A CG Animator's Perspective Of The 1967 Patterson Footage

[komodoman]

They're here because trolls have less oxygen, they live on the Internet without no outside life...

[droppin233]

i see a ass crack look close

[Geekman333]

Why the voice distortion when the guy gives his name at the end??

[komodoman]

The professional skeptics will say he did it for money, hah, like everything's about that. Why hasn't Hollywood copied Patty then, because anatomically correct is what she is...well, I'll tell you why, apart from not being able to technically before she's not even their popular idea of what a BF is to start with. They most importantly want something an actor can perform in, for that they'd need the actor to - as a minimum - reach inside the head...only with Patty's proportions it'd be no deal.

[drakeion]

ok theyre one thing that make me angry you see a film like the paterson one that show excelent proof or excelent fraud either way , & their is coment in history book everywere of those bigfoot or so call giant, & another thing the bible is so call made by god but i never ive seen proof of it so far & yet everybody on earth would say its real, i more incline too say bigfoot is real thant saying god is real

[TheHellbinder]

just like all the experts that said the alien autopsy film was real becuase of how impossible it was to fake. Will you people ever learn? Every day you all sit here and make these foolish statements about how real this is you make yourselves morons all the more. The people that made this and hoaxed it laugh. the ones still around anyway. THIS IS A HOAX.

[PostToastie]

@TheHellbinder f

Thank you very much for your opinion and thanks for watching!

[fastpony71]

its people like you that will never be able to go beyond where your own thinking takes you. Its sad that you have no faith to believe anything that you can't see with your own eyes. What did Patterson & Gimlin ever get from this if it was a hoax? Seems that they went to an awful lot of trouble for nothing. Patterson went to his death never denouncing what he had seen and Bob Gimlin still bears witness of the truth to this day, both staking their reputations on it despite all the scorn & ridicule

[grejambri]

@TheHellbinder No, sorry, it is NOT a hoax. It stands up under rigid scientific analysis, and there was no way something like this could have been faked back in '67. YOU are the moron.

[DiegoTheJackal]

@TheHellbinder are you brain dead? if you dont believe it why the hell are you over here watching it?

[komodoman]

Well said. Most people just can't wrap their heads around the idea, not even realizing how wrong it is to suggest - in a vast country - we ought to have found those darn Bigfoots by now... It's not long ago folks didn't even own cameras or at the ready, encounters happen so quickly most of the time anyway so the chance of good photos in the past is not great at all. But people have these modern glasses on so that's how skeptics - unrealistically - see the world, forgetting what came before...

[rmcdaniel423]

It's weird how a single eyewitness account is enough evidence in our country to condemn a man for murder. Yet thousands of eyewitness accounts, from all across an entire continent, spanning hundreds of years of recorded history, are considered "not enough evidence".

I think curious agnosticism is the most sensible stance for people with no personal experience of their own.

[komodoman]

See m1, six days and seymour avoids answering the damning suit dilemma like the plague...

[komodoman]

You're just spamming by now seymour, and still hopelessly naive on this. PGF's just one bit of the subject, it's important for sure but this goes back centuries...which you seem to always forget...

[seymourbbest]

Stating what is visible in the Patterson film is an OPINION. The FACT is not one shred of scientific evidence exists for Bigfoot. A bit of hoaxer's film is just that. That anyone would base a belief in a creature based on a bit of film just shows that the same gullibility that PT Barnum exploited is still alive and well.

[m1aws]

@seymourbbest Please, make yourself a better bigfoot. Convince me.I need to see you in an 8' tall suit that is 4 feet wide, doing +5' strides. With the suit showing full musculature while you walk.

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There is proofs out there. One Muslim tribe in the Russian 'stans. They captured a female. Tamed and used it for sex & labour. Her kids would make a freight train take a dirt road. The last was buried in '63. I've seen the photo of his skull. Freaky! All Brow, big brain mainly in the occipital lobe

[Tarantula33222]

This clip convinced me, only you should find a better narrating program and you've got yourself a clip that can turn any non believer into a believer. after hearing what that guy said it sounds like it is more possible that it is real than it being a hoax

[komodoman]

Yep, seymour's absolutely clueless here on this...now that the deniers have nothing else to add, nothing more to say in the face of crushing defeat they resort to lies of addings made to the footage, which any idiot can see - or study if he pleases - that there hasn't been.

[strikemike]

@seymourbrest Have you viewed the original film? No you haven't because Patterson's wife won't release it to the public. Do you study movement for a living? Nope sure don't. I liked this video because it wasn't saying whether or not it was true, but merely just stating what is visible. Also, it had a lot of educated comments from viewers. It's typical of most people though to make a judgment on a subject that they know nothing about.

[strikemike]

During the posterior camera shot, there is evident flexion and extension in the gastrocnemius as the creature walks. It is clear that the entire calf region is not only massive, but proportional to the rest of the leg. Concurrently, the calcaneal tendon can be seen extending as the creature dorsiflexes it's foot. This type of detail is difficult to see on athletes wearing spandex, let alone someone in a suit.

[mebkick01]

Why do apes and humas have hairless asses but our little Patty has to deficate through fur?

[061369317]

You have an hairless ass ?

Poor thing....

[komodoman]

VERY good points. She's too wide, so if an extended/padded suit, the guy inside would not be big enough to have his shoulders reach these arms. Real unknown creature through and through.

[faron27]

Let's leave it alone, we as a people will eventually run in to it because of our booming populous.

[joeyvader]

We have been running into them...for at least 200 years..

[FleshEatingZombie666]

why was he talkin like stephen hawkings?

the video looks real to me - then again i believe in midgets ands dwarfs lol

[komodoman]

Those in favor of a suit, are welcome to produce a new one with 1960s materials... The fact that it's not been done seriously speaks volumes, even the f/x industry sort of acknowledge it - true to form though, they cover it up - by simply saying it's a bad suit. Leaving them preciously free from attempting a try, a try that would fail.

[CallumJStewart]

That's EXACTLY what I keep saying! Those who say it's a suit made by Phillip Morris or Wah Chang or John Chambers always dry up when you ask: a. how did Patterson get the suit? b. where is the suit now? c. why did the maker of the suit never re-create the suit? d. why did the suits made by these men look like crap compared to Patty (compare Chambers' full body suits in Beneath the Planet of the Apes to Patty and you'll see what I mean)? Hell, even Rick Baker couldn't do better in King Kong 76.

[timjones066]

i agree, people say its a bad suit but yet no one can recreate it even with today's technology.

[plopnod]

I disagree with rikk06.I'm not saying that I believe this film to be true however , of all the research available it seems the more reliable sourses such as scientists,anthropologists,eve­n Dr.Jane Goodall believe in the existance of bigfoot ,and the same for the patterson film,professionals in that field overwhelmingly suggest it's real

[rikk06]

people, it's a man in a suit, come on already. it's called acting, he's merely acting like he's heavy, and the walking is way too perfect as it never breaks stride, suggesting an actor underneath. or how about how it's casual reaction to seeing men...nice and steady now, a nice even gate will really illustrate how such a creature would walk. we wouldn't want you too trip or sprain an ankle making the footage, etc etc.sheesh that's not the way a wild thing would react. the feet are another issue.

[joeyvader]

"the walking is way too perfect as it never breaks stride" True Sasquatches have an imperfect walk, and break stride?? Casual reaction to the men? It walks very briskly away...to avoid the 'flee chase response".. "that's not the way a wild thing would react" What should it have done? Ran away at breakneck speed?? Ever encountered a bear that ran away...?? Bears will also walk slowly away from humans....What is the feet issue?

[Poe397]

Oh I agree with you 100% no animal in its natural invironment can walk without tripping on everything in its path.

[meavid]

Nice to hear the Radiohead OK Computer voice getting more work.

[Coalkey23]

@meavid

Ha!

Nice, dude

[joeyvader]

I have observed that people will make their minds up about something without reading a single printed word on the topic...no need to let any facts cloud one's judgement....

[gottselig2004]

@joeyvader Its amazing you morons only believe in experts that support your cause. Experts are a dime a dozen....but Morons only believe the ones who are stupid

[joeyvader]

@gottselig2004 "but Morons only believe the ones who are stupid"...I just don't know what to say...this was truly a brillant post...what a brain at work...you sure schooled me...please share more of your amazing insights...

[MrChris1316]

@joeyvader a total generalization and not really valid.what seems to happen is that the human brain makes a first choice then will go back and re evaluate if what it hears or feels or sees is of enough interest to look back over.this is based on our less civilized past as its a survival method when looking for food,danger,shelter or a mate.this is now becoming beyond debate as a film, as too many experts and modern film makers are confirming its validity.

[phatdaddi314]

This video is right on. I would like to add that the rotation and counter rotation of the foot is greater than humans. There is evidence to indicate a longer trocanter and a different placement of the foot on the ankle. I am a biomechanic that specializes in human locomotion. I am hoping to get enough input to make a prosthesis to imitate the gait. Multiple step tracks is what I need next. I would like to hear from other professions regarding this vid.

[allenst]

why does name jese cantu keep coming up in my thoughts ? anything to do with story ?

[Haplesshiccuper]

Also add the fact that she seems to be walking across river rock,anybody that has tried to walk on an old dry creek bed knows how hard it is to walk period,let alone with a suit on,fake big feet and at one point looking away towards the guy with the camera.I'd love to see ANY sceptic try it.Whenever they do put on a suit to show us it can be faked.They always pick nice flat ground to walk on.

[darliegoddess]

I'm an animator as well. The shoulder width to torso proportion is massive and none of it moves like foam or padding. The shoulder turn is the most amazing thing because costume tech at that time could never have even come close to faking the integrated shoulder to spine angle. It is totally correct. The closest man in a suit is Rick Bakers 1987 Harry and the Hendersons and that falls short of this . The most brilliant and expensive hoax in history or totally genuine. I say the latter.

[dokokai]

Yes, agreed. I'm a physical therapist & have extensive anatomical knowledge. The fulcrum point of the shoulder & arm swing is another interesting point to add. The shoulders are very, very broad & look where the pivot point of the arm swing occurs...right above the arm. If this was a padded suit to build out shoulder with, the wearers arm would swing closer to the center of the body creating a ripple in the shoulder. Even Andre the Giants' shoulders weren't that wide & he was 7'-4" tall.

[darliegoddess]

Yes fascinating you use Andre because he was in my mind as well. I should mention I also build movie costumes and you hit on a common giveaway for faked shoulders. If this is a suit , the occupant is gigantic.

[dokokai]

Sorry I left out the "d" in width so it reads as *with* by mistake.

[DVincentW]

Thanks Post!

[jmjmartin]

Thanks...Excellent and valuable analysys.

The best CG/effects in movies come from careful observations. Just compare ILM's work to poorer FX houses. Your observations have a place in my collection! Thanks again.

[theceng]

if u thinks its a fake email me at theceng@hotmail. com and i'll give u a link about hollywood trying to debunk the film cant give it 2 u hear as youtube doesnt allow it

[nrolett]

You have missed the point. This creature is massive. The only way a costume can give this effect is with padding. But padding would not show muscle articulation.

[zillis]

I'm not convinced it is authentic, but anyone who claims that this is simply a man in a suit is just choosing to be ignorant.

What we are looking at appears to be a very large, furry man. It's not a guy in a suit.

The figure turns it's entire upper torso without missing a step. Unless there was a path cleared for "the figure" to practice over and over, it is inconcievable that a man wearing such a get-up could act so comfortable in the woods.

[TheBean]

I agree. They have found and trained people to walk the same way as the subject. But non of the people could continue that walk with a turned torso.

[nrolett]

Yes it's an abnormally large man (woman, actually) with fur all over her body that moves in a way no homo sapien has been able to fully replicate. We call that man/woman a sasquatch.

[ConjunctionMars]

Don't you mean "a very large, furry man" with boobs?

[zillis]

Yes, boobs can be interpereted - but the boobs bring up a contraversy involving published drawings by Patterson of of female sasquatch - before he shot this footage.

This makes for a remarkable coincidence considering apes do not have big boobs and his drawings and this footage do.

I don't claim the Patterson is definately of a sasquatch - but I do find it ignorant to say it's just a man in a suit. I still say that's one hell of a suit.

[ConjunctionMars]

Hmm but hadn't he claimed to have seen this creature (or similar ones) numerous times already before he shot this? Sorry I don't know too much about the whole sasquatch/bigfoot controversy myself, other than the fact that that does not look like it could possibly be human in a suit to me... especially not in the 1960s...

[zillis]

There is not a lot of good info about this film and no formal investigation was done at the time. I searched the web for info a couple years ago and read somewhere that Patterson wrote a book with sketches by him before he ever witnessed sasquatch - supposedly quite similar to the figure in the film.

But actually that is silly when I think about it. He supposedly sketched a sasquatch and then found a way to create an accurate costume of that complexity?

[selatik]

I'd like to interpret Salma Hayek's boobs

[selatik]

Controversy about gender? So, because Patterson drew pictures of Female bigfoot that is evidence of a hoax? It's not fair to ascribe traits to a species that we know little about. Apes don't walk upright all of the time, either. If this was a suit, how did two cowboys, in 1967, create realistic muscle flexion, especially in the feet and hands? Arms are proportionally too long for a human

[zillis]

Well, I have not seen the drawings, but the allegation is that the drawings are very similiar to the figure in the film - including large breasts - which is an interesting allegation. But some skeptics will resort to lies when trying to discredit these kinds of things.

Who knows?

[selatik]

Zillis, Patterson wrote of several accounts of sightings of apparently female bigfoot creatures in his book prior to making his film. Also we must consider that eyewitness descriptions of bigfoot have been remarkably similar for decades, so it is possible to sketch a realistic looking bigfoot based on these descriptions.

[dokokai]

The thing about the breasts as we adults call them, is that this creature is along the evolutionary chain closer to man than ape. Therefore, large breasts are more likely in a man like creature than an ape like one.

[Ge0d00d]

that was really good, but too hard to read and/or understand what was being said.

[PostToastie]

LOL yea, sorry about that, I have since found a better voice to narrate with, if the voice is throwing you off, I recommend turning down the volume and just simply reading the text as it becomes most visible. You'll probably want to read it through a few times anyway, just so it sinks in a bit, I know I had to. This is a very interesting interpretation of the Patterson/Gimlin Footage.

[Labyrinth13]

Important information in this video from the animator's viewpoint (but the spoken dialog is very hard to understand and it is hard to read the text at times).