Brother.. I can see you will not agree and you will see that i hold Imaan in my view.
so we'l leave it as it is but i have one request that i have showed you proofs of why we do what we do through hadeeth so please refrain from calling it a bida' and Definately refrain from branding us doing Shirk as that is a very serious matter.
I Pray That Allah brings Guidance to You and Showers his blessings upon you.
I Pray that the Ummah is United and not split over minor issues. Let the Ummah Rise I.A
@TheIslamicMovement I ask the same of you akhi, and may Allah guide you and guide us all akhi i feel that you have a good heart. I also ask Allah to keep this ummah from splitting. Wa asalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh
Abu Bakr as Siddiq whirled around because he was happy about Prophet Mohammad. Whats so hard to understand this ? i hate no-knowers who accuse Sufis for their form of worshipping which other muslims accept easily
@Serkant75 One of the 99 names of Allah is Al-Wahhab ( the giver of all things) and Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhaab Al-Wasaabee was a reviver of the sunnah. You people yet deny that, /watch?v=YXTgBfvQVNg
@abutaymiyyah Wahabism is not Islam. Wahabism is a Sect. They accept only what they know and they KNOW wrong ! dont tell me they live islam how it is supposed to. there is NO Rule to live ones religion. Only follow the way of the prophet. and if wahhabs were muslims, they would not fight against turks. i am turk and muslim ottomans fight for islam against the enemy and colonist state. Koran forbids Muslims to ally with non muslims against Muslim countries. Think about this instead.
See there you go again, there is no such thing as 'Wahabism' and the methodology of the salaf surely is not a sect and if Muslims disobey the way of Allah and his messenger SAW then you are allowed to shed their blood and you accept only what you believe because we follow what Allah has commanded and the way of the prophet SAW and companions in other words the Quran and the Sunnah. Jumping up and down and chanting out at the same time is not from the quran and the sunnah, it is indeed bid'ah
And now i have brought u a hadith in favour of celebration. lets be mature about this argument. now u bring me a hadith condemming the celebration of a birthday. U will not be able to dear Brother
the arguments you hold are baseless. u ask us for hadeeth we have provided one. now u provide us with one. you wont find one hadeeth condeming celebration in the form of ibaadah. not one. u wont find one hadeeth condemming celebration of birthday so good luck
Allah's Apostle said, "If any one of you improve (follows strictly) his Islamic religion then his good deeds will be rewarded ten times to seven hundred times for each good deed and a bad deed will be recorded as it is."
Tell me in which narration did the prophet SAW jump up and down calling it Dhikr ? In which narration did the companions of the messenger SAW jump up and down calling it Dhikr? In which narration did the three generations jump up and down calling it Dhikr? And your 'Sheikh Nazim' said he will help you out in the trials of the grave by whispering you the answer?
By Allah.. the habashi Sahaba danced out of Love for Blessed Holy Prophet s.a.w
it is supported by riwaayah after riwaayah. to hear those riwaayahs . watch?v=UsuRSeHZtAM
And that is more proof from the hadith from the Sunnah.. now dear brother we have brought to you yet more hadeeth what are explicit in saying the sahaba were dancing out of love. i ask you to bring some explicit hadeeth saying 'dont dance out of love for prophet s.a.w' or to that extent.. u wont be able to.
@TheIslamicMovement The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: “Be different from the Jews and the Christians.” [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim] He (SAW) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” [Saheeh - Reported by Ahmad]
These two hadiths clearly state that the prophet SAW told us to be different from the Christians and Jews. The Christians celebrate the ISA AS birthday. So what makes you different from them?
It seems you have a problem with the terms Celebration and Birthday as if someone has drilled it into your head.
What if we use the terms.
We thank Allah for Bringing Muhammad saw into this Dunya as a blessing for us.. now you might want to know how we thank Allah. Well some poeple fast. some read salawaat and durood. Others read Quran.
See how simple it is and how big deal you make it. Uve been brainwashed bro
the innovation of celebrating the birthday of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam has no religious basis. Neither the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam nor any of his Companions or the followers did so. In fact, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “You must hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the four Rightly-Guided Caliphs – cling to it stubbornly. Beware of innovations, for every innovation is misguidance." (Abu Daawood, Tirmidhi).
@abutaymiyyah ....Right.. now i dont know whether you have read the message i sent earlier or whether u have understood what i wrote.
I Showed you a Hadith implying That muhammad saww fasted on a monday.. when asked why. Prophet saww said because i was born on a monday. It is clear he was showing gratitude to Allah for his birth and how did he show gratitude?...By fasting which is ibaadah. We also show gratitude For the birth of muhammad saww..Which is Sunnah of muhammad saww. so ther you go.
The Prophet (salla'Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said, ".... I have left you upon clear guidance. Its night is like its day. No one deviates from it after me except that he is destroyed." Reported by Ahmad, Ibn Maajah (no. 43) and al-Haakim. It is declared saheeh by Shaikh al-Albaanee in as-Saheehah (no. 937).
@TheIslamicMovement Question: What is the ruling regarding celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (SAW and does the Prophet (SAW) attend (physically or spiritually)?
@abutaymiyyah ...Well the simple question i have told you the view of my Sheikhs who have studied from sheikhs traceable to the prophet saww. And the opinion of the bloodline of prophet muhammad saw (sheikh Nazim) as celebrating birthday as Sunnah
Now if the Prophet saww is present.. it depends in what way.. We know through a strong hadeeth that if we send Salaam to the prophet saww Allah returns his soul and he returns the Salaam. And that is presence in one way.
@TheIslamicMovement akhi, a minute ago you said i was the one who was being brainwashed? Read your comment and revise your answer. To be honest you believe what you believe and lets leave it at that because it seems none of my words are getting through to you.
we All know who you follow...Which is the Biggest Bida'. Our Scholars have been taught by scholars and the line can be traced back to tthe Prophet s.a.w and thats enough for us to hold imaan in everything we say... the scholars you follow and quote can only be traced back to Abdul Wahhab and no furher because Abdul Wahhab was self taught.
And thats where your fault is. and research that yourself, it is indeed true. May Allah guide you
@TheIslamicMovement We specifically the first three generations of Islaam in which the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) described as being the best generations of Muslims. The Prophet (SAW) and his Sahaabah (companions). The second, the Taabi'een (the followers of the companions). Thethird, the Tabaa'at-Taabi'een (the followers of the followers of the companions). And the students(scholars) who came after them. We do not just take knowledge from shaykh ul islaam mohammed ibn abdul wahhab.
@TheIslamicMovement No we take knowledge of all the rightly guided scholars such as: ibn hanbal, ash shafi'i, ibn malik, abu hanifa. Right down to ibn taymiyyah, ibn qayyim, ibn kathir, ibn hajar al asqalani, al qurtubi, al laalkae and many other scholar that are on the line of rightly guided students which goes down till this day.
@TheIslamicMovement Response: Respecting the Prophet (SAW) and honouring him is by believing in his mission and acting according to what he came with from Allaah. As for celebrating his birthday then it is an innovation, and it has been confirmed on the authority of the Prophet (SAW) that he said: Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours (i.e. Islam) that which is not from it, will have it rejected», [Sahih al-Bukhari/2697 and Sahih Muslim/1718].
@Serkant75 And there is no such thing as the golden chain, where the prophet SAW told Abubakr RA a secret in the the cave. It is like you are saying that the messenger of Allah SAW has hid from his ummah ( people ) nay, verily he did not. Allah SWT says in surah al-An'aam (6):37 "And we have not neglected anything from the book." he also says in surah nisa (4):80 And Allah SWT says: مَّن يُطِعِ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدۡ أَطَاعَ ٱللَّهَۖ "Whoever obeys the Messenger, Has obeyed Allah"
And Allah SWT says in Surah Al-Hashr(59):7, "Whatever the Messenger gives you, then take it and whatever he prohibits you, then stay away from it" and in Surah an- Nisa (4):113 he SWT says: "And Allah has revealed to you the book and the wisdom". So brother can it be said that the prophet SAW died while leaving something from Allah's chosen religion unexplained? Never! For the Prophet SAW made clear all the religion, be it by what he said, did or by his affirmation.
@abutaymiyyah If it is for Allah, then loud dhikr is ok. What is wrong with loud dhikr? I am a Sufi and will never ever respect Abdul Wahhab. Until Judgement dAy. so its not your problem. WE do dhikr, we do hadra, we love Allah and his prophet. Rasulullah did not forbid when people got inspired and whirled around with compassion. Abu Bakr Siddik also whirled around. Sufis NEVER do something against SUnnah.
@Serkant75 Sufis never do something against the sunnah? i would like to see a narration from that to prove your argument and also i was warning you from using the phrase "wahabbis" and if what i sent was not enough for you to comprehend then whomsoever Allah guides non can misguide and whosoever Allah misguides (i.e) due to the person being disobedient then non can guide.
@abutaymiyyah he was happy about prophet Muhammad and Allah so he whirled around three times it is said. MOhammad let him be, and was consent with him
@abutaymiyyah open your heart and listen to this brother: ne day when Prophet (s) was giving a Friday sermon, a Bedouin came and said, “Ya RasulAllah (s), when will the Day of Judgement occur?” Prophet (s) did not answer the Bedouin and remained silent for some time. So the Bedouin asked again, but again Prophet (s) did not answer. After a period of time the Bedouin asked his question for a third time. Immediately, the Angel Gabriel appeared before the Holy Prophet (s) and said...
u Asked for the hadeeth...In a Hadith narrated by Abu Qatada Ansari (rad), Allah's Messenger (SAW) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: ‘It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me.’ (Muslim, Book 6, No. 2606). It is clear from this Hadith that the Prophet (SAW) fasted on the day of his birth out of gratitude. Fasting is a form of worship, so one can fast or hold gatherings or provide food to the poor, all being acts of worship.
@TheIslamicMovement The hadeeth indicates the importance of Monday not the Birthday. Also, if celebrating the birthday of the prophet (SAW) was a sunnah the best of the Sahabah (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali) and all the rest of the noble Companions may ALLAH be pleased with them all, would be the first to do it, as there is no one who followed the sunnah of the prophet (SAW) as much as they did. So if you have any valid proof to do so, let us all read it.
@abutaymiyyah Right, the hadeeth i quoted about fasting on monday. u said it stresses the importance of the day monday. that is tafsir of hadith and to do that you have to be a sheikh. 1. From what sheikh did u get a Tafsir. 2. Use your own intelligence and ask yourself why would the day monday be better than other days. We know friday is the Best day because of Jummah and various other reasons. Because of Jummah Friday is important. And Monday is important bcuz of prophet muhammad saw birthday
@TheIslamicMovement The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi).
Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) had warned them from exaggeration, he said: “Do not exaggerate me, as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say 'the slave of Allah and Messenger of Allah” [Saheeh Bukharee]
In what way are we immitating the Jews and Christians. 1. Ask yourself what the christians and Jews did wrong. if you dont know i'll tell you. the prescribed partners to Allah.....
Whoe ever does that is wrong but earlier i showed u a hadith where the prophet saw guarantees no sect of his ummah will do Shirk.. We hold imaan on Surah Ikhlas AND Towheed. so this hadith is baseless in this argument. we do not do Shirk brother and do not imply that we do so.
Christiane Amanpour had an excellent town meeting on ABC's This Week today about Islamophobia. The discussion got very heated. There were representatives of the 911 victim families, Daisy Khan, Franklin Graham, and others on the panel. We need to have this discussion. Better to have it all out in the open. It may still be at ABC's website.
@chaosdbzmaster In 1919 Abdul Aziz Bin Saud did when he helped the British Kuffars help abolish the Calipha, this was the beginning of the word “Bidah” and the Whabi Saudi alliance started it. Since then, Islam has seen nothing but problems.
heh very bad king, i know for a fact it was mentioned in the Hadith, but i was referring to the missuse of the word bidatt. But you explained it so yeh thanks
All this screaming and yelling about unimportant matters, dressing in funny medieval clothing, endless disputing...and you are surprised why non-muslims are having a hard time tolerating Islam and muslims? Islam desperately needs a reformation and enlightenment in order to come into modern times. Liberate your women! Let them dress as they want to, and don't tell me they want to dress in shrouds of the dead. Islam was once a great religion and civilization, but it isn't nowadays.
@MrJamz1989 In fact I know very well what I am talking about since I have been studying the world's religions in depth for many, many years. Anyone who has the disrespect to refer to me as an ignorant prick in any case deserves no further attention. I leave you to your own benighted sect.
@shabaash why do we have to become modern so our women wear clothing that show their shape or clothing thats shows her skin what happened to shyness and respect for ones self and we do not treat our women as slaves, our women choose to be like this for the sake of their lord, the lord of the heavens and earth and all that surrounds us because he commanded so. Jumping around shouting out in the masjid and celebrating the birthday of the prophet SAW is bid'ah who did this 'shayk' study from?
Muhammad S.a.w.w celebrated his own birthday every monday by fasting. as was once said in a hadeeth.
Fasting is a type of ibaadah.. Zikr is also a type of Ibaadah so celebrating the prophet s.a.w birthday is Sunnah of Holy Prophet s.a.w and it should be done by some form of ibaadah.. at this point i should also make clear that even breathing in the way of Allah.. Is Ibaadah.
Celebrating the Birthday isnt bidah.. and if so bring me one single hadith condemming the celebration.
@TheIslamicMovement first of all tell me when the prophet SAW celebrated his birthday or which sahaba celebrated the prophet SAW birthday and bring me a authentic hadeeth as your proof.
@shabaash well ok it is not great anymore because of our low life leaders. they killed the kings and sultans and set up DEmoncratic people instead, living of the peoples wealth. And fought against the religion...
Let me make something very clear. Our Women are the jems, the jewels, the gold in our life. You keep the most precious things to you covered. your precious things may be money.. may be jewels. the most precious things to us is our women. Their clothes are their Self Respect from their Lord.
Whereas women what wear what they please as in the west.. are used solely for material gain. in the adverts, on the bilboards just as a selling point,.. Islam gave women RIGHTS FROM DAY 1
Every Muslim knows that from their beginning till their end.. what is said by their most beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w.w and what is written in the Quran does not need to be changed and it never will be changed. Islam does not need reformation. Islam does not need enlightenment. When the world was in darkness. Islam came as The Light... Rather the poeple of this world need to reflect back onto Islam.. Study Islam. And implement Islam.. For peace. For unity
All of this bickering and nitpicking is why I will never subscribe to one of the Abrahamic religions. Religion is about a person's relationship with the transcendent and nothing more. All the rest is MAN MADE LAWS. There are no revealed texts from God because there is no God in the form of a human being. The laws we are dealing with are the laws of nature and the universe. WE create our ethical and moral systems not some bearded old man in heaven.
@GnosticReality calm down bro. abu bakr, umar, uthman, and ali r.a loved him s.a.w a lot more than u did and they didnt celebrate it. are u saying they hated him? astaghfirullahi ya rab! may He forgive you and guide u.
LOL all you want, suuposedly pure heart. There's no wahhabis but sunnah folowers,, if you hate following the sunnah so much.. so be it. We don't hate thikr, that's just a wish of you and your kind. Assalam Alaikum, may Allah guide you and me and all of us to the right path and that is by following the PROPHET's example not what you love *desire* to follow.
how can you say "justify zina or pork"? that is very bad. Do you knw that Saidina Abu Bakar is in the salasilah? and Rasullullah SAW says "you may follow 3 generation after me - sahabah, tabiee, tabieen".. and yet you follow Ibnu Taymiyyah. You may also look, that the salafi is trying to make ppl obey the shariah rules, but it is not happening. But the shaykh is successful, coz he is teaching what Rasullullah had done the first 13 years - 'having a good relationship with Allah'!
how can you say the shaykhs will justify "zina or pork"? That is very bad.. remember that Saidina Abu Bakar As-Siddiq is in the salasilah.. and Rasullullah SAW says that you can follow "3 generation after me - Sahabah, Tabiee, and Tabieen".... yet you follow Ibnu Taymiyah.
Bakar As-Siddiq will not be in the salasilah.. besides that, one think that the shaykhs do making sure all the tariqah members have close relation will Allah... does the salafi ulama do that? what they want to do is making sure ppl are obeying ONLY the rules... (which is not happening... most ppl are not obeying rules) why? coz not having good relation with Allah SWT.
You people are wierd, you call your selves Ahl al Hadeeth yet you are the first to discard a hadeeth when there is a doubt of it being weak in narration. The classical scholars of the salaf have stated that it is permissible to act upon a weak hadeeth as long as it is not used as a fiqh daleel. The status of dha'eef is only for fiqh and not for thawaab.
group gatherings and loud dhikr is bid'a. if someone devotes their lives to it, of course they will feel compelled to justify it via twisting the meanings of ahadith. may Allah guide those who are sincere in being guided,
centuries-old? it doesnt matter if it's MILLENNIUMS old! the sahaba clearly did not approve it, and rasoolullah s.a.w never did it. thats your problem, u think just because something was innovated 2 or 10 centuries ago, its justified and its good. listen man, if the shiyookh want to justify zina or pork, theyll do it in a jiffy by twisting the meaning of ahadith. may Allah guide you and me. i sory im coming off as offensive. please forgive me.
@guardali1 show me single hadith where suhaba (ra) didn't approved the loud dhikr. 2nd why you put your own opinion in Suhabah's mouth. what kind of Islam do you know? You are like a lost soul. See the face of this person and compare it with your own, you will see who is liar. Just see the mirror
are you crazy because if you know so much, then tell me the hadith h=which is it written from what book date year by who'm tell me, please explain. THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT YOU CAN'T. if you'd known better you would have never used the work bida'h because the prophet (S.A.W.W)or sahabi never used that word. You new generation people think you know everything, but you don't your just arrogant snobs
@guardali1 Who is your teacher. I want to know. I believe you got One teacher and his name was Mr. Alabany who has himself has got only one brother in islam that was Abdul al wahab. Check on Christians they don't criticize each other but unitedly beating YOUR BUTTS... so shut up and leave sufis alone
@guardali1 dont eat it is bida, don't walk it is bida, don't run it is bida, don't laugh it is bida, don't bath it is bida, don't talk it is bida, don't surf it is bida, don't do job it is bida, dont eat it is bida, don't cry it is bida ................... All bida
وذر الذين اتخذوا دينهم لعبا ولهوا وغرتهم الحياة الدنيا وذكر به أن تبسل نفس بما كسبت ليس لها من دون الله ولي ولا شفيع وإن تعدل كل عدل لا يؤخذ منها أولئك الذين أبسلوا بما كسبوا لهم شراب من حميم وعذاب أليم بما كانوا يكفرون
masha Allah S78 jazaakallahu khair thanks for posting that hadith...a sound hadith....may Allah guide those who seek his true guidance...allahu musta'an
Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/79): 'Amr ibn Salmah said: "We used to sit by the door of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the Morning Prayer, so that when he came out we would walk with him to the mosque. (one day) Abu Moosaa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, "Has Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan come out yet?"" We replied, "No." So he sat down with us until he came out.
When he came out, we all stood along with him, so Abu Moosaa said to him, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! I have just seen something in the mosque which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allah, I did not see anything except good." He enquired, "Then what is it?" (Abu Moosaa) replied, "If you live you will see it. I saw in the mosque people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say 'repeat Allahu Akbar a hundred times.'
Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) replied,"Would that you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!" Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, "What is this which I see you doing?" They replied, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh." He said, "Count up your evil deeds.
your evil deeds. I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad! How quickly you go to destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet and who are widespread. There are his clothes which have not yet decayed and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a Religion better guided than the Religion of Muhammad or that you are opening the door of misguidance." They said, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! By Allah, we only
we only intended good." He said, "How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allah's Messenger said to us 'A people will recite the Qur'an but it will not pass beyond their throats.' By Allah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you." Then he left them.
Umar ibn Salmah (the sub-narrator) said: "We saw most of those people fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij." [Authenticated by Sh. Saleem al-Hilaalee in al-Bid'ah (pp. 26-29).]
The tragedy surrounding the Quran is that it was born out of the Dark Age, a period in history that is known for its superstitions, fallacies, and ignorance. Many verses in the Quran attest to this fact and cause problems among scholars and intellectuals. Perhaps for this cause Muslims are now re-writing the Quran to diverge (turn away) attentions from these superstitious beliefs. Surah 18:86 has changed from the sun setting in muddy spring of water to the sun appears to be setting in the sea
What's shared here is not Sufism, it's about the practice of a regional community, a culture- I'm not part of that community- I'm Turkish, and I don't know what culture that is. Besides, there's no nationalism in Islam- people shouldn't mix their culture with Islam- it looks ugly.
Sufism is a name given at a later date to the spiritual practices (Sunnah) of Rasulallah when these practices were beginning to decline among ummah.
Other examples of terms adopted at later stages are "tajwid", "fiqh" etc. Islam only allows room for Ijtihad if not against Islamic Shariah & Sunnah- otherwise it's HARAM. Giving false information about believers is also Haram. One cannot say all Muslims are "terrorists" or "deviant" by showing footages as "evidence". Islam must be seperated from primitive and/or modern culture.
MashaALLAH,SubhanALLAH,ALLAH-U-AKBAR,May ALLAH always keep us in the company of HIS loved ones & away from those who dont love our beloved Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) & Awliya ALLAH.because to love ALLAH-u have to love everyone & everything that HE loves.Ameen.
Allah is the judge. I ask that we as muslims respect eachother's differences. Indeed there are more important things to argue about. How can remembering Allah SwaT be a crime. Udhkurullaha hatta wa law annaka tabuul. Why not?!
selam aleykum .. ignore tham thay are just usual wahabiyyun .. read two sites ibn teymie and two sites muhamed ibn abd al wahab .. and think thay can Judge betwin Kafir and Mumin .. it is jahilia .. may Allah forgive tham amin.. as thay forgat there is going to be Judgmaint Day audhubilah.. just make du´a for tham my dear bro
It's a free world and the detractors of zikir and the Shaikh can say what they want, albeit how ignorant. The Shaikh devoted his whole life to Deen and Allah's zikir. Why is it that some people see fit to slag such a noble person?
Sufis must return to the position of chief influence in Islam they held until a couple of centuries ago. Wahhab and Salaf influence is destroying the religion.
There are alot more prooftexts where those came from. Still think your knowledge is superior to our Prophets? By the way, the "cultural war dance" was done in the Prophet's mosque while they were praising his (s) name. You wouldn't know real evidence if it were labeled EXHIBIT A.
Since Sufis (helariously)claim to be from Ahle-sunnah, show me a hadeeth where the prophet S.A.W. and his companions danced around the masjid saying Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu.
It's funny how in all of the books of the sunnah, your only "daleel", if we can call it that, is the story of Africans doing a cultural war dance on their holiday. If this was dhikr the prophet S.A.W. and companions did there would be REAL proof!!
It's disheartening to see some Muslims sardonically mock and condemn other Muslims for calling upon their Lord by a name (pronoun) He, Himself uses to describe Himself in the Qur'an in numerous ayat.
Sufi or not, if we're going to use your rationale, then I could say that my friends and I are going to get together, males and females, and do a rap-music breakdance while saying dhikr and playing musical instruments and this would be considered a righteous act. Have you all lost your brains?!!
The sad fact of the matter is: there are (true, sunni)sufis out there that don't agree with this nonsense. But then again, every generation has to have its bid'ah propagators.
.' Sahih Muslim, 1.282: 373 And if dancing is added to this standing, it may not be condemned, as it is of the joy of spiritual vision and ecstasy, and the Hadith exists(musnad al-imam ahmad, 1.108, with a hasan chain of transmission) that Ja`far ibn Abi Talib (RA) danced in front of the Prophet (SAW) when the Prophet (SAW) told him, 'You resemble me in looks and in character,' dancing from the happiness he felt from being thus addressed, and the Prophet did not condemn him for doing so,
Have some dignity: If your going to make a claim like that, you need to warrant it with some evidence. You think its ok to pass by, and say something and not have me stop you and make you back it up?
By the way I'm not a Sufi, I'm not a Naqshabandi, I am a Muslim who follows sound interpretations of the Quran and Sunnah of Al Habib Ullah Salallahu Alayi wa Salam. But, if come around trying to attack and be rude, believe me I will confront you dalils from the Ulama who are accepted by the so called Salafis.
Here r some more prooftexts to support the "Crazyness" THAT THE PROPHET APPROVED OF:
'I visited the Prophet with Ja`far and Zayd. The Prophet said to Zayd: "You are my freedman", whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet. The Prophet then said to Ja`far: "You resemble me in my creation and my manners", whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd. The Prophet then said to me: "You are part of me and I am part of you whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far."'
al-Nawawi said: Shaykh Abu 'Amr [Ibn al-Salâh] said: "It is no trivial matter to act according to the apparent meaning of what Imâm al-Shâfi said. FOR IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE for every faqîh LET ALONE A LAYMAN,TO ACT INDEPENDENTLY ON WHAT HE TAKES TO BE A PROOF FROM THE HADITH. SO, whoever among the Shâfi'îs finds a hadîth that contradicts his School must examine whether HE is absolutely accomplished (UNLIKE YOU AND ME) in all the disciplines of ijtihâd.
You say I have a problem with understanding AS YOU MISTAKENLY try to use Shafi's saying:"When a hadith is sahih, then that is my mazhab." to imply that If you find a sound hadith that goes against his opinion to abandon it for the hadith. LOL! Heres Nawawis commentary: What Imâm al-Shâfi'î said does not mean that EVERYONE who sees a sahîh hadîth should say "This is the madhhab of al-Shâfi...What he said most certainly applies only to such a person as has the rank of ijtihâd in the madhhab.
Al-Nawawî, al-Majm' Sharh al-Muhadhdhab (1:64), citing Ibn al-Salâh's Fatâwâ wa Masâ'il (1:54, 1:58-59). Cf. al-Tahânawî, I'lâ' al-Sunan (2:290-291). So you see YOU take hadiths and dont know what they really mean. I take my Islam from the Quran and Sunnah of Rasulullah SalaAllahu Alayhi wa Salam, but I take my interpretations from the trained scholars who know the contexts and histories of each hadith they use, unlike yourself who takes hadiths and dont even understand them.
Abû Nu`aym narrates this from Muh.ammad ibn `Abd al-Rah.mân ibn al-Fad.l, from Abû al-H.asan [Ah.mad ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-H.ârith] ibn al-Qattât [al-Mis.rî], from the thiqa Muh.ammad ibn Abî Yah.yâ, from the thiqa Imâm Yûnus ibn `Abdal-A`lâ, from the Imâm.
"If a rational man DOES NOT become a S.ûfî he does not reach noon except he is a idiot!"
Narrated from Yûnus ibn `Abd al-A`lâ by Abû Nu`aym, H.ilya (1985 ed. 9:142).
"A rational man does not become a S.ûfî except he reaches noon a idiot!"
Al-Bayhaqî narrates this from al-H.âkim, from Abû Muh.ammad Ja`far ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-H.ârith,from al-H.asan ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-D.ah.h.âk (IbnBah.r), BOTH OF UNKNOWN RELIABILITY.
Narrated by al-Bayhaqî, Manâqib (2:207) cf. Ibn al-Jawzî, S.ifat al-S.afwa (1:25) and Talbîs Iblîs (1985 ed. p. 447) and Ibn Taymiyya in his Istiqâma (p. 414).
But I thought you said "the Greek word "sophie" which became "sufi" is argued to have not existed yet during the time of Imam Syafi'i (rh)." So now you are attributing the use of the word sufi to him?
Not "sufi" but "tasawafa" and the important point to note is that Imam Syafii did not equate it with Islam or Islamic ibadah, thus if one exercise, one is an "idiot". Also, Syafii said: "It is a consensus among all humans that whosoever has been enlightened with a sunnah from the Prophet (saw), he is not allowed to abandon it for the opinion of someone among humans". (Ibn Qayyim al-Jauziyyah, 'Ilam al-Muwaqqi'iin, 2/263). "Someone" here includes himself and the Nazimites, i.e. Naqshbandis.
Say SalifiStar, did you not read that I provided evidence, that is a chain with all the reporters, for the hadith of Shafi'i you used is DAIF? Listen, if were going to have a discussion with me, you should read what I write, otherwise your waisting my time. Anyways, if you know anything about the Arabic language, then you know that sufi and tasawafa com from the same root sod-wow-fa, so you still provided evidence against your weak claim that sufi didn't exist in the time of Imam Shafi'i.
About Imam Shafi's saying that "It is a consensus among all humans that whosoever has been enlightened with a sunnah from the Prophet S he is not allowed to abandon it for the opinion of someone among humans". CANT BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. I NEED CONTEXT. THERE ARE SIMILAR STATEMENTS THAT IMAM SHAFI SAID WHEN SPEAKING TO HIS STUDENTS, WHO WHERE MUJTAHID IMAMS. IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE FOR A MUJTAHID TO TAKE AN IMAMS OPINION SINCE HE IS TRAINED TO TAKE STRAIGHT FROM THE QURAN AND SUNNAH! unlike us.
very simple! are suffis doing the thikr like the prophet(pbuh) taught us and his companions? if not then its not what Allah wanted. you sufi's will not know better than the friends of the prophet(pbuh) how to worhsip Allah.
I rather take Imam Shafi'i's opinion about the Sufis since he was knowledgable:
Imam al-Shafi`i said:
Be both a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them,
Verily, by Allah's truth, I am advising you sincerely.
[al-Shafi`i, Diwan, (Beirut and Damascus: Dar al-fikr) p. 47]
Look at it with your eyes, Inshallah they are not blind. More importantly if your eyes could see, and you still reject, inshallah its not because your heart is blind.
This translation cannot be taken at face value. The Arabic corruption of the Greek word "sophie" which became "sufi" is argued to have not existed yet during the time of Imam Syafi'i (rh). Provide the Arabic to the statement that you quoted that purportedly was uttered by Imam Syafi'i (rh).
I think that's where the problem is. I do not find GF Haddad to be a reliable reference. Besides, even if it is true, we are supposed to follow Rasulullah (saw), not a particular Imam. An Imam may only be referred to if what he said is ina ccordance with the Al-Quran and authentic Hadith.
Bukhari Book 4 Volume 52 Hadith 235 Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: We were in the company of Allah's Apostle (during Hajj). Whenever we went up a high place we used to say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and Allah is Greater," and our voices used to rise, so the Prophet said, "O people! Be merciful to yourselves (i.e. don't raise your voice), for you are not calling a deaf or an absent one, but One Who is with you, no doubt He is All-Hearer, ever Near (to all things)."
The Prophet SAAWS praised a man who wass loud in his dhikr, even when others censured him. Ahmad narrated with a good chain in his Musnad (4:159) from `Uqba ibn `Amir: "The Prophet said of a man named Dhu al-bijadayn: innahu awwah, He is a man who says AH a lot. This is because he was a man abundant in his dhikr of Allah in Qur'an-recitation, and he would raise his voice high when supplicating."
Brother.. I can see you will not agree and you will see that i hold Imaan in my view.
so we'l leave it as it is but i have one request that i have showed you proofs of why we do what we do through hadeeth so please refrain from calling it a bida' and Definately refrain from branding us doing Shirk as that is a very serious matter.
I Pray That Allah brings Guidance to You and Showers his blessings upon you.
I Pray that the Ummah is United and not split over minor issues. Let the Ummah Rise I.A
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
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abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement I ask the same of you akhi, and may Allah guide you and guide us all akhi i feel that you have a good heart. I also ask Allah to keep this ummah from splitting. Wa asalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
Abu Bakr as Siddiq whirled around because he was happy about Prophet Mohammad. Whats so hard to understand this ? i hate no-knowers who accuse Sufis for their form of worshipping which other muslims accept easily
Serkant75 10 months ago
i shall say WAHHABISM is BID´A since you define it so. It was AFTER the time of the prophet. They will burn in hell for misleading so many people
Serkant75 10 months ago
@Serkant75 One of the 99 names of Allah is Al-Wahhab ( the giver of all things) and Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhaab Al-Wasaabee was a reviver of the sunnah. You people yet deny that, /watch?v=YXTgBfvQVNg
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah Wahabism is not Islam. Wahabism is a Sect. They accept only what they know and they KNOW wrong ! dont tell me they live islam how it is supposed to. there is NO Rule to live ones religion. Only follow the way of the prophet. and if wahhabs were muslims, they would not fight against turks. i am turk and muslim ottomans fight for islam against the enemy and colonist state. Koran forbids Muslims to ally with non muslims against Muslim countries. Think about this instead.
Serkant75 10 months ago
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abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
See there you go again, there is no such thing as 'Wahabism' and the methodology of the salaf surely is not a sect and if Muslims disobey the way of Allah and his messenger SAW then you are allowed to shed their blood and you accept only what you believe because we follow what Allah has commanded and the way of the prophet SAW and companions in other words the Quran and the Sunnah. Jumping up and down and chanting out at the same time is not from the quran and the sunnah, it is indeed bid'ah
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
And now i have brought u a hadith in favour of celebration. lets be mature about this argument. now u bring me a hadith condemming the celebration of a birthday. U will not be able to dear Brother
the arguments you hold are baseless. u ask us for hadeeth we have provided one. now u provide us with one. you wont find one hadeeth condeming celebration in the form of ibaadah. not one. u wont find one hadeeth condemming celebration of birthday so good luck
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
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abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 40:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "If any one of you improve (follows strictly) his Islamic religion then his good deeds will be rewarded ten times to seven hundred times for each good deed and a bad deed will be recorded as it is."
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
Tell me in which narration did the prophet SAW jump up and down calling it Dhikr ? In which narration did the companions of the messenger SAW jump up and down calling it Dhikr? In which narration did the three generations jump up and down calling it Dhikr? And your 'Sheikh Nazim' said he will help you out in the trials of the grave by whispering you the answer?
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
By Allah.. the habashi Sahaba danced out of Love for Blessed Holy Prophet s.a.w
it is supported by riwaayah after riwaayah. to hear those riwaayahs . watch?v=UsuRSeHZtAM
And that is more proof from the hadith from the Sunnah.. now dear brother we have brought to you yet more hadeeth what are explicit in saying the sahaba were dancing out of love. i ask you to bring some explicit hadeeth saying 'dont dance out of love for prophet s.a.w' or to that extent.. u wont be able to.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: “Be different from the Jews and the Christians.” [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim] He (SAW) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” [Saheeh - Reported by Ahmad]
These two hadiths clearly state that the prophet SAW told us to be different from the Christians and Jews. The Christians celebrate the ISA AS birthday. So what makes you different from them?
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
It seems you have a problem with the terms Celebration and Birthday as if someone has drilled it into your head.
What if we use the terms.
We thank Allah for Bringing Muhammad saw into this Dunya as a blessing for us.. now you might want to know how we thank Allah. Well some poeple fast. some read salawaat and durood. Others read Quran.
See how simple it is and how big deal you make it. Uve been brainwashed bro
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
the innovation of celebrating the birthday of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam has no religious basis. Neither the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam nor any of his Companions or the followers did so. In fact, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “You must hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the four Rightly-Guided Caliphs – cling to it stubbornly. Beware of innovations, for every innovation is misguidance." (Abu Daawood, Tirmidhi).
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah ....Right.. now i dont know whether you have read the message i sent earlier or whether u have understood what i wrote.
I Showed you a Hadith implying That muhammad saww fasted on a monday.. when asked why. Prophet saww said because i was born on a monday. It is clear he was showing gratitude to Allah for his birth and how did he show gratitude?...By fasting which is ibaadah. We also show gratitude For the birth of muhammad saww..Which is Sunnah of muhammad saww. so ther you go.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement
The Prophet (salla'Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said, ".... I have left you upon clear guidance. Its night is like its day. No one deviates from it after me except that he is destroyed." Reported by Ahmad, Ibn Maajah (no. 43) and al-Haakim. It is declared saheeh by Shaikh al-Albaanee in as-Saheehah (no. 937).
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement Question: What is the ruling regarding celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (SAW and does the Prophet (SAW) attend (physically or spiritually)?
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah ...Well the simple question i have told you the view of my Sheikhs who have studied from sheikhs traceable to the prophet saww. And the opinion of the bloodline of prophet muhammad saw (sheikh Nazim) as celebrating birthday as Sunnah
Now if the Prophet saww is present.. it depends in what way.. We know through a strong hadeeth that if we send Salaam to the prophet saww Allah returns his soul and he returns the Salaam. And that is presence in one way.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement akhi, a minute ago you said i was the one who was being brainwashed? Read your comment and revise your answer. To be honest you believe what you believe and lets leave it at that because it seems none of my words are getting through to you.
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
Haha Bro...
we All know who you follow...Which is the Biggest Bida'. Our Scholars have been taught by scholars and the line can be traced back to tthe Prophet s.a.w and thats enough for us to hold imaan in everything we say... the scholars you follow and quote can only be traced back to Abdul Wahhab and no furher because Abdul Wahhab was self taught.
And thats where your fault is. and research that yourself, it is indeed true. May Allah guide you
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement We specifically the first three generations of Islaam in which the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) described as being the best generations of Muslims. The Prophet (SAW) and his Sahaabah (companions). The second, the Taabi'een (the followers of the companions). Thethird, the Tabaa'at-Taabi'een (the followers of the followers of the companions). And the students(scholars) who came after them. We do not just take knowledge from shaykh ul islaam mohammed ibn abdul wahhab.
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement No we take knowledge of all the rightly guided scholars such as: ibn hanbal, ash shafi'i, ibn malik, abu hanifa. Right down to ibn taymiyyah, ibn qayyim, ibn kathir, ibn hajar al asqalani, al qurtubi, al laalkae and many other scholar that are on the line of rightly guided students which goes down till this day.
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement Response: Respecting the Prophet (SAW) and honouring him is by believing in his mission and acting according to what he came with from Allaah. As for celebrating his birthday then it is an innovation, and it has been confirmed on the authority of the Prophet (SAW) that he said: Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours (i.e. Islam) that which is not from it, will have it rejected», [Sahih al-Bukhari/2697 and Sahih Muslim/1718].
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts
Head: Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez ibn Abdullaah ibn Baaz;
Deputy Head: Shaykh 'Abdur-Razzaaq 'Afeefee;
Member: Shaykh 'Abdullaah ibn Ghudayyaan;
Member: Shaykh 'Abdullaah Ibn Qu'ood
Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa.imah lil-Buhooth al-'Ilmiyyah wal-Iftaa. - Volume 3, Page 28, Question 1, Fatwa No. 4683
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@Serkant75 And there is no such thing as the golden chain, where the prophet SAW told Abubakr RA a secret in the the cave. It is like you are saying that the messenger of Allah SAW has hid from his ummah ( people ) nay, verily he did not. Allah SWT says in surah al-An'aam (6):37 "And we have not neglected anything from the book." he also says in surah nisa (4):80 And Allah SWT says: مَّن يُطِعِ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدۡ أَطَاعَ ٱللَّهَۖ "Whoever obeys the Messenger, Has obeyed Allah"
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
And Allah SWT says in Surah Al-Hashr(59):7, "Whatever the Messenger gives you, then take it and whatever he prohibits you, then stay away from it" and in Surah an- Nisa (4):113 he SWT says: "And Allah has revealed to you the book and the wisdom". So brother can it be said that the prophet SAW died while leaving something from Allah's chosen religion unexplained? Never! For the Prophet SAW made clear all the religion, be it by what he said, did or by his affirmation.
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah If it is for Allah, then loud dhikr is ok. What is wrong with loud dhikr? I am a Sufi and will never ever respect Abdul Wahhab. Until Judgement dAy. so its not your problem. WE do dhikr, we do hadra, we love Allah and his prophet. Rasulullah did not forbid when people got inspired and whirled around with compassion. Abu Bakr Siddik also whirled around. Sufis NEVER do something against SUnnah.
Serkant75 10 months ago
@Serkant75 Sufis never do something against the sunnah? i would like to see a narration from that to prove your argument and also i was warning you from using the phrase "wahabbis" and if what i sent was not enough for you to comprehend then whomsoever Allah guides non can misguide and whosoever Allah misguides (i.e) due to the person being disobedient then non can guide.
And Allah SWT knows best.
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@Serkant75 and get me the narration of AbuBakr as-siddiq wirling around.
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah he was happy about prophet Muhammad and Allah so he whirled around three times it is said. MOhammad let him be, and was consent with him
Serkant75 10 months ago
@Serkant75 Which book did you get this from ?
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah open your heart and listen to this brother: ne day when Prophet (s) was giving a Friday sermon, a Bedouin came and said, “Ya RasulAllah (s), when will the Day of Judgement occur?” Prophet (s) did not answer the Bedouin and remained silent for some time. So the Bedouin asked again, but again Prophet (s) did not answer. After a period of time the Bedouin asked his question for a third time. Immediately, the Angel Gabriel appeared before the Holy Prophet (s) and said...
Serkant75 10 months ago
@Serkant75 That does not explain anything about the twirling around.
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah Sorry that is Sheikh Muhammed ibn Abdul-Wahhab Al-Tammimi.
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
u Asked for the hadeeth...In a Hadith narrated by Abu Qatada Ansari (rad), Allah's Messenger (SAW) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: ‘It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me.’ (Muslim, Book 6, No. 2606). It is clear from this Hadith that the Prophet (SAW) fasted on the day of his birth out of gratitude. Fasting is a form of worship, so one can fast or hold gatherings or provide food to the poor, all being acts of worship.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement The hadeeth indicates the importance of Monday not the Birthday. Also, if celebrating the birthday of the prophet (SAW) was a sunnah the best of the Sahabah (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali) and all the rest of the noble Companions may ALLAH be pleased with them all, would be the first to do it, as there is no one who followed the sunnah of the prophet (SAW) as much as they did. So if you have any valid proof to do so, let us all read it.
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah Right, the hadeeth i quoted about fasting on monday. u said it stresses the importance of the day monday. that is tafsir of hadith and to do that you have to be a sheikh. 1. From what sheikh did u get a Tafsir. 2. Use your own intelligence and ask yourself why would the day monday be better than other days. We know friday is the Best day because of Jummah and various other reasons. Because of Jummah Friday is important. And Monday is important bcuz of prophet muhammad saw birthday
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi).
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement
Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) had warned them from exaggeration, he said: “Do not exaggerate me, as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say 'the slave of Allah and Messenger of Allah” [Saheeh Bukharee]
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
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abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
In what way are we immitating the Jews and Christians. 1. Ask yourself what the christians and Jews did wrong. if you dont know i'll tell you. the prescribed partners to Allah.....
Whoe ever does that is wrong but earlier i showed u a hadith where the prophet saw guarantees no sect of his ummah will do Shirk.. We hold imaan on Surah Ikhlas AND Towheed. so this hadith is baseless in this argument. we do not do Shirk brother and do not imply that we do so.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@zarfanhussain
Don't bother watching.
That guy on /watch?v=Kmj-sDIdI4U is barely out of his nappies!
How can he comment on the 1500-year long (that is Fifteen Hundred) unbroken traditional practice of the Tariaq Naqshbandia?
PureHeartMultimedia 1 year ago
Christiane Amanpour had an excellent town meeting on ABC's This Week today about Islamophobia. The discussion got very heated. There were representatives of the 911 victim families, Daisy Khan, Franklin Graham, and others on the panel. We need to have this discussion. Better to have it all out in the open. It may still be at ABC's website.
shabaash 1 year ago
@GnosticReality
yet you still dont explain to me. WHO CAME UP WITHTHE WORD BIDA'!
chaosdbzmaster 1 year ago
@chaosdbzmaster In 1919 Abdul Aziz Bin Saud did when he helped the British Kuffars help abolish the Calipha, this was the beginning of the word “Bidah” and the Whabi Saudi alliance started it. Since then, Islam has seen nothing but problems.
IndiaDeMaDePuddi 1 year ago
@IndiaDeMaDePuddi
heh very bad king, i know for a fact it was mentioned in the Hadith, but i was referring to the missuse of the word bidatt. But you explained it so yeh thanks
chaosdbzmaster 1 year ago
All this screaming and yelling about unimportant matters, dressing in funny medieval clothing, endless disputing...and you are surprised why non-muslims are having a hard time tolerating Islam and muslims? Islam desperately needs a reformation and enlightenment in order to come into modern times. Liberate your women! Let them dress as they want to, and don't tell me they want to dress in shrouds of the dead. Islam was once a great religion and civilization, but it isn't nowadays.
shabaash 1 year ago
@shabaash
I agree that Islam is not, at present, the great civilization that it once was.
However, it got to be that way in the past by correct adherence to the Sharia (divinely revealed laws) which promote a balanced society.
Nowadays, secular materialism has overcome faith, and eroded respect for humanity, and we are left with mistrust.
By the way, Muslims wear turbans to REMIND themselves that they will die soon and meet God on Judgement Day.
The turban IS the burial shroud.
PureHeartMultimedia 1 year ago
@shabaash
only in some countries
chaosdbzmaster 1 year ago
@shabaash
u ignorant prick know what youre talkin about before u start makin assumptions
MrJamz1989 1 year ago
@MrJamz1989 In fact I know very well what I am talking about since I have been studying the world's religions in depth for many, many years. Anyone who has the disrespect to refer to me as an ignorant prick in any case deserves no further attention. I leave you to your own benighted sect.
shabaash 1 year ago
@shabaash why do we have to become modern so our women wear clothing that show their shape or clothing thats shows her skin what happened to shyness and respect for ones self and we do not treat our women as slaves, our women choose to be like this for the sake of their lord, the lord of the heavens and earth and all that surrounds us because he commanded so. Jumping around shouting out in the masjid and celebrating the birthday of the prophet SAW is bid'ah who did this 'shayk' study from?
abutaymiyyah 10 months ago
@abutaymiyyah
Muhammad S.a.w.w celebrated his own birthday every monday by fasting. as was once said in a hadeeth.
Fasting is a type of ibaadah.. Zikr is also a type of Ibaadah so celebrating the prophet s.a.w birthday is Sunnah of Holy Prophet s.a.w and it should be done by some form of ibaadah.. at this point i should also make clear that even breathing in the way of Allah.. Is Ibaadah.
Celebrating the Birthday isnt bidah.. and if so bring me one single hadith condemming the celebration.
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@TheIslamicMovement first of all tell me when the prophet SAW celebrated his birthday or which sahaba celebrated the prophet SAW birthday and bring me a authentic hadeeth as your proof.
abutaymiyyah 9 months ago
@shabaash well ok it is not great anymore because of our low life leaders. they killed the kings and sultans and set up DEmoncratic people instead, living of the peoples wealth. And fought against the religion...
Serkant75 10 months ago
@shabaash
Let me make something very clear. Our Women are the jems, the jewels, the gold in our life. You keep the most precious things to you covered. your precious things may be money.. may be jewels. the most precious things to us is our women. Their clothes are their Self Respect from their Lord.
Whereas women what wear what they please as in the west.. are used solely for material gain. in the adverts, on the bilboards just as a selling point,.. Islam gave women RIGHTS FROM DAY 1
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@shabaash ...And one more thing...
Every Muslim knows that from their beginning till their end.. what is said by their most beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w.w and what is written in the Quran does not need to be changed and it never will be changed. Islam does not need reformation. Islam does not need enlightenment. When the world was in darkness. Islam came as The Light... Rather the poeple of this world need to reflect back onto Islam.. Study Islam. And implement Islam.. For peace. For unity
TheIslamicMovement 9 months ago
@shabaash you stupid man may ALLAH forgive you
dawood1979 9 months ago
All of this bickering and nitpicking is why I will never subscribe to one of the Abrahamic religions. Religion is about a person's relationship with the transcendent and nothing more. All the rest is MAN MADE LAWS. There are no revealed texts from God because there is no God in the form of a human being. The laws we are dealing with are the laws of nature and the universe. WE create our ethical and moral systems not some bearded old man in heaven.
shabaash 1 year ago
@shabaash Interesting!
Bearded old man in heaven.
When did Islam ever say that?
You are right. God's revelations did NOT take the form of texts.
The revelations to Prophets WERE written down by us human beings.
God didn't send books falling out of the sky.
PureHeartMultimedia 1 year ago 3
this is typical Sheik Hisham Alhamdulillah
Straight at the salafi's
CUT...............
Proud to be Naqshbandi
Allah Hu, Allah Hu ,Allah Hu Haqq....
naqsh96 1 year ago
@GnosticReality calm down bro. abu bakr, umar, uthman, and ali r.a loved him s.a.w a lot more than u did and they didnt celebrate it. are u saying they hated him? astaghfirullahi ya rab! may He forgive you and guide u.
guardali1 1 year ago
@GnosticReality
:) Yeah, glad you are having a good time.
minute1981 1 year ago
@GnosticReality
LOL all you want, suuposedly pure heart. There's no wahhabis but sunnah folowers,, if you hate following the sunnah so much.. so be it. We don't hate thikr, that's just a wish of you and your kind. Assalam Alaikum, may Allah guide you and me and all of us to the right path and that is by following the PROPHET's example not what you love *desire* to follow.
minute1981 1 year ago
how can you say "justify zina or pork"? that is very bad. Do you knw that Saidina Abu Bakar is in the salasilah? and Rasullullah SAW says "you may follow 3 generation after me - sahabah, tabiee, tabieen".. and yet you follow Ibnu Taymiyyah. You may also look, that the salafi is trying to make ppl obey the shariah rules, but it is not happening. But the shaykh is successful, coz he is teaching what Rasullullah had done the first 13 years - 'having a good relationship with Allah'!
helix 1 year ago
how can you say the shaykhs will justify "zina or pork"? That is very bad.. remember that Saidina Abu Bakar As-Siddiq is in the salasilah.. and Rasullullah SAW says that you can follow "3 generation after me - Sahabah, Tabiee, and Tabieen".... yet you follow Ibnu Taymiyah.
helix 1 year ago
Bakar As-Siddiq will not be in the salasilah.. besides that, one think that the shaykhs do making sure all the tariqah members have close relation will Allah... does the salafi ulama do that? what they want to do is making sure ppl are obeying ONLY the rules... (which is not happening... most ppl are not obeying rules) why? coz not having good relation with Allah SWT.
helix 1 year ago
Beautiful!!!!!
slazzerc 1 year ago 2
You people are wierd, you call your selves Ahl al Hadeeth yet you are the first to discard a hadeeth when there is a doubt of it being weak in narration. The classical scholars of the salaf have stated that it is permissible to act upon a weak hadeeth as long as it is not used as a fiqh daleel. The status of dha'eef is only for fiqh and not for thawaab.
kh4n5 1 year ago
group gatherings and loud dhikr is bid'a. if someone devotes their lives to it, of course they will feel compelled to justify it via twisting the meanings of ahadith. may Allah guide those who are sincere in being guided,
guardali1 2 years ago
@guardali1 I think you will find that YOUR MENTAL CONDITIONING is the REAL bid'a.
Loud Dhikr in Jamat is a centuries-old tradition.
Calling it unacceptable is the bid'a.
PureHeartMultimedia 2 years ago
centuries-old? it doesnt matter if it's MILLENNIUMS old! the sahaba clearly did not approve it, and rasoolullah s.a.w never did it. thats your problem, u think just because something was innovated 2 or 10 centuries ago, its justified and its good. listen man, if the shiyookh want to justify zina or pork, theyll do it in a jiffy by twisting the meaning of ahadith. may Allah guide you and me. i sory im coming off as offensive. please forgive me.
guardali1 2 years ago
@guardali1 Go your OWN way. You know better than all of us.
PureHeartMultimedia 2 years ago 3
@PureHeartMultimedia i was gona say the same thing. dont steal my words u naughty sheikh. omg youre cool. <3
guardali1 1 year ago
@guardali1 show me single hadith where suhaba (ra) didn't approved the loud dhikr. 2nd why you put your own opinion in Suhabah's mouth. what kind of Islam do you know? You are like a lost soul. See the face of this person and compare it with your own, you will see who is liar. Just see the mirror
ispectra 1 year ago
@ispectra bid'a!
guardali1 1 year ago
@guardali1
are you crazy because if you know so much, then tell me the hadith h=which is it written from what book date year by who'm tell me, please explain. THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT YOU CAN'T. if you'd known better you would have never used the work bida'h because the prophet (S.A.W.W)or sahabi never used that word. You new generation people think you know everything, but you don't your just arrogant snobs
chaosdbzmaster 1 year ago
@PureHeartMultimedia well said! LOLLLLLLLLLL!
TheMrvivaro 1 year ago
@guardali1 what is meaning of bida? you online Mufti?
ispectra 1 year ago
@ispectra if youre gona call me an online mufti, dont put a question mark after it.
guardali1 1 year ago
@guardali1 Who is your teacher. I want to know. I believe you got One teacher and his name was Mr. Alabany who has himself has got only one brother in islam that was Abdul al wahab. Check on Christians they don't criticize each other but unitedly beating YOUR BUTTS... so shut up and leave sufis alone
ispectra 1 year ago
@ispectra bid'a!
guardali1 1 year ago
@guardali1 dont eat it is bida, don't walk it is bida, don't run it is bida, don't laugh it is bida, don't bath it is bida, don't talk it is bida, don't surf it is bida, don't do job it is bida, dont eat it is bida, don't cry it is bida ................... All bida
ispectra 1 year ago
.NONNBELIVORS MUST READ
ishtiaq66 2 years ago
its totally true,
PSBCHBOYZ 2 years ago 6
وذر الذين اتخذوا دينهم لعبا ولهوا وغرتهم الحياة الدنيا وذكر به أن تبسل نفس بما كسبت ليس لها من دون الله ولي ولا شفيع وإن تعدل كل عدل لا يؤخذ منها أولئك الذين أبسلوا بما كسبوا لهم شراب من حميم وعذاب أليم بما كانوا يكفرون
Jaree70mas0 2 years ago
Şeyh Nazim Kıbrısi....
evrah 2 years ago
masha Allah S78 jazaakallahu khair thanks for posting that hadith...a sound hadith....may Allah guide those who seek his true guidance...allahu musta'an
isaahmed1 2 years ago 3
Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/79): 'Amr ibn Salmah said: "We used to sit by the door of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the Morning Prayer, so that when he came out we would walk with him to the mosque. (one day) Abu Moosaa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, "Has Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan come out yet?"" We replied, "No." So he sat down with us until he came out.
S78 2 years ago 3
When he came out, we all stood along with him, so Abu Moosaa said to him, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! I have just seen something in the mosque which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allah, I did not see anything except good." He enquired, "Then what is it?" (Abu Moosaa) replied, "If you live you will see it. I saw in the mosque people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say 'repeat Allahu Akbar a hundred times.'
S78 2 years ago 3
Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) replied,"Would that you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!" Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, "What is this which I see you doing?" They replied, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh." He said, "Count up your evil deeds.
S78 2 years ago
your evil deeds. I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad! How quickly you go to destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet and who are widespread. There are his clothes which have not yet decayed and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a Religion better guided than the Religion of Muhammad or that you are opening the door of misguidance." They said, "O Abu 'Abd ar-Rahmaan! By Allah, we only
S78 2 years ago
we only intended good." He said, "How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allah's Messenger said to us 'A people will recite the Qur'an but it will not pass beyond their throats.' By Allah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you." Then he left them.
Umar ibn Salmah (the sub-narrator) said: "We saw most of those people fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij." [Authenticated by Sh. Saleem al-Hilaalee in al-Bid'ah (pp. 26-29).]
S78 2 years ago 2
Wer ist dieser Scheichk? Oder welche Tarikat ist das?
AnsarYasin 2 years ago
Das ist Seyh Hisham Kabbani der Schüler von Seyh Nazim.Das ist die Naksibendi Tarikat.
Ungaua 2 years ago
ALLAHUAKBAR!!!!!!!
hafiidz3 2 years ago
Show us that sahaba, the best first three generations in Islam - understood those hadiths on the way how you are understanding, "shaikh" Kabbani.
Amco86 2 years ago
subhan Allah macht die Augen auf...
und bestätigt nicht alles ohne wissen..
AbdulMuhaymin1 2 years ago
Masha'allah
fareedfilms 2 years ago
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The tragedy surrounding the Quran is that it was born out of the Dark Age, a period in history that is known for its superstitions, fallacies, and ignorance. Many verses in the Quran attest to this fact and cause problems among scholars and intellectuals. Perhaps for this cause Muslims are now re-writing the Quran to diverge (turn away) attentions from these superstitious beliefs. Surah 18:86 has changed from the sun setting in muddy spring of water to the sun appears to be setting in the sea
123dsj123 2 years ago
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DUMB SUFI CANT EXPLAIN ANYTHING!
wataG 2 years ago
LOL , I agree...
Randeezy72 2 years ago
allahuekber
pretikosa 2 years ago 2
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I'm Sufi.
What's shared here is not Sufism, it's about the practice of a regional community, a culture- I'm not part of that community- I'm Turkish, and I don't know what culture that is. Besides, there's no nationalism in Islam- people shouldn't mix their culture with Islam- it looks ugly.
Sufism is a name given at a later date to the spiritual practices (Sunnah) of Rasulallah when these practices were beginning to decline among ummah.
AnaMurida 2 years ago
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Other examples of terms adopted at later stages are "tajwid", "fiqh" etc. Islam only allows room for Ijtihad if not against Islamic Shariah & Sunnah- otherwise it's HARAM. Giving false information about believers is also Haram. One cannot say all Muslims are "terrorists" or "deviant" by showing footages as "evidence". Islam must be seperated from primitive and/or modern culture.
AnaMurida 2 years ago
Wth? this is pathetic! astaghfurAllah
Hamsawii 3 years ago
MashaALLAH,SubhanALLAH,ALLAH-U-AKBAR,May ALLAH always keep us in the company of HIS loved ones & away from those who dont love our beloved Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) & Awliya ALLAH.because to love ALLAH-u have to love everyone & everything that HE loves.Ameen.
JazakALLAH-u-khair brother.Wassalam
peerbaghdadi11 3 years ago
those people who are against any form of zikhr are shaytan.
come2reality 3 years ago
ess alejkum
are we all think we are AL-HALIM,or we know who is it,
HE is only ONE
AL-AHIR
eshedu 3 years ago
Allah is the judge. I ask that we as muslims respect eachother's differences. Indeed there are more important things to argue about. How can remembering Allah SwaT be a crime. Udhkurullaha hatta wa law annaka tabuul. Why not?!
lateefun 3 years ago
You are Mubtadi...
SecretID 3 years ago
Shaytan...go to hell!!!
You are Mubtadi
SecretID 3 years ago
"qawm" is like site or place , not gathering people who singing.
loaina 3 years ago
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what a shaytaan
AbulQadisiyya 3 years ago
who the hell are u to jugde
are u Allah.... NO I DONT THINK SO!!
IF U THINK THAT LEAVE IT BETWEEN HIM AND ALLAH
so keep ur stupid comments to yourself
dont like it move on mate!!!!
mujaid1 3 years ago 3
mujaid1@
selam aleykum .. ignore tham thay are just usual wahabiyyun .. read two sites ibn teymie and two sites muhamed ibn abd al wahab .. and think thay can Judge betwin Kafir and Mumin .. it is jahilia .. may Allah forgive tham amin.. as thay forgat there is going to be Judgmaint Day audhubilah.. just make du´a for tham my dear bro
NajmaddinKubra 3 years ago 3
You call him a shaytaan y do u call him shaytaan, Ya kathaab ya 7aqeer?
palo4lyf 2 years ago
subhan allah, allah allah
minhaju2cool 3 years ago
It's a free world and the detractors of zikir and the Shaikh can say what they want, albeit how ignorant. The Shaikh devoted his whole life to Deen and Allah's zikir. Why is it that some people see fit to slag such a noble person?
uel786 3 years ago
MAY aLLAH HELP ME IM SO CONFUSED, WHO DO WE BELIEVE???????????
prednisolon 3 years ago
ill be more then happy to help but please clarify your question
reyy619 3 years ago
in terms of zikhr, bida or not bida?
prednisolon 3 years ago
he just excplained that it aint bidah
reyy619 3 years ago
Sufis must return to the position of chief influence in Islam they held until a couple of centuries ago. Wahhab and Salaf influence is destroying the religion.
shabaash 3 years ago 20
@shabaash
really? who are wahhabis? Mohammed bin Abdul Wahhab is merely a sunnah reviver. :) Read, read and read...
minute1981 1 year ago
MASHA ALLAH
alsaqof 3 years ago
mashaAllah..
muhammadalattas 3 years ago
super alhamdulillah I wish I will join with them
naquibmahmood 3 years ago
Bism'illah, take a look at SufiLive website for many more recent video sohbets by Shaykh Hisham
PureHeartMultimedia 3 years ago
There are alot more prooftexts where those came from. Still think your knowledge is superior to our Prophets? By the way, the "cultural war dance" was done in the Prophet's mosque while they were praising his (s) name. You wouldn't know real evidence if it were labeled EXHIBIT A.
sumayyah1771 3 years ago 2
Since Sufis (helariously)claim to be from Ahle-sunnah, show me a hadeeth where the prophet S.A.W. and his companions danced around the masjid saying Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu,Hu.
It's funny how in all of the books of the sunnah, your only "daleel", if we can call it that, is the story of Africans doing a cultural war dance on their holiday. If this was dhikr the prophet S.A.W. and companions did there would be REAL proof!!
aikisilat 3 years ago
Did you worship at Fajr this morning, bro?
ru4fr 3 years ago
It's disheartening to see some Muslims sardonically mock and condemn other Muslims for calling upon their Lord by a name (pronoun) He, Himself uses to describe Himself in the Qur'an in numerous ayat.
sumayyah1771 3 years ago
instead of ridiculing other's ways of worshipping Allah, analyse and ridicule yourself. Respect people's religions the Prophet p.b.u.h said!
erum7451 3 years ago 3
Sufi or not, if we're going to use your rationale, then I could say that my friends and I are going to get together, males and females, and do a rap-music breakdance while saying dhikr and playing musical instruments and this would be considered a righteous act. Have you all lost your brains?!!
The sad fact of the matter is: there are (true, sunni)sufis out there that don't agree with this nonsense. But then again, every generation has to have its bid'ah propagators.
aikisilat 3 years ago
Hmm! You might spark the interest of a few people who were not interested before that!
And if ONE converted it may be as if the WHOLE WORLD converted!
"Definitely Actions are judged by their intentions." (Bukhari)
PureHeartMultimedia 3 years ago
.' Sahih Muslim, 1.282: 373 And if dancing is added to this standing, it may not be condemned, as it is of the joy of spiritual vision and ecstasy, and the Hadith exists(musnad al-imam ahmad, 1.108, with a hasan chain of transmission) that Ja`far ibn Abi Talib (RA) danced in front of the Prophet (SAW) when the Prophet (SAW) told him, 'You resemble me in looks and in character,' dancing from the happiness he felt from being thus addressed, and the Prophet did not condemn him for doing so,
sumayyah1771 3 years ago
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You sufis can use all the "references" and ulema of the past, you still cant justify the crazyness you do.
aikisilat 3 years ago
Have some dignity: If your going to make a claim like that, you need to warrant it with some evidence. You think its ok to pass by, and say something and not have me stop you and make you back it up?
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
By the way I'm not a Sufi, I'm not a Naqshabandi, I am a Muslim who follows sound interpretations of the Quran and Sunnah of Al Habib Ullah Salallahu Alayi wa Salam. But, if come around trying to attack and be rude, believe me I will confront you dalils from the Ulama who are accepted by the so called Salafis.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago 4
remembrace of ALLAH(SWT) is crazy? subhanallah.
zeemania786 3 years ago 3
Here r some more prooftexts to support the "Crazyness" THAT THE PROPHET APPROVED OF:
'I visited the Prophet with Ja`far and Zayd. The Prophet said to Zayd: "You are my freedman", whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet. The Prophet then said to Ja`far: "You resemble me in my creation and my manners", whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd. The Prophet then said to me: "You are part of me and I am part of you whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far."'
sumayyah1771 3 years ago
al-Nawawi said: Shaykh Abu 'Amr [Ibn al-Salâh] said: "It is no trivial matter to act according to the apparent meaning of what Imâm al-Shâfi said. FOR IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE for every faqîh LET ALONE A LAYMAN,TO ACT INDEPENDENTLY ON WHAT HE TAKES TO BE A PROOF FROM THE HADITH. SO, whoever among the Shâfi'îs finds a hadîth that contradicts his School must examine whether HE is absolutely accomplished (UNLIKE YOU AND ME) in all the disciplines of ijtihâd.
Al-Nawawî, al-Majm' Sharh al-Muhadhdhab
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
(UNLIKE YOU AND ME) is my words not al Nawawis or Ibn Salah
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
You say I have a problem with understanding AS YOU MISTAKENLY try to use Shafi's saying:"When a hadith is sahih, then that is my mazhab." to imply that If you find a sound hadith that goes against his opinion to abandon it for the hadith. LOL! Heres Nawawis commentary: What Imâm al-Shâfi'î said does not mean that EVERYONE who sees a sahîh hadîth should say "This is the madhhab of al-Shâfi...What he said most certainly applies only to such a person as has the rank of ijtihâd in the madhhab.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
Al-Nawawî, al-Majm' Sharh al-Muhadhdhab (1:64), citing Ibn al-Salâh's Fatâwâ wa Masâ'il (1:54, 1:58-59). Cf. al-Tahânawî, I'lâ' al-Sunan (2:290-291). So you see YOU take hadiths and dont know what they really mean. I take my Islam from the Quran and Sunnah of Rasulullah SalaAllahu Alayhi wa Salam, but I take my interpretations from the trained scholars who know the contexts and histories of each hadith they use, unlike yourself who takes hadiths and dont even understand them.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
Abû Nu`aym narrates this from Muh.ammad ibn `Abd al-Rah.mân ibn al-Fad.l, from Abû al-H.asan [Ah.mad ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-H.ârith] ibn al-Qattât [al-Mis.rî], from the thiqa Muh.ammad ibn Abî Yah.yâ, from the thiqa Imâm Yûnus ibn `Abdal-A`lâ, from the Imâm.
"If a rational man DOES NOT become a S.ûfî he does not reach noon except he is a idiot!"
Narrated from Yûnus ibn `Abd al-A`lâ by Abû Nu`aym, H.ilya (1985 ed. 9:142).
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
A contrary (and DAIF) version reads:
"A rational man does not become a S.ûfî except he reaches noon a idiot!"
Al-Bayhaqî narrates this from al-H.âkim, from Abû Muh.ammad Ja`far ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-H.ârith,from al-H.asan ibn Muh.ammad ibn al-D.ah.h.âk (IbnBah.r), BOTH OF UNKNOWN RELIABILITY.
Narrated by al-Bayhaqî, Manâqib (2:207) cf. Ibn al-Jawzî, S.ifat al-S.afwa (1:25) and Talbîs Iblîs (1985 ed. p. 447) and Ibn Taymiyya in his Istiqâma (p. 414).
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
Lol the biggest and greatest names of islaam where suffis what a stupid thing 2 say
palo4lyf 2 years ago
But I thought you said "the Greek word "sophie" which became "sufi" is argued to have not existed yet during the time of Imam Syafi'i (rh)." So now you are attributing the use of the word sufi to him?
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
Not "sufi" but "tasawafa" and the important point to note is that Imam Syafii did not equate it with Islam or Islamic ibadah, thus if one exercise, one is an "idiot". Also, Syafii said: "It is a consensus among all humans that whosoever has been enlightened with a sunnah from the Prophet (saw), he is not allowed to abandon it for the opinion of someone among humans". (Ibn Qayyim al-Jauziyyah, 'Ilam al-Muwaqqi'iin, 2/263). "Someone" here includes himself and the Nazimites, i.e. Naqshbandis.
SalafiStar 3 years ago
Say SalifiStar, did you not read that I provided evidence, that is a chain with all the reporters, for the hadith of Shafi'i you used is DAIF? Listen, if were going to have a discussion with me, you should read what I write, otherwise your waisting my time. Anyways, if you know anything about the Arabic language, then you know that sufi and tasawafa com from the same root sod-wow-fa, so you still provided evidence against your weak claim that sufi didn't exist in the time of Imam Shafi'i.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
About Imam Shafi's saying that "It is a consensus among all humans that whosoever has been enlightened with a sunnah from the Prophet S he is not allowed to abandon it for the opinion of someone among humans". CANT BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. I NEED CONTEXT. THERE ARE SIMILAR STATEMENTS THAT IMAM SHAFI SAID WHEN SPEAKING TO HIS STUDENTS, WHO WHERE MUJTAHID IMAMS. IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE FOR A MUJTAHID TO TAKE AN IMAMS OPINION SINCE HE IS TRAINED TO TAKE STRAIGHT FROM THE QURAN AND SUNNAH! unlike us.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
very simple! are suffis doing the thikr like the prophet(pbuh) taught us and his companions? if not then its not what Allah wanted. you sufi's will not know better than the friends of the prophet(pbuh) how to worhsip Allah.
oelhayek 3 years ago
I rather take Imam Shafi'i's opinion about the Sufis since he was knowledgable:
Imam al-Shafi`i said:
Be both a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them,
Verily, by Allah's truth, I am advising you sincerely.
[al-Shafi`i, Diwan, (Beirut and Damascus: Dar al-fikr) p. 47]
Look at it with your eyes, Inshallah they are not blind. More importantly if your eyes could see, and you still reject, inshallah its not because your heart is blind.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
This translation cannot be taken at face value. The Arabic corruption of the Greek word "sophie" which became "sufi" is argued to have not existed yet during the time of Imam Syafi'i (rh). Provide the Arabic to the statement that you quoted that purportedly was uttered by Imam Syafi'i (rh).
SalafiStar 3 years ago
I dont have the Arabic. What I have is a transliteration:
Faqîhan wa-s.ufiyyan fakun laysa wâh.idan
fa'innî wa-h.aqqillâhi iyyâka ans.ah.u
Fadhâlika qâsin lam yadhuq qalbuhu tuqan
wahâdhâ jahûlun kayfa dhûl-jahli yas.luh.u
(Al Shafi'i and Tasawwuf, GF Haddad)
and a citation, which gives you the freedom to look it up yourself.
[al-Shafi`i, Diwan, (Beirut and Damascus: Dar al-fikr) p. 47]
You'll have to argue against Imam Shafi'i's statement.
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago
I think that's where the problem is. I do not find GF Haddad to be a reliable reference. Besides, even if it is true, we are supposed to follow Rasulullah (saw), not a particular Imam. An Imam may only be referred to if what he said is ina ccordance with the Al-Quran and authentic Hadith.
SalafiStar 3 years ago
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Bukhari Book 4 Volume 52 Hadith 235 Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: We were in the company of Allah's Apostle (during Hajj). Whenever we went up a high place we used to say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and Allah is Greater," and our voices used to rise, so the Prophet said, "O people! Be merciful to yourselves (i.e. don't raise your voice), for you are not calling a deaf or an absent one, but One Who is with you, no doubt He is All-Hearer, ever Near (to all things)."
yunis170690 3 years ago
The Prophet SAAWS praised a man who wass loud in his dhikr, even when others censured him. Ahmad narrated with a good chain in his Musnad (4:159) from `Uqba ibn `Amir: "The Prophet said of a man named Dhu al-bijadayn: innahu awwah, He is a man who says AH a lot. This is because he was a man abundant in his dhikr of Allah in Qur'an-recitation, and he would raise his voice high when supplicating."
mrdhikrbeads 3 years ago