor atheists. You haven't done anything in regard to making a spiritual connection with Christ. If you did, then you'd understand the point I'm making. In fact, you'd be a CHRISTIAN. But you're dedicated to the LIE instead. And so what if you have some different way of expressing that dedication? It's the SAME LIE - in all enemies of Christ.
Again I challenge you to undergo a Christian exorcism.
@MyFriendLeonard1 You call my faith a lie? You might as well talk to a mirror. Care to explain how YOUR god has a wife that was nearly completely hidden to the world, and that early Israelites worshipped both Yahweh and Ashurah? Maybe the true "enemies" of Christ are the Christians themselves. Fine, I'll go through ANOTHER Christian exorcism when you go through a Pagan exorcism. In the meantime, feel free to message me, as I got more to share than comments allow.
@DraculHemming You have been greatly deceived here. This isn't new and there is no cover up. In fact, anyone with a basic theological training knows about Asherah and the relationship to ancient Israel. I studied this in theological college back in the mid 90's in fact. Now it's been popularized (and greatly distorted) by presenters like the atheist Francesca Stavrakopoulou. The history of Israel is replete with examples of syncretism and apostasy. Not endorsed by Yahweh!
@DraculHemming Your faith is a lie. Your devotion is to The Lie. There are no Wiccan exorcisms. There's only goofing around in Satan. And Satan is in no way spiritually equivalent to Christ. And it's odd that you'd claim he's merely equivalent, instead of superior. I guess there's a limit to how much some Wiccans can lie before their suppressed Christian good conscience becomes active.
Tell me what happened during your exorcism. And explain why this first one precludes undergoing a second.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Satan is an explanation for our own inner troubles. There are some spirits that latch on to our weaknesses, and we do have Wiccan exorcisms to banish them and help with healing. When I go about in the Season I only say "Blessed Yule" to those for whom I know are celebrating that Holiday, otherwise I say Happy Holidays as I know that person could be celebrating Hannukka, Christmas, Kwanzaa or many other occasions. What matters is that they celebrate
@sammyhain13 That's nice. So I now invite you to visit your local exorcist church. Explain to the pastor your point of view. And see if you walk out of there still adhering to it.
Non-Christians talk a good game. But none of them is so confident in his beliefs as actually to put them to the ultimate test.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Yea, we consider the most dangerous curse the one which takes away our free will. We surround ourselves with protective energy against all the people who pray that we'll "come back to Jesus." Oh, I've sat down and talked with many pastors, ministers, and priests. Nice fellows
@MyFriendLeonard1 I don't see why I need to explain the events of the exorcism when you haven't answered anything. All you have done is belittled my faith and proved that you can't think for yourself, so you allow your Bible to think for you. In my heart, the Lord and Lady trumps your god and his word. Just as in your heart, your god trumps your devil.
@MyFriendLeonard1 You're talking about an exorcism to change one's faith, in other words, trying to take away one's free will. No wonder Christianity is on a decline. It just proves the point. The only time Christianity was #1 was when it was forced onto others. Now that it isn't Christianity has lost power.
@DraculHemming I think the problem with simply following your heart is that it is very subjective. In fact the Bible itself declares that 'The heart is deceitful above all things...' (Jer. 17:9). You can deceive yourself with your own sinful desires, then seek to justify yourself. You need to look at the evidence for faith as well. Christianity enjoys a vast wealth of evidence from modern cosmology, archeaology, history, etc., as well as the millions of transformed on top of that.
@LadyMoonhare You are right about that and you do offer good advice. I try to give everyone a chance, but when people just do not want to even understand, that is pretty hard to do.
Jesus and that is offensive ? well I think society really needs to rethink their priorities as a cristians my job is to tell you that the maker of heaven and earth the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end is the one and true God who took our fallen form and came to earth to die for the sins of all humanity that no other"god" has ever done that he love you so much he died for all our sins is ur choice from there
No one is offended by the fact that really rich men can rape women and get away with it because they are rich and famous no one is offended by the fact that there are at least 13 million women and children been sold as sex slaves or the fact that last year Amazon published a book on how sodomise children no one is offended by the fact more and more children are left with only one parent to take care of them because is ok to sleep around with married people but say
Most X-tians today won't force a Bible into anyone's face God gives free will and honors our decisions he won't force us to chose him Jehova witnesses are the ones who do that and they are not really cristians x-mas is and has been for the longest time a x-tian celebration world wide and it will stay as such with Jesus been the center of it I can be watching a show at 3 pm with my kids all of the sudden sex everywhere no one is offended by that
sorry but no saying I am a cristian or Merry X-mas is not offensive now if I told you to get off the computer and hit the treadmill that is offensive see the difference?
@katelling1 This is true, but there are extreme cases that go too far. I told someone happy holidays and they snapped back at me going "Its 'Merry Christmas'! What are you, an atheist?" I explained that I am a Wiccan and my holiday is Yule, and they snapped on me, forcing one of those pocket bibles into my face saying I need Jesus. I told them to say what they want, but I know what's true in my heart, and it isn't in that book you wave about, then walked off as they continued to rant
(2) I love that all faiths can come together and all celebrate this season. It's not just about Christmas, but about other Winter-centred celebrations too, such as Hanukkah, the Winter Solstice, Dōngzhì Festival, Yule, Lohri etc. There are so many Winter celebrations. I don't think it's about pushing Christianity aside, it's about including everyone being all together. Or, at least that's how I see it. I know sometimes commercialism can be grotesque, we can all sympathise with that!! bb
(1) Here in Norwich, although we still have commercialised Christmas, I've seen plenty of Nativity scenes, heard plenty of carols and even seen Salvation Army brass bands playing in the high street. There's a Christian stall that frequents outside Primark (when it's not an animal charity stall - it changes over the week). Our Cathedral is very popular, there will be traditional Christmas fayres and many services over this period. I see no marginalisation here.
@LadyMoonhare Check out the documentation provided here: Google: Marginalising Christians christian institute pdf (the Christmas section but the wider report too is still relevant). Bear in mind that the info from this research is gleaned mainly from secular sources as well (see endnotes of pdf).
@DraculHemming It's terrible how those others, bullies every last one of them, pretend to be so desperately offended, as if they were weak lil' pansies and cannot possibly cope.
A true Christian doesn't care about offending the devil's feelings. All this started because too many mere nominal Christians felt pity for the devil in his whining. And now where will it end?
The first thing Jesus makes us is no fool for the devil. If you find yourself feeling sorry for a wounded devil, then check yourself, and repent.
And if you don't get that logic at all, then get saved for real and start your Christian walk all over again.
@MyFriendLeonard1 You guys aren't offending the devil by forcing Christian basics into the holidays. You are offending non-Christians. Its funny considering Christians stole pagan traditions for their Christmas (such as a Christmas tree)
@Furriesarecute you can keep your prayers. I don't need them. I am secure in my faith. Apparently however, you (along with a lot of Christians I see) aren't secure as whenever they are confronted with anything that contradicts their faith, they simply claim they're making tricks and use the common blame of sin and Satan. The only trickery comes from Christians who hide their history of bloodshed from the masses to fool them.
That is insane. I am Pagan and I do not understand how people could be offended by Christmas. Yes I get the annoyance that Christians often get days of and so on for their holidays but we of different religions do not for ours, but seriously to be offended over Christmas is insane to me, I did not even know that it was not PC to say marry Christmas, though in Norway we still have the holiday named after it's Pagan roots so. Anyway PC can be good at some times, but this gets ridiculous.
@Venefica82 Push come to shove, though, whose side are you on? Which do you think is the ultimately better side? If it's the secularist side, then just save your pity for us Christians. We don't want it. If it's the Christian side, then declare yourself right now and start living a useful life in Christ. No seeking pats on the head from both sides! Pick which side you're on - in total and forever.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Push come to shove I am for freedom of religion. I am not not either side, nor do I have pity for Christianity. I am for respect for every life path no matter what that might be. I am not Christian, I however see no reason to be insulted by someone saying Marry Christmas, that is not pity, it is respect for another religion and for tradition. You need to stop seeing the entire world as a war, that must be very tiering for you.
@Venefica82 I'm bound by my religion to think in terms of spiritual warfare. This warfare is what defines our religion. There's no understanding Christianity except in those terms. And if we were operating in self, it would be tiring. But we're tapping into a Higher Power, Who sustains us in His supernatural Joy. And ... you dodged the question. Why not absolutely level with yourself? Push come to shove, are you an enemy or ally of Christ? If you'd still hedge, then just admit you're an enemy.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I did not dodge your question, I do not share your paradigm of conflict. I am not Christian and have no desire to be Christian, however I respect the Christian religion and I also respect the religion's heritage in the Western world. In your eyes I would probably be an enemy since I am pagan, luckily most Christians while they might think other religions is wrong, is more tolerant than that. I wish you well.
@Venefica82 True, most Christians are weak and foolish, easily intimidated and anxious for the ungodly to like them. They defer to the ungodly, and are happy to receive pats on the head from them for being good little Christians who pose no threat to the secular establishment.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am not dodging any questions, I have answered you, twice, however not all of us live in the black and white world filled with war and hate that you seam to, I can not answer a question from your world view as I do not share it, I an only answer from my own. Most Christians are good, kind people who treat others with kindness and respect and that I deeply respect.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Again I have answered your questions please reread my posts, if my answers do not conform to your black/white world view that is not dodging any questions. I have no desire to be Christian, nor do I flatter Christianity, I respect the religion, along with many other religions, and I am not sure who I am supposed to fool by that. Are you so against respect towards those of different opinions that you even see others respecting your views as an insult?
@Venefica82 See, you don't even know how to process my question. But it's one that Christ Himself might ask of you. It's a question that He certainly asked me. And most Christians will testify that they know how to answer it.
Now, I gather your view is that a good Christian is one who'll enable you in remaining an atheist. Failing that, he's a bad Christian. But that's to ask Christians to defer to your judgment instead of to God's, as if yours were better. In which case, you're the devil.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am not an Atheist, I am Pagan, though I am not sure it is much point in continuing this debate, you have just called me an Atheist and the Devil in the same post so I am not so sure you know what any of the words you say mean. Now in the Western world we have freedom of religion, meaning I go my way, and you go yours. I wish you the best.
@Venefica82 You don't wish me the best The devil wishes only death.
Just level with yourself, in regard to what's really going on. Respecting certain Christians on your own sweet terms is no big righteous deal. And to respect them on God's terms requires a complete reordering of your worldview. And that requires accepting Christ into your heart and becoming a Christian. Those of us who know Him aren't fooled.
Push come to shove, are you on God's side or the devil's? There are only 2 choices.
@MyFriendLeonard1 If I am the Devil, should you really be talking with me. Now think what you want, I wish you well though I do not understand how anyone can live with so much fear and hate towards anything not exactly like you. I hope you path bring you joy though I also hope more people chooses a path of respect and understanding for other people, no matter what religion they are of as your kind of fanaticism really do create so much hate in the world.
@Venefica82 Absolutely I should be talking to the devil - and without fear. As a practical matter, it's unavoidable in this world. And in fact Jesus did so - without fear. Nor with much civility either.
And am I really speaking in terms of hate? Or is that just a ploy you use in defending your position?
And was Jesus not a "fanatic"? - in a sense. And if He was ... are you ready to denounce Him as bad?
And aren't you a fanatic for your own self-created and self-serving identity and agenda?
@MyFriendLeonard1 Fanatism is being so locked in your own point of view that there is no room for even respect of other opinions, open a dictionary and read the definition. Now as for Jesus, in many aspects yes He would fanatical by to day's standards, but He was also a wise and kind man who lived his life with compassion. Now yes you speak from hate, hate for everything not fitting into your world view, you even think your religion is a war.
@Venefica82 I think you just described yourself. You still can't fathom my question, because it makes no sense per your fanatical egalitarianism.
And now, are you able to step away from your fanatical position, and view it objectively. Look at what you're doing. You're defining even Jesus on your own terms. You're holding Him at arm's length and sizing Him up per your own self-serving values. Why not drop those terms and just experience Him? - as your God.
@MyFriendLeonard1 So tolerance in your world is fanatism, you have a pretty twisted view of most things it seams, including words. I do understand your question, however to me there is no either Christianity or Atheism for I am of neither, I am Pagan, I am religious but I am not Cristian, so again and again I have given you my answer, neither. And no I still have no desire to be a Christian, I am happy with my own religious path thank you.
@Venefica82 I invite you to redefine Christianity for us Christians, so that we may serve your interests & become good people in your eyes, as this is all that should matter to us. Meanwhile, from the Christian view, there are only 2 camps. Those who declare the Divinity of Christ. And those who deny it. The deniers can go on to sub-divide themselves. But we aren't fooled. They can't escape what they ultimately are, which is deniers of the Divinity of Christ. And that's also what the devil is.
@MyFriendLeonard1 I have not asked you to redefine anything, but you are asking me to answer a question from a black/white world view that I do not share and saying that I am dodging the question when I point that out. That is like asking someone if they live in USA or Canada and then then saying the other person is dodging the question when they say neither, I live in Italy. You can define your religion as you please, but I do not share this view so my answer is still neither.
@Venefica82 What I'm asking is: Would you live in JESUS - or somewhere else? ... once you realize that there ARE only 2 places in which to live! - either in HIM or apart from Him.
And you can define Peace and Love on your terms, and then imagine a Jesus Who'd endorse your definitions. But you don't live IN Him. So what do you know about Peace and Love?
It comes down to who owns Reality - even your personal reality. Do YOU own it? No. Jesus does. And THAT is truly to understand Christianity.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Silly me I thought peace and love was living harmoniously with others and caring about them. Now as I have answered you quite a few times, I am Pagan and happy as Pagan, I have no interest in converting to Christianity, I thank you for your concern for my Spiritual wellbeing, I know it was meant well, but no thank you I am fulfilled and happy on the path I am already walking.
@Venefica82 Peace & Love are about living in Christ.
You're living in Self. That's not a good place to be. You might claim you're happy. But those of us who live in Christ know you're lying. And some of us were very good people, by almost any standard, before accepting Christ as God. After that acceptance, however, we saw what miserable fools we once had been.
Push come to shove, you would choose the side that allows you to define Reality for yourself, as if you own Reality and were God.
@MyFriendLeonard1 Peace and love is coexisting with others, and caring for them, you can redefine the words all you want, but that is what you mean. Now I think perhaps it is time to agree to disagree and stop cluttering up the channel owner''s channel, our world views do not match, and never will. I could hold up a rock and if your priest said it was cheese you would eat it, you are completely blind to anything outside your own dogma, so this debate will lead nowhere.
The first one: I don't know what the Nativity Scene is.
The second one: This is somewhat understandable depending on the carols as some reference the Christian deity. You don't really hear carols involving Pagan gods.
The third one: Makes sense for the reason you said about offending. Either say Happy Holidays, or only say your faith's holiday if you know that person shares your faith.
@drl15son I'm not so sure of that. Militant secularism is much more rampant in the UK, although for sure it's coming here. In the UK, an employer can fire you for just wearing a Cross or in some other way mentioning your belief at the workplace. And I reported recently on a British cafe owner's becoming a target of police harassment on account of a display of Bible verses on a wall.
@GlobalBurden Maybe I spoke to soon. I was watching a NFL football game on the internet when the ads said Christmas. Thanks for the info. From what I see as a factor in this militant secularism against Christians is the use of God by the Tea Party and the GOP. They say and do things that are anti-Christian. The non believer sees it and believes that's what being a Christian is. The wolves and goats in the Church are adding to the anger and hate of Jesus Christ.
@GlobalBurden Satan is the ruler of this World. He's working both sides. The Tea party and the GOP say and do things that are anti-Christ. Even if what you say is correct, a believer is not to do things that causes people to mock God. Non believers see their actions as Christian, and it causes them to mock God. The Gospel mixed with political ideals isn't the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are two kinds of people only. We who are believers according to the Scriptures and non believers.
@drl15son I think I understand what you mean. And I think on some idealistic level I agree with you. But we're still to function on a practical level too. And that's where I think criticism of the Tea Party goes astray.
@GlobalBurden I hear what you are saying. However, these are the end times, and it will be best to do what Jesus commanded us to do. We are to spread His Gospel to the non believing World. Anyone who's not a believer are those people, and Jesus loves them also. The Tea Party say God but do those things that are Anti-Christ. There are many scriptures that warn the believer on how he should live. Out of the heart the mouth speaks. That defines who you are.
@Furriesarecute Can I ask you something? How can you claim this is a Christian country? Christians have a habit of throwing freedom of religion around, but have the habit of it only being for their own religion. Even the First Amendment can prove it isn't a Christian country, as the first Commandmant says to have no other gods, yet the Amendment gives freedom of religion, meaning ANY religion of any God.
@DraculHemming The founding fathers were Christian. Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. How isn't this a Christian country?
God has been taken out of the classrooms and for what? School shootings? A rise in teen pregnancy? Immorality along with the teaching that homosexuality is somehow normal?
It is about time that people take a good long look at where our country started and how we managed to stray so far from the truth.
@Furriesarecute Actually, the founding fathers, as I've learned, were freemasons, not Christians. If you read my example, you'd see that our laws are not based on the Ten Commandments. The First Amendment is proof of that.
The Christian God has been taken out of the classroom to prevent lawsuits. Homosexuality is more normal than some of the bigotry I've seen present in the bible.
If you wanna know how we stayed so far from the truth, look at Christians who forced religion.
@sammyhain13 What? how is that free will I pray for a million things in this life I never pray so I can stay a cristian if I decided to stop been a cristian tomorrow that is my choice I don't surround my self with energy so that I can stay a cristian even in the Bible there were people who wanted to follow Jesus he just didn't take the offer we don't want a bunch of people who hates Jesus becoming X-tians we want people full of power thru the Holy Spirit as x-tians
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming you have every right to go into hell with open arms I wish u luck once u get there
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming spiritual battle going on the battle for the souls of humanity between Jesus and satan doesn't like to lose souls. Jesus loves you and died for u but if u don't want to accept him don't that is your choice God gave it to you and in this world some are Tares and some are wheat the Tares belong to satan and the wheat belong to God
katelling1 2 months ago
@katelling1 Its very good that Jesus loves me, but I consider it an insult to have someone "pay for my burdens." They are mine and mine alone. And I've already said, if I am wrong and am judged to hell, I will thank God for the choice and accept hell with open arms, as I rather follow my heart and be wrong than compromise my beliefs to be right, but I would ask him why all the games he plays.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Adam and Eve where the first ones in the garden they were allowed to eat from every tree in the garden except for one in order for satan to rule he had to get them to disobey God and once they did they were cast down too to this day anyone who wants to serve God with there whole heart will face persecution by the ruler of this world you don't have to take my world for it any one can try it start reading the Bible going to church see if things don't start going wrong that is the
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming sorry I wasn't able to respond right away but my computer is mess up u have a lot of questions and even if I tried to explain u would not understand what I will say is this there is only one God and creator of everything one day God's most beautiful angel became jelous and decided that he wanted to become a god himself so he started a war in heaven and he was cast down with thousands of other angels as a way to get back at God he decided to destroy God's creation men
katelling1 2 months ago
John 15:21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.
Mark 13:13
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
FeignofCordor 2 months ago
you should see the vid 'putting the x back in xmas'. it explains the true origins of the festival, and they're all non-biblical. so don't see what the big deal is: the winter solstice is an entirely pagan festival
BoricuaChiTown 2 months ago
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I'm not religious, I don't believe in the virgin birth and all that crap, but even I'm offended by this, not the christmas thing, but the politicial correctness thing, what idiot came up with this, it has to be council officials, the real scrooge types, well, I say, merry christmas to you all and fuck you, you bunch of scroogey fear mongering cunts who don't agree with it, heres my british two finger salute, .\^\/^/.. (*blows raspberries* :P) .......MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
markhorneyuk 2 months ago
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markhorneyuk 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Pentecostals,Catholics etc are cristians even do we don't see eye to eye on everything only God sees the heart and when the disciples had this fight he picked up a little child and said Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me for he is least among u all and he is the greatest Jesus loves u and died for u but will never force anyone you have free will
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@katelling1 I just sent you a message, as I couldn't explain everything in comments.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming I hope this wasn't another huge copy and paste from another anti-Christian website. Do you have any Christian books by theologians and apologists? If not, I could recommend some if you are at all really interested.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@Shazoolo
Comment 1: Care to explain why the Christian god himself is a hypocrite?
Comment 2: Got a history fact there? Plain and simple, people using the Christian title are the ones that killed and tried to hide knowledge to take over.
Comment 3: I would be interested, but just as you'd read any pagan material with a mindset that its of Satan, I'd read it with a grain of salt as well.
Sidenote: I really can't stand multi-comments. Please send a note if possible next time.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Hypocrite? History fact? You can't really be serious here, surely? Under Nero alone many Christians were martyred by the pagan Romans. Tacitus speaks of this and goes into detail about the form of executions and tortures. I'm surprised you would askk this. It's all basic stuff, accepted by virtually everyone. Equally despotic tyrants followed in kind on and off.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Even today an estimated 1 million Christians continue to face persecution by non-Christians (& do mean DEATH and TORTURE here, not just 'prejudice' and politically incorrect name calling). Open Doors produce news (with evidence) often hidden by the mainstream secular press on the plight of Christians worldwide. You watch the persecution come to the West as well (albeit in a different form). Marginilization and mockery is here now, executions will come.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming I can't recall what you mean by comment 3 so please clarify and I will get back to you God willing when i get a moment again.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming we have groups that try to miss themselves up as cristians who have half cristian belief and then something also mix in with it which makes it hard on us because we know this groups try to pass themselves as cristians and confuse people who want to come to God and take them the opposite way and people are misled Jehova Witnesses are not cristians, people who rejects the Bible are obviously not cristians this people are very damaging to cristianity Baptists,Lutherans,
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@DraculHemming fine what do u want me to tell u u have a right to choose I did my job when Jesus went into a town and he wans't welcome he went on to another town he didn't beg or fight he left but I do want to say something about denominations they are like the apostles arguing who is right but just like the apostles each had their own job to do the church as a hole is part of the same body with Jesus as the head the arm doesn't do the same thing as the foot but is just as important
katelling1 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@MyFriendLeonard1
As a cristian thru this relationship we receive the Holy Spirit we live under God's presence we are guided by him Jesus himself when he was being tempted by satan in Matthew 4:1-11 he kept telling satan it is written he knew God's word and in the battle field is the first thing we need our sword of the spirit the same way Jesus did he led by example
katelling1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am a cristian and I have no idea what u are talking about God is not a holistic experience and we have to read the Bible Jesus died so we could have the truth John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his home among us (Jesus).John 14:6 I am the way , and the truth and the life no one comes to the father but through me WAY-bridge between us and God the father.TRUTH-Bible LIFE -eternal life a relationship between God and men same way as in the garden between God Adam and Eve
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming No it will not be stupid John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice and i know them and they follow which means if he says wait here that is exactly what he's people will do satan is and will always be underneath Jesus God's power is superior to his and is your choice who to chose I am not talking about an experience I am talking about a relation ship a walk of faith the presence of the Holy Spirit in our daily life in the end after all is said and done satan will lose it is written
katelling1 2 months ago
@katelling1 Plain and simple, I have my relationship with the Lord and Lady. You have your god, and I have mine. Christianity is not a one-size-fits-all religion. If that was the case, there wouldn't be denomination after denomination arguing with each other about who's right. Baptists wouldn't be on Catholics. Catholics wouldn't be on Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. etc.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming
Why then do you defend wicca so much ? sometimes when we go looking for answers the road gets difficult and we get lost but the good shepherd left his 99 sheep to look for the one that got lost may be he did answer you but not in the way you expected it every time someone comes looking for Jesus and their heart is true trouble comes their way too and a decision has to be made to stay in the path and fight or stray away from it Jesus loves you he fought and died for you
katelling1 2 months ago
@katelling1 Okay... leaving 99 sheep to find 1 sheep sounds like a stupid sheppard. Caring, yes, but also stupid, as while he went to find the one, the 99 could have ran off as well. A little common sense would be helpful. As for if he actually did answer, then let's put it like this. If Jesus answered, then Jesus led me to Wicca. If "Satan" answered, it means either Jesus bowed down to satan or that satan's light shone brighter than jesus' as "he's" the path i now follow.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1
Everyone is free to chose who they will follow who is Leonard?
katelling1 2 months ago
Ehhh...but The Holidays are about the birth of Jesus, so it is ridiculous and hypocritical to ban the Happy Christmas but still keep the comerce! There is only one God and He is the Loving Creator of all things; Jesus came to tell us that so why anyone should be offended by the good news?! Now, because dark manipulating forces got into the Faith and made a mess of things so people would lose touch with the Truth and get all confused about it, it is not Jesus or God's fault! Think about it.
TheSuperMAn1989 2 months ago
@bibleansweman1000 on the night that Jesus was born 3 wise men from far away follow a brilliant star because they knew the King of Kings had been born they had gifts of Gold, frankincense, and myrrh because they understood the significance of the birth of this child so they celebrated his birthday 2,000 ago with very expensive gifts today we still celebrate the kings birthday all over the world.
katelling1 2 months ago
you guys just have to accept your in the minority now ,get over it !!!!,oh and get used to it ....lol
bibleanswerman1000 2 months ago
The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene in the United
States' Capital this Christmas season. This isn't for any religious reason. They simply have not been able to find Three Wise Men in the Nation's Capitol. The search for a Virgin continues. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable
DreamsOfCottages 2 months ago
Do the "oppressed majority" remove their religious symbols in any other country?
No, because the very concept is laughable. Don't give in to their barbaric demands.
The majority of us tollerate and integrate with other faiths lovingly. Don't let them tell
you what to think, what to say, what to do, when to do, when to think and when to say.
Our ancestors fought and gave their lives for freedom under religious persecution.
This is not the USSR. Love your God freely and however you want to. Peace
classicUKads 2 months ago
@Venefica82 just looking out for your own interests as a fellow pagan: don't prolong this debate, because fundamentally MrFriendLeonard does not want to understand your beliefs, he just wants to convert you to his. You're just wasting your energy because I guarantee that he does not understand the world the same way as we do, nor does he wish to. Bb xx
LadyMoonhare 2 months ago
@LadyMoonhare It's not about beliefs. It's about an experience, a holistic way of Being. I don't care what she believes about Christ - after she has experienced Him as God.
And if she doesn't wish to convert, so be it. I just can't be bullied by egalitarian rhetoric into saying that her refusal to convert, her refusal to surrender to Christ, is as good a thing as would be her willingness. She can go on worshiping herself instead. But she'll pay for it eventually. And she needs to know this.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I have not asked you to do anything, you are the one that first contacted me, you seam to be a little paranoid. Also i am worshiping the God and the Goddess and the Spirits of nature, not myself. Also I do not believe in a God that delight in punishing people for not believing in Him so your attempts at intimidation is not that effective. I respect my Gods I do not fear them.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 Jesus is God. Explore that concept. Experientially. And if you can't or won't, then dig deep for the real reason. And if you do that conscientiously, you'll find inside you a very wicked beast. Is it better in that case to fantasize about false gods, or no gods, than to face this ultimate reality inside you? - over which you have no control.
But Jesus has control. ...
Is it Christian doctrine you fear? Then junk it. And now connect with the very Person of Christ. Why refuse Him?
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Christianity is not the right path for me, and I do not believe as you do that there is only one true path. I do not fear Christianity but I do not believe in it. Now it is your right to think my Gods do not exist, just as it is my right to think your doctrines are incorrect. And to repeat myself, I am not interested in becoming a Christian, if you find meaning in that path, great, but it is not for me.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I just looked through your debate with Venefica. You talk about experiences. I once viewed your god as God, was once a Christian. But now I'm a Wiccan as I learned his bible is full of holes, gaps, and flaws. And she doesn't worship herself, like you say. I feel sorry for you for not being able to have an open mind. This seems to be the case with most Christians. They just want to shoot down any other faith and make theirs the top one. Such a pity. Blesed be!
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming What touches my heart & stirs my conscience is not your self-serving nonsense. A Christian who answers to your judgment is no Christian at all. And someone who wishes for a Christian to answer to him, instead of to the Spirit Who personally saved him, is the devil. You might be honestly unaware of who it is you're speaking for. In which case, I invite you to explore, experientially, a far more real & redeeming Power than what's contained in your self-serving fantasies. Why not?
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 "Explore" a more redeeming power? You mean like your God. I've already tried that. Didn't work. No matter what, your Bible contains both contradictions and thinks I can't believe in. That's why I left Christianity. I can't follow a religion that leaves holes in both my heart and mind. That's why I'm a Wiccan. There are no holes in either now. The only one I "speak for" is myself, not your made up Satan figure. So if I am going to hell, I'll be in good company.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming I didn't say experience the Bible. I didn't say experience a church. I said experience Christ. So now what do you say? If you can't differentiate a Book or a place from a Person, then God help you indeed. : )
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I tried "experiencing Christ" before. It was thanks to that "experience" that led me onto my path of Wicca as it helped my eyes be opened. The goddess is already helping me in life, so I don't need your god's help.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming So you're a failure. And rather than admit you're a failure, you're going to claim that Christ's Divinity depends on YOUR experiencing it. He's God when YOU say He is.
Meanwhile, if you were on truly intimate terms with your goddess, instead of being a failure in that direction as well, she'd confess to you this secret: Ultimately she bows to Christ.
So go ahead. Ask her. Most entities have to be asked before they divulge this fact. How much about her can you bear to know? : )
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Dang, how long did it take for you to spin that piece of dribble? I'm not a failure in my direction because I have faith in my religion. I'm not the one that has to put down others of other faiths to feel good about myself. Maybe you should ask your God what he has to say about the Goddess. If he doesn't lie, he'd share with you that the Goddess gave birth to him.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Faith? You better start dealing in experience. But if you want just to joke around with yourself, then so be it. That's all atheists ever do too. Same difference.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Hopefully you aren't implying I am an atheist. You currently sound that way. And yes, I do have faith in my experience. My experiences have taught me that Christianity is wrong on certain concepts and not a religion for me.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming You may as well be an atheist. You deny the Divinity of Christ. And push come to shove, you're w/ them & not us. So why should we acknowledge any distinction? You're all enemies of Christ. What's the difference between a false god & no god? Both allow you to live in Self & hate the real God. Both deal in serving Satan.
All entities bow to Christ. If you're too scared to explore that idea, you're not genuinely spiritual. You're just fooling around. And that's all atheists do too.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 What's interesting about many pagans is that they do tend to hang out with atheists (I have observed anyway). Even a cursory glance at pagan channels here on YouTube soon reveals that many pagans favourite and sub to atheists and skeptics. Many atheists simply repeat (in fact copy and paste) whole chunks of text from well known (and worn) anti-Christianity websites (which reveals they know little about thelogy and philosophy of religion or science).
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Many are looking for excuses to stay in their rebellion and sin rather than actually find proper answers to their questions. Even directing them towards good apologetic literature and websites often draws a blank. Sad thing is, it doesn't wash with God as all will be held accountable for their insencerity and feeble attempts at justifying themselves.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@Shazoolo The enemies of Christ are all the same. And that includes those who are working inside Christianity as nominal Christians. None can step up to undergoing the actual holistic experience of Christ's Spirit. They keep changing the subject, bringing up doctrinal matters, reducing God to a mere concept. And my problem w/ apologetic literature is that it plays right into such evasion & stalling. Keep the enemies of Christ focused on the challenge to experience His Spirit in a holistic way.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@Shazoolo When I tried to find "proper answers" the pastors and such I talked to constantly told me the same thing of "god works in mysterious ways" or "that's satan talk you're thinking of". When I actually prayed for answers, I was led away from Christianity thanks to actual facts and not just blind faith, and found a religion that actually made sense in Wicca.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 The only "enemies" to Christ would probably be the Christians who go around claiming they are, but don't follow Jesus' teachings. FYI, when it comes to faith and religion, its not all black and white like you want to believe. If you want to say Wiccans are atheists, we can say the same about Christianity as you deny the Goddess. See the point? Quit claiming we follow your made up satan figure. And I explored that idea already. You just don't get it.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming And here's another way in which pagans favor atheists. They come off sounding so confident. But if I were to challenge you to put your beliefs to the ultimate test, which is for you to undergo a Christian exorcism, I'm sure suddenly your confidence would evaporate. There'd be hesitation. Excuses. More stalling. And finally some clever way of saving face as you refuse. Wicca and Christianity aren't equal ways. Yours is a joke - instantly revealed as demonic under exorcism. Amen?
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Christians sound the exact same way. It isn't just Wiccans. Most of us are confident because we used to walk a Christian life and learned it wasn't for us. As for undergoing a "Christian" exorcism, I've already been there. The only thing that happened was the Christians performing it made themselves look stupid as most of everything they did was just copy Pagan banishing rituals, using specifics of the Christian god and their "demons".
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Again, I'm talking about experiencing Christ as God. I'm not talking about mere doctrines and faith walks. I want non-Christians to focus on gaining the overwhelming holistic experience of Christ and stop being distracted by a million other considerations. Get the sort of experience of Christ from which you can never walk away. Shoot for THAT. And then see what you think. Christ IS the ultimate spiritual experience. Anything less is the little leagues. Stop cheating yourself.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I tried that already. What part of that don't you get? How can you prove your god is the actual god? It could be the Goddess' works. I already aimed for that. And as you can see, I walked away. You may think your god is the ultimate spiritual experience. But here's the fact of the matter. Spirituality is different for everyone. Your spirituality doesn't work for me. I follow my own path, not yours.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming This is the same stufff I got to deal with when talking with atheists. All non-Christians are the same.
You can't say you DID something unless you SUCCEEDED at it.. You can't say that you connected with CHRIST - but still deny His Divinity.
The fact of the matter is that you did nothing. But if you were ever to begin telling the flat-out straight-up truth to yourself, about anything, then your Wicca project would implode. Wouldn't it?
Non-Christians have a character problem.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Then why don't you take a walk at being an Atheist or a Druid? If you fail at it, you didn't really do it. Let me share with you something. At one time, I truly did believe in Christ. However, at that time, I was ignorant of most of the stuff said in the Bible. As I learned about His Word, I saw the lies and couldn't believe what he claimed anymore.
The same can be said about Christians. They have a Character problem as well.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Again, like an atheist, you don't get it. And how more clearly can I express it? A child could take over trying to explain this to you. I'm not talking about believing. I'm talking about EXPERIENCING Christ as God. And once a person does that, why would he want to renounce that experience for the sake of something ridiculously less?
Like an atheist, you can pretend you don't get it. But the fact of the matter is that you have no desire to experience God, because you live for SELF
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 And apparently you yourself don't get it as a narrow-minded Christian. As far as it is concerned to me, your Christ is not God to me. How can he be when his word is flawed, even though he claims he and his word is perfect? I could go on and explain everything to you, but comment constraints prevent me. If you'd like to know more, please message me.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Experiencing Christ as God results in narrow-mindedness? See, like an atheist, you can't distinguish between God and doctrine! You can't detach those 2 in your mind. You think to experience Christ as God obligates you to believe in doctrines you don't like. Meanwhile you're blind to the fact that there IS no monolithic Christian doctrine. Experiencers of Christ believe in all sorts of things, regarding doctrine and politics. Truth is, you just HATE CHRIST - like Satan hates Him.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Have you experienced the Lord and Lady? No, because your god claims its nothing but Satan. Listen, bible aside, I don't think I could follow your god because of how history has shown him. How many wars have been started in his name? Then how many wars have been in the names of Pagan deities? he is a hypocrite (if you read the bible) who can't even follow his own laws, and his people are even bigger hypocrites.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Yes, history has shown hypocrites but the Bible warns of this so this shouldn't surprise us. The Bible warns us that false Christians will come and attempt to bring shame upon the message of the Gospel of Jesus (e.g. 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Corinthians 11:13, 26; Galatians 2:4; 1 John 3:15, etc.). True Christianity does not seek to harm its neighbour, but rather seeks to obey the commandment of Christ which states: "You shall love your neighbour as yourself" (Mark 12:31).
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming The Romans were pagans were they not? How many Christians did they slaughter in the early centuries of the church?
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming You're still thinking that experiencing Christ as God OBLIGATES you somehow to take certain moral and political stands.
Look, I can't do your thinking for you. And if you're satisfied with living amid so much confusion, then so be it. The point I'm making isn't hard to understand. And the experience I'm challenging you to undergo is entirely wonderful. Meanwhile, alternative religions that happily welcome people who just want evilly to spite Christ are spiritually bankrupt.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 And the point I make is simple as well. I've done your challenge, but with my knowledge, I cannot acknowledge a being like your Christ as god. Its the same as you admitting the Goddess as the creator. Second, I'm not in my faith to "spite" Christ. I follow my heart. Remember, at one time, Christianity and your god was the "alternative" religion. Finally, I'm not confused. I know where my heart, mind, and faith lies, and I don't appreciate you tryin to label me
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming I think all you do is lie to yourself. And that's yet another way in which pagans favor atheists. You haven't done anything in regard to making a spiritual connection with Christ. If you did, then you'd understand the point I'm making. In fact, you'd be a CHRISTIAN. But you're dedicated to the LIE instead. And so what if you have some different way of expressing that dedication? It's the SAME LIE - in all enemies of Christ.
Again I challenge you to undergo a Christian exorcism.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 You call my faith a lie? You might as well talk to a mirror. Care to explain how YOUR god has a wife that was nearly completely hidden to the world, and that early Israelites worshipped both Yahweh and Ashurah? Maybe the true "enemies" of Christ are the Christians themselves. Fine, I'll go through ANOTHER Christian exorcism when you go through a Pagan exorcism. In the meantime, feel free to message me, as I got more to share than comments allow.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming You have been greatly deceived here. This isn't new and there is no cover up. In fact, anyone with a basic theological training knows about Asherah and the relationship to ancient Israel. I studied this in theological college back in the mid 90's in fact. Now it's been popularized (and greatly distorted) by presenters like the atheist Francesca Stavrakopoulou. The history of Israel is replete with examples of syncretism and apostasy. Not endorsed by Yahweh!
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Are you aware of the evidence for a universal and original monotheism, not just of Israel, but of other nations as well?
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@DraculHemming Your faith is a lie. Your devotion is to The Lie. There are no Wiccan exorcisms. There's only goofing around in Satan. And Satan is in no way spiritually equivalent to Christ. And it's odd that you'd claim he's merely equivalent, instead of superior. I guess there's a limit to how much some Wiccans can lie before their suppressed Christian good conscience becomes active.
Tell me what happened during your exorcism. And explain why this first one precludes undergoing a second.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Satan is an explanation for our own inner troubles. There are some spirits that latch on to our weaknesses, and we do have Wiccan exorcisms to banish them and help with healing. When I go about in the Season I only say "Blessed Yule" to those for whom I know are celebrating that Holiday, otherwise I say Happy Holidays as I know that person could be celebrating Hannukka, Christmas, Kwanzaa or many other occasions. What matters is that they celebrate
sammyhain13 2 months ago
@sammyhain13 That's nice. So I now invite you to visit your local exorcist church. Explain to the pastor your point of view. And see if you walk out of there still adhering to it.
Non-Christians talk a good game. But none of them is so confident in his beliefs as actually to put them to the ultimate test.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Yea, we consider the most dangerous curse the one which takes away our free will. We surround ourselves with protective energy against all the people who pray that we'll "come back to Jesus." Oh, I've sat down and talked with many pastors, ministers, and priests. Nice fellows
sammyhain13 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I don't see why I need to explain the events of the exorcism when you haven't answered anything. All you have done is belittled my faith and proved that you can't think for yourself, so you allow your Bible to think for you. In my heart, the Lord and Lady trumps your god and his word. Just as in your heart, your god trumps your devil.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming So in other words, you've never undergone a Christian exorcism.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 You're talking about an exorcism to change one's faith, in other words, trying to take away one's free will. No wonder Christianity is on a decline. It just proves the point. The only time Christianity was #1 was when it was forced onto others. Now that it isn't Christianity has lost power.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming I think the problem with simply following your heart is that it is very subjective. In fact the Bible itself declares that 'The heart is deceitful above all things...' (Jer. 17:9). You can deceive yourself with your own sinful desires, then seek to justify yourself. You need to look at the evidence for faith as well. Christianity enjoys a vast wealth of evidence from modern cosmology, archeaology, history, etc., as well as the millions of transformed on top of that.
Shazoolo 2 months ago
@LadyMoonhare You are right about that and you do offer good advice. I try to give everyone a chance, but when people just do not want to even understand, that is pretty hard to do.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@DraculHemming
Jesus and that is offensive ? well I think society really needs to rethink their priorities as a cristians my job is to tell you that the maker of heaven and earth the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end is the one and true God who took our fallen form and came to earth to die for the sins of all humanity that no other"god" has ever done that he love you so much he died for all our sins is ur choice from there
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming
No one is offended by the fact that really rich men can rape women and get away with it because they are rich and famous no one is offended by the fact that there are at least 13 million women and children been sold as sex slaves or the fact that last year Amazon published a book on how sodomise children no one is offended by the fact more and more children are left with only one parent to take care of them because is ok to sleep around with married people but say
katelling1 2 months ago
@DraculHemming
Most X-tians today won't force a Bible into anyone's face God gives free will and honors our decisions he won't force us to chose him Jehova witnesses are the ones who do that and they are not really cristians x-mas is and has been for the longest time a x-tian celebration world wide and it will stay as such with Jesus been the center of it I can be watching a show at 3 pm with my kids all of the sudden sex everywhere no one is offended by that
katelling1 2 months ago
Excellent video!
ChristiansofAsia 2 months ago
@DraculHemming
sorry but no saying I am a cristian or Merry X-mas is not offensive now if I told you to get off the computer and hit the treadmill that is offensive see the difference?
katelling1 2 months ago
@katelling1 This is true, but there are extreme cases that go too far. I told someone happy holidays and they snapped back at me going "Its 'Merry Christmas'! What are you, an atheist?" I explained that I am a Wiccan and my holiday is Yule, and they snapped on me, forcing one of those pocket bibles into my face saying I need Jesus. I told them to say what they want, but I know what's true in my heart, and it isn't in that book you wave about, then walked off as they continued to rant
DraculHemming 2 months ago
(2) I love that all faiths can come together and all celebrate this season. It's not just about Christmas, but about other Winter-centred celebrations too, such as Hanukkah, the Winter Solstice, Dōngzhì Festival, Yule, Lohri etc. There are so many Winter celebrations. I don't think it's about pushing Christianity aside, it's about including everyone being all together. Or, at least that's how I see it. I know sometimes commercialism can be grotesque, we can all sympathise with that!! bb
LadyMoonhare 2 months ago
(1) Here in Norwich, although we still have commercialised Christmas, I've seen plenty of Nativity scenes, heard plenty of carols and even seen Salvation Army brass bands playing in the high street. There's a Christian stall that frequents outside Primark (when it's not an animal charity stall - it changes over the week). Our Cathedral is very popular, there will be traditional Christmas fayres and many services over this period. I see no marginalisation here.
LadyMoonhare 2 months ago
@LadyMoonhare Check out the documentation provided here: Google: Marginalising Christians christian institute pdf (the Christmas section but the wider report too is still relevant). Bear in mind that the info from this research is gleaned mainly from secular sources as well (see endnotes of pdf).
Shazoolo 2 months ago
Hhhhhhhaaaahahahaha- I love these sites, very entertaining, thank you all.
sserddab 2 months ago
Is terrible how some people try to remove Jesus from everything without him there is nothing
katelling1 2 months ago
@katelling1 And its terrible how people try to add Jesus and offend others.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming It's terrible how those others, bullies every last one of them, pretend to be so desperately offended, as if they were weak lil' pansies and cannot possibly cope.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Meh. Its to a degree. I think some that go too far. But I do think it would be nice to see some respect to a degree.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
A true Christian doesn't care about offending the devil's feelings. All this started because too many mere nominal Christians felt pity for the devil in his whining. And now where will it end?
The first thing Jesus makes us is no fool for the devil. If you find yourself feeling sorry for a wounded devil, then check yourself, and repent.
And if you don't get that logic at all, then get saved for real and start your Christian walk all over again.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 You guys aren't offending the devil by forcing Christian basics into the holidays. You are offending non-Christians. Its funny considering Christians stole pagan traditions for their Christmas (such as a Christmas tree)
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming We aren't falling for your tricks, we can see right through you.
I'll pray for you.
Furriesarecute 2 months ago 2
@Furriesarecute you can keep your prayers. I don't need them. I am secure in my faith. Apparently however, you (along with a lot of Christians I see) aren't secure as whenever they are confronted with anything that contradicts their faith, they simply claim they're making tricks and use the common blame of sin and Satan. The only trickery comes from Christians who hide their history of bloodshed from the masses to fool them.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
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DavidTheDefender 2 months ago
All colors except neon green offend me.
RocknForJesus 2 months ago
That is insane. I am Pagan and I do not understand how people could be offended by Christmas. Yes I get the annoyance that Christians often get days of and so on for their holidays but we of different religions do not for ours, but seriously to be offended over Christmas is insane to me, I did not even know that it was not PC to say marry Christmas, though in Norway we still have the holiday named after it's Pagan roots so. Anyway PC can be good at some times, but this gets ridiculous.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 Push come to shove, though, whose side are you on? Which do you think is the ultimately better side? If it's the secularist side, then just save your pity for us Christians. We don't want it. If it's the Christian side, then declare yourself right now and start living a useful life in Christ. No seeking pats on the head from both sides! Pick which side you're on - in total and forever.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Push come to shove I am for freedom of religion. I am not not either side, nor do I have pity for Christianity. I am for respect for every life path no matter what that might be. I am not Christian, I however see no reason to be insulted by someone saying Marry Christmas, that is not pity, it is respect for another religion and for tradition. You need to stop seeing the entire world as a war, that must be very tiering for you.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 I'm bound by my religion to think in terms of spiritual warfare. This warfare is what defines our religion. There's no understanding Christianity except in those terms. And if we were operating in self, it would be tiring. But we're tapping into a Higher Power, Who sustains us in His supernatural Joy. And ... you dodged the question. Why not absolutely level with yourself? Push come to shove, are you an enemy or ally of Christ? If you'd still hedge, then just admit you're an enemy.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I did not dodge your question, I do not share your paradigm of conflict. I am not Christian and have no desire to be Christian, however I respect the Christian religion and I also respect the religion's heritage in the Western world. In your eyes I would probably be an enemy since I am pagan, luckily most Christians while they might think other religions is wrong, is more tolerant than that. I wish you well.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 True, most Christians are weak and foolish, easily intimidated and anxious for the ungodly to like them. They defer to the ungodly, and are happy to receive pats on the head from them for being good little Christians who pose no threat to the secular establishment.
And you're still dodging the question.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am not dodging any questions, I have answered you, twice, however not all of us live in the black and white world filled with war and hate that you seam to, I can not answer a question from your world view as I do not share it, I an only answer from my own. Most Christians are good, kind people who treat others with kindness and respect and that I deeply respect.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 If you were connected with Christ, you wouldn't be dodging my question.
In any case, stop flattering Christians. Become one.
The real ones aren't fooled. ... : )
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Again I have answered your questions please reread my posts, if my answers do not conform to your black/white world view that is not dodging any questions. I have no desire to be Christian, nor do I flatter Christianity, I respect the religion, along with many other religions, and I am not sure who I am supposed to fool by that. Are you so against respect towards those of different opinions that you even see others respecting your views as an insult?
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 See, you don't even know how to process my question. But it's one that Christ Himself might ask of you. It's a question that He certainly asked me. And most Christians will testify that they know how to answer it.
Now, I gather your view is that a good Christian is one who'll enable you in remaining an atheist. Failing that, he's a bad Christian. But that's to ask Christians to defer to your judgment instead of to God's, as if yours were better. In which case, you're the devil.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I am not an Atheist, I am Pagan, though I am not sure it is much point in continuing this debate, you have just called me an Atheist and the Devil in the same post so I am not so sure you know what any of the words you say mean. Now in the Western world we have freedom of religion, meaning I go my way, and you go yours. I wish you the best.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 You don't wish me the best The devil wishes only death.
Just level with yourself, in regard to what's really going on. Respecting certain Christians on your own sweet terms is no big righteous deal. And to respect them on God's terms requires a complete reordering of your worldview. And that requires accepting Christ into your heart and becoming a Christian. Those of us who know Him aren't fooled.
Push come to shove, are you on God's side or the devil's? There are only 2 choices.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 If I am the Devil, should you really be talking with me. Now think what you want, I wish you well though I do not understand how anyone can live with so much fear and hate towards anything not exactly like you. I hope you path bring you joy though I also hope more people chooses a path of respect and understanding for other people, no matter what religion they are of as your kind of fanaticism really do create so much hate in the world.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 Absolutely I should be talking to the devil - and without fear. As a practical matter, it's unavoidable in this world. And in fact Jesus did so - without fear. Nor with much civility either.
And am I really speaking in terms of hate? Or is that just a ploy you use in defending your position?
And was Jesus not a "fanatic"? - in a sense. And if He was ... are you ready to denounce Him as bad?
And aren't you a fanatic for your own self-created and self-serving identity and agenda?
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Fanatism is being so locked in your own point of view that there is no room for even respect of other opinions, open a dictionary and read the definition. Now as for Jesus, in many aspects yes He would fanatical by to day's standards, but He was also a wise and kind man who lived his life with compassion. Now yes you speak from hate, hate for everything not fitting into your world view, you even think your religion is a war.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 I think you just described yourself. You still can't fathom my question, because it makes no sense per your fanatical egalitarianism.
And now, are you able to step away from your fanatical position, and view it objectively. Look at what you're doing. You're defining even Jesus on your own terms. You're holding Him at arm's length and sizing Him up per your own self-serving values. Why not drop those terms and just experience Him? - as your God.
Then you'll get my question. : )
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 So tolerance in your world is fanatism, you have a pretty twisted view of most things it seams, including words. I do understand your question, however to me there is no either Christianity or Atheism for I am of neither, I am Pagan, I am religious but I am not Cristian, so again and again I have given you my answer, neither. And no I still have no desire to be a Christian, I am happy with my own religious path thank you.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 I invite you to redefine Christianity for us Christians, so that we may serve your interests & become good people in your eyes, as this is all that should matter to us. Meanwhile, from the Christian view, there are only 2 camps. Those who declare the Divinity of Christ. And those who deny it. The deniers can go on to sub-divide themselves. But we aren't fooled. They can't escape what they ultimately are, which is deniers of the Divinity of Christ. And that's also what the devil is.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 I have not asked you to redefine anything, but you are asking me to answer a question from a black/white world view that I do not share and saying that I am dodging the question when I point that out. That is like asking someone if they live in USA or Canada and then then saying the other person is dodging the question when they say neither, I live in Italy. You can define your religion as you please, but I do not share this view so my answer is still neither.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 What I'm asking is: Would you live in JESUS - or somewhere else? ... once you realize that there ARE only 2 places in which to live! - either in HIM or apart from Him.
And you can define Peace and Love on your terms, and then imagine a Jesus Who'd endorse your definitions. But you don't live IN Him. So what do you know about Peace and Love?
It comes down to who owns Reality - even your personal reality. Do YOU own it? No. Jesus does. And THAT is truly to understand Christianity.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Silly me I thought peace and love was living harmoniously with others and caring about them. Now as I have answered you quite a few times, I am Pagan and happy as Pagan, I have no interest in converting to Christianity, I thank you for your concern for my Spiritual wellbeing, I know it was meant well, but no thank you I am fulfilled and happy on the path I am already walking.
Venefica82 2 months ago
@Venefica82 Peace & Love are about living in Christ.
You're living in Self. That's not a good place to be. You might claim you're happy. But those of us who live in Christ know you're lying. And some of us were very good people, by almost any standard, before accepting Christ as God. After that acceptance, however, we saw what miserable fools we once had been.
Push come to shove, you would choose the side that allows you to define Reality for yourself, as if you own Reality and were God.
MyFriendLeonard1 2 months ago
@MyFriendLeonard1 Peace and love is coexisting with others, and caring for them, you can redefine the words all you want, but that is what you mean. Now I think perhaps it is time to agree to disagree and stop cluttering up the channel owner''s channel, our world views do not match, and never will. I could hold up a rock and if your priest said it was cheese you would eat it, you are completely blind to anything outside your own dogma, so this debate will lead nowhere.
Venefica82 2 months ago
Why don't they just call it HAPPY SATANMAS and get it over with.
voyagersystem 2 months ago
lol.. the last image.
thickshadesSUB 2 months ago
The first one: I don't know what the Nativity Scene is.
The second one: This is somewhat understandable depending on the carols as some reference the Christian deity. You don't really hear carols involving Pagan gods.
The third one: Makes sense for the reason you said about offending. Either say Happy Holidays, or only say your faith's holiday if you know that person shares your faith.
Last parts were kind of stupid.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
I loved the cartoon at the end. "I said sh--", "I said f---", "I said Christmas."
JamesJon1187 2 months ago
GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY!! GOOD IS CONSIDERED BAD NOW AND BAD IS CONSIDERED GOOD...YEP....ENDTIMES FOLKS!!
tjbrook88 2 months ago 2
@tjbrook88 She is helping this country.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
May we pick us the slack and witness for His glory...and pray for the Lord to send forth more laborers!!!
theist77 2 months ago
I think that political correctness is out of control
fixdeluxe1 2 months ago
In the UK, the advertisements say Christmas. Here in the US, we get this crazy politically correct mess.
drl15son 2 months ago
@drl15son I'm not so sure of that. Militant secularism is much more rampant in the UK, although for sure it's coming here. In the UK, an employer can fire you for just wearing a Cross or in some other way mentioning your belief at the workplace. And I reported recently on a British cafe owner's becoming a target of police harassment on account of a display of Bible verses on a wall.
GlobalBurden 2 months ago
@GlobalBurden Maybe I spoke to soon. I was watching a NFL football game on the internet when the ads said Christmas. Thanks for the info. From what I see as a factor in this militant secularism against Christians is the use of God by the Tea Party and the GOP. They say and do things that are anti-Christian. The non believer sees it and believes that's what being a Christian is. The wolves and goats in the Church are adding to the anger and hate of Jesus Christ.
drl15son 2 months ago
@drl15son Well, you lost me there. It's the devil who's inspiring criticism of the Tea Party in the media. Don't fall for anything the devil says.
GlobalBurden 2 months ago
@GlobalBurden Satan is the ruler of this World. He's working both sides. The Tea party and the GOP say and do things that are anti-Christ. Even if what you say is correct, a believer is not to do things that causes people to mock God. Non believers see their actions as Christian, and it causes them to mock God. The Gospel mixed with political ideals isn't the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are two kinds of people only. We who are believers according to the Scriptures and non believers.
drl15son 2 months ago
@drl15son I think I understand what you mean. And I think on some idealistic level I agree with you. But we're still to function on a practical level too. And that's where I think criticism of the Tea Party goes astray.
GlobalBurden 2 months ago
@GlobalBurden I hear what you are saying. However, these are the end times, and it will be best to do what Jesus commanded us to do. We are to spread His Gospel to the non believing World. Anyone who's not a believer are those people, and Jesus loves them also. The Tea Party say God but do those things that are Anti-Christ. There are many scriptures that warn the believer on how he should live. Out of the heart the mouth speaks. That defines who you are.
drl15son 2 months ago
That is so true. America is a Christian country, why should we have to limit our free speech just so other people can ruin our religion? Ridiculous.
Furriesarecute 2 months ago
@Furriesarecute Can I ask you something? How can you claim this is a Christian country? Christians have a habit of throwing freedom of religion around, but have the habit of it only being for their own religion. Even the First Amendment can prove it isn't a Christian country, as the first Commandmant says to have no other gods, yet the Amendment gives freedom of religion, meaning ANY religion of any God.
DraculHemming 2 months ago
@DraculHemming The founding fathers were Christian. Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments. How isn't this a Christian country?
God has been taken out of the classrooms and for what? School shootings? A rise in teen pregnancy? Immorality along with the teaching that homosexuality is somehow normal?
It is about time that people take a good long look at where our country started and how we managed to stray so far from the truth.
Furriesarecute 2 months ago
@Furriesarecute Actually, the founding fathers, as I've learned, were freemasons, not Christians. If you read my example, you'd see that our laws are not based on the Ten Commandments. The First Amendment is proof of that.
The Christian God has been taken out of the classroom to prevent lawsuits. Homosexuality is more normal than some of the bigotry I've seen present in the bible.
If you wanna know how we stayed so far from the truth, look at Christians who forced religion.
DraculHemming 2 months ago