Drone up then SPAM 'N WIN baby! sssd, sv, sssssr. I'm playing with just my left hand! Look at my mad macro skillz! Awww, I lost? TOSS IMBA! What?! Zerg has been stupidly FAVORED for the last SEVEN months? LIES!
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Same ignorant trolls roaming. Every race can be belittled into nothing. Grow up, learn the game & appreciate the players NOT THE RACE!
@Trolljegren turn off the computer go out side get a life nobody cares what you think. everyone will still post zerg are underpowered over and over and over and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it
@oSUBZ3ROo People keep saying this . . . like it's something new. Or an entire thought. It isn't. The proper thing to say is "There needs to be a big fat nerf to Forcefield and then substantial buffs to Protoss Tier 1/1.5/2 in order to compensate for the fact that they no longer have the crutch that was once used to justify their weak-ass early units."
That was . . . tough to watch.I love MC and Protoss and generally dislike Idra- but this . . . this was really hard. I'm sitting here, racking my brain on what Idra could have done differently to counter this strategy. I'm having a tough time thinking of anything. That was brutally effective. Perhaps if Idra had not tried to expand after the bust and instead kept pressing his tech and offensive maybe? I don't know. I'd like to see more games with different Zergs fighting this tactic.
@MrRobotClouds I know that feel bro, but I also think Idra was trying to compensate for that failed bust by using his third expansion; I would had stuck to my first two and tried to rebuild from that but then again I'm not much of a pro at SC2.
@Beowul7 It could definitely be a case of Idra mis-reading or simply making the wrong gamble. He tends to have a very strict sequence of actions that he takes and rarely veers from it- which is his biggest weakness as a pro player. He doesn't adapt or takes far to long to. Which is why I'd like to see many other games where MC uses this tactic and see how Idra, or other (far better) Zerg players respond. That way we can see if it was a fluke or a genuinely broken strategy.
@MrRobotClouds I like having an intelligent discussion, thanks for that. Also, I believe I'd have to see more games with IdrA on 'em, but I take it from your reply that he uses that same strategy over and over again... how about MC, does he often go for rushes?
@kenishshshsish btw lol at "oh I'm diamond I know everything'!!!!" theres a difference between being unprepared. And being incapable of defending yourself. Yes idea was behind and didn't have mutes (which are terrible head on btw) but besides mutes (weak head on), ultras (enough said), or burrow (void ray rape?) he couldn't do a thing....if you're so pro tell this diamond player whats the counter to this. I haven't seen it all to much, but it's annoying as hell when you do.
@snipa120 scout it, 2 queens focus WP. Simple as that there are positions that you can get into that are impossible to get out of in the pro level, which is why Idra has a tendency to leave games early. I'm not saying I'm at the highest caliber I'm saying that you can't complain because other people lose to a strat that you've never delt with, you've never had a player like MC do this to you you have no idea how hard it is to stop, so don't act like you do.
@PoppieXL im not thats wat made isra isra nows hes just another pro...i want rage and bm...be sides if i had to play sc2 all day and lose to something like this i would alt f4 that crap
the baneling bust wasn't horrible he managed to kill 2 cannons and decent amount of probes, I'd say worth it seeing as how non cost effective Zerg units are, especially banelings they are built to die
@Ry8901 whether he killed so many workers or not is almost useless, whats the point of messing your oppopents econ up if u have to shoot yourself in the foot to do it?
@Licence2KO yeah forcefield is pretty lame, oh but ultralisks counter them! -_- i think queens should be massive units to break ff blocking ramps for free expo snipes, that way they would still be just as good when used defensively and not so ridiculous when putting on aggression
Massive queens... that is actually a freggin amazing idea! Can't be lifted by Pheonix, can trample force fields!
I think they may have to justify by making queens just a touch weaker, so the stargate or main harass with warp prism play is still viable for toss (they need it), but being able to deny the annoying FF tactic would be amazing!
I love that idea, and I'm mostly a Toss player (I random sometimes =] ).
lets be honest.... thats like impossible to defend early - mid game. and you lose your whole entire main base, which usually includes the majority of your tech. that seems.... umm.. how do i say this.. OP
Actually force, that baneling bust did a lot of damage as it killed like 8 probes. Idra wanted that 3rd because he knows that MC will proly have to resaturate, buying him more time.
Hey, here's an idea, how about all you noobs stop complaining about a build you've probably lost to at most 2 or 3 times and practice to get out of gold league hmm? If you're not at the highest caliber of play obviously things won't be balanced so quit your bitching and learn to play before you call OP. Btw by highest caliber I mean top masters or GM so don't be all herp derp I'm diamond so I know what I'm talking about.
are there really comments about forcefields being overpowered when it all stemmed from a failed baneling bust? Why not take a lesson from Leenock and do a roach timing if you scout a FFE?
Please use income tab instead of income bar thingie because it's easier for us to figure out who's ahead from the worker count ... You don't show the worker count this game after the first engagements and I find that the most important.
@SirGecko01 He GG'd because it was at a tournament. It's expected by the Host of the tournament. Watch every IDRA video from MLG. He always GG's. Watch any non tournament IDRA replay. He doesn't GG.
I may be horribly wrong, but wasnt the main reason the 4 sentry warp prism play was so effect was due to idras rush being a bust towards teh begining? I would have thought that that would have set him behind enough for MC to make the call for a stargate and robo? Please correct me if im wrong.
@Vegeta101691 No.. even if IDRA never did that. How would he stop that play? That rush at the beginning may have slowed him down a little.. but he was on three base with tons of tech. What could he have done even if he didn't try the baneling bust?
@ProtocolGW Better Micro? LOL.. what's there to micro except.. derp.. forcefield.. derp.. another forcefield. Derp.. another forcefield. That's super MICRO!
@PesarTarofi You know, i used to be like you, getting made when someone commented spoiling the game, but in the end, it was your fault for reading it before watching.
@HachuraAMV Overlord scouts? How exactly is he going to have an overlord scout when there are phoenix and voidray's shooting them down? One spine? You might play zerg but it's at a bronze level. How is one spine in the mineral line gonna stop a warp prism unloading and immediately forcefielding the ramp? Terran drops don't block off entire zerg armies from coming into the base. 4 sentries can do unlimited forcefields on the ramp.
@19961125 2 Queens that get lifted by the phoenix and focused down by the voidrays and the sentries. 2 queens don't take down a warp prism in two seconds.
@triolakenneth scout? With what? The voidrays and phoenix clear the entire field to allow the warp prism a straight path to the zerg main. Overlord positioning is impossible because of the stargate units. Did you even watch the game or just comment on the video?
@bubba18sar i watched the game. he didnt creep spread through his base to drop down the whole area. Zergs are starting to that now. if he droped more spines or spores he would of had a better chance of saving his overloards. he didnt react strong enough and it costed him the game. there is always a counter to a biuld or strategy. he could of made queens simotaniously spreaded creep like craze and leave 3 to 4 queens on the edges of his base.
@mrtigerman4ever You keep overlords at the edges of your base so you can see it coming, then try getting all your queens in your mains before he FF and focus the warp prism with your queens (sentries does no damage at all to queens) and try to kill it before he warp in too much stuff. Then, use all your larvaes from your main to rally units and clean the rest. Might be good to sometimes get a macro hatch in the main instead of outside. Hope this helps :)
@mrtigerman4ever check out one of Psy game play of himself, he had a macro-hatch in base and two queens, he target the warp prism with the queens so toss cant wrap in, check it out then :D
@TomTep118 That was totally different. First off Psy wasn't playing MC. Secondly Psy wasn't being harassed with Voidrays and Phoenix prior to this happening. So he had overlords placed all around. With the phoenix and Voidray there they can just lift the queen or queens so they can't even attack. .
@bubba18sar sure that wasnt MC, but this was delayed warp prism sentry since MC invested a lot to air harass, i think it all depend on zerg scouting, if the harass is early like TT1 style queens and lings in base would help, just my opinion tho
@mrtigerman4ever scout the WP then get into position to be able to focus it with queens. It's like any all in, if you can scout it it's easy to stop if not then it can be gg.
@Kenishishi7 How do you propose IDRA scouted the warp prism? Zero map control with the voidrays and phoenix out. Please tell me after watching the game how IDRA could have scouted the warp prism coming.
lol mc is significantly ahead at 5:00?? man your hate for idra realllllllllllllly showing. minerals lost equal, idra loses lings/blings at the same ratio as mc's probes, and idra is behind. riiight.. . . . .
@iouzip4 ff dosen't have to be researched and its tear 1, and that isn't the only thing protos has, they have stalkers, they're faster then any tear one unit with no research... no ground unit in the game can do anything to get around the ff other then tear 3 massive or drops
They do not need to do anything, you can use nydus, overlord drops, burrowing, etc to get past forcefields. Lots of ways for zerg to escape it if they prep for it.
@anthonydistel If they prep for it? So Zerg has to prepare for a possible 6 gate attack and make plenty of units.. then they have to prepare for Stargate play and make tons of spors and Queens. How are they supposed to prepare for it. They see robo they don't know if it's immortals, observers, or warp prism. How are they supposed to scout for it when the voidrays and phoenix are clearing all the overlords from the map? So you are saying they should prep for this one strategy every game?
@Kenishishi7 So if all three races have the same problem it's broken right? Tell me again how IDRA could have scouted for it? Overlords die with voidrays and phoenix on the field killing them all and limited them to being over the zerg base. How do you scout that. Watch the game again and tell me how IDRA could have scouted that coming. The purpose of the stargate play is to get map control and give a clear flight path to the zerg base with the warp prism.
@bubba18sar ... Idra tried a baneling bust and was way behind in tech, you can't judge the balance of the game as a whole in one specific example. the WP came around 12 min mark which would be more than enough time to get mutas if he didn't try a baneling bust. You can say that any all in is unscoutable in certain situations. Are you high masters? If not then you can't say something is unbeatable, if you asked Idra he wouldn't say it's unstoppable so why do you?
@gbrlim scout it, 2 queens focus WP. Simple as that there are positions that you can get into that are impossible to get out of in the pro level, which is why Idra has a tendency to leave games early. I'm not saying I'm at the highest caliber I'm saying that you can't complain because other people lose to a strat that you've never delt with, you've never had a player like MC do this to you you have no idea how hard it is to stop, so don't act like you do.
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TheTrueBlueBrizze 1 week ago
force fields need to get removed from the game
foxclown 1 week ago
toss imba..only logical explanation
str8shot2020 3 weeks ago
force field op
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lechihuahua1 1 month ago
Idra should know that you cant go baneling bust into macro game, he needed to stay on 2 base until he had queens/spores then expo behind roach hydra.
Idra has mastered his style, yet he goes against it here and lost badly.
Last two games vs MC, Idra was the first to attack and look what it got him...
bpm9595 1 month ago
Zerg really needs a better way to get rid of force fields...That is just fucking stupid and frustrating
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IslerWhitehurst422 1 month ago
That was intense
xshymex 1 month ago
lol, butt rape.
lovedamoney09 2 months ago
wow...i have separate email for this...check it, and then realize I started a hugee debate. Oh well. I guess the best answer was...ULTRALISK RUSH!
mrtigerman4ever 2 months ago
OP Rubbish no skill RACE!!!
zhemin 2 months ago
Drone up then SPAM 'N WIN baby! sssd, sv, sssssr. I'm playing with just my left hand! Look at my mad macro skillz! Awww, I lost? TOSS IMBA! What?! Zerg has been stupidly FAVORED for the last SEVEN months? LIES!
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Same ignorant trolls roaming. Every race can be belittled into nothing. Grow up, learn the game & appreciate the players NOT THE RACE!
Trolljegren 2 months ago 6
@Trolljegren turn off the computer go out side get a life nobody cares what you think. everyone will still post zerg are underpowered over and over and over and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it
wesker723 2 months ago
This is not gg this is race abuse
Antontoo 2 months ago
Prot is obviously imba
Antontoo 2 months ago
@Antontoo u cant beat protoss unless you are protoss or terran.
ThePsionicMatrixTM 1 month ago
funny how protoss players are using warp prisms more now. whitera and nexsickness were doing this ages ago.
bawokoroma 2 months ago
nice job by MC
TheNithinification 2 months ago
the series didnt go his way but good try idra
bboykenex 2 months ago
only force would get distracted by a ram walking across creep
InternetSandman 2 months ago 22
Godly micro !! Thumbs for Droids and thumbs for Trones.
GTeaO 2 months ago
ff pretty dam hard to beat if they are keeping you out
jlmknight 2 months ago
Toss is OP with FF.... There needs to be a fat nerf on FF
oSUBZ3ROo 2 months ago
@oSUBZ3ROo People keep saying this . . . like it's something new. Or an entire thought. It isn't. The proper thing to say is "There needs to be a big fat nerf to Forcefield and then substantial buffs to Protoss Tier 1/1.5/2 in order to compensate for the fact that they no longer have the crutch that was once used to justify their weak-ass early units."
MrRobotClouds 2 months ago
That was . . . tough to watch.I love MC and Protoss and generally dislike Idra- but this . . . this was really hard. I'm sitting here, racking my brain on what Idra could have done differently to counter this strategy. I'm having a tough time thinking of anything. That was brutally effective. Perhaps if Idra had not tried to expand after the bust and instead kept pressing his tech and offensive maybe? I don't know. I'd like to see more games with different Zergs fighting this tactic.
MrRobotClouds 2 months ago
@MrRobotClouds I know that feel bro, but I also think Idra was trying to compensate for that failed bust by using his third expansion; I would had stuck to my first two and tried to rebuild from that but then again I'm not much of a pro at SC2.
Beowul7 2 months ago
@Beowul7 It could definitely be a case of Idra mis-reading or simply making the wrong gamble. He tends to have a very strict sequence of actions that he takes and rarely veers from it- which is his biggest weakness as a pro player. He doesn't adapt or takes far to long to. Which is why I'd like to see many other games where MC uses this tactic and see how Idra, or other (far better) Zerg players respond. That way we can see if it was a fluke or a genuinely broken strategy.
MrRobotClouds 2 months ago
@MrRobotClouds I like having an intelligent discussion, thanks for that. Also, I believe I'd have to see more games with IdrA on 'em, but I take it from your reply that he uses that same strategy over and over again... how about MC, does he often go for rushes?
Beowul7 2 months ago
Idra* sorry iPad typo fail
snipa120 2 months ago
@kenishshshsish btw lol at "oh I'm diamond I know everything'!!!!" theres a difference between being unprepared. And being incapable of defending yourself. Yes idea was behind and didn't have mutes (which are terrible head on btw) but besides mutes (weak head on), ultras (enough said), or burrow (void ray rape?) he couldn't do a thing....if you're so pro tell this diamond player whats the counter to this. I haven't seen it all to much, but it's annoying as hell when you do.
snipa120 2 months ago
@snipa120 scout it, 2 queens focus WP. Simple as that there are positions that you can get into that are impossible to get out of in the pro level, which is why Idra has a tendency to leave games early. I'm not saying I'm at the highest caliber I'm saying that you can't complain because other people lose to a strat that you've never delt with, you've never had a player like MC do this to you you have no idea how hard it is to stop, so don't act like you do.
Kenishishi7 2 months ago
LMFAO IDRA!!!
ThePeRuAno18 2 months ago
try spamming your fucking roaches now
massdestruction97 2 months ago
Ram of Death!
Good081 2 months ago
mc definitely likes towerdefense games XD
SaleXchannel 2 months ago
around 6:00 AHAHAHAH the RAM
AHAHAHAHHA
thats idra :D
Amomentforever 2 months ago
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Amomentforever 2 months ago
I'm so glad to see that Idra has change is way and became a more friendly gamer
PoppieXL 2 months ago
@PoppieXL im not thats wat made isra isra nows hes just another pro...i want rage and bm...be sides if i had to play sc2 all day and lose to something like this i would alt f4 that crap
evilspongebob99 2 months ago
ouch. That was painful to watch :/
Warphaker 2 months ago
Warprisms OP
Rurike 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
@Rurike This is the infinite forcefield on the ramp that makes the warprism OP. It is not OP by itself ;)
nosfe333 2 months ago
the baneling bust wasn't horrible he managed to kill 2 cannons and decent amount of probes, I'd say worth it seeing as how non cost effective Zerg units are, especially banelings they are built to die
therealinus 2 months ago
That baneling bust wasn't a fail, he killed so many workers, portraying the game with Idra as the underdog annoyed me sooo bad
Ry8901 2 months ago
@Ry8901 whether he killed so many workers or not is almost useless, whats the point of messing your oppopents econ up if u have to shoot yourself in the foot to do it?
Nauporu117 2 months ago
stop filling the comments with stupid no spoiler crap. Just dont read the comments... have a little self control.
marcuskinderful 2 months ago
Forcefield for spoilers
ziribai 2 months ago
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DietLemonlime7up 2 months ago
dru...dro....droi....DRONES!!!!
StfuSiriusly 2 months ago
No! Why are you down in the comments this far? They're evil, evil people! SCROLL UP WHILE YOU CAN!
Phrog64 2 months ago
Fucking Forcefield so stupid
Licence2KO 2 months ago
@Licence2KO yeah forcefield is pretty lame, oh but ultralisks counter them! -_- i think queens should be massive units to break ff blocking ramps for free expo snipes, that way they would still be just as good when used defensively and not so ridiculous when putting on aggression
AcidBugler 2 months ago
@AcidBugler : Ultralisks are extremely late Hive tech, and cost a billion resources and supply. Force Fields are in the game from 3:00 on.
If the bases are stacked, or "layered" then Zerg auto-lose to Protoss because of stupid Force Fields.
whutbrush 2 months ago
@whutbrush re read what i said... the ultralisk part was sarcasm. which is why i said they should make queens massive...
AcidBugler 2 months ago
@AcidBugler
Massive queens... that is actually a freggin amazing idea! Can't be lifted by Pheonix, can trample force fields!
I think they may have to justify by making queens just a touch weaker, so the stargate or main harass with warp prism play is still viable for toss (they need it), but being able to deny the annoying FF tactic would be amazing!
I love that idea, and I'm mostly a Toss player (I random sometimes =] ).
MadBagGamer 2 months ago
lets be honest.... thats like impossible to defend early - mid game. and you lose your whole entire main base, which usually includes the majority of your tech. that seems.... umm.. how do i say this.. OP
Legend8520 2 months ago
Oh look roaches, hang on lemme hit my win key... fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Hydrosion61 2 months ago 2
Well played by MC.
TheSalacommander 2 months ago
That was so unbelievably brutal.
frontline989 2 months ago
@frontline989 this is pretty much what I deal with in ladder... its pretty bad and its hard to get it off
MrNeyus 2 months ago
Question, if you burrow some lings along the length of your ramp, can it still be forcefielded by the sentries?
moobypobLdingo 2 months ago
@moobypobLdingo yes
AcidBugler 2 months ago
Any game Idra loses is a good game. GG.
TheRaekus 2 months ago
Actually force, that baneling bust did a lot of damage as it killed like 8 probes. Idra wanted that 3rd because he knows that MC will proly have to resaturate, buying him more time.
BillYiOn1 2 months ago
Hey, here's an idea, how about all you noobs stop complaining about a build you've probably lost to at most 2 or 3 times and practice to get out of gold league hmm? If you're not at the highest caliber of play obviously things won't be balanced so quit your bitching and learn to play before you call OP. Btw by highest caliber I mean top masters or GM so don't be all herp derp I'm diamond so I know what I'm talking about.
Kenishishi7 2 months ago
are there really comments about forcefields being overpowered when it all stemmed from a failed baneling bust? Why not take a lesson from Leenock and do a roach timing if you scout a FFE?
day2485 2 months ago
he always manages too make Idra look like a Average Noob
Gue07 2 months ago
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JeffWatersRules 2 months ago 26
I wonder if the meta game will evolve with zerg getting burrow faster to prevent this. There is usually no observer.
xeridea 2 months ago
OMFG IDRA SAID GG
jonluispena 2 months ago
That's kinda Imba...
Menega007 2 months ago
just get vent sacs or a nydus
HJstarcraft 2 months ago
Forcefields should be destructable!!!!!!!
pedroluizb 2 months ago
@pedroluizb completly agree
horamerda2 2 months ago
Please use income tab instead of income bar thingie because it's easier for us to figure out who's ahead from the worker count ... You don't show the worker count this game after the first engagements and I find that the most important.
ThuNd33r 2 months ago
hey zerg is overpowered!!!! lol
Champignon1000 2 months ago
@centercity1 i'd love to see you counter something like a 2rax with pure stalker.
iouzip4 2 months ago
I want to see late reaper
Aznblack0ps 2 months ago
I'm a diamond zerg and I have literally no idea how it would be possible to stop this.
Gyozomroka 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
Frustrating for Idra, Im surprised he GG'ed.
SirGecko01 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
@SirGecko01 Yes he did not even say f**k you!
GP03Dendribum 2 months ago
@SirGecko01 He GG'd because it was at a tournament. It's expected by the Host of the tournament. Watch every IDRA video from MLG. He always GG's. Watch any non tournament IDRA replay. He doesn't GG.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
I may be horribly wrong, but wasnt the main reason the 4 sentry warp prism play was so effect was due to idras rush being a bust towards teh begining? I would have thought that that would have set him behind enough for MC to make the call for a stargate and robo? Please correct me if im wrong.
Vegeta101691 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
@Vegeta101691 No.. even if IDRA never did that. How would he stop that play? That rush at the beginning may have slowed him down a little.. but he was on three base with tons of tech. What could he have done even if he didn't try the baneling bust?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
Idra my idol zergy u got owned :(
Mrwhitefang22 2 months ago
Don't you cheese me
or I won't gg ♪♪
srsupa 2 months ago
MC outplayed Idra, better Micro and decision making :( poor Idra
ProtocolGW 2 months ago
@ProtocolGW Better Micro? LOL.. what's there to micro except.. derp.. forcefield.. derp.. another forcefield. Derp.. another forcefield. That's super MICRO!
bubba18sar 2 months ago
haha, MC is a dick
jamiestoehr 2 months ago
im sure i would have done a lot better baneling rush than idra.. he should have waited to have more lings and banelings, jeez, he plays like a noob
vladamirrrr 2 months ago
@vladamirrrr thanks for spoiling the game for me
PesarTarofi 2 months ago
@PesarTarofi np, a tip: don't read comments if you dont want your game to be spoiled
vladamirrrr 2 months ago
@PesarTarofi You know, i used to be like you, getting made when someone commented spoiling the game, but in the end, it was your fault for reading it before watching.
horamerda2 2 months ago
Lol at the Idrones. I don't know why people support a guy that rages at every cheese possible,even the ones he see's coming.
TheFriskyIanReturned 2 months ago
forcefields are so broken its absurd. Anybody want to say I'm bitching? Ok, tell me how to stop the 4 sentry warp prism play. I play zerg btw.
mrtigerman4ever 2 months ago 11
@mrtigerman4ever ti would be more balanced if zerg's queen were considered massive
I play zerg too
Maxamix2 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever same way you stop terran drops. Plenty of overlord scouts around your base and maybe one spine at each min line =] I also play zerg
HachuraAMV 2 months ago
@HachuraAMV Overlord scouts? How exactly is he going to have an overlord scout when there are phoenix and voidray's shooting them down? One spine? You might play zerg but it's at a bronze level. How is one spine in the mineral line gonna stop a warp prism unloading and immediately forcefielding the ramp? Terran drops don't block off entire zerg armies from coming into the base. 4 sentries can do unlimited forcefields on the ramp.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever One spine crawler?
SirGecko01 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
@SirGecko01 one spine is not going to stop that... not even close
Gyozomroka 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@mrtigerman4ever just macro hatch in ur main and u will have 2 queens to chase the warp prism and notice it faster!?
19961125 2 months ago
@19961125 2 Queens that get lifted by the phoenix and focused down by the voidrays and the sentries. 2 queens don't take down a warp prism in two seconds.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever umm.. scout? overloard positioning? possible?
triolakenneth 2 months ago
@triolakenneth scout? With what? The voidrays and phoenix clear the entire field to allow the warp prism a straight path to the zerg main. Overlord positioning is impossible because of the stargate units. Did you even watch the game or just comment on the video?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar i watched the game. he didnt creep spread through his base to drop down the whole area. Zergs are starting to that now. if he droped more spines or spores he would of had a better chance of saving his overloards. he didnt react strong enough and it costed him the game. there is always a counter to a biuld or strategy. he could of made queens simotaniously spreaded creep like craze and leave 3 to 4 queens on the edges of his base.
triolakenneth 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever Forcefields is not borken but the warp prism drop thingyt is kinda broken, i play zerg aswell
kungensimon 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever Queens focus the warp prism. Then worry about sentries.
SilverCrownSpy 2 months ago
@SilverCrownSpy The Queens can't focus the warp prism when they are being lifted by the phoenix and killed by the voidrays.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever overlords can pik up units idiot.
blurXbox360 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever put units on ur ramp herp derp
muichiz1 2 months ago
@muichiz1 That doesn't prevent forcefields.. HERP
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@muichiz1 cause that stops forcefields...DUMBASS
mrtigerman4ever 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever You keep overlords at the edges of your base so you can see it coming, then try getting all your queens in your mains before he FF and focus the warp prism with your queens (sentries does no damage at all to queens) and try to kill it before he warp in too much stuff. Then, use all your larvaes from your main to rally units and clean the rest. Might be good to sometimes get a macro hatch in the main instead of outside. Hope this helps :)
adavidcompo 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever check out one of Psy game play of himself, he had a macro-hatch in base and two queens, he target the warp prism with the queens so toss cant wrap in, check it out then :D
TomTep118 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@TomTep118 That was totally different. First off Psy wasn't playing MC. Secondly Psy wasn't being harassed with Voidrays and Phoenix prior to this happening. So he had overlords placed all around. With the phoenix and Voidray there they can just lift the queen or queens so they can't even attack. .
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar sure that wasnt MC, but this was delayed warp prism sentry since MC invested a lot to air harass, i think it all depend on zerg scouting, if the harass is early like TT1 style queens and lings in base would help, just my opinion tho
TomTep118 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever The same way you stop mutas... don't let the enemy get to that point.
fortunadodesperado 2 months ago
@fortunadodesperado its not even a tech play....its super easy to get 4 sentries and a warp prism, u cant punish them for going for it
lithiumissick42 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever scout the WP then get into position to be able to focus it with queens. It's like any all in, if you can scout it it's easy to stop if not then it can be gg.
Kenishishi7 2 months ago
@Kenishishi7 How do you propose IDRA scouted the warp prism? Zero map control with the voidrays and phoenix out. Please tell me after watching the game how IDRA could have scouted the warp prism coming.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever ULTRALISK BLARGHHHHH
That or have base defence
SuicidalSoldier7 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever keep 3 hydras or one spine crawler and one spore crawler in ur base ?
petrov4o 2 months ago
@petrov4o do you even know, how crap hydras are? A DERP
altf4nubs 2 months ago
@altf4nubs You're right, I wrote before I watched the replay, i thought he was going
to do sentry mineral line harass or smth; I guess you need to scout this
one to stop it
petrov4o 2 months ago
@petrov4o 3 hydras would have done *so* much vs 4 pheonix and 2 VR.
LammonNomaer 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever not even a hard nerf either, just either not allow casting on top of units or decrease energy. Ghosts also need a nerf badly.
MikeyPWhatAG 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever few lings in your base should fix that you can just pick the sentries off after their first ff and before the warp in
JeffWatersRules 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever ignore sentries, focus warp prism with 2 queens
lordhuebi 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever playing terran
kiwiGaming1 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever search for vilePsY vs CakeBlackson to know what I mean, Psy explains it beautifully
lordhuebi 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever ok to be fair, in this game, the phoenix' and void rays protected the prism pretty well
lordhuebi 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever build nydus
szopad 2 months ago 16
@mrtigerman4ever Overlord drop? 8D
KamiNoRei 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever
Borrow Roaches, Overload-Transport or let the army in the main..or mapcontrol.But yeah its difficult^^
JarutheDamaja 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever ultralisk rush
giblspoink 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever 6 pool retard
iBukkake 2 months ago
@mrtigerman4ever ULTRALISKS!
ForgottenMemoryLost 2 months ago
lmao. void rays, idra's favourite sc2 unit xD
MusicNblood 2 months ago
I guess Idra was just cooking his dinner and watching TV while playing this game with his right foot.
blacklyone 2 months ago
lol mc is significantly ahead at 5:00?? man your hate for idra realllllllllllllly showing. minerals lost equal, idra loses lings/blings at the same ratio as mc's probes, and idra is behind. riiight.. . . . .
JustSomeStupidDude 2 months ago
god i hate sc2 ... stupd fatties can win with a stupidly overpowered build just by learning the timings! no strategy at all... fuck this game
MutenRoscher 2 months ago
@MutenRoscher why watch a replay of the game then?
ThaAnte 2 months ago
@MutenRoscher Very constructive comment. I like you, kid.
bunker931 2 months ago
what does the SK mean in oGsSKMC?
Dripcy 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ForceSC2strategy
Die Idra, DIE!
Trxmor 2 months ago
Breaking News: Idra chokes again.
JoYoNoMeNow 2 months ago
is that a ram! love it
h3ftw 2 months ago
ff is op
centercity1 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@centercity1 so are fungal growth, mules, stim, marauders, etc...
ff is the only early game thing that protoss has...
iouzip4 2 months ago
@iouzip4 ff dosen't have to be researched and its tear 1, and that isn't the only thing protos has, they have stalkers, they're faster then any tear one unit with no research... no ground unit in the game can do anything to get around the ff other then tear 3 massive or drops
centercity1 2 months ago
@centercity1 tier. and if your talking about stalker being faster then ANY, then you must be forgetting about zerglings.
ColaAlchoholic 2 months ago
@ColaAlchoholic yeah thats after a speed upgrade ...
centercity1 2 months ago
@centercity1 You mean a zergling isn't faster then a Stalker without it? Woah..
ColaAlchoholic 2 months ago
@wooplah because I was already finished watching the game. you fail :)
sIkLe94 2 months ago
Spoiler alert
Protoss wins
ps. fuck you idra. cocky fucker
700007123 2 months ago
@700007123 fuck you spoileridiot
Randy1337 2 months ago
@Randy1337 what? I said spoiler alert :P I warned you :P
*troll face*
700007123 2 months ago
mc has beautiful defensive play.. wow. hats off
tneicna 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@wooplah it is allready spoild when you watch the second game out of 2, with MC winning the first you idiot, lol.
Streeck321 2 months ago
They do not need to do anything, you can use nydus, overlord drops, burrowing, etc to get past forcefields. Lots of ways for zerg to escape it if they prep for it.
anthonydistel 2 months ago in playlist StarCraft 2 Commentary
@anthonydistel If they prep for it? So Zerg has to prepare for a possible 6 gate attack and make plenty of units.. then they have to prepare for Stargate play and make tons of spors and Queens. How are they supposed to prepare for it. They see robo they don't know if it's immortals, observers, or warp prism. How are they supposed to scout for it when the voidrays and phoenix are clearing all the overlords from the map? So you are saying they should prep for this one strategy every game?
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar It's called scouting bro. Toss and terran have the same problem stop bitching.
Kenishishi7 2 months ago
@Kenishishi7 So if all three races have the same problem it's broken right? Tell me again how IDRA could have scouted for it? Overlords die with voidrays and phoenix on the field killing them all and limited them to being over the zerg base. How do you scout that. Watch the game again and tell me how IDRA could have scouted that coming. The purpose of the stargate play is to get map control and give a clear flight path to the zerg base with the warp prism.
bubba18sar 2 months ago
@bubba18sar ... Idra tried a baneling bust and was way behind in tech, you can't judge the balance of the game as a whole in one specific example. the WP came around 12 min mark which would be more than enough time to get mutas if he didn't try a baneling bust. You can say that any all in is unscoutable in certain situations. Are you high masters? If not then you can't say something is unbeatable, if you asked Idra he wouldn't say it's unstoppable so why do you?
Kenishishi7 2 months ago
If your so good, suggest a way to beat this then.
gbrlim 2 months ago
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@gbrlim scout it, 2 queens focus WP. Simple as that there are positions that you can get into that are impossible to get out of in the pro level, which is why Idra has a tendency to leave games early. I'm not saying I'm at the highest caliber I'm saying that you can't complain because other people lose to a strat that you've never delt with, you've never had a player like MC do this to you you have no idea how hard it is to stop, so don't act like you do.
Kenishishi7 2 months ago