The Sinking Friendship - The End of All Relations

[Kuzya3k]

Amazing - thanks for these forgivenesses - I was having problems viewing friendships. Thanks gabe.

[DDisHereasOne]

This is really cool Gabriel, thanks.

[BramLangmans]

... en uw vrienden zijn u; gij bent uzelf en iemand anders, u w zelf is iemand anders; dat is iets waar ge mee moet leren leven, en nie iets da ge zomaar weg kunt willen. Please, kom eens met uw voeten terug op de wereld en let's kick some ass together. Waarom moogt ge bij Desteni geen vrienden hebben denkt ge? Wees eens eerlijk tegen u zelf...

Veel liefs,

Bram

[Maitemzm]

"Ik weet ni wie ik ben. Oh nee, ik moet een beeld en definitie hebben van mijzelf om iemand te zijn!

Ik ben ni goed genoeg. Oh nee, ik moet een beeld en definitie creëren van mijzelf da zegt dat ik goed genoeg ben!

Okay, ik heb een beeld en definitie gecreëerd voor mijzelf waar ik mee kan leven. Shit, ma ik weet dat ik da zelf gecreëerd heb en dat het dus een illusie en een leugen is. Fuck.

[Maitemzm]

Oh wacht, ik weet het! Ik zal ervoor zorgen dat anderen mij zien en definiëren zoals ik wil zijn. En als zij geloven dat hun beeld en definitie da zij van mij hebben echt is, dan kan ik mij definiëren volgens hoe zij mij zien. Oh, brilliant, let's do this."

What the fuck?

[BramLangmans]

Hey Gabriël, ge weet dat ik uw overtuigingen respecteer en al; maar tees is er echt gewoon over. Vlucht nu het nog kan ofzo. Want wees eerlijk tegen u zelf: als tees nie de evil propaganda van één of andere gevaarlijke totalitaire sekte is... Trouwens, uw zelf is gevormd uit de alienatie van uzelf ten opzichte van het zelf; anders was er geen onderscheid tussen het Ik en het Andere, en dus is de oplossing nie om op zoek te gaan naar u 'echte, ongecorumpeerde zelf': ge zijt uw vrienden,...

[newearthnow]

Thanks for sharing!

[dervishmadwhirler]

Wonwithall, you fail to understand that you give away your ulterior motive for coming here by not reading anything but just attacking (haha yeh right) at random some things that obviously are over your head. I bet you have trouble sitting still for more than the time it takes to write the comments you do write. Attention deficiency? ADHD? PDD-NOS?

Obviously you have some personal issues that need resolving. Like getting rid of your jealousy, and such. Youa re clesrly seeking negative attention

[wonwithall]

well thanks for giving me what I seek. LOL

[dervishmadwhirler]

Glad to oblige ;)

[wonwithall]

"We are not to judge others, meaning to condemn their soul, but we must wisely judge ALL behavior and actions"

the scribe of Esu Immanuel (Jesus)

[dervishmadwhirler]

Start quoting jesus and I will start quoting Saruman. Or Sauron even. Or Gandalf; "This IS the one ring; wraught in the fires of Mount Doom, taken from the hand of the dark lord Sauron by Isildur himself" There, antoher STORY quote.

[dervishmadwhirler]

But at least NOW I know why you persist in your anger; you have been programmed by the Jesus-sect. The sect that is directly confirming and empowering their dark lord Satan. ^^

[wonwithall]

Jesus is no different then you and me other then the fact he lived his life for a cause that had nothing to do with himself. The people who distorted his message and claims are very similar to what others say about the portal that she never says about herself. So if christianity ruined Jesus, you are ruining Desteni. peace be with you all.

[dervishmadwhirler]

Your reasoning is warped. This is the last time I'll oblige your need to disagree. Jesus never existed.

[wonwithall]

i have to post here becuase I am blocked from posting to Desteni's videos. Can someone for once explain why you guys beleive in a girl who claims she is and interdimensional portal and why you hope that her advice is going to change this world????? How do you know its not total BS?

[gabrielietsanders]

in essence its not about the claim that she is a portal or even about the dimensional beings. What I SEE is that self forgfiveness makes transcendence possible, because I apply it and see myself change - this goes for any being who has dedicated themselves through self forgiveness. it is an actual SEEING what is HERE - seeing who you are beyond the perceptions

[wonwithall]

in essence it is all about the claim. one lie ruins all credibility. And as for self forgiveness, thats the easy way out, i choose to not limit myself to foregiveness in my own mind (self-foregiveness), I will ask others for foregiveness. That is standing up my friends.

[dervishmadwhirler]

That is not standing up, my spiteful friend, that is echoing an echo of an echo of an echo of an echo of an echo..of an, enfin, you get my point here. Why bother convincing any of us if you dont at least half believe... ^^

Just let us be 'crazy' and begone, I begin to see why you were blocked from her channel; what about fulmigating against stupoid christians on their channel?Why not 'expose' the 'lies' of the Muslems on their channels? Lets face it,you half believe her eh? Not lost at all yet.

[gabrielietsanders]

asking others forgiveness is just because you feel guilty or because you want to manipulate the other - this is not standing up at all

[wonwithall]

if you are humble you feel bad if you harmed another whether intentional or not. Nothing wrong with feeling guilty its your compass for being a decent person. Beating yourself up over it is another thing. As for the mad whirler who thinks I am angry, I would ask you to look in the mirror. Im simply pointing out that I believe the Portal is faked, your the one angry about it.

[dervishmadwhirler]

You,wonwithall, I think, are blinded by the fact that you do not understand that she is merely:

a) A projection of your self, as you created this world and all its phenomena.

b) Placing a mirror in front of your eyes about the pieces of your self that are not integrated in you.

You seem to actually be angry at her for presenting you a personified picture of your inner fears. I think you must understand that whatever you dont integrate into yourself will appear in the world...

[dervishmadwhirler]

... as a person/phenomenon reflecting it back at you.

[wonwithall]

nope, i just dont like liars and this world has alot of them. Using whatever they can to promote themselves. Anyone to make the claims about herself while posting hundreds of videos seems to have a need for attention and a ego problem.

[wonwithall]

Should I be surprise that no one can answer the question? Whose going to try it without some way to put the blame back onto me. Its seems very simple and something you all should have come to terms with. Im mean seriously you believe in a interdimentional portal, who speaks to the dead?? WTF and Im the one whose crazy??

[dervishmadwhirler]

Do you think we believe in desteni? We dont believe in desteni, as such, we believe in the truth of what she is saying; get it? The message of what she seems to be channeling. You are stuck in a confrontational mode. DONT belive anything of what desteni says because you are afraid of what she implies if you want, but to think that a 23 year old girl can come up with all this and have a truckload of friends is ridiculous. I have created her in my universe to bring me some facts that I thought I..

[dervishmadwhirler]

...couldnt believe for/about myself. YOU, my friend create your own reality! YOU have total control over it. YOU fail to percieve anything and begrudge her the sense she seems to be channeling for YOU! Stop constantly seeking confrontations and missing the whole message. Jealousy will make you sick inside, dont you feel that?

[dervishmadwhirler]

Yes, actually YOU are crazy for believeing in the reality you perceive as being outside yourself; as everybody, INCLUDING US is crazy.

YOU are quick in wanting confrontation, and I have explaiend to you why I at least look at her videos. Any more questions? Or are you just seeking confrontation to put us down? Coz that is what it certainly looks like. BUT I forgive you as I forgive ME for allowing a MF like you to exist...;)

[wonwithall]

What are you going to say when Desteni tells you the Portal was a fabrication to show you how guilliable you are in believing things in your mind that dont exist here and now in real life. You obvious cant look two steps ahead and obviously suck at chess. LOLOLO>LOLOLOLOL

[dervishmadwhirler]

You really dont read well eh? Didnt I just tell you I believe she is just a figment of my imagination? I bet you really play chess more than get outdoors and breathe some air.

Her channelings are plays to point out some interesting facts about the fears that peole have and do not wish to confront.And ofcourse I dont play chess. I CAN tho, but I think it is the simplest most boring thing a person can do when he is not a kid. competition is childish. Belief is childish.

[OrganicRobotSlayer]

I forgive myself for thinking that the achievements of my friends - could actually add value to how I value me!

I forgive myself for wanting to be friends with people who are clever, able and funny

[michaelfingard]

this is too true. its not surpising though that after sitting in rows at school for 12-16 years we have many layers of unconscious social repression. i think i better watch this again.

[lollypop3laura]

Very interesting and true anough,

[ABIYAH144]

Thank you Gabriel.

[costantman]

I'm agree, but I think it's to general discourse... I think it's possible to find pure friendship, we don't have to loos hope

[dervishmadwhirler]

Hope is the slayer of truth. Hope makes time strong. Hopes make your NOW disappear.

Hope is the worst enemy of the SELF. Hope is fear. Fear is the cause of war.

[costantman]

you're too pessimistic, how can you live without hope?

[dervishmadwhirler]

Why hope? Is there not the moment? Hope is a projection of rescue in the future...the future does not exist, that is not pessimism!

I am in the moment and that is the only thing there is. YOU crteate your relity, you created the universe, why believe in that projection over the SELF you are, damn must I constantly remind you that you have total control and can create whatever the fork you wish or need?

[costantman]

I like what you say, but I said hope to mention open mind in world: accept that we are alone, but without renegading the friendship, I think it's somtething that exist if you find right persons

[dervishmadwhirler]

Friendship is a 'nice' thing, as long as you are fully aware that you are a friend to a part of your SELF, which you do not integrate into yourself. Remember that to be rid of this world as we know it now, we should first let go of it. Which actually would imply letting go to the 'anchor' of friends, coz they anchor us to this world as we know it. To not have hope doesnt mean to despair. Hope and despair are, both, sides of the same phenomenon, in duality.

[TearsAndRane23]

It won't work

:S