Amazing how many times shockofgod has been told the answer and still doesn't get it. He is either completely dishonest, or the biggest idiot of our time. What's worse, after he gets his ass handed to him, he goes around claiming victory, making himself look like an even bigger ass. He really doesn't want to know the answer either, which is evident from the fact that he disables ratings and comments on his videos. Shockofgod is the biggest troll on two wheels.
The burden of proof is not solely on the side of the theist, Matt doesn't seem to grasp this, I think he got this rhetoric from R. Dawkins, which is just a twist of semantics. If you were to use the "unicorn in a box" example to analogize the Christian's claim, it is a false analogy. Why? Well, because the God the Christian speaks of associates itself with everyone, so the atheist would have just as much access as the Christian to this "box." So, the "burden of proof" can lie on either side.
@alphaenemy Another similarity is trying to proof me being wrong.. Religious believe they should spread their word. If you try to spread you belief than your doing the same thing religious do...
@alphaenemy You miss understood what I said.. I'm going by believing in what your told vs proof.. Not proof from a scientist but your own.. Such as big bang theory.. If you believe in that while a religious person believes in a creator, you're in the same boat... Blind belief... "Faith" only in humanity though...
Shockofgod is a lying dishonest sack of shit who tries to bend the facts of reality (in his head) so they conform to his beliefs. He is also a sad example of how one can loop his mind and cut it off from ever being able to think for himself rationally. Visit his channel and see how religion really poisons everything.
@SDkawi6 The burden of proof applies to those who believe in the existence of a mystical sky daddy, not those who are skeptical about it. To say atheism is a religion is like calling baldness a hair colour...
The reason shockofgod wears a motorcycle helmet and rides around on a motorbike is so that he isn't recognised or every religious sect would just kick the granny out of him for giving them all a worse name than they already have
@SDkawi6 I suppose you forgot to watch the video before you commented, but it is definitely a LACK of faith. But you are on to something with it being similar to religion.... For example, christians have a lack of belief in all other gods besides their own.... They are really just one logical step away from atheism
People like the shockofgod scare the fuck out of me. These people are insane and we have all seen some of the leaders of this country state that god spoke to them and told them they were chosen. People like this would destroy the world to prove their point, or non point as it were. I have never met a christian who wasn't a two faced, hypocrite, liar. And, my mom is a reverend. She is just as crazy as this motorcycle nutjob.
If he said that it was a BOOK with a unicorn in it, say the King James Version of the bible for instance, well THAT wouldn't be insane at all would it shock.
If the guy on the bike was an atheist he would believe it. If he believes in God he would not believe it. In simple explanations the Unicorn is regarding GOD. God is invisible, you can not feel him but you can hear him. Religion was created by a group of people to stabilize society, these group of people create a story involving a man with incredible power, GOD. This to shock people so they would live in fear from crime, they say he would punish you for criminal actions.
@Battlefcon1 Carrying on... How do i know this? Well it's simple, the powerful person was given a name, a story was made and created (the bible). To back up Atheism, it was told in the bible that god created Earth, life, animals.... However it did not say about Evaluation. Evaluation is a process where life evolves and becomes different species, becoming dominant. Evaluation destroys the story of religion down to the ground, that is what i believe...
@Battlefcon1 There is nor evidence of God exists!!! Physics, biology and chemistry can prove the truth of what created us, life and Earth. THE BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!
@johhnycarlos Why do you liars for Jesus assume anyone will be impressed by your self-imposed ignorance and blatant dishonesty? You cherry-picked a single definition of atheist and pretended that the others do not exist. Are you really so stupid to think anyone will be impressed by that?
Merrim-Webster defines the word atheist thus: "a disbelief in the existence of deity." And that definition is listed before an alternative definition that describes a positive position.
Shockofgod is a moron. What proof and evidence does he have that my invisible third arm doesn't exist, genius? What an idiot. Anyone with a brain is laughing at him, and he's too stupid to realize it.
@tmblefebvre certain lvl of stupidity or cash :) did you ever consider that some "christians" are rich just because they tell little children storys to grown ups? its like job with big paycheck
(sigh). Words of reason come to 'shock' into one ear and out the other while he experiences reverse cycles in his digestive system: up his ass and out his mouth...
There is more purpose to life than the eat, sleep, have sex, and scratch yourself. The blueprints for your existence had an origin. There is something bigger than us, and He gives us glimpses of His personality. Since love is the greatest thing we see, we know that love is the greatest personality trait of the Originator of our existence. That is why we worship God (Love). The story of Christ is the greatest love story ever written, and it just so happens to be true. Read Hebrews 11:1
@caycug1 You're right, there is a lot more to life than those things. I also like to read, spend time with the people that I care about, work, have conversations with others, and spend my time being happy. All without having to believe that any deity exists. Simply because you want or hope something is true doesn't mean that it is. Atheism is pretty clear in that it's a rejection of the things which cannot be proven. And no, I'm sorry, if you think God is love - you haven't read your Bible.
oops i was talking to the shill that follows my postings and I did not mean to actuallly post that. See how he scrambles my letters? It's because 9/11 was computer graphics laid over live tv, and I make postings to tell everyone and 24/7 someone follows what I post aand scrambles and erases what I post. They still can't stop the truth. Look up vicsims to find out about some proof of CGI on 9/11.
oh, good morning shill. hows it feel to be working so early? im sleeping in this am going back to bed afterb I finish my cinnamon sugar rice...have a nic youe time doing ilgal deeds asshole
Wow, how badly could that guy have missed the point of the unicorn in a box. He heard what the statement was and ignored most of it in an idiotic attempt to make athiesm sound stupid. Shockofgod today, you are the king of fools. Nothing sadder then watching and idiot point out how stupid everyone else is. It truely is moronic.
@MrSirwolf2001 No we're not. SoG is more like a comedian who doesn't know he's not funny, and that his 'jokes' are so painfully stupid that you groan in agony while wishing he'll just stop.
@luciferous66 I'm not offended by what you say, mainly because, arrogance runs so bliss on these atheist forums, nothing surprises me anymore. Theres so many misconceptions, so much stereo- typing It's really kind of said to see all these radical atheists spend their time ripping people apart to make themselfs feel superior. Idiots, delusional, insane, all names given to people who are really just using a deity to find meaning and quality in their lives. Theres no respect between us..at all
@luciferous66 It's also insane to believe that religion causes brain Damage. Yes, I saw your video. All 3 of us , myself and both my sisters had gone to church as children. None of us believe that non believers are heading to hell. I myself believe that hell is saved for those evil to the core, without remorse. My oldest sister is atheist, my middle sister is a born again , and I'm Presbyterian. Yet we all believe in evolution and disaprove on Creationsim. Doesn't mean theres no God.
Alabama? Lol...Thats bible central. Your talking die hard Evangelism in that state. I hear they actually have a birthday party for Jesus on Christmas day. I looked up the Amendments on Religious symbolism on government property. It said once it is proven to show religious intent, then it breaks the code. However a Nativity scene or Christmas tree is considered holiday decorations. If theres a sign that says , " Jesus is Lord " It breaks the law. Nativity scenes are legal buddy !!
The evidence in God is quite simple. If you stopped focusing on religious dogma and actually see how much more patience, love, compassion , and grace is in a theists heart, rather then an atheists heart, the proof is right there infront of you. The intolerance alot of you atheists have is an act of self rightiousness. An atheist only deals with absolutes , theories that can be tested. A theist looks beyond those boundaries, because they know there is more then just the physical world.
@Tom6093 So theists look at magical things that someone 2,000 years ago said instead of theories that can actually be tested and observed, and that counts as evidence? I think it's time for you to go praise your wizard and get off of Youtube.
@werebee Science can co- exist with a deity. Science gives a physical theories of how and why things evolve, materialise and so forth. Because it hasn't been successfully tested , a spirtual realm isn't an option for show called logical and reasonable thinkers. You right it off as myth and call us theists delusional for believing in the unproven and what improbable to you. O.K. fine, but... I'm pretty certain , in most cases when someane comes out to be self rightious..their always wrong
@Tom6093 There's nothing logical about basing your beliefs in a book written over 2,000 years ago by people who had nowhere near the knowledge of how the world works that we do now. You follow a primitive religion, and there's no reason for me to respect or give any amount of credence to your belief. You're entitled to whatever belief you want, but expect to be called out on the silliness of it.
@werebee We don't have all the answers. So pre-convieved conclusion based on probability is illogical. You could say you don't believe in God,,, thats cool, but actually calling someane delusional or stupid makes you arrogant. I have showed most of my atheist friends these forums and they pretty much agree with me that some of you are just Atheist trolls looking for attention.
@Tom6093 Atheists don't conclude absolutely that there is no god. But the Christian god, just like all others, makes absolutely no sense when looked at logically. Why would he feel the need to create people in the first place? Because he wanted someone to worship him? Why does he feel the need to punish people for all eternity when they doubt him, and yet tells people that he loves them? If he knows everything that will ever happen, why does he create evil people in the first place?
@werebee Ask yourself this and really think about this, " Why did your parents concieve you ?" If you were a deity.. what would posess you to create living beings,? ( through evolution) Why as human beings do we look to have friends ? Have relationships that head to marriage.. Next question, Your father loves you right ? Now if he were to include you in a will, but you constantly deny his love, mock his existence, break his rules and turn your back on him ....without remorse..con
@Tom6093 To address your first point. If he did it through evolution, did he already know humans were going to be his chosen, and he just sat back and waited the billions of years for the planet to form and for life to evolve to the point where humans came to be? And after that, why did he decide to only reveal himself to a small tribe in the Middle East? Also, according to scriptures, didn't he have angels before he made man? Are you implying that he was lonely?
@Tom6093 To address your second point. There's a big difference between writing a son (who knows you exist and who has no reason to doubt that you love him) out of your will, and sending someone to be in excruciating agony for all eternity. A more fitting analogy would be that a father leaves at your birth, but has several of his friends write up a very long book to leave to you. He doesn't meet you again your entire life, but leaves you in his will if and only if you love him.
@werebee And ignored him your whole life...He still loved you, but what right would you have to the will ? God gives you your whole intire life to make the decision. All he requires is a little faith...a little love...and a committment. When you choose to ignore him, mock him, or not give one thought into ..." Maybe theres more then what this world is" Maybe..It's kinda like turning your back on your own father. He'll give his will to those who appreciated him and what he does.
@Tom6093 Give no thought to his existence? I was raised as a Lutheran. I believed in the Christian god until my late teens. I've put plenty of thought into it.
@Tom6093 Wrong. Theist's don't KNOW there's more than just the physical world, but they love to imagine it, yet have no evidence to support their claims. You also don't KNOW there's more grace, compassion, love or patience in theists, you're simply repeating the rethoric youve been spoonfed in church as an advertising method.
@hellhammerz666 Oh... excuse me....We have theories that there is more then just the physical world. Why come out so self Rightious ? Improbable is actually just saying low chance of something happening or existing. DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN. You people are so unbelievably to sure , theres no God ,your actually coming up with T.V. shows about it. It's really actually sad. Signs on buses, Objection to activity scenes, God on money. Wow... A little supersensitive r we ?
@Tom6093 It's very hard to understand your writing, but I think I gathered enough to argue against it. TV shows where atheists answer calls? What about all the televised church services you can watch? Signs on buses? I've seen billboards saying that people who don't go to church will burn in hell. If you mean Nativity scenes on government property, they aren't legal. The government cannot endorse a particular religion. That goes for "One Nation Under God" on currency as well.
@werebee " Freedom Of Religion" Though maybe our for fathers weren't exactly thrilled with the thiesm, Somehow....In God We Trust is still on our currency. Nativity scenes on government property shows cultural backrounds and beliefs. This shows respect towards the religious. They also have minora's. Remember, Not all people are so intolerant and supersensitive as alot of you online atheists. The government is no acception. If it were really against the law , you really honestly ...con.
@Tom6093 Government institutions cannot legally endorse a religion. A person can put up a Nativity scene, or a Menorah, or Santa Clause, or whatever they like on public property, but the government cannot endorse a religion by putting a religious decoration on public property, be it a Nativity scene or a giant Menorah. That's why, when they're called on it, they are normally required to take it down. Christians are 75 percent of the American population. Don't act like you're victims.
@Tom6093 The one that I saw was near Birmingham, Alabama. I'm not sure if it's still there, and I can't link you to other websites in comments, so I'll send you a picture of a billboard that actually says that atheists are traitors to America in a message.
@Tom6093 I'm not certain, because absolute certainty doesn't exist. However, given the current state of evidence for your imaginary friend (none, nada, NOTHING), i'd simply go with not believing in him. Do you believe in godzilla or the boogieman? You can't disprove their existence either, can you?
And what's wrong with free speech? Does it harm you in any way? Have you even realized how many televangelists and hypochristian boards are there in America? Your hypocrisy is simply disgusting.
@hellhammerz666 Gotta love it when you manipulate my own words against me, without any validity. You atheists seem to have no problem with putting up signs on busses saying, "You can be good without God" But nature forbid an nativity scene is seen in the public, or a Christmas tree is called a Christmas tree. Yet your the same hypacrites that celebrate Christmas with trees, presents, Santa Claus, Candy Canes. Yet, " You stole Christmas ." How can you steal a day dedicated to someane ?
@Tom6093 Forbidding nativity scences is pretty dumb, to be honest. I simply regard them as pretty sculptures, because i enjoy art. Not sure why some actually thing this is forcing religion, but i got a real problem with people making laws based on biblical bullshit.
Btw, did you know Christmas was originally meant to celebrate the winter solstice? Christians stole the holiday. We simply celebrate because it's nice to celebrate and have a good time with people we love. Got a problem with that?
@hellhammerz666 LMAF. Christians STOLE Christmas. Thats pathedic. The winter solstice is on the 21rst of December. So did the Jewish people still Chanukah from you also ? Fact is, CHRISTmas....Notice the first 5 letters of it..." CHRIST" I don't have a problem with anyone celebrating Christmas, religious or non. Wars have ceased for the day of Christmas, good things happen for people on Christmas. Thats what Christ is all about. Peace and Good Will Towards Men.
@Tom6093 Listen, Nobody can steal a holiday....Lol. The winter Solstice like I said is on the 21rst. Chanukah is around the same time, there is Quanza around that time also, This is why we consider it the holiday Season. Some of you atheists are really a little super sensitive about the whole thing. Your like children arguing over who had what first. It's really kind of sad. You talk of logic and reason, but your arguments half the time don't exactly qualify as logical or reasonable.
@Tom6093 Most of the traditions used in chrsitmas were borrowed from other cultures, which is pretty funny, considering the bible explicitly forbids this. December 25th is curiously the preferred date of birth for other deities, including Horus, Osiris, Mithra, Krishna, among others. Curiously, many of the christian stories seem awfully similar to those of these guys. What are christians playing to pretending this is exclusive to their zombie friend? No clue. Why do you build a christmas tree?
@hellhammerz666 Why does it bother you so much ? Seriously ? It seems such a waste to rip apart something you don't believe in. If your so confident about your atheism, why debate it ? Seriously, My fathers atheist. He still celebrates Christmas. He even sang the Massiah.. He just doesn't believe in God or anything supernatural. Does he complain about Christmas being stolen ? No. See this is what I mean , when I talk of radical neo Nazi atheism. You people just spread bigotry @ hate
@Tom6093 I already told you. It's affecting policy and holding our progress back. It's not the harmless personal belief you seem to think it is. If it was just that, i wouldn't have a problem with it. Is that bigotry to you? I think not.
About an idea being probable, i don't believe yours, because it hasn't been demonstrated to be true. If you think it's fine to believe comfy fairytales simply because we have o better explanation, that's fine, as long as you keep it out of public policy.
@Tom6093 As for me, i don't believe unproven bullshit, simply because it's not within my character to hold comfy beliefs without evidence. If false hope is a good thing for you, wonderful, i guess that's your choice. The fact we don't know everything about the universe doesn't mean you can get away with placing your imaginary friend in the gap, you know? That kind of mentality settles up for the rather mediocre religious explanations instead of looking for real ones.
@hellhammerz666 " You don't believe in unproven bullshit, simply because it's not within your character to hold comfy beliefs without evidence."
So let me ask you something. With that frame of mind. Why even go with scientific discovery or technology. Hell, if people had this frame of thought, no scientific discoveries would be made because we would be afraid to explore the unanswered questions. No aviation, no computer, not a single luxery. We'd be as primitive as can be...Gillign
@Tom6093 Of course, human creativity is a starting point. But the fairytales themselves are NOT the theories. Theories are constructed after experimentation, documentation, confirmation of initial hypothesis. Are you seriously trying to equate desert myths to solid facts like evolution and gravity? Are you fgucking serious? The problem with your religion is that it stayed in the "imagine" step, and never advanced, because it made up it's own fallacious answers and spreaded them through coersion.
@hellhammerz666 You believe these to be fairytales because you require tangible evidence. Without a soul or spirit, you have closed yourself off to findiing the truth. If you only rely on what the world tells you...God remains a fairytale and myth. The difference between u and me is, I can truly say because I went with an open mind, heart, and spirt and didn't let what the world told me was acceptable evidence, I found God. I found peace, Grace. Forget about what you think. open y hrt.
@hellhammerz666 Your an atheist, therefore, God is left out of any discovery science explores or studies. Pretty simple concept. Even with the gaps, If and when science has broken those barrers, God is left out of the equation, because science only observes and studies the physical happenings. A scientific answer or conclusion without a deity will always be given. To a theist or a believer, as long as we aren't creationists who only argue with science because it debunks the bible,...,con...
@Tom6093 And no, i don't rule out the possibility of there being a god. I simply remain unconvinced that he's real because nobody has ever presented evidence for his existence. All i see for his case are a bunch of logical fallacies, wishful thinking and empty imaginary threats about some fancy afterlife themepark that can go wrong if i don't believe.
Again, when you fellows claim god intercedes our physical world through miracles, he immediately becomes a scientific prospect, like it or not.
@hellhammerz666 Evidence ..Physical evidence for God will never be found. Let me ask you something.. Do you believe in a soul ? Probably not. How bout spirit ? Probably not. If you search for God without believing you don't attain the soul and spirit, then you cut yourself off from finding God. Science will never find a deity . Simple as that.
@Tom6093 The soul is just as imaginary as this god figure, so yeah, i don;t believe such a thing even exists. Why should i believe in stuff before the actual evidence is presented? Sounds like a very sloppy way to transmit an important message. Anyways, why does it matter anyways, if your god supposedly is omnicient and already knows what's gonna happen? The problem is you fellos claim god intercedes in our world through miracles, so i have all the right to ask for phisical evidence.
@Tom6093 If you fail to provide such evidence, there's no reason to believe in your imaginary friend, as simple as that. Evidence you can't present to others isn't evidence. You hearing god may as well be catallogued as a case of schizophrenia, as far as i'm concerned. Now you ask me to forget about what i think? WTF is that? Why should i deliberately undermine my own intellect in order to "perhaps" access to something you promise, yet can't demonstrate to be real? Seriously???
@Tom6093 While i don't agree with religious views, i can openly say i'll defend their right to speak about them. However, when you see stupid shit like theocracy trying to pass laws endorsing a specific religious group, i think we start having a problem, specially if they try to trample through other people's rights.
@Tom6093 You also claim we work with absolutes? Do you even understand science is, by definition, not absolutist at all? If that were the case, science would be as inflexible as (ironically) religions, which actually operate under moral absolutes, which happen to be outdated for our time. Is it not true that you believe god is the ultimate absolute judge? Is it not true that you believe your god is absolute, unchanging? Is it not true that you believe his laws are absolute? Do you enjoy irony?
@hellhammerz666 I'm only suggesting theres a big amount of radical hateful atheists out there that rely souly on science to act as fact to argue an existence of a deity. Remember, a knowledgable person knows theres no absolutes in almost everything. They are the reasonable ones. But there are groups of atheists that look at science as the ending factual answers. I do understand the evidence stacked up against Creationists. I understand Evolution and natural Selection is a huge reality.
@Tom6093 And yes, atheists have the right to demand empirical evidence of the so called deity. Do you know why? Because the imaginary deity has supposedly manifested himself in the real world, yet people claiming this nonsense never support their claims with evidence. This is why most of us don't believe in him. When your imaginary god trespasses the boundaries of his magical skyrealm to do stuff in our physical reality as you claim, he immediately becomes a scientific prospect, like it or not.
@Tom6093 About not thinking less of me, i sincerely don't mind what you want to think about me. When a person is wilfully deluded by pampering fairytales, my degree of respect for that person drops down. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. The fact someone deliberately goes way under any decent standard of evidence to support supernatural claims usually rubs as an evident lack of intellectual honesty. Tough stuff, but that's how things are in the real world.
@hellhammerz666 Lol, we know the difference between fairytales and myths hellhammer666. But science will never prove changes within oneself. When you ask for physical evidence, your gonna come up empty handed. You use only tested theory and evidence for your conclusions of whats possible, shutting your eyes and turning away from the possibility of something wonderful. Your spiritually closed off and it's really sad how negative and critical alot of you are based on so much missconception.
@Tom6093 Why shouldn't i ask for physical evidence, when you guys keep claiming god does miracles in the real world? Seriously, you guys actually believe back in the day the guy was out there doing magic acts for everyone to see his superduperpowers. Heck, you even believe his freaking son came back from the dead to walk around for a bit and fly to the sky. I mean, seriously? What's wrong with us 21st century people? Are we so unworthy of those wonderful showoffs of divine power?
@hellhammerz666 It's really sad you only go with whats tangible and what is percieved as the, " Real world" Though it's not proven, I assure you, There is a spiritual realm, Just like there are alternate universes, Black matter, and alternate realitys. But hey, If you only want to see the black and white, instead of the full color story, I suppose living in your small reality box is what seems logical to you. But, your the one thats limiting yourself.
@Tom6093 Sure, i can also pretend i know stuff that is currently unknowable. Does that make it true? Of course not. When you claim this kind of nonsense without evidence to support it, everyone else's disbelief is completely justified.
Do you even understand the purpose behind those bus signs? It's a protest against retarded theocrats meddling in our lifes trying to shove their imaginary friend down everyone's throats. At most you can consider it self defense, nothing else.
@hellhammerz666 See, thats what I mean. It's almost like, I look at the glass half full, and you look at the glass half empty. To me, The possibility of God seems real because for me, The evidence factor and probability factor doesn't move my theory. Simply saying it sounds crazy, theres no evidence to back it up, and the probability is low doesn't mean a thing to me. God isn't a physical being. He works through us. At least thats what I feel. Since he's spirit , he can't b proven.
@Tom6093 "for me" isn't important for truth. Truth will be true, regardless if you want to believe it or not. The evidence factor SHOULD be crucial to finding truth, or else we would believe whatever we feel like believing. How can we determine truth if not by objective evidence? You're right, saying that sounds crazy, and the fact you don't have evidence to back it up only validates the position of disbelieving it.
@hellhammerz666 It's fine that you don't believe it. It's fine if you would rather rely on what can be proven to conclude whats viable to you. Whats NOT fine is how you and alot of these neo ,radical atheists view people who don't share your opinion. The world doesn't revolve around your point of view. There are many diverse ways of thinking which is a very positive thing. You atheists on these forums need to be a little more tolerant. You take our position personally and it's pretty sad
@Tom6093 And no, we don't bash whoever doesn't share our opinion. We bash idiots who preach nonsense without any evidence to support it. If you have an opposing view, you are going to have to substantiate it in order to earn the respect you are crying for. The real problem is superstitious people using political correctness as a blanket excuse for others to accept their unproven claims. In the end, these claims deserve absolutely no respect.
@hellhammerz666 That pretty much proves my point. Anyone who counters your view on faith ....you bash . Thats whats wrong with you. You spread your bigotry, and hate towards those who don't think like you when it comes to faith and put more negative vibes into the world . Those who express their religious views in government have their right to practice those rights. You hate them for what ? Slowing down scientific study ? Excuses..excuses. If anything we want to explore the positiive in S
@Tom6093 Didn't you understand? You can have an opposing point of view. If you're able to substantiate it and structure it with valid arguments, i will respect you and acknowledge you make a good point. Unfortunately for you, you haven't been able to make a valid case for your imaginary friend, so i have no intention to grant you free respect you haven't deserved. That's not bigotry, it's called a standard of rational discussion.
@Tom6093 And you're right, even politicians have a right to believe whatever they want. What they don't have a right to do is force their particular beliefs down everyone's throats. That's a direct violation fo the US constitution's first amendment, in case you haven't realized it by now. Being a burden to scientific research is a problem. In a world where scientific research is a necessity to come up with new breakthroughs, clinging to bronze age myths and deliberately slowing it IS a problem.
@hellhammerz666 It's another missconception that we slow down progress. Isolated groups of radical theists try to fight stem cell research, but I have never met one person who argues it...or science for that matter. I think honestly you single these people out and then make all of faith guilty by association. Homosexuality ? I know 4 churches that have lesbian or gay ministers . Many Christians who aren't born again don't agree with how the bible views things. Too many generalizations
@Tom6093 When you see idiotic biblical literalists that still believe the world is 6000 years old slow down stuff like stemcell research, it IS a problem. In a world where countless children are born with painful diseases that could be cured by this kind of scientific research, what could be worse than a bunch of scientifically illiterate, self-righteous lunatics trying to obstruct scientific research? I'm sorry, but this kind of people aren't needed, and shouldn't be driving the ship.
@Tom6093 And i'm not generalizing. I know plenty of rational christians, and i respect them because they don't try to force their beliefs on policy. But sadly that's not the case of many American politicians, who use Jesus as just another catchy advertising item in order to get the redneck vote. That's frankly disgusting. Those crazy dishonest theocrats are the ones that concern me the most, and it's one of the reasons why guys like Matt do what they do.
@hellhammerz666 Christians believe abortion is murder. I disagree with abortion accept if a women is either going to die , or the women was raped. Stem Cell reseach I'm all for. Science I'm all for it. Evolution definitely and I know the earth is more like 4.6 billion years old. Creationists only argue these points because they believe a verse tells them not to question it. I believe God is more then just a book or customs or even religion..
@Tom6093 You may pretend to agree with science all you want. You're still failing to realize that claiming your god intercedes in this physical universe of ours (talking to you giving signals and such marvelous displays of sloppy communication) makes your god an object of scientific study. When we can't find it, i'm afraid your god simply poofs back into the deep imaginary abyss he crawled out from.
@hellhammerz666 - Hellhammer- I'm done debating with you. Your assumptions are unreasonable. Don't assume I pretend to know anything. Now your just digging for argument sake. This is my problem with most of you online atheists. When it gets to the point where you assume, I'm pretending I agree with something , then the debate turns away from just arguing each others side to basically, " He/She are telling themselfs that they believe this or that. Trust me, I'm all for science.
@Tom6093 If you're "all for science", then why can't you accept the fact that claiming an unproven god intervenes our physical universe makes him a scientific prospect? Instead of acknowledging this is rather contradictory of your "i'm all for science" claim, you try to hide your god beyond the scope of science, even though you believe he meddles with it. This is what i can't understand about your position. If you deity is defined in such terms, it's unexistent if science can't even study it.
@Tom6093 And that's not an assumption, that's a rational conclusion given the imput you folks have provided for this god character. I already told you why faith isn't a way to discover truths. Faith is, by definition, unreasonable. It seeks to skip reason and land on the truth category without any effort, but somehow we're strident for pointing that anomaly out? Yes, using faith to find truth is wrong. I'm sorry logic doesn't support your made up reality scheme.
@hellhammerz666 To many generalizations, not enouph fact. You can't assume all of us think the same, and base a bigoted view on religion due to speculation. It's not reasonable which is why I argue on these forums. It's not your disbelief in God thats my problem. It's the intolerant , hateful and unjust judging on people thats wrong. Your spreading prejudicism and arrogance very much like how you view religion. Your all hypacrites. Your only adding to the drama, and nothing positive.
@Tom6093 Am i really a hypocrite for trying to reinforce reason and evidence? I think not. As i mentioned before, you're just crying because your bronze age fantasies aren't equated to thorough scientific investigation. You would expect your primitive fables to be taught just like any other evaluated scientific theory just because you think it's valid? You need to get real and realize none of that mystical bullshit has ever been demonstrated, and that's why it's kept out of science class.
@hellhammerz666 Lol. Science only answers with physical examination...Not spiritual, nothing that goes beyond what humanity finds possible. Humanity is fallible, and to think otherwise isn'/t reasonable. There hasn't been one argument on these forums that have made a good enouph point just to rely on science or to give up on the spiritual side. I don't find your arguments reasonable enouph to turn from faith. Simple as that.
@Tom6093 And yeah, science answers with phisical examination, because it's field of study is the physical universe we happen to exist into. You're still failing to realize that as soon as your alleged miracle god begins messing with our physical universe, he becomes a scientific prospect, just like any other physical phenomena studied by science.
And yeah, humanity is fallible, so? So is the childish and mediocre idea of an imaginary skydaddy watching over us, but never showing up to prove it.
@Tom6093 The fact we don't know everything about our own existence doesn't mean you can place your imaginary friend in the gap. That's not only dishonest, but lazy as well. Basically, your god is only one big fat argument from ignorance, period. You wanna believe in this magic spirit realm you claim to exist, yet fail to prove real? Be my guest, i honestly don't give a damn about that. You're able to rot your mind with whatever imaginary bullshit you like, as long as you don't mess with others.
@hellhammerz666 Theres a difference between believing in a deity and then if science doesn't answer a question , then it's filled in with God. Yes, people do that, but don't just assume I follow suit. You argue with the same rediculous arguments that every other online self rightious , arrogant atheist does on these forums. Basically to you online atheists, if a deity isn't proven by science it can't exist. Oh.....alright...yeah....thats reasonable. Oh... and using faith is wrong.
@hellhammerz666 But see, Simply saying something doesn't exist because #1- theres no evidence. or #2- It sounds crazy, doesn't mean it can't exist. But for some reason, you online atheists take it upon yourselfs to call the case closed, And God forbid we think differently. Now , since we do , we all belong in mental hospitals. Well, There goes 75 % of the communitty. There goes a shit load of doctors, lawyers, business exectutives, Pharmisists, firemen, ect. Not to mention Judges.
@Tom6093 we say case closed because that is the way we (humanity) deal with every single other aspect of our lives. If there is no evidence for something and it sounds crazy, you don't accept it. That's just plain common sense.
@Tom6093 And sure, i never claimed it doesn't exist. I simply remain unconvinced of this god's existence because all you religious folks bring up can't even qualify as evidence:
Personal experience
Revelation
Feelings in your heart
Spirit
Soul
At most, these things actually need to be demonstrated first. All you've done is clutter the question with even more questionmarks. You;re still trying to use ad populum arguments to try and strenghten an already feeble argument, btw. Not smart.
@hellhammerz666 Do you know, in order to be a Supreme Court or Federal Court Judge you have to have a mental exam. Now if what you atheists think is true, then there are plenty of people who are lawyers and and judges that shouldn't be. Including my Uncle in Alexandria Virginia. But see heres my theory. Because most atheists that I know out in public are reasonable enouph to know, religion doesn't define a person as a whole. Most people are generally pretty tolerant . ...con...
@hellhammerz666 ...con.. Most people are pretty tolerant of differences in society. It's only atheists like the ones on these forums that make faith out to be evil and take offense to it. I swear, up until I got on these forums, Lol, I had no idea people actually hated and judged so critically on religion. Atheists were cool in my book and still are, as long as they don't critisize others for their differences. But this hate and critisism you have for faith is another form of prejudice .
@Tom6093 And don't get me wrong. If you want to believe any of this nonsense, i will proudly defend your right to do so. The problem i have with these primitive beliefs is that they are being forced into our societies, leading to deliberate violations of certain minoritie's most basic rights. If people believed their superstitious nonsense, but kept them to themselves, i wouldn't really have a problem with that, unless their desitions are directly affected by that flawed perception of reality.
@hellhammerz666 Nothing has been proven or disproven. And these show called primitve beliefs actually improve lives. These beliefs bring meaning to people. Whether God exists or not, This belief helps people . Why do you take such offense to that ? All you see are the negatives, and build intolerance for something that may not help you, but helps so many other people. Who are you to judge ? Your so stuck on religion in government , politics,, but you don't see the peace of mind .
@Tom6093 Correct, and because they haven't been proven, i won't believe them only because they feel better, regardless of how "improving" they may happen to be. These beliefs bring meaning to people because their foundation is deliberately crippling the human morale to reconstruct a certain sense of purpose with them at it's core. That's not improving a life, that's building a mirage. Regardless of how "positive" you may want to believe lying to yourself is, it's still remain unproven.
@Tom6093 Who am i to judge? Probably nobody, but i actually care if my beliefs are true or not. However, i am somebody to point out the evident flaws in this mindset, and why it messes people's minds up. It's not really my problem if people find comfort in intellectual dishonesty, but political correctness shouldn't be used as an excuse to allow this bullshit to keep tyrampling the human rationale as it has done for so many centuries with pretty sad consequences.
@Tom6093 I already told you i don't care if you believe magic crap and keep it to yourself. In that case i suppose the only affected would be your own self for not being able to be honest with your own intellect. And yeah, i will continue to point it out on our governments, because it IS a problem when religion and public policy get mixed up.
And i don't need to appeal to wishful thinking and primitive superstition to find peace of mind, although i think it's rather tragic some people do.
@hellhammerz666 Thats why theres a void between atheists and those with faith. Atheists simply don't move beyond the evidence and probability factor.l And the funny thing is, those that do look beyond that are ridiculed for it. Why ? If we are wrong...so what. We all pay bills, work , raise families, So we think differently on the point of believing in a deity that you don't. We are still people making our way through life. Why can't we all just put aside our differences and gt along?
@Tom6093 This is exactly why those "willing to look beyond" are ridiculed. Evidence dictates beliefs in every other aspect of life, but somehow, when it comes to religious belief, evidence is shamelessly discarded to grant undeserved validity to pampering fairytales. That's precisely my porblem with the religious midnset. Now, this isn't particularly harmful when kept personal, but when you see crazy theocrats forcing this shit on everyone through retarded laws, it begins affecting everyone.
@hellhammerz666 What evidence are you referring too ? Evolution ? Natural selection ? All they do is disprove a Creationists view. Listen , The universe holds many secrets that go beyond what science can prove. Least stay somewhat realistic . Why is it necessary to only accept what is proven or can be proven. If we don't move beyond that, We'll never make any progress. The idea that because something sounds improbable and unproven ,doesn't mean it can't exist. Break out of that mindset.
@hellhammerz666 So your gonna fight what you feel is arrogance with prejudism ? " These theists piss me off so lets prove a point to the theocrats and put signs on buses proclaiming our non belief in God. " " Yeah...that'll get our point across and we'll gain some respect " Lol.
Thankfully not all atheists have this mentallity and are alot more tolerant. Your atittude , like alot of the Nazi radical atheists is no more respectable then a a Evangelistic Christians.
@hellhammerz666 As for your belief that I'm supersticious and everything I believe is nonesense. Thats your right !!!! The difference is, Lol...I don't think less of you because of it. Could you say the feeling is mutual ?
@Tom6093 Science can't be absolutist, because it needs to keep refining itself. This is how science builds up knowledge, and this is why atheists generally trust it. Heck, even most theists do, despite the fact they don't seem to apply the same logic when it comes to their imaginary fantasies, which is pretty sad.
In the end, evidence is how you come to KNOW stuff, so why should we believe your superstitious nonsense before you put some evidence on the table? Oh yes...faith! (aka gullibility).
Theres always gonna be a void between atheists and people of faith on the burden of proof , simply because, atheists rely strictly on what logical to them, and what can be scientifically proven and backed up with evidence , or they won't believe it. They feel there is no reason 2. They feel if they are told, God is intangible, invisible, and works inside us, It sounds crazy.
Atheists ..listen, As crazy as you think we are, God is something you have to experience yourselfs. Trust me.
@Tom6093 ..ok I'll ask you sir if you dont mind..people of faith said that no need for evidence in order to have faith..ok first my question are you a christian? so if ever in the bible jesus in the bible didnt rise again from the dead, do you still have FAITH in Jesus? ...hmm i guess not right..? ..see you people of faith also looking for evidence the only different between you and us atheists we are looking for a factual evidence and not just for some hearsay..btw sorry for my bad english..
SoG is either mentally defunct, or just a liar. I saw his original video, and what he said is not taken out of context here. He actually said that Matt's point was that "unicorns" prove atheism in his video (followed by a chuckle), while ignoring why the unicorn metaphor was brought up to begin with. It was an example of a non-provable claim, nothing more. I'm puzzled by the religious who take Shock seriously, most of them are smarter than that.
I know this video is two years old, but I hope people learn to just ignore him. I truly believe he's a troll, and I don't think he's as stupid as he acts when it comes to this illogical question. I think he's doing it just to piss off atheists, to 'troll' them into a response, and understandably, it works.
Amazing how many times shockofgod has been told the answer and still doesn't get it. He is either completely dishonest, or the biggest idiot of our time. What's worse, after he gets his ass handed to him, he goes around claiming victory, making himself look like an even bigger ass. He really doesn't want to know the answer either, which is evident from the fact that he disables ratings and comments on his videos. Shockofgod is the biggest troll on two wheels.
Enlightenedopinion92 4 hours ago
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The burden of proof is not solely on the side of the theist, Matt doesn't seem to grasp this, I think he got this rhetoric from R. Dawkins, which is just a twist of semantics. If you were to use the "unicorn in a box" example to analogize the Christian's claim, it is a false analogy. Why? Well, because the God the Christian speaks of associates itself with everyone, so the atheist would have just as much access as the Christian to this "box." So, the "burden of proof" can lie on either side.
Hanahleia 22 hours ago
@alphaenemy Another similarity is trying to proof me being wrong.. Religious believe they should spread their word. If you try to spread you belief than your doing the same thing religious do...
SDkawi6 1 day ago
@alphaenemy You miss understood what I said.. I'm going by believing in what your told vs proof.. Not proof from a scientist but your own.. Such as big bang theory.. If you believe in that while a religious person believes in a creator, you're in the same boat... Blind belief... "Faith" only in humanity though...
SDkawi6 1 day ago
I'm convinced that Shock has, at the very least, Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
alphaenemy 1 day ago
Shockofgod is a lying dishonest sack of shit who tries to bend the facts of reality (in his head) so they conform to his beliefs. He is also a sad example of how one can loop his mind and cut it off from ever being able to think for himself rationally. Visit his channel and see how religion really poisons everything.
An0maly777 4 days ago
He is subconciously using debate tactics. Take things out of context, and strawman them!
TheAtheistProphet1 4 days ago
@SDkawi6 The burden of proof applies to those who believe in the existence of a mystical sky daddy, not those who are skeptical about it. To say atheism is a religion is like calling baldness a hair colour...
burgundy4433 6 days ago
Some religious people aren't stupid, just VERY misguided.
weswii 6 days ago
The reason shockofgod wears a motorcycle helmet and rides around on a motorbike is so that he isn't recognised or every religious sect would just kick the granny out of him for giving them all a worse name than they already have
perosthedog 6 days ago
basically there is no proof in Athiesm... Its just a belief (or lack there of) Like any other religion.. oh the ironic similarities..
SDkawi6 1 week ago
@SDkawi6 I suppose you forgot to watch the video before you commented, but it is definitely a LACK of faith. But you are on to something with it being similar to religion.... For example, christians have a lack of belief in all other gods besides their own.... They are really just one logical step away from atheism
jsahkljdhkashvbosild 6 days ago
@SDkawi6 Disbelief is completely dissimilar to belief. Opposites are not similar.
alphaenemy 1 day ago
People like the shockofgod scare the fuck out of me. These people are insane and we have all seen some of the leaders of this country state that god spoke to them and told them they were chosen. People like this would destroy the world to prove their point, or non point as it were. I have never met a christian who wasn't a two faced, hypocrite, liar. And, my mom is a reverend. She is just as crazy as this motorcycle nutjob.
godbluffvdgg 1 week ago
craaap its craaaaap atheism is craaaaap and we've proven it /sarcasm
LatencyProblem 1 week ago
What seems funny to me...the bible mentions unicorns 3 or 4 times as if they are real. (Source: Skeptics Annotated Bible.)
FirstFretCapo 1 week ago
If he said that it was a BOOK with a unicorn in it, say the King James Version of the bible for instance, well THAT wouldn't be insane at all would it shock.
Philosification 1 week ago
ive come to the realization that shockofgod is doing satire videos like edwardcurrent. im being serious. can a full grown man really be that idiotic?
Phx8ball602 1 week ago
@Phx8ball602 agreed! He is just the world's best troll! Thats the ONLY way I can conceivably explain his idiocy!
NWAWskeptic 1 week ago
@Phx8ball602 No, but a fully paranoid Christian CAN really be that dishonest.
alphaenemy 1 day ago
Haha, finally! I've been looking at his videos and Shockofgod is just ridiculous :P
JohanTW 2 weeks ago
Don- "I have a unicorn in a box!"
Me- "Realy?" Opens box
Unicorn stabs my in the eye.
Me- "Aw fu-"
AKArainkit 2 weeks ago
"...is your claim regarding the Atheist Experience show accurate and correct"
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Sure it is. Atheism is the proposition "There is no God", a "lack of belief" is the psychological state of a person not a claim about reality.
ozredneck22 2 weeks ago
shock of god, proof that certain people did'nt evolve....
DemoraX 2 weeks ago 2
If the guy on the bike was an atheist he would believe it. If he believes in God he would not believe it. In simple explanations the Unicorn is regarding GOD. God is invisible, you can not feel him but you can hear him. Religion was created by a group of people to stabilize society, these group of people create a story involving a man with incredible power, GOD. This to shock people so they would live in fear from crime, they say he would punish you for criminal actions.
Battlefcon1 2 weeks ago
@Battlefcon1 Carrying on... How do i know this? Well it's simple, the powerful person was given a name, a story was made and created (the bible). To back up Atheism, it was told in the bible that god created Earth, life, animals.... However it did not say about Evaluation. Evaluation is a process where life evolves and becomes different species, becoming dominant. Evaluation destroys the story of religion down to the ground, that is what i believe...
Battlefcon1 2 weeks ago
@Battlefcon1 There is nor evidence of God exists!!! Physics, biology and chemistry can prove the truth of what created us, life and Earth. THE BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!
Battlefcon1 2 weeks ago
shock of god - do you know how much all the people on the internet hate you?
alex29443 2 weeks ago
smuckofgod are one of the most dishonest, lying, deceiving specimens of a 'believer' on youtube.
That is what he really is.
BelieveNoGod 2 weeks ago
The Atheist Experience is so wrong Shock of God has to devote his pointless existence to try and put them down.
SinceretheGhost 2 weeks ago
2:35 how stupid is that guy riding the bike? he don't know what a metaphor is...
ChaoticRupture 2 weeks ago
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@SammyHales Hide behind words and unicorns in boxes. That's cool with me, but then don't expect for anyone to take you seriously.
johhnycarlos 3 weeks ago
@ParadoxEternal Indeed! I ride my unicorn around the block every Tuesday.
JaggLion 3 weeks ago
@NNGTV a·the·ism /'āTHē,izәm/ ▶n. the belief that God does not exist. -- derivatives a·the·ist n. a·the·is·tic /,āTHē'istik/ adj. Copyright © 2010 Oxford University Press
johhnycarlos 3 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos Why do you liars for Jesus assume anyone will be impressed by your self-imposed ignorance and blatant dishonesty? You cherry-picked a single definition of atheist and pretended that the others do not exist. Are you really so stupid to think anyone will be impressed by that?
Merrim-Webster defines the word atheist thus: "a disbelief in the existence of deity." And that definition is listed before an alternative definition that describes a positive position.
SammyHales 3 weeks ago
@NNGTV The host said atheism is a lack of a belief which makes it a psychological state.
johhnycarlos 3 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos Atheism is the rejection of a positive, not an affirmation of a negative
NWAWskeptic 1 week ago 3
@jake44514 An arm by definition can't be invisible. As human flesh can't be invisible.
johhnycarlos 3 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos
You don't believe in the third arm. Provide proof and evidence that an arm can't be invisible. Go on.
MeewbeThree 2 weeks ago
Atheism is the lack of belief? So is a potato an atheist on a technicality?
johhnycarlos 3 weeks ago
@johhnycarlos Do you belive in Allah ? no ? are you a potato?
NNGTV 3 weeks ago
Shockofgod is a moron. What proof and evidence does he have that my invisible third arm doesn't exist, genius? What an idiot. Anyone with a brain is laughing at him, and he's too stupid to realize it.
jake44514 3 weeks ago 35
Funny how this motorcyclist is too dumb to understand a very basic point, guess it's still above his level ofd comp[rehension.
There must be a certain level of stupidity required to believe in "god"
tmblefebvre 3 weeks ago 25
@tmblefebvre certain lvl of stupidity or cash :) did you ever consider that some "christians" are rich just because they tell little children storys to grown ups? its like job with big paycheck
valtonen77 1 week ago
(sigh). Words of reason come to 'shock' into one ear and out the other while he experiences reverse cycles in his digestive system: up his ass and out his mouth...
burgundy4433 4 weeks ago
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caycug1 4 weeks ago
There is more purpose to life than the eat, sleep, have sex, and scratch yourself. The blueprints for your existence had an origin. There is something bigger than us, and He gives us glimpses of His personality. Since love is the greatest thing we see, we know that love is the greatest personality trait of the Originator of our existence. That is why we worship God (Love). The story of Christ is the greatest love story ever written, and it just so happens to be true. Read Hebrews 11:1
caycug1 4 weeks ago
@caycug1 You're right, there is a lot more to life than those things. I also like to read, spend time with the people that I care about, work, have conversations with others, and spend my time being happy. All without having to believe that any deity exists. Simply because you want or hope something is true doesn't mean that it is. Atheism is pretty clear in that it's a rejection of the things which cannot be proven. And no, I'm sorry, if you think God is love - you haven't read your Bible.
Bamont 4 weeks ago
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@Bamont Do you have any theories about where everything originated? In your opinion, what is the number one greatest thing in life?
caycug1 4 weeks ago
You want proof of My existence?!
Well, I've created this account. -- With my MIND!!!!
MrYahwehHimself 1 month ago
:O
MrYahwehHimself 1 month ago
"What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" -Carl Sagan
xXDISASTERPIECE934Xx 1 month ago
anyway Shock of god is just an idiot, and it's crazy to think he doestn't realize how he sounds. I've got a unicorn in a box too , but mine is pink!
beastshawnee 1 month ago
oops i was talking to the shill that follows my postings and I did not mean to actuallly post that. See how he scrambles my letters? It's because 9/11 was computer graphics laid over live tv, and I make postings to tell everyone and 24/7 someone follows what I post aand scrambles and erases what I post. They still can't stop the truth. Look up vicsims to find out about some proof of CGI on 9/11.
beastshawnee 1 month ago
oh, good morning shill. hows it feel to be working so early? im sleeping in this am going back to bed afterb I finish my cinnamon sugar rice...have a nic youe time doing ilgal deeds asshole
beastshawnee 1 month ago
its the logic thats lost on this guy...
beastshawnee 1 month ago
this is hilarious. The irony is lost on this guy isn't it?
TheDharmawheel 1 month ago
Wow, how badly could that guy have missed the point of the unicorn in a box. He heard what the statement was and ignored most of it in an idiotic attempt to make athiesm sound stupid. Shockofgod today, you are the king of fools. Nothing sadder then watching and idiot point out how stupid everyone else is. It truely is moronic.
Demogorgon47 1 month ago
education education ,education,
faith schools should be illegal
fekinel 1 month ago
Hey SoG, we aren't laughing at them, We're laughing at YOU!
MrSirwolf2001 1 month ago
@MrSirwolf2001 No we're not. SoG is more like a comedian who doesn't know he's not funny, and that his 'jokes' are so painfully stupid that you groan in agony while wishing he'll just stop.
Direkin 1 month ago
I like peas! I know they exist! Worship the Sun! We KNOW that is real! Like uncle George Carlin told us.
Tommyr 1 month ago
unicorns prove nothing
62Elvis 1 month ago
Our evidence is precisely a LACK of evidence.
It doesn't take faith to believe that 0+0=0
It takes a shit-load of faith, however, to believe that 0+0=1
Atheists claim only that 0+0=0, whereas Theists claim that 0+0=1.
The burden of proof is on those of you who claim (vehemently) that 0+0=1.
SeedsOfHatred 1 month ago
Christians can be incredibly dumb!
rattlehead890 1 month ago
@rattlehead890 Atheists can be so self Rightous.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Many theists are willfully ignorant & think they are morally superior.
tranquility4all 1 month ago
@luciferous66 I'm not offended by what you say, mainly because, arrogance runs so bliss on these atheist forums, nothing surprises me anymore. Theres so many misconceptions, so much stereo- typing It's really kind of said to see all these radical atheists spend their time ripping people apart to make themselfs feel superior. Idiots, delusional, insane, all names given to people who are really just using a deity to find meaning and quality in their lives. Theres no respect between us..at all
Tom6093 1 month ago
@luciferous66 It's also insane to believe that religion causes brain Damage. Yes, I saw your video. All 3 of us , myself and both my sisters had gone to church as children. None of us believe that non believers are heading to hell. I myself believe that hell is saved for those evil to the core, without remorse. My oldest sister is atheist, my middle sister is a born again , and I'm Presbyterian. Yet we all believe in evolution and disaprove on Creationsim. Doesn't mean theres no God.
Tom6093 1 month ago
Alabama? Lol...Thats bible central. Your talking die hard Evangelism in that state. I hear they actually have a birthday party for Jesus on Christmas day. I looked up the Amendments on Religious symbolism on government property. It said once it is proven to show religious intent, then it breaks the code. However a Nativity scene or Christmas tree is considered holiday decorations. If theres a sign that says , " Jesus is Lord " It breaks the law. Nativity scenes are legal buddy !!
Tom6093 1 month ago
I wish that he had focused just a little more on speaking and didn't notice a car turning into the lane he was in.
werebee 1 month ago
The evidence in God is quite simple. If you stopped focusing on religious dogma and actually see how much more patience, love, compassion , and grace is in a theists heart, rather then an atheists heart, the proof is right there infront of you. The intolerance alot of you atheists have is an act of self rightiousness. An atheist only deals with absolutes , theories that can be tested. A theist looks beyond those boundaries, because they know there is more then just the physical world.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 So theists look at magical things that someone 2,000 years ago said instead of theories that can actually be tested and observed, and that counts as evidence? I think it's time for you to go praise your wizard and get off of Youtube.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee Science can co- exist with a deity. Science gives a physical theories of how and why things evolve, materialise and so forth. Because it hasn't been successfully tested , a spirtual realm isn't an option for show called logical and reasonable thinkers. You right it off as myth and call us theists delusional for believing in the unproven and what improbable to you. O.K. fine, but... I'm pretty certain , in most cases when someane comes out to be self rightious..their always wrong
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 There's nothing logical about basing your beliefs in a book written over 2,000 years ago by people who had nowhere near the knowledge of how the world works that we do now. You follow a primitive religion, and there's no reason for me to respect or give any amount of credence to your belief. You're entitled to whatever belief you want, but expect to be called out on the silliness of it.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee We don't have all the answers. So pre-convieved conclusion based on probability is illogical. You could say you don't believe in God,,, thats cool, but actually calling someane delusional or stupid makes you arrogant. I have showed most of my atheist friends these forums and they pretty much agree with me that some of you are just Atheist trolls looking for attention.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Atheists don't conclude absolutely that there is no god. But the Christian god, just like all others, makes absolutely no sense when looked at logically. Why would he feel the need to create people in the first place? Because he wanted someone to worship him? Why does he feel the need to punish people for all eternity when they doubt him, and yet tells people that he loves them? If he knows everything that will ever happen, why does he create evil people in the first place?
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee Ask yourself this and really think about this, " Why did your parents concieve you ?" If you were a deity.. what would posess you to create living beings,? ( through evolution) Why as human beings do we look to have friends ? Have relationships that head to marriage.. Next question, Your father loves you right ? Now if he were to include you in a will, but you constantly deny his love, mock his existence, break his rules and turn your back on him ....without remorse..con
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 To address your first point. If he did it through evolution, did he already know humans were going to be his chosen, and he just sat back and waited the billions of years for the planet to form and for life to evolve to the point where humans came to be? And after that, why did he decide to only reveal himself to a small tribe in the Middle East? Also, according to scriptures, didn't he have angels before he made man? Are you implying that he was lonely?
werebee 1 month ago
@Tom6093 To address your second point. There's a big difference between writing a son (who knows you exist and who has no reason to doubt that you love him) out of your will, and sending someone to be in excruciating agony for all eternity. A more fitting analogy would be that a father leaves at your birth, but has several of his friends write up a very long book to leave to you. He doesn't meet you again your entire life, but leaves you in his will if and only if you love him.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee Oh, and of course the fact that if it is determined that you don't love him, he has you killed.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee And ignored him your whole life...He still loved you, but what right would you have to the will ? God gives you your whole intire life to make the decision. All he requires is a little faith...a little love...and a committment. When you choose to ignore him, mock him, or not give one thought into ..." Maybe theres more then what this world is" Maybe..It's kinda like turning your back on your own father. He'll give his will to those who appreciated him and what he does.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Give no thought to his existence? I was raised as a Lutheran. I believed in the Christian god until my late teens. I've put plenty of thought into it.
werebee 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Wrong. Theist's don't KNOW there's more than just the physical world, but they love to imagine it, yet have no evidence to support their claims. You also don't KNOW there's more grace, compassion, love or patience in theists, you're simply repeating the rethoric youve been spoonfed in church as an advertising method.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Oh... excuse me....We have theories that there is more then just the physical world. Why come out so self Rightious ? Improbable is actually just saying low chance of something happening or existing. DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN. You people are so unbelievably to sure , theres no God ,your actually coming up with T.V. shows about it. It's really actually sad. Signs on buses, Objection to activity scenes, God on money. Wow... A little supersensitive r we ?
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 It's very hard to understand your writing, but I think I gathered enough to argue against it. TV shows where atheists answer calls? What about all the televised church services you can watch? Signs on buses? I've seen billboards saying that people who don't go to church will burn in hell. If you mean Nativity scenes on government property, they aren't legal. The government cannot endorse a particular religion. That goes for "One Nation Under God" on currency as well.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee " Freedom Of Religion" Though maybe our for fathers weren't exactly thrilled with the thiesm, Somehow....In God We Trust is still on our currency. Nativity scenes on government property shows cultural backrounds and beliefs. This shows respect towards the religious. They also have minora's. Remember, Not all people are so intolerant and supersensitive as alot of you online atheists. The government is no acception. If it were really against the law , you really honestly ...con.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Government institutions cannot legally endorse a religion. A person can put up a Nativity scene, or a Menorah, or Santa Clause, or whatever they like on public property, but the government cannot endorse a religion by putting a religious decoration on public property, be it a Nativity scene or a giant Menorah. That's why, when they're called on it, they are normally required to take it down. Christians are 75 percent of the American population. Don't act like you're victims.
werebee 1 month ago
@werebee .....get away with it. Show me evidence of such signs. My friends a bus driver, He has never seen such a sign in his 27 years of driving.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 The one that I saw was near Birmingham, Alabama. I'm not sure if it's still there, and I can't link you to other websites in comments, so I'll send you a picture of a billboard that actually says that atheists are traitors to America in a message.
werebee 1 month ago
@Tom6093 I'm not certain, because absolute certainty doesn't exist. However, given the current state of evidence for your imaginary friend (none, nada, NOTHING), i'd simply go with not believing in him. Do you believe in godzilla or the boogieman? You can't disprove their existence either, can you?
And what's wrong with free speech? Does it harm you in any way? Have you even realized how many televangelists and hypochristian boards are there in America? Your hypocrisy is simply disgusting.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Gotta love it when you manipulate my own words against me, without any validity. You atheists seem to have no problem with putting up signs on busses saying, "You can be good without God" But nature forbid an nativity scene is seen in the public, or a Christmas tree is called a Christmas tree. Yet your the same hypacrites that celebrate Christmas with trees, presents, Santa Claus, Candy Canes. Yet, " You stole Christmas ." How can you steal a day dedicated to someane ?
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Forbidding nativity scences is pretty dumb, to be honest. I simply regard them as pretty sculptures, because i enjoy art. Not sure why some actually thing this is forcing religion, but i got a real problem with people making laws based on biblical bullshit.
Btw, did you know Christmas was originally meant to celebrate the winter solstice? Christians stole the holiday. We simply celebrate because it's nice to celebrate and have a good time with people we love. Got a problem with that?
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 LMAF. Christians STOLE Christmas. Thats pathedic. The winter solstice is on the 21rst of December. So did the Jewish people still Chanukah from you also ? Fact is, CHRISTmas....Notice the first 5 letters of it..." CHRIST" I don't have a problem with anyone celebrating Christmas, religious or non. Wars have ceased for the day of Christmas, good things happen for people on Christmas. Thats what Christ is all about. Peace and Good Will Towards Men.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Listen, Nobody can steal a holiday....Lol. The winter Solstice like I said is on the 21rst. Chanukah is around the same time, there is Quanza around that time also, This is why we consider it the holiday Season. Some of you atheists are really a little super sensitive about the whole thing. Your like children arguing over who had what first. It's really kind of sad. You talk of logic and reason, but your arguments half the time don't exactly qualify as logical or reasonable.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Most of the traditions used in chrsitmas were borrowed from other cultures, which is pretty funny, considering the bible explicitly forbids this. December 25th is curiously the preferred date of birth for other deities, including Horus, Osiris, Mithra, Krishna, among others. Curiously, many of the christian stories seem awfully similar to those of these guys. What are christians playing to pretending this is exclusive to their zombie friend? No clue. Why do you build a christmas tree?
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Why does it bother you so much ? Seriously ? It seems such a waste to rip apart something you don't believe in. If your so confident about your atheism, why debate it ? Seriously, My fathers atheist. He still celebrates Christmas. He even sang the Massiah.. He just doesn't believe in God or anything supernatural. Does he complain about Christmas being stolen ? No. See this is what I mean , when I talk of radical neo Nazi atheism. You people just spread bigotry @ hate
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 I already told you. It's affecting policy and holding our progress back. It's not the harmless personal belief you seem to think it is. If it was just that, i wouldn't have a problem with it. Is that bigotry to you? I think not.
About an idea being probable, i don't believe yours, because it hasn't been demonstrated to be true. If you think it's fine to believe comfy fairytales simply because we have o better explanation, that's fine, as long as you keep it out of public policy.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 As for me, i don't believe unproven bullshit, simply because it's not within my character to hold comfy beliefs without evidence. If false hope is a good thing for you, wonderful, i guess that's your choice. The fact we don't know everything about the universe doesn't mean you can get away with placing your imaginary friend in the gap, you know? That kind of mentality settles up for the rather mediocre religious explanations instead of looking for real ones.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 " You don't believe in unproven bullshit, simply because it's not within your character to hold comfy beliefs without evidence."
So let me ask you something. With that frame of mind. Why even go with scientific discovery or technology. Hell, if people had this frame of thought, no scientific discoveries would be made because we would be afraid to explore the unanswered questions. No aviation, no computer, not a single luxery. We'd be as primitive as can be...Gillign
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Of course, human creativity is a starting point. But the fairytales themselves are NOT the theories. Theories are constructed after experimentation, documentation, confirmation of initial hypothesis. Are you seriously trying to equate desert myths to solid facts like evolution and gravity? Are you fgucking serious? The problem with your religion is that it stayed in the "imagine" step, and never advanced, because it made up it's own fallacious answers and spreaded them through coersion.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 You believe these to be fairytales because you require tangible evidence. Without a soul or spirit, you have closed yourself off to findiing the truth. If you only rely on what the world tells you...God remains a fairytale and myth. The difference between u and me is, I can truly say because I went with an open mind, heart, and spirt and didn't let what the world told me was acceptable evidence, I found God. I found peace, Grace. Forget about what you think. open y hrt.
Tom6093 1 month ago
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Tom6093 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Your an atheist, therefore, God is left out of any discovery science explores or studies. Pretty simple concept. Even with the gaps, If and when science has broken those barrers, God is left out of the equation, because science only observes and studies the physical happenings. A scientific answer or conclusion without a deity will always be given. To a theist or a believer, as long as we aren't creationists who only argue with science because it debunks the bible,...,con...
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And no, i don't rule out the possibility of there being a god. I simply remain unconvinced that he's real because nobody has ever presented evidence for his existence. All i see for his case are a bunch of logical fallacies, wishful thinking and empty imaginary threats about some fancy afterlife themepark that can go wrong if i don't believe.
Again, when you fellows claim god intercedes our physical world through miracles, he immediately becomes a scientific prospect, like it or not.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Evidence ..Physical evidence for God will never be found. Let me ask you something.. Do you believe in a soul ? Probably not. How bout spirit ? Probably not. If you search for God without believing you don't attain the soul and spirit, then you cut yourself off from finding God. Science will never find a deity . Simple as that.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 The soul is just as imaginary as this god figure, so yeah, i don;t believe such a thing even exists. Why should i believe in stuff before the actual evidence is presented? Sounds like a very sloppy way to transmit an important message. Anyways, why does it matter anyways, if your god supposedly is omnicient and already knows what's gonna happen? The problem is you fellos claim god intercedes in our world through miracles, so i have all the right to ask for phisical evidence.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 If you fail to provide such evidence, there's no reason to believe in your imaginary friend, as simple as that. Evidence you can't present to others isn't evidence. You hearing god may as well be catallogued as a case of schizophrenia, as far as i'm concerned. Now you ask me to forget about what i think? WTF is that? Why should i deliberately undermine my own intellect in order to "perhaps" access to something you promise, yet can't demonstrate to be real? Seriously???
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 While i don't agree with religious views, i can openly say i'll defend their right to speak about them. However, when you see stupid shit like theocracy trying to pass laws endorsing a specific religious group, i think we start having a problem, specially if they try to trample through other people's rights.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 You also claim we work with absolutes? Do you even understand science is, by definition, not absolutist at all? If that were the case, science would be as inflexible as (ironically) religions, which actually operate under moral absolutes, which happen to be outdated for our time. Is it not true that you believe god is the ultimate absolute judge? Is it not true that you believe your god is absolute, unchanging? Is it not true that you believe his laws are absolute? Do you enjoy irony?
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 I'm only suggesting theres a big amount of radical hateful atheists out there that rely souly on science to act as fact to argue an existence of a deity. Remember, a knowledgable person knows theres no absolutes in almost everything. They are the reasonable ones. But there are groups of atheists that look at science as the ending factual answers. I do understand the evidence stacked up against Creationists. I understand Evolution and natural Selection is a huge reality.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And yes, atheists have the right to demand empirical evidence of the so called deity. Do you know why? Because the imaginary deity has supposedly manifested himself in the real world, yet people claiming this nonsense never support their claims with evidence. This is why most of us don't believe in him. When your imaginary god trespasses the boundaries of his magical skyrealm to do stuff in our physical reality as you claim, he immediately becomes a scientific prospect, like it or not.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 About not thinking less of me, i sincerely don't mind what you want to think about me. When a person is wilfully deluded by pampering fairytales, my degree of respect for that person drops down. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. The fact someone deliberately goes way under any decent standard of evidence to support supernatural claims usually rubs as an evident lack of intellectual honesty. Tough stuff, but that's how things are in the real world.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Lol, we know the difference between fairytales and myths hellhammer666. But science will never prove changes within oneself. When you ask for physical evidence, your gonna come up empty handed. You use only tested theory and evidence for your conclusions of whats possible, shutting your eyes and turning away from the possibility of something wonderful. Your spiritually closed off and it's really sad how negative and critical alot of you are based on so much missconception.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Why shouldn't i ask for physical evidence, when you guys keep claiming god does miracles in the real world? Seriously, you guys actually believe back in the day the guy was out there doing magic acts for everyone to see his superduperpowers. Heck, you even believe his freaking son came back from the dead to walk around for a bit and fly to the sky. I mean, seriously? What's wrong with us 21st century people? Are we so unworthy of those wonderful showoffs of divine power?
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 It's really sad you only go with whats tangible and what is percieved as the, " Real world" Though it's not proven, I assure you, There is a spiritual realm, Just like there are alternate universes, Black matter, and alternate realitys. But hey, If you only want to see the black and white, instead of the full color story, I suppose living in your small reality box is what seems logical to you. But, your the one thats limiting yourself.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Sure, i can also pretend i know stuff that is currently unknowable. Does that make it true? Of course not. When you claim this kind of nonsense without evidence to support it, everyone else's disbelief is completely justified.
Do you even understand the purpose behind those bus signs? It's a protest against retarded theocrats meddling in our lifes trying to shove their imaginary friend down everyone's throats. At most you can consider it self defense, nothing else.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 See, thats what I mean. It's almost like, I look at the glass half full, and you look at the glass half empty. To me, The possibility of God seems real because for me, The evidence factor and probability factor doesn't move my theory. Simply saying it sounds crazy, theres no evidence to back it up, and the probability is low doesn't mean a thing to me. God isn't a physical being. He works through us. At least thats what I feel. Since he's spirit , he can't b proven.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 "for me" isn't important for truth. Truth will be true, regardless if you want to believe it or not. The evidence factor SHOULD be crucial to finding truth, or else we would believe whatever we feel like believing. How can we determine truth if not by objective evidence? You're right, saying that sounds crazy, and the fact you don't have evidence to back it up only validates the position of disbelieving it.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 It's fine that you don't believe it. It's fine if you would rather rely on what can be proven to conclude whats viable to you. Whats NOT fine is how you and alot of these neo ,radical atheists view people who don't share your opinion. The world doesn't revolve around your point of view. There are many diverse ways of thinking which is a very positive thing. You atheists on these forums need to be a little more tolerant. You take our position personally and it's pretty sad
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And no, we don't bash whoever doesn't share our opinion. We bash idiots who preach nonsense without any evidence to support it. If you have an opposing view, you are going to have to substantiate it in order to earn the respect you are crying for. The real problem is superstitious people using political correctness as a blanket excuse for others to accept their unproven claims. In the end, these claims deserve absolutely no respect.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 That pretty much proves my point. Anyone who counters your view on faith ....you bash . Thats whats wrong with you. You spread your bigotry, and hate towards those who don't think like you when it comes to faith and put more negative vibes into the world . Those who express their religious views in government have their right to practice those rights. You hate them for what ? Slowing down scientific study ? Excuses..excuses. If anything we want to explore the positiive in S
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Didn't you understand? You can have an opposing point of view. If you're able to substantiate it and structure it with valid arguments, i will respect you and acknowledge you make a good point. Unfortunately for you, you haven't been able to make a valid case for your imaginary friend, so i have no intention to grant you free respect you haven't deserved. That's not bigotry, it's called a standard of rational discussion.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And you're right, even politicians have a right to believe whatever they want. What they don't have a right to do is force their particular beliefs down everyone's throats. That's a direct violation fo the US constitution's first amendment, in case you haven't realized it by now. Being a burden to scientific research is a problem. In a world where scientific research is a necessity to come up with new breakthroughs, clinging to bronze age myths and deliberately slowing it IS a problem.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 It's another missconception that we slow down progress. Isolated groups of radical theists try to fight stem cell research, but I have never met one person who argues it...or science for that matter. I think honestly you single these people out and then make all of faith guilty by association. Homosexuality ? I know 4 churches that have lesbian or gay ministers . Many Christians who aren't born again don't agree with how the bible views things. Too many generalizations
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 When you see idiotic biblical literalists that still believe the world is 6000 years old slow down stuff like stemcell research, it IS a problem. In a world where countless children are born with painful diseases that could be cured by this kind of scientific research, what could be worse than a bunch of scientifically illiterate, self-righteous lunatics trying to obstruct scientific research? I'm sorry, but this kind of people aren't needed, and shouldn't be driving the ship.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And i'm not generalizing. I know plenty of rational christians, and i respect them because they don't try to force their beliefs on policy. But sadly that's not the case of many American politicians, who use Jesus as just another catchy advertising item in order to get the redneck vote. That's frankly disgusting. Those crazy dishonest theocrats are the ones that concern me the most, and it's one of the reasons why guys like Matt do what they do.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Christians believe abortion is murder. I disagree with abortion accept if a women is either going to die , or the women was raped. Stem Cell reseach I'm all for. Science I'm all for it. Evolution definitely and I know the earth is more like 4.6 billion years old. Creationists only argue these points because they believe a verse tells them not to question it. I believe God is more then just a book or customs or even religion..
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 You may pretend to agree with science all you want. You're still failing to realize that claiming your god intercedes in this physical universe of ours (talking to you giving signals and such marvelous displays of sloppy communication) makes your god an object of scientific study. When we can't find it, i'm afraid your god simply poofs back into the deep imaginary abyss he crawled out from.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 - Hellhammer- I'm done debating with you. Your assumptions are unreasonable. Don't assume I pretend to know anything. Now your just digging for argument sake. This is my problem with most of you online atheists. When it gets to the point where you assume, I'm pretending I agree with something , then the debate turns away from just arguing each others side to basically, " He/She are telling themselfs that they believe this or that. Trust me, I'm all for science.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 If you're "all for science", then why can't you accept the fact that claiming an unproven god intervenes our physical universe makes him a scientific prospect? Instead of acknowledging this is rather contradictory of your "i'm all for science" claim, you try to hide your god beyond the scope of science, even though you believe he meddles with it. This is what i can't understand about your position. If you deity is defined in such terms, it's unexistent if science can't even study it.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And that's not an assumption, that's a rational conclusion given the imput you folks have provided for this god character. I already told you why faith isn't a way to discover truths. Faith is, by definition, unreasonable. It seeks to skip reason and land on the truth category without any effort, but somehow we're strident for pointing that anomaly out? Yes, using faith to find truth is wrong. I'm sorry logic doesn't support your made up reality scheme.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 To many generalizations, not enouph fact. You can't assume all of us think the same, and base a bigoted view on religion due to speculation. It's not reasonable which is why I argue on these forums. It's not your disbelief in God thats my problem. It's the intolerant , hateful and unjust judging on people thats wrong. Your spreading prejudicism and arrogance very much like how you view religion. Your all hypacrites. Your only adding to the drama, and nothing positive.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Am i really a hypocrite for trying to reinforce reason and evidence? I think not. As i mentioned before, you're just crying because your bronze age fantasies aren't equated to thorough scientific investigation. You would expect your primitive fables to be taught just like any other evaluated scientific theory just because you think it's valid? You need to get real and realize none of that mystical bullshit has ever been demonstrated, and that's why it's kept out of science class.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Lol. Science only answers with physical examination...Not spiritual, nothing that goes beyond what humanity finds possible. Humanity is fallible, and to think otherwise isn'/t reasonable. There hasn't been one argument on these forums that have made a good enouph point just to rely on science or to give up on the spiritual side. I don't find your arguments reasonable enouph to turn from faith. Simple as that.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And yeah, science answers with phisical examination, because it's field of study is the physical universe we happen to exist into. You're still failing to realize that as soon as your alleged miracle god begins messing with our physical universe, he becomes a scientific prospect, just like any other physical phenomena studied by science.
And yeah, humanity is fallible, so? So is the childish and mediocre idea of an imaginary skydaddy watching over us, but never showing up to prove it.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 The fact we don't know everything about our own existence doesn't mean you can place your imaginary friend in the gap. That's not only dishonest, but lazy as well. Basically, your god is only one big fat argument from ignorance, period. You wanna believe in this magic spirit realm you claim to exist, yet fail to prove real? Be my guest, i honestly don't give a damn about that. You're able to rot your mind with whatever imaginary bullshit you like, as long as you don't mess with others.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Theres a difference between believing in a deity and then if science doesn't answer a question , then it's filled in with God. Yes, people do that, but don't just assume I follow suit. You argue with the same rediculous arguments that every other online self rightious , arrogant atheist does on these forums. Basically to you online atheists, if a deity isn't proven by science it can't exist. Oh.....alright...yeah....thats reasonable. Oh... and using faith is wrong.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 But see, Simply saying something doesn't exist because #1- theres no evidence. or #2- It sounds crazy, doesn't mean it can't exist. But for some reason, you online atheists take it upon yourselfs to call the case closed, And God forbid we think differently. Now , since we do , we all belong in mental hospitals. Well, There goes 75 % of the communitty. There goes a shit load of doctors, lawyers, business exectutives, Pharmisists, firemen, ect. Not to mention Judges.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 we say case closed because that is the way we (humanity) deal with every single other aspect of our lives. If there is no evidence for something and it sounds crazy, you don't accept it. That's just plain common sense.
nuberiffic 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And sure, i never claimed it doesn't exist. I simply remain unconvinced of this god's existence because all you religious folks bring up can't even qualify as evidence:
Personal experience
Revelation
Feelings in your heart
Spirit
Soul
At most, these things actually need to be demonstrated first. All you've done is clutter the question with even more questionmarks. You;re still trying to use ad populum arguments to try and strenghten an already feeble argument, btw. Not smart.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Do you know, in order to be a Supreme Court or Federal Court Judge you have to have a mental exam. Now if what you atheists think is true, then there are plenty of people who are lawyers and and judges that shouldn't be. Including my Uncle in Alexandria Virginia. But see heres my theory. Because most atheists that I know out in public are reasonable enouph to know, religion doesn't define a person as a whole. Most people are generally pretty tolerant . ...con...
Tom6093 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 ...con.. Most people are pretty tolerant of differences in society. It's only atheists like the ones on these forums that make faith out to be evil and take offense to it. I swear, up until I got on these forums, Lol, I had no idea people actually hated and judged so critically on religion. Atheists were cool in my book and still are, as long as they don't critisize others for their differences. But this hate and critisism you have for faith is another form of prejudice .
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 And don't get me wrong. If you want to believe any of this nonsense, i will proudly defend your right to do so. The problem i have with these primitive beliefs is that they are being forced into our societies, leading to deliberate violations of certain minoritie's most basic rights. If people believed their superstitious nonsense, but kept them to themselves, i wouldn't really have a problem with that, unless their desitions are directly affected by that flawed perception of reality.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Nothing has been proven or disproven. And these show called primitve beliefs actually improve lives. These beliefs bring meaning to people. Whether God exists or not, This belief helps people . Why do you take such offense to that ? All you see are the negatives, and build intolerance for something that may not help you, but helps so many other people. Who are you to judge ? Your so stuck on religion in government , politics,, but you don't see the peace of mind .
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Correct, and because they haven't been proven, i won't believe them only because they feel better, regardless of how "improving" they may happen to be. These beliefs bring meaning to people because their foundation is deliberately crippling the human morale to reconstruct a certain sense of purpose with them at it's core. That's not improving a life, that's building a mirage. Regardless of how "positive" you may want to believe lying to yourself is, it's still remain unproven.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Who am i to judge? Probably nobody, but i actually care if my beliefs are true or not. However, i am somebody to point out the evident flaws in this mindset, and why it messes people's minds up. It's not really my problem if people find comfort in intellectual dishonesty, but political correctness shouldn't be used as an excuse to allow this bullshit to keep tyrampling the human rationale as it has done for so many centuries with pretty sad consequences.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@Tom6093 I already told you i don't care if you believe magic crap and keep it to yourself. In that case i suppose the only affected would be your own self for not being able to be honest with your own intellect. And yeah, i will continue to point it out on our governments, because it IS a problem when religion and public policy get mixed up.
And i don't need to appeal to wishful thinking and primitive superstition to find peace of mind, although i think it's rather tragic some people do.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 well said
58jf59 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 Thats why theres a void between atheists and those with faith. Atheists simply don't move beyond the evidence and probability factor.l And the funny thing is, those that do look beyond that are ridiculed for it. Why ? If we are wrong...so what. We all pay bills, work , raise families, So we think differently on the point of believing in a deity that you don't. We are still people making our way through life. Why can't we all just put aside our differences and gt along?
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 This is exactly why those "willing to look beyond" are ridiculed. Evidence dictates beliefs in every other aspect of life, but somehow, when it comes to religious belief, evidence is shamelessly discarded to grant undeserved validity to pampering fairytales. That's precisely my porblem with the religious midnset. Now, this isn't particularly harmful when kept personal, but when you see crazy theocrats forcing this shit on everyone through retarded laws, it begins affecting everyone.
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 What evidence are you referring too ? Evolution ? Natural selection ? All they do is disprove a Creationists view. Listen , The universe holds many secrets that go beyond what science can prove. Least stay somewhat realistic . Why is it necessary to only accept what is proven or can be proven. If we don't move beyond that, We'll never make any progress. The idea that because something sounds improbable and unproven ,doesn't mean it can't exist. Break out of that mindset.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 So your gonna fight what you feel is arrogance with prejudism ? " These theists piss me off so lets prove a point to the theocrats and put signs on buses proclaiming our non belief in God. " " Yeah...that'll get our point across and we'll gain some respect " Lol.
Thankfully not all atheists have this mentallity and are alot more tolerant. Your atittude , like alot of the Nazi radical atheists is no more respectable then a a Evangelistic Christians.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@hellhammerz666 As for your belief that I'm supersticious and everything I believe is nonesense. Thats your right !!!! The difference is, Lol...I don't think less of you because of it. Could you say the feeling is mutual ?
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 Science can't be absolutist, because it needs to keep refining itself. This is how science builds up knowledge, and this is why atheists generally trust it. Heck, even most theists do, despite the fact they don't seem to apply the same logic when it comes to their imaginary fantasies, which is pretty sad.
In the end, evidence is how you come to KNOW stuff, so why should we believe your superstitious nonsense before you put some evidence on the table? Oh yes...faith! (aka gullibility).
hellhammerz666 1 month ago
Theres always gonna be a void between atheists and people of faith on the burden of proof , simply because, atheists rely strictly on what logical to them, and what can be scientifically proven and backed up with evidence , or they won't believe it. They feel there is no reason 2. They feel if they are told, God is intangible, invisible, and works inside us, It sounds crazy.
Atheists ..listen, As crazy as you think we are, God is something you have to experience yourselfs. Trust me.
Tom6093 1 month ago
@Tom6093 ..ok I'll ask you sir if you dont mind..people of faith said that no need for evidence in order to have faith..ok first my question are you a christian? so if ever in the bible jesus in the bible didnt rise again from the dead, do you still have FAITH in Jesus? ...hmm i guess not right..? ..see you people of faith also looking for evidence the only different between you and us atheists we are looking for a factual evidence and not just for some hearsay..btw sorry for my bad english..
momon76 1 month ago
SoG is either mentally defunct, or just a liar. I saw his original video, and what he said is not taken out of context here. He actually said that Matt's point was that "unicorns" prove atheism in his video (followed by a chuckle), while ignoring why the unicorn metaphor was brought up to begin with. It was an example of a non-provable claim, nothing more. I'm puzzled by the religious who take Shock seriously, most of them are smarter than that.
TempleOfInanna2 1 month ago
why's he bloggin on a motorbike xD
Sm0k4bl3 1 month ago
I know this video is two years old, but I hope people learn to just ignore him. I truly believe he's a troll, and I don't think he's as stupid as he acts when it comes to this illogical question. I think he's doing it just to piss off atheists, to 'troll' them into a response, and understandably, it works.
Managasm 1 month ago