@DiamandaHagan That's funny Diamanda, considering Star Trek V, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, and possibly even The Motion Picture. Nemesis and The Motion Picture are(IMHO) just dumb movies masquerading as intelligent ones.
Have you heard what people think is so intelligent about those films? "Well, I like the message about the duality of man in Picard and Data", when any perceived message is pretty half-assed. As for V'Ger... I got three words for you... "WHAT A TWIST!!"
@DiamandaHagan With due respect, it's all a matter of perspective. For example, I think it's more than arguable that William Shatner made several very intentionally stupid mistakes that made Star Trek V... well, stupid. In fact the premise for TMP and V were very similar: They were both a God story... which is pretty stupid at it's core. Nobody sets out to make a stupid Star Trek movie, if you watch Star Trek '09 you see JJ and company actually do have reverence for Trek.
Okay.... let's play the middle root. Now, yes the script was a little bit low brow, yes the lens flare was annoying, yes the characters weren't portrayed in the best way. The actors were good, the effects (besides lens flare) were great, the villain (if given the chance) was a great one. And it brought Star Trek back, unlike Nemesis. Nemesis killed the movie franchise. Enterprise was killed when it reached it's stride. Now Star Trek is back, and hopefully the sequel will be better :)
I honestly don't see how Nero is a good villain. Yes, he had the revenge part of Khan, but did not have Montalban's latin charm or power, he had none of General Chang's wit, and for the most part, he's comparable to Sybok or Soran in quality. Those lesser villains had a driving force, but ultimately weren't all that great.
Would I say that this is the worst movie? Of course not. But it's somewhere within the leagues of Generations and Insurrection.
@dragonknightleader1 If you want a full explanation about how Nero was a good villain, check out SFDebris. He explains it the best. Primarily, if you read the Countdown comics, you could really see Nero being awesome. The simple miner, who saw the sun explode first hand, came back to Romulus to get them to act to save the planet. They wouldn't listen, so he allied himself with Spock to get that insto-black hole stuff. Seriously check out the comic for the full blown thing, it really makes Nero:)
Hearing SFDebris's synopsis of Nero's backstory is enough unless I happen to run into those comics. And he does have a point, except for that first scene where his only response is to kill the Kelvin captain. All that does is make him the Russell Crowe of Star Trek.
@dragonknightleader1 Were you not entertained?! Sorry had to make that joke. But I agree with you, I'm just saying he could have been a good villain if GIVEN the chance. The guy ain't a bad actor, but if they allowed him to be diabolical, taken prisoner by the Klingons, and showed him planning his revenge, he could have been awesome. But like Sfdebris said, we had to make more room in the movie for Kirk to be a douche.
George Lucas couldn't kill Star Wars with four crappy films in a row. Russell T Davies couldn't kill Dr Who with four crappy *seasons* in a row. But JJ Abrams killed Star Trek with one crappy film.
The new movie was a great action movie - it was by no means star trek, neither was Nemisis for that matter. Wiping out Vulcan and Romulus kinda randomly, why not just kill the Klingons in the next movie, that'd take all the major (ToS) aliens out of Trek!
Exploration, morality - two things this story had the complete opposite of - laziness (Nemoy's Spock on a VERY convenient planet; the transporter) and motive-less villany (what was the bad guy trying to do - insanity = lazy writing)
I'd just like to go on and say that when your bad guy is just doing things cause he's mental (Nemesis, this movie), there's no longer any meaning to the story as events are just happening 'cause they're happening - there's no running logic, but more importantly, no tension or true drama - other than explosions and stuff to make it look as if somethings happening. Shakespear this ain't - at least with Kahn, First Contact, Undiscovered Country, even Final Frontier had villans with motives.
Then we get to the illogical, random actions made by the cast in order for the script to proceed as scripted. Spock, instead of confining Kirk to the Brig, maroons him on a planet (and I thought Vulcans were logical!); this planet just happens to have other Spock on it, and independently has Scotty also on it - and Scotty happens to know a Deus Ex Machina. And this planet happens to be close to Vulcan - what a fortunant and unexpected turn of events! Illogical, lazy, lazy writing.
It's not even THAT hard to rewrite the script without the Deus Ex Machina or the Incredibly Fortunantly Timed Mix of Random and Planned Events Happily Coinciding - Simply have Nemoy's Spock have a pre-recorded message to Kirk at the appropriate scene after the loss of Vulcan; and react from there. Yes, it isn't poetry in motion - but it ain't as bad as what we got.
I refuse to acknowledge that insult of a film with a number. As far as i'm concerned it was not Star Trek at all.
It stands next to films like 'Snakes on a Plane' and the new 'A-Team' movie. Utter Shit. It has no place alongside the real Star Trek.
It was just a blatant, unashamed exercise in whoreing a loved and respected franchise for profit. There was very little imagination involved. They just raped it.
The cast looked like they belong on '90210' or 'Dawson's Crack' for crying out loud.
4) Kirk jumping from Cadet to Captain of the Federation flagship in one movie. Previously, he'd been in Starfleet for way over a decade before he recieved his command aboard the Enterprise.
Previously Star Trek was, at it's best intelligent, humane, thoughtful, philosophical and relevant. At it's very best it was profound.
Star Trek XI is just Star Trek stripped of all that, made as sexy, fast-paced, action-packed and adolescent as possible. It's lost it's relevance, it's humanism and it's socio-political consciousness. It's all Hollywood now and no heart. J.J. Abrams made a movie that was respectful of the shallow things about Star Trek but eschewed all that was great.
@ThirdRAILKink Are you kidding? Star Trek the Next Generation was at best a civics lesson nestled in the context of a Utopian depiction of man's place in the cosmos. At worst it was pretentious, overtly formal, and selectively insightful. In it's dogmatic desire to appear "cultured," we saw a future where humans only listens to classical music or ragtime jazz, no one celebrates Earth holidays but we're told about Klingon Traditions ad nauseam, and aliens have two personality stereotypes tops.
@cqtaylor That's unfair. The point is more that they tried; they didn't get everything right, no, which is why Trek would be well-served with a new series that has the same old attitude, one that tries to bring social problems to light. Of course, everyone wants it to be a generic action flick, that's what'll sell easily to new audiences. I like to think we'll get through it okay and have something in that spirit on the other end.
@evercharmer Don't get me wrong, I was a fan of the show as a kid, and I meant no offense. At the same time, there's a delicate balance to maintain: 1) Getting the science correct - which they were successful in achieving; 2) Addressing social issues - which they also accomplished; 3) Having original characters that conveyed a sense of growth - a point that was not as successful (and I'll come back to this later due to word count); and 4) Action - which they did more in the STNG movies.
@evercharmer Okay let's go to point 3). The ST writers seemed a little myopic in writing specific characters and writing different alien cultures. For all of Data's declarations of wanting to be human, it was rare when we saw him examining the meanings of love (1 or 2 episode), hate (with Lore, maybe), and loss (any episode of Tasha) - and this is after like 7 or 8 years of that series. Geordie's character's bio could fit on a postage stamp: engineer, holo-deck girlfriend fetish, blind. TBC
@ThirdRAILKink well it is star trek the action movie, not the series' , not the classic movies or even the truely shitty tng movies. beside this movie has reignited everyones intrest, as well as piquing my interest into star trek in general. btw DS9 and capt Sisko FTW
To be honest, my comment criticizing the movie was a bit harsh. I recently re-watched the new film and liked it very much. I think many of the criticisms often leveled against it are valid, but I also think the movie isn't SO much dumber or shallower than many of the previous film entries. Most of Star Trek's best complexity and intelligence were contained in the various series, not the movies. I also think the new film is mostly true to the spirit of the characters.
(Con't.) It's got problems, for sure, but it's a pretty good movie even if it's not the perfect Star Trek movie. Also, Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer approve of it; I approve very heartily of Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer. If those two (and more besides) say it's Trek, who the hell am I or anyone else to say it's not?
@ThirdRAILKink While I do agree with what you've said in the top comments, I also have to agree that many people have been treating the new fans like shit. Why? It's much more in the spirit of Trek to welcome them; like Data in the clip they don't even understand why you can't like a pretty good action flick around here. Much better would be showing them the stuff of old, yes? Opening a dialogue on why the new movie seems shallow to us (in a way what your comment does).
@ThirdRAILKink Yeah it's not like Star Trek hadn't already been ruined by three terrible TNG movies and two terrible Trek series (Enterprise and Voyager), So let's just blame JJ when Trek was already in the shitter shall we?
@Lone432345 You know, Paramount probably said "After the failure that is Nemesis, we're not financing another Trek unless you can deliver an exciting, fast-paced film JJ." And so he delivered. What's wrong with that? First Contact was a pretty dumb action movie, so why are you so angry?
Still think Trek '09 sucks huh? Well, it's also the ONLY Trek to be in the IMDB's top 250, and I know that doesn't mean a lot, but it didn't get there by being a piece of shit.
My problems with Star Trek XI: 1. Romulus and Vulcan trashed in a single movie. 2. Kirk as everyone's punching bag. 3. Green chick did not say, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." (Perhaps because Eric Bana was in the movie?) 4. Ejecting warp cores when entire fleet is pretty much wrecked. Long walk home. 5. Ensign to Captain in one mission. Uhh....what? Things I liked: 1. Spock is still the most emotional crew member. 2. Kirks' dad is Thor fighting the first Hulk. 3. No STTNG cameos.
I expected ST 11 to be an actual prequel to TOSeries, and instead we got some half baked shit alternate universe, that makes me wanna puke, not to mention ship design and idiotic pathetic plot. I actually loved acting and cast... just... too bad alltogether.
i dont understand what everyone has got against the new star trek movie? I am an avid trekkie and have been since i was 5 years old. Star trek has been one of my fav loves for the best 16 years and i thought abrahams did i good job with it!. It had great action, humour and it took the franchise in a new direction and has given it fresh life again. I'm now speaking to people about star trek who earlier in my life mocked me about it because they saw the new film and thought it was great.
@arna11420 I hope so! That place (or peoples), have had it comin' for a LONG FUCKING time!!! BAM! Now let us give thanks to JJ for giving the best goddamn star trek EVER! And as for you trek nerds, you can go and sodomize yer moms with a wooden spoon! :D
@arna11420 Pffff! Transformers?! That shit is for fagots and sailors! Sir. Why don't you go watch Pearl Harbor, and have yer balls blown away be the shear awesomeness of how powerfully horribly it is, and yourself for not recognize how gayyy you are :D BOOOOM!!! YOU got served bitch!!!
@arna11420 can you PLEASE explain "deus ex machina" to me? I looked it up on Google Translate and it's supposed to mean "ghost in the machine," but I can't track down the reference and it's driving me nuts now lol.
@Edocsil6437 A deus ex machina (Latin: "god out of the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.
Even the Ancient Greeks criticized it. Aristotle argued that the resolution of a plot must arise internally, following from previous action of the play. And Aristotle lived 2300 years ago...
@Antipopularization I've known what Deus ex machina is before Wikipedia. I went there for a concise definition. I would have noticed if there was a mistake.
The studies have shown Wikipedia has the same level of mistake as the encyclopedias. It's written by anyone, but is reviewed by a large number of people. Books are regularly reviewed only by the editor.
@XFSXsnip3rX Actually, they DO teleport (if you wanna be techincal about it) because that's what it's called when you're converted to energy and moved to another spot and rematerialized. Has nothing to do with World of Warcraft.
@arna11420 I hated the use of a beer factory as an engine room, It looked way out of place.. And how convenient was it that kirk was happened to be abandoned on the same planet as older spock?
the latest film was decent, for a general movie. Basically it was a general action movie that happened to take place in the Trek verse. My friend who is not a trekkie, loved it, I on the other hand was quite disappointed. I mean we will see what will happen in the next movie, but I have to say it really lacked the soul of good star trek. Even the most panned and corny Star trek episodes and movies still had that soul
I enjoy these and I enjoyed the new movie. It's not my favorite Star Trek movie ever, but it really did do a good job at bringing more fans to Star Trek... not something that I or other people who worried about the reboot actually expected.
ST XI was good,but it wasn't that great,i mean i liked it but,it was only good for efects and updating,realy JJ is a noob of star trek,he made the whole movie going in one giant fuckin circle!
Ok i enjoyed this movie very much and dont see where they messed up. People are like well they changed it no they didnt change it there just showing us something that happened in a alternate universe so in reality the star trek we know still exist just like the episode on TNG with worf jumping between them there still there so nothing is gone because of this movie its just showing a diffrent outcome
The movie was a lot like receiving empty Christmas presents.
A lot of pompous and glimmering packaging, but shockingly no content.
Star Trek used to have ideas and was a source of inspiration to many. This has none, and the action itself is uninspired. :s
The only seemingly good thing was the makeup on the Vulcans, and the new Spcok seemed to fit in his role. The rest was just terrible thoughtless and dumb. It might as well have been another Star Wars movie instead.
Meh. Star Trek 2009 wasn't really Star Trek. It had all the characters but it wasn't really Star Trek. They could've named it anything and it would be just fine. In fact, it probably would have been a better movie if they'd called it something else.
I don't understand the hatred people have for Star Trek XI. I agree that it didn't have much or any of the Roddenberry philosophy behind it, but Pike did mention what Star Fleet really was during the bar scene. I believe that STXI was an attempt to attract new fans and I think it worked very well, future ST movies will concentrate more on what Star Trek truly stands for.
@GeneralGrin In the movie he says the Federation is a peacekeeping humanitarian armada. Ok, ok star fleet is the armada that does the peacekeeping and humanitarian work for the federation but they are one of the same; don't split hairs. The fact of the matter is that they mentioned it and it will be a relevant part of future movies
@GeneralGrin Actually Pike got it right.....Starfleet is part of the United Federation of Planets....like the US Navy is part of the United States of America
A lotta folks in a lotta general forum's love the movie. So don't think it's a small little , picked on film. It just doesn't really have much cred with the hardcore Trekkors , but I guess they were'nt the target audiance for this movie.
@Univarman It's the philosophy and thorough story of Star Trek that was important, not the silly effects and the mass produced dogmatic space action computer animations scenes.
The new Movie sucked, it was a hour and a half intro, a spineless collection of fat without any muscle tissue. There was absolutely Nothing of intellectual or ideological value in that movie what so ever, it was just another Hollywood bloated carcass of a flop movie, I hope they think before the next one.
@pvtjamesryan3 I think you guys need to take a long, deep breath and realize that it's just a movie. Too imply someone is "fucking retarded" over something as trivial as a piece of entertainment is immature and just plain rude.
@Univarman Well, everything I have seen has been that most people...fans, and non-fans, alike, actually really liked it. None-the-less I can see why some don't. Its not for lack of quality...Most agree it was a good film. Rather it was how it completely re-invents the Star Trek universe. By going back in time and altering history in a HUGE way, it pretty much invalidated and altered the entire Star Trek Universe as it was known.basically causing all the series/movies/fiction to be null & void.
@frankensteinmoneymac The thing is, this newly-created "timeline" is very clearly labeled as a separate, branching, "alternate reality." Those are rare within Star Trek, but they do exist. Like the Mirror Universe, and the multiple different realities seen in TNG episodes like "Parallels" and "All Good Things"
But many "hardcore" Trekkies ignore this and cover their ears going "lalalala, can't hear you," because they just don't like that this new take appeals to a wider audience than just them.
@frankensteinmoneymac The writers of the new movie, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, even specifically noted that the new, altered "alternate reality" runs alongside the main one, specifically mentioning Data's theory about alternate universes in "Parallels" in an interview. Look it up on Trek Movie . com.
So the idea that this new movie "erases" prior Trek is complete malarkey, and those purporting it are deluding themselves. The writers did their homework, and are not so incompetent.
@KaboomKrusader2 Well I'm glad to hear that they took all of that into consideration. None the Less I'm not sure its all that obvious to the fans. I had realized that it was POSSIBLE in ST for alt. Universes that exist independantly (such as in the Mirror U) But seeing as how this is not the norm, I feel some piece of fiction (a Novel?) should be made 2 verify the existance of Both Universes. I doubt many fans have read the (interveiw ?) where Orci and Kurtzman verified the old U. existed still.
@frankensteinmoneymac Well, any fan who really cares about whether or not the two timelines co-exist would probably also care enough to look it up and find things like the interview. Anyone who doesn't care, well... doesn't care. XD
And works of fiction tying them together has been made; there's several comic series. At the very least, the last issue of "Countdown" has the Enterprise-E still in existence for the last few pages after the Narada and Jellyfish got sucked into the black hole.
@KaboomKrusader2 I have to disagree a bit. I cared about the fate of the 2 Universes, & I actually DID look on the Internet for info, but I never came accross the article you mention. Im not sure that the example of the ship existing in the other Reality for a few C.Book pages = proof of both U's existing, either. I seem to Remember a Time Travel incident in ENTERPRISE where Archer is told a change in the T.Line from the past hadnt yet reached them. meaning TL changes are not always instant.
@A88mph No, I dont. I've made a very conscious decision to avoid most Gaming Trends. I would end up spending too much time on em, Damn, as a kid I could easily spend 7 hrs a day playing an 8-bit machine! Thank God i dont live in an era of Holodeck's!! I'd never leave the damn things! Seriously though, I have seen "ST Online' advertised & am curious. Is there an $ monthly fee? If so, do you think its worth it? The game'd have to B pretty awsome 2 make me break my own 'No Play' Rules! LOL!
@Univarman Yea, but a two-line description is nothing compared to seeing that philosophy in action time and time again in TOS and TNG. DS9 and VGR were where the message and philosophy started to get muddled and lost with the warmongering and threatening to use the deadliest force every other episode.
Fucking trek nazis. Get a life.
TheChuchulainn 1 week ago in playlist Star Trek Recuts
It would be interesting to see Section 31 reaction - oh how I hated them...
trekyzoom 2 weeks ago
Star Trek 11 was the first deliberatly stupid trek film.
DiamandaHagan 2 weeks ago
@DiamandaHagan That's funny Diamanda, considering Star Trek V, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, and possibly even The Motion Picture. Nemesis and The Motion Picture are(IMHO) just dumb movies masquerading as intelligent ones.
Have you heard what people think is so intelligent about those films? "Well, I like the message about the duality of man in Picard and Data", when any perceived message is pretty half-assed. As for V'Ger... I got three words for you... "WHAT A TWIST!!"
garamonde 2 weeks ago
@garamonde id call more than a couple of the other ones accidentally stupid films.
DiamandaHagan 2 weeks ago
@DiamandaHagan With due respect, it's all a matter of perspective. For example, I think it's more than arguable that William Shatner made several very intentionally stupid mistakes that made Star Trek V... well, stupid. In fact the premise for TMP and V were very similar: They were both a God story... which is pretty stupid at it's core. Nobody sets out to make a stupid Star Trek movie, if you watch Star Trek '09 you see JJ and company actually do have reverence for Trek.
garamonde 2 weeks ago
Grin should do one where they watch TOS too
SuperIlluminaughty 1 month ago
Where did the "You were a bit rude to me" clip come from? I don't remember Picard ever being mad at Data, nor Data being that emotional.
trlkly 1 month ago
@trlkly
It was the episode where Dr. Graves possesses Data's body, and originally, it was Graves saying those lines (he's a bit of a jerk).
dragonknightleader1 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Recuts
Okay.... let's play the middle root. Now, yes the script was a little bit low brow, yes the lens flare was annoying, yes the characters weren't portrayed in the best way. The actors were good, the effects (besides lens flare) were great, the villain (if given the chance) was a great one. And it brought Star Trek back, unlike Nemesis. Nemesis killed the movie franchise. Enterprise was killed when it reached it's stride. Now Star Trek is back, and hopefully the sequel will be better :)
Clonetrooperkev 1 month ago
@Clonetrooperkev
I honestly don't see how Nero is a good villain. Yes, he had the revenge part of Khan, but did not have Montalban's latin charm or power, he had none of General Chang's wit, and for the most part, he's comparable to Sybok or Soran in quality. Those lesser villains had a driving force, but ultimately weren't all that great.
Would I say that this is the worst movie? Of course not. But it's somewhere within the leagues of Generations and Insurrection.
dragonknightleader1 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Recuts
@dragonknightleader1 If you want a full explanation about how Nero was a good villain, check out SFDebris. He explains it the best. Primarily, if you read the Countdown comics, you could really see Nero being awesome. The simple miner, who saw the sun explode first hand, came back to Romulus to get them to act to save the planet. They wouldn't listen, so he allied himself with Spock to get that insto-black hole stuff. Seriously check out the comic for the full blown thing, it really makes Nero:)
Clonetrooperkev 1 month ago
@Clonetrooperkev
Hearing SFDebris's synopsis of Nero's backstory is enough unless I happen to run into those comics. And he does have a point, except for that first scene where his only response is to kill the Kelvin captain. All that does is make him the Russell Crowe of Star Trek.
dragonknightleader1 1 month ago
@dragonknightleader1 Were you not entertained?! Sorry had to make that joke. But I agree with you, I'm just saying he could have been a good villain if GIVEN the chance. The guy ain't a bad actor, but if they allowed him to be diabolical, taken prisoner by the Klingons, and showed him planning his revenge, he could have been awesome. But like Sfdebris said, we had to make more room in the movie for Kirk to be a douche.
Clonetrooperkev 1 month ago
@Clonetrooperkev
Yep, absolutely.
dragonknightleader1 1 month ago in playlist Star Trek Recuts
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George Lucas couldn't kill Star Wars with four crappy films in a row. Russell T Davies couldn't kill Dr Who with four crappy *seasons* in a row. But JJ Abrams killed Star Trek with one crappy film.
And he's signed on for two more Star Trek films.
KapStuf 2 months ago
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KapStuf 2 months ago
The new movie was a great action movie - it was by no means star trek, neither was Nemisis for that matter. Wiping out Vulcan and Romulus kinda randomly, why not just kill the Klingons in the next movie, that'd take all the major (ToS) aliens out of Trek!
Exploration, morality - two things this story had the complete opposite of - laziness (Nemoy's Spock on a VERY convenient planet; the transporter) and motive-less villany (what was the bad guy trying to do - insanity = lazy writing)
s2k997 3 months ago
I'd just like to go on and say that when your bad guy is just doing things cause he's mental (Nemesis, this movie), there's no longer any meaning to the story as events are just happening 'cause they're happening - there's no running logic, but more importantly, no tension or true drama - other than explosions and stuff to make it look as if somethings happening. Shakespear this ain't - at least with Kahn, First Contact, Undiscovered Country, even Final Frontier had villans with motives.
s2k997 3 months ago
Then we get to the illogical, random actions made by the cast in order for the script to proceed as scripted. Spock, instead of confining Kirk to the Brig, maroons him on a planet (and I thought Vulcans were logical!); this planet just happens to have other Spock on it, and independently has Scotty also on it - and Scotty happens to know a Deus Ex Machina. And this planet happens to be close to Vulcan - what a fortunant and unexpected turn of events! Illogical, lazy, lazy writing.
s2k997 3 months ago
It's not even THAT hard to rewrite the script without the Deus Ex Machina or the Incredibly Fortunantly Timed Mix of Random and Planned Events Happily Coinciding - Simply have Nemoy's Spock have a pre-recorded message to Kirk at the appropriate scene after the loss of Vulcan; and react from there. Yes, it isn't poetry in motion - but it ain't as bad as what we got.
s2k997 3 months ago
Picard's just jealous 'cause Kirk got a ship that's bigger than his own.
scopeeyevideo 3 months ago
I refuse to acknowledge that insult of a film with a number. As far as i'm concerned it was not Star Trek at all.
It stands next to films like 'Snakes on a Plane' and the new 'A-Team' movie. Utter Shit. It has no place alongside the real Star Trek.
It was just a blatant, unashamed exercise in whoreing a loved and respected franchise for profit. There was very little imagination involved. They just raped it.
The cast looked like they belong on '90210' or 'Dawson's Crack' for crying out loud.
MiG2880 3 months ago
Other things I hated about the new movie:
1) Spock designing the Koboyashi Moru.
2) Kirk is a cocky, swaggering jerk.
3) Uhura and Spock's romance.
4) Kirk jumping from Cadet to Captain of the Federation flagship in one movie. Previously, he'd been in Starfleet for way over a decade before he recieved his command aboard the Enterprise.
5) Car theft scene with Beastie Boys' song.
6) Nero was a forgettable villain.
7) Took too many cues from Star Wars.
8) Phasers look like lasers.
ThirdRAILKink 3 months ago
Previously Star Trek was, at it's best intelligent, humane, thoughtful, philosophical and relevant. At it's very best it was profound.
Star Trek XI is just Star Trek stripped of all that, made as sexy, fast-paced, action-packed and adolescent as possible. It's lost it's relevance, it's humanism and it's socio-political consciousness. It's all Hollywood now and no heart. J.J. Abrams made a movie that was respectful of the shallow things about Star Trek but eschewed all that was great.
ThirdRAILKink 3 months ago 32
@ThirdRAILKink Are you kidding? Star Trek the Next Generation was at best a civics lesson nestled in the context of a Utopian depiction of man's place in the cosmos. At worst it was pretentious, overtly formal, and selectively insightful. In it's dogmatic desire to appear "cultured," we saw a future where humans only listens to classical music or ragtime jazz, no one celebrates Earth holidays but we're told about Klingon Traditions ad nauseam, and aliens have two personality stereotypes tops.
cqtaylor 2 months ago
@cqtaylor
I disagree, but I wasn't just talkjing about The Next Generation. I was talking about the best of all Star Trek before the new film.
ThirdRAILKink 2 months ago
@cqtaylor That's unfair. The point is more that they tried; they didn't get everything right, no, which is why Trek would be well-served with a new series that has the same old attitude, one that tries to bring social problems to light. Of course, everyone wants it to be a generic action flick, that's what'll sell easily to new audiences. I like to think we'll get through it okay and have something in that spirit on the other end.
evercharmer 1 month ago
@evercharmer Don't get me wrong, I was a fan of the show as a kid, and I meant no offense. At the same time, there's a delicate balance to maintain: 1) Getting the science correct - which they were successful in achieving; 2) Addressing social issues - which they also accomplished; 3) Having original characters that conveyed a sense of growth - a point that was not as successful (and I'll come back to this later due to word count); and 4) Action - which they did more in the STNG movies.
cqtaylor 1 month ago
@evercharmer Okay let's go to point 3). The ST writers seemed a little myopic in writing specific characters and writing different alien cultures. For all of Data's declarations of wanting to be human, it was rare when we saw him examining the meanings of love (1 or 2 episode), hate (with Lore, maybe), and loss (any episode of Tasha) - and this is after like 7 or 8 years of that series. Geordie's character's bio could fit on a postage stamp: engineer, holo-deck girlfriend fetish, blind. TBC
cqtaylor 1 month ago
@ThirdRAILKink It was still a pretty good movie though. Just try to ignore the carcass of true Star Trek on the ground, and enjoy it. :D
therealonethistime 2 months ago
@ThirdRAILKink Jean-Luc... Sometimes I think the only reason I come here is to listen to these wonderful speeches of yours.
Yottskry 1 month ago
@ThirdRAILKink well it is star trek the action movie, not the series' , not the classic movies or even the truely shitty tng movies. beside this movie has reignited everyones intrest, as well as piquing my interest into star trek in general. btw DS9 and capt Sisko FTW
Hadowsay019 1 month ago
@Hadowsay019
To be honest, my comment criticizing the movie was a bit harsh. I recently re-watched the new film and liked it very much. I think many of the criticisms often leveled against it are valid, but I also think the movie isn't SO much dumber or shallower than many of the previous film entries. Most of Star Trek's best complexity and intelligence were contained in the various series, not the movies. I also think the new film is mostly true to the spirit of the characters.
ThirdRAILKink 1 month ago
@ThirdRAILKink
* "was," not "were."
ThirdRAILKink 1 month ago
@Hadowsay019
(Con't.) It's got problems, for sure, but it's a pretty good movie even if it's not the perfect Star Trek movie. Also, Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer approve of it; I approve very heartily of Leonard Nimoy and Nick Meyer. If those two (and more besides) say it's Trek, who the hell am I or anyone else to say it's not?
ThirdRAILKink 1 month ago
@ThirdRAILKink While I do agree with what you've said in the top comments, I also have to agree that many people have been treating the new fans like shit. Why? It's much more in the spirit of Trek to welcome them; like Data in the clip they don't even understand why you can't like a pretty good action flick around here. Much better would be showing them the stuff of old, yes? Opening a dialogue on why the new movie seems shallow to us (in a way what your comment does).
evercharmer 1 month ago
@ThirdRAILKink Yeah it's not like Star Trek hadn't already been ruined by three terrible TNG movies and two terrible Trek series (Enterprise and Voyager), So let's just blame JJ when Trek was already in the shitter shall we?
garamonde 3 weeks ago
@garamonde
If you'd read through the comments you'd see I left a later comment pretty much agreeing with you.
ThirdRAILKink 3 weeks ago
@ThirdRAILKink Then I owe you an apology.
garamonde 3 weeks ago
@garamonde Yeah so lets take a bigger dump on a big pile of shit. Just to make it smell just that much worse.
Lone432345 2 weeks ago
@Lone432345 You know, Paramount probably said "After the failure that is Nemesis, we're not financing another Trek unless you can deliver an exciting, fast-paced film JJ." And so he delivered. What's wrong with that? First Contact was a pretty dumb action movie, so why are you so angry?
Still think Trek '09 sucks huh? Well, it's also the ONLY Trek to be in the IMDB's top 250, and I know that doesn't mean a lot, but it didn't get there by being a piece of shit.
garamonde 2 weeks ago
@ThirdRAILKink Very well said. It was a traversty.
Catandthespoon 1 week ago
Why is everyone bashin the new star trek i thought it was the revamp the series needed
CIeave 3 months ago
This is fucking funny!
cmyanmar13 4 months ago
Haha! I'd never have equated the acid throw with a phaser hit. :oD
VulpesFidelis 4 months ago
0:18 Data's reaction LOL.
Actually that was my reaction to the movie too. Besides the fact that according to this, everything GR saw created was an alternate reality.
DarthRushy 6 months ago
Even in the face of the Shit Movie of the year, Data's sexiness prevails... Win!
vyvyansmine 6 months ago 3
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OneVoiceMore 6 months ago
Ah, I love Data.
mashedpotatohead00 7 months ago 8
LOL!!!!!!!! the only thing is having to sit through that stupid trailer with the dark night music being ripped off . This was hillarious.
Danielboulder1 7 months ago
lolol when picard puts his head in his hands.... epic
krillin2022 7 months ago
This is hilarious
dillkidisback 7 months ago
I expected ST 11 to be an actual prequel to TOSeries, and instead we got some half baked shit alternate universe, that makes me wanna puke, not to mention ship design and idiotic pathetic plot. I actually loved acting and cast... just... too bad alltogether.
sadailinikada86 7 months ago
this should have been the official star trek 11 trailer!
With permission of course.
nerfwarrior6349 7 months ago
1:33 - 2:18 What an epic "don't ask don't tell" moment
:)
RomaniaTricolor 7 months ago
This video, with just a few day's editing, proved infinitely more enjoyable to me than the highly produced Trek XI.
HappyEntertainer 7 months ago 3
i dont understand what everyone has got against the new star trek movie? I am an avid trekkie and have been since i was 5 years old. Star trek has been one of my fav loves for the best 16 years and i thought abrahams did i good job with it!. It had great action, humour and it took the franchise in a new direction and has given it fresh life again. I'm now speaking to people about star trek who earlier in my life mocked me about it because they saw the new film and thought it was great.
aceshigh696 7 months ago
For my comment, please watch: 2:11
WebVMan 7 months ago
be safe- Wear a KAHNdom!
mmmmmarcus 8 months ago
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2:10 Double Facepalm: When a single hand just does not cut it.
st8pl8guy 8 months ago
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st8pl8guy 8 months ago
what epesode was used for this?
Revan498 8 months ago
Chances are if you're 30+ you probably didn't care for this version.
If you're under 30 you might think it was okay.
'All a matter or perspective, though I tend to agree with GenralGrin.
cmckenn 8 months ago
@cmckenn I was 25 when I saw this film and I thought it was an abomonation! This is star treks version of the phantom menace!
AWMJoeyjoejoe 8 months ago
I really enjoyed Data in this, especially the beginning where he looked concerned and confused, very funny.
CelticVictory 9 months ago 2
I much prefer the new Pike to the new Kirk.
Which is a shame, because the new Pike is nothing compared to the old Kirk.
ThePolysyllabist 9 months ago
Data doesn't exist anymore, and neither does the next generation.
walmartpimp2 9 months ago
Only good thing about ST XI was Jennifer Morrison!
Martok86 10 months ago 2
and the odd number curse continues.
Felhaven 10 months ago
My problem with Star Trek XI:
1. destruction of Vulcan: cheap plot
2. beer factory as engine room: cheesy
3. long range teleport: deus ex machina
4. bridge flares: stupid
arna11420 10 months ago 55
@arna11420 Don't forget the destruction of Romulus as well. What's he got against Vulcanoids anyway?
ladythalia 9 months ago
@ladythalia I guess in ST XII they'll destroy Qonos and Andor.
arna11420 9 months ago 16
@arna11420 I bet you are right. And 5 minutes later they discover the planets Coruscant and Tatooine, to JJ Abrams' great delight.-(
ladythalia 9 months ago
@arna11420 Couldn't care less for Andor but Qonos... Would love see them trying... And failing at it :D
holodock 5 months ago
@holodock Would trekkies dressed as Klingons and armed with bat'leths chase Abrams across LA with to stop him?
arna11420 5 months ago
@arna11420 I hope so! That place (or peoples), have had it comin' for a LONG FUCKING time!!! BAM! Now let us give thanks to JJ for giving the best goddamn star trek EVER! And as for you trek nerds, you can go and sodomize yer moms with a wooden spoon! :D
SuperSatan801209 5 months ago
@SuperSatan801209 Go watch Transformers and leave adults to talk.
arna11420 5 months ago
@arna11420 Pffff! Transformers?! That shit is for fagots and sailors! Sir. Why don't you go watch Pearl Harbor, and have yer balls blown away be the shear awesomeness of how powerfully horribly it is, and yourself for not recognize how gayyy you are :D BOOOOM!!! YOU got served bitch!!!
SuperSatan801209 5 months ago
@SuperSatan801209
You're a ridiculous ass.
ThirdRAILKink 3 months ago
@arna11420 In ST XI spock gets all the bitches.... epic.
anorganoidnamednova 4 months ago
@arna11420 I agree with you, but only one: distruction of vulcan..
danutzzz2064 8 months ago
@arna11420
5. exaust form warp drive nacelles - rapes canon brutally....
AnteyPL 8 months ago
@arna11420 can you PLEASE explain "deus ex machina" to me? I looked it up on Google Translate and it's supposed to mean "ghost in the machine," but I can't track down the reference and it's driving me nuts now lol.
Edocsil6437 7 months ago 2
@Edocsil6437 A deus ex machina (Latin: "god out of the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.
Even the Ancient Greeks criticized it. Aristotle argued that the resolution of a plot must arise internally, following from previous action of the play. And Aristotle lived 2300 years ago...
arna11420 7 months ago 2
@arna11420 Ahh... I get it now! thnx =)
Edocsil6437 7 months ago
@arna11420 Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source of information.
Antipopularization 6 months ago
@Antipopularization Not worse then other.
arna11420 6 months ago
@arna11420 It's the online encyclopaedia that can be edited by anyone. That's like creating a lock then handing out keys to everybody.
Antipopularization 6 months ago
@Antipopularization I've known what Deus ex machina is before Wikipedia. I went there for a concise definition. I would have noticed if there was a mistake.
The studies have shown Wikipedia has the same level of mistake as the encyclopedias. It's written by anyone, but is reviewed by a large number of people. Books are regularly reviewed only by the editor.
arna11420 6 months ago 2
@Antipopularization There's nothing wrong Wikipedias definition of Deus Ex Machina.
DrMadolite 5 months ago
@arna11420 TRANSPORT not teleport this isn't world of warcraft you moron
XFSXsnip3rX 6 months ago
@XFSXsnip3rX teleport, transporter, who the fuck cares...
arna11420 6 months ago
@XFSXsnip3rX Actually, they DO teleport (if you wanna be techincal about it) because that's what it's called when you're converted to energy and moved to another spot and rematerialized. Has nothing to do with World of Warcraft.
DrMadolite 5 months ago
@arna11420
Only that?.
In Star Trek XI Scotty laugh for the possible death of the dog of Archer.
In Star Trek XI Spock take the neck of Kirk with a smile.
In Star Trek XI the vulcans childs give moobing to other students (Young Spock).
In Star Trek XI Kirk try that Nero save his life but Spock replies: NO.
STAR TREK XI SUCKS
Estassisonlasnoticia 5 months ago 2
@arna11420 if you know your star trek TNG, you'll know that long range transporters were used.
aquateenhngrfrce 4 months ago
@arna11420 I hated the use of a beer factory as an engine room, It looked way out of place.. And how convenient was it that kirk was happened to be abandoned on the same planet as older spock?
kd84afc 3 months ago
@kd84afc not only on the same planet but in the exact same spot on the planet
GeneralGrin 3 months ago
the latest film was decent, for a general movie. Basically it was a general action movie that happened to take place in the Trek verse. My friend who is not a trekkie, loved it, I on the other hand was quite disappointed. I mean we will see what will happen in the next movie, but I have to say it really lacked the soul of good star trek. Even the most panned and corny Star trek episodes and movies still had that soul
kuryamtl 10 months ago
i love that "WTF" look on his face in the beginning
Fathergryndl 11 months ago
The latest Star Trek film was shit... I hope it is destroyed and erased from everyone's memories and then The Next Gen cast do an awesome film.
tallicalad 11 months ago
@tallicalad TNG is dead, Nemesis was a flop IT'S NEVER GETTING A SEQUEL
Hartzilla2007 7 months ago
@Hartzilla2007 LOL
tallicalad 7 months ago
why is data in picard's ready roomwatching it thats my only complaint
bigdog011995 11 months ago
@bigdog011995 more the reason for picard to get pissed, lol it adds to the fury..
ODOMAN123 11 months ago
Picard: Nooo!!!!
haha
MonFeRay 11 months ago
Wow, you did a really good job with this!
thedavecorp 1 year ago
which episodes are these clips from? I don't remember them at all
AbuBishir 1 year ago
I enjoy these and I enjoyed the new movie. It's not my favorite Star Trek movie ever, but it really did do a good job at bringing more fans to Star Trek... not something that I or other people who worried about the reboot actually expected.
But yes, it was enjoyable.
AgentSmithClan 1 year ago
What episode did the Data scences come from?
BADALASS 1 year ago
That was some fabulous editing.
CrimsonMystery 1 year ago
I didnt like star trek till I watch the new movie :/
Now I cant get enough of it :)
NonstopRam 1 year ago
I don't have much of a problem with Star Trek Xl, so long as it's non-canon
DrBananaKing7000 1 year ago
The new StarTrek is in another timeframe and Data's loving it!
SR71ABCD 1 year ago
LOL!!!
VWVVWVVWV 1 year ago
Star trek 2009 is just another action movie. Worth watching, they had good effects I think. But not really good in any other way.
faquarl08 1 year ago 3
for once I agree with Picard :)
JJ-shitty-Abrams killed Star trek
msinvincible2000 1 year ago
I love how Picard just Snaps
Kingrex16 1 year ago 2
Huh. This applies to me perfectly, me being Data and Picard being 4 out of 5 Trek fans I meet just in regular life.
GasSnake2003 1 year ago
A bit rude, as in shooting him in the chest with a phaser?
ThePieIsLie 1 year ago
Awesome! We laughed our asses off!
vincentKIBILDIS 1 year ago
"NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
jonesphillip25 1 year ago
This is hilarious! XD
DazzieMetallikat 1 year ago
Data probably thinks, like I do, that star trek movies SUCK.
FrukSkoFcsae 1 year ago
Haha. Data's got the right idea.
KaboomKrusader2 1 year ago
I thought the show was cool <=\
Austindude3954 1 year ago
ST XI was good,but it wasn't that great,i mean i liked it but,it was only good for efects and updating,realy JJ is a noob of star trek,he made the whole movie going in one giant fuckin circle!
And502 1 year ago
cool vid i wonder what picard is like in this new timeline
luigi19987 1 year ago
Ok i enjoyed this movie very much and dont see where they messed up. People are like well they changed it no they didnt change it there just showing us something that happened in a alternate universe so in reality the star trek we know still exist just like the episode on TNG with worf jumping between them there still there so nothing is gone because of this movie its just showing a diffrent outcome
drdoom1st 1 year ago
The movie was a lot like receiving empty Christmas presents.
A lot of pompous and glimmering packaging, but shockingly no content.
Star Trek used to have ideas and was a source of inspiration to many. This has none, and the action itself is uninspired. :s
The only seemingly good thing was the makeup on the Vulcans, and the new Spcok seemed to fit in his role. The rest was just terrible thoughtless and dumb. It might as well have been another Star Wars movie instead.
Ulrna 1 year ago 3
It looks fun to watch as a stand alone.
wenaolong 1 year ago
THE DOUBLE FACE-PALM!!!! 02:04 onwards!
rkmugen 1 year ago
I guess any movie that doesn't kill Data is fine by him. XD
abridgedfanboy 1 year ago
@abridgedfanboy Except anything with singing high schoolers, of course. I mean, we have to give the guy SOME credit. He's at least somewhat human.
MaidenMarian 1 year ago
1:35-1:50 "You were a bit rude to me" XD lol
ContigeseRevolution1 1 year ago
I'm with you Jean Luc.
jayce79 1 year ago
It's illogic captain, a super intelligent android like Data can't love a piece of shit like Star trek 2009 ^_^
SuperPostman 1 year ago
OMG, Picard is really in a bad! mood ervery time he sees or hears something about Star Trek XI. lol
JAGTHEGEMINI 1 year ago
Meh. Star Trek 2009 wasn't really Star Trek. It had all the characters but it wasn't really Star Trek. They could've named it anything and it would be just fine. In fact, it probably would have been a better movie if they'd called it something else.
MrBCorp 1 year ago
Picard is right: the new Star Trek was really SHIT
msinvincible2000 1 year ago
I don't understand the hatred people have for Star Trek XI. I agree that it didn't have much or any of the Roddenberry philosophy behind it, but Pike did mention what Star Fleet really was during the bar scene. I believe that STXI was an attempt to attract new fans and I think it worked very well, future ST movies will concentrate more on what Star Trek truly stands for.
Univarman 1 year ago 11
@Univarman actually Pike confused 'starfleet' with 'federation'
which is really annoying because it sounded very stupid
GeneralGrin 1 year ago 45
@GeneralGrin In the movie he says the Federation is a peacekeeping humanitarian armada. Ok, ok star fleet is the armada that does the peacekeeping and humanitarian work for the federation but they are one of the same; don't split hairs. The fact of the matter is that they mentioned it and it will be a relevant part of future movies
Univarman 1 year ago
@GeneralGrin Actually Pike got it right.....Starfleet is part of the United Federation of Planets....like the US Navy is part of the United States of America
NevadaWrangler 1 year ago
@NevadaWrangler thank you!
Univarman 1 year ago
but starfleet does the federations bidding so it kind of makes sense.
MrHoppers002 1 year ago
@GeneralGrin Isn't the federation the organization that actually has "a" starfleet? :S
CryoStatus 1 year ago
@Univarman
A lotta folks in a lotta general forum's love the movie. So don't think it's a small little , picked on film. It just doesn't really have much cred with the hardcore Trekkors , but I guess they were'nt the target audiance for this movie.
jayce79 1 year ago
@jayce79 Your rite on the money. Star Trek was a dying franchise and hard core Trekkors couldn't keep it afloat for ever.
Univarman 1 year ago
@Univarman It's the philosophy and thorough story of Star Trek that was important, not the silly effects and the mass produced dogmatic space action computer animations scenes.
The new Movie sucked, it was a hour and a half intro, a spineless collection of fat without any muscle tissue. There was absolutely Nothing of intellectual or ideological value in that movie what so ever, it was just another Hollywood bloated carcass of a flop movie, I hope they think before the next one.
Ulrna 1 year ago 3
@Univarman
You're too fucking retarded to comprehend how bad that film is.
It's shit as a action film and complete garbage as a Star Trek film.
pvtjamesryan3 1 year ago
@pvtjamesryan3 I think you guys need to take a long, deep breath and realize that it's just a movie. Too imply someone is "fucking retarded" over something as trivial as a piece of entertainment is immature and just plain rude.
Univarman 1 year ago
@Univarman
If you wanted to suck my dick, all you have to do is ask.
Does that meet your standards? Fucking fagot!!!
pvtjamesryan3 1 year ago
@pvtjamesryan3 it meets my standards of what kind of garbage I expect from people like you
Univarman 1 year ago
@Univarman Well, everything I have seen has been that most people...fans, and non-fans, alike, actually really liked it. None-the-less I can see why some don't. Its not for lack of quality...Most agree it was a good film. Rather it was how it completely re-invents the Star Trek universe. By going back in time and altering history in a HUGE way, it pretty much invalidated and altered the entire Star Trek Universe as it was known.basically causing all the series/movies/fiction to be null & void.
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
@frankensteinmoneymac The thing is, this newly-created "timeline" is very clearly labeled as a separate, branching, "alternate reality." Those are rare within Star Trek, but they do exist. Like the Mirror Universe, and the multiple different realities seen in TNG episodes like "Parallels" and "All Good Things"
But many "hardcore" Trekkies ignore this and cover their ears going "lalalala, can't hear you," because they just don't like that this new take appeals to a wider audience than just them.
KaboomKrusader2 1 year ago
@frankensteinmoneymac The writers of the new movie, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, even specifically noted that the new, altered "alternate reality" runs alongside the main one, specifically mentioning Data's theory about alternate universes in "Parallels" in an interview. Look it up on Trek Movie . com.
So the idea that this new movie "erases" prior Trek is complete malarkey, and those purporting it are deluding themselves. The writers did their homework, and are not so incompetent.
KaboomKrusader2 1 year ago
@KaboomKrusader2 Well I'm glad to hear that they took all of that into consideration. None the Less I'm not sure its all that obvious to the fans. I had realized that it was POSSIBLE in ST for alt. Universes that exist independantly (such as in the Mirror U) But seeing as how this is not the norm, I feel some piece of fiction (a Novel?) should be made 2 verify the existance of Both Universes. I doubt many fans have read the (interveiw ?) where Orci and Kurtzman verified the old U. existed still.
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
@frankensteinmoneymac Well, any fan who really cares about whether or not the two timelines co-exist would probably also care enough to look it up and find things like the interview. Anyone who doesn't care, well... doesn't care. XD
And works of fiction tying them together has been made; there's several comic series. At the very least, the last issue of "Countdown" has the Enterprise-E still in existence for the last few pages after the Narada and Jellyfish got sucked into the black hole.
KaboomKrusader2 1 year ago
@KaboomKrusader2 I have to disagree a bit. I cared about the fate of the 2 Universes, & I actually DID look on the Internet for info, but I never came accross the article you mention. Im not sure that the example of the ship existing in the other Reality for a few C.Book pages = proof of both U's existing, either. I seem to Remember a Time Travel incident in ENTERPRISE where Archer is told a change in the T.Line from the past hadnt yet reached them. meaning TL changes are not always instant.
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
@frankensteinmoneymac you seem to love the core timeline. have you ever/ do you play Star Trek Online?
A88mph 1 year ago
@A88mph No, I dont. I've made a very conscious decision to avoid most Gaming Trends. I would end up spending too much time on em, Damn, as a kid I could easily spend 7 hrs a day playing an 8-bit machine! Thank God i dont live in an era of Holodeck's!! I'd never leave the damn things! Seriously though, I have seen "ST Online' advertised & am curious. Is there an $ monthly fee? If so, do you think its worth it? The game'd have to B pretty awsome 2 make me break my own 'No Play' Rules! LOL!
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
@Univarman agreed
ClingingMars 1 year ago
@Univarman Because it done by a guy who does know Trek at heart.
Snapscape 1 year ago
@Univarman That is wishfull thinking. I bet 50 bugs that it will not happen.
baronsengir187 1 year ago
@Univarman Yea, but a two-line description is nothing compared to seeing that philosophy in action time and time again in TOS and TNG. DS9 and VGR were where the message and philosophy started to get muddled and lost with the warmongering and threatening to use the deadliest force every other episode.
Dargonhuman 1 year ago
@Univarman
Star Trek XI was a big fuck you to the Star Trek fans.
S0medude81 1 year ago