Hey Oneness folk (of which I USED to be for several years): Iif what you believe is in fact so clearly taught in the Bible (i.e., that salvation itself hangs on speaking in tongues), Then why does it take some in your church so long for some to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit (to "prove" they are saved). Ans why did it take until the 20th Century to arrive at the so-called true doctrine you preach? Is God's arm so short that He cannot save? Isaiah 59:1
@chittybang2x Nice to hear you left. I left too. Good points. No one in the bible begged for the Holy Ghost. Isn't grace so much more beautiful anyway? That upc burden was pretty heavy and the opposite of peace and joy. Oh I am so thankful to God and the work of the cross! (the finished! work). God bless
...If someone says they are in someone how is that showing a distinction? The trinity would be a great way to explain scripture had it not taken and completely redefined the idea of the jewish radical monotheism. The trinity simply cannot be the answer to the mystery of God.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 KJV)
I have no real point ... I was just demonstrating that when thing make me go HMMMM? I do a little research and then I don't have to sit and drool and go HMMMM? again ... I really don't go HMMMM? much in the first place ... Experience + Education + Thinking = Not Going HMMMM? excessively.
The visible INCARNATION of the invisible god. believe me I am in the father and father is in me is. It sounds to me like Jesus should of been using the term WE...and not the term I....HMMMM ??????
brother Mark, I appreciate your ability to articulate the obvious errors of oneness. I would love to see you speak on spiritual abuse or the upc false salvation teachings. God bless, an ex- upc'er and lovin God
I am preparing my own video to demonstrate the simplicity of the basic Bible teaching on the relationship and disctinctions between God (the Father), Christ and their Holy Spirit (the Spirit of God and Christ) - for they are both of One Mind in both purpose and Spirit
So, if Jesus were God and the Father plainly is God, then there are two Gods. One God beside another God. You also claim the Holy Spirit is a 'person' too. You can't logically claim there are three Lords and yet one Lord but only one God
So, if Jesus were God and the Father plainly is God, then there are two Gods.
False, the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost are the ONE true eternal God. You are ASSUMING one person equals one God, hence three person must equal one God. Jesus Himself taught the doctrine of the trinity. (John 15:26)
another good answer, there's no way God is a trinity, God doesn't have to transform himself into a man to come down to earth, and give himself a ransom for anyone, in fact who would he have given the ransom to.. these misguided ministers are really making themselves subject to internal doom..
Man! you talk about twisting the scriptures, if Jesus is truly the father then why does he mentions in John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary "Don't cling to me, for I haven't yet ascended to the father, but go find my brothers and tell them, ' I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God, this raises some eyebrows, the bottom line who did Jesus say to worship him or his father anything beyond that is pure blasphemy.
when looking at John 20:17 where Jesus said he is ascending to my God and your God, so if Jesus is God as you see it then why does he refer to himself ascending to another God, keep in mind the word God, Lord, and Father are only titles Satan is also called a God of this world, so for one to refer to someone as being God doesn't mean that the person is all being, that's why Jesus has a personal name and so does his father to distinguish between the two.
You are ASSUMING unitarianism. Where in the bible does it show 1 person equals one God. I can show you 3 Persons equal one God, why can't you show me one person equals one God?
I'm not assuming anything thing if you want proof of who is to be worshiped then read the entire book of John chapter 17, especially chapter 1-5 and you will find your answer, furthermore Jesus never taught us to worship him, he simply said to worship his father, and all glory goes to his father, do you recall the sitting at his right hand, when Jesus said "it is not mines to give, but it belongs to my father" and so forth, please pray for understanding of the scriptures if not be that as it may
And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen.
oh so now you're saying that the Hebrews were worshiping little children, they fell down to give Yahosuha honor because they saw the prophecy being fulfilled through the messiah, they knew he was coming, but they didn't know how he was coming, but when they recognized the signs they gave him honor. once again, did Jesus tell us to worship him, or did he say to worship his father.
that's a good point, pretty sneaky how you did that, but be that as it may, well look at it in this way, what was the duty of the Levitical Priest , the Hebrews came to them to intercede in their behalf, and although they were given much honor because of their high position and yet all praises went to the most high, Just as the Levitical Priest pleaded for the people so Jesus is the high priest who pleads for all of us (Heb 5:4-10 in this way he is worshiped from a man standpoint..
oh yeh I forgot; yes the messiah is the be honored just as the father, because if we seen Yahoshua we have seen his father, not in a since that they are the same, but they share the same purpose, character, and goal, you can liken this to a vise president who will come with a message from the head president, although a person may not see the president but the message that's being delivered from the vise president are the same, do you get what I'm saying.
In relation to Christ, I means God is the Father and Jesus is His Only Begotten Son. His Father was God and His mother was the woman Mary. However, he did not take the angelic nature at His birth, he took the nature of man
Jesus bore the Name of God and was God manifest in the flesh (God was in Christ.) Equality does not mean two things are the same or equivalent, it means they are equal. I believe this "equality" is referring to the authority and power Jesus had
well not according to 1cor 15:27 where it says "God has put all things under his Jesus authority (of course, when it says "all things are under his authority, "that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) when all things are under God's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, so that God, who gave his son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
do you see how that works, Jesus is the head of all things until the last enemy death is brought to a finish then the messiah will subject himself to his father so his father can become all things to everyone. The scriptures are very clear on who is the role of the messiah and his purpose for coming to the earth.
I'm confused on what is the point of this video. Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe in the trinity? What position is the video suppose to be showing?
Furthermore, the Trinity rests on the concept that the three persons each hold different offices when 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Romans 8:9 speak of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST acting in the office that you designate for the Holy Spirit, in prophesy and in indwelling. Also, Jesus told his followers that the Spirit of the Father would speak through them.
That pretty much says it all. God is a (singular) Spirit (John 4:24).
Try defining person- it means 'self-existence'. Try God MANIFEST, not persons.
Jesus isn't the true God. What amazes me is how both Trinitarians and Oneness/Modalists got it all wrong and fight each other not realizing they basically got the same nonsense for beliefs.
There isn't even a single passage in the entire Bible that demonstrates that Jesus is the true God.
Feel free to watch my videos. Thanks for your time. =)
This is all simple knowledge. Doesn't make me go "hmmm" at all. If you look carefully at verse 9-10 you'll notice that the Father speaks through him and that the Father abides in him.
Mark, while I respect you as a person, you lose credibility with each video you make. Rather than discussing doctrine with the well learned, you tend to pick less knowledgeable people and exploit them.
Like ProphecyChannel said, why don't you try and pick on David Bernard?
By the way, if you believe in the Trinity then you believe God spoke to himself in John 17. You believe one of God's personalities spoke to another one of God's personalities. Its beginning to sound a lot like Tritheism.
For the Jesus Oness Guys. Jesus was praying to Himself in John 17??? And in Garden of Gethsemane??. Then the great commission Matt28:19 In the name of the Father the Son in Holy Spirit. 1john 5:7 The three that bare witness in heaven.
1st John 5:7 doesn't say "the word" and whatnot as the KJV says. That is a forgery. I would suggest you learn the history behind it.
And every scholar doubts that Matthew 28:19 said "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Rather, they all say, that it originally said "In my name."
What textual evidences do we have for doubting Matthew 28:19? EVERY scholar? Wow. If you mean SOME scholars (most being liberal , probably in the evolution of religion paradigm), then possibly. But I can find scholars that support the most crazy of ideas. I don't really think that Matt 28 is a consensus ;-)
One, it does. Two, what scholars are these? 1John 2:20-23 the spirit of Anti Christ denies the Father and the Son. Jesus did not say what he said. In the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit?
Ugh!, I can not deal with anyone who deceives himself so. Here is something very profound. But it may be to Wonderful for you comprehend Judges 3-5. Deborah, Barak, Abinoam. If you interpret the names. You Get the little Word, Father of Beauty, and the HolyGhost, But dark minds can not perceive.
We all know that Mr. McCalip is not exactly on the ball but when are you going to stop making fun of him?
The simple fact is, you have singled him out and your continuing to try and humiliate him. How about picking on David Bernard? Why? Because he is not an easy target.
There are many with different theological views but your presentation is nothing short of unchristian.
I urge you as a brother in Christ to think it over.
Well, the term Adonai means "Master", so yes that would be appropriate to say of Yeshua as well (and it is used of Him). But YHVH is also used of Him in the NT. For example, I'm sure you know that when the English Bible translates YHVH, it writes it out as "LORD". The NT takes this word and applies it to Yeshua on a couple of occasions, one of which being Hebrews 1:10.
This is the problem I have with the NT. In the Tanakh, you can clearly differentiate when YHWH is used or when Adonai is used, but you can't do the same in the NT because "Lord" is always kurios.
The only time I know when YHWH is used in the NT, is when Yeshua recites the Shema in Mark 12. How can you tell tho?
If the authors of Scripture uses the application of the word kurios (adonai) to Jesus when drawing from OT passages where the adonai in question, is the tetragrammaton. Like Rom 10:13 (also; compare 10:9) where the kurios in the OT is used of Yahweh.
Or Hebrews 1:8-14 is another good example. Here we have Scriptures from the Septuagint identifying Jesus as God and then we have a citation of Psalm 102 applied to Jesus, but when reading the Psalm we see that it is indeed talking about Yahweh.
You don't even understand Romans 10:13. In verse 13 he is quoting what he previously said in verse 9: "because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Also, the actual Hebrew of Psalm 45:6-7 says "Your throne is from ELOHIM." And the oldest manuscript of Hebrews 1:8 says "THEOS is your throne."
Yes, he is refering back to vers 9 (hence the same Lord is in view in v.13) but this is a clear allusion (or rather a quote from) to Joel 2:32
The Hebrew can be translated Your throne O GOd just like the greek. But even if that was not the case the author of Hebrews is not using the Hebrew scriptures here but the LXX.
The oldest manuscript of Hebrews 1:8 reads in English? Which manuscript are you referring to? As far as I know of we don't have a textual variation on that part of the verse
And also "God is your throne" would look the same in Greek as "Your throne O' God" so it can't really be that much of a variation in the oldest manuscript (also; evidence please?) It seems you have really studied the issue at hand. ;O)
In 1 Peter 2:4-8, for example, an old testament passage is used to describe the Christ, and the OT passage is from Isaiah 8:14. And when Isaiah wrote it, he spoke of YHVH.
Also the Baptist said that he is the one who came to "make straight the way of the LORD", and he was speaking of Jesus thereby calling Jesus LORD or YHVH.
The name YHVH is used of both the Father and the Son, but they are still distinct. It is used of the Holy Spirit as well, read Hebrews 3:7-11 and then Psalm 95.
However this isn't to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same PERSON, because Scripture makes a distinction between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Just that the divine name is used of each person of the Trinity.
So Agape10, do you believe that God has three personalities, three wills, and three minds?
I also ask you of the origin of the word and concept Trinity, when the terminology of 'three seperate persons, eternal Son, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, etc." was first seen. When exactly?
Colossians 2:9: For in Jesus dwelt the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD bodily.
Murray, God is three persons, however there is never any disagreement or argumentation within the Trinity. There is perfect harmony.
"I also ask you of the origin of the word and concept Trinity"
The argument that you're trying to use here is irrelevant. What is the origin of the term "saving grace"? Or how about the term "common grace"? These terms aren't found in the Bible, but the Bible clearly makes a distinction between saving grace and common grace.
"Colossians 2:9: For in Jesus dwelt the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD bodily. "
Is this verse supposed to contradict the Trinity? Paul is saying the fullness of the entire being of God is in the Man Christ Jesus. For this reason Jesus can say "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father" and in another place "I will send you ANOTHER helper" (parakletos, speaking of the Holy Spirit)....
"John 14:18: I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU."
...At His Second Coming.
"So in the Trinity, Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet he says that the Father is greater than him."
Not just in the Trinity doctrine, in the Bible itself Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet He says that the Father is greater than Him, not in Deity, but in glory and rank, because Jesus had humbled Himself and taken the form of a bond-servant (Phil. 2:5-11) and He was about to be killed on a cross
The Trinity rests on the concept that the three persons each hold different offices when 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Romans 8:9 speak of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST acting in the office that you designate for the Holy Spirit, in prophesy and in indwelling. Also, Jesus told his followers that the Spirit of the Father would speak through them.
That pretty much says it all. God is a (singular) Spirit (John 4:24).
Well, it would be wise to cross-reference scripture to avoid taking it out of context. In terms of speaking of seeing God, I would refer to Colossians 1:15 which speaks of Jesus being the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. You could also refer to John 1:1 and 1 Timothy 3:16.
You wanted a scholarly method and it is the best method I know besides direct revelation from God (Matthew 16:17).
...But do not forget passages such as where Jesus says to Mary Magdalene "I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God" and in another place in that same Gospel "the Father is greater than I", whereas Jesus certainly isn't claiming not be Deity or to be less than the Father, but certainly is making a clear distinction between Himself and His Father (and He distinguishes Himself from the Holy Spirit as well in other places).
So in the Trinity, Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet he says that the Father is greater than him.
The distinction is between God and the temple of the Holy Spirit, which is the fleshly body of Christ. The distinction is between the humanity and the deity.
Jesus said:
Tear down THIS temple (speaking of HIS body) and I WILL RAISE IT UP IN THREE DAYS
You say that Jesus a third of the Godhead, but Colossians 2:9 says that the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus bodily.
Yuratchka, if you can't see that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God, you are in no position to do a proper exegesis of any passage and you fail at speaking about the Bible.
Besides that, I've surely already heard your argument from the mouths of Jehovahs Witnesses and other lost souls who don't understand the Scriptures.
And finally, tell me what this verse says:
..Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ... ...by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ
Yuratchka, I just read the first part of the argument given on the website and the person who wrote that up is ignorant of the Greek text. Peter and Paul both use the term "God and Savior Jesus Christ" (τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ·). There is a rule in the Greek language called "Granville Sharp's rule" which says that if you have two nouns separated with a "καὶ" ("καὶ" is the word 'and')...
(continued) ...and the first noun has the definite article in front of it (note the "τοῦ", which is "the" in front of "Θεοῦ", God) and the second noun doesn't have an article (the word "σωτῆρος", Savior, does not have an article in front of it) then both the words are referring to the subject, namely ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ, Jesus Christ. So these verses clearly teach that Jesus is God. Repent and believe in Him, the true Jesus.
Yuratchka, it is also important to note that the same sentence structure is used in 2 Peter 1:11 where Peter calls Jesus "...our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..". So here you have the same thing as with 2 Peter 1:1 where the word "Lord" (τοῦ Κυρίου) has the article in front of it, and "Savior" (σωτῆρος) does not, and they are separated with a "καὶ" therefore both the words "Lord" and "Savior" are referring to Jesus Christ.... (continued in next comment)
However, no one who denies the deity of Christ argues that this verse (2 Peter 1:11) refers to two different persons, they readily admit that both "Lord" and "Savior" speak of Jesus. But they argue against other verses that have the same exact sentence structure that say "God and Savior", thereby they show that they are hypocrites just trying to twist the verses that contradict their false theology.
Note: ...Just to elaborate on Granville Sharp's rule fully (I didn't have room on the other comments), it states thus:
"Granville Sharp's rule states that when you have two nouns, which are not proper names (such as Cephas, or Paul, or Timothy), which are describing a person, and the two nouns are connected by the word "and," (καὶ) and the first noun has the article ("the") while the second does not, *both nouns are referring to the same person*."
No because in essence you are saying Jesus is A god, and not THE GOD. Thats why we speak english and not hebrew or greek. We understand that in the greek or hebrew or whatever, Adonai, can mean a god or judge.
Excellent video Mark! Mark was really exegeting John 1:18 as well. The only begotten God has declared, manifested, explained, revealed or exegeted the Father to us who have NEVER seen the Father. Good work!
Hey Oneness folk (of which I USED to be for several years): Iif what you believe is in fact so clearly taught in the Bible (i.e., that salvation itself hangs on speaking in tongues), Then why does it take some in your church so long for some to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit (to "prove" they are saved). Ans why did it take until the 20th Century to arrive at the so-called true doctrine you preach? Is God's arm so short that He cannot save? Isaiah 59:1
chittybang2x 2 months ago
@chittybang2x Nice to hear you left. I left too. Good points. No one in the bible begged for the Holy Ghost. Isn't grace so much more beautiful anyway? That upc burden was pretty heavy and the opposite of peace and joy. Oh I am so thankful to God and the work of the cross! (the finished! work). God bless
musicmusing 2 months ago
That music is really off putting...
Keruaran 3 months ago
...If someone says they are in someone how is that showing a distinction? The trinity would be a great way to explain scripture had it not taken and completely redefined the idea of the jewish radical monotheism. The trinity simply cannot be the answer to the mystery of God.
dking2ushawty21 5 months ago
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 KJV)
hammerogod 2 years ago
@hammerogod Yes, trinitarians accept this as the word of God. What is your point?
October31st1517 2 years ago
I have no real point ... I was just demonstrating that when thing make me go HMMMM? I do a little research and then I don't have to sit and drool and go HMMMM? again ... I really don't go HMMMM? much in the first place ... Experience + Education + Thinking = Not Going HMMMM? excessively.
hammerogod 2 years ago
The visible INCARNATION of the invisible god. believe me I am in the father and father is in me is. It sounds to me like Jesus should of been using the term WE...and not the term I....HMMMM ??????
clnmyjts 2 years ago
@clnmyjts There are times when the lord did use WE and OUR. For example John 14:23. Who is the WE and the OUR in this verse.
October31st1517 2 years ago
brother Mark, I appreciate your ability to articulate the obvious errors of oneness. I would love to see you speak on spiritual abuse or the upc false salvation teachings. God bless, an ex- upc'er and lovin God
musicmusing 2 years ago
I am preparing my own video to demonstrate the simplicity of the basic Bible teaching on the relationship and disctinctions between God (the Father), Christ and their Holy Spirit (the Spirit of God and Christ) - for they are both of One Mind in both purpose and Spirit
AdyMiles 2 years ago
Looking forward to it.
October31st1517 2 years ago
BTW Most of your Bible references prove little or nothing in relation to the statements made. Even my Evangelical friend laughed at them
AdyMiles 2 years ago
So, if Jesus were God and the Father plainly is God, then there are two Gods. One God beside another God. You also claim the Holy Spirit is a 'person' too. You can't logically claim there are three Lords and yet one Lord but only one God
AdyMiles 2 years ago
So, if Jesus were God and the Father plainly is God, then there are two Gods.
False, the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost are the ONE true eternal God. You are ASSUMING one person equals one God, hence three person must equal one God. Jesus Himself taught the doctrine of the trinity. (John 15:26)
October31st1517 2 years ago
No He did not. And John 15:26 does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity. You guys are so obsessed with man-made teachings and traditions!
AdyMiles 2 years ago
The simple truth of the matter is the Father is God, Jesus is His Son and the Holy Spirit is the power of God. Anything much beyond this is nonsense
AdyMiles 2 years ago
Question: Is the Father Lord?
October31st1517 2 years ago
The Father is the Lord GOD;
The Son is our Lord, the Anointed Messiah;
The Holy Spirit is God's power and also referred to as the Lord, because it is One with Himself
AdyMiles 2 years ago
So there are 3 Lords?
"....and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
1 Corinthians 8:6
By your logic Jesus is the one Lord, So the Father or the Spirit cannot be Lord.
October31st1517 2 years ago
another good answer, there's no way God is a trinity, God doesn't have to transform himself into a man to come down to earth, and give himself a ransom for anyone, in fact who would he have given the ransom to.. these misguided ministers are really making themselves subject to internal doom..
leoncrowell 2 years ago
Thanks, but I wouldn't go that far. We all have misunderstandings and distorted perceptions on some issue or other. God is our judge, not man
AdyMiles 2 years ago
Man! you talk about twisting the scriptures, if Jesus is truly the father then why does he mentions in John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary "Don't cling to me, for I haven't yet ascended to the father, but go find my brothers and tell them, ' I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God, this raises some eyebrows, the bottom line who did Jesus say to worship him or his father anything beyond that is pure blasphemy.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
There is no question that Jesus is not the Father. But He is God. (Rom 9:5, Heb 1:8)
October31st1517 2 years ago
when looking at John 20:17 where Jesus said he is ascending to my God and your God, so if Jesus is God as you see it then why does he refer to himself ascending to another God, keep in mind the word God, Lord, and Father are only titles Satan is also called a God of this world, so for one to refer to someone as being God doesn't mean that the person is all being, that's why Jesus has a personal name and so does his father to distinguish between the two.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
You are ASSUMING unitarianism. Where in the bible does it show 1 person equals one God. I can show you 3 Persons equal one God, why can't you show me one person equals one God?
October31st1517 2 years ago
No, you cannot show this. God is ONE Lord not THREE
AdyMiles 2 years ago
good answer I totally agree, and its not that I agree but the Scriptures clearly says so...
leoncrowell 2 years ago
I'm not assuming anything thing if you want proof of who is to be worshiped then read the entire book of John chapter 17, especially chapter 1-5 and you will find your answer, furthermore Jesus never taught us to worship him, he simply said to worship his father, and all glory goes to his father, do you recall the sitting at his right hand, when Jesus said "it is not mines to give, but it belongs to my father" and so forth, please pray for understanding of the scriptures if not be that as it may
leoncrowell 2 years ago
Matthew 2:11
And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
Luke 24:51-53
Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven. And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple praising and blessing God. Amen.
October31st1517 2 years ago
oh so now you're saying that the Hebrews were worshiping little children, they fell down to give Yahosuha honor because they saw the prophecy being fulfilled through the messiah, they knew he was coming, but they didn't know how he was coming, but when they recognized the signs they gave him honor. once again, did Jesus tell us to worship him, or did he say to worship his father.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
What is the greek word for worship?
October31st1517 2 years ago
proskyneo what's your point..
leoncrowell 2 years ago
Is προσκυνέω (proskyneō) ever used of the Father. Yes! (John 4:21)
Is προσκυνέω (proskyneō) ever used of the Son? Yes ! (Matt 2:2)
Why is it that you convienently attribute προσκυνέω (proskyneō) to the Father as worship, however to the Son simply as honor?
Do you not honor the Son JUST AS YOU honor the Father? (John 5:23)
October31st1517 2 years ago
that's a good point, pretty sneaky how you did that, but be that as it may, well look at it in this way, what was the duty of the Levitical Priest , the Hebrews came to them to intercede in their behalf, and although they were given much honor because of their high position and yet all praises went to the most high, Just as the Levitical Priest pleaded for the people so Jesus is the high priest who pleads for all of us (Heb 5:4-10 in this way he is worshiped from a man standpoint..
leoncrowell 2 years ago
oh yeh I forgot; yes the messiah is the be honored just as the father, because if we seen Yahoshua we have seen his father, not in a since that they are the same, but they share the same purpose, character, and goal, you can liken this to a vise president who will come with a message from the head president, although a person may not see the president but the message that's being delivered from the vise president are the same, do you get what I'm saying.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
Again, I loathe the use of the word "person" to attempt to describe our Lord GOD
AdyMiles 2 years ago
No, the Father is God and Jesus is the Son of God
AdyMiles 2 years ago
What does the term Son of God mean?
October31st1517 2 years ago
In relation to Christ, I means God is the Father and Jesus is His Only Begotten Son. His Father was God and His mother was the woman Mary. However, he did not take the angelic nature at His birth, he took the nature of man
AdyMiles 2 years ago
The meaning of the Term Son of God is defined in John 5:18.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Jesus bore the Name of God and was God manifest in the flesh (God was in Christ.) Equality does not mean two things are the same or equivalent, it means they are equal. I believe this "equality" is referring to the authority and power Jesus had
AdyMiles 2 years ago
So you are saying that Jesus wasn't God, but had the authority of God?
How does that make sense?
CASSMAN777 2 years ago
How does it not make sense?
AdyMiles 2 years ago
did Jesus ever say that he was God, or did he ever tell us to worship him or his father, you need to read the entire chapter of John 17
leoncrowell 2 years ago
(a) No, He only ever claimed to be the Son of God and Son of man (b) He told us to worship His Father
However, once He was glorified, He could be worshipped as God, for He now bears the Name of God at the right hand of God
AdyMiles 2 years ago
well not according to 1cor 15:27 where it says "God has put all things under his Jesus authority (of course, when it says "all things are under his authority, "that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) when all things are under God's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, so that God, who gave his son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
do you see how that works, Jesus is the head of all things until the last enemy death is brought to a finish then the messiah will subject himself to his father so his father can become all things to everyone. The scriptures are very clear on who is the role of the messiah and his purpose for coming to the earth.
leoncrowell 2 years ago
You sound like your muslim.
October31st1517 2 years ago
No I'm not muslim I am a servant of the most high Yahweh, and of his son Yahoshua
leoncrowell 2 years ago
That was a great video series
agentorangetechno 2 years ago
I'm confused on what is the point of this video. Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe in the trinity? What position is the video suppose to be showing?
wackzingo 2 years ago
You cannot believe in the trinity without believing that Jesus is God. The point of the video is that Jesus is God, but He is NOT the Father,
October31st1517 2 years ago
Oh...that's what I thought you posted this for but wasn't sure.
wackzingo 2 years ago
That would make the Father NOTGod!!
JWinCT 2 years ago
Funny ending. "Spanked." lol.
Anakrino 2 years ago
Furthermore, the Trinity rests on the concept that the three persons each hold different offices when 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Romans 8:9 speak of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST acting in the office that you designate for the Holy Spirit, in prophesy and in indwelling. Also, Jesus told his followers that the Spirit of the Father would speak through them.
That pretty much says it all. God is a (singular) Spirit (John 4:24).
Try defining person- it means 'self-existence'. Try God MANIFEST, not persons.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Jesus isn't the true God. What amazes me is how both Trinitarians and Oneness/Modalists got it all wrong and fight each other not realizing they basically got the same nonsense for beliefs.
There isn't even a single passage in the entire Bible that demonstrates that Jesus is the true God.
Feel free to watch my videos. Thanks for your time. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
This is all simple knowledge. Doesn't make me go "hmmm" at all. If you look carefully at verse 9-10 you'll notice that the Father speaks through him and that the Father abides in him.
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Mark, while I respect you as a person, you lose credibility with each video you make. Rather than discussing doctrine with the well learned, you tend to pick less knowledgeable people and exploit them.
Like ProphecyChannel said, why don't you try and pick on David Bernard?
By the way, if you believe in the Trinity then you believe God spoke to himself in John 17. You believe one of God's personalities spoke to another one of God's personalities. Its beginning to sound a lot like Tritheism.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Jesus is love
simone56 2 years ago
great video oct ur such a heretic :P
KempoJoe87 2 years ago
That music is crazy Mark!
skalapunk 2 years ago
For the Jesus Oness Guys. Jesus was praying to Himself in John 17??? And in Garden of Gethsemane??. Then the great commission Matt28:19 In the name of the Father the Son in Holy Spirit. 1john 5:7 The three that bare witness in heaven.
I see another turkey to drop. Gobble gobble.
God Bless
Danny
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
1st John 5:7 doesn't say "the word" and whatnot as the KJV says. That is a forgery. I would suggest you learn the history behind it.
And every scholar doubts that Matthew 28:19 said "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Rather, they all say, that it originally said "In my name."
Yuratchka 2 years ago
What textual evidences do we have for doubting Matthew 28:19? EVERY scholar? Wow. If you mean SOME scholars (most being liberal , probably in the evolution of religion paradigm), then possibly. But I can find scholars that support the most crazy of ideas. I don't really think that Matt 28 is a consensus ;-)
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
Well, here's a document of mine concerning Matthew 28:19:
h t t p : / / messiahistism . bravehost . com / Matthew2819 . htm
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Point is that using such a doubted passage to support some invented "triune god" is not very wise. Make sure to watch my videos. Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Great interaction
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
But since we are not interacting in any meaningfull way I might as well post this
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damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
One, it does. Two, what scholars are these? 1John 2:20-23 the spirit of Anti Christ denies the Father and the Son. Jesus did not say what he said. In the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit?
Ugh!, I can not deal with anyone who deceives himself so. Here is something very profound. But it may be to Wonderful for you comprehend Judges 3-5. Deborah, Barak, Abinoam. If you interpret the names. You Get the little Word, Father of Beauty, and the HolyGhost, But dark minds can not perceive.
Cya!
simplydannygirl 2 years ago
So many words in vain. Jesus isn't the true God nor is he the Father.
Go watch my videos and look through my website in my profile.
Thanks for your concern. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
We all know that Mr. McCalip is not exactly on the ball but when are you going to stop making fun of him?
The simple fact is, you have singled him out and your continuing to try and humiliate him. How about picking on David Bernard? Why? Because he is not an easy target.
There are many with different theological views but your presentation is nothing short of unchristian.
I urge you as a brother in Christ to think it over.
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago
Awesome! I love this part of the series.
vekl 2 years ago
Excellent!
ProclaimHisWord 2 years ago
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theheat151 2 years ago
Is it that hard to see that Yeshua is not YHWH?
Shalom & Agape
theheat151 2 years ago
Well, Yeshua IS YHVH, but He's not the Father, He is distinct from the Father
AgApE010 2 years ago 2
Wouldn't the Father be YHWH and the Son be Yeshua?
I've seen where people say "Yeshua is YHWH", but wouldn't be more appropriate to say "Yeshua is Adonai" like it says in Psalms 110?
theheat151 2 years ago
Well, the term Adonai means "Master", so yes that would be appropriate to say of Yeshua as well (and it is used of Him). But YHVH is also used of Him in the NT. For example, I'm sure you know that when the English Bible translates YHVH, it writes it out as "LORD". The NT takes this word and applies it to Yeshua on a couple of occasions, one of which being Hebrews 1:10.
AgApE010 2 years ago
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This is the problem I have with the NT. In the Tanakh, you can clearly differentiate when YHWH is used or when Adonai is used, but you can't do the same in the NT because "Lord" is always kurios.
The only time I know when YHWH is used in the NT, is when Yeshua recites the Shema in Mark 12. How can you tell tho?
theheat151 2 years ago
If the authors of Scripture uses the application of the word kurios (adonai) to Jesus when drawing from OT passages where the adonai in question, is the tetragrammaton. Like Rom 10:13 (also; compare 10:9) where the kurios in the OT is used of Yahweh.
Or Hebrews 1:8-14 is another good example. Here we have Scriptures from the Septuagint identifying Jesus as God and then we have a citation of Psalm 102 applied to Jesus, but when reading the Psalm we see that it is indeed talking about Yahweh.
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
You don't even understand Romans 10:13. In verse 13 he is quoting what he previously said in verse 9: "because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Also, the actual Hebrew of Psalm 45:6-7 says "Your throne is from ELOHIM." And the oldest manuscript of Hebrews 1:8 says "THEOS is your throne."
Make sure to watch my videos. Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Yes, he is refering back to vers 9 (hence the same Lord is in view in v.13) but this is a clear allusion (or rather a quote from) to Joel 2:32
The Hebrew can be translated Your throne O GOd just like the greek. But even if that was not the case the author of Hebrews is not using the Hebrew scriptures here but the LXX.
The oldest manuscript of Hebrews 1:8 reads in English? Which manuscript are you referring to? As far as I know of we don't have a textual variation on that part of the verse
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
And also "God is your throne" would look the same in Greek as "Your throne O' God" so it can't really be that much of a variation in the oldest manuscript (also; evidence please?) It seems you have really studied the issue at hand. ;O)
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
Ummm, I sent you the video concerning Hebrews 1:8.
h t t p : / / messiahistism . bravehost . com / Psalm45 . htm
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I would post these myself (that's my website) but you can only post so much in the comments.
Ummm, no, it is not. I refer you to:
h t t p : / / messiahistism . bravehost . com / Romans10 . htm
Delete the spaces.
Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
"How can you tell tho?"
In 1 Peter 2:4-8, for example, an old testament passage is used to describe the Christ, and the OT passage is from Isaiah 8:14. And when Isaiah wrote it, he spoke of YHVH.
Also the Baptist said that he is the one who came to "make straight the way of the LORD", and he was speaking of Jesus thereby calling Jesus LORD or YHVH.
AgApE010 2 years ago
If Yeshua is YHWH then would he not be the Father then? The Father is clearly YHWH.
In Proverbs 30:4 it asks what is the Father's name, and what is his son's name.
theheat151 2 years ago
The name YHVH is used of both the Father and the Son, but they are still distinct. It is used of the Holy Spirit as well, read Hebrews 3:7-11 and then Psalm 95.
However this isn't to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same PERSON, because Scripture makes a distinction between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Just that the divine name is used of each person of the Trinity.
AgApE010 2 years ago
So Agape10, do you believe that God has three personalities, three wills, and three minds?
I also ask you of the origin of the word and concept Trinity, when the terminology of 'three seperate persons, eternal Son, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, etc." was first seen. When exactly?
Colossians 2:9: For in Jesus dwelt the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD bodily.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Murray, God is three persons, however there is never any disagreement or argumentation within the Trinity. There is perfect harmony.
"I also ask you of the origin of the word and concept Trinity"
The argument that you're trying to use here is irrelevant. What is the origin of the term "saving grace"? Or how about the term "common grace"? These terms aren't found in the Bible, but the Bible clearly makes a distinction between saving grace and common grace.
AgApE010 2 years ago
"Colossians 2:9: For in Jesus dwelt the FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD bodily. "
Is this verse supposed to contradict the Trinity? Paul is saying the fullness of the entire being of God is in the Man Christ Jesus. For this reason Jesus can say "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father" and in another place "I will send you ANOTHER helper" (parakletos, speaking of the Holy Spirit)....
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AgApE010 2 years ago
Watch my Colossians 2 video. It doens't prove a trinity nor even that Jesus is supposedly "god."
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Lets see, now you pose that the Son and the Holy Spirit are seperate persons using John 14:16. Read two more verses.
John 14:18: I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
"John 14:18: I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU."
...At His Second Coming.
"So in the Trinity, Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet he says that the Father is greater than him."
Not just in the Trinity doctrine, in the Bible itself Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet He says that the Father is greater than Him, not in Deity, but in glory and rank, because Jesus had humbled Himself and taken the form of a bond-servant (Phil. 2:5-11) and He was about to be killed on a cross
AgApE010 2 years ago
Try addressing the fulness of my comment.
The Trinity rests on the concept that the three persons each hold different offices when 1 Peter 1:10-11 and Romans 8:9 speak of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST acting in the office that you designate for the Holy Spirit, in prophesy and in indwelling. Also, Jesus told his followers that the Spirit of the Father would speak through them.
That pretty much says it all. God is a (singular) Spirit (John 4:24).
Try defining person- it means 'self-existence'.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Then how is the bible student to interpret John 6:46?
October31st1517 2 years ago
Responding to one question with another question is what I call a 'cop out'. If you don't answer my question, then why should I answer yours?
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
I like you and respect you. But just be honest if you don't have an answer. There are many things I can't explain.
October31st1517 2 years ago
Well, it would be wise to cross-reference scripture to avoid taking it out of context. In terms of speaking of seeing God, I would refer to Colossians 1:15 which speaks of Jesus being the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. You could also refer to John 1:1 and 1 Timothy 3:16.
You wanted a scholarly method and it is the best method I know besides direct revelation from God (Matthew 16:17).
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
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...But do not forget passages such as where Jesus says to Mary Magdalene "I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God" and in another place in that same Gospel "the Father is greater than I", whereas Jesus certainly isn't claiming not be Deity or to be less than the Father, but certainly is making a clear distinction between Himself and His Father (and He distinguishes Himself from the Holy Spirit as well in other places).
AgApE010 2 years ago
So three beings? Three gods?
Yuratchka 2 years ago
One being, three persons
damildlyshreddah 2 years ago
Define "being" and "person."
No such thing in the scriptures.
Who's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to Acts 3:13?
Yuratchka 2 years ago
So in the Trinity, Jesus is co-equal with the Father yet he says that the Father is greater than him.
The distinction is between God and the temple of the Holy Spirit, which is the fleshly body of Christ. The distinction is between the humanity and the deity.
Jesus said:
Tear down THIS temple (speaking of HIS body) and I WILL RAISE IT UP IN THREE DAYS
You say that Jesus a third of the Godhead, but Colossians 2:9 says that the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus bodily.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Jesus isn't the Father nor is Jesus the true God. Go watch my video concerning Colossians 2, and feel free to make comments.
Thanks for your time. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Yuratchka, if you can't see that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God, you are in no position to do a proper exegesis of any passage and you fail at speaking about the Bible.
Besides that, I've surely already heard your argument from the mouths of Jehovahs Witnesses and other lost souls who don't understand the Scriptures.
And finally, tell me what this verse says:
..Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ... ...by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ
-2 Peter 1:1
AgApE010 2 years ago
You have no skills to debate me. =P
Yuratchka 2 years ago
pride comes before a fall.Remember its not about winning a debate.Its about knowing HIM personally.
malachi456love 2 years ago
Confidence and pride are two different things.
Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Yes it is,but make sure that your not the latter.What debate our you trying to win,if i may ask
malachi456love 2 years ago
By the way, concerning Titus 2:13 and 2nd Peter 1:1-2:
h t t p : / / messiahistism . bravehost . com / Titus2Peter . htm
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In fact, do yourself a favor and read through all the documents so I won't be wasting the comment space.
Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Yuratchka, I just read the first part of the argument given on the website and the person who wrote that up is ignorant of the Greek text. Peter and Paul both use the term "God and Savior Jesus Christ" (τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ·). There is a rule in the Greek language called "Granville Sharp's rule" which says that if you have two nouns separated with a "καὶ" ("καὶ" is the word 'and')...
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AgApE010 2 years ago
(continued) ...and the first noun has the definite article in front of it (note the "τοῦ", which is "the" in front of "Θεοῦ", God) and the second noun doesn't have an article (the word "σωτῆρος", Savior, does not have an article in front of it) then both the words are referring to the subject, namely ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ, Jesus Christ. So these verses clearly teach that Jesus is God. Repent and believe in Him, the true Jesus.
AgApE010 2 years ago
Yuratchka, it is also important to note that the same sentence structure is used in 2 Peter 1:11 where Peter calls Jesus "...our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..". So here you have the same thing as with 2 Peter 1:1 where the word "Lord" (τοῦ Κυρίου) has the article in front of it, and "Savior" (σωτῆρος) does not, and they are separated with a "καὶ" therefore both the words "Lord" and "Savior" are referring to Jesus Christ.... (continued in next comment)
AgApE010 2 years ago
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However, no one who denies the deity of Christ argues that this verse (2 Peter 1:11) refers to two different persons, they readily admit that both "Lord" and "Savior" speak of Jesus. But they argue against other verses that have the same exact sentence structure that say "God and Savior", thereby they show that they are hypocrites just trying to twist the verses that contradict their false theology.
AgApE010 2 years ago
Note: ...Just to elaborate on Granville Sharp's rule fully (I didn't have room on the other comments), it states thus:
"Granville Sharp's rule states that when you have two nouns, which are not proper names (such as Cephas, or Paul, or Timothy), which are describing a person, and the two nouns are connected by the word "and," (καὶ) and the first noun has the article ("the") while the second does not, *both nouns are referring to the same person*."
AgApE010 2 years ago
No because in essence you are saying Jesus is A god, and not THE GOD. Thats why we speak english and not hebrew or greek. We understand that in the greek or hebrew or whatever, Adonai, can mean a god or judge.
Jesus is YHWH or in english, THE GOD, not A god.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
These two statements of your's show me that you do not even understand Hebrew to begin with.
ADONAI is the plural for ADON. ADON simply means MASTER.
YHVH doesn't mean "THE GOD" since Hebrew doesn't even have a word for the English word "God" where we look up the word "God" in the dictionary.
ADONAI doesn't mean "GOD" nor "JUDGE."
Yuratchka 2 years ago
Yes, my mistake, I meant Elohim, but thats not what He said.
And you misunderstood what I said. I did not say YHWH means "The God", I meant in english we understand that YHWH is "THE GOD".
Either way, Jesus is God.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
You want some truth? There isn't a single Hebrew word that has the English defition of "God." Not EL, not ELOAH, not ELOHIM. There is none.
So, next time you see the word "God" in Tanach (or "old testament") understand that it is mere interpretation.
Yuratchka 2 years ago
I'll take the Truth fomr Jesus Christ, thanks.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
LOL, you mean you'll take your personal interpretation not to mention the interpretation of who ever translated your Bible version. =P
Take care. =)
Yuratchka 2 years ago
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brainouty 2 years ago
LOL @ Zach
Great video brother God bless you!
AgApE010 2 years ago
Hope ya dont mind me asking, but what's the song being played in this video?
Coyne1988 2 years ago
Excellent video Mark! Mark was really exegeting John 1:18 as well. The only begotten God has declared, manifested, explained, revealed or exegeted the Father to us who have NEVER seen the Father. Good work!
Blogrich55 2 years ago