GJORGJI PULESKI KAKO I SITE PRERODBENICI (MARKO CEPENKOV, PEJCINOVIK, ZOGRAVSKI, KRSTE MISIRKOV) OD 19 VEK KOGA MAKEDONIJA E POD ROPSTVO, A SOFIJA I BELGRAD NE, PISUVAAT NA SVOJ MAJCIN MAKEDONSKI JAZIK, AKO NE BEA PRIPADNICI NA AVTOHTONIOT BOZJI VECNO POSEBEN MAKEDONSKI NAROD I JAZIK, ZOSTO TOGAS PISUVAA NA MAKEDONSKI MAJCIN POSEBEN JAZIK, A NE NA SRPSKI ILI BUGARSKI, SVESTENIK TEODOSIJ GOLOGANOV VO 19 VEK BARA UCENJE I BOGOSLUZBI NA MAJCIN MAKEDONSKI JAZIK, A NE NA TUGJI BIGARSKI SRPSKI JAZICI
През 1876 година Пулевски участва в Сръбско-турската война, а след това и в Руско-Турската война от 1877 година. Заедно с войводите Ильо Марков, Георги Огнянов, Георги Антонов и Димитър Трифонов, Георги Пулевски е в български доброволчески чети. В състава им нерядко са четници произхождащи от Македония.[2] като първо действа срещу башибозук и редовна армия в Троянския балкан, а после и в сраженията при връх Шипка. Пулевски е и сред освободителите на Кюстендил.
Георги Пулевски е роден през 1817 година в реканската паланка Галичник, тогава в Османската империя. По професия е майстор строител и пътува често до съседните балкански земи. През 1862 година участва в сформираната в Белград от Георги Раковски българска легия, а след разпускането й продължава да взима участие в революционната антиосманска дейност.
E pa ti i drugo ne znaes Srpsko gomno skapano , tatari i tatari pa tito te nauci i sega samo bladas vo toa odi najdi eden dokument kade postoi nacionalnost makedonec pred 1945g,pogledni gi te molam zapadnite izvori ne knigi od srpski ili makedonski komunisticki avtori,ne znaci ako bil roden vo makedonija bil makedonec vidi za sto se borel prvo i sto mu bila idejata am takva nemas posto tikvata ti e napolneta so propaganda.KAKO I SITE DRUGI DOKAZ NEMA ZA LEK AMA U GLAVNO BIL MAKEDONEC.
@avtogram - more bugaroman , stoko edna tatarska , pa zarem i Gorgija Pulevski , od starosedelsko pleme Mijaci ke go pravish "bugar" !!!??? da ne doshle predcite negovi zaedno so divata turkijska hotda na han Asparuh vo Makedonija , a !!!??? gjubre edno bugaromansko , odi slavi si gi vashite bugarski hanovi koi doshle so simbol KONJSKA OPASHKA na Balkanot !
forevermkd nema sto damu dokazuvame na bugarite stosne nije znaeme oti sne cisti MAKEDONCI a ako niv mu smeta togas preku stapo dosta mije so tije bugari grci srbi nije sne MAKEDONCI.
pa ti drugo osven da vregas i ne znaes ah kolku boli taa vistina i prestani ednas so tie lagi poarno ke ti bese da procitase za niv koi se i kako bile ili tesko ti e da razberes.
So what are you suggesting ?? that we are the descendants of the ancient Macedonians ah?? First of all they all went to immigrate toward Constantinople to be closer to Byzantium and faraway from the attacks by the Slavic tribes my friend and please lets read some other history then the communist propaganda for example : let look at the western sources.
@avtogram the hellenic macedonians have ceased to exist since they would rather be known as greeks first and not have their own nation as elexandro did,it is now left on other macedonians to do what should have happened centuries ago......to all macedonians!please do not let bulgarian,greek,serbian or albanian influence confuse us as the 4 diadokoi were by greece first ,then roman intervention.our phrase"united we stand,divided we ..........a good macedonian.
@avtogram - ne postoi takvo neshto , " bugarski " Makedonec ! moze da ima MAKEDONEC od Bugarija , moze da ima Bugarin od Makedonija , no NEMA , ne postoi , "bugarski" Makedonec !
samo procitaj ja biografijata na Pulevski i ke razberes sto bil.toa sto go napisal zbornikot na trite jazika ne znaci deka potoel makedonski jazik , on taka si go narekol zar ne mozes da vidis deka jazikot e dijalekt na bugarskiot te molam?? umira vo sofija i se bori za bugarskta kauza i od kade sega izleze makedonec deka bil ?? ako bese roden posle 1945 god moze da pravime muabet ama pred toa se bilo bugarsko i da gledame faktite , posto istorijata na fakti e bazirana.
@avtogram, hehe brate ama izgleda ti treba da procitas zosto jas imam procitano. Toj se bori i za drugi armii kako Ruskata.
Kako prvo i Bugarskite istoricari se soglasuvaat deka toj se custvuval Makedonec, zemi procitaj ja negovata kniga Slavomakedonska Obsta Istorija i ke vidis kako se custvuval, vo taa kniga toj pisuva deka nie sme poseben narodi i za Aleksandar veli deka denesnite Makedonci se direktni naslednici na antickite kako Aleksandar, Aristotel i Filip, zemi procitaj malce.
@avtogram A ima i pensia dadena mu ot balgarskoto narodno s'branie za zaslugite mu v Rusko - Turskata voina 1877 i za borbata mu za svobodata i obedinenieto na Balgaria...
@avtogram - abra ajvan eden tataro-bugaromanski , sve zivo da ti nachukam gjubre edno gjubrosano , i Mijacite gi napraj "bugari" !!!??? stoka edna aziska !
@avtogram ti psihopat si ili glupav?! Nam ni velite deka sme gi tolkuvale istoriskite izvori kako nam ni odgovara a sega vie toa go pravite!! Gorgi napišal deka negov jazik e makedonskiot i deka e MAKEDONEC po nacija a ne bugarin!! Što tuka ne ti e jasno i kako se borel za "bugarska kauza" koga ova e dokaz deka se borel za makedonska a ne bugarska kauza?! Dali e sličen makedonskiot jazik so bugarskiot ili ne e drugo prašanje a ova e čist fakt deka Makedoncite se smetale za poseben narod i jazik!
zemi i ubavo procitaj nemoj da se pravat samo spotovi za da gi ubedime lugeto sto bil.eve ti po imeto eden dokaz se vikal GEORGI.ima makedonski ime denes GEORGI.kaj nas imeto e smeneto na GORGI samo za da ne se posomneva nekoj akoubavo razgledas dokazite vistinata e gola.
I agree with you that we're all mixed. For example I am from Salonika and when Slavs came they mixed with the Ancient Macedonians there, in most of Ethnic Macedonia lived Ancient Macedonians. So most of the Ethnic Macedonians comes from places in which lived Ancient Macedonians. Also the Croatians for example mixed with the illyrians, The Slavs of modern day Bulgaria with the Ancient Bulgarians..... there are no clear nations.
lol, so I agree that we are Slavs but it's stupid to say that we are 100.00% Slavs because in the Balkans there are not clear nations.
Modern Bulgarian nation for example is mix of Ancient Bulgarians and Slavs, they speak Slavic but their name is from the old Bulgarians. Modern Macedonian nation is mix of Slavs and Ancient Macedonians, we speak Slavic but our name and symbols are from the our Ancient people. Got it now?
lol, so what does it means? Can you use your brain?
Do you know that the people in Serbia,Croatia,BiH and Montenegro speak one language which is not almost the same but totally same (every word same). So what does it means?
There are differents between the Bulgarian and Macedonian and there are similarities, all Slavic language are similar, all Slavic people in the Balkans could comunicate to each other in their languages, lol+
Bulgarian last name? Which are the Bulgarian last names?
Following your concept, the Bulgarian language is not Slavic but Turkic, because you only looks at the Ancient history. So modern day Bulgarians are not Bulgarians in your point of view because they're Slavs.... lol sick brains......
lol, so if you go from that view, how can be he a Bulgarian?
If he is Bulgarian he have to speak a Turkic dialect and have to have a Turko-Mongolian culture as the Ancient Bulgarians. You people there are really uneducated lol.
@forevermkd haha ok i believe you......NOT this is not an internet war this is all about the truth can you handle it? its in the net otherwise its pointless i poised Borzas comment hours ago it was clear from the most respected resercher on Macedonians can you handle it or not?
Of course that I agree that part of my nationality is from the Slavs, but it doesn't means that I am 100.00% Slav, because there are no clear nations in the Balkans.
Also look at the modern Bulgarians, the Ancient Bulgarians were Turko-Mongols, modern Bulgarians are mix of Ancient Bulgarians and Slavs, they have cultural connection with the Slavs but also some blood connection with the Ancient ones. Same is with the modern Macedonians who are mix of Slavs and Ancient Macedonians
Eugene N. Borza, American historian, expert on Macedon:
"Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and 'Macedonians', cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly emigres in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity."
I'm doing it for more then 2 years, and during that period on internet I meat many uneducated and brainwashed Greeks like you, sorry but it's the reality.
First of all personal opinion of one modern historian has no historical meaning. I could give you a quotes in which some modern historians says that Alexander the Macedonian was Ethnic Serbian.
Also I don't talk about Ancient Macedonians in this video. Here I'm showing a original document which crashes the whole Greek propaganda that "Tito made us in 1944", many Greeks are brainwashed and still believe in this propaganda, I revealed it here for free, you could say thanks.
well to all educat people "macedonian " ntionalism started from Bulgarians and the purpose was to establish a somehow atonomus identity but the real goal was to put Macedonia under Bulgarian rule
hhhh.... even the Bulgarian historians agrees that the goals of the Macedonian people and VMRO in 19/20 century was to create a FULLY autonomous Macedonian state.
That's why I'm saying that you're uneducated, and after all YOU "know" what teach us here. :|
Never heard such a thing, I gave you more interesting comment, so don't start a new theme. Say that you was wrong first and then we'll continue.... :|
You mean our literature language and alphabet are created in 1944. It doesn't means that there were no ideas for creating a separate ones few centuries ago.
For example the Montenegrin literature language is created in 2004, but this "literature" means that it's official and it doesn't meanst that they had no language before 2004, also the literature Croatian, Bosnian and many other are created after us.
Use your OWN mind and think, don't allow someone to manipulate with you!
Ok, read the last them of the Misikov's "On Macedonian Matters", the last them of the (the 5th) is called "few words for the Macedonian literature language".
Read what were the goals of the Macedonian organisations in St. Peretsburg from the 19 century. They all says that we should make a literature Macedonian language but because of the bad position in which Macedonia was they couldn't do that.
You was interested about the literature Macedonian language right? I showed you proofs.
You can find tons of books like that and different books has different views, also in that video were showed maps like proofs, so I showed you pro Macedonian maps. You people in Greece are very brainwashed and many of you when talk with us get confused because they're seeing that there someone manipulate with them.
Finally, I respect Gjergj Pula's personality. He considered Slavic Macedonians and Albanians as closed people. He wasn't chauvinist like today's politicans. He knew that we share a common ancestors (old Macedonians). Albanians (Macedonians) and SlavizedMacedonians co-operated with one another against Turkish rule. Ilinden Uprising tells that unity make power!
Let's follow the way of co-operation and not of hatred stimulated by VMRO-DPMNE
Gjergj Pula was of Albanian background. His tribe came from Malesia e Mbishkodres region. Btw, he wore Fustanella, a very typical dress of Albanians. A number of todays Macedonians have Albanian ruts. Precisely, the Mijaks (Slavized Albanians) and Slavized Albanians around Pelagonia are the true descendants of old Macedonians.
Gjergj Pula and his Mijaks are Slavized Orthodox Albanians as are Orthodox Albanians (Hellenized), Albanian tribes of southern Montenegro (montenegoirzed). Mijaks are slavized recently after establishment of Macedonian Orthodox Church. For instance, the Orthodox Albanians of Reka are Slavo-Macedonized by Church. They admitted this!
@luboteni "Orthodox Albanians of Reka are Slavo-Macedonized by Church" ?! How can be macedonised? What's up with the terms? Ask a Mijak and see what they will tell you! Gjorgija said that he is Macedonian as much as Aristotle and Alexander!
I know that Gjergj has said, but his vision of descendant of Macedonians was different of yours. He considering the old Albanian-Mijak substratum as remain of old Macedonians. That's why a number of Medieval writers equaled Albanians with Macedonians or considering them as same and one people. The only Slavo-Macedonians which can be considered as derived from old Macedonians are them who lived in Western Macedonia, namely have close relation to the Albanians.
Read his book Slavo Makedonska obsta istorija, it around 1000 pages and you will see his opinion.
None calls him Gjergj Pula I don't know why you're calling him like that.
In that book he talks about the whole history of Macedonia and say that Ancient Macedonians were the oldest Slavic people who were here many years before Greeks,Albanians or Serbs. (I'm telling you only what he wrote)
To be honest, I haven' read yet his book, because it isn't translated in Albanian. All what I know for his book is what I heard from my friends (in Manastir-Bitola) who know Macedonian.
But, he also stated that Albanians are old people (according him heirs of Thracians), are not?
@MACEDONIAtoINDIA the stone from rosetta only proofs that macedonians was 100%greek.the hiroglyph type was for the egyptian priests.the egyptian demotik language,which looks like arabic was for normal egypts.and the greek was for the king.all scientist all over the world says that,except SOME(3or4)NAZISLAVS
@MACEDONIAtoINDIA the stone from rosetta only proofs that macedonians was 100%greek.the hiroglyph type was for the egyptian priests.the egyptian demotik language,which looks like arabic was for normal egypts.and the greek was for the king.all scientist all over the world says that,except SOME(3or4)NAZISLAVS
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you are just SERBIANISED BULGARS LIVING IN DENIAL!!!UNTIL YOU ALL DIE AND CLOSE YOUR EYES YOU WILL NOT SET FOOT IN OUR BELOVED MACEDONIA!!1GREETINGS FROM REAL MACEDONIA-GREECE TO YOUR FORMER JUGOSLAV COUNTRY!!
hmmm i thought that some foreign journalist wrote about macedonians but him pfff he was just from there he saw people speaking somesort of a mixed language and he tought that they were a nation.....but still that doesnt mean international recongnition
Its not "hellenic" Constantinopole ... but is MACEDONIAN CARIGRAD (king city) !!! ... "helenici" is antic macedonian word "iselenici" od modern which measn "emigrants" od english !!!
soo who the hell are they ???!!!
While Rosetta stone tells everything , with the three antic languages :
First language is the language of the free people : Egyptians
Second language is for the LIVING MASTERS : MACEDONIANS
Third language is for the slaves in southern Egypt : Denai (modern "greeks")
When Turks occupied Hellenic KOnstantinoupoli,they gave their names from their language and roots to the cities( Instabul,etc).You occupied the place 8 centuries after Aristotelis,you brought your culture and language but you want to keep aristotelis and hellenic names?YOUr language has slav roots doesnt it??
Furthermore i know you maybe young but i dont care about your national needs and emotions i care about historic reality and my languages life through history
You daont have to see things from that side "You occupied the place 8 centuries",becouse there is not clear nations in the Balkan,the DNA tests says that we are more Ancient Macedonians than you,there is still space for doubt.
Its not "hellenic" Constantinopole ... but is MACEDONIAN CARIGRAD (king city) !!! ... "helenici" is antic macedonian word "iselenici" od modern which measn "emigrants" od english !!!
soo who the hell are they ???!!!
While Rosetta stone tells everything , with the three antic languages :
First language is the language of the free people : Egyptians
Second language is for the LIVING MASTERS : MACEDONIANS
Third language is for the slaves in southern Egypt : Denai (modern "greeks")
mostly I dont care what Pulevski wrote.I CARE AND HAVE READ FULL ARISTOTELIS AND HIS TEACHER PLATO.I care of how they felt and speaked and lived and the experience of my language and place that they lived.Language is THOUGHT.[NOW!!]...Language is called LOGOS in HELLENIC (ARISTOTELIS,PLATO). and it means everything,the birth.YOu cant understand it beacouse you dont know the language of them and the cultural experience of the language's history.
WHat does words in his name means?You know? NO or YEs?_____Aristotelis was born in Halkidiki a pure hellenic place and he speaked HELLENIC DURING HIS LIFE.NOT SLAV!!
In this text he only gives the answer that is wanted he does not research in historic reality.The historic reality is that your language is not Macedonian it has slav roots.Macedonia was a hellenic speaking,city_state that was living 8 centuries! before your race arrived and occupy the area.Thats why you cant read the ancient foundings,coins etc.Thats why you dont know what Filippos means=[Fil-Ippos=friend of horse] and Alexandros[al-ex-andros=The power of man]
"the Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia",also he wrote many songs and texts about Alexander the Macedonian and Philip II,
He also says:
"I am not Bulgarian, nor Greek, nor Tzintzar, I am pure Macedonian as were Philip and Alexander the Macedonian and Aristotle Philosopher."
Брате пази логикава од 45 до 60,околу 2 500 000 Бугари ги натерале да станат Македонци,пази еј,хаххахахаааа,само си фантазираат тоа не е можно во пракса.
Kakvi ni beha crvite i uchilishtata v Pirin,Vardar i Egej pred 1913 takvi si ostanaha posle 1913 samo v Pirinska,nikoj ne izbrisha nadpisite po crkvite i ne zatvori uchilishtata v Pirinska .Tova go napraviha samo srbite i grcite v Vardar i Egej.
Од дедо ми брат-од Татко ми стрико е убиен од Бугари,на заседа го начекале во Втора Светска војна и го стрелале,имаме слика како бугарски офицери се сликаат со нив кога ги убивале,го убиле на 22 години,ебави Татарите смрдени!
нема лага, има само некои што имаат претензии.... грција тоне а со нив и вие... сеуште не е доцна...
а самите фаши дела спрема МК народ во егејско, пиринско и вардарко ве закопува... така браќата не се ослободуваат со колење, палење куќи, протерување, силување... и со рицинус!
ја реков, никаков документ не го побива зборот на моите баби и дедовци... смртта на мојот дедо од раката на бугарите бидејки одбил да се побугарчи а мојата баба протерана СО ДОКУМЕНТИ НЕ СЕ БРИШЕ!
The concept of a Macedonian "nationality" is very new, and it was started by Pulevski and Misirkov. There is absolutely no evidence that there was a "Macedonian" nationality before the end of the 19th century. But ironically, Misirkov said that we are ethnic Bulgarians, but we need a new independent nation to free the Slavic population from the tug of war for the land of Macedonia.
naprotiv, ako bile mk bulgari, zosto ne spomnuvate nisto sega za niv? zosto ne se borite za pravata na nivnite potomci vo Egejsko tuku odite zaedno so gejlada protiv nas... ete kolku gi uvazuvate
bobo87mk koga pokazvam originalni dokumenti tova sho e? Nali taka gi negiram grckite lagi za Egejska Mk. Ti sho sakash s edna laga kakva e vashiot makedonizam da se borime protiv druga laga kato grckiio slavofonizam??? Samo s istinata ke gi pobedime.A istinata e v originalnite pisma,dok. i spomeni na komitite od VMRO.
99% od Makedoncite vo Egejskot del se custvuvaat Makedonci,ne e mozno za 50 godini da se natera nekoj od Bugarin da stane Makedonec.Poveke se lugjeto sto se custvuvaat Makedonci vo Bugarija,odkolku Bugari vo Makedonija.
forevermkd Pirinska vinagi e bila svobodna za razlika od Vardar i Egej. Egej e pod grcko ,a Vardar e pod srbsko i janicharsko robstvo. za jal ti izgleda se poveke izpagjash pod vlijanie na srbomanskata propaganda. Nema shansa nie od Pirinska da se brime za takva srbo-komunistichka laga kako makedonizmo ,koga site Mk prerodbenici i komitite od VMRO jasno napishali che sa Bulgari.
hah nemoj sega da mi recesh Makedonskite prerodbenici se borele za Bugarska Okopacija :)))
Vidi na site tie znaminja pishe "Avtonomna Makedonija" za toa se borele,ako sakale obedinuvanje so Bugarija ke pratele edno pismo do Sofija i za 48 saati Bg ke gi proterala Turcite,koj se togas mnogu mnogu oslabnati.
Ti moje da si bidesh koj saksh i da se vikash kak sakash.Nie Bulgarite nemame problem s imeto Makedonec ili Makedonia. Problemot e koga sakate da kradnete site nashi geroj taka narecheni Mk prerodbenici i komiti od VMRO,koga site tie mnogo jasno napishali v svojte pisma i knigi che sa Bulgari.Tova nema kak da go dozvolime,specialno nie koi sme od Mk.
не крадеме ние ништо... никогаш не се изјасниле за Бугари... ниту во писмата на Делчев и она прочуеното со Карев... нити во Македонцките работи на К.М.
нема термин Македонски Бугари... тоа се два различни поими.
isprevrteno ja tolkuvate istorijata za vmro... vmro ne e formirana za obedinuvanje na Makedonija so bugarija tuku za osloboduvanje na Makedonija od okupacijata i obedinuvanje na site narodi na taa teritorija OBEDINETA MAKEDONIJA!
И ајде кажи сега зошто бил кренат ученичкиот бунт во Солун во 1887-1888,за да се смени Бугарскиот јази на кој се учело во Солунската гимназија со Македонски народен говор,значи има разлика меѓу Бугарскиот јазик и Македонскиот говор.
GJORGJI PULESKI KAKO I SITE PRERODBENICI (MARKO CEPENKOV, PEJCINOVIK, ZOGRAVSKI, KRSTE MISIRKOV) OD 19 VEK KOGA MAKEDONIJA E POD ROPSTVO, A SOFIJA I BELGRAD NE, PISUVAAT NA SVOJ MAJCIN MAKEDONSKI JAZIK, AKO NE BEA PRIPADNICI NA AVTOHTONIOT BOZJI VECNO POSEBEN MAKEDONSKI NAROD I JAZIK, ZOSTO TOGAS PISUVAA NA MAKEDONSKI MAJCIN POSEBEN JAZIK, A NE NA SRPSKI ILI BUGARSKI, SVESTENIK TEODOSIJ GOLOGANOV VO 19 VEK BARA UCENJE I BOGOSLUZBI NA MAJCIN MAKEDONSKI JAZIK, A NE NA TUGJI BIGARSKI SRPSKI JAZICI
MACEDONIANPAVLEMKD 1 month ago
През 1876 година Пулевски участва в Сръбско-турската война, а след това и в Руско-Турската война от 1877 година. Заедно с войводите Ильо Марков, Георги Огнянов, Георги Антонов и Димитър Трифонов, Георги Пулевски е в български доброволчески чети. В състава им нерядко са четници произхождащи от Македония.[2] като първо действа срещу башибозук и редовна армия в Троянския балкан, а после и в сраженията при връх Шипка. Пулевски е и сред освободителите на Кюстендил.
cyruspaice 7 months ago
Георги Пулевски е роден през 1817 година в реканската паланка Галичник, тогава в Османската империя. По професия е майстор строител и пътува често до съседните балкански земи. През 1862 година участва в сформираната в Белград от Георги Раковски българска легия, а след разпускането й продължава да взима участие в революционната антиосманска дейност.
cyruspaice 7 months ago
E pa ti i drugo ne znaes Srpsko gomno skapano , tatari i tatari pa tito te nauci i sega samo bladas vo toa odi najdi eden dokument kade postoi nacionalnost makedonec pred 1945g,pogledni gi te molam zapadnite izvori ne knigi od srpski ili makedonski komunisticki avtori,ne znaci ako bil roden vo makedonija bil makedonec vidi za sto se borel prvo i sto mu bila idejata am takva nemas posto tikvata ti e napolneta so propaganda.KAKO I SITE DRUGI DOKAZ NEMA ZA LEK AMA U GLAVNO BIL MAKEDONEC.
avtogram 11 months ago
abe ovcar eden odi procitaj malku istorija i doznaj ja vistinata i fakti ne komunisticki ideali .
avtogram 11 months ago
@avtogram - more bugaroman , stoko edna tatarska , pa zarem i Gorgija Pulevski , od starosedelsko pleme Mijaci ke go pravish "bugar" !!!??? da ne doshle predcite negovi zaedno so divata turkijska hotda na han Asparuh vo Makedonija , a !!!??? gjubre edno bugaromansko , odi slavi si gi vashite bugarski hanovi koi doshle so simbol KONJSKA OPASHKA na Balkanot !
BERZITI 11 months ago
@cobone1 fuck you you piece of shit every fact that is not corresponding withy our gayreeks view is propaganda
the world know the one and only true
macedonia is one and only makedonija na makedoncite
gayreece is stronger and bigger country so if any of this wasnt true the world would change our name long time ago
drumercoka 1 year ago
forevermkd nema sto damu dokazuvame na bugarite stosne nije znaeme oti sne cisti MAKEDONCI a ako niv mu smeta togas preku stapo dosta mije so tije bugari grci srbi nije sne MAKEDONCI.
prilep18 1 year ago
pa ti drugo osven da vregas i ne znaes ah kolku boli taa vistina i prestani ednas so tie lagi poarno ke ti bese da procitase za niv koi se i kako bile ili tesko ti e da razberes.
avtogram 1 year ago
This '' STONEMASON '' lived 2100 years after Macedonia's birth.
Georgios763 1 year ago
So what are you suggesting ?? that we are the descendants of the ancient Macedonians ah?? First of all they all went to immigrate toward Constantinople to be closer to Byzantium and faraway from the attacks by the Slavic tribes my friend and please lets read some other history then the communist propaganda for example : let look at the western sources.
avtogram 1 year ago
Bugarski makedonec od makedonec ima razlika.
avtogram 1 year ago
@avtogram, еве ти што напишал во 1878....
"Дал сте чуле, Македонци, стари људи оти говорат:
Од Македонци појунаци над них не било -
Цар Александар Македонски триста лета пред Христа
со Македонци сву вселену повладал..."
Јазикот е западно Македонски диалект а не Бугарски......
forevermkd 1 year ago 4
@avtogram the hellenic macedonians have ceased to exist since they would rather be known as greeks first and not have their own nation as elexandro did,it is now left on other macedonians to do what should have happened centuries ago......to all macedonians!please do not let bulgarian,greek,serbian or albanian influence confuse us as the 4 diadokoi were by greece first ,then roman intervention.our phrase"united we stand,divided we ..........a good macedonian.
makedonistoi 1 year ago
@avtogram - nema "bugarski" Makedonci , ima samo BUGAROMANI kako tebe , ebati opinokot tatarski !
BERZITI 1 month ago
@avtogram - ne postoi takvo neshto , " bugarski " Makedonec ! moze da ima MAKEDONEC od Bugarija , moze da ima Bugarin od Makedonija , no NEMA , ne postoi , "bugarski" Makedonec !
BERZITI 1 week ago
of lele mori majko sega ke se fakame za slamkite a pogledni go jazikot na koj pisuval.
avtogram 1 year ago
samo procitaj ja biografijata na Pulevski i ke razberes sto bil.toa sto go napisal zbornikot na trite jazika ne znaci deka potoel makedonski jazik , on taka si go narekol zar ne mozes da vidis deka jazikot e dijalekt na bugarskiot te molam?? umira vo sofija i se bori za bugarskta kauza i od kade sega izleze makedonec deka bil ?? ako bese roden posle 1945 god moze da pravime muabet ama pred toa se bilo bugarsko i da gledame faktite , posto istorijata na fakti e bazirana.
avtogram 1 year ago
@avtogram, hehe brate ama izgleda ti treba da procitas zosto jas imam procitano. Toj se bori i za drugi armii kako Ruskata.
Kako prvo i Bugarskite istoricari se soglasuvaat deka toj se custvuval Makedonec, zemi procitaj ja negovata kniga Slavomakedonska Obsta Istorija i ke vidis kako se custvuval, vo taa kniga toj pisuva deka nie sme poseben narodi i za Aleksandar veli deka denesnite Makedonci se direktni naslednici na antickite kako Aleksandar, Aristotel i Filip, zemi procitaj malce.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@avtogram A ima i pensia dadena mu ot balgarskoto narodno s'branie za zaslugite mu v Rusko - Turskata voina 1877 i za borbata mu za svobodata i obedinenieto na Balgaria...
brtanev 1 year ago
@avtogram - abra ajvan eden tataro-bugaromanski , sve zivo da ti nachukam gjubre edno gjubrosano , i Mijacite gi napraj "bugari" !!!??? stoka edna aziska !
BERZITI 1 year ago
@avtogram ti psihopat si ili glupav?! Nam ni velite deka sme gi tolkuvale istoriskite izvori kako nam ni odgovara a sega vie toa go pravite!! Gorgi napišal deka negov jazik e makedonskiot i deka e MAKEDONEC po nacija a ne bugarin!! Što tuka ne ti e jasno i kako se borel za "bugarska kauza" koga ova e dokaz deka se borel za makedonska a ne bugarska kauza?! Dali e sličen makedonskiot jazik so bugarskiot ili ne e drugo prašanje a ova e čist fakt deka Makedoncite se smetale za poseben narod i jazik!
wildboymk 9 months ago
za zal vo negovoto vreme makeoncite uste ne bea izmisleni akakva vrska sega ima angliskiot so filip???
avtogram 1 year ago
zemi i ubavo procitaj nemoj da se pravat samo spotovi za da gi ubedime lugeto sto bil.eve ti po imeto eden dokaz se vikal GEORGI.ima makedonski ime denes GEORGI.kaj nas imeto e smeneto na GORGI samo za da ne se posomneva nekoj akoubavo razgledas dokazite vistinata e gola.
avtogram 1 year ago
@avtogram
Imeto Gjorgji na angliski e Georgi kako sto Filip na angliski e Philip. Ako imas dokazi deka ne e Makedonec ajde pokazi nekoj dokument da vidime.....
forevermkd 1 year ago
@avtogram bra4et mi se vika georgi bre glupak
makegoHuja 11 months ago
pa sramota e ovakvi lagi da siris.koj ti go perel mozokot da mu kazes da ti vrati parite.
avtogram 1 year ago
@avtogram, Koj siri lagi?
Sto e laga ovde? Ne mozes so svoi oci da procitas sto napisal?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@cobone1
I agree with you that we're all mixed. For example I am from Salonika and when Slavs came they mixed with the Ancient Macedonians there, in most of Ethnic Macedonia lived Ancient Macedonians. So most of the Ethnic Macedonians comes from places in which lived Ancient Macedonians. Also the Croatians for example mixed with the illyrians, The Slavs of modern day Bulgaria with the Ancient Bulgarians..... there are no clear nations.
forevermkd 1 year ago
lol, so I agree that we are Slavs but it's stupid to say that we are 100.00% Slavs because in the Balkans there are not clear nations.
Modern Bulgarian nation for example is mix of Ancient Bulgarians and Slavs, they speak Slavic but their name is from the old Bulgarians. Modern Macedonian nation is mix of Slavs and Ancient Macedonians, we speak Slavic but our name and symbols are from the our Ancient people. Got it now?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@cobone1
lol, so what does it means? Can you use your brain?
Do you know that the people in Serbia,Croatia,BiH and Montenegro speak one language which is not almost the same but totally same (every word same). So what does it means?
There are differents between the Bulgarian and Macedonian and there are similarities, all Slavic language are similar, all Slavic people in the Balkans could comunicate to each other in their languages, lol+
forevermkd 1 year ago
@cobone1
lol, so why you posted this? Can you use your brain or you are so brainwashed and you don't know what you're doing?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@cobone1
Bulgarian last name? Which are the Bulgarian last names?
Following your concept, the Bulgarian language is not Slavic but Turkic, because you only looks at the Ancient history. So modern day Bulgarians are not Bulgarians in your point of view because they're Slavs.... lol sick brains......
forevermkd 1 year ago
@cobone1
lol, so if you go from that view, how can be he a Bulgarian?
If he is Bulgarian he have to speak a Turkic dialect and have to have a Turko-Mongolian culture as the Ancient Bulgarians. You people there are really uneducated lol.
forevermkd 1 year ago
i googled comitadji and here it is in wictionary
so as it seem you dont know who they were
or do you?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
It seems to be the Greek word for Komiti, however none calls them like that. So you don't know who are they and you're asking me for help or what?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
but its still in wiki:))
minottauruss 1 year ago
@forevermkd
btw type Komiti in Google and you could find about 410,000 results. Modern days they're fans of FK Vardar.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
lol
if you knew who they were we wouldnt have this conversation
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
lol of course that I know who are Komiti but I don't understand what is your point, why you're asking me? You don't know or?
If you don't know take some book and read.... :|
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
lol
of cousse you dont know
my friend let me give you an advice
READ before exposing in public
it just shows that you are a loser
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
I don't understand what you're trying to say all this time, if you have something to say, say it here.... finally. I know who Komiti were!
forevermkd 1 year ago
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
okok and can you say me what was your point with the Komiti (Comitadji) now?
You're acting like brainwashed and confused person....
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd im wasting my time with you
if you knew who comitadjis were we wouldnt have this conversation
research and we ll talk
gnight
minottauruss 1 year ago
I know who were Comitadjis and which were their goals, do you want from me to say write it?
What the people there thinks about Comitadjis can you tell me?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@minottauruss
what's your point say please? lol
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
who were the comitadjis or what ever you call them in your country?
do you know?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Of course that you know, you don't? :|
forevermkd 1 year ago
my friend
you live in darkness
minottauruss 1 year ago
let me ask you
yoiu speak slavic
why you think that you are anything else than slavs?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Of course that I agree that part of my nationality is from the Slavs, but it doesn't means that I am 100.00% Slav, because there are no clear nations in the Balkans.
Also look at the modern Bulgarians, the Ancient Bulgarians were Turko-Mongols, modern Bulgarians are mix of Ancient Bulgarians and Slavs, they have cultural connection with the Slavs but also some blood connection with the Ancient ones. Same is with the modern Macedonians who are mix of Slavs and Ancient Macedonians
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
if you think you are a mix why is it so important to be called "Macedonian" and offend people and and neighbour country?
minottauruss 1 year ago
Eugene N. Borza, American historian, expert on Macedon:
"Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and 'Macedonians', cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly emigres in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity."
sorry
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
hhhh, so where he said that we are SlavoBulgarians? lol+
Why you lie? Do you see that you are the brainwashed one here and not me?
You lied few times and even you could see it.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
lol
it seems to me that you can process the info
what "Modern slavs ,both bulgarians and macdonians " mean?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
I dont talk on are we related with the Ancient Macedonians or not, stop making yourself stupid!
You said that: "all of them (worlds scientists) say that you are slavobulgars".
So tell me who said that? One who said that we are "slavobulgars"?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
my friend dont yo understand english/?
Whene Eugene Borza says t hat modern Slavs both Macedonians and Bulgarians arent linked toantiquity who do you think he refers to?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
hhhh, do you see that you have no answer again because you're manipulated and brainwashed?
btw, do you know that the Bulgars were Turko-Mongolian tribe and not Slavic?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
lolski
Bulgarians speak a slavic language....that means that slavs and Bulgarians mixed.......
this is a well known fact to any educated person
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Bulgarians speak a slavic language....that means that slavs and Bulgarians mixed.......
Yep... so the Bulgarians as Boza say has no connection with the antiquity. (meaning the Ancient Bulgarians).
And Modern Macedonians are 100% Slavs right? :)) How is that? :))
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
lol
my friend truth is for the people who can handle it
i aint here to convince you
try a little surfing on the net and have an open mind
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
I'm doing it for more then 2 years, and during that period on internet I meat many uneducated and brainwashed Greeks like you, sorry but it's the reality.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
why im uneducated and brainwashed?
i just post info i get on the net or in books
i posted explanations of my coment 5 times and still you dont get it
why am i brainwashed?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
First of all personal opinion of one modern historian has no historical meaning. I could give you a quotes in which some modern historians says that Alexander the Macedonian was Ethnic Serbian.
Also I don't talk about Ancient Macedonians in this video. Here I'm showing a original document which crashes the whole Greek propaganda that "Tito made us in 1944", many Greeks are brainwashed and still believe in this propaganda, I revealed it here for free, you could say thanks.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
well to all educat people "macedonian " ntionalism started from Bulgarians and the purpose was to establish a somehow atonomus identity but the real goal was to put Macedonia under Bulgarian rule
of course they dont teach you that in school
by the way dont you know who BOrza is?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
hhhh.... even the Bulgarian historians agrees that the goals of the Macedonian people and VMRO in 19/20 century was to create a FULLY autonomous Macedonian state.
That's why I'm saying that you're uneducated, and after all YOU "know" what teach us here. :|
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
do you know what comitadjis were?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Never heard such a thing, I gave you more interesting comment, so don't start a new theme. Say that you was wrong first and then we'll continue.... :|
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
:)
you never heard of comiadjis and you think you know Balkan hiostory?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
I'm not sure you know its name very well, you mean Komiti?
Type in google "comiadjis" and see how much you know the terms. :|
And do you see that you are very uneducated about the things before or you're that stupid that you couldn't get it even that? (Answer please)
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
ok lets say komiti
what was it?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
lol, you don't know their name and YOU will teach ME something about them :|, no thanks!
And what about the things which I asked you, you couldn't ignore the facts timeless.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
and why do you think i didnt answer?Borza says : Modern slavs Macedonians"...thats you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
minottauruss 1 year ago
this is a try of some guy to create the idea of a nation, nothing more.
your now language didnt have an alphabet till 1944.
And in times of Mr Pulevski who were the Macedonians?
watch?v=dTYq07ChI-8
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
You mean our literature language and alphabet are created in 1944. It doesn't means that there were no ideas for creating a separate ones few centuries ago.
For example the Montenegrin literature language is created in 2004, but this "literature" means that it's official and it doesn't meanst that they had no language before 2004, also the literature Croatian, Bosnian and many other are created after us.
Use your OWN mind and think, don't allow someone to manipulate with you!
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
no comment to john foster fraser?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@forevermkd
hahaha then show the facts a few centuries ago
and dont show maps
maps only show a region not ethnicity
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Ok, read the last them of the Misikov's "On Macedonian Matters", the last them of the (the 5th) is called "few words for the Macedonian literature language".
Read what were the goals of the Macedonian organisations in St. Peretsburg from the 19 century. They all says that we should make a literature Macedonian language but because of the bad position in which Macedonia was they couldn't do that.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
once again
you didnt comment on john foster frasers book
why not?
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
You was interested about the literature Macedonian language right? I showed you proofs.
You can find tons of books like that and different books has different views, also in that video were showed maps like proofs, so I showed you pro Macedonian maps. You people in Greece are very brainwashed and many of you when talk with us get confused because they're seeing that there someone manipulate with them.
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
ok i got it
if you see only the maps you like the books you like you have a point .......but thats not the truth
modeplagal1900 1 year ago
@forevermkd
dont talk about brainwashing man
you are the first in list
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Why do you think that I am brainwashed? Do you see that the things which I'm saying are true? Or what I lied?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
you what you want to see
minottauruss 1 year ago
@forevermkd
you only see what you want to see
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
I don't understand codes and I don't need diplomatic answers, tell me why do you think that I am brainwashed? The reason why?
Or maybe because you have heard on TV that people here are brainwashed? Ask yourself and answer!
forevermkd 1 year ago
@minottauruss
@minottauruss
I don't understand codes and I don't need diplomatic answers, tell me why do you think that I am brainwashed? The reason why?
Or maybe because you have heard on TV that people here are brainwashed? Ask yourself and answer!
forevermkd 1 year ago
@minottauruss
@minottauruss
I don't understand codes and I don't need diplomatic answers, tell me why do you think that I am brainwashed? The reason why?
Or maybe because you have heard on TV that people here are brainwashed? Ask yourself and answer!
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
you are brainwashed because there isnt a single scientist out there that connects to the ancient world
and all of them say that you sare slavobulgars
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
Where I said that we are 100% Ancient Macedonians? Again you lie....
And tell me some neutral scientist who says that we are "slavobulgars"? His name?
forevermkd 1 year ago
@forevermkd
you are 0% linked to antiquity as BORZA states
minottauruss 1 year ago
@minottauruss
correction
it seems to me that you CANT process the info
minottauruss 1 year ago
Finally, I respect Gjergj Pula's personality. He considered Slavic Macedonians and Albanians as closed people. He wasn't chauvinist like today's politicans. He knew that we share a common ancestors (old Macedonians). Albanians (Macedonians) and SlavizedMacedonians co-operated with one another against Turkish rule. Ilinden Uprising tells that unity make power!
Let's follow the way of co-operation and not of hatred stimulated by VMRO-DPMNE
luboteni 2 years ago
Between others, how the f*** could been Slavs (Serbs) of Kumanova and northeastern districts descendants of old Macedonians?
Or how come that Bulgarians of some eastern districts became descendants of old Macedonians?
luboteni 2 years ago
Also, the name of Mijaks has remain in use by today's Albanians because some surnames are Mijaku.
luboteni 2 years ago
Name Mijak, what does it means?
Mije - it means "we" in western Macedonian dialect, and then Mijaci it means something like we, or ourselfs.
forevermkd 2 years ago
Gjergj Pula was of Albanian background. His tribe came from Malesia e Mbishkodres region. Btw, he wore Fustanella, a very typical dress of Albanians. A number of todays Macedonians have Albanian ruts. Precisely, the Mijaks (Slavized Albanians) and Slavized Albanians around Pelagonia are the true descendants of old Macedonians.
luboteni 2 years ago
I'm from the Mijaks and I know it's history very good. Gjerg Pula knew who he was.....
.... he was always saying that he is pure Macedonia like Alexander the Macedaonian and Philip of Macedon.
forevermkd 2 years ago
Slavised Albaninas? A new term?
SWIFTerMKD 2 years ago
@SWIFTerMKD
Nothing new!
Gjergj Pula and his Mijaks are Slavized Orthodox Albanians as are Orthodox Albanians (Hellenized), Albanian tribes of southern Montenegro (montenegoirzed). Mijaks are slavized recently after establishment of Macedonian Orthodox Church. For instance, the Orthodox Albanians of Reka are Slavo-Macedonized by Church. They admitted this!
luboteni 2 years ago
@luboteni "Orthodox Albanians of Reka are Slavo-Macedonized by Church" ?! How can be macedonised? What's up with the terms? Ask a Mijak and see what they will tell you! Gjorgija said that he is Macedonian as much as Aristotle and Alexander!
SWIFTerMKD 2 years ago
@SWIFTerMKD
I know that Gjergj has said, but his vision of descendant of Macedonians was different of yours. He considering the old Albanian-Mijak substratum as remain of old Macedonians. That's why a number of Medieval writers equaled Albanians with Macedonians or considering them as same and one people. The only Slavo-Macedonians which can be considered as derived from old Macedonians are them who lived in Western Macedonia, namely have close relation to the Albanians.
luboteni 2 years ago
Read his book Slavo Makedonska obsta istorija, it around 1000 pages and you will see his opinion.
None calls him Gjergj Pula I don't know why you're calling him like that.
In that book he talks about the whole history of Macedonia and say that Ancient Macedonians were the oldest Slavic people who were here many years before Greeks,Albanians or Serbs. (I'm telling you only what he wrote)
forevermkd 2 years ago
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luboteni 2 years ago
@forevermkd
To be honest, I haven' read yet his book, because it isn't translated in Albanian. All what I know for his book is what I heard from my friends (in Manastir-Bitola) who know Macedonian.
But, he also stated that Albanians are old people (according him heirs of Thracians), are not?
luboteni 2 years ago
* * * * * брате. :)
Ognjenimach 2 years ago
Odlicno video brat!!! Samo so educiranje okolu nasata istorija moze da se obedinime!!
psyMKD 2 years ago
Bulgarian nation
666hyperionhellas 2 years ago
hhh
forevermkd 2 years ago
pusi kur glupav bugarinu
goranbk 2 years ago
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@MACEDONIAtoINDIA the stone from rosetta only proofs that macedonians was 100%greek.the hiroglyph type was for the egyptian priests.the egyptian demotik language,which looks like arabic was for normal egypts.and the greek was for the king.all scientist all over the world says that,except SOME(3or4)NAZISLAVS
NIKDAGREEK27 2 years ago
@MACEDONIAtoINDIA the stone from rosetta only proofs that macedonians was 100%greek.the hiroglyph type was for the egyptian priests.the egyptian demotik language,which looks like arabic was for normal egypts.and the greek was for the king.all scientist all over the world says that,except SOME(3or4)NAZISLAVS
NIKDAGREEK27 2 years ago
Sega znam koj e toj "Georgi Pulevski"
Ti blagodaram Brat'
MnM!
blazingmaco 2 years ago 6
what is that song u used in the video?
FlyerWithoutWings 2 years ago
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you are just SERBIANISED BULGARS LIVING IN DENIAL!!!UNTIL YOU ALL DIE AND CLOSE YOUR EYES YOU WILL NOT SET FOOT IN OUR BELOVED MACEDONIA!!1GREETINGS FROM REAL MACEDONIA-GREECE TO YOUR FORMER JUGOSLAV COUNTRY!!
tzakos1982 2 years ago
hahah bicth the truth hurts, doesn`t it?
SWIFTerMKD 2 years ago
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what truth you tito failure experiment..cause if you want truth i will give you one...
tzakos1982 2 years ago
Една од најболните теми на Божидар Димитров и неговите поданици е токму ЃОРЃИ ПУЛЕВСКИ!!!
Секоја чест за видеото!!!!!
UltraMacedon 2 years ago 3
sekoja cest za videoto
ako moze nekoj da mi kaze koja e pesnava, ja baram dolgo vreme ama nikako da otkrijam civa e i kako se vika
darrious870 2 years ago 3
Ne znam ni jas kako se vika ama ja zedov od edno video za Mavrovo nesto...
Mozes da go dalnodiras videovo i so Video mp3 extractor da ja zemes samo pesnata,taka i jas napraviv...
forevermkd 2 years ago
top video :) M N M !
svabenzicomenzi 2 years ago 2
hmmm i thought that some foreign journalist wrote about macedonians but him pfff he was just from there he saw people speaking somesort of a mixed language and he tought that they were a nation.....but still that doesnt mean international recongnition
mastercane090293 2 years ago
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Its not "hellenic" Constantinopole ... but is MACEDONIAN CARIGRAD (king city) !!! ... "helenici" is antic macedonian word "iselenici" od modern which measn "emigrants" od english !!!
soo who the hell are they ???!!!
While Rosetta stone tells everything , with the three antic languages :
First language is the language of the free people : Egyptians
Second language is for the LIVING MASTERS : MACEDONIANS
Third language is for the slaves in southern Egypt : Denai (modern "greeks")
MACEDONIAtoINDIA 2 years ago
odlicna rabota, 5tka od mene!!!
Makedonier 2 years ago 5
When Turks occupied Hellenic KOnstantinoupoli,they gave their names from their language and roots to the cities( Instabul,etc).You occupied the place 8 centuries after Aristotelis,you brought your culture and language but you want to keep aristotelis and hellenic names?YOUr language has slav roots doesnt it??
Furthermore i know you maybe young but i dont care about your national needs and emotions i care about historic reality and my languages life through history
haoma13 2 years ago
You daont have to see things from that side "You occupied the place 8 centuries",becouse there is not clear nations in the Balkan,the DNA tests says that we are more Ancient Macedonians than you,there is still space for doubt.
forevermkd 2 years ago
Its not "hellenic" Constantinopole ... but is MACEDONIAN CARIGRAD (king city) !!! ... "helenici" is antic macedonian word "iselenici" od modern which measn "emigrants" od english !!!
soo who the hell are they ???!!!
While Rosetta stone tells everything , with the three antic languages :
First language is the language of the free people : Egyptians
Second language is for the LIVING MASTERS : MACEDONIANS
Third language is for the slaves in southern Egypt : Denai (modern "greeks")
MACEDONIAtoINDIA 2 years ago
mostly I dont care what Pulevski wrote.I CARE AND HAVE READ FULL ARISTOTELIS AND HIS TEACHER PLATO.I care of how they felt and speaked and lived and the experience of my language and place that they lived.Language is THOUGHT.[NOW!!]...Language is called LOGOS in HELLENIC (ARISTOTELIS,PLATO). and it means everything,the birth.YOu cant understand it beacouse you dont know the language of them and the cultural experience of the language's history.
haoma13 2 years ago
Mxm...Aristotelis!?? ok...
WHat does words in his name means?You know? NO or YEs?_____Aristotelis was born in Halkidiki a pure hellenic place and he speaked HELLENIC DURING HIS LIFE.NOT SLAV!!
haoma13 2 years ago
In this text he only gives the answer that is wanted he does not research in historic reality.The historic reality is that your language is not Macedonian it has slav roots.Macedonia was a hellenic speaking,city_state that was living 8 centuries! before your race arrived and occupy the area.Thats why you cant read the ancient foundings,coins etc.Thats why you dont know what Filippos means=[Fil-Ippos=friend of horse] and Alexandros[al-ex-andros=The power of man]
haoma13 2 years ago
He wrote:
"the Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia",also he wrote many songs and texts about Alexander the Macedonian and Philip II,
He also says:
"I am not Bulgarian, nor Greek, nor Tzintzar, I am pure Macedonian as were Philip and Alexander the Macedonian and Aristotle Philosopher."
forevermkd 2 years ago
Moze nekoj da go kaze imeto na pesnava? pozz
IISuNsHiNeIII 2 years ago
да и мене ме инересира името на песната некој ако знае нека каже =))
TheAlexanderGreat 2 years ago
Odlicno
TheAlexanderGreat 2 years ago
tatkomi e od galicnik
Strikingproduction 2 years ago
razdelianeto na macedonia ot bulgaria e sazdadeno ot amerikanzite za da napravi edna silna darjava, dve slabi.
"razdeliai i vladei"
"divide and conquer" -roman emperor
Diabl0III 2 years ago
Makedonija pod bugarsko ropstvo vo cela istorija ne e ni 70 godini,ti ne znaesh shto govorish!
forevermkd 2 years ago
sto ima vrska Amerika so Makedonija?
kolku so vie ste mi kazuvale dosea, nie sme bile "kreirani" za da se oslabi Srbija :)
bobo87mk 2 years ago
а помтиш што ми пиша пред некое време за Пирин.. комунистите на нас она и ова... а сеа слободни сте биле... ајде бе не знаете веќе што зборите.....
каква логика жити се.. ние што сме во вардар со дедовци од П и Е сме србизирани а вие од пирин исто така со дедовци сте имуни...
како не
bobo87mk 2 years ago
Брате пази логикава од 45 до 60,околу 2 500 000 Бугари ги натерале да станат Македонци,пази еј,хаххахахаааа,само си фантазираат тоа не е можно во пракса.
forevermkd 2 years ago
дедо ми насилно е мобилизиран во БГ војска кај дојран. убиен е откако одбил да се побугарчи...баба ми протерана земјата ни ја зедоа..
како не... за жал повеќето се побугарчени и тие се најтешките шовинисти но гласот МАКЕДОНСКИ се слуша сеуште... меѓу кои И ЈАС, МОЈАТА РОДА ТАМУ!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
Ako saksh da razberesh kak,tatko mi e jiv ke ti razkaje kak 1960 e nateran da se pishe makedonec.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
Kakvi ni beha crvite i uchilishtata v Pirin,Vardar i Egej pred 1913 takvi si ostanaha posle 1913 samo v Pirinska,nikoj ne izbrisha nadpisite po crkvite i ne zatvori uchilishtata v Pirinska .Tova go napraviha samo srbite i grcite v Vardar i Egej.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
Од дедо ми брат-од Татко ми стрико е убиен од Бугари,на заседа го начекале во Втора Светска војна и го стрелале,имаме слика како бугарски офицери се сликаат со нив кога ги убивале,го убиле на 22 години,ебави Татарите смрдени!
forevermkd 2 years ago
нема лага, има само некои што имаат претензии.... грција тоне а со нив и вие... сеуште не е доцна...
а самите фаши дела спрема МК народ во егејско, пиринско и вардарко ве закопува... така браќата не се ослободуваат со колење, палење куќи, протерување, силување... и со рицинус!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
ја реков, никаков документ не го побива зборот на моите баби и дедовци... смртта на мојот дедо од раката на бугарите бидејки одбил да се побугарчи а мојата баба протерана СО ДОКУМЕНТИ НЕ СЕ БРИШЕ!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
The concept of a Macedonian "nationality" is very new, and it was started by Pulevski and Misirkov. There is absolutely no evidence that there was a "Macedonian" nationality before the end of the 19th century. But ironically, Misirkov said that we are ethnic Bulgarians, but we need a new independent nation to free the Slavic population from the tug of war for the land of Macedonia.
Bizija123 2 years ago
ами ако се ваши херои тие, не ми е јасно зошто ГИ ПРОДАДОВТЕ!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
Koj i kak ПРОДАДОВme,sega taka samo si govorish.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
naprotiv, ako bile mk bulgari, zosto ne spomnuvate nisto sega za niv? zosto ne se borite za pravata na nivnite potomci vo Egejsko tuku odite zaedno so gejlada protiv nas... ete kolku gi uvazuvate
bobo87mk 2 years ago
bobo87mk koga pokazvam originalni dokumenti tova sho e? Nali taka gi negiram grckite lagi za Egejska Mk. Ti sho sakash s edna laga kakva e vashiot makedonizam da se borime protiv druga laga kato grckiio slavofonizam??? Samo s istinata ke gi pobedime.A istinata e v originalnite pisma,dok. i spomeni na komitite od VMRO.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
99% od Makedoncite vo Egejskot del se custvuvaat Makedonci,ne e mozno za 50 godini da se natera nekoj od Bugarin da stane Makedonec.Poveke se lugjeto sto se custvuvaat Makedonci vo Bugarija,odkolku Bugari vo Makedonija.
forevermkd 2 years ago
Vie treba da se borite za avtonomija na Pirinska mk i da si go oslobodite vasiot del,kako sto nie si go oslobodivme!
forevermkd 2 years ago
forevermkd Pirinska vinagi e bila svobodna za razlika od Vardar i Egej. Egej e pod grcko ,a Vardar e pod srbsko i janicharsko robstvo. za jal ti izgleda se poveke izpagjash pod vlijanie na srbomanskata propaganda. Nema shansa nie od Pirinska da se brime za takva srbo-komunistichka laga kako makedonizmo ,koga site Mk prerodbenici i komitite od VMRO jasno napishali che sa Bulgari.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
hah nemoj sega da mi recesh Makedonskite prerodbenici se borele za Bugarska Okopacija :)))
Vidi na site tie znaminja pishe "Avtonomna Makedonija" za toa se borele,ako sakale obedinuvanje so Bugarija ke pratele edno pismo do Sofija i za 48 saati Bg ke gi proterala Turcite,koj se togas mnogu mnogu oslabnati.
forevermkd 2 years ago
ЈАС СЕГА ДА НЕ БЕА ПРОТЕРАНИ МОИТЕ ЌЕ ЖИВЕЕВ ВО ПИРИНСКО - ВО САНДАНСКИ!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
и да не содржело такви "србизирани" букви, дали тоа значи дека нашата азбука е бугарска т.е. руска?
дали тоа значи дека србите и хрватите се едно? НЕ
bobo87mk 2 years ago
Ti moje da si bidesh koj saksh i da se vikash kak sakash.Nie Bulgarite nemame problem s imeto Makedonec ili Makedonia. Problemot e koga sakate da kradnete site nashi geroj taka narecheni Mk prerodbenici i komiti od VMRO,koga site tie mnogo jasno napishali v svojte pisma i knigi che sa Bulgari.Tova nema kak da go dozvolime,specialno nie koi sme od Mk.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
не крадеме ние ништо... никогаш не се изјасниле за Бугари... ниту во писмата на Делчев и она прочуеното со Карев... нити во Македонцките работи на К.М.
нема термин Македонски Бугари... тоа се два различни поими.
bobo87mk 2 years ago
bobo87mk vidi go mojot blog imam mnogo originalni pisma od vojvodi na VMRO. Skoro ke imam i pisma od Dame Gruev.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
bobo87mk,how would you explain the Serbian letters that were used in this book?
AlexOdesos 2 years ago
ami Lozarite?
isprevrteno ja tolkuvate istorijata za vmro... vmro ne e formirana za obedinuvanje na Makedonija so bugarija tuku za osloboduvanje na Makedonija od okupacijata i obedinuvanje na site narodi na taa teritorija OBEDINETA MAKEDONIJA!
bobo87mk 2 years ago
Da be jasno,ali koj sa tie narodi v Mk spored VMRO? Bulgari,grci,vlasi,shiptari,turci!!!!!
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
И ајде кажи сега зошто бил кренат ученичкиот бунт во Солун во 1887-1888,за да се смени Бугарскиот јази на кој се учело во Солунската гимназија со Македонски народен говор,значи има разлика меѓу Бугарскиот јазик и Македонскиот говор.
forevermkd 2 years ago
Prochitaj spomenite na vojvodite i ke razberesh zashto e bunta v Solunskata gimnazia.
Playboytaxi 2 years ago
a sto so tie sto mi se od Egejsko? srbskata propagan