Red Alert: Second Seal of Revelation Aug 10, 2008

[MrBalhblah]

@MrBalhblah Only by the spirit and grace of God can we interprot

[MrBalhblah]

Only by the spirit and grace of God can we interprit

[17seventySIX]

Our government in the US is under the control of the ILLUMINATTI....We are screwed because any demonstrators will be put into one of the FEMA camps that are now being maned and given a mark....The dollar and world currency will go to zero and our number will allow us to buy food for our kids...We are being poisened by our food and flourinated water NOW!! Buy an HEIRLOOM seed vault for everyone you know this Christmas please. Food shortages all around the world today!! Encourage community & PLAN

[deltaalpha21074]

Yeah if he nukes both Isreal and all OIL FIELDS in Saudi Arabia --He wastes all that OIL The World is doomed... even if he nukes the Straight of Hormuth cause no Oil Tankers get in or out and then Gasoline would shoot through the roof....so serious is this risk I am converting to E-85 now!

[nick83366650]

What rubbish, you can intemperate anything in the bible any way you want. I would define a prophecy as something that states a specific time or at least a rough estimate if it doesn't any passage like the one your read can be interpreted as some random event in the next billion years.

[webreakr2]

The Counsil on Foreign Relations "CFR" has made it there goal to have a North American Union established by 2010. This cannot happen as of right now. Something dramatic is going to have to happen before it can be implemented.

[webreakr2]

I do understand what you are saying. However I cant get it out of my mind that something very bad is going to happen this year. I try not to dwell on it but I just cant get it out of my mind. I have never had a feeling like this before. It doesnt help that I dont really have anyone in real life that I can talk to this about. I dont go to church anymore. I dont even own a bible anymore. Its just stressing me out

[webreakr2]

The reason I ask this is becuase I believe it is quite possible that Israel will enter into some sort of peace deal with Palestine sometime next month. If this is indeed the time around which the tribulation starts then we all know that the peace deal will be broken shortly thereafter.

It says in the Bible that after the peace deal/ 2 state solution Isreal is lured into a false sense of peace. Shortly after that Israel is attacked on a massive scale.

[richardperry2]

Keep in mind that the Antichrist does not make a new covenant (treaty), he confirms an existing treaty.

The next treaty will not be the one with the Antichrist, the treaty with the Antichrist will be years from now.

[webreakr2]

I wast just wanting someone to respond ot this. Is it possible that the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seals are all opened within a 1 year period?

[ShannCole888]

Could it be Putin ? the Rider on the Red Horse

[ravenwolf789]

It is my belief there is a two fold operation for the rapture! 1st the sealing of the 144,000 "First annointed ones" rev 7 then the general church 7yrs later.The operation will start at the 1st trumphet with fire/ice from the sky all over the Earth, the 144,000 will help the ones confirmed by them for 7 yrs to rapture with them at the LAST TRUMPHET to meet Christ in the air.The blood sacrifice will end 3.5 yrs into that 7 yr tribulation! although the confirmations will continue for3.5yrs more.

[boltingpuppies]

Sorry, I didn't see this message from you earlier. :) Blessings.

[boltingpuppies]

1)Right, IF the white horse is mentioned. That was scutterbears point, he couldn't find the white horse going to the west, he could only find the black horse going N and the pale horse going S. I told him I could only find it in the NIV but nowhere else. The Richard said to look in the NRSV and the Tanakh. I found it in the NRSV so out of the many, many versions I can only find it in the NIV and NRSV. It is not in the Septuagint which I believe is older and more reliable that the Tahakh.>

[boltingpuppies]

2)I looked in the Tanakh and couldn't find it there. It MUST be in the original manuscripts to be viable. I can't find it. Doesn't mean it's not there, just means I haven't found it while searching dilgently. Scutterbears point was we have to be careful. I see it in the NIV which is why I believed that left one red horse going E BUT the question is, where are the original old texts that these translations come from that will prove the translation is correct? If you have a version of the Tanakh

[boltingpuppies]

3)that has the White horse going West, could you please let me know which edition it is? That would put this issue to rest. So far I only have two modern versions, NIV&NRSV, showing the White horse going west. If this was added in anyway by the translators then the white and red horses could go east or west. (Personlly I think the white horse goes W but it doesn't matter what I think. We need accuracy and old proof here.)

[richardperry2]

The ultimate proof will be found in the fulfillment of the Revelation 6 prophesies. Once we see the white and the red horses and riders, then we will know. Watching!

[boltingpuppies]

Angelina,

The word never says the red horse goes to the east. The NIV and NRSV are the only two translations I have found that show the white horse going east. I can not find anything about the direction of the white horse in either the Septuagint or the Tanahk and I trust the Septuagint since it is older. Richard has indicated that he has found the white horse going west in one of the Tanakh translations but you would have to ask him which version. Mine is from the late 1800's or 1917?

[boltingpuppies]

I meant white horse going west! I am still looking for the white horse going west in OLD translations and in original greek or hebrew. So far nada. Doesn't mean it's not in there, I just haven't found it. AND I LOOK for these kind of things. Blessings and let me know if and where you find it.

[Hubey19]

Zechariah 6:6 does not Mention the REd Horse,, Russia is a more Likely Candidate for the Second King of the Second Seal, the United States was The First,China the THird, And the Antichrist arises out of Rome for the Fourth and terrible reign,,

[scutterbear]

Richard - what bible are you useing? I have checked both king james and NIV and neither one of them say where the red horse are going into. (zechariah 6:6) It only mentions that they are part of the four chariots but give no further detail as to where they are headed.

I dont disagree with you about the urgency of the current situation with Iran. I just think that if you are using scripture, you need to use it accurately.

[boltingpuppies]

Zech 6: What are these, my lord? The angel replied to me:These are the four spirits of heaven, going forth after standing before the Lord of all the earth with one of which the black horses are going forth to the north country; and the white ones go forth after them, while the dappled ones go forth to the south country.

Four spirits of heaven. One goes north, one goes south. In revelation we see the white goes west. This leaves one spirit and one direction of the heaven: east and red.

[boltingpuppies]

I'm sorry I totally messed up here. It doesn't say west in Revelation. Here is the NIV in Zech 6:

"These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." The one left is the east and red.

[boltingpuppies]

**I can only find the White Horse going West in the NIV translation. All other translations give directions for the Black and Pale horses but not the Red or White horses. I have been relying on the NIV but if that translation is INcorrect then the White and Red horses can go either West or East. I find zero scriptures saying a Red Horse goes East or West. Again, I only see White going West in the NIV trans. I certainly don't want to add to God's word if this translation is incorrect. Blessings

[richardperry2]

Check NRSV and the Hebrew Tanahk English translation.

[boltingpuppies]

I do see the White Horse going West in the NSRV but not in the Tanakh. Perhaps it depends on the year of the English translation of the Tanahk? Still looking.

[boltingpuppies]

I don't see it in my Septuagint. I'm looking for another Tanakh translation.

[hamechicoloft]

Bible pridicted everythings.

Bible has already told you to whom you should vote.

Bible has already told about using condom, gay marriage and everythings.

You do not need to send your chidren to school or university.

Scientist found creation of world was not happened in 6 days, it took millions of years.

Do not listen to some pedophile priest.

They justify the same when they wanted to invade Iraq.

[FollowerofYahshua]

A catholic priest or a secular scientist... hmm if you know their fruit there aren't much difference. I choose not to follow either and choose to follow YHWH

[Jesus4MySoul]

no!

the book is telling us what will happen, not what to do or who to invade!

we are christians!

we are not for gay marriage.

priests are catholic, most of us are not catholics.

i hope you're not a muslim because islam justifies pedophilia--abu bakr's daughter ayisha was only 6 when the perverted prophet Mohammed married her. disgusting!

[Jesus4MySoul]

also, i'm a christian

and i have a master's degree, so i'm definetly not stupid!

i'm also a nurse.

i have enough education for 3 people

[agfigueroaa]

2:23 .. quite contrary, I think Iranians are in great danger with the US fleet there. What are they doing there?. The Bush administration is full of Zionists, they are willing to take over Iran.

[FollowerofYahshua]

I follow what you say that there are hands above mere governments of course underneath God and not following God that are playing God to destroy humanity. Iran however still isn't a great nation in terms of it's governing ideals and yes they do want to destroy as well and have that opportunity which could relate to the prophecy. Whether they start it or we do.

[agfigueroaa]

exactly. There is not goverment following God now. I agree.

[Jesus4MySoul]

well, they're a crazy regime of islamofascists who want to take over the world, so it's a good thing you're not in charge.

they want to destroy our ally, yes Israel and then they would like to destroy the USA as he HAS THREATENED US.

he has said that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, then he said that the Satanic regime of the USA's time is nearly up.

we're not going to stand by and let these nuts destroy us, which is what they intend to do.

[agfigueroaa]

Sir, it seems that Iraian President did not say that he wants to wipe Israel off the Map.

do some utube video search and get what he really said.

[Jesus4MySoul]

no i think you need to do some research.

he did in fact say, "wipe israel off the map"

and this is well known by those of us who follow the news.

sorry, but youre wrong.

americans want to defend themselves from the insane dictator Ahmedinejad

[agfigueroaa]

"us who follows the news". Can you point out the source, please?. I have not been able to find it out.

Thanks!

[Jesus4MySoul]

"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth".He told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would be enough to finish off Israel.

[bigmikey1979]

you are wrong. he did not say that. they are all satans puppets regardless. build your faith.

[Jesus4MySoul]

yes he did say it and you need to research it.

just type in "wipe israel off the face of the earth"

into a search and you will find it is true.

i don't know how people don't know this?!

[Jesus4MySoul]

He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." He was addressing a conference titled The World Without Zionism.

do a search on: The Guardian, Thursday October 27 2005

[agfigueroaa]

The Guardian is biased. I will try to find more direct sources of your reference. Told u then what I find.

[Jesus4MySoul]

ok, name your news source that you might prefer, i'll still find it for you in that source.

i challenge you in fact!

[agfigueroaa]

It is not a challenge. I want to know if he really said that.

I will check, in this moment I am on holidays