Tatoi Royal Estate (Greek royal family πρωην βασιλικο ανακτορο)

[tatoipalace]

You may not believe this BUT I swear it is absolutly true

I am 55 yrs 0ld and until 5 years ago I use to have a dream about a large old 2 story house and I would stand at the left side corner of a( wire, wrought iron or something like that) fence peering through wanting to get in ,looking at the overgrown mess. . I also know what it was inside . I am pretty sure I was a Child??? I accidently saw the Tatoi Palace on a documertry 5yrs ago and I still cant believe that this is the place I saw

[tassos73]

θα μπορούσε αυτός όλος ο χώρος να εκμεταλλευτεί απίστευτα!!! και να αποφέρει τρελά κέρδη...

αλλά προς το παρόν μας τα μασάει ο πάγκαλος και η συμμορία όλη...

φτιάχνοντας απο 50 παλάτια ο καθένας για πάρτη τους

[halandreos79]

den pisteuo ston vasilia....mono sthn istoria aytou tou mneimiou

[lfdh78]

I am just sad that we left all those things rot away and now we have to pay a great deal of money to restore them.

[spyrcon1000]

1000****************** ΕΥΓΕ ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ. Η ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΟΜΩΣ, ΟΠΩΣ ΓΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΕΥΡΥΤΑΤΑ ΑΠΟΔΕΚΤΟ ΕΠΑΝΑΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΤΑΙ.

Κ Ω Ν Σ Τ Α Ν Τ Ι Ν Ο Σ

[0805christopher]

I was at Tatoi today

Awesome and spooky

What a beautiful place and a sad story

Thanks for posting

[tzanabetys]

15musiclife > I received a message in my YouTube message box that someone responded to one of my comments in this forum, but I can not find the comment. Have you removed it?

[klearchosklearchou]

Νομίζω ήταν απο το τραβέλι τη Σουρδάκη που το παίζει ζωντοχήρα Κοπενγχάγης. Δέν έχασες και τίποτα - μόνο αυτή μπορεί να διαβάσει και να καταλάβει τί γράφει. Τσίριζε κάτι: Σαν τραβεστύ που του τράβηξαν την περούκα στην Ομόνοια. Τήν κάνανε spam και πήγε καπνός.

[tanjatanya]

T - if you click on any of the links labelled "Comments marked as spam" you may find the response to your comment. If you don't find it, try another link. There are quite a few.

[tzanabetys]

Φουκαριάρα Σουδάκη - Μιλάς για "τέχνη"! Το γράφειν είναι τέχνη. Και 'συ δέν μπορείς ούτε να γράψεις με Ελληνικούς χαρακτήρες. Διαβάζουν τα σχόλια σου και οι Δανέζοι (ο Κόκος και η παλάβρα) και στεναχωριούνται.

[klearchosklearchou]

@ ... skatospita ...

Μήπως μιλάς για το σπίτι όπου γεννήθηκες?

[tzanabetys]

Μάλλον μιλά για σπίτια σαν εκείνα που δούλευε η μάνα του!

[klearchosklearchou]

Δηλαδή όπως είπα: Μιλά όπως άκουγε να μιλούν στη μάνα του στο ίδρυμα που τον γέννησε - και συνεχίζει να μας το επιβεβαιώνει στη γραφική γλώσσα του οίκου. Ρεζίλι τον έκαναν τον Ντεγκρέτσια - τρομάρα τους. Η τελευταία του ελπίς.

[tzanabetys]

Για βάστα ρε Σουδάκη - Αρχιτεκτονικό αριστούργημα? Στη χώρα του παρθενώνα?

[raptor2237]

τον βασιλιά τον πήρε ο διάολος

[xxZaharoulaxx]

To Palati tis Anna Maria's kai COCO !!

[sylviaphryne]

frifrino - @ Your comments on the former Prime Minister's widow being paid a government pension.

I do not know whether this is the case. But does the government not pay a pension to the widow of the former dictator Papadopoulos who was put in prison for high treason?

[sylviaphryne]

frifrino:- You seem to equate rejecting monarchy with denial of history.

Greeks denying their history? It is their awareness of who they are and where they come from that shaped their national identity. Can you think of another nation that managed to liberate itself after four centuries of foreign occupation? That coud never be achieved without a strong sense of history and belonging. Could it be that you need to consider that what is good for one country is not good for another?

[marius4marius]

Frifino - Today we use the scientific approach to history.

History = inquiry of events that happened - not events that would have happened or should have happened.

We do not know if Greece would have had the same fate as Bulgaria or Rumania. We are neither Bulgarians nor Romanians. Our national character is not unique but it is certainly different to theirs. As early as Bronze Age we proved to be extremely individualistic and remained so even after we chose democracy as a form of government.

[marius4marius]

Hello Frifino - You made a number of references to "history" in these forums and that Greeks are trying to deny their history. Greek history is vast and very well documented. This family is part of only a tiny bit of our history. They hardly lived on Greek soil - approximately 89 years three generations of them including the short period of De Grecia. Your issue with "corrupt" politicans is a different matter. There are corrupt politicians everywhere - e.g. see recent expences scandal in GB.

[ingridoctavia]

I also saw myself old women kneeling at Moscow Square, Bayswater, London, as the family were going inside the Church of St Sophia. They were crossing themselves praying to God to bless the family.

Is this love, respect, or just mindless worship?

If they are so much loved in Greece then how come they were democratically voted out?

[tzanabetys]

fifino - Re: "... that beloved family ..."

What beloved family, ρε καραγκιόζη?

Beloved to whom? To a bunch of serpentish ruffians and collaborators? There are still, to this day, Italian and German geriatrics who speak about the beloved Duce and Führer, still deluding themselves that others share their sick ideas.

Re: "respect" to history: The Turkish invasion of Cyprus is part of our history too. We regret it as a national disaster, in the same way we regret the Glücksburgs.

[klearchosklearchou]

From this end he does not seem bitter; but you most certainly sound insensitive. As though it is his fault that his grandparents' property was taken over by the Turks and given to Israeli developers.

Furthermore you call him a traitor to his people and family. He was not even around when the Turks killed in cold blood almost the whole staff of his grandfather's estate as well as many members of his family.

You seem to possess the humanity and reasoning of an eathworm.

[tanjatanya]

This confirms that you are sadly out of date! The issue of Israeli developers in Northerm Cyprus has even reached international press, and had been the subject of numerous TV documentaries in the West.

I don't see any useful purpose being served by pursuing this argument further.

[tanjatanya]

The facts of the young lady couldn't be more right. However, your rudeness and irreverence you show towards someone who suffered losses as a result of the Glücksburgs' recklessness suggests that you are not here for a civilized debate but to express animosity towards people at randomn. You began by calling someone a traitor because he does not approve with Israelis running his family estate, and then you pretend to assume that a young lady is a "little Greek boy" not knowing his facts.

[dagmar1991]

But Mr Romios, could you have misunderstood Epameinondas' comment perhaps?

Wasn't Ephialtes the Greek who gave information to the Persians for financial reward in Herodotus?

I fail to see how a Greek whose estate was forcefully taken over by the Turks during the invasion of Cyprus could be a "traitor" - especially when the loss he suffered was the result of Mr DeGrecia's eagerness to satisfy foreign interests in order to keep hold of his job

[tanjatanya]

Dagmar, I wouldn't bother to grace him with a response. He doen't seem to have read anything that came out after 1974 and appears to be happy like that. At any rate he is not here for a debate but to speak in a way he can't in the real world. So, don't nourish his insecurities further by responding.

[lykauges]

You, on the other hand, seem to have chosen the right screen name. This is what the Eastern Romans (who were not Romans) reduced the Greeks who conformed to call themselves.

E speaks about his estate in Kyrenia which, like the rest of Cyprus, was left undefended after the Glücksburg instigated the removal of the armed force that was put in Cyprus by Papandreou, anticipating a Turkish invasion. The exercise was eventually completed by the junta and the Glücksburg got his 30 silver pieces!

[euridike88]

Oh! How very distressing for Mr DeGrecia's sister!

[euridike88]

Miguello, you obviously move in circles where the two words in question are used interchangeably in a manner that it is approved of according to the need of the moment.

None of the critics of the hated Glücksburg family, at least in this forum, approves of the state of disrepair this building has been allowed to fall into - although there was a period of uncertainty as to its fate owing to problems created by its last occupant.

As suggested earlier, why not convert it in to a Sanatorium?

[epameinondas13]

@ What if all colonial countries had done the same once they were freed?

Former colonies by the time they managed to gain their independence they have almost been bled to death. Therefore, they can not afford to get rid of buildings used by those who suppressed them. However, in Athens after the liberation we did just that. We demolished the Turkish Governor's residence on the Acropolis as well as the mosque incorporated into the Parthenon buildings - see old pictures.

[epameinondas13]

1. I leave, any form of babling to bablers and you sound ideal for the task.

2. The Turks practically paraded though the estate which belonged to my family, and took it over, as a result of the criminal recklessness ot the human trash that once used to inhabit this building you so much admire. Our estate was more beautiful, bigger, older, and more democratically built and managed. More people's livelihood depended on it than what on this eyesore that served to house a bunch of drones.

[Jame243]

erpaminondas13 I am sorry! You had a beautiful estate that the Turks took over and you lost it. Do not worry my good friend! I love Cyprus and the Cypriots.

I am going to see that some day you take it back. I am not kidding! See what your good Greek friend from Athens will do for you! I am a Magician! Anything that I think and desire comes to Reality!

So wait and see! I promise you!

Cheers!!!

[hostilia08]

You foreigners don't know what you are talking about. U have no idea what transpired in our country under the regime of that evil system called monarchy. Are we suppose to feel sorry for Sophia because her ancestral home was left to decay because of legal entanglements? If the Greek government at the time did not lack the spine they would have nationalize the lot in the name of the nation and that would have put an end to the whole contention.

[epameinondas13]

So, Sophia left the place with a broken heart! Goodness! We don't want that do we?

Regarding Jesus being disheartened, as the good Christian you appear to be, you ought to be aware that Jesus put human lives before material possessions. Having being executed himself for his beliefs he would have disapproved of this family's excesses and systematic elimination of their critics. Jesus would have been appalled by the murder of Dr Lambrakis, the renowned philanthropist and pacifist.

[hostilia08]

I agree with the comment that the building - although not a particularly outstanding in design - should not have been allowed to turn into a ruin. However, let us now forget that it was viewed perhaps as a symbol of repression. At least the Greek citizens did not burn it down like the communards did in France when they burned down the Tuilleries and destroyed many other public edifices they viewed as symbols of repression.

[hostilia08]

Correction: 2nd line: let us not forget

[epameinondas13]

Excellent! After all it is the residence of the hated family where the endorsement of so many executions of political prisoners were signed.

Why not convert it into a sanatorium. We have enough museums already!

[epameinondas13]

15musiclife, The video shows a building which has been, irresponsibly, allowed to fall in a state of disrepair. It is not a beautiful building, although impressive on Greek standards. However, as most old buildings it ought to be preserved by the Local Authority.

What is exactly your message? That we should recall the Danish/Germans who used to live in it?

The Greek people have democratically decided that their services were not required any more. Most people wish them well considering ...

[15musiclife]

I don't want to show disgracing to the place I just wanted to make an artistic video.Sorry if I made you understand wrong things about the purpose of this video. As I far as I know the place is planing to be a museum in 2012.

[jjgreek1]

@epameinondas13 they weren't really "Danish/Germans" but direct decendents of the Greek Byzantines, like most European royalty. For example, King Otto (according to Wikepedia): Otto was a descendant of the Greek imperial dynasties of Comnenus and Lascaris.