Inaccuracy & the Carcano is often due to muzzle & erosion from corrosive primers of military load in rifles not properly cleaned after use. From the chrome upper and lower bands of your rifle it is a parade gun and likely well cleaned after use. The Oswald Carcano was one of 100 "Guardia del Duce" guns, according to Hobb's book, which means it was also well cared for in its service life. A Carcano with a good bore is capable of tight groups, although battle site still limits ultimate accuracy.
@cleoshepardchou What are the odds that a "Guardia del Duce" weapon would turn up as part of a cheap consignment of surplus Carcano field rifles? I think they are slim and none and slim left town already.
@conspiracydog11 Don't know odds, it is strange. Voyage of Oswald's rifle well documented in "The Gun" and specifics in "Carcano" by Hobbs. Also to add to mix, film of Bay of Pigs invasion shows troops practicing with M38 Carcanos. Half of WCC ammo sold as surplus, what was other half used for? Hmm
@cleoshepardchou I have a 6.5 Carcano in my collection but it is just one of the cheep field weapons. It neither looks or shoots as good as this one in the video.
What is really not mentioned often is the price of the 6.5mm ammo. At the same store Lee purchased the weapon they had ammo for sale. The price was $7.50 for a pack of six rounds. That's over 50 bucks in 2011 dollars. Where did Lee get the money for all this shooting?
@conspiracydog11 Oswald mailordered rifle from Klein's in Chicago under name A. Hidell. Ammo was $7.50/100rds, made by Western Cartridge Company in the 1950's for an aborted plan to invade Albania. Several million rounds ordered, half used by US military other half sold as surplus. Try to find an old American Rifleman, circa 1963 that has the Klein's ad. There's a book called Carcano by Hobbs, and another book called "The Gun" as well as Lattimer's book on Lincoln & Kennedy assassinations .
@conspiracydog11 Don't know about the Klein's video but contemporaneous ad were $7.50/100 + one clip. Other ads of era, Hunter's Lodge in Virginia sold Italian military for $6/100 as did Vic's for Guns out of Texas. So while Kleins was pricey, the ammo was decade old US production, non-corrosive and reloadable compared to 20 to 60 year old Italian surplus. $1.33 per round in 1963 was very expensive. Wish I could post old Klein's ad I have.
@cleoshepardchou Thank you, you don't know how much I appreciate this. The Klein's video is on my channel. It was shot by a local Chicago station on Nov 22, 1963. I think you might find it interesting. I don't think anyone has discovered yet where Lee Oswald's ammo actually came from. Again, thank you so much.
@conspiracydog11 If you freeze @ 0.36 you can see the ammo line clearly "E20-751 6.5mm Italian military ammo, 108 rds (6-shot clip free) $7.50. Found a copy of the American Rifleman, October 1963, page 85 with ad. Wish could post it or E-mail it to you. Heard reporter, he got it wrong (surprised? Cronkite referred to it as a 65mm [2 1/2inches] caliber rifle). Ammo was readily available, Lattimer obtained several cases for his book. Can still find some w/ collectors $40-60/box (not to shoot).
@cleoshepardchou Thank you for pointing that out. I was always a bit suspicious of that statement but reporters do make mistakes. Anyway Oswald did not purchase the ammo and a clip did not come with the order. This is notable because in the carefully prepared list of items recovered from the "snipers nest" a clip is not mentioned. Hmm again.
@conspiracydog11 When found, rifle had 1 round in chamber and clip still in magazine housing. Clips don't always fall out in Carcanos. Ammo was readily available 49 years ago. Old ads starting from mid-'50s had listing for Italian rifles & ammo, first was the aid to Spanish Civil war surplus, along w/Russian "Mexicanski's", and Spanish '93 Mausers. Later Carcano guns & ammo from British lots, Italian govt., then the US WCC surplus Oswald used.
@cleoshepardchou Thank you, you don't know how much I appreciate this. The Klein's video is on my channel. It was shot by a local Chicago station on Nov 22, 1963. I think you might find it interesting. I don't think anyone has discovered yet where Lee Oswald's ammo actually came from. Again, thank you so much.
I am a former Marine and radar technician. I shoot expert with the 5.56 at distances of 600 meters. I own a carcano, (7.35), and it has a very strong action and acurrate fire. Anything under 300 yards with the iron sights is a piece of cake. With the low recoil, rapid follow up shots are possible. I just don't see why people have such a problem believing one rifleman could do this.
All it takes is a clip at the range to verify zero and get comfortable with the weapon.
@yfna1 It's well documented by witnesses at the range, and Marina Oswald, that LHO practiced at the range and somewhat regularly after acquiring the rifle. One witness even helped him zero his 4x scope. They usually leave that out of conspiracy books, and Oliver Stone wouldn't know the truth if a naked Indian walked up and blew bong hits in his face. Oswald had been a marine, and hit targets at more than twice the range he hit JFK w/ nothing but iron sights.
@frankdrebin Well documented where? Where are these documents? Oswald was a marine but he was a radar operator not an infantryman. Perhaps you are aware of his poor qualifications while in the Marines as well since you bring it up. Oh and he wasn't shooting at moving targets, through foliage when the first shot was supposedly fired, with a bolt action rifle, let alone one using ww2 surplus ammo, and in such poor condition.
@yfna1 Warren Commission, surely you read that, right? You paid for it. He was still a Marine, and had to hit targets at 200 yards w/ iron sights. He wasn't Carlos Hathcock, but clearly he could shoot, and had firearms training above and beyond most, if not all, conspiracy fruit bats. Why is it if he's such a bad shot, or had to make such miraculous shots, that every bullet or fragment ever found in regard to the assassination came from his rifle at the exclusion of all others?
@frankdrebin So in the Warren Commission report they detail specific events of Oswald practicing at shooting ranges? I know of one event detailed there, and you don't mention the Warren Commission managed to find no record of Oswald ever having done so, outside of the testimony of a few. No receipts, even from the gun ranges, no spent brass, no record having purchased ammunition, no spare ammunition found in his room, or the Paines residence. He went to assassinate the President with 4 rounds.
@yfna1 There's even a video here of witnesses who encountered Oswald at the range. One recounts the scene used in Oliver Stone's JFK, where Oswald shoots someone else's target. But in reality it was actually Oswald, and not some black operator from the CIA. They even comment he was practicing rapid fire. Sorry, apparently can't put links in comments. So because no receipts were found, he couldn't have been there? Yup, he apparently did intend to assassinate the POTUS w/ 4 rounds, and did.
@frankdrebin Yes he did have firearms training, but as I indicated he never did well, even after the most intensive firearms training he would ever receive he was mediocre. Why assume he managed to become more proficient in the intervening years? Hypothetically if Oswald were the patsy, would you expect to find bullets from any other rifle? Wouldn't that defeat the lone killer hypothesis. Not all of the fragments were in a condition to match ballistics, so you can't honestly say that either.
Excellent work Ernest. I am going to be purchasing a Carcano very soon. I would like to post some video responses to you at some point. Most of all, I'd like to support your arguments about the JFK myths. If anything, I think it would be a fun excuse to get out and shoot...lol
That's hilarious... I own a WW2 Carcano yet didn't even know you could fit +1 in it. Then again I've yet to shoot the damn thing because I cant find the ammo, and I still gotta get a press/casings for 6.5x52. lol
@NormanMatchem PriviPartisan makes ammo that is currently imported for 6.5 Carcano.
Cabela carries it among others. Most large gun shows have big ammo dealers that regularly carry this and other newly made cartridges for not only for Italian, but also Swiss, Swedish, French, Japanese, Austrian, Russian, etc., obsolete rifles.
Hey I'm not a gun expert so pls forgive me for this uneducated question. but what is the spit of dust right before or might be after the strike. Can you explain it, it is fascinating me.
@TheUncannykodiak That is the bullet wacking the hill 400 yards away . remember that the speed of sound is only 650 Miles per hour whereas light travels at 167,000 miles per second , therefore you see the dust fly before you hear the hit .
i recently discovered a Terni Carcano M91 in my grandfathers attic. but it looks like it isn't functional. there is a metal rod in the cartridge bay that isnt attached to anything and that jiggles up and down when you move the rifle. i have begun repairing it. before you couldn't even bring the bolt back to the firing position, but with some oil and elbow grease it is functional again. but it seems like there was something attached to the front. maybe a K-Bar. anyway, can you write me back?
@LaineClarkJr That rod is the cartridge riser. It pushes up the next cartridge so the bolt can strip it from the clip. Sounds like the riser spring is either stuck or broken.
What state is the range you are shooting at in most of your videos?... Zona? Back here on the east coast its not an easy task to find a range longer then 200yds. Im seriously thinking of relocating out west.... Love the fact that your out in the desert shooting at 800yd targets with your 1861 Springfield like its no big deal....
I have one that a Old man gave to me about 20 years ago and it was in peaces , My friend and I were talking about old guns and I took it out and it's missing the Complete Trigger Guard section . I looked it up on GOOGLE and found all the numbers match and every thing about including getting missing parts it and Im hopping to get it to work and try it out at my property in NC
@mag30th Finally, my comment was on the difficulties found in shooting a moving target which also has a different - and changing - elevation from mine. Especially when you have to do it quickly and accurately, and with a bolt action. Therefore, we definitely only had a misunderstanding.
@mag30th Again, it wasn't my intention at all to doubt your shooting skills, which in turn I appreciate along with your series of videos. And I think I can express fair opinions on the matter, having extensively used - on the range and in operation - anything with a straight shot with a caliber between 5.56 to 106mm - comprising a bunch of anti-tank missiles.
@mag30th I am sorry if my comment sounded rude, and if you think so I apologise for not being clear: My doubts are only based on the fact that the video can be seen as trying to prove something about the JFK assassination. Instead if we are only talking about your shooting skills I honestly think you achieved very good results with that obsolete carbine.
I am on Army Officer and I taught how to shoot to 1500+ soldiers, and I really appreciate your intentions with this video, but in order to prove something IMO you should use cardboard targets and show them before and after the shooting sequence; in fact, looking at this video I get the following impressions:
1) the quick sequences are fast but not so accurate;
2) the long range shots are mostly out of - a big - target.
Finally, pls note that in shooting, *Angle and Motion are simply everything*.
I'm coming out to Valencia in August, we'll have to arrange a trip to A Place to Shoot. I just picked up a 7.35mm Carcano (1939), one of the rifles they gave to Finland (it's an "SA" rifle). I can see why Oswald chose it, it's light, small, and the bolt action is actually pretty smooth allowing for a smooth and quick rate of fire. With a scope at less than 100 yards, this rifle could be pretty destructive in moderately-skilled hands.
I kick myself every time I see a Carcano video like this. I had a chance to buy one about 20 years ago for $50. It was in nice shape with a great bore and flawless crown. But no, I bought the ignorant BS that they are inherently inaccurate. Oh well... I didn't reload then. Glad I didn't listen to the people who said the same about my Steyr M95.
Can that en bloc clip be loaded with less than six rounds? I'm asking because Oswald's rifle had one round in the chamber when found, and of course the three spent shells nearby, for a total of four rounds. A clip was found with the rifle.
I saw one last night standing against the wall at a buddies house. Pulled the bolt and it has strong L&G and bright bore. Locks up tight too. Is $150.00 a good price?
I own both the Carcano carbine and the standard M1938 Carcano Rifle. They are both wicked small game rifles. I carry either one for casual hunting because they are light and handy, and the bolt action is quick and positive. Even though the carbine has fixed, non-adjustable sights, I regularly nail groundhogs right in the pie-hole from 50 to 80 meters. The longer rifle is good over open sights out to 200 meters. I use Norma Factory Standard Ammo.
Because then the issue becomes my shooting abilities, and moves away from LHO's.
I have no difficulty at all striking moving targets with this or any of my firearms, and I doubt LHO had little difficulty striking a target 60 yards distance, moving only 11MPH directly away from him, from his perspective. JFK was nearly motionless at 60-90 yards.
I had one as a kid , it was purchased for ten dollars .The old ammo would sometimes hang fire. Mine was full rifle length and was chosen from a barrel full of them with a few Remington rolling blocks in caliber 43 Spanish. I was told that these guns were used as ballast in ships.
LOL nicely done. Kinda proves yiou can fire this rifle quickly and accurately. That someone who owns one can be very familar with it and shoot it accurately and quickly. Kinda like LHO in 1963...
In your brief history, it might be of interest to note that many of the 7.35mm M38 carcanos were sold to Finland in 1940, ond also saw limited use in the Continuation War between Russia and Finland in 1941-1944, even though it appears the Finns weren't too fond of the "Terni's".
Hey I would like to know where you found the evidence that the CIA purchased these guns and used them in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Thanks for your help.
@sniperfreak223 This *might* be because, unlike the majority of other rifles, you should aim aligning the top of the front sight with the lowest of the "V" of the rear sight (makng the front blade barely visible). If the rifles were given out with little training, confident that most people in Finnland were already fit for fighting, they would then aim "a la mauser" aligning the front sight with the top line of the rear sight filling th "V" and shooting too high.
My grandpa just gave me his 41' carcano but he never fired it, i was wonderin if those clips that the bullets fit into are hard to find? or do you even need them?
well you must have them to load the weapon... all italian model 1891 rifles use the mannlicher feeding sistem, wich uses a enbloc clip like the garand
@trasuranic Clip feeding was invented as a means to fast reload the infanry's weapons in the days when machine guns were rare things and used as artillery pieces in the worlds armies , about 1890 to 1900 .
Quicker and more reliable for stressed conscripts in the heat of battle than pausing to thumb individual rounds into the mag .
Prior to that the weapon would be used to fire all the mag off first and then after that as a single shot , then reload another single round + fire .
I wish youtube was around in the 80's. I spent a lot of my youth happily reloading beautiful 140 gr Sierra boattails .264's into one of these carbines and only getting moderate hunting accuracy. But man could those nickel military stuff penetrate gum trees. I've seen them go through trees3-4 feet thick and i'm sure they didn't slow down.
I saw Carcano rifles being sold for $10.00 many years ago, they were stacked in a large barrel with Enfield MK 3 rifles in a hardware store. I was told that they were used for ballast in ships ! The old ammo hang fires.
Thanks for the great video but i have one question. With the JFK shootings you have proved that he could have gotten off all the shots, but the problem is that his target was moving. Would it still be as easy as you say to get off the required shots on a moving target?
Fucile 91/38 means that is a rifle developed in 1938 from the original 1891
it's like M16>M4
p.s.
loading manually a carcano is dageours, if you chamber the round whitout engaging first the extractor the bolt could blow up (cause if you put the round in the chamber and then closing the bolt the extractor could smash the rim and rip the bottom of the cartridge
The comment about manually loading the Carcano is true with the long-rifle, but it is not true with the Carbine.
The extractor is different on the carbine version; the extractor opens very easily when closed over a casing, unlike the other Carcanos.
In fact, the LR Carcanos it is nearly impossible to hot-load an additional round, while the carbine clips very easily and does not cause any extractor damage whatsoever to the casing face.
it could still happnes, i think that the last time in italian army was in 1955 in the AA school of sabaudia with a 91/38ts not sure if the guy was killed or "just" blinded
the difference between you lho is that you are an expert rifleman while lho could barley qualify with his weapon in usmc. you can make the shots but could he.i watch all your videos sgtking and iraqvet88 because i enjoy watching skilled shooters. i was a sniper in 6th id
Not true about him barely qualifying. USMC Major Eugene D Anderson testified that Marine Corps records show that on 12/21/56 Oswald fired a 212 on the range, with his M1 rifle, qualifying him as a sharpshooter. Four years later, prior to leaving the USMC, he fired a score of 191, qualifying him as a marksman. Kennedy was only 60-88 yards from Oswald.
Most of his target practice(per his wife) with his Carcano took place at the Trinity River, where he used the levee as a backstop.
This was a very good shooting , probably the best I've seen. I have the same Mannlicher- Carcano strp feeder. Is it possible to mount a scope on a Bulgarian calvary M95? My greatgrandfather was a calvarymen in WWII in Macedonia. He probably used the Bulgarian calvary M95, but he wasn't a sniper, but corpolar in the Bulgarian artillery.
Its called the jet effect, and can be easily recreated.
On the other hand, those who believe that he was shot from the front, have NEVER been able to shoot a head or a head replica, from the front, and cause the head to motion the same direction as the bullets direction.
There was a small entrance wound in the back of the head and a large exit wound in the top front right portion of skull which clearly indicates a bullet fired from behind.
The grassy knoll was to the front right of the limosine so it would have been an impossibility to shoot the President in the back of the head from that location.
the real problem with carcano inaccuracy is the bullet diameter
the italian 6.5 mm is a 0.268 shot while a lot of 6.5 mm are 0.264 or even smaller, this cause the bullet to bounce for the whole lenght of the barrel greatly reducing accuracy
also sights are very different from other rifles (firs of all the open notch is not a tanget one, like mauser i.e.) and in the old version are setted for 300 (combat sight) 450 (second set) and the from 600 meters to 2km
I have two Carcanos (among a dozen or so military rifles.) I can say that I enjoy shooting the Carcanos because they are very accurate. my 6.5 has a 27 inch barrel and the 7.35 about 20 inches. I've replaced the sights on the 7.35 with williams fire sights and the thing is now the easiest gun I have to shoot.
il "91" e il miglior fucile della seconda guerra mondiale
micidiale e preciso ..un mio amico pace all'anima sua, mi disse che ricorda che nel 42 molti alleati prendevano il 91 dalle armi catturate e lo usavano loro ,perche era preciso, semplice e robustissimo
tanto da avere il doppio della portata di un altro fucile analogo
The 160grainer has a SD equivalent to a 220g .30 cal bullet and penetrates better than the lower energy at range than most would expect. The 160g 6.5 is also one of the most stable, thus accurate to be found.
I've always been a fan of the 6.5 bullet, particularly 6.5x55. I've been thinking of buying a Carcano in 6.5x52 as I enjoy a challenging refinshing project.
I haven't seen any Prvi 0.268" bullets. They are all 0.264". Grafs has Hornady bullets that I use: 160 gr and 0.268" diameter. Try this part number at Grafs: HRN2645B.
It is a Carcano made at one of several Italian national armories. Others include Terni (FAT), Gardone Val Trompia (VT), Ordnance Roma (OR), etc.
The bullet used to kill JFK was a 0.268" diameter combat load made by the US for eventual use in the invasion of Cuba, not a 0.264 plinking load. The 6.5x52mm 0.268" round is very accurate and hard-hitting at medium range, under 200m say.
If you have a Italian Carcano M1938 Fucile Corto (short rifle or carbine), it has standard fixed twist rifling. They did cut down some of the Italian Mannlicher Carcano Model 1891 long rifles (Fucile di Fanteria) into carbines. If you have one of these, it has gain twist rifling. A strong light and a close examination of the rifling may help you determine what you have.
i have seen jfk with costner. and there is a moment on the trial when they shows a 8mm film .shows that the second bullet destroyed kennedy´s face, that was tottally impresive
Yes i was wondering about the back butplate on the carcano. If you take of the but plate on your rifle is there a little house on the back of it Because there is on mine. I was just wondering about that.
Not true, it was a standard Carcano, nearly identical to mine. Plus JFK was so close he could have been easily hit with any rifle of that time, even with open sights.
thank you for clearing that up. Heh, I'm better with iron sights. When the holosight's acting up (EOtech) I flip over to iron, use Kentucky windage and nail the target. So much for hi tech. I also love the term "Obsolete". If a gun could stop a buffalo dead in it's tracks 200 years ago, it can do it today. Great video's.
Great video! I have a 1941 Terni MADE ITALY 6.5 with an Ordnance Optics scope. Only thing mine lacks to be and Oswald clone is an Airweight .38 Colt shoulder sling. I have vintage Italian military (NO WAY will I ever shoot this awful, hang firing junk, display only ammo!!!) as well as Western Cartridge rounds (VERY powerful, good ammo). Accurate, quick bolt action, sweet rifle. I will post some clips of this weapon in action in the near future. Again, great video, thanks for posting!
Most all rifles the shoot 6.5mm bullets, were designed for .264 diameter bullets, but for some resason the Italians designed the barrels for a .268. Finding .268 diameter bullets are also hard to find, causing most people who reload their carcanos to use the .264.
I have a 7.35 mm M1938 Carcano with Finnish proof marks. With open sights it will consistantly hit a 2 ft square plate at 400 yards. I am sure if scoped it will do at least as good as the 6.5mm in this video. I have fired hundreds of rounds of full power military loads through the rifle with no problems whatever. If in good condition they are safe weapons. The only Carcano I would hesitate to shoot would be the 7.92 Mauser conversions which exceeds the safe design parameters of the rifle.
Even though heat treating wasn't the cause of this particular rifle's failure, I'd still be a little squeamish about firing one based on my experience in metalworking. I've seen crystalline grain structure in severe examples of metal failure, although usually it was in welded joints under tremendous load. Sometimes you see it in tool steel that wasn't tempered at all, but this will usually be obvious in a hardness test.
ive still got 5 boxes of original bullets i sold the rifle 18 years ago
alianstuff 4 days ago
Inaccuracy & the Carcano is often due to muzzle & erosion from corrosive primers of military load in rifles not properly cleaned after use. From the chrome upper and lower bands of your rifle it is a parade gun and likely well cleaned after use. The Oswald Carcano was one of 100 "Guardia del Duce" guns, according to Hobb's book, which means it was also well cared for in its service life. A Carcano with a good bore is capable of tight groups, although battle site still limits ultimate accuracy.
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
@cleoshepardchou What are the odds that a "Guardia del Duce" weapon would turn up as part of a cheap consignment of surplus Carcano field rifles? I think they are slim and none and slim left town already.
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
@conspiracydog11 Don't know odds, it is strange. Voyage of Oswald's rifle well documented in "The Gun" and specifics in "Carcano" by Hobbs. Also to add to mix, film of Bay of Pigs invasion shows troops practicing with M38 Carcanos. Half of WCC ammo sold as surplus, what was other half used for? Hmm
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
@cleoshepardchou I have a 6.5 Carcano in my collection but it is just one of the cheep field weapons. It neither looks or shoots as good as this one in the video.
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
Well, so much for the comments that this rifle was very inacurate. Except for the price of the ammo, the gun should be a good collector !
PRACERZ 2 months ago
What is really not mentioned often is the price of the 6.5mm ammo. At the same store Lee purchased the weapon they had ammo for sale. The price was $7.50 for a pack of six rounds. That's over 50 bucks in 2011 dollars. Where did Lee get the money for all this shooting?
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@conspiracydog11 Oswald mailordered rifle from Klein's in Chicago under name A. Hidell. Ammo was $7.50/100rds, made by Western Cartridge Company in the 1950's for an aborted plan to invade Albania. Several million rounds ordered, half used by US military other half sold as surplus. Try to find an old American Rifleman, circa 1963 that has the Klein's ad. There's a book called Carcano by Hobbs, and another book called "The Gun" as well as Lattimer's book on Lincoln & Kennedy assassinations .
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
@cleoshepardchou Thank you so much for this info but my Klein's video plainly states it was sold at $7.50 for six rounds. Strange,,,,
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
@conspiracydog11 Don't know about the Klein's video but contemporaneous ad were $7.50/100 + one clip. Other ads of era, Hunter's Lodge in Virginia sold Italian military for $6/100 as did Vic's for Guns out of Texas. So while Kleins was pricey, the ammo was decade old US production, non-corrosive and reloadable compared to 20 to 60 year old Italian surplus. $1.33 per round in 1963 was very expensive. Wish I could post old Klein's ad I have.
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
@cleoshepardchou Thank you, you don't know how much I appreciate this. The Klein's video is on my channel. It was shot by a local Chicago station on Nov 22, 1963. I think you might find it interesting. I don't think anyone has discovered yet where Lee Oswald's ammo actually came from. Again, thank you so much.
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
@conspiracydog11 If you freeze @ 0.36 you can see the ammo line clearly "E20-751 6.5mm Italian military ammo, 108 rds (6-shot clip free) $7.50. Found a copy of the American Rifleman, October 1963, page 85 with ad. Wish could post it or E-mail it to you. Heard reporter, he got it wrong (surprised? Cronkite referred to it as a 65mm [2 1/2inches] caliber rifle). Ammo was readily available, Lattimer obtained several cases for his book. Can still find some w/ collectors $40-60/box (not to shoot).
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
@cleoshepardchou Thank you for pointing that out. I was always a bit suspicious of that statement but reporters do make mistakes. Anyway Oswald did not purchase the ammo and a clip did not come with the order. This is notable because in the carefully prepared list of items recovered from the "snipers nest" a clip is not mentioned. Hmm again.
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
@conspiracydog11 When found, rifle had 1 round in chamber and clip still in magazine housing. Clips don't always fall out in Carcanos. Ammo was readily available 49 years ago. Old ads starting from mid-'50s had listing for Italian rifles & ammo, first was the aid to Spanish Civil war surplus, along w/Russian "Mexicanski's", and Spanish '93 Mausers. Later Carcano guns & ammo from British lots, Italian govt., then the US WCC surplus Oswald used.
Italian govt, and the US WCC surplus Oswald had.
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
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@cleoshepardchou Thank you, you don't know how much I appreciate this. The Klein's video is on my channel. It was shot by a local Chicago station on Nov 22, 1963. I think you might find it interesting. I don't think anyone has discovered yet where Lee Oswald's ammo actually came from. Again, thank you so much.
conspiracydog11 1 month ago
I am a former Marine and radar technician. I shoot expert with the 5.56 at distances of 600 meters. I own a carcano, (7.35), and it has a very strong action and acurrate fire. Anything under 300 yards with the iron sights is a piece of cake. With the low recoil, rapid follow up shots are possible. I just don't see why people have such a problem believing one rifleman could do this.
All it takes is a clip at the range to verify zero and get comfortable with the weapon.
reliantel 2 months ago
Great video mate, are you able to do a video on how you fitted your side mount scope. I'm getting one soon and wish to mount a scope on it. Thanks
holdengenthree 8 months ago
So, how much time have you spent practicing with the rifle to become so proficient and when did Oswald do such practicing?
yfna1 8 months ago
@yfna1 It's well documented by witnesses at the range, and Marina Oswald, that LHO practiced at the range and somewhat regularly after acquiring the rifle. One witness even helped him zero his 4x scope. They usually leave that out of conspiracy books, and Oliver Stone wouldn't know the truth if a naked Indian walked up and blew bong hits in his face. Oswald had been a marine, and hit targets at more than twice the range he hit JFK w/ nothing but iron sights.
frankdrebin 3 months ago
@frankdrebin Well documented where? Where are these documents? Oswald was a marine but he was a radar operator not an infantryman. Perhaps you are aware of his poor qualifications while in the Marines as well since you bring it up. Oh and he wasn't shooting at moving targets, through foliage when the first shot was supposedly fired, with a bolt action rifle, let alone one using ww2 surplus ammo, and in such poor condition.
yfna1 3 months ago
@yfna1 Warren Commission, surely you read that, right? You paid for it. He was still a Marine, and had to hit targets at 200 yards w/ iron sights. He wasn't Carlos Hathcock, but clearly he could shoot, and had firearms training above and beyond most, if not all, conspiracy fruit bats. Why is it if he's such a bad shot, or had to make such miraculous shots, that every bullet or fragment ever found in regard to the assassination came from his rifle at the exclusion of all others?
frankdrebin 3 months ago
@frankdrebin So in the Warren Commission report they detail specific events of Oswald practicing at shooting ranges? I know of one event detailed there, and you don't mention the Warren Commission managed to find no record of Oswald ever having done so, outside of the testimony of a few. No receipts, even from the gun ranges, no spent brass, no record having purchased ammunition, no spare ammunition found in his room, or the Paines residence. He went to assassinate the President with 4 rounds.
yfna1 3 months ago
@yfna1 There's even a video here of witnesses who encountered Oswald at the range. One recounts the scene used in Oliver Stone's JFK, where Oswald shoots someone else's target. But in reality it was actually Oswald, and not some black operator from the CIA. They even comment he was practicing rapid fire. Sorry, apparently can't put links in comments. So because no receipts were found, he couldn't have been there? Yup, he apparently did intend to assassinate the POTUS w/ 4 rounds, and did.
frankdrebin 3 months ago
@frankdrebin Yes he did have firearms training, but as I indicated he never did well, even after the most intensive firearms training he would ever receive he was mediocre. Why assume he managed to become more proficient in the intervening years? Hypothetically if Oswald were the patsy, would you expect to find bullets from any other rifle? Wouldn't that defeat the lone killer hypothesis. Not all of the fragments were in a condition to match ballistics, so you can't honestly say that either.
yfna1 3 months ago
Thank you for posting this,Good stuff!
1joshjosh1 8 months ago
You should update the service date from 1970 to 2011. Lots of these guns have been seen in the hands of rebels fighting gadaffi.
MCQKnight 9 months ago
Excellent work Ernest. I am going to be purchasing a Carcano very soon. I would like to post some video responses to you at some point. Most of all, I'd like to support your arguments about the JFK myths. If anything, I think it would be a fun excuse to get out and shoot...lol
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
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NOC63 1 year ago
За кратко време видях пушката с която е стрелял Осуалд срещу Кенеди .
Това ли е модела с ,който е стрелял или такъв е бил подхвърлен на
"местопрестъплението " -изминаха почти 50 години - егати ФБР-то егати ЦРУ-то . . . . Убиха си президента и след толкова години - СЕКРЕТНО .
ranik56 1 year ago
That's hilarious... I own a WW2 Carcano yet didn't even know you could fit +1 in it. Then again I've yet to shoot the damn thing because I cant find the ammo, and I still gotta get a press/casings for 6.5x52. lol
NormanMatchem 1 year ago
@NormanMatchem PriviPartisan makes ammo that is currently imported for 6.5 Carcano.
Cabela carries it among others. Most large gun shows have big ammo dealers that regularly carry this and other newly made cartridges for not only for Italian, but also Swiss, Swedish, French, Japanese, Austrian, Russian, etc., obsolete rifles.
cleoshepardchou 1 month ago
Hey I'm not a gun expert so pls forgive me for this uneducated question. but what is the spit of dust right before or might be after the strike. Can you explain it, it is fascinating me.
TheUncannykodiak 1 year ago
@TheUncannykodiak That is the bullet wacking the hill 400 yards away . remember that the speed of sound is only 650 Miles per hour whereas light travels at 167,000 miles per second , therefore you see the dust fly before you hear the hit .
zarquon53 1 year ago
Your 'door' is not MOVING like Kennedy was !
hcanuck7 1 year ago
i recently discovered a Terni Carcano M91 in my grandfathers attic. but it looks like it isn't functional. there is a metal rod in the cartridge bay that isnt attached to anything and that jiggles up and down when you move the rifle. i have begun repairing it. before you couldn't even bring the bolt back to the firing position, but with some oil and elbow grease it is functional again. but it seems like there was something attached to the front. maybe a K-Bar. anyway, can you write me back?
LaineClarkJr 1 year ago
@LaineClarkJr That rod is the cartridge riser. It pushes up the next cartridge so the bolt can strip it from the clip. Sounds like the riser spring is either stuck or broken.
idezilla 10 months ago
What state is the range you are shooting at in most of your videos?... Zona? Back here on the east coast its not an easy task to find a range longer then 200yds. Im seriously thinking of relocating out west.... Love the fact that your out in the desert shooting at 800yd targets with your 1861 Springfield like its no big deal....
rainmechanic 1 year ago
@rainmechanic So.California, Mojavie Desert. And thanks! Ernest.
mag30th 1 year ago
I have one that a Old man gave to me about 20 years ago and it was in peaces , My friend and I were talking about old guns and I took it out and it's missing the Complete Trigger Guard section . I looked it up on GOOGLE and found all the numbers match and every thing about including getting missing parts it and Im hopping to get it to work and try it out at my property in NC
chkmahow 1 year ago
@mag30th Finally, my comment was on the difficulties found in shooting a moving target which also has a different - and changing - elevation from mine. Especially when you have to do it quickly and accurately, and with a bolt action. Therefore, we definitely only had a misunderstanding.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th Again, it wasn't my intention at all to doubt your shooting skills, which in turn I appreciate along with your series of videos. And I think I can express fair opinions on the matter, having extensively used - on the range and in operation - anything with a straight shot with a caliber between 5.56 to 106mm - comprising a bunch of anti-tank missiles.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th Indeed is quite a big target compared to man sized targets, not so big when compared to human head sized targets.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th again carbine's good - for its age - accuracy proved for me.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th metal targets are too my best choice when on the range.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th BTW: the infamous inaccuracy of WWII carbines is a wrong - although wide spread - belief, instead most of them were quite good for sniping.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@mag30th I am sorry if my comment sounded rude, and if you think so I apologise for not being clear: My doubts are only based on the fact that the video can be seen as trying to prove something about the JFK assassination. Instead if we are only talking about your shooting skills I honestly think you achieved very good results with that obsolete carbine.
8nwidth 1 year ago
I am on Army Officer and I taught how to shoot to 1500+ soldiers, and I really appreciate your intentions with this video, but in order to prove something IMO you should use cardboard targets and show them before and after the shooting sequence; in fact, looking at this video I get the following impressions:
1) the quick sequences are fast but not so accurate;
2) the long range shots are mostly out of - a big - target.
Finally, pls note that in shooting, *Angle and Motion are simply everything*.
8nwidth 1 year ago
@8nwidth This is a profile of the rife, not my shooting skills.
mag30th 1 year ago
@mag30th I 100% agree with you, and is even less a proof of anything regarding LHO vs JFK - although more then one people do not agree with us.
8nwidth 1 year ago
can this gun be topped off like a mauser, or do you have to completely empty the gun?
macronaria 1 year ago
I'm coming out to Valencia in August, we'll have to arrange a trip to A Place to Shoot. I just picked up a 7.35mm Carcano (1939), one of the rifles they gave to Finland (it's an "SA" rifle). I can see why Oswald chose it, it's light, small, and the bolt action is actually pretty smooth allowing for a smooth and quick rate of fire. With a scope at less than 100 yards, this rifle could be pretty destructive in moderately-skilled hands.
Mr2ndAmendment 1 year ago
very smooth bolt
Slic3R1 1 year ago
I kick myself every time I see a Carcano video like this. I had a chance to buy one about 20 years ago for $50. It was in nice shape with a great bore and flawless crown. But no, I bought the ignorant BS that they are inherently inaccurate. Oh well... I didn't reload then. Glad I didn't listen to the people who said the same about my Steyr M95.
WurledPeas 1 year ago
comes to show that someone with an old Italian bolt action rifle can still do substantial damage to a target if needed.
froterons 1 year ago
Hey Mag30th, just checking in on you. Still enjoy all of your Carcano videos. Keep up the good work!
ShutterBun2 1 year ago
Can that en bloc clip be loaded with less than six rounds? I'm asking because Oswald's rifle had one round in the chamber when found, and of course the three spent shells nearby, for a total of four rounds. A clip was found with the rifle.
sudaev 1 year ago
Yes, you can place up to six rounds in this en-bloc clip.
mag30th 1 year ago
I saw one last night standing against the wall at a buddies house. Pulled the bolt and it has strong L&G and bright bore. Locks up tight too. Is $150.00 a good price?
vintagesportsman 2 years ago
150 is the maximum price I would pay, but yes, Id offer him that for one. Good luck!
mag30th 2 years ago
That's very good shooting for a bog standard infantry rifle. Good stuff!
paperwater 2 years ago
i own the Gardone val Trompia CARCANO 1942 speciallyti
ilmacchi205 2 years ago
Looks kinda like mosin nagant M1891
Thelonesniper101 2 years ago
I own both the Carcano carbine and the standard M1938 Carcano Rifle. They are both wicked small game rifles. I carry either one for casual hunting because they are light and handy, and the bolt action is quick and positive. Even though the carbine has fixed, non-adjustable sights, I regularly nail groundhogs right in the pie-hole from 50 to 80 meters. The longer rifle is good over open sights out to 200 meters. I use Norma Factory Standard Ammo.
Brushhogg 2 years ago
Why not try shooting a moving target, all this connecting the dots does not make sense.
In order to prove this rifle did want the WC claims, this is not a good way to prove your point.
045781 2 years ago
Because then the issue becomes my shooting abilities, and moves away from LHO's.
I have no difficulty at all striking moving targets with this or any of my firearms, and I doubt LHO had little difficulty striking a target 60 yards distance, moving only 11MPH directly away from him, from his perspective. JFK was nearly motionless at 60-90 yards.
mag30th 2 years ago
Agreed JFK was almost motionless, and the downward angle does not match.
Also agreed it is not about your shooting abilities vs LHO it is about comparing apples to apples.
The scope on the Mc was off, how could anyone hit thier target ?
045781 2 years ago
I own the Terni Carcano and I love it! Great video.
regondi 2 years ago
Very nice rifle! I'm in search for one now!
07yensid 2 years ago
I had one as a kid , it was purchased for ten dollars .The old ammo would sometimes hang fire. Mine was full rifle length and was chosen from a barrel full of them with a few Remington rolling blocks in caliber 43 Spanish. I was told that these guns were used as ballast in ships.
sr633 2 years ago
A bloody great rifle, i have put over 500 rounds through it and cant miss, you can buy 500 rounds in Australia for about $100 us 6.5
bayyonet 2 years ago
what a great rifle. still looking for one myself.
junglelover287b 2 years ago
Inaccuracy issues w/ the Carcano is usually due to the fact that 6.5mm isn't a true 6.5mm. With proper ammo, the Carcano is very accurate.
Geochron 2 years ago
LOL nicely done. Kinda proves yiou can fire this rifle quickly and accurately. That someone who owns one can be very familar with it and shoot it accurately and quickly. Kinda like LHO in 1963...
Graystriders 2 years ago
Anyone of you doubters want to stand in as a JFK Do-Gooder live fire target to prove the MC Rifle was no good please step forward .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
thats a nasty looking round
coupenasty 2 years ago
In your brief history, it might be of interest to note that many of the 7.35mm M38 carcanos were sold to Finland in 1940, ond also saw limited use in the Continuation War between Russia and Finland in 1941-1944, even though it appears the Finns weren't too fond of the "Terni's".
sniperfreak223 2 years ago
They were good enough rifles to be bought by the thousands by the CIA in order to arm the Bay of Pigs invaders .
Then (The Commy Sympathiser : 'Wanted for Treason') JFK ripped off their air cover after one air strike and the invasion collapsed !
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Hey I would like to know where you found the evidence that the CIA purchased these guns and used them in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Thanks for your help.
isortparcels 2 years ago
I don't recall , I believe it was a reference from wikipedia found in a footnote if I recall properly .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
I always thought that too. But I can't remember where I read it or got that information from. Thanks
isortparcels 2 years ago
I bet the fact it didn't use 7.62x54R hurt it in that aspect.
WWIIOLgeorgh 2 years ago
@sniperfreak223 This *might* be because, unlike the majority of other rifles, you should aim aligning the top of the front sight with the lowest of the "V" of the rear sight (makng the front blade barely visible). If the rifles were given out with little training, confident that most people in Finnland were already fit for fighting, they would then aim "a la mauser" aligning the front sight with the top line of the rear sight filling th "V" and shooting too high.
luigiduca 1 year ago
My grandpa just gave me his 41' carcano but he never fired it, i was wonderin if those clips that the bullets fit into are hard to find? or do you even need them?
trasuranic 2 years ago
well you must have them to load the weapon... all italian model 1891 rifles use the mannlicher feeding sistem, wich uses a enbloc clip like the garand
Gjldo 2 years ago
Thanks, I just found an en bloc clip at a gun show as well as the 6.5 ammo
trasuranic 2 years ago
be careful about the ammo, carcano uses a .268 6,5mm instead of the classic .264
but here (in italy) on few carcano in the 80'-90's a importer modified the rifle with .264 swedish mauser barrels; so check the real caliber of yours
Gjldo 2 years ago
@trasuranic Clip feeding was invented as a means to fast reload the infanry's weapons in the days when machine guns were rare things and used as artillery pieces in the worlds armies , about 1890 to 1900 .
Quicker and more reliable for stressed conscripts in the heat of battle than pausing to thumb individual rounds into the mag .
Prior to that the weapon would be used to fire all the mag off first and then after that as a single shot , then reload another single round + fire .
zarquon53 1 year ago
I wish youtube was around in the 80's. I spent a lot of my youth happily reloading beautiful 140 gr Sierra boattails .264's into one of these carbines and only getting moderate hunting accuracy. But man could those nickel military stuff penetrate gum trees. I've seen them go through trees3-4 feet thick and i'm sure they didn't slow down.
deanp09 2 years ago
I saw Carcano rifles being sold for $10.00 many years ago, they were stacked in a large barrel with Enfield MK 3 rifles in a hardware store. I was told that they were used for ballast in ships ! The old ammo hang fires.
sr633 2 years ago
Im curious of how the spent cartridges fly out of the rifle. Do they jump out far and sporadic?
6Ott7 2 years ago
Thanks for the great video but i have one question. With the JFK shootings you have proved that he could have gotten off all the shots, but the problem is that his target was moving. Would it still be as easy as you say to get off the required shots on a moving target?
wwefreakjon 2 years ago
The target (JFK) was moving slowly, almost in a direct line away from Oswald, on a slight declination.
sudaev 2 years ago
and only 83 yards away...
DonMeaker 2 years ago
Thank you for this informative video.
Ragland1952 2 years ago
7 rounds? Didn't the Carcano hold only 6?
RudolfMaister 2 years ago
Yes, but (on the carbine) you can depress the en-bloc clip down and feed an additional round into the chamber.
mag30th 2 years ago
Hm, that's interesting. I didn't think that can be done. Thanks!
RudolfMaister 2 years ago
Thanks!! But it only can be depressed on the carbine version, the long rifle Carcanos wont depress far enough.
mag30th 2 years ago
I have two more questions:
1) Does 91/38 mean that this is a 1891 model that was modified in 1938?
2) Are Carcanos really bad rifles (in terms of accuracy) or at least worse than other bolt-action rifles?
Thank you for your answer?
RudolfMaister 2 years ago
Fucile 91/38 means that is a rifle developed in 1938 from the original 1891
it's like M16>M4
p.s.
loading manually a carcano is dageours, if you chamber the round whitout engaging first the extractor the bolt could blow up (cause if you put the round in the chamber and then closing the bolt the extractor could smash the rim and rip the bottom of the cartridge
Gjldo 2 years ago
The comment about manually loading the Carcano is true with the long-rifle, but it is not true with the Carbine.
The extractor is different on the carbine version; the extractor opens very easily when closed over a casing, unlike the other Carcanos.
In fact, the LR Carcanos it is nearly impossible to hot-load an additional round, while the carbine clips very easily and does not cause any extractor damage whatsoever to the casing face.
mag30th 2 years ago
it could still happnes, i think that the last time in italian army was in 1955 in the AA school of sabaudia with a 91/38ts not sure if the guy was killed or "just" blinded
Gjldo 2 years ago
another great vid.
tomcornwall83 2 years ago
At 2:00, I'm assuming that the "tings" are all your hits.
nice shooting.
loochpe 2 years ago
Yes, thanks!
I have a second video posted under my handle shooting the same rifle at 650 yards.
Thanks again!
mag30th 2 years ago
good new info. I was unaware that the ranges were that close between Kennedy and Oswald.
Thank you for the insite mag30th.
odinn62 2 years ago
No problem! All good!
mag30th 2 years ago
the difference between you lho is that you are an expert rifleman while lho could barley qualify with his weapon in usmc. you can make the shots but could he.i watch all your videos sgtking and iraqvet88 because i enjoy watching skilled shooters. i was a sniper in 6th id
odinn62 2 years ago
Not true about him barely qualifying. USMC Major Eugene D Anderson testified that Marine Corps records show that on 12/21/56 Oswald fired a 212 on the range, with his M1 rifle, qualifying him as a sharpshooter. Four years later, prior to leaving the USMC, he fired a score of 191, qualifying him as a marksman. Kennedy was only 60-88 yards from Oswald.
Most of his target practice(per his wife) with his Carcano took place at the Trinity River, where he used the levee as a backstop.
mag30th 2 years ago
where can you buy that kind of rifle from?
Cutlerfan1988 2 years ago
This was a very good shooting , probably the best I've seen. I have the same Mannlicher- Carcano strp feeder. Is it possible to mount a scope on a Bulgarian calvary M95? My greatgrandfather was a calvarymen in WWII in Macedonia. He probably used the Bulgarian calvary M95, but he wasn't a sniper, but corpolar in the Bulgarian artillery.
professionalvr 2 years ago
how do you explain the back and to the left action of jfk's head shown clearly in zapruder film if he was hit from behind?
vwazp 2 years ago
Its called the jet effect, and can be easily recreated.
On the other hand, those who believe that he was shot from the front, have NEVER been able to shoot a head or a head replica, from the front, and cause the head to motion the same direction as the bullets direction.
mag30th 2 years ago
2 guys in a grassy knoll shot him from behind his head.
majorporpoise 2 years ago
There was a small entrance wound in the back of the head and a large exit wound in the top front right portion of skull which clearly indicates a bullet fired from behind.
The grassy knoll was to the front right of the limosine so it would have been an impossibility to shoot the President in the back of the head from that location.
swansandtyphus 2 years ago
The joker from watchmen shot him from behind the head.
majorporpoise 2 years ago
The Comedian.
swansandtyphus 2 years ago
My bad, comedian.
majorporpoise 2 years ago
Great movie.
swansandtyphus 2 years ago
Sure was.
majorporpoise 2 years ago
I would be the comedian, but being Dr. Manhatten would kick ass.
majorporpoise 2 years ago
I would explain by your watching too many TV movies.
ireload2 2 years ago
hey mags i miss these videos i wish you posted the one of you qith that carcano hitting the target 7 times in less that 7 seconds
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
i think the the criticism that the carcano has is incredibly inaccurate. they are fine rifles and accurate as well.
the shots that lee made were very posible.
just takes practice. as you have proven in this video.
very good video. keep making more. i enjoy them very much.
mred6554 2 years ago
the real problem with carcano inaccuracy is the bullet diameter
the italian 6.5 mm is a 0.268 shot while a lot of 6.5 mm are 0.264 or even smaller, this cause the bullet to bounce for the whole lenght of the barrel greatly reducing accuracy
also sights are very different from other rifles (firs of all the open notch is not a tanget one, like mauser i.e.) and in the old version are setted for 300 (combat sight) 450 (second set) and the from 600 meters to 2km
Gjldo 2 years ago
looks very fun. its like a carbine, too short
kjsh987 2 years ago
some rifles of bolt action looks very elegant but the mannlicher garcano looks have the mind in the fight
kjsh987 2 years ago
Excellent! informative and nicely done.
dmat257 3 years ago
I have two Carcanos (among a dozen or so military rifles.) I can say that I enjoy shooting the Carcanos because they are very accurate. my 6.5 has a 27 inch barrel and the 7.35 about 20 inches. I've replaced the sights on the 7.35 with williams fire sights and the thing is now the easiest gun I have to shoot.
TRKWP 3 years ago
I have to agree with you, I love both of mine also, they are very good rifles.
I also believe that they have been subjected to inaccurate criticism since the JFK assassination.
mag30th 3 years ago
he meant 111 inches not 1.11 or 11.1
squirrelsniper58 3 years ago
i have the cabine version of that gun
squirrelsniper58 3 years ago
did he say it dropped 111 inches or did he mean 1.11
jezus92191 3 years ago
111 inches, just over nine feet.
mag30th 3 years ago
the scoped ones are pretty darn neat.
ramberghini 3 years ago
il "91" e il miglior fucile della seconda guerra mondiale
micidiale e preciso ..un mio amico pace all'anima sua, mi disse che ricorda che nel 42 molti alleati prendevano il 91 dalle armi catturate e lo usavano loro ,perche era preciso, semplice e robustissimo
tanto da avere il doppio della portata di un altro fucile analogo
all'asse sono mancati i numeri ..non le armi
eraffa76 3 years ago
Si!
Flint870 3 years ago
The 160grainer has a SD equivalent to a 220g .30 cal bullet and penetrates better than the lower energy at range than most would expect. The 160g 6.5 is also one of the most stable, thus accurate to be found.
InTheSticks1881 3 years ago
I've always been a fan of the 6.5 bullet, particularly 6.5x55. I've been thinking of buying a Carcano in 6.5x52 as I enjoy a challenging refinshing project.
I wonder if Prvi-Partizan uses the .268".
snowdogthewolf 3 years ago
I haven't seen any Prvi 0.268" bullets. They are all 0.264". Grafs has Hornady bullets that I use: 160 gr and 0.268" diameter. Try this part number at Grafs: HRN2645B.
Flint870 3 years ago
Thanks for the info, Flint. I don't know if I'd reload for the Carcano, but it's good to know where to find stuff if I change my mind.
snowdogthewolf 3 years ago
Welcome. Reloading cuts the shooting cost way down. I can load 50 rounds for the same cost of buying 20.
Flint870 3 years ago
That should be buffaloarms*com below, sorry for the typo
Flint870 3 years ago
6.5x52mm Carcano reloading dies, bullets, ammo, and brass can be found at midwayusa*com or grafs*com
7.35x51mm Carcano reloading dies, bullets, ammo, and shells can be found at buffalarms*com
Carcano disassembly (and more importantly reassembly!) instructions can be found at surplusrifle*com
Flint870 3 years ago
Clips are at e-gunparts*com or gunbroker*com
Flint870 3 years ago
no matter how you ask people not to put on JFK comments on this,they can't help themselves.
I have a Carcano Carbine, unfired with FNA-B on the barrel. What does that mean, and does it have the gain twist of the other Carcano's.
Thank you for your help.
P.S. they never found the Mannlicher clip,or accounted for the last round.(The gun holds 6 in a stripper clip, not 5.
And the Winchester ammo he used has a 264 diameter bullet. It comes out of the barrel sideways)
tedunc2 3 years ago
Fabricated National Arsenal Brescia.
It is a Carcano made at one of several Italian national armories. Others include Terni (FAT), Gardone Val Trompia (VT), Ordnance Roma (OR), etc.
The bullet used to kill JFK was a 0.268" diameter combat load made by the US for eventual use in the invasion of Cuba, not a 0.264 plinking load. The 6.5x52mm 0.268" round is very accurate and hard-hitting at medium range, under 200m say.
Flint870 3 years ago 2
If you have a Italian Carcano M1938 Fucile Corto (short rifle or carbine), it has standard fixed twist rifling. They did cut down some of the Italian Mannlicher Carcano Model 1891 long rifles (Fucile di Fanteria) into carbines. If you have one of these, it has gain twist rifling. A strong light and a close examination of the rifling may help you determine what you have.
Flint870 3 years ago
I'd love to see you repeat your demonstration with the 6.5 rounds. Not that I think you couldn't do it. But you can't get them anymore, can you?
filthyphillyboy 3 years ago
These are 6.5 rounds.
mag30th 3 years ago
I see what you're saying now. So Oswald used identical rounds that you did, correct?
Great performance & keep up the good work.
filthyphillyboy 3 years ago
Yes, and thanks!! :-)
mag30th 3 years ago
i have seen jfk with costner. and there is a moment on the trial when they shows a 8mm film .shows that the second bullet destroyed kennedy´s face, that was tottally impresive
kjsh987 3 years ago
The bullet did not destroy Kennedy's face.
It struck the back of his head and exited to the front top right of the skull.
In the movie directed by Oliver Stone it is claimed that the bullet exit was in the back of the head.
Which you already must realise is totally bogus.
swansandtyphus 3 years ago
hey i have a 1940 mannlicher-corcano. and i was wondering where i could buy the clips for the rounds
petrekydp 3 years ago
Contact Military Historical Arms and Antiques. They have everything, litteraly. 6912 San Fernando Rd. Glendale, CA 91201 (818) 846-4509
mag30th 3 years ago
It looks like Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. It looks possbile.
Second gunman my aching ass.
greatgreatguy 3 years ago 3
Yes i was wondering about the back butplate on the carcano. If you take of the but plate on your rifle is there a little house on the back of it Because there is on mine. I was just wondering about that.
sppaggetti 3 years ago
Yes, mine has one also!
mag30th 3 years ago
another nice video! Those rounds look really long, any idea on how that effects how it travels though the air?
spikes2020 3 years ago
y nead 5.6x52 bulet vhere y kan bay im from (slovenija)
domobranc1 3 years ago
I've read that LHO's rifle was made in a Romanian factory, and as a result, more accurate than many Italian Carcano's. Any input?
ravenslaves 3 years ago
Not true, it was a standard Carcano, nearly identical to mine. Plus JFK was so close he could have been easily hit with any rifle of that time, even with open sights.
mag30th 3 years ago
thank you for clearing that up. Heh, I'm better with iron sights. When the holosight's acting up (EOtech) I flip over to iron, use Kentucky windage and nail the target. So much for hi tech. I also love the term "Obsolete". If a gun could stop a buffalo dead in it's tracks 200 years ago, it can do it today. Great video's.
ravenslaves 3 years ago
Great video! I have a 1941 Terni MADE ITALY 6.5 with an Ordnance Optics scope. Only thing mine lacks to be and Oswald clone is an Airweight .38 Colt shoulder sling. I have vintage Italian military (NO WAY will I ever shoot this awful, hang firing junk, display only ammo!!!) as well as Western Cartridge rounds (VERY powerful, good ammo). Accurate, quick bolt action, sweet rifle. I will post some clips of this weapon in action in the near future. Again, great video, thanks for posting!
tripleunderpass 3 years ago
once again, great shooting!
ctford27 3 years ago
if the rifle was designed to shoot .268 bullets why it was used with .264 ??
4251268 3 years ago
Most all rifles the shoot 6.5mm bullets, were designed for .264 diameter bullets, but for some resason the Italians designed the barrels for a .268. Finding .268 diameter bullets are also hard to find, causing most people who reload their carcanos to use the .264.
mag30th 3 years ago
I have a 7.35 mm M1938 Carcano with Finnish proof marks. With open sights it will consistantly hit a 2 ft square plate at 400 yards. I am sure if scoped it will do at least as good as the 6.5mm in this video. I have fired hundreds of rounds of full power military loads through the rifle with no problems whatever. If in good condition they are safe weapons. The only Carcano I would hesitate to shoot would be the 7.92 Mauser conversions which exceeds the safe design parameters of the rifle.
1949kf 3 years ago
Even though heat treating wasn't the cause of this particular rifle's failure, I'd still be a little squeamish about firing one based on my experience in metalworking. I've seen crystalline grain structure in severe examples of metal failure, although usually it was in welded joints under tremendous load. Sometimes you see it in tool steel that wasn't tempered at all, but this will usually be obvious in a hardness test.