I think we were one of the last groups in TX to have an actual sex ed class. This was in 7th grade (2001) and I don't remember all this abstance bs being pushed on us. I'm sure we were told about it, but we actually talked about the anatomy and physiology of sex. The one thing I wish they talked about more was contraceptives, but we at least were told there were condoms and birth control to prevent pregnancies and STD's. I shudder to think the kind of education I would get now.
hmmm, very often the missionarys love to cream the data. they for instace say that "christianity is growing in china" when i go check the prossents they have not changed much, if anything they are negative of what they said. the number of belivers has encreased bechose the population has. one apologetic clamed christianity was majority religion in japan witch i culd debunk bechose i have looked the numbers up and christianity has never been majority religion in japan.
Recently had a Christian who told me that Theists were more moral and better educated than Atheists. I had a great time quoting from the peer-reviewed academic studies on how in fact the complete opposite is true.
And guess what the response was to this ultimate rollage?
You guessed it: "those studies are all fake". Yep, just another atheist conspiracy to make the theists look bad apparantly, lol.
even though i dont agree with christianity or religion in general really, you have to admit, with a fair few people, it can really help them and encourage them to change their lives, is that such a bad thing, even if they do believe in a lie?
@Deathwalking Well, first of all, why is promoting a lie a good thing? Wouldn't it be better to promote the truth? But even if that were all that religion did, there'd be little to criticize. Unfortunately, that's not what happens- religion promotes xenophobia, discrimination, sexism, anti-science, elitism, ect. Look at the Catholic sex scandal- it's not like child rape doesn't happen elsewhere, but the church's structure kept it covered up and made the problem much worse.
@Macrochenia yea dude i totally understand that, im a hardline athiest, i went to a catholic school and know there bullshit, but if it helps people get through problems who are we to judge it? some people are too weak to handle the truth and so they turn to religion to comfort them
@Deathwalking Yeah, but why? I may be an atheist, but it's not necessarily because I *want* it to be that way. Honestly, it'd probably be better if there was some sort of caring entity looking out for us. But part of being an adult is facing unpleasantness and realizing that wishful thinking is not a sufficient reason for things. And when they're willing to pass on one facet of truth because it's unpleasant, well, it seems to lead to them passing on other unpleasant stuff too.
@Macrochenia Yea but obviously some people can't handle certain things, i mean can you imagine how shattered someones perception of the world would be if they came to the relization that everything they believed in wasn't true? it would seriously fuck them up, live and let live i say, and hopefully in time people will stop believing in retarded things, it certainly seems to be trending that way
@Deathwalking Why? Are people such fragile flowers that they can't handle the truth? Most atheists are former theists, they seem quite able to handle the idea that there's no proof for a god. Your argument is really on the level of saying that we shouldn't tell children that there's no Santa or Tooth Fairy, because they wouldn't be able to handle it. Would you use that reason to not tell someone that they have AIDS? Or that their parents are dead? Where do you draw the line?
@Macrochenia Some people are weak fragile flowers, thats why they've turned to religion in the first place. and anyway if someone is set in a mindset like a religious fundamentalist there is a very small chance of them recanting their beliefs. Yea but see what you have brought in now is a physical thing to work around, with AIDs there are treatments, you can talk to doctors who can explain things, whereas God can't, because well he doesn't speak to people
How is it when a Christian works to achieve a positive effect on the world, atheists find a way to make it seem irrelevant? This makes no sense...what are atheists doing other than reaching out to other atheists and searching for an answer through science? Not too much good when you don't achieve a definite effect on life. Please reply..
@monopolydevil It's not that Christians don't achieve a positive effect on the world, but they can't show how being Christian was a necessary quality to achieve that effect. How does believing that a guy was nailed to a cross 2000 years ago make a difference when you're talking about disaster relief?
Well it doesn't make a difference whether they do it as Christians or not. However, it seems that people who don't believe don't have the same motivation to help as Christians does. There are a lot of Christian volunteer workers down Haiti...what about those atheists? As far as being a Christian, we don't have to show and/or prove anything because we believe.
@monopolydevil In other words, you're going to pretend that being christian makes you a better person and ignore any evidence that might contradict you, because there were plenty of atheists who went to Haiti or else donated to relief, just as there are atheists all over the country doing things on a local level. You probably wouldn't even recognize them, since they don't go around trumpeting how atheist they are when they're helping out.
@monopolydevil There are all kinds of secular charities and atheist charity workers or donators or whatever. Where is your proof that atheists don't care as much. I know plenty of atheists with huge hearts and lots of atheist doctors and nurses etc. Christians think they're helping but often preach their religious beliefs while doing it. Or they go to aids riddled places and promote anti-condom BS and consider that "helping"
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Haha these guys said it themselves, they can't prove God, or disprove it, so why are they wasting their time making these dumb videos? They've turned atheisms into a region, the way they meet and all. I can disprove santa clause, but there are still 100,000s of thousands of kids who still believe he exists, I don't create videos and take live callers debating him, these guys are wasting there time. Thumbs up if you believe in creation all the way.
@CrazyTimTV but Atheism *is* a religion. What is the problem with that? Religion means cult. Cult means culture, cultivating ideas. Atheism stands for a world view in which you don't believe in imaginary creatures. Something very worthy of a TV show, if you ask me.
Yeah we promote religion DEAL WITH IT, and if you keep pushing our buttons there will be retaliation, however I love how you dedicate your miserable lives to religion with your batshit philosophy...if there was no religion wtf would you shitheads be doing?
too bad I don't live out in that shithole town of texas, I might buy you some supplies to get rid of those patches of hair around your chin...
Atheist experience is nothing more than an obsession with religion....
what a ridiculous comment..u can't even comprehend the point they are making in the video. they are against the religious distorting data to promote religion
my computer crashed recently and I lost my bookmarks, there was a really good site debunking creationist arguments and I cant remember what it was, can anyone help me please.
Wow. A preacher going to prison to preach, the overwhelming majority are Christians, the rest are Muslims(most likely Nation of Islam) adherents with very few atheists(including some Buddhists, Hindus, and other Eastern religious adherents). Can Christians ever be honest?
Today in my class ( I am a student) we had a task where we were supposed to write down 11 things important in our life we got to choose from money,family,being popular,exciting life etc and religion. Every single one chose religion as last. I love Sweden
33 years ago I worked with a some great people. We thought that if we arranged employment for a prisoner before he got out (real jobs not minimum wage shit) we might actually help that person stay out of jail. How radical! I was really pissed off to hear of Colsen's claim. I know god damn well that his organization doesn't do follow up better than we did. Given his deserved reputation as a liar why believe that fat asshole? Getting inmates jobs prevents recidivism more than anything.
The belief that in the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing. Then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating a magical being. Then this pile-o-magic, magically created everything from nothing for its amusement, to create a habitat for its pets that it would setup for failure in the plans that this would make them love it more, once it "saved" them from themselves.
Here's a thought, how can a perfect being beget imperfection?
@shiveryshiva abstinence-only educational programs focus on abstaining from sex and exclude education regrading contraceptives and safe sex. abstinence-only educational programs don't work because they don't educate students about safe sex practices which results in kids getting in trouble. there is a lack of education - the children don't get the chance to ignore the material - there is nothing taught other than 'don't do it till you are married'. A properly administered program should teach...
(cont) about sexual health, contraceptives, abstinence and anything else that can possibly help students. As I have said before -abstinence is a great and safe path, but abstinence-only educational programs are crap. do you understand the difference between the two?
The abstinence only programs only reported those who remained abstinent - anybody who didn't wasn't reported. They used a subset of the overall set just as the prison group did. They lied in order to protect their program. Creamed.
@1n354a That is correct. In medical statistics there is a concept called "Intent to treat, " which means that even if someone drops out of a drug test, you still count them in the statistics for determining efficacy. Otherwise, data gets biased. The same thing applies, here, as you are saying. They have to include everyone who started in the program and not just those who completed it to get an accurate picture of how well it works.
@shiveryshiva you are moving the goal here. I am not arguing whether or not the boy has a rubber or the girl is thinking rationally....I am merely pointing out that by educating people you give them the best chance to succeed and live happy lives. Because if you don't teach the girl about contraception, she won't know enough to ask the boy why he isn't wearing protection.
@shiveryshiva yes you are right - abstinence is 100% safe. however abstinence-only education is nowheres near 100% effective, which is what they claim after creaming the numbers. just as the prison system creamed their numbers by only including a subset of the original set, so do the abstinence-only programs. I am not slamming abstinence as being a really good way of avoiding std or pregnancy, rather that abstinence-only programs don't work and the promoters of said programs cream the stats.
@wordreet I know - telling a sexually charged creature to not have sex is the best way to create a freaking monster, but on paper, not having sex removes all chance of getting a sexually transmitted disease. I'm not saying that it is realistic or effective in the real world...at least not without some serious side effects.
You are not getting this...I'll try one more time. The reason they brought up the abstinence programs and their creaming of stats was in relation to the prison system's creaming of stats. They were not targeting a religiously-backed program or the idea of abstinence, rather the dishonest behavior of the people who backed and promoted these programs (which amusingly enough were all religious - lol, go figure!).
Nobody would argue that abstinence is not the best method to stop unwanted...
(cont) pregnancy or the spread of STD. Abstinence beats condoms and birth control and even vasectomy's hands down, but that is not what is being discussed and that is not the point they are trying to make.
If there existed an abstinence message that was able to convince 90% of the students to not have sex and it stuck, then that program would be considered a success. Teaching abstinence-only and avoiding all other material is like teaching abstinence-only in driver's ed and then wondering...
(cont) why so many teens were dying on the roads. It just does not work and the numbers show this.
The only alternative is to teach the children about their sexuality - to include the obvious conclusion that abstinence is a good idea until you know what you are dealing with, but not to put abstinence on a freakin' pedastool. It is not the gold standards because just about every one of those children will be a fully functioning sexual being in a very few years, driven by hormones and chemicals
(cont) beyond their imaginationl. Denying them information about this helps nobody.
as for your 'in the heat of the moment' example - if the girl had been educated properly she would be able to make the decision that despite the boy's desires, she will not be accept his fireman without it's raincap on. so even without being used properly or at all, education about condoms and birth control works!
again -nobody denies that abstinence works - just that abstinence-only education does not.
@shiveryshiva you know what - whether you teach about sex or you teach abstinence, that little boy is going to pull down that girl's panties in the back of the car. with the knowledge of birth control (be it condoms or the pill or both) there is a better chance that pregnancy will not be the result and both will remain healthy. armed with the power of abstinence-only, she will get pregnant and they will both have herpes.
Religious people seem pretty good at creaming the data. such as "Prayers work because I got better",, but what about the 100 other people who prayed but didnt get better ?? " oh, they didnt pray hard enough,, or,, god has a plan for them""
As well as.. "god loves everyone".. what about the thousands god killed in the old testement?? "oh, thats taken out or context,, or, thats just an analogy,, or,, god changed in the new testement""
creaming your data, or playing the get out of gaol card
Religious people seem pretty good at creaming the data. such as "Prayers work because I got better",, but what about the 100 other people who prayed but didnt get better ?? " oh, they didnt pray hard enough,, or,, god has a plan for them""
As well as.. "god loves everyone".. what about the thousands god killed in the old testement?? "oh, thats taken out or context,, or, thats just an analogy,, or,, god changed in the new testement""
creaming your data, or playing the get out of gaol card
That is NOT the meaning of creaming. Atleast not according to the films I have watched so far on this here internet. Also when does Jen take her close off?? I mean I am like three minuttes in all ready. Bring it on God damn it...
again, I don't think that they were attempting to underplay the benefits of remaining abstinent, but showing that the abstinence only program promoters are dishonest and that the program is not very successful at all.
Again, I agree that the best way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is to not have sex, but ultimately these kids are going to have sex and if they are armed with absolute ignorance they are going to get in serious trouble. Ensuring that each and every child is armed with the best...
I am amazed by how much this idea of "creaming the data" reminds me of the Texas education system. In Houston where i grew up for example many of the urban and suburban school districts instituted "aternative schools" that ran parralell to the regular schools and fast tracked "problem students" to GEDs or work programs to hide the school districts dropout rates.
Where will you go to when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain, or looked at someone with lust? If yes, then you are a lying, theiving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. When you die & stand before God you'll be guilty of breaking His law. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! So God sent God His Son Jesus to die for your sins, & He rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins & was resurrected) you'll be saved!
@gramosjr7 If you are a bad person who has never done anything for your fellow man you will go to hell according to the holy book you claim to want to live up to regardless of whether you "believe in the gospel". I'm not sure why many christians ignore portions of the bible that stress the importance of works in favor of the damnation their holy text promises if they try to get into heaven on grace alone. Though it does explain why so many evangelical christians are such loathsome creatures.
When the abstinence only program was taught to a control group of 1st graders, 0% of them became pregnant by the 2nd grade! Proof that the program works and that God is real!!1!!
@shiveryshiva I think you are missing the point -they are not talking about the act of abstinence, rather the abstinence-only program. the act of abstinence does reduce pregnancy and stds and such by 100%, but the abstinence-only program does not. what is being pointed out is that supporters of the abstinence-only program present faulty data (like the prison ministry) that shows that their program is super-duper successful, when in fact it is not. does this clear things up for you?
@jvforever72 Whether or not you have a sex drive isn't a choice, and it must be directed at something. Are you going with Freud's polymorphous perversity, or are you saying that life persists on Earth only because things choose to breed?
You know, homosexuality always seems to be topic in these videos, and I just want to say that none of you seem to have any idea what you are talking about.
1. Homosexuality isn't a choice.
2. No one knows what causes homosexuality.
3. 10% of the population of the world is homosexual. Contrary to what many believe. It isn't a small amount of people you are talking about here.
@angrynutrients facts like that don't matter! freedom is freedom and rights are rights.. we cant remove the rights of one group to favor another, or else we might as well throw away democracy and the constitution, plain and fucking simple
@deafencryption I'm for Homosexual rights. I'm not against them. I'm trying to tell people that they aren't some minor group that you can just shut down.
@angrynutrients yeah i know what you meant i was agreeing with you, but advising that we don't squabble over these petty useless arguments like whether its a choice or not.. even if it was a choice it would not change the fact that they DESERVE the same rights as heterosexual people
Abstinence only is different than abstinence based. I think abstinence based methods are preferable to a "well, we know you are going to do it anyway" mentality. Also, don't these people realize that comprehensive sex ed might be useful eventually - even if someone waits until marriage? My mother knew someone who got pregnant and didn't know how. Keeping someone ignorant does not keep them innocent; and not having information increases the risk of being taken advantage of.
The people who need sexual education are the least likely to be abstinent so realistically, yes, assuming it will happen is not only more realistic, but also more responsible on the part of the educator.
@bigpotatofive There should not be an assumption that ALL of the children are going to have sex before marriage or before becoming an adult - only a realistic notion that many of them will. One of the people involved in our sex ed in school flat out said, "we know you are going to do it" and frankly, it pissed a lot of us off. I would have rather he say, "This is important information for anyone to have, and will be essential for most of you at some point in your lives."
Who said anything about ALL children? Statistically the average teenager is more likely than not, so it is more honest and responsible to assume that it will happen and cater the education to the people that will have sex because that's where the trouble arises.
@bigpotatofive Ah! It looks like we agree, but simply didn't understand each other. I agree, that certainly there shouldn't be an assumption that the children ARE NOT going to be sexual active. :)
Aside from those issues with abstinence -- coming from an area nearly playing abstinence only thing straight, they don't teach you how to use a condom, they don't teach you anything about birth control, etc. so the people here who don't learn on their own, as it were, won't know that when they find themselves ready to break abstinence. So abstinence only education is dangerous in that way as well.
Let's not forget that "believers" represent nearly 99% of prison population, while non-believers represent anywhere from 10 to 15% of the general population. In other words, non-believers are MUCH less likely to commit crimes than believers. Now, there can be additional factors that bring these numbers into question - still, it's not going to account for the entire difference in the numbers.
I think we can equate this logic to the war on drugs. Millions of people arrested and spending lengthy streches in prison, end result is a higher quantity of less pure drugs on the street. You cannot stop people doing what is A enjoyable and B completely normal.
@Unlocktube Although to be fair, sex and procreation are completely "normal" and necessary for our race to survive where as drug use is completely useless and not actually needed by anyone other than people who already do drugs and start having less self-control when it comes to using drugs.
I don't think anyone who's never heard of pot ever wakes up and thinks, "hmm, I sure could use weed right about now", where as if you've never heard of sex, you'll still crave it eventually.
You are right to a point, drugs are not completely useless. I would argue that some people, who lack the ability otherwise, can gain great insights from certain drugs. A different perpective can change your entire life, in both positive and negative ways.
@Unlocktube Well just to clarify, I meant recreational drugs, not those used for medical purposes. Also, I hope you don't bring up the artist argument since that's been debunked many times and I also happen to be an artist. You can think of drugs like you would of alcohol...it can help people forget, get over bad things, etc. but none of that is truly needed or very positive.
I wonder have you ever tried LSD. You might have a different opinion afterwards. It's not the drugs themselves that can have a positive effect, but the frame of mind that would be otherwise difficult to attain.
I don't want everyone out there taking drugs, I just think it should be a choice. With the help of some drugs, and I am not talking about addictive drugs, you can lose your ego and gain a new way of looking at the world around you.
There is a way to slightly mimick LSD, it's tricky and not as good, but you can. Stay awake for about 72hrs+ (3 days) and you start to hallucinate. I did it once to see the effects back in high school and it's a big trip. Problem is I've never take LSD to compare it, but from what I've read it's similar to LSD on a lower scale.
And those that follow the bible to hate and discriminate homosexuals are hypocrites as they don't obey the whole law. How about stoning unruly children? How about not using different fabric in clothes? How about stoning those who work on Sabbath? Hypocrites!
@mestrini lol, i should have said that i was being sarcastic...i thought it was obvious, but then again, christians really do say stupid things like what I said and actually are serious about it.
@TheNikkonish The moment u used the word sin, u lost any validity to ur argument. I would call u retarded but that would be an insult to those who really are mentally challenged. Ur worse. U choose to be stupid. According to ur dumb logic, anybody whos condition is genetic is a sinner cause like it or not, it's pretty much proven that ur born with ur sexual preferance. But hey, keep at ur ignorant religion BS. If it wasn't for pple like u, i would of never woken up from irrationality.
It's not wrong to say that someone who fails at being abstinate is not abstinate. If someone has sex they should not be counted in the abstinate population.
@FluffyFeralMarmot But the abstinence-groups are saying they have a 100% success-rate, but that's not true. but what they do not do, is count in the people who vent through the program but did not make it. the success-rate of abstinence is of cause 100%, but the success-rate of then program itself is far from 100%
@FluffyFeralMarmot abstinence itself is not wut was questioned, rather the TEACHING of abstinence as a method of anti-teen pregnancy etc. THAT definately does not have a 100% success rate.
My new tissue paper bulletproof vest also has 100% success rate - because if it won't stop a bullet, it's not bulletproof and don't count into success statistics. :)
No, no, no... Our patented tissue paper bulletproof vests are 100% reliable in stopping bullets and we can show that with out statistics - every single of our vests that do stop bullets is bulletproof.
@AtheistdotEDU "gay is a genetic determination". Only partially. With any behavioural or social trait, the environment in which the child develops, all the way from the fetal stage through early childhood to teenage, also has an impact. It's not possible to say how many "percent" of homosexuality is genetic, how much environmental/social etc, but if it were, it would vary between individuals. Some would be gay no matter what the environment is, others could be gay or hetero.
@cruz1ale WIth many issues this is the case but I don't know of any studies at all showing environment being a factor in being heterosexual or homosexual.
@Subher0 i believe that environment can only speed or slow towards the inevitable realization or acceptance of the sexuality uve had all along, not define it. There are stories of pple being raised opposite of their nature, but the ending is the same. They either struggle with it their whole lives or come out.
@handom85 Yes ofcourse. Your environment can affect wether you accept your sexual orientation slowly, more rapidly or not at all. That doesn't mean your sexual orientation itself is affected by your environment. I'm not saying it's not possible, but there is nothing that indicates that that's the case.
@cruz1ale "It's not possible to say how many "percent" of homosexuality is genetic"
That is not actually true. Twin studies and adoption studies utilising monozygotic & dizygotic twins as well as normal siblings (i.e. identical DNA and environment, different DNA and same environment, different DNA and different environment) allows the measurement of the genetic component. I read one somewhere done on homosexuality that put the genetic component at apx 75%, similar to bipolar and schizophrenia.
@PCR8t8 No, you didn't read anywhere about the genetic component of homosexuality, because no one knows what causes homosexuality, the most you would have read is a theory on whether or not there was a genetic component.
Still, you can't point at a homosexual and say "that's 75% genetic" with any degree of certainty. There's always variation in things like this simply because the environment isnt the same for everyone; even if it was a reliable result that 75% is the average genetic proportion, it could be 99% in some cases and 50% in others.
Chuck Colson - Chuckleson... lol!
Md2802 3 months ago
AA
IoEstasCedonta 3 months ago
creamed data is my favorite
JoshFaille 4 months ago
creamy data
DataSe7en 5 months ago
creaming sample :D
DigitalVioIence 5 months ago
Tactics, hmmmm, I wonder who else uses tactics, oh yeah people who are LYING and KNOW IT.
aegisgfx 7 months ago
even if the method is used correctly abstinence still isnt 100%, somehow jesus's mom still got pregnant
englesledgehammer 7 months ago 3
I think we were one of the last groups in TX to have an actual sex ed class. This was in 7th grade (2001) and I don't remember all this abstance bs being pushed on us. I'm sure we were told about it, but we actually talked about the anatomy and physiology of sex. The one thing I wish they talked about more was contraceptives, but we at least were told there were condoms and birth control to prevent pregnancies and STD's. I shudder to think the kind of education I would get now.
ilackedtheheart 7 months ago
Condoms have a 100% success rate among people who don't have sex! SCORE ONE FOR TROJAN MAN!
ZeDingoBlag 8 months ago
hmmm, very often the missionarys love to cream the data. they for instace say that "christianity is growing in china" when i go check the prossents they have not changed much, if anything they are negative of what they said. the number of belivers has encreased bechose the population has. one apologetic clamed christianity was majority religion in japan witch i culd debunk bechose i have looked the numbers up and christianity has never been majority religion in japan.
gooddarkjedi 8 months ago
Were tax dollars spent on this prison ministry? Or any prison religious programs for that matter?
no2religions 9 months ago
Buy one large condom everytime you're in a store
Justen1980 9 months ago
Recently had a Christian who told me that Theists were more moral and better educated than Atheists. I had a great time quoting from the peer-reviewed academic studies on how in fact the complete opposite is true.
And guess what the response was to this ultimate rollage?
You guessed it: "those studies are all fake". Yep, just another atheist conspiracy to make the theists look bad apparantly, lol.
OrthodoxDarwinist 10 months ago 3
This topic sounds delicious.
yermomsboxx 10 months ago
This was very intriguing.
8:18 lol
Daghead 11 months ago
11 people have never had their data properly creamed.
kolonial72 1 year ago 4
I read something today (on a shirt I think). Abstinence is 99.9% effective (with a picture of Mary and baby Jesus)
airplaneking 1 year ago
I want to cream Jen's data.
reasonformirrors 1 year ago
@reasonformirrors She's a lesbo. Just so ya know.
metalhead2508 1 year ago
@metalhead2508
I prefer to phrase this situations as "I believe she was a student of Sappho while residing on the isle of Lesbos."
1MINORTHREAT1 1 year ago
@reasonformirrors err, you must be desperate.
ddbd 1 year ago
im shocked texans havent yet voted to change the name of the state
it is awfully close to TAXES
siogyumolcs 1 year ago
'Creaming your data': Proboably as dirty as you can get when talking about the idea of statistics.
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
even though i dont agree with christianity or religion in general really, you have to admit, with a fair few people, it can really help them and encourage them to change their lives, is that such a bad thing, even if they do believe in a lie?
Deathwalking 1 year ago
@Deathwalking Well, first of all, why is promoting a lie a good thing? Wouldn't it be better to promote the truth? But even if that were all that religion did, there'd be little to criticize. Unfortunately, that's not what happens- religion promotes xenophobia, discrimination, sexism, anti-science, elitism, ect. Look at the Catholic sex scandal- it's not like child rape doesn't happen elsewhere, but the church's structure kept it covered up and made the problem much worse.
Macrochenia 1 year ago
@Macrochenia yea dude i totally understand that, im a hardline athiest, i went to a catholic school and know there bullshit, but if it helps people get through problems who are we to judge it? some people are too weak to handle the truth and so they turn to religion to comfort them
Deathwalking 1 year ago
@Deathwalking Yeah, but why? I may be an atheist, but it's not necessarily because I *want* it to be that way. Honestly, it'd probably be better if there was some sort of caring entity looking out for us. But part of being an adult is facing unpleasantness and realizing that wishful thinking is not a sufficient reason for things. And when they're willing to pass on one facet of truth because it's unpleasant, well, it seems to lead to them passing on other unpleasant stuff too.
Macrochenia 1 year ago
@Macrochenia Yea but obviously some people can't handle certain things, i mean can you imagine how shattered someones perception of the world would be if they came to the relization that everything they believed in wasn't true? it would seriously fuck them up, live and let live i say, and hopefully in time people will stop believing in retarded things, it certainly seems to be trending that way
Deathwalking 1 year ago
@Deathwalking Why? Are people such fragile flowers that they can't handle the truth? Most atheists are former theists, they seem quite able to handle the idea that there's no proof for a god. Your argument is really on the level of saying that we shouldn't tell children that there's no Santa or Tooth Fairy, because they wouldn't be able to handle it. Would you use that reason to not tell someone that they have AIDS? Or that their parents are dead? Where do you draw the line?
Macrochenia 1 year ago
@Macrochenia I agree...if we can handle it, they should be able to as well
phriendlyphool 1 year ago
@Macrochenia Some people are weak fragile flowers, thats why they've turned to religion in the first place. and anyway if someone is set in a mindset like a religious fundamentalist there is a very small chance of them recanting their beliefs. Yea but see what you have brought in now is a physical thing to work around, with AIDs there are treatments, you can talk to doctors who can explain things, whereas God can't, because well he doesn't speak to people
Deathwalking 1 year ago
How is it when a Christian works to achieve a positive effect on the world, atheists find a way to make it seem irrelevant? This makes no sense...what are atheists doing other than reaching out to other atheists and searching for an answer through science? Not too much good when you don't achieve a definite effect on life. Please reply..
monopolydevil 1 year ago
@monopolydevil It's not that Christians don't achieve a positive effect on the world, but they can't show how being Christian was a necessary quality to achieve that effect. How does believing that a guy was nailed to a cross 2000 years ago make a difference when you're talking about disaster relief?
Macrochenia 1 year ago
@Macrochenia
Well it doesn't make a difference whether they do it as Christians or not. However, it seems that people who don't believe don't have the same motivation to help as Christians does. There are a lot of Christian volunteer workers down Haiti...what about those atheists? As far as being a Christian, we don't have to show and/or prove anything because we believe.
monopolydevil 1 year ago
@monopolydevil In other words, you're going to pretend that being christian makes you a better person and ignore any evidence that might contradict you, because there were plenty of atheists who went to Haiti or else donated to relief, just as there are atheists all over the country doing things on a local level. You probably wouldn't even recognize them, since they don't go around trumpeting how atheist they are when they're helping out.
Macrochenia 1 year ago 30
@monopolydevil There are all kinds of secular charities and atheist charity workers or donators or whatever. Where is your proof that atheists don't care as much. I know plenty of atheists with huge hearts and lots of atheist doctors and nurses etc. Christians think they're helping but often preach their religious beliefs while doing it. Or they go to aids riddled places and promote anti-condom BS and consider that "helping"
phriendlyphool 1 year ago
the invention prove that ..there is an inventor..
ex..a toy..must have a toy maker..
did you hear before that a toy was made by itself !!
even the pee or the poo ..there is some creature made it !!
so why it is so hard to believe that universe have an inventor..the human been..the trees every thing..
he is simply the creator did
omarico123 1 year ago
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the invention prove that ..there is an inventor..
ex..a toy..must have a toy maker..
did you hear before that a toy was made by itself !!
even the pee or the poo ..there is some creature made it !!
so why it is so hard to believe that universe have an inventor..the human been..the trees every thing..
he is simply ..the creator
omarico123 1 year ago
the invention prove that ..there is an inventor..
ex..a toy..must have a toy maker..
did hear before that a toy was made by itself !!
even the pee or the poo ..there is some creature made it !!
so why it is so hard to believe that universe have an inventor..the human been..the trees every thing..
he is simply the creator did
omarico123 1 year ago
anybody know this stats website Jen mentioned at the end. Gutmonker?
EATgodCRACKERS 1 year ago
@EATgodCRACKERS It's the Guttmacher Institute.
Almamater8888 1 year ago
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Haha these guys said it themselves, they can't prove God, or disprove it, so why are they wasting their time making these dumb videos? They've turned atheisms into a region, the way they meet and all. I can disprove santa clause, but there are still 100,000s of thousands of kids who still believe he exists, I don't create videos and take live callers debating him, these guys are wasting there time. Thumbs up if you believe in creation all the way.
CrazyTimTV 1 year ago
@CrazyTimTV
Hi Tim. Please disprove Santa Claus.
Good luck,
cmxcmx.
cmxcmx 1 year ago
@CrazyTimTV
What do you even think the goal of the show is?
nidodson 1 year ago
@CrazyTimTV but Atheism *is* a religion. What is the problem with that? Religion means cult. Cult means culture, cultivating ideas. Atheism stands for a world view in which you don't believe in imaginary creatures. Something very worthy of a TV show, if you ask me.
Eikinkloster 1 year ago
@CrazyTimTV They try to combat ignorance and prejudice by explaining what their views are on certain subjects.
88gertjan88 1 year ago
Im Praying for you guys
bryces5 1 year ago
@bryces5 and I'm sure they'll sacrifice a chicken for you.
TianSan 1 year ago
@bryces5
I'm praying against you.
nidodson 1 year ago
@bryces5
I'm praying against you and your prayer, negating your prayer and punishing you.
nidodson 1 year ago
Abstinence didn't work for Mary.
madhillick 1 year ago
Yeah we promote religion DEAL WITH IT, and if you keep pushing our buttons there will be retaliation, however I love how you dedicate your miserable lives to religion with your batshit philosophy...if there was no religion wtf would you shitheads be doing?
too bad I don't live out in that shithole town of texas, I might buy you some supplies to get rid of those patches of hair around your chin...
Atheist experience is nothing more than an obsession with religion....
Angelsword135 1 year ago
@Angelsword135
what a ridiculous comment..u can't even comprehend the point they are making in the video. they are against the religious distorting data to promote religion
itzahazylife 1 year ago
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Angelsword135 1 year ago
Hey this was my birthday
VelociralexBojarzin 1 year ago
my computer crashed recently and I lost my bookmarks, there was a really good site debunking creationist arguments and I cant remember what it was, can anyone help me please.
stressgranule 1 year ago
@stressgranule If I had to guess, the site you are looking for is talkorigins org. Hope you find what you need there. Cheers!
lhvinny 1 year ago
@lhvinny yeah it was, cheers
stressgranule 1 year ago
@stressgranule a site that's pretty good for debunking christian arguments?
it's probably: google dot com
roidroid 1 year ago
@stressgranule
talkorigins?
itzahazylife 1 year ago
Wow. A preacher going to prison to preach, the overwhelming majority are Christians, the rest are Muslims(most likely Nation of Islam) adherents with very few atheists(including some Buddhists, Hindus, and other Eastern religious adherents). Can Christians ever be honest?
HybridD91 1 year ago
Today in my class ( I am a student) we had a task where we were supposed to write down 11 things important in our life we got to choose from money,family,being popular,exciting life etc and religion. Every single one chose religion as last. I love Sweden
MrSharky808 1 year ago 75
@MrSharky808 WHAT?! BLASPHEMY!!! Religion shouldn't be listed lol.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@MrSharky808 that's good but it would be nice if religion didn't even make the list
phriendlyphool 1 year ago
@MrSharky808 looks like sweden is in better position than in the US.. im glad most of you guys put religion last if they even believe in any
VaticanIscariot 1 year ago
@MrSharky808
Filthy godless Swedes!! I hates 'em!!
LOL KIDDING!
Caniswalensis 1 year ago
@MrSharky808 That's awesome but hopefully one day they'll write down that list and religion won't even be part of it! :D
fourtywpm 9 months ago
33 years ago I worked with a some great people. We thought that if we arranged employment for a prisoner before he got out (real jobs not minimum wage shit) we might actually help that person stay out of jail. How radical! I was really pissed off to hear of Colsen's claim. I know god damn well that his organization doesn't do follow up better than we did. Given his deserved reputation as a liar why believe that fat asshole? Getting inmates jobs prevents recidivism more than anything.
hamnose 1 year ago
Atheism:
The belief that in the begining there was nothing, and nothing happenend to nothing. Then
nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything. Then a bunch of everything
magically, for no reason whatsoever, turned into self-replicating bits which then turned
into dinosaurs.
Makes perfect sense.
ernie5229 1 year ago
@ernie5229 You're pretty damn cool, your argument is from a straw man demotivational photo.
BacklTrack 1 year ago
@BacklTrack ernie is spamming every atheist video he can find. It's pretty meaningless really. ;-)
wordreet 1 year ago
@ernie5229
Bible-based Theism:
The belief that in the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing. Then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating a magical being. Then this pile-o-magic, magically created everything from nothing for its amusement, to create a habitat for its pets that it would setup for failure in the plans that this would make them love it more, once it "saved" them from themselves.
Here's a thought, how can a perfect being beget imperfection?
TheDrunkard1 1 year ago
@TheDrunkard1
Note to all, this is just a silly mirror of ernie5229's silly post. Just for fun, nothing else. :)
TheDrunkard1 1 year ago
jen looks like alice from the l word
LauraKathleen05 1 year ago
@shiveryshiva abstinence-only educational programs focus on abstaining from sex and exclude education regrading contraceptives and safe sex. abstinence-only educational programs don't work because they don't educate students about safe sex practices which results in kids getting in trouble. there is a lack of education - the children don't get the chance to ignore the material - there is nothing taught other than 'don't do it till you are married'. A properly administered program should teach...
1n354a 1 year ago
(cont) about sexual health, contraceptives, abstinence and anything else that can possibly help students. As I have said before -abstinence is a great and safe path, but abstinence-only educational programs are crap. do you understand the difference between the two?
The abstinence only programs only reported those who remained abstinent - anybody who didn't wasn't reported. They used a subset of the overall set just as the prison group did. They lied in order to protect their program. Creamed.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a That is correct. In medical statistics there is a concept called "Intent to treat, " which means that even if someone drops out of a drug test, you still count them in the statistics for determining efficacy. Otherwise, data gets biased. The same thing applies, here, as you are saying. They have to include everyone who started in the program and not just those who completed it to get an accurate picture of how well it works.
L571J 1 year ago
@shiveryshiva you are moving the goal here. I am not arguing whether or not the boy has a rubber or the girl is thinking rationally....I am merely pointing out that by educating people you give them the best chance to succeed and live happy lives. Because if you don't teach the girl about contraception, she won't know enough to ask the boy why he isn't wearing protection.
1n354a 1 year ago
@shiveryshiva yes you are right - abstinence is 100% safe. however abstinence-only education is nowheres near 100% effective, which is what they claim after creaming the numbers. just as the prison system creamed their numbers by only including a subset of the original set, so do the abstinence-only programs. I am not slamming abstinence as being a really good way of avoiding std or pregnancy, rather that abstinence-only programs don't work and the promoters of said programs cream the stats.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Abstinance is only safe as far as not reproducing is concerned. Outside of that, it merely adds existing neuroses.
wordreet 1 year ago
@wordreet I know - telling a sexually charged creature to not have sex is the best way to create a freaking monster, but on paper, not having sex removes all chance of getting a sexually transmitted disease. I'm not saying that it is realistic or effective in the real world...at least not without some serious side effects.
1n354a 1 year ago
@1n354a Amen to that. ;-)
wordreet 1 year ago
You are not getting this...I'll try one more time. The reason they brought up the abstinence programs and their creaming of stats was in relation to the prison system's creaming of stats. They were not targeting a religiously-backed program or the idea of abstinence, rather the dishonest behavior of the people who backed and promoted these programs (which amusingly enough were all religious - lol, go figure!).
Nobody would argue that abstinence is not the best method to stop unwanted...
1n354a 1 year ago
(cont) pregnancy or the spread of STD. Abstinence beats condoms and birth control and even vasectomy's hands down, but that is not what is being discussed and that is not the point they are trying to make.
If there existed an abstinence message that was able to convince 90% of the students to not have sex and it stuck, then that program would be considered a success. Teaching abstinence-only and avoiding all other material is like teaching abstinence-only in driver's ed and then wondering...
1n354a 1 year ago
(cont) why so many teens were dying on the roads. It just does not work and the numbers show this.
The only alternative is to teach the children about their sexuality - to include the obvious conclusion that abstinence is a good idea until you know what you are dealing with, but not to put abstinence on a freakin' pedastool. It is not the gold standards because just about every one of those children will be a fully functioning sexual being in a very few years, driven by hormones and chemicals
1n354a 1 year ago
(cont) beyond their imaginationl. Denying them information about this helps nobody.
as for your 'in the heat of the moment' example - if the girl had been educated properly she would be able to make the decision that despite the boy's desires, she will not be accept his fireman without it's raincap on. so even without being used properly or at all, education about condoms and birth control works!
again -nobody denies that abstinence works - just that abstinence-only education does not.
1n354a 1 year ago
LOL. Lynette's his ex-wife, right?
TheConciseStatement 1 year ago
@shiveryshiva you know what - whether you teach about sex or you teach abstinence, that little boy is going to pull down that girl's panties in the back of the car. with the knowledge of birth control (be it condoms or the pill or both) there is a better chance that pregnancy will not be the result and both will remain healthy. armed with the power of abstinence-only, she will get pregnant and they will both have herpes.
1n354a 1 year ago
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Religious people seem pretty good at creaming the data. such as "Prayers work because I got better",, but what about the 100 other people who prayed but didnt get better ?? " oh, they didnt pray hard enough,, or,, god has a plan for them""
As well as.. "god loves everyone".. what about the thousands god killed in the old testement?? "oh, thats taken out or context,, or, thats just an analogy,, or,, god changed in the new testement""
creaming your data, or playing the get out of gaol card
podoau 1 year ago
Religious people seem pretty good at creaming the data. such as "Prayers work because I got better",, but what about the 100 other people who prayed but didnt get better ?? " oh, they didnt pray hard enough,, or,, god has a plan for them""
As well as.. "god loves everyone".. what about the thousands god killed in the old testement?? "oh, thats taken out or context,, or, thats just an analogy,, or,, god changed in the new testement""
creaming your data, or playing the get out of gaol card
podoau 1 year ago
Now that they bring it up, being gay is 100% effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies as well.
jmcanoy1860 1 year ago
That is NOT the meaning of creaming. Atleast not according to the films I have watched so far on this here internet. Also when does Jen take her close off?? I mean I am like three minuttes in all ready. Bring it on God damn it...
zydilak 1 year ago
again, I don't think that they were attempting to underplay the benefits of remaining abstinent, but showing that the abstinence only program promoters are dishonest and that the program is not very successful at all.
Again, I agree that the best way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is to not have sex, but ultimately these kids are going to have sex and if they are armed with absolute ignorance they are going to get in serious trouble. Ensuring that each and every child is armed with the best...
1n354a 1 year ago
(cont) ...education we can provide - not censored by any religious group's wishes - should be the gold standard.
1n354a 1 year ago
I am amazed by how much this idea of "creaming the data" reminds me of the Texas education system. In Houston where i grew up for example many of the urban and suburban school districts instituted "aternative schools" that ran parralell to the regular schools and fast tracked "problem students" to GEDs or work programs to hide the school districts dropout rates.
madmoddersparkler 1 year ago
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Where will you go to when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain, or looked at someone with lust? If yes, then you are a lying, theiving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. When you die & stand before God you'll be guilty of breaking His law. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! So God sent God His Son Jesus to die for your sins, & He rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins & was resurrected) you'll be saved!
gramosjr7 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 If you are a bad person who has never done anything for your fellow man you will go to hell according to the holy book you claim to want to live up to regardless of whether you "believe in the gospel". I'm not sure why many christians ignore portions of the bible that stress the importance of works in favor of the damnation their holy text promises if they try to get into heaven on grace alone. Though it does explain why so many evangelical christians are such loathsome creatures.
madmoddersparkler 1 year ago
@gramosjr7 Look out people! We have a Ray Comfort clone on the loose! :)
deenloon 1 year ago
Good luck Texas with your retarded sex ed program! You can beat Mississippi!
Go, erm... "Longhorns...."
ForbiddianSC 1 year ago
I love you guys. Awesome!
ooglebydoogleby 1 year ago
why is the video so small >_<
starberry2947 1 year ago
I have such a crush on Jen ... /sigh
webhed003 1 year ago
When the abstinence only program was taught to a control group of 1st graders, 0% of them became pregnant by the 2nd grade! Proof that the program works and that God is real!!1!!
Celephaith 1 year ago 3
@Celephaith praise jebus!
scottintulsa 1 year ago
my sandwich has a 100% success rate of not being eaten, because if it still exists, that means it hasn't been eaten yet.
Texemosis 1 year ago 30
@Texemosis
And we can't disprove that it still exists, so it looks like Asandwichism is not accurate and correct.
TheAtheistAllegiance 1 year ago
@Texemosis What sandwich is this? This is crucial.
runnysmokey0304 1 year ago
@Texemosis can a sanwhich still exist after being eaten though?
Deathwalking 1 year ago
@Deathwalking it wouldn't be a sandwich anymore, it would be.... something else.
Texemosis 1 year ago
@Texemosis but the memory remains, does that make it still exist? lol sorry im just being a dick atm, its a fun concept to think about though
Deathwalking 1 year ago
@shiveryshiva I think you are missing the point -they are not talking about the act of abstinence, rather the abstinence-only program. the act of abstinence does reduce pregnancy and stds and such by 100%, but the abstinence-only program does not. what is being pointed out is that supporters of the abstinence-only program present faulty data (like the prison ministry) that shows that their program is super-duper successful, when in fact it is not. does this clear things up for you?
1n354a 1 year ago
The same goes for the 12 step programs.
Mahoivlich 1 year ago
All sexual activity is a choice. Nobody is born with a particular sexual desire.
jvforever72 1 year ago
@jvforever72 Whether or not you have a sex drive isn't a choice, and it must be directed at something. Are you going with Freud's polymorphous perversity, or are you saying that life persists on Earth only because things choose to breed?
Saerain 1 year ago
You know, homosexuality always seems to be topic in these videos, and I just want to say that none of you seem to have any idea what you are talking about.
1. Homosexuality isn't a choice.
2. No one knows what causes homosexuality.
3. 10% of the population of the world is homosexual. Contrary to what many believe. It isn't a small amount of people you are talking about here.
angrynutrients 1 year ago
@angrynutrients facts like that don't matter! freedom is freedom and rights are rights.. we cant remove the rights of one group to favor another, or else we might as well throw away democracy and the constitution, plain and fucking simple
deafencryption 1 year ago
@deafencryption I'm for Homosexual rights. I'm not against them. I'm trying to tell people that they aren't some minor group that you can just shut down.
angrynutrients 1 year ago
@angrynutrients yeah i know what you meant i was agreeing with you, but advising that we don't squabble over these petty useless arguments like whether its a choice or not.. even if it was a choice it would not change the fact that they DESERVE the same rights as heterosexual people
deafencryption 1 year ago
@angrynutrients To help put this in perspective:
10% of the US is gay
<1% is in the military
FeralCr 1 year ago
I hate when I cream my, err, data...
OccamsView 1 year ago
Abstinence only is different than abstinence based. I think abstinence based methods are preferable to a "well, we know you are going to do it anyway" mentality. Also, don't these people realize that comprehensive sex ed might be useful eventually - even if someone waits until marriage? My mother knew someone who got pregnant and didn't know how. Keeping someone ignorant does not keep them innocent; and not having information increases the risk of being taken advantage of.
sinmantyx 1 year ago 3
@sinmantyx
The people who need sexual education are the least likely to be abstinent so realistically, yes, assuming it will happen is not only more realistic, but also more responsible on the part of the educator.
bigpotatofive 1 year ago
@bigpotatofive There should not be an assumption that ALL of the children are going to have sex before marriage or before becoming an adult - only a realistic notion that many of them will. One of the people involved in our sex ed in school flat out said, "we know you are going to do it" and frankly, it pissed a lot of us off. I would have rather he say, "This is important information for anyone to have, and will be essential for most of you at some point in your lives."
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx
Who said anything about ALL children? Statistically the average teenager is more likely than not, so it is more honest and responsible to assume that it will happen and cater the education to the people that will have sex because that's where the trouble arises.
bigpotatofive 1 year ago
@bigpotatofive Ah! It looks like we agree, but simply didn't understand each other. I agree, that certainly there shouldn't be an assumption that the children ARE NOT going to be sexual active. :)
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx Couldn't agree more.
FeralCr 1 year ago
They should have ended on "That's what she said!".
iSOBigD 1 year ago
Aside from those issues with abstinence -- coming from an area nearly playing abstinence only thing straight, they don't teach you how to use a condom, they don't teach you anything about birth control, etc. so the people here who don't learn on their own, as it were, won't know that when they find themselves ready to break abstinence. So abstinence only education is dangerous in that way as well.
Teirusu155 1 year ago
Let's not forget that "believers" represent nearly 99% of prison population, while non-believers represent anywhere from 10 to 15% of the general population. In other words, non-believers are MUCH less likely to commit crimes than believers. Now, there can be additional factors that bring these numbers into question - still, it's not going to account for the entire difference in the numbers.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
@AncientAtheist ..or maybe atheists are just too smart to get caught. :)
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx LOL!!
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
I think we can equate this logic to the war on drugs. Millions of people arrested and spending lengthy streches in prison, end result is a higher quantity of less pure drugs on the street. You cannot stop people doing what is A enjoyable and B completely normal.
Unlocktube 1 year ago
@Unlocktube Although to be fair, sex and procreation are completely "normal" and necessary for our race to survive where as drug use is completely useless and not actually needed by anyone other than people who already do drugs and start having less self-control when it comes to using drugs.
I don't think anyone who's never heard of pot ever wakes up and thinks, "hmm, I sure could use weed right about now", where as if you've never heard of sex, you'll still crave it eventually.
iSOBigD 1 year ago
@iSOBigD
You are right to a point, drugs are not completely useless. I would argue that some people, who lack the ability otherwise, can gain great insights from certain drugs. A different perpective can change your entire life, in both positive and negative ways.
Unlocktube 1 year ago
@Unlocktube Well just to clarify, I meant recreational drugs, not those used for medical purposes. Also, I hope you don't bring up the artist argument since that's been debunked many times and I also happen to be an artist. You can think of drugs like you would of alcohol...it can help people forget, get over bad things, etc. but none of that is truly needed or very positive.
iSOBigD 1 year ago
@iSOBigD
I wonder have you ever tried LSD. You might have a different opinion afterwards. It's not the drugs themselves that can have a positive effect, but the frame of mind that would be otherwise difficult to attain.
I don't want everyone out there taking drugs, I just think it should be a choice. With the help of some drugs, and I am not talking about addictive drugs, you can lose your ego and gain a new way of looking at the world around you.
Drugs should never be used to forget.
Unlocktube 1 year ago
@Unlocktube
There is a way to slightly mimick LSD, it's tricky and not as good, but you can. Stay awake for about 72hrs+ (3 days) and you start to hallucinate. I did it once to see the effects back in high school and it's a big trip. Problem is I've never take LSD to compare it, but from what I've read it's similar to LSD on a lower scale.
bersaba 1 year ago
I want to cream YOUR data. My Ph.D. is so hard.
hymnofashes 1 year ago
@hymnofashes LOL!
madjimms 1 year ago
No i support gays were not relgiously motivated bigots
InquisitorDracomual 1 year ago
I'm not gay, or bisexual, because It isn't a choice. I support gay rights, I support gay pride.
Raephire 1 year ago
there ya go...atheists supporting gays because they don't fear god...a disbelief in god obviously leads down a sinful path in life.
TheNikkonish 1 year ago
@TheNikkonish yep.. you got it. im atheist because i want to sin. SIN SIN SIN i love it.
wugglestehgnome 1 year ago
@TheNikkonish
And those that follow the bible to hate and discriminate homosexuals are hypocrites as they don't obey the whole law. How about stoning unruly children? How about not using different fabric in clothes? How about stoning those who work on Sabbath? Hypocrites!
mestrini 1 year ago
@mestrini lol, i should have said that i was being sarcastic...i thought it was obvious, but then again, christians really do say stupid things like what I said and actually are serious about it.
TheNikkonish 1 year ago
@TheNikkonish The moment u used the word sin, u lost any validity to ur argument. I would call u retarded but that would be an insult to those who really are mentally challenged. Ur worse. U choose to be stupid. According to ur dumb logic, anybody whos condition is genetic is a sinner cause like it or not, it's pretty much proven that ur born with ur sexual preferance. But hey, keep at ur ignorant religion BS. If it wasn't for pple like u, i would of never woken up from irrationality.
handom85 1 year ago
@handom85 i'm sorry you are unable to recognize sarcasm.
TheNikkonish 1 year ago
I get turned on every time I see Jen, a smart and hot woman! SIZZLING!! Hi Jen!
jesusdied1 1 year ago
"Creaming your data is not as dirty as it sounds"
You're right, it's worse than it sounds.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
russell is such a fuckin pervert man. i can tell!! ...love this show tho
IsisPaperz 1 year ago
It's not wrong to say that someone who fails at being abstinate is not abstinate. If someone has sex they should not be counted in the abstinate population.
FluffyFeralMarmot 1 year ago
@FluffyFeralMarmot .. that s true! but they ve been in the abstinence program!
kapa1611 1 year ago
@FluffyFeralMarmot But the abstinence-groups are saying they have a 100% success-rate, but that's not true. but what they do not do, is count in the people who vent through the program but did not make it. the success-rate of abstinence is of cause 100%, but the success-rate of then program itself is far from 100%
KV123HaV 1 year ago
@FluffyFeralMarmot abstinence itself is not wut was questioned, rather the TEACHING of abstinence as a method of anti-teen pregnancy etc. THAT definately does not have a 100% success rate.
handom85 1 year ago
@FluffyFeralMarmot
My new tissue paper bulletproof vest also has 100% success rate - because if it won't stop a bullet, it's not bulletproof and don't count into success statistics. :)
KristoffDoe 1 year ago
@KristoffDoe
If something is bulletproof, it stops bullets. If you say it is, but it can't stop bullets, then you are wrong -- it is not bulletproof.
If I am abstinent, I will not get anyone pregnant...ever. If I say I'm abstinent, but I'm still having sex, then I am wrong -- I am not abstinent.
FluffyFeralMarmot 1 year ago
@FluffyFeralMarmot
No, no, no... Our patented tissue paper bulletproof vests are 100% reliable in stopping bullets and we can show that with out statistics - every single of our vests that do stop bullets is bulletproof.
KristoffDoe 1 year ago
Interesting topic :)
keithzworld 1 year ago
Cream and Bastards Rise.
Makotoichio 1 year ago
@AtheistdotEDU "gay is a genetic determination". Only partially. With any behavioural or social trait, the environment in which the child develops, all the way from the fetal stage through early childhood to teenage, also has an impact. It's not possible to say how many "percent" of homosexuality is genetic, how much environmental/social etc, but if it were, it would vary between individuals. Some would be gay no matter what the environment is, others could be gay or hetero.
cruz1ale 1 year ago
@cruz1ale WIth many issues this is the case but I don't know of any studies at all showing environment being a factor in being heterosexual or homosexual.
Subher0 1 year ago
@Subher0 i believe that environment can only speed or slow towards the inevitable realization or acceptance of the sexuality uve had all along, not define it. There are stories of pple being raised opposite of their nature, but the ending is the same. They either struggle with it their whole lives or come out.
handom85 1 year ago
@handom85 Yes ofcourse. Your environment can affect wether you accept your sexual orientation slowly, more rapidly or not at all. That doesn't mean your sexual orientation itself is affected by your environment. I'm not saying it's not possible, but there is nothing that indicates that that's the case.
Subher0 1 year ago
@cruz1ale "It's not possible to say how many "percent" of homosexuality is genetic"
That is not actually true. Twin studies and adoption studies utilising monozygotic & dizygotic twins as well as normal siblings (i.e. identical DNA and environment, different DNA and same environment, different DNA and different environment) allows the measurement of the genetic component. I read one somewhere done on homosexuality that put the genetic component at apx 75%, similar to bipolar and schizophrenia.
PCR8t8 1 year ago 2
@PCR8t8 No, you didn't read anywhere about the genetic component of homosexuality, because no one knows what causes homosexuality, the most you would have read is a theory on whether or not there was a genetic component.
angrynutrients 1 year ago
@PCR8t8
Still, you can't point at a homosexual and say "that's 75% genetic" with any degree of certainty. There's always variation in things like this simply because the environment isnt the same for everyone; even if it was a reliable result that 75% is the average genetic proportion, it could be 99% in some cases and 50% in others.
cruz1ale 1 year ago