Is the avg PA that much smarter than the MD that he/she learns the same info in 2yrs, compared to at least 7yrs for the MD? Highly doubtful. Granted, there r shitty, avg and excellent individuals across the entire spectrum of health providers. But, the MD usually has the most in depth knowledge, and this may only become apparent in the complicated and complex cases. PAs with yrs of experience would have seen it all, and experience is certainly the best teacher.
Average salary of a family Physician is 150k or even lower. If you want to use the term 'physician', which includes surgeons, etc. Then yes the avg salary is going to be higher. If I was getting paid 80k working for a doctor I would be out the door and working elsewhere because that is the low end of a starting wage. PA's are making greater than 100k now and that is with only 2 years of schooling. Sounds like you're bitter about a rising profession compared to a declining one..
I wouldn't trade the knowledge and memories of the bad old days of studying for the world. I do relief work, and I make a fine some of money despite that.
If you're in it for the money. you're in it for the wrong reasons.
I've never met a post-residency Dr. that makes less than 150k. Perhaps in more rural areas, or perhaps they're averaging in salaries of Physicians doing internships and residencies, which are about 40k. Once more, I'd do it all again.
The way everyone around here is commenting, it sounds like they want in for the money. That in itself is dangerous.
@LuckyDukeSeven Buts its true. The NP's and PA's want the same paycheck and status as real doctors that went to medical school. Thats absurd. There are no shortcuts in medicine.
So you are actually cheering that US citizens get NP's and PA's instead of Physicians? Less quality at the same price and we should be happy about that?
NPs also use a medical model. This is why you see accelerated nurse practitioner programs that accept students from different career pathways. They work towards their RN which is based on the nursing model, then work towards the NP that focuses on the medical model. This is clearly evident because NP's diagnose and prescribe. NO nursing model is solely going to prepare the NP to practice in this way. Just saying...
true, true. i hate the fact that PAs are defined by MDs, PA is an awesome field, but they will always be held down by MDs, whereas NPs are defined by very serious women whose goal is to make DNPs equal to or greater than MDs. not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, just different, but of course i would say that being in FNP school
@DeepCrimson the nursing model is based on holistic care, I mean psychosocial basically. while this characteristic can be downplayed as inconsequential in your care, it is amazing how little some MDs may know about how patients respond to proposed interventions. However, as an FNP student, I would prefer an MDs knowledge of medicine over an FNP, considering they go to medical school and learn the human body to the biochemical level. But if I have an anxiety fueled problem or STD, give me an FNP
No disrespect, but that's a terrible description of PA school. PA school is the streamlined-superficial version of medical school, that teaches basic patient care and methods of conveying information to physicians. Nothing condensed about it. Medical School is already condensed. You can't condense it anymore. It'll drive the students nuts.
@LuckyDukeSeven this is the type of comment that fuels the false perception of NPs and PAs that some people have. Why would MDs create a profession that necessitates their input to provide care? PAs go to school to treat patients, their curriculum is not designed to tell a doctor what they think, it is designed to allow them to treat patients.
No, my comment is correct. Medical School and PA school are INCOMPARABLE. Calling PA school "Condensed Medical School" implies that it IS Medical School. It's not. There was a PA school where I went to school (for medicine) and I was a test administrator twice. There's no comparison.
PA's are necessary. MD's and DO's can't tire themselves with every little thing. PA's are the perfect fit for a family doctor team- however, from working with them, they're clearly NOT Physicians.
Medical school and PA school are actually VERY comparable. We get taught 75% or more on what exactly med students get taught. Obviously you both don't know what you are talking about when it comes to PA's.
@teamjohntiger - Have you even met 100 PA's? I intern at a hospital where I actually come in contact with doctors, nurses, and PA's. Nobody is as egotistical as you imply. They serve different functions, and they help make health care more accessible to more patients.
And yes, doctors are very highly trained and I have a very high regard for them. But they wouldn't be able to take care of patients without the help of everybody else on their health care team.
Thanks for the videos coach! There's some great advice collected here. I wanted to through out one other difference between PAs and NPs. My understanding is that NPs have to pick a field of specialty and can only practice in that field (pediatrics, critical care, primary care, etc) whereas a PA has no such restriction. Is that right?
Is the avg PA that much smarter than the MD that he/she learns the same info in 2yrs, compared to at least 7yrs for the MD? Highly doubtful. Granted, there r shitty, avg and excellent individuals across the entire spectrum of health providers. But, the MD usually has the most in depth knowledge, and this may only become apparent in the complicated and complex cases. PAs with yrs of experience would have seen it all, and experience is certainly the best teacher.
foxychocho 2 days ago
Average salary of a family Physician is 150k or even lower. If you want to use the term 'physician', which includes surgeons, etc. Then yes the avg salary is going to be higher. If I was getting paid 80k working for a doctor I would be out the door and working elsewhere because that is the low end of a starting wage. PA's are making greater than 100k now and that is with only 2 years of schooling. Sounds like you're bitter about a rising profession compared to a declining one..
Balla0220 3 months ago
@Balla0220
I wouldn't trade the knowledge and memories of the bad old days of studying for the world. I do relief work, and I make a fine some of money despite that.
If you're in it for the money. you're in it for the wrong reasons.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@Balla0220
I've never met a post-residency Dr. that makes less than 150k. Perhaps in more rural areas, or perhaps they're averaging in salaries of Physicians doing internships and residencies, which are about 40k. Once more, I'd do it all again.
The way everyone around here is commenting, it sounds like they want in for the money. That in itself is dangerous.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago 3
@LuckyDukeSeven Buts its true. The NP's and PA's want the same paycheck and status as real doctors that went to medical school. Thats absurd. There are no shortcuts in medicine.
Ouweschoolrap 8 hours ago
@Balla0220
So you are actually cheering that US citizens get NP's and PA's instead of Physicians? Less quality at the same price and we should be happy about that?
I'll take an MD over a NP or PA every day.
Ouweschoolrap 8 hours ago
NPs also use a medical model. This is why you see accelerated nurse practitioner programs that accept students from different career pathways. They work towards their RN which is based on the nursing model, then work towards the NP that focuses on the medical model. This is clearly evident because NP's diagnose and prescribe. NO nursing model is solely going to prepare the NP to practice in this way. Just saying...
CoCoaIgboko 3 months ago
true, true. i hate the fact that PAs are defined by MDs, PA is an awesome field, but they will always be held down by MDs, whereas NPs are defined by very serious women whose goal is to make DNPs equal to or greater than MDs. not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, just different, but of course i would say that being in FNP school
Svoboda1234 4 months ago
The next question is what is the medical model like and what is the nursing model?
DeepCrimson 5 months ago
@DeepCrimson the nursing model is based on holistic care, I mean psychosocial basically. while this characteristic can be downplayed as inconsequential in your care, it is amazing how little some MDs may know about how patients respond to proposed interventions. However, as an FNP student, I would prefer an MDs knowledge of medicine over an FNP, considering they go to medical school and learn the human body to the biochemical level. But if I have an anxiety fueled problem or STD, give me an FNP
Svoboda1234 4 months ago
"...Taking medical school and condensing it.."
No disrespect, but that's a terrible description of PA school. PA school is the streamlined-superficial version of medical school, that teaches basic patient care and methods of conveying information to physicians. Nothing condensed about it. Medical School is already condensed. You can't condense it anymore. It'll drive the students nuts.
LuckyDukeSeven 6 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven this is the type of comment that fuels the false perception of NPs and PAs that some people have. Why would MDs create a profession that necessitates their input to provide care? PAs go to school to treat patients, their curriculum is not designed to tell a doctor what they think, it is designed to allow them to treat patients.
Svoboda1234 4 months ago 2
@Svoboda1234
No, my comment is correct. Medical School and PA school are INCOMPARABLE. Calling PA school "Condensed Medical School" implies that it IS Medical School. It's not. There was a PA school where I went to school (for medicine) and I was a test administrator twice. There's no comparison.
PA's are necessary. MD's and DO's can't tire themselves with every little thing. PA's are the perfect fit for a family doctor team- however, from working with them, they're clearly NOT Physicians.
LuckyDukeSeven 4 months ago
Medical school and PA school are actually VERY comparable. We get taught 75% or more on what exactly med students get taught. Obviously you both don't know what you are talking about when it comes to PA's.
Balla0220 3 months ago
@Balla0220
I'm a Physician who works with PA's. They are incomparable, and no, they do not learn 75% of what we're taught in Medical School.
As I said- PA's are fine. But they're no where near physicians. Resident Physicians are typically much more prepared than they are- which make sense.
It's the reason PA's make 80K and the average physician makes 200K.
LuckyDukeSeven 3 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven YOU ARE DUMB UNEDUCATED CUNT!!!!!! UNPROFESSIONAL AND DUMB
medicalterrylove2 2 months ago
@medicalterrylove2
Thanks, you seem like you're a very professional/respectable person.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@teamjohntiger: Not true. That is a very ignorant statement.
aligned576 7 months ago
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Both are fucking retards that think they know more than doctors. Be afraid of these people. Only 1 in 100 is actually any good.
teamjohntiger 8 months ago
@teamjohntiger - Have you even met 100 PA's? I intern at a hospital where I actually come in contact with doctors, nurses, and PA's. Nobody is as egotistical as you imply. They serve different functions, and they help make health care more accessible to more patients.
And yes, doctors are very highly trained and I have a very high regard for them. But they wouldn't be able to take care of patients without the help of everybody else on their health care team.
dodikins 7 months ago
Thanks for the videos coach! There's some great advice collected here. I wanted to through out one other difference between PAs and NPs. My understanding is that NPs have to pick a field of specialty and can only practice in that field (pediatrics, critical care, primary care, etc) whereas a PA has no such restriction. Is that right?
sealer04 9 months ago