@UBIQUEROL You mean the 'typical Americans' that came in and liberated your country and every other western European country that could not stand up to the nazis until the USA arrived? OK, yes, those typical Americans.
i had a chance to fire a BAR at an indoor shooting range a couple of years ago. never shot a full auto before. suddenly, i felt like Clyde Barrow and wanted to rob every bank in sight
@LimeyPipeSmoker91 No it did not. There is a safety pin in the fuze, it is enough if you remove that and throw it. If you bang it against the wall like in the video (and like Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty etc.) the propulsion charge will ignite and you will blow your hand off...
@thehumangunstore For 1918... I wouldn't beg to differ. For 1944, I would agree with you. For 2011, it's obsolete. Do you get what i'm going at? Now shut up and watch the video. :)
@downloadgoblin the germans had the bergman mp 18 (first submachine gun) and the mgo8 (mobile light machine-gun ) all by 1918. and you didn't need to tell me to shut up. sad face :(
@thehumangunstore: While the BAR couldn't compare German GPMGs in terms of effectiveness and versatility, it was superior to what the Japanese were equipped with. Kijiro Nambu (Japan's chief designer) designed weapons that were accurate but incorporated lots of superfluous features and were overly complex and therefore unreliable. The Japanese machine guns failed to stand up against the BAR. Furthermore, none of the weapons discussed had a place within the context of Japanese military doctrine.
@thehumangunstore: The StG44 is an fires an intermediate caliber round, while the FG42 is a "battle rifle" firing full-size 8mm. The most appropriate comparison would be the BAR and the FG42. The FG42 was superior to the BAR. Its drawbacks on the battle field were really no worse than the one's suffered by post-war battle rifles (the FAL or the M-14). Difficult to control in full auto because of the light weight and full powered cartridge, but devastating. The FG was also better ergonomically.
@thehumangunstore mobile firepower may be the factor in that comment. sure the germans had the FG42, but as far as I know those were not widely distributed. one of the issues with the german arsenal was that they already had so many different designs on the battlefield. I am no expert but if I had to argue for this statement this is how I would do it.
Nobody likes to remember it, but very early BARs had some teething troubles, delaying their deployment in WWI. Obviously, these are long gone and the BAR's operating system survives in the FN MAG and its licensed US clone, the M240 series.
And who in their right mind would compare a BAR to an MG42? About the only thing these two guns have in common is that they're automatics firing rifle cartridges. Totally different tactical employment, totally different concepts.
@MrHongKongBuffet: The FN MAG-58 incorporates features of both the BAR and the MG42. It uses the gas mechanism of the BAR and the feed mechanism of an MG42.
He's referring to it being mobile, an MG42 was not however; he is still wrong lol. The Germans had a weapon far superior to the BAR called the FG42 (it was made in small numbers for fallschrimjaegers). Even though it was very successful they chose not to make many as they saw it as a waste of money because their philosophy was to allow the heavy machine gun to do the battering while the infantry take the objective. The allies were the opposite.
@MrOhaiMark It all depends on what you consider to be the key points in "firepower". The FG42 had a higher rate of fire; but the BAR had a higher muzzle velocity of 860 m/s versus 740 m/s and also an effective range of 1370 meters versus the FG42's approximately 500. It could also depend on what they're considering normal or average for the various sides and if they're considering unit firepower versus individual weapon firepower.
You're forgetting that the FG42 was MUCH lighter, MUCH more accurate, had MUCH kess recoil, and most importantly had a MUCH larger clip size. The FG42 was literally a mobile MG42. It was loads better than the BAR, you can't even compare the two. The BAR was an outdated, outclassed piece of crap used to give some pathetic grunts some courage (like most USA equipment). There is a reason the kill ratio on the western front was about 5:1 (as said by Patton) in favor of the Germans.
@MrOhaiMark Seeing as your post came shortly after mine and we're the ones paralleling the BAR/FG42, I'm going to guess you were replying to me. Weight, accuarcy, and recoil don't always translate into someone's equation of "firepower" because not everyone puts the same value on the same characteristics. Now I see I accidentally replied to you instead of Hyperdog and my mind was on firepower (from the clip), not rate of fire (from his post), so my initial post makes even less sense.
@MrOhaiMark The FG42 is not superior to the BAR, sorry, COD doesn't make you a gun expert ;) And the MG42 is quite light weighted, it's not as easy to pick up as the BAR, yes, but not that much heavier or unhandy.
I don't play COD. Go away and stop telling me I am wrong without evidince. The FG42 was faster, lighter, more manuevarble, and more reliable. The bar was an outdated project from world war 1. It jammed a lot, it had a slower rate of fire, and was less accurate, oh and it handled like a fucking truck.
@MrOhaiMark You know an increased rate of fire and less weight means that it was way less controllable? The M14 should fail later because of the same issue. An automatic weapon needs to be able to be controlled, and you couldnt do that with the FG42, furthermore the weapon was delicate and jammed quite often with its sideways attached magazine and wasnt as accurate as the BAR judging by its physical properties(catridge used and barrel length).
@trinta999 Definitely. But it's a younger design, so that's to be expected. Browning was told to get automatic rifle fire in the infantryman's hands, and he did that. But he either didn't know or didn't appreciate what you brought up. Not many people were thinking about loading mags while proned out or what to do with a hot barrel, most HMGs still using water-cooling systems.
The Japanese snipers were actually trained to shoot the guys with BAR's first along with medics. I also saw somewhere where they said that the gun and shoot through several feet of solid concrete.
The M1917 was actually used more than the m1903 by American troops during WWI. Fired the same .30-06 cartridge but housed six rounds instead of five, has a smoother cock-on-close bolt, improved peep sights with a longer sight radius for better precision, and could be manufactured more quickly and cheaply. It's a copy of the English P14 which has elements of Lee Enfield as well as Mauser, where as the M1903 was pretty much a blatant German mauser copy.
the US had the option between the lewis gun and chauchet and they chose the worst gun in history lol retards I am American not saying the US is retarded but the people who chose the chauchet is retarded lol
Help me out. This sounded like a great rifle. But an automatic weapon with a 20 round clip? Was it a problem if you had to constantly change clips. I mean, if its rate was 500 rpm then one clip was seconds.
@wannabehendrix they where tought to fire in bursts so they could conserve ammo and not warp the barrle. not like you see in the moives where they just empty the clip on one guy.
@hummerskickass I can imagine it helped recoil as well and accuracy too specially since the BAR was inaccurate as balls but somehow accurate enough to kill our president but that is a story for another time
@shermonruler the BAR is a very accurate gun. it has a long barrle and fires the 30-06 a wonderful combo. and when was a BAR ever used to kill a president?
@shermonruler there is a small bullet spread and the gun that killed the president was an Italian carcano rifle it was very inaccurate used by italy during ww2
another doco trying to glorify America's involvement in ww2 this isn't to say that l don't respect America's involvement l do it's just if they had acted faster the war could have been over a lot quicker instead they sat on the sidelines and sold supply's to both sides and saying that the Germans couldn't match the B.A..R's firepower that's just plain ignorant, the MG42 was and still is one of the fastest firing machine guns ever made then there's the MG34
@fnbfnbf until pear harbor was bombed the American military ranked 18th in the world. They had not upgraded anything since ww1. We had just come out of the great depression and a "substantial number " of american males were told to go home when drafted into the military because they were so sick and malnourished. So it's not like "we were just sitting on the sidelines ".......it was more like we were lieing in a gutter.
i dont realy get why they dont do some redesign on this concept
the m14 is said to be unstable when firing in full auto mode, and 7.62x51mm machine guns are most of the time more then 2kg heavier without the ammo and the belt magazine
and that while those are now most of the time made out of lightweigt materiel and this...?
well this is a gun made out of iron and wood
ok, they now have the scar-h and hk 417 with are also pretty accurate in auto and lighter, but not this accurate
@13thmistral they won't redesign the BAR because it uses the .30-06 round which is no longer a standard round in the US military. To change the BAR's caliber would be to change the entire weapon and it would no longer be a BAR.
The M249 is roughly the same weight while having 10x the ammunition capacity (BAR - 20rds, M249 - 200rds).
The M240 is heavier, but again it has a much higher ammunition capacity while using the 7.62x51mm NATO.
These days it's all about the AMOUNT of fire power.
@13thmistral You can still call it a BAR, but it's really not a BAR. Just like an AK101 chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO; it's called an AK, but it doesn't work the same. Nobody thinks of the AK101 when someone says 'AK'.
If you are talking about the IAR for the USMC then you must realize that the entire project is just a way for the USMC to adopt a new rifle and bypass all the political nonsense and restrictions that come with such a change. A 30rd rifle can never fill the position of an M249
not much people here thinks about ak-101 if they think about ak, because its the most iconic of the ak familly and some people here dont know that much about the ak familly
it pretty much works the same if you talk about mechanics and shit
of course changement to fire the 5.56x45mm is required
o can i hope you dont think i did ever saids such a gun can replace the m249 saw in anny situation ?
@13thmistral Well if you look at the AK101, you can see that it is used almost COMPLETELY different than an AK47, even though they are built the same.
The same thing would happen with the BAR. You rechamber it and it becomes BAR101 - a weapon that will be different than the original BAR because of their different calibers.
Also I was assuming you were talking about replacing the 249 because you brought up the IAR program for the USMC. The whole IAR for the USMC is about replacing the 249 (BS)
Winner's of the MOH such as Charles E Kelly, & soldier's in general should never have to have such difficult lives in peace time. Considering all they've sacrificed for freedom, they deserve better.
@kaang69 It's the same of all soldiers mate, if you take a football player like David Beckham, he earns the same in a year as over a dozen frontline soldiers do in Afghan.
Theres a sport star getting payed huge amounts for kicking a ball around a pitch.
And theres a soldier who's getting payed pennies in comparison, who as part of his job has to kill and be prepared to be killed.
@SgtShnackendale I agree 100%. It's sad when we pay all this money for our entertainment, but we complain about our taxes going to defense spending & especially Veteran's & their care. All my family that returned from WWII were very emotionally disturbed, it would be PSD today. My friend's fathers' were very abusive. They were never able to "turn it off". Knowing what I know now, I understand & can forgive, but at the time, it was very difficult. Now that they have passed, I hope they R at Peace
The BAR was an excellent weapon. It had only one drawback; its magazine was underneath the rifle, which made reloading more difficult than the top-loading Bren, especially if you were "walking fire." It was also a heavy son of a gun to carry around all day.
In the beginning of this video, they seem to be forgetting that the Lewis Machine Gun was already filling the roll the BAR was designed for. Maybe not as reliably, but it was a hell of a gun. It was ... certain commonwealth troops with their Lewis Guns and Mills bombs that won that War,
I love all the wikipidia idiots. Spare ammo carred by another man?! WTF are you chowder heads talking about. My grandfather was a Marine in WWII and carried the BAR. He always told me HE carried a rucksack with several mags in it and the rucksack was slung over his shoulder. He told me often the "A-gunner" would get shot or catch fragmentation and would fall behind or removed via Corpsmen. He would continue the fight alone with the sack full of spare mags. Put that in your wiki and smoke it!
@shoktroop Well not in typical combat was there an ammo assistant, however in traning, and in manuals, the BAR gunner is provided with an asistant, and the manuals mention them too, they are to carry the spare ammo, the bipod, and the carrying handle. However in the field, the BAR gunner pretty much operated alone.
@shoktroop It's mostly true of belt fed machine guns such as the modern M249, M240, GPMG etc.
I'm sure it'll work slightly differently in the US forces but in the British Army if you have a fireteam of 4 (known as a brick), the loadout would usually be something like:
IC - AR (usually SA80's)
2IC - AR + extra ammo for the belt fed (50-300 rounds)
3rd man - AR with UGL
4th man - Belt fed (usually an M249 or GPMG)
The 4th man will carry plenty of his own, but belts burn fast.
Don't even compare the BAR to an STG44, the BAR isn't even an assault rifle and it needed another person to carry the ammo, a STG44 is obviously better than a BAR, at the time, the STG44 (or MP44, whatever I wana call it) was bloody space age for its time.
@jimmyxx3 Need another person to carry ammo? WTF. It a one man fire and reload. A average American squad is usually a five or six men squad. A squad have one M1, one BAR, one or two SMG, and a M1 carbine. No one is going to carry extra ammo for the BAR. They have to worry about their own ammo supplies. The BAR was created in 1919. Dumb ass. It was a bloody space age tools of its time too.
@916ppl an average WW2 American fire squad consisted of 9-10 ppl: 1 Squadleader with Thompson/Garand, 1 BAR or .30cal, and the rest mostly with M1 Gs, and some M1 C. And the BAR needed someone else to carry ammo alongside with it, just like every other weapon.
The BAR wasn't even a a rifle, it was a light machinegun. It was far too heavy for a rifle (it needed second soldier to carry ammo because a single soldier could not carry both the gun and enough ammo) and was firing from open bolt - machinegun feature - which rendered it inaccurate in single shots. Similar weapons are the British Bren, the Soviet Degtyarov and the like.
4:50 definately not true. The MG42 weights not that much more, and even if you consider having exchange barrel and ammo for it, thats what your comrades are for. The MG42 can easily outvolume 2 BARs, most likely even 3 since the belt reload is quicker than you would think.
@FrontlinerCdV I dont think you understand the caliber 30-06, it is for hunting large game, it is larger that most sniper rifle rounds. MG42 is great for a light machine gun, the BAR is a fully auto sniper rifle.
@B00Mx54R what a crapload of bullshit. First of, the 30-06 was the Standard Issue Caliber used by the US Army in WW1 and 2, by no fucking means its something special or bigger than sniper rounds. The Springfield 03 was the designated marksman weapon in WW2, along with few scoped Garands, and both of them use the 30-06!
The MG42 is not really a light machinegun, since the stuff youll carry along with it (exchange barrel, gloves, 2000 rounds of 7,92mm) quickly adds up. (tbc)
@B00Mx54R (continue #1) And LOL the BAR a sniper rifle? Are you stupid or on drugs? It weighs 20 pounds UNloaded, it is long and kinda bulky, do you really think its a Sniper Rifle? Do you really think you can lift a 20+ pound weapon and get off an accurate shot over 300 yards? Are you completely retarded? Not to mention you cannot attach a scope on it. Real life isnt like the custom awesomeness of Call Of Duty: Get it in your skull, the BAR is a LIGHT MACHINE GUN.
@AbelmetaL2112 Sprinfield 03, Mosin Nagant, Kar98k, M1 Garand, etc. all have magazines. They're just internal. The bolt actions mentioned are fed with loose rounds or stripper clips. M1 Garand is loaded with an En Bloc clip. It's called En Bloc because it goes into the rifle itself, like the Italian bolt action Carcano rifle. Magazines house the rounds, whether it's detachable or internal. Just thought I'd go into more depth with the explanation.
@AbelmetaL2112 More specificcally, a clip loads a magazine. Rifles like the M1 garand and most bolt actions have an internal magazine that is loaded with clip, where modern assault rifles have external magazines (that are reloaded with stripper clips)
@AbelmetaL2112 Not exactly... The springfield and mosin nagant both use magazines, what FEEDS into the magazine, what fits into the bracket and one would strip the rounds into the magazine (stripper clip)
@cammike10 what i meant was the little metal things that hold the bullets. the ones you place on such rifles and then you push the ammo into the internal magazine.
@Lucker1992 i dont think its too heavy and im 13. i got to hold one today :). but then adding that to a regular sodiers pack and gear, it would be heavy.
@meatwad4900 i only said that it was much better, and that is true. Sure, A little Country like Germany dont have the Resources like a Country like America or Russia, so that they were not able to mass produce like America/Russia.
@Warlord13413 I see. True enough it was a very versatile weapon, you got me there. The americans did had a similar weapon, though, in the M1941. Almost the same with a few differences.
@25poul1258 The BAR and MG42 are 2 different types of weapons. MG42 is a crew served weapon, while the BAR is an individual weapon. The Germans had no equivalent weapon. The MG 42 was less mobile, and slower to reload. It is the equivalent of the US Browning M-1919 light machine gun. Both types are used to support an infantry squad, but the BAR is much more useful in assault, and fast movement.
It fires the same 30.06 round that the M1919 .30 cal light machine gun. As to the question of being an Automatic rifle or light machine gun, the weapon is called a Browning Automatic Rifle.
@GSpeedEmotion it would probably depend on the individual who will be firing it. it would be hard to compare the two because they fire different rounds and vary a lot in size... but personally i would probably choose the stg 44 because it would be easier to carry and would be more convenient in build up areas.
Kelly sure used his gangster mentality to good use against the Germans
dave1986R 6 days ago
Therein lies one of my points from my post, you've just complimented it. However, I was comparing the BAR to JAPANESE weaponry.
ccmm53095 2 weeks ago
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ccmm53095 2 weeks ago
Sometimes I wish we would have just left Europe to rot to Soviet communism. They all hate us Americans now.
smokndarasta 2 weeks ago
The B.A.R. caliber is huge compared to any german or japanese guns. That means more killing power.
TheMisunderstood35 3 weeks ago
...Typical Americans claiming they invented everything. The B.A.R design was taken from the Belgian M.A.G of the previous year.
UBIQUEROL 1 month ago
@UBIQUEROL I hope you don't mean the FN MAG, that was after the BAR.
The BAR was designed by Browning.
MrThomPS3 3 weeks ago
@UBIQUEROL You mean the 'typical Americans' that came in and liberated your country and every other western European country that could not stand up to the nazis until the USA arrived? OK, yes, those typical Americans.
joelSanFrancisco 2 weeks ago
@joelSanFrancisco
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UBIQUEROL 2 weeks ago
uhm te clip sometimes glitches because i dont know a gun called ba1
Sn1p3rsh0t2012 1 month ago
It was better than the Japanese, but not as good as the MG42/MG34 of the German Army
THE13EARJEW 1 month ago
i had a chance to fire a BAR at an indoor shooting range a couple of years ago. never shot a full auto before. suddenly, i felt like Clyde Barrow and wanted to rob every bank in sight
alkimst13 1 month ago
Lol the bar is the only American gun I like. Other than the Lewis
thehumangunstore 1 month ago
Lol!! The Chauchat was such a failgun.... The BAR is my favorite though
t3super60W 1 month ago
Oh yeah great, let's bang some 60mm mortars against the wall. These people call themselves experts?
HPBrowningBoy 2 months ago
@HPBrowningBoy Worked though didn't it...
LimeyPipeSmoker91 1 month ago
@LimeyPipeSmoker91 No it did not. There is a safety pin in the fuze, it is enough if you remove that and throw it. If you bang it against the wall like in the video (and like Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty etc.) the propulsion charge will ignite and you will blow your hand off...
HPBrowningBoy 1 month ago
Oh I say can you see oh I say can you see an all American rifle
Raining lead at you
snipergy4 3 months ago
Mobile firepower that the Germans and Japanese couldn't match? I beg to differ
thehumangunstore 3 months ago 10
@thehumangunstore For 1918... I wouldn't beg to differ. For 1944, I would agree with you. For 2011, it's obsolete. Do you get what i'm going at? Now shut up and watch the video. :)
downloadgoblin 2 months ago
@downloadgoblin the germans had the bergman mp 18 (first submachine gun) and the mgo8 (mobile light machine-gun ) all by 1918. and you didn't need to tell me to shut up. sad face :(
thehumangunstore 2 months ago
@thehumangunstore That's what I thought, although the German's light mg42 could not be fired accurately while moving
Designstudioyear1 1 month ago
@Designstudioyear1 the bar isn't very accurate! however the germans did have light machine guns like the bar. they just aren't as popular as this is
thehumangunstore 1 month ago
@thehumangunstore Would you care to give an example of those LMGs, I can't think of any.
MrThomPS3 3 weeks ago
@thehumangunstore: While the BAR couldn't compare German GPMGs in terms of effectiveness and versatility, it was superior to what the Japanese were equipped with. Kijiro Nambu (Japan's chief designer) designed weapons that were accurate but incorporated lots of superfluous features and were overly complex and therefore unreliable. The Japanese machine guns failed to stand up against the BAR. Furthermore, none of the weapons discussed had a place within the context of Japanese military doctrine.
ccmm53095 2 weeks ago
@ccmm53095 i would compair it to the Sturmgewher 44 or fg 42 automatic rifles.
thehumangunstore 2 weeks ago
@thehumangunstore: The StG44 is an fires an intermediate caliber round, while the FG42 is a "battle rifle" firing full-size 8mm. The most appropriate comparison would be the BAR and the FG42. The FG42 was superior to the BAR. Its drawbacks on the battle field were really no worse than the one's suffered by post-war battle rifles (the FAL or the M-14). Difficult to control in full auto because of the light weight and full powered cartridge, but devastating. The FG was also better ergonomically.
ccmm53095 2 weeks ago
@thehumangunstore mobile firepower may be the factor in that comment. sure the germans had the FG42, but as far as I know those were not widely distributed. one of the issues with the german arsenal was that they already had so many different designs on the battlefield. I am no expert but if I had to argue for this statement this is how I would do it.
jubeikiba6 5 days ago
Hmm how much would this gun cost in times of need?
Pearlharbor350 3 months ago
Nobody likes to remember it, but very early BARs had some teething troubles, delaying their deployment in WWI. Obviously, these are long gone and the BAR's operating system survives in the FN MAG and its licensed US clone, the M240 series.
And who in their right mind would compare a BAR to an MG42? About the only thing these two guns have in common is that they're automatics firing rifle cartridges. Totally different tactical employment, totally different concepts.
MrHongKongBuffet 3 months ago
@MrHongKongBuffet: The FN MAG-58 incorporates features of both the BAR and the MG42. It uses the gas mechanism of the BAR and the feed mechanism of an MG42.
ccmm53095 2 weeks ago
I think that the funny thing is that they say the Germans could not match it's rate of fire mg42 fired at over 1500 rpm
Hyperdog456 4 months ago
@Hyperdog456
He's referring to it being mobile, an MG42 was not however; he is still wrong lol. The Germans had a weapon far superior to the BAR called the FG42 (it was made in small numbers for fallschrimjaegers). Even though it was very successful they chose not to make many as they saw it as a waste of money because their philosophy was to allow the heavy machine gun to do the battering while the infantry take the objective. The allies were the opposite.
MrOhaiMark 3 months ago
@MrOhaiMark It all depends on what you consider to be the key points in "firepower". The FG42 had a higher rate of fire; but the BAR had a higher muzzle velocity of 860 m/s versus 740 m/s and also an effective range of 1370 meters versus the FG42's approximately 500. It could also depend on what they're considering normal or average for the various sides and if they're considering unit firepower versus individual weapon firepower.
zerstorer335 3 months ago
@MrOhaiMark
You're forgetting that the FG42 was MUCH lighter, MUCH more accurate, had MUCH kess recoil, and most importantly had a MUCH larger clip size. The FG42 was literally a mobile MG42. It was loads better than the BAR, you can't even compare the two. The BAR was an outdated, outclassed piece of crap used to give some pathetic grunts some courage (like most USA equipment). There is a reason the kill ratio on the western front was about 5:1 (as said by Patton) in favor of the Germans.
MrOhaiMark 3 months ago
@MrOhaiMark Seeing as your post came shortly after mine and we're the ones paralleling the BAR/FG42, I'm going to guess you were replying to me. Weight, accuarcy, and recoil don't always translate into someone's equation of "firepower" because not everyone puts the same value on the same characteristics. Now I see I accidentally replied to you instead of Hyperdog and my mind was on firepower (from the clip), not rate of fire (from his post), so my initial post makes even less sense.
zerstorer335 3 months ago
@MrOhaiMark The FG42 is not superior to the BAR, sorry, COD doesn't make you a gun expert ;) And the MG42 is quite light weighted, it's not as easy to pick up as the BAR, yes, but not that much heavier or unhandy.
FrontlinerCdV 1 month ago
@FrontlinerCdV
I don't play COD. Go away and stop telling me I am wrong without evidince. The FG42 was faster, lighter, more manuevarble, and more reliable. The bar was an outdated project from world war 1. It jammed a lot, it had a slower rate of fire, and was less accurate, oh and it handled like a fucking truck.
MrOhaiMark 1 month ago
@MrOhaiMark You know an increased rate of fire and less weight means that it was way less controllable? The M14 should fail later because of the same issue. An automatic weapon needs to be able to be controlled, and you couldnt do that with the FG42, furthermore the weapon was delicate and jammed quite often with its sideways attached magazine and wasnt as accurate as the BAR judging by its physical properties(catridge used and barrel length).
FrontlinerCdV 1 month ago
All thought the ultimate 1930's badguy gun was the Thompson
AccessDenied55 4 months ago
how is it spelt
cho cho?
sho sho?
DrNickPHD 4 months ago
@DrNickPHD It's Chauchat. The French just made this piece of shit gun sound pretty that's all.
dertyFilms 4 months ago
The Bren was a far better gun. 30 ROUND top loading mag and a quick change barrel. No contest it was better.
trinta999 5 months ago
@trinta999 Definitely. But it's a younger design, so that's to be expected. Browning was told to get automatic rifle fire in the infantryman's hands, and he did that. But he either didn't know or didn't appreciate what you brought up. Not many people were thinking about loading mags while proned out or what to do with a hot barrel, most HMGs still using water-cooling systems.
zerstorer335 3 months ago
The Japanese snipers were actually trained to shoot the guys with BAR's first along with medics. I also saw somewhere where they said that the gun and shoot through several feet of solid concrete.
Freakof5FDP 5 months ago
@Freakof5FDP ive actually seen one fire clear through a car.
TheDarkesT44 5 months ago
The M1917 was actually used more than the m1903 by American troops during WWI. Fired the same .30-06 cartridge but housed six rounds instead of five, has a smoother cock-on-close bolt, improved peep sights with a longer sight radius for better precision, and could be manufactured more quickly and cheaply. It's a copy of the English P14 which has elements of Lee Enfield as well as Mauser, where as the M1903 was pretty much a blatant German mauser copy.
NormanMatchem 5 months ago
Really like this gun!
TaZ101SAGA 5 months ago
Or the Barrely Automatic Rifle
kaner1434 5 months ago
the US had the option between the lewis gun and chauchet and they chose the worst gun in history lol retards I am American not saying the US is retarded but the people who chose the chauchet is retarded lol
ak907jk 5 months ago
the french didnt invent the lmg
ermaslv44 6 months ago
Whats the name of this documentary?
tiagoback 7 months ago
@tiagoback Tails of the Gun, produced by the History Channal
truckr74 7 months ago
This just needed a bigger magazine!
sauzer65 7 months ago
pretty boy floyd was such a noob
stashJ8 8 months ago
Charlie Kelly from Pennsylvania defeats the evil Wormhat.
saharapussycat 8 months ago
i agree entirely there
Thewildgerman1 8 months ago
Help me out. This sounded like a great rifle. But an automatic weapon with a 20 round clip? Was it a problem if you had to constantly change clips. I mean, if its rate was 500 rpm then one clip was seconds.
wannabehendrix 8 months ago
@wannabehendrix they where tought to fire in bursts so they could conserve ammo and not warp the barrle. not like you see in the moives where they just empty the clip on one guy.
hummerskickass 8 months ago 19
@hummerskickass That makes sense. Thanks
wannabehendrix 8 months ago
@hummerskickass I can imagine it helped recoil as well and accuracy too specially since the BAR was inaccurate as balls but somehow accurate enough to kill our president but that is a story for another time
shermonruler 6 months ago
@shermonruler the BAR is a very accurate gun. it has a long barrle and fires the 30-06 a wonderful combo. and when was a BAR ever used to kill a president?
hummerskickass 6 months ago
@hummerskickass I made a mistake my bad anyways I'm sure it wasn't as accurate as a rifle
shermonruler 6 months ago
@shermonruler it just about was as accuret it fires the 30-06 a rifle round
hummerskickass 6 months ago
@hummerskickass open bolt =/= accuracy
emasterpiece15 6 months ago
@shermonruler it is a rifle.
TheSandwichyum 6 months ago
@TheSandwichyum no it is a Browning Automatic Rifle
shermonruler 6 months ago
@shermonruler there is a small bullet spread and the gun that killed the president was an Italian carcano rifle it was very inaccurate used by italy during ww2
anthony2002able 5 months ago
@anthony2002able wasn't that basically a bootleg kar98k?
shermonruler 5 months ago
@shermonruler the carcano came first in about 1891 the k98 came in 1898
anthony2002able 5 months ago
@anthony2002able either way the kar98k was better, or so i heard
shermonruler 5 months ago
@shermonruler it was one of the best from ww2
anthony2002able 5 months ago
what show is this
matta428naruto2 8 months ago
this is so ridiculous
another doco trying to glorify America's involvement in ww2 this isn't to say that l don't respect America's involvement l do it's just if they had acted faster the war could have been over a lot quicker instead they sat on the sidelines and sold supply's to both sides and saying that the Germans couldn't match the B.A..R's firepower that's just plain ignorant, the MG42 was and still is one of the fastest firing machine guns ever made then there's the MG34
fnbfnbf 8 months ago
@fnbfnbf MOBILE firepower that the German's couldn't match.
Isosyth 8 months ago
@fnbfnbf until pear harbor was bombed the American military ranked 18th in the world. They had not upgraded anything since ww1. We had just come out of the great depression and a "substantial number " of american males were told to go home when drafted into the military because they were so sick and malnourished. So it's not like "we were just sitting on the sidelines ".......it was more like we were lieing in a gutter.
inkey2 8 months ago
i dont realy get why they dont do some redesign on this concept
the m14 is said to be unstable when firing in full auto mode, and 7.62x51mm machine guns are most of the time more then 2kg heavier without the ammo and the belt magazine
and that while those are now most of the time made out of lightweigt materiel and this...?
well this is a gun made out of iron and wood
ok, they now have the scar-h and hk 417 with are also pretty accurate in auto and lighter, but not this accurate
13thmistral 8 months ago
@13thmistral they won't redesign the BAR because it uses the .30-06 round which is no longer a standard round in the US military. To change the BAR's caliber would be to change the entire weapon and it would no longer be a BAR.
The M249 is roughly the same weight while having 10x the ammunition capacity (BAR - 20rds, M249 - 200rds).
The M240 is heavier, but again it has a much higher ammunition capacity while using the 7.62x51mm NATO.
These days it's all about the AMOUNT of fire power.
mtrtrm 8 months ago
@mtrtrm concept, not name
though a old bar rechambering in 7.62x51mm, still you call it a bar though(modded but still...)
not with the standard ammo and box it has
about that last, well, indeed, but the bar still has firepower to
also, never heard of the iar project ?
5.56x45mm nato and verry high portabillity, though the lmg or gpmg is not almighty and prefered by everyone
13thmistral 8 months ago
@13thmistral You can still call it a BAR, but it's really not a BAR. Just like an AK101 chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO; it's called an AK, but it doesn't work the same. Nobody thinks of the AK101 when someone says 'AK'.
If you are talking about the IAR for the USMC then you must realize that the entire project is just a way for the USMC to adopt a new rifle and bypass all the political nonsense and restrictions that come with such a change. A 30rd rifle can never fill the position of an M249
mtrtrm 8 months ago
@mtrtrm ak101
i even see the word ak in that
not much people here thinks about ak-101 if they think about ak, because its the most iconic of the ak familly and some people here dont know that much about the ak familly
it pretty much works the same if you talk about mechanics and shit
of course changement to fire the 5.56x45mm is required
o can i hope you dont think i did ever saids such a gun can replace the m249 saw in anny situation ?
i seriously hope you didnt
13thmistral 8 months ago
@13thmistral Well if you look at the AK101, you can see that it is used almost COMPLETELY different than an AK47, even though they are built the same.
The same thing would happen with the BAR. You rechamber it and it becomes BAR101 - a weapon that will be different than the original BAR because of their different calibers.
Also I was assuming you were talking about replacing the 249 because you brought up the IAR program for the USMC. The whole IAR for the USMC is about replacing the 249 (BS)
mtrtrm 8 months ago
@mtrtrm yea thats true, still its a ak, no arguiing about that one exualy
replacing it totaly ?
i thouhgt replacing it in most situations, not totazly was it then ?
13thmistral 8 months ago
I am sure Someone has said it already but I suppose thats where they got the idea in saving private ryan with the mortars at the end
BefuddledBumpkin 9 months ago
Winner's of the MOH such as Charles E Kelly, & soldier's in general should never have to have such difficult lives in peace time. Considering all they've sacrificed for freedom, they deserve better.
kaang69 9 months ago
@kaang69 It's the same of all soldiers mate, if you take a football player like David Beckham, he earns the same in a year as over a dozen frontline soldiers do in Afghan.
Theres a sport star getting payed huge amounts for kicking a ball around a pitch.
And theres a soldier who's getting payed pennies in comparison, who as part of his job has to kill and be prepared to be killed.
A strange world it is.
SgtShnackendale 9 months ago
@SgtShnackendale I agree 100%. It's sad when we pay all this money for our entertainment, but we complain about our taxes going to defense spending & especially Veteran's & their care. All my family that returned from WWII were very emotionally disturbed, it would be PSD today. My friend's fathers' were very abusive. They were never able to "turn it off". Knowing what I know now, I understand & can forgive, but at the time, it was very difficult. Now that they have passed, I hope they R at Peace
kaang69 9 months ago
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thehomersimpson6 9 months ago
Good weapon, but 20 rounds is not quite enough for an auto ...
djbanizza 9 months ago
@djbanizza If the magazine had been any longer it would have 'monopoded' on the ground.
Thats why the Bren feeds vertically.
ExoticSpotting 9 months ago
@djbanizza well with a slow rate of fire and better than 5 round rifle
tfoshohoe 9 months ago
kelly sounds like a crazy bastard. whacking mortar rounds and dropping them on the krauts. jeez.
nomadnametab 10 months ago
charles e. kelly is a one-man commando and he's the father of john rambo.. :D
kaynie143 10 months ago
The BAR was an excellent weapon. It had only one drawback; its magazine was underneath the rifle, which made reloading more difficult than the top-loading Bren, especially if you were "walking fire." It was also a heavy son of a gun to carry around all day.
usafvet100 10 months ago
In the beginning of this video, they seem to be forgetting that the Lewis Machine Gun was already filling the roll the BAR was designed for. Maybe not as reliably, but it was a hell of a gun. It was ... certain commonwealth troops with their Lewis Guns and Mills bombs that won that War,
ChromeArty 10 months ago
:)
peetersmarco 10 months ago
I love all the wikipidia idiots. Spare ammo carred by another man?! WTF are you chowder heads talking about. My grandfather was a Marine in WWII and carried the BAR. He always told me HE carried a rucksack with several mags in it and the rucksack was slung over his shoulder. He told me often the "A-gunner" would get shot or catch fragmentation and would fall behind or removed via Corpsmen. He would continue the fight alone with the sack full of spare mags. Put that in your wiki and smoke it!
shoktroop 10 months ago
@shoktroop Well not in typical combat was there an ammo assistant, however in traning, and in manuals, the BAR gunner is provided with an asistant, and the manuals mention them too, they are to carry the spare ammo, the bipod, and the carrying handle. However in the field, the BAR gunner pretty much operated alone.
LoneWolf051 10 months ago
@shoktroop It's mostly true of belt fed machine guns such as the modern M249, M240, GPMG etc.
I'm sure it'll work slightly differently in the US forces but in the British Army if you have a fireteam of 4 (known as a brick), the loadout would usually be something like:
IC - AR (usually SA80's)
2IC - AR + extra ammo for the belt fed (50-300 rounds)
3rd man - AR with UGL
4th man - Belt fed (usually an M249 or GPMG)
The 4th man will carry plenty of his own, but belts burn fast.
IC= In Command
SgtShnackendale 9 months ago
I rented one of these in AZ, TONS of fun!
herroyalarmy 10 months ago
if the replicas weren't so pricey i'd get a BAR in a second. such an amazing rifle along with the M14.
DJM442 10 months ago
anyone know the name of the show this is from?
stealthki11er0 11 months ago
Don't even compare the BAR to an STG44, the BAR isn't even an assault rifle and it needed another person to carry the ammo, a STG44 is obviously better than a BAR, at the time, the STG44 (or MP44, whatever I wana call it) was bloody space age for its time.
jimmyxx3 11 months ago
@jimmyxx3 Need another person to carry ammo? WTF. It a one man fire and reload. A average American squad is usually a five or six men squad. A squad have one M1, one BAR, one or two SMG, and a M1 carbine. No one is going to carry extra ammo for the BAR. They have to worry about their own ammo supplies. The BAR was created in 1919. Dumb ass. It was a bloody space age tools of its time too.
916ppl 11 months ago
@916ppl
Yes, the BAR needed someone else to carry the heavy ammo, maby a little bit of research could help feed your little brain.
jimmyxx3 11 months ago
@916ppl an average WW2 American fire squad consisted of 9-10 ppl: 1 Squadleader with Thompson/Garand, 1 BAR or .30cal, and the rest mostly with M1 Gs, and some M1 C. And the BAR needed someone else to carry ammo alongside with it, just like every other weapon.
FrontlinerCdV 11 months ago
@jimmyxx3
I'd rather compare the BAR to teh FG-42 at the least :D
LoggotyroX32 8 months ago
@LoggotyroX32
Yeah, I get too many COD fan "gun experts" who compare these 2.
jimmyxx3 8 months ago
Nevermind. This question was just itching to be answered so I did a little research before posting and found nothing.
Then I saw the next part of the video on #9...yeah...
gorrammit 11 months ago
Question: why was the SG44 considered to be the first modern assault rifle?
What's the difference between the BAR and the "modern" assault rifle? Bigger rounds?
gorrammit 11 months ago
@gorrammit
The BAR wasn't even a a rifle, it was a light machinegun. It was far too heavy for a rifle (it needed second soldier to carry ammo because a single soldier could not carry both the gun and enough ammo) and was firing from open bolt - machinegun feature - which rendered it inaccurate in single shots. Similar weapons are the British Bren, the Soviet Degtyarov and the like.
r8wing 11 months ago
@gorrammit there are quite a number that form the term "assault rifle", I`ll list them up briefly:
1. Intermediate round
2. Intermediate weight(typically 3 to 5kg)
3. selective fire capability
4. buttstock
5. pistol grip for better handling
FrontlinerCdV 11 months ago
too bad this thing didn't have 30 rounds, or was belt fed
lonewolf604 11 months ago
@lonewolf604
If it were belt fed , you couldn't move it as much and use it for full efficiency.
Robotrino 11 months ago
Captain America - Steve Rogers used this weapon in WW2.
alfff0 11 months ago
4:50 definately not true. The MG42 weights not that much more, and even if you consider having exchange barrel and ammo for it, thats what your comrades are for. The MG42 can easily outvolume 2 BARs, most likely even 3 since the belt reload is quicker than you would think.
FrontlinerCdV 11 months ago
@FrontlinerCdV
BAR: 19.4lb
MG42: 25.5lb and still with 1500RPM!!!
type99: 23lb
you have a good point
BYAcommand 11 months ago
@FrontlinerCdV I dont think you understand the caliber 30-06, it is for hunting large game, it is larger that most sniper rifle rounds. MG42 is great for a light machine gun, the BAR is a fully auto sniper rifle.
B00Mx54R 11 months ago
@B00Mx54R what a crapload of bullshit. First of, the 30-06 was the Standard Issue Caliber used by the US Army in WW1 and 2, by no fucking means its something special or bigger than sniper rounds. The Springfield 03 was the designated marksman weapon in WW2, along with few scoped Garands, and both of them use the 30-06!
The MG42 is not really a light machinegun, since the stuff youll carry along with it (exchange barrel, gloves, 2000 rounds of 7,92mm) quickly adds up. (tbc)
FrontlinerCdV 11 months ago
@B00Mx54R (continue #1) And LOL the BAR a sniper rifle? Are you stupid or on drugs? It weighs 20 pounds UNloaded, it is long and kinda bulky, do you really think its a Sniper Rifle? Do you really think you can lift a 20+ pound weapon and get off an accurate shot over 300 yards? Are you completely retarded? Not to mention you cannot attach a scope on it. Real life isnt like the custom awesomeness of Call Of Duty: Get it in your skull, the BAR is a LIGHT MACHINE GUN.
FrontlinerCdV 11 months ago
@FrontlinerCdV dont bother talking senses to these idiots
and lol at MG42 a LMG
tonysuthechineseguy 10 months ago
so the BAR is Older tha the Mp44 still is better
Nostro200 11 months ago
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Lucker1992 11 months ago 5
@Lucker1992 Most of the time it was fired from a laying-down position. Kinda what the 2-leg stand on the front was for.
Hell, it was lightweight when compared to the 20-kg machine guns that took more than one man to carry.
CommanderCooper 11 months ago
its called a bipod
stakeee 11 months ago
@stakeee Ah. That's the word I was looking for. Thanks.
CommanderCooper 11 months ago
@Lucker1992 8.79
BYAcommand 11 months ago
@Lucker1992 *magazine. The Garand and Springfield 1903 used clips. The BAR used magazines.
mauiboynokaoi 10 months ago
@Lucker1992 You may be right but what is a clip?
DAILEYericCaryUSA 10 months ago
@DAILEYericCaryUSA Its what holds the bullets
burnout541 10 months ago
@DAILEYericCaryUSA a clip is something used to hold bullets like in a springfield bolt action or mossin nagant
a magazine is what is used on most rifles and handguns.
AbelmetaL2112 9 months ago 23
@AbelmetaL2112 or M1 GARAND! :D
renoretards 9 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 and the difference between those two descriptions is...?
bob22222222222222100 8 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 Sprinfield 03, Mosin Nagant, Kar98k, M1 Garand, etc. all have magazines. They're just internal. The bolt actions mentioned are fed with loose rounds or stripper clips. M1 Garand is loaded with an En Bloc clip. It's called En Bloc because it goes into the rifle itself, like the Italian bolt action Carcano rifle. Magazines house the rounds, whether it's detachable or internal. Just thought I'd go into more depth with the explanation.
NormanMatchem 8 months ago
@NormanMatchem thank you. my English isn't the best lol
AbelmetaL2112 8 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 More specificcally, a clip loads a magazine. Rifles like the M1 garand and most bolt actions have an internal magazine that is loaded with clip, where modern assault rifles have external magazines (that are reloaded with stripper clips)
ChewbacaChunx 6 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 Not exactly... The springfield and mosin nagant both use magazines, what FEEDS into the magazine, what fits into the bracket and one would strip the rounds into the magazine (stripper clip)
nasanasa3 5 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 and the lee enfeld
thebravo1994 3 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 no, in a springfield and mossin nagant it's called an internal magazine. clip is just slang
cammike10 3 months ago
@cammike10 what i meant was the little metal things that hold the bullets. the ones you place on such rifles and then you push the ammo into the internal magazine.
AbelmetaL2112 3 months ago
@AbelmetaL2112 its called a striper clip. just to let you know
cammike10 3 months ago
@cammike10 still a clip lol
AbelmetaL2112 2 months ago
@Lucker1992 Magazine!!!!!!!!
renoretards 9 months ago
@Lucker1992 i dont think its too heavy and im 13. i got to hold one today :). but then adding that to a regular sodiers pack and gear, it would be heavy.
agent4452 9 months ago
how much would it cost to get a BAR in fully automatic mode?
jclewis 1 year ago
@jclewis YOu need a special licence to do that.
ledzeplin7 11 months ago
god this gun is great in nazi zombies!
PresidentLucario 1 year ago
@PresidentLucario Mows them down :D
grevemoss 1 year ago
@PresidentLucario this is about the real gun in wars, not fucking video games. go back to facebook.
detlefius1 1 year ago
why so mean :(
but the BAR is still a good gun both in nazi zombies and in real life.
PresidentLucario 1 year ago
The FG42 is MUCH better... it is an MG,Assault Rifle, Rifle and Sniper Rifle in 1 GUN! .
Warlord13413 1 year ago
@Warlord13413 The FG42 wasn't produced in enough quantities as the B.A.R. was to have any true effect on the war.
meatwad4900 1 year ago
@meatwad4900 i only said that it was much better, and that is true. Sure, A little Country like Germany dont have the Resources like a Country like America or Russia, so that they were not able to mass produce like America/Russia.
Warlord13413 1 year ago
@Warlord13413 I see. True enough it was a very versatile weapon, you got me there. The americans did had a similar weapon, though, in the M1941. Almost the same with a few differences.
meatwad4900 1 year ago
@Warlord13413
you're an idiot. the FG42 is as accurate as any field gun, 4 MOA at best with surplus ammo.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@Warlord13413 lol
curseofa5r5a 1 year ago
I find it kind of funny that he says the germans couldn't match the BAR fire power.. what about the mg 42? :D
25poul1258 1 year ago
@25poul1258 The BAR and MG42 are 2 different types of weapons. MG42 is a crew served weapon, while the BAR is an individual weapon. The Germans had no equivalent weapon. The MG 42 was less mobile, and slower to reload. It is the equivalent of the US Browning M-1919 light machine gun. Both types are used to support an infantry squad, but the BAR is much more useful in assault, and fast movement.
snakemanmike 1 year ago
@snakemanmike The Germans did have an equivalent weapon in the FG42.
barccy 1 year ago
the BAR even looks like a bar =]
lifes40123 1 year ago
B.A.R. Browning's. Automatic. Reaper :D
artacania 1 year ago
no wonder the barrow gang favored this weapon
Fantascular 1 year ago
Dozens of rounds per minute then 550 rpm all from a 20 round mag.
alpha18412 1 year ago
Got to shot the B.A.R. once and I'm telling you it was love at first shot
R.I.P. John Moses Browning
nycwiseguy91 1 year ago
19 pounds.....now that's an mg!
bsrman36 1 year ago
what's the name of this show?
guns1312 1 year ago
3:08 "the BA ONE" haahah!
TheBelva85 1 year ago
Chauchat was a disaster... no way, bullshit. The 30 06 chauchat was a disaster due to problems in the converison.
TheBelva85 1 year ago
It fires the same 30.06 round that the M1919 .30 cal light machine gun. As to the question of being an Automatic rifle or light machine gun, the weapon is called a Browning Automatic Rifle.
HOOSIERLOVER 1 year ago
Is the BAR considered heavy auto rifle or light mg, because i looked it up and different sites said different things?
HARDROCKER836 1 year ago
@HARDROCKER836 its a heavy automatic rifle.
smokndarasta 1 year ago
BAR= Bad Ass Rifle
XDemonRoxasX 1 year ago 51
Commando Kelly makes call of duty look like a joke lol.
Warnerator 1 year ago
STG 44 vs BAR
GSpeedEmotion 1 year ago
@GSpeedEmotion it would probably depend on the individual who will be firing it. it would be hard to compare the two because they fire different rounds and vary a lot in size... but personally i would probably choose the stg 44 because it would be easier to carry and would be more convenient in build up areas.
CoffeeBeatsTea 1 year ago
My grandpa used this rifle back in WWII. It was a beast back then.
PimpDaddyCatholic 1 year ago
@PimpDaddyCatholic I think what you meant was that it was still (because it was invented during WWI; The Great War) a beast back then (during WWII).
GSpeedEmotion 1 year ago