ALLAH HAS MADE IT CLEAR IF YOU SAY JESUS IS GOD , OR WORSHIP HIM, OR OTHERS . THEN ALLAH WILL MAKE THE FIRE OF HELL YOUR ETERNAL HOME. CAN YOU IMAGINE FOREVER. IMAGINE YOUR FLOATING IN SPACE FOREVER HOW LONG CAN YOU BARE IT. THIS IS WITHOUT ANY TORTURE SO IMAGINE BEING IN A CAVERN SEARING HOT FIRE . I SUGGEST YOU LEARN TRUTH OF ISLAM URSELF NOT WHAT SOME1 TELLS YOU. ULL SEE HOW MANY LIES PPL SAY ABOUT ISLAM. PPL WILL FIGHT THERE PARENTS FOR MAKING THEM XTIAN IN HELL LEARN TRUTH URSELF...
I would love to see this guy debate William Lane Craig about the 'truth' of the bible and what 'biblical historians' have to say about the reality of what happened 2000 years ago. This is a great lecture.
@UPplRSick Actually, Dr Ehrman has debated William Craig. I think that you can find that debate on youtube somewhere. Probably just do a search on Ehrman Craig and debate.
I think that I've watched all of the debates where Dr Ehrman takes on Christian apologists, and IMHO (of course), I think that Dr Ehrman destroys them.
@crucisnh - Dr. Ehrman's case destroys any argument a Christian creationist could ever make about 'how the bible was inspired by god' or 'copied correctly throughout the ages.' Which destroys the fundamentals of their belief. Whoops.
@UPplRSick I think that you really mean a literalist more than a creationist. And yes, his case does really destroy biblical literalism. That said, I won't say that it necessarily destroys the fundamentals of Christian belief, at least as long as one's belief doesn't *require* a literalist view of the Bible. IIRC, there are plenty of Christians who really aren't literalists and are still believers.
@crucisnh - Possibly, but those 'literalist' refer to themselves as 'creationists,' in as much as, 'god said bang and there it was, created' And while there are plenty of 'christians' who don't attest to all the miracles in the bible as historical fact, those christians are playing games with theology to suit their own ideas of what christianity is, and not what the bible says it is. Which is fine, but those people might as well argue a deist position. Either the book is holy, or not.
@UPplRSick A. Creationism only pertains to the Book of Genesis. Literalism encompasses the entire Bible. Case closed.
B. And exactly where is it written that one must be a literalist or one isn't a "good" Christian? And who the bleep are these literalists that they think that they have the holy right to say who is or is not a "good Christian"? They sound more Inquisitors than Christians to me.
@crucisnh - A. This is semantic nonsense we're arguing over. B. I think anyone who accepts the creation story as factual/literal will feel the same about the rest of the bible; despite the narrow focus you want to use. Creationist/Literalist who cares? C. If anyone would say they believe in the bible, but only the parts they want to take literally, there is an inherent problem in accepting that methodology. Also, god is the thought police, the ultimate inquisitor, same goes for his followers.
@UPplRSick A. I disagree. "Semantics" is a cop out. I hold that Creationist does NOT equal Literalist. Creationism only speaks to a single book in the OT. Literalism speaks to the entire bible.
B. One can read the Bible allegorically, rather than literally. And there are many good Christians with that view, I imagine.
C. Some stories are clearly more allegorical while other may have more literal truth rather than allegorical truth to them.
@crucisnh A. You would disagree. I would then ask, what parts of the bible do you think a 'biblical creationist' would not take literally? I would say that someone who interprets the creation myth literally, would also accept every other part of the bible as literal historical truth, not allegorical stories. Also making them 'literalist.' Which is a weird thing to say of someone. These two terms we applied to christians, if not equal, are very close.
@UPplRSick I don't care. I'm being picky because language is a precise tool that should be used precisely. To say that as a "creationist" takes the entire bible literally is making an assumption. Saying that a literalist takes entire bible literally is simply applying the term accurately. One term (listeralist) is an accurate use of the language, the other (creationist) sloppy. To be a creationist is to believe in the creation story, nothing more.
@crucisnh - B. Again, define 'good christian.' If you can interpret the bible to say what you want, how can you know the truth of what the bible says is good? How can you know you're doing god's work, or good, if you look at some parts of the bible but not others. What would you be missing? Who are you to say what is in the bible is wrong? Allegories can mean different things to different people. I don't dispute there are good people who call themselves christian, and not so good.
@UPplRSick I don't need to define "good christian". Yes, allegories can be read different ways. So can parables. And yet Jesus used a lot of parables. Don't be a hypocrite.
@crucisnh - Sure, use whatever language you want. I don't know where I was being a hypocrite? And yeah, there are more believable versions of what might have happened 2000 years ago without positing a supernatural entity. Nothing to disagree about there.
@UPplRSick My point was that it's not possible to be truly 100% literal about the bible. That's the hypocrisy. A lot of the prophesies in the OT tend to be in the form of metaphors or allegories (or whatever the proper term is). If you read many of the supposed prophesies truly literally they make no sense.
@crucisnh - None of the bible makes sense, unless you look at it from an outside perspective from which you see different cultures trying their best to establish a 'moral code' or standard of human decency. But none of the what the bible says seems to be more than the wish thinking of ancient desert dwellers. Allegories are subject to interpretation, it is impossible to establish a literal, or historical truth from them, unless you choose to. Christians fool themselves.
@crucisnh - C. What is an allegorical truth? Again, an allegory strives to teach a moral lesson through story; which can have mixed results. People interpret stories differently. How can you derive an objective truth from that? What christians don't realize is that their truth is entirely subjective. Not to say my views aren't biased, but they claim their views are non-biased because god gave them those views. Again, how do you derive truth from allegories?
@crucisnh - The stories in the bible either A. Happened, and need to be taken seriously. or B. Did not happen and should not be taken more seriously than one's attempts to derive an understanding about humanity through it. There is no allegorical truth to Jesus claiming to be the son of god. So when you say, 'who is to say that one is more right than another?' I believe you make my point for me about the objective literal truth of the bible.
@UPplRSick Or C. they may have happened in a way that the Bible doesn't accurately describe. Maybe Jesus was never really dead? Maybe his "resurrection" was actually a revival just like reviving someone with CPR and/or mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Or maybe his body was missing from the tomb because some other jews didn't think that he deserved such a good tomb. (I've heard this theory before.) Heck, the NT even contradicts itself at times as Dr Ehrman regularly points out.
@crucisnh - Why does someone have to reject certain parts of the bible to feel like a 'good person?' If someone does feel that way, how can they accept the rest of it as 'good,' let alone truth? The bible is self supporting, if you remove some of it, you bring the whole theology down. You might as well be inventing your own version of christianity, as many have, including the initial perpetrator who invented the theology. I don't know what a good christian is, they say different things.
@UPplRSick I'd say that people who take the bible literally are creating a different theology than those than who take the bible allegorically. And exactly who on Earth is to say that one is more right than the other?
For that matter, maybe the Gnostics were right and the believers in Christian orthodoxy were wrong.
@LowresTV I'm not sure how much of the NT was actually written in Rome. Some of it, most likely, but I expect that some of it was written elsewhere as well. As for hearsay, another word for that could be "oral tradition", i.e. stories. That said, the "christology" of the gospel of John seems so high compared to the other gospels that it seems like much of it had to be written by some sort of philosopher-theologian, rather than someone just telling a simple story about Jesus.
@crucisnh Most of it was written in Rome, because most of the copies were already made when christianism was flourishing. But some parts were writen in Greece. Nothing was written, as long as I know in the Middle East.Not many people could read and write at this time.The scribes made all copies, with all misinterpretation that you can imagine. Not much people in the first copies were theologians, just scribes
@LowresTV Dr Ehrman basically said as much in a Q&A session after a speech (that's here on YT) when he was asked if he'd ever do textual criticism on the Koran.
the only right word of GOD is to open it up so you can have a relationship yourself with GOD. yahweh, or yashsusa. It all has been translated fine, stop warshipping cross's, stop getting Tattoes-form of witchcraft, stop having sex for fun, stop killing, stop stealing, stop hurting each other, stop trying to profit for your own greedy-ness, stop following pastors.. they are not your salvation, Jesus is.... Pastors and FATHERS will only take money out of your wallet and talk about football games
Think about that, hope your science can debunk this or are you going to beleive this man. Really would not be cool to find this out.........................
This will end all debates, Columbus found out earth was round.........Bible new it was round game over. Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. The earth is also hallow...laugh now.....You just wait......did you know in the early turn of the 20th century they threw out all history books; DOE..... Keep beleiveing men... it will get you know where.
@Holyspiritrecieved You're wrong a few times. First off, the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round long before Columbus Next, this has been debunked already. The "circle" of the earth isn't actually talking about the earth's shape, it's talking of the firmament that's "surrounding" the earth. Lastly, not all history books were thrown out. Whoever told you that was bold-faced lying. P.S. if you were right and they threw out ALL history books, obviously the bible isn't considered factual
Debunking is another attempt, he doesnt understand and will not. It is easy GOD GAVE US LIFE GOD gave Jesus his spirit, if you recieve the holy spirit you will speak in tongues. Game over and move on
@Holyspiritrecieved So it doesn't bother you in the slightest that what is in the bible is shown to be made up by some later scribes hundreds of years later who were simply making another copy of the bible and did not like one particular passage and decided to add more to it?
@Holyspiritrecieved The holy spirit is abig joke. He was supposed to guide the church, to guide all bible readers, interpreters and translators, Did he ? Where do all those 35,000 christian denominations stem from ?
@ndzoko interesting. christianity today claims 38000. it is rather strange how all are supposedly of the same source - i'm not sure what the right word would be here
YWHWs plan of salvation created before foundation of world.Man not yet created.God know man will fall and have to go to his hell where he will torment forever.He loves man so much,he creates a plan which is evil an vile.
YWHW rapes a 13yr engaged girl no doubt all night long.He doesnt even get Joes permission.He then must get men to lie and murder to have this demigod bastard killed..not just kill,brutalized.Just believe this and you are saved. l8<o
Why also would you try to educate people on zero evidence. Greed only kills, we are savage animals, we kill to get ahead not for evolution. I love when he said Jesus isnt the son of GOD and no one laughed. So in there hearts they know, his knowledge will be his enemy his whole life. At 1:08 13 he is waiting for a laugh saying jesus isnt son of man and know one laughs at all.
I pray for him, Jesus knew he was gonna die. Even though jesus had the Holy Ghost his body was still a man of flesh. God cannot and will not except the flesh. You may laugh at Christians, turn us away but the only law that works is GODS law. Think about it, no king, and the 10 commandments, if everyone followed the law there would be no sin. We all sin, we havnt evolved at all.
@Holyspiritrecieved Christianity in a nutshell. One day god decided to save mankind from the hell he created. He will send his son(himself) to earth to be murdered as a sacrifice for all the sins committed against himself.. He choses a people to help him. He makes sure they know of his plan by sending prophets. But they will not kill him if they realise he is the Messiah. So, he makes the prophecies murky. They fall in the trap, and kill him. Mision accomplished.
YWHWs plan of salvation created before foundation of world.Man not yet created.God know man will fall and have to go to his hell where he will torment forever.He loves man so much,he creates a plan which is evil an vile.
YWHW rapes a 13yr engaged girl no doubt all night long.He doesnt even get Joes permission.He then must get men to lie and murder to have this demigod bastard killed..not just kill,brutalized.Just believe this and you are saved. l8<o
Try to remember that the theist can pull its "facts" from anywhere. It has no moral fiber and it considers ANYTHING as evidence. It can conjure, change, morph and manipulate ANYTHING into what it wants to wield as evidence. The Atheist is constrained by real facts, real evidence and real ideas. The Atheist MUST tie His points together with things we know to be true. We Atheists must overcome walls of bullshit with the few building blocks of knowledge that we have. Its got to be tough sometimes,
All that listens to this heathen are deceived, because if you believe in Jesus; regardless to what mistakes you think could've have been made, Jesus made it plan when he said, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:13-15
If the Lord Jesus intended for all the world to know the gospel; then he would have also made sure the gospel would be preserved.
I think errrr! this guy errrrr! makes a lot of sense errrr!...Seriously though at the end of the day God is God! it matters not weather you believe the Bibble or Quran..God is the creator and that is whom you should worship....if you believe in the existance of a creator.
The Bibble and the Quran are just descriptors on the way to live your life....neither are right and neither are wrong..you believe in what you want to believe....but we should not fight wars over it.
GOD MADE SURE HIS WORD WAS TRULY PRESERVED THE QURAN. YEP THE QURAN IS GODS WORD HANDS DOWN IM NOT JUST SAYING ANY THING IT,S TRUE READ IT SURA 2:59 SAIDS THOSE WHO HAS TRANSGRESSED, CHANGED THE WORDS FROM THOSE WORDS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM SO WE SENT A PLAGUE FROM HEVEN BECAUSE THEY DISOBEYED REPEATEDLY ! INDEED EUROPE HAS HAD MANY PLAGUES WERE THE WHITE MAN CAME FROM
The Koran was written with the same messed up text as the bible, because coping the Koran was done in the same method as the bible. Use some reasoning skills. Idiot. LOL
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.1John2:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.John3:19-20
I'm a Christian. I like Bart Ehrman and appreciate his work. But it doesn't go down like that in Islam, does it. Draw the wrong cartoon in Islam and you risk the lives of yourself and anyone who happens to be within close proximity when the bomb goes off.
@ConvertAid I'm not aware of any priests who condone pedophilia based on Catholic teachings. I am aware of Muslims who condone killing based on Islamic theology. Further, I am vocal about demanding removal of any church authority found guilty of insidious acts. On the other hand, Islamic nations are perfectly willing to convict a female rape victim of adultery in their courts of law with nary a peep from the the Muslim faithful.
Also this clown gets paid to laugh at his students for believing in the inerrant translation of Gods Word. And in clownlike fashion talks them out of believing by questioning it all. I hope he knows he is just like the serpent in the garden questioning "hath God said". All you need now is a unicycle and juggle, get paid. Universities and scholarship loves you jackass!
@Churchnote Why don't you take a religious study course in any major university in the world? You will find out that they are all talking about the same thing, the "history" of religion. They study actual facts about religion. You are upset with him, because it goes against the theology that you believe in. His facts goes against your beliefs.
It baffles me as to how colleges hire and pay guys like this that do not believe but philosophically not know where things come from, but teach that. At least they should believe in something to teach it. They always appear unbiased as if looking in. What a ripoff to be taught by this guy!
@Churchnote: That's insane. Ehrman went to the top Christian schools in the US and is considered an expert on the New Testament. Yes, he's an agnostic, but he was Bible-believing Christian throughout his studies. He knows what he's talking about.
@Churchnote LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. Read some books and do some learning. Bart Ehrman is the emphatic expert on the historicity of Christian writings... He laughs for a DAMN GOOD REASON. Your comments really shed light on your ignorance of his teachings.
the church is full of jackasses like yourself who do not believe in scripture, my point is start your own cause and stop collecting money from believers. Still my other point you jackasses don't respond too is the strange coincidence that your saying just what the serpent said, Hath God said and questioning it, at least come up with something original! its nothing new to the table you supposed enlightened jackasses.
what historic writings is he an expert of? When he himself says there is no originals, and then to just speculate as to how a scribe may have done this or that, thats true scholarship stupid!
@Churchnote Your comment about this so-called scholar reveals what it means to trust that God is/was strong enough to provide us with a correct translation of His word (KJV). Or else we trust that some man can prevent God from being Almighty.
After all, if there is no correct translation of the Bible, then there can be no such thing as an Almighty God. Obviously, if no one can keep or protect their word, they ain't sh*t. And I would never blaspheme God by claiming His Word is wrong
@vincent15641 Right on, I agree. God can and did preserve His word, it shouldn't be that hard for God to protect it. I believe the 1611and the preservation of what God did to make that happen is a miracle.
@Churchnote See my video called "America in the Bible" or my video "Aimed At America 1", which reveals patterns that I've discovered only manifest in the King James Bible.
Some claim I practice numerology. But all I do is show how the "hidden wisdom" (1st Corinthians 2:7) lines up through parallel numbers or through correlations.
Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches through "comparing" (1st Corinthians 2:13), which is the way to "prove all things" (1st Thessalonians 5:21).
Hi Mr Speed well what u said i also have noticed.but there is somethin very imp u fail to realise n u tell me what i am abt to say is true or not.We Muslims no doubt Respect Jesus lots.Same as we Respect Mohammed,Moses,Abraham n all other Prophets BE PEACE UPON THEM ALL.We do maintain Jesus is not God or Son of GOD in same way as u christans beleive.But still we do respect him and always praise him same way as we do MOHAMMAD(PBUH).No muslim utter ever bad words abt Jesus(PBUH)
But you Christans start hurling abuses at our beloved Prophet and that also for no reason.But still in retaliation no muslim wud ever say any bad word abt Jesus (PBU THEM ALL).And do u know why because the same Muhammed whom u all leave no chance to insult made us Beleive in Jesus.On his testimony Millions of Muslim all over world love and revere Jesus(PBUH).Infact we Muslims mention Jesus name more respectfully than u christans do because we dont forget to add(PBUH).
But you all mention Jesus name so casually as if he is your high school buddyFrankly we shud not expect u all to respect Muhammad(PBUH) when u all do not respect your own JESUS(PBUH).If it comes to following Jesus and other prophets we are more christans than christans themselevs and More Jew than the jews themselves.1)All muslims circumcised like Jesus n Moses were(PBU THEM ALL).2)We do not eat porrk.3)We dont drink ,we dont gamble n on n on.I mean Muslim as a whole
And just analyse this scenario.Say lets beleive for a second that u Christans are right in all respect.Like its true that Jesus is God or Son Of GOD or whatever u all beleive i say so because u christans are always have new and different ideas abt Jesus.Anyway if on judgement day U christans are right and Almighty questions we muslim.We can still say God we respect u all our life and We did respect Jesus (PBUH) also though we did not beleive he is GOD
@morpheusdejavu1 all a waste of time... religion is a human invention to control masses b y explaining the unexplainable.
Solid evidence exists that "we" are an experiment, put on earth by "them". Different types of human races are mixed thogether to see the outcome, periodically "they" come in and inject wonderfull "discoveries" to speed up things a bit....
They probabbly have bets about how long it takes to destroy ourselves...
Quote: Solid evidence exists that "we" are an experiment, put on earth by "them".
Have you watched the movie The Adjustment Bureau? Kind of fits in with what your talking about. Movie is based on a book written by Phillip K Dick The Adjustment Team
And we muslims do never uttered bad word abt Jesus(PBUH) and since u all say JESUS is very merciful then we can be very sure that he is likely to forgive because we do worship Father in heaven and also respect JESUS though as a prophet.But if Muslims turn out to be right then where u all wud land.imagine calling a human SON OF GOD and also disrespecting a Prophet Mohammad PBUH.So now if u analyse we muslims safe in any condition but vice versa not true.I pray ALLAH guide us all
So if u want to confirm just look at the comments that u peace loving christans give abt HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) and the comments which we give for respect.We do say that christans are wrong but when it comes to Jesus we respect him always.So that comment disable cooment of your in certain case is true but if u true person of GOD then u cant disagree with me that though we do not consider Jesus God still we respect him same way as we do MUHAMMAD(PBU EM ALL) but opp is not tru
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Quran 2.79 (Surat Al-Bakarah , verse 79)
1st get some education before you open your mouth,Te'rah was hebrew,his granfather Eber was hebrew,Abraham was hebrew,Ishmael & Isaac were hebrews,They jews are not decendants of Abraham,they are khazarian(european)their lineage trace back to ashkenazi,who grand father is ja'pheth,these are the Gentiles;Gen10:1 go see it then research it.Jews & Israelites are two different nations,go learn something then apply it to you lack of knowledge,don't come back until you are learned
The horizontal discrepancies don't mean much, because if you get four major newspapers published on the same day covering the same major event; Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination, 911 etc. You'll of course see that they don't match up. One reporter will include something another didn't and vice versa. This will happen even with four top notch reporters working for the same newspaper standing next to each other when the event took place. This makes the accounts look more genuine, not less genuine.
watch my video misquoting muhammad - the corruption of the quran
Ehrman believes Jesus was crucified just like almost every historian and scholar.. why do historians never go to the quran to study the historical Jesus? They always go to the New Testament because quran is garbage
@JesusOrMuhammad-ppl. run to the bible(biblos which is an idolatour word)b/c they're taught from generation to generation of a blond haired blue eyed man,the real name of the mythical character jesusis YAHOSHUA,WHICH IS THE HEBREW NAME OF JOSHUA.the jesus character is the name of the pharoah name ptolomy 1st,whom constantine later name jesus,which is latin,jesus wasn't latin or greek or jew,he was hebrew.
It is extremely rare to find one Chinese restaurant menu that doesn't have "character" mistakes. Just in case you didn't know, the older Chinese people often create their own form of Chinese characters. Sometimes there may be minor differences; sometimes the characters are unrecognizable.
As many people know, Chinese written language has existed for thousands of years. However, each character don't often pass onto the next generations in the same form (or the same shape). Even now, many of the older Chinese people are proficient in writing Chinese; however, each of them can have different ways of writing the same character. The most noticeable area is in the Chinese restaurant menus(hand written or typed). About 99% of all Chinese restaurants have mistakes in their menus.
These are moslem channel uploads. The purpose of using these uploads is for Islamic propaganda. It is for those who are perishing to believe this man or Islam. I have many moslem people I debate with that upload his videos, that if its not stopped utube will have to be called BStube
If you ever get Leprosy here is your cure. Let me know how that works out for you. Note: GOD gave detailed instructions on how to cure leprosy by using bird and lamb's blood.
@TheLionessjudah-you can run but you can't hide,why?If you make lies of the scriptures & God & jesus we will always find you.Insha-Allah.Where you been lady i'm still waiting on those hadiths you said would be the big gun that trashes the prophet & islam.Where are they?
@mrdedat1 Excuse me but your mouth said something very dirty and I refuse to speak to someone who speaks with that looseness. I referred to the hadiths as being very disgusting disclosures I didn't think you would make a blurp out as to actually saying a low disgusting description of something eluded to. I just can't understand how so called modest women could write that and self righteous professing moslems can speak it. This guy Erhman is dumb. Jew, to christian, to agnostic, now moslem?
@TheLionessjudah-aw now you can't say what is written,but you can say:John3:16,& lie on the creator that he committed illegal sexual intercorse with mary,for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son.The word begotten is a filthy term used to say god "sired" a child,but you don't say filthy words.or how about this one,Paul paul why does thou persecute me,why does thou kickest against the "PRICKS"really lady your a joke.
Because of these verses religious groups in the Appalachian Mountains and other parts of the United States such as Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia and Ohio practice snake handling...continue
@TheLionessjudah Church services often include not only the handling of venomous snakes but also handling fire and drinking water laced with poison such as strychnine and arsenic.
I looked up the name Ehrman and its a Jewish name, German Jew. Interesting to have found that connection. He has a site where anyone can donate money to him. Islam must be really donating in that slot.
@WilhelmDrake Well if you go into a theology with a Jewish perspective on not believing, and you go with the intent not to learn what God said by Faith, but to tear it apart for some future gain, that would be a limiting factor. The fact is that Islam is discrediting the Bible based on Erhman, and use him for that purpose. There are two segments he can get his books sold to, the agnostic and the moslem. I am sure he did his math on how his prosperity antichrist research would pad him.
@WilhelmDrake That doesn't explain the motives for the actions. This man has an axe to grind with his Creator, the only problem is, his head is under the axe, not God's, only a fool would gladly put himself there for his personal ego and greed. God is Sovereign, man is not.
What part of his work makes you believe this? Textual scholars have long pointed out differences in textual traditions. Almost everything Ehrman says has long been said by others.
@WilhelmDrake Oh really. If you listen to Les Feldick on his website, here is a man with no scholarly degree, but he can explain and teach the Bible comparing scripture to scripture, O.T. to N.T. and the scriptures are so divinely matching in all the references, that you are amazed. Erhman may have the letters after his name, but he doesn't understand the workings of God. He wants to play a game with the Bible for profit. Islam loves him, can't kiss up to him enough. Let him enjoy the ride.
Are you denying that there exist manuscript differences?
That is his main argument, that there exist textual variations in the different ancient manuscripts we have. This has been known for hundreds of years, at least since John Mill's Greek NT where he compared & noted differences between 100 different manuscripts. Today, we have thousands of ancient manuscripts. This became a major problem with the invention of printing, where they had to decide which manuscript to print.
@Wil Look at Abraham the first Gentile called out, what did he rely on for his Faith. God said to leave his home, he left, God said to go to the land I choose for you, he went, God said I will make your seed multiply like the stars of the sky, too numerous to count. He had no children, how long did he wait with just the promise of what God said. Now Bart Erhman comes along and we all have to throw Faith out the window because God didn't work out for him. You can have Bart, I'll keep my Faith.
Are we watching the same video? Erhman says nothing regarding losing ones faith. Many Christians accept his work and see no problem between their faith & critical scholarship.
Is your faith so insecure that the idea of scribal errors would destroy it? If so, I pity you because scribal errors do exist. All you have to do is examine them. They are in this place called libraries.
@WilhelmDrake So he found scribal errors, the agnostic? Wow Bart is going to make corrections to God's Word for scribal errors. In the mean time, the Bible does say there is a curse on anyone who adds or subtracts from the word. Let us wait and see about that. Don't worry about my Faith, worry about your own. And many moslems are accepting his work moreso than So called christians. I don't want to dote on Bart, and waste my time when people need to hear God's Truth.
I just seen the segment where Colbert had him on the show, and Bart was made to look so foolish. Colbert was clever to show how you can mince words to fit a meaning, and I have to applaud him, he was wise like a serpent and gentle as a dove. Bart is just some insecure guy that is about the extent of it. The real problem is that Bart can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven, but he leaves you all in the dust because you may never get to hear his confession just his works and believed on him.
@WilhelmDrake-this women is a certified fool,she never answers any questions,these trinity christians rarely do,they can't,if they answer questions they leave the door open to their hypocracy so the dance around question,instead they throw out many verses & when you refute the verses they say we read or interpret it wrong,i put pauls ass on trial,& i used God as the judge & jesus as the jury in which both called paul a liar,what did she do?nothing,she never acknowledged it she ran away
@WilhelmDrake-now she says Abraham was a gentile.if she had really read the bible she would've seen that Abraham was a hebrew.this shows she doesn't know a damn thing about he bible or her religion.
@WilhelmDrake-this i know,but she doesn't she thinks he was a gentile(decendants of ja'pheth),she is some crazy lady who refuses to read even the words of her own scholars.i think she is an christian missionary or an evangalist.either way she is steadfast in her disbelief...hotep
@mrdedat1 What the hell are you talking about, are you saying that Ishmael was Jewish by his father? lol. So all the tribes of Ishmael are of Jewish descent from Abraham. Wow. I wonder if Abraham knows about this?
@TheLionessjudah-all of the decendants of Ishmael are hebrews,as was Abraham,Ishmael is Abrahams 1st born son,he was the sacrificed one.If Abraham was a hebrew then all his decendants are therefore hebrews.
@m3d2-No,you need a history lesson,1st Ibrahim(Abraham)was a hebrew,go research,2nd,the word arab pertains to the country,ppl. are labeled by the place they liveed,but that isn"t who they are,Ishmaels father being a hebrew(not isrealite)makes his son a hebrew.Abraham wasn't,a jew or christian.
@mrdedat1 Ibrahim come from Babylonians even the grandfather of the jews Isaac wasn't Hebrews just the descendants of Jacob" israel" are Hebrews coz the descendants of the oldest son Esau were the Edomites and it's fany to seay hebrew not isreailit coz hebrew is just a tongue aka language of the jews it's like to say noah was Semitic while he was the father of three race include the the Semitic people
This is the New Age Judas Iscariot. Getting paid by Islam to sell Christ short, nevertheless, cursed was that man, that Christ said It would have been better if he never was born. Such is the punishment of men like this. If you can't believe in the Bible believe on this that you can see the evil of the man Judas up to the moment Christ was led to the crucifixation, now Islam can feast their eyes at least up to that point, in seeing the Judas here doing the same.
@ilikemike2436 Farsi is the language of Iran, Coptic is for the arab Egyptian and the translation from Hebrew to Greek. These are languages, the Word of God is still going to be the Word of God. What is off center is the Heart of Men who don't have Faith in the Word of God.
@TheLionessjudah The point is is that all these bibles say different things and have different books in them and since you appear so knowledgeable tell me which bible is the word of God? The Ethiopian, The Geneva, The King James? Which King James? The original 1611 printing with the Apocrypha, without the Apocrypha, the new King James or the 21st Century King James? Tell me which one is the word of God and how you know that?! Answer the Question!!
Do you know that the Creation around you is enough and man is accountible to know even by it, that there is a God, there is even accountablility in the Creation alone. When your heart isn't open for God to come in, does it matter what translation is good over the other. I have no problem with the Bible and I read the Apocryphra, the King James. The thief at the cross didn't have the materials you have, but he believed and was saved. Go to Les Feldick, he teaches the Bible, see for yourself.
@TheLionessjudah You say the word of God is the word of God? That would mean The Qur'aan, The book of Mormon,The Gita and The Vedas are also the word of God which also have stories about the creation.
If translation doesn't matter as long as your heart is open to God, then you would accept the New World Translation as the word of God?
@TheLionessjudah Thomas knew Jesus intimately and witnessed his miracles for himself but still said... "But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."
@ilikemike But complete it with what Christ said, given this generation which is actually denying the very existence of God, we have become the fulfillment of the prophecy stated in the Word, which is the ironic part. I debate with many moslems, and they are discrediting the Bible.I was in a spiritual need and only when you are put under that need, ( I don't want to get personal here), you realize quickly their is a spiritual battle for the souls of men, the last thing we need is disarmorment.
@ilikemike2436 Faith, because what would heaven be like if everyone boasted on how they got there, that would be horrible. You can do good works but after you believe on the Gospel of Grace first that Christ alone bore your sins on the Cross, was buried and rose from the dead. That is Faith, plus nothing. You can't do anything to earn a place in heaven, otherwise Grace is voided.. You cannot earn a gift, God gives it to you, you claim it by believing it. I have to go will be back for part 2.
@ilikemike After your Faith on the finished work, As Christ at the cross said, It Is Finished, before the Tribulation, The Church, body of believers will be lifted out, because the fullness of the gentiles is reached, then the Gospel of the of the Kingdom comes back to be preached by the remnant 144,000 Priestly Jews called out. When the liftting out occurs, those believers will be brought before the Lord, not for Judgement but for rewards for advancing the Gospel preached to all nations.
@TheLionessjudah I don't really care what your opinion is about what you believe. There are no original writings to any parts of the bible. There are no copies of the originals and no copies of the copies. If you don't believe me you can google search "P52." And even this is a copy. The King James Bible is based on 10th century manuscripts copied from other manuscripts and they didn't have The Dead Sea Scrolls ....continue
@TheLionessjudah All these manuscripts have changes in many different places, mistakes and all say something different. If we don't have the original words then we do not know what the original words even were. When you read your King James Bible you are NOT reading the original words. You are reading translated copies of copies of copies produced more than 1600 years later....continue
@TheLionessjudah It would have been no more difficult for God to perserve the original words than it was for him to inspire them in the first place. If God choose not to preserve the original words then maybe he didn't inspire them either. This is all that your faith is based on.
God has absolutely no obligation to judge humanity based on books created by human beings with changes, mistakes, inconsistencies, contradictions and footnotes in them.
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ALLAH HAS MADE IT CLEAR IF YOU SAY JESUS IS GOD , OR WORSHIP HIM, OR OTHERS . THEN ALLAH WILL MAKE THE FIRE OF HELL YOUR ETERNAL HOME. CAN YOU IMAGINE FOREVER. IMAGINE YOUR FLOATING IN SPACE FOREVER HOW LONG CAN YOU BARE IT. THIS IS WITHOUT ANY TORTURE SO IMAGINE BEING IN A CAVERN SEARING HOT FIRE . I SUGGEST YOU LEARN TRUTH OF ISLAM URSELF NOT WHAT SOME1 TELLS YOU. ULL SEE HOW MANY LIES PPL SAY ABOUT ISLAM. PPL WILL FIGHT THERE PARENTS FOR MAKING THEM XTIAN IN HELL LEARN TRUTH URSELF...
mrlogicalman1 18 hours ago
Old Testament: Mostly Hebrew and some Aramaic. English is not the original scripture of the bible.
abdulwajid1983 1 week ago
believe with your heart and not with your mind;).
i physically died and in the spirit returned home.
i was met by a figure of the light that was the entrance to what we call heaven here..
he said,"i had not done what i said i would do and must go back."
i refused and the person of the light,"Jesus" to me assured me i would come there.i did get to come there just not yet,not now...
that was thirty years ago,still trying to do what ever i said i would do!
just a movie,an experience with out heaven
pearler2bb4 1 week ago
I would love to see this guy debate William Lane Craig about the 'truth' of the bible and what 'biblical historians' have to say about the reality of what happened 2000 years ago. This is a great lecture.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick Actually, Dr Ehrman has debated William Craig. I think that you can find that debate on youtube somewhere. Probably just do a search on Ehrman Craig and debate.
I think that I've watched all of the debates where Dr Ehrman takes on Christian apologists, and IMHO (of course), I think that Dr Ehrman destroys them.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - Dr. Ehrman's case destroys any argument a Christian creationist could ever make about 'how the bible was inspired by god' or 'copied correctly throughout the ages.' Which destroys the fundamentals of their belief. Whoops.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick I think that you really mean a literalist more than a creationist. And yes, his case does really destroy biblical literalism. That said, I won't say that it necessarily destroys the fundamentals of Christian belief, at least as long as one's belief doesn't *require* a literalist view of the Bible. IIRC, there are plenty of Christians who really aren't literalists and are still believers.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - Possibly, but those 'literalist' refer to themselves as 'creationists,' in as much as, 'god said bang and there it was, created' And while there are plenty of 'christians' who don't attest to all the miracles in the bible as historical fact, those christians are playing games with theology to suit their own ideas of what christianity is, and not what the bible says it is. Which is fine, but those people might as well argue a deist position. Either the book is holy, or not.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick A. Creationism only pertains to the Book of Genesis. Literalism encompasses the entire Bible. Case closed.
B. And exactly where is it written that one must be a literalist or one isn't a "good" Christian? And who the bleep are these literalists that they think that they have the holy right to say who is or is not a "good Christian"? They sound more Inquisitors than Christians to me.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - A. This is semantic nonsense we're arguing over. B. I think anyone who accepts the creation story as factual/literal will feel the same about the rest of the bible; despite the narrow focus you want to use. Creationist/Literalist who cares? C. If anyone would say they believe in the bible, but only the parts they want to take literally, there is an inherent problem in accepting that methodology. Also, god is the thought police, the ultimate inquisitor, same goes for his followers.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick A. I disagree. "Semantics" is a cop out. I hold that Creationist does NOT equal Literalist. Creationism only speaks to a single book in the OT. Literalism speaks to the entire bible.
B. One can read the Bible allegorically, rather than literally. And there are many good Christians with that view, I imagine.
C. Some stories are clearly more allegorical while other may have more literal truth rather than allegorical truth to them.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh A. You would disagree. I would then ask, what parts of the bible do you think a 'biblical creationist' would not take literally? I would say that someone who interprets the creation myth literally, would also accept every other part of the bible as literal historical truth, not allegorical stories. Also making them 'literalist.' Which is a weird thing to say of someone. These two terms we applied to christians, if not equal, are very close.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick I don't care. I'm being picky because language is a precise tool that should be used precisely. To say that as a "creationist" takes the entire bible literally is making an assumption. Saying that a literalist takes entire bible literally is simply applying the term accurately. One term (listeralist) is an accurate use of the language, the other (creationist) sloppy. To be a creationist is to believe in the creation story, nothing more.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - B. Again, define 'good christian.' If you can interpret the bible to say what you want, how can you know the truth of what the bible says is good? How can you know you're doing god's work, or good, if you look at some parts of the bible but not others. What would you be missing? Who are you to say what is in the bible is wrong? Allegories can mean different things to different people. I don't dispute there are good people who call themselves christian, and not so good.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick I don't need to define "good christian". Yes, allegories can be read different ways. So can parables. And yet Jesus used a lot of parables. Don't be a hypocrite.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - Sure, use whatever language you want. I don't know where I was being a hypocrite? And yeah, there are more believable versions of what might have happened 2000 years ago without positing a supernatural entity. Nothing to disagree about there.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick My point was that it's not possible to be truly 100% literal about the bible. That's the hypocrisy. A lot of the prophesies in the OT tend to be in the form of metaphors or allegories (or whatever the proper term is). If you read many of the supposed prophesies truly literally they make no sense.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - None of the bible makes sense, unless you look at it from an outside perspective from which you see different cultures trying their best to establish a 'moral code' or standard of human decency. But none of the what the bible says seems to be more than the wish thinking of ancient desert dwellers. Allegories are subject to interpretation, it is impossible to establish a literal, or historical truth from them, unless you choose to. Christians fool themselves.
UPplRSick 6 days ago
@crucisnh - C. What is an allegorical truth? Again, an allegory strives to teach a moral lesson through story; which can have mixed results. People interpret stories differently. How can you derive an objective truth from that? What christians don't realize is that their truth is entirely subjective. Not to say my views aren't biased, but they claim their views are non-biased because god gave them those views. Again, how do you derive truth from allegories?
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@crucisnh - The stories in the bible either A. Happened, and need to be taken seriously. or B. Did not happen and should not be taken more seriously than one's attempts to derive an understanding about humanity through it. There is no allegorical truth to Jesus claiming to be the son of god. So when you say, 'who is to say that one is more right than another?' I believe you make my point for me about the objective literal truth of the bible.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick Or C. they may have happened in a way that the Bible doesn't accurately describe. Maybe Jesus was never really dead? Maybe his "resurrection" was actually a revival just like reviving someone with CPR and/or mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Or maybe his body was missing from the tomb because some other jews didn't think that he deserved such a good tomb. (I've heard this theory before.) Heck, the NT even contradicts itself at times as Dr Ehrman regularly points out.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh - Why does someone have to reject certain parts of the bible to feel like a 'good person?' If someone does feel that way, how can they accept the rest of it as 'good,' let alone truth? The bible is self supporting, if you remove some of it, you bring the whole theology down. You might as well be inventing your own version of christianity, as many have, including the initial perpetrator who invented the theology. I don't know what a good christian is, they say different things.
UPplRSick 1 week ago
@UPplRSick I'd say that people who take the bible literally are creating a different theology than those than who take the bible allegorically. And exactly who on Earth is to say that one is more right than the other?
For that matter, maybe the Gnostics were right and the believers in Christian orthodoxy were wrong.
crucisnh 1 week ago
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@UPplRSick He did, and destroyed Craig. Look on YT.
LowresTV 1 week ago
he just said they were written by greek speaking christians try greek speeking jedeans my friend
timothy 2:15 study and shew thy self approved
1treim1 2 weeks ago
@1treim1 Not only that, also, the NT was written in Rome. By people that knew the history from hearsay.
LowresTV 1 week ago
@LowresTV I'm not sure how much of the NT was actually written in Rome. Some of it, most likely, but I expect that some of it was written elsewhere as well. As for hearsay, another word for that could be "oral tradition", i.e. stories. That said, the "christology" of the gospel of John seems so high compared to the other gospels that it seems like much of it had to be written by some sort of philosopher-theologian, rather than someone just telling a simple story about Jesus.
crucisnh 1 week ago
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@crucisnh Most of it was written in Rome, because most of the copies were already made when christianism was flourishing. But some parts were writen in Greece. Nothing was written, as long as I know in the Middle East.Not many people could read and write at this time.The scribes made all copies, with all misinterpretation that you can imagine. Not much people in the first copies were theologians, just scribes
LowresTV 1 week ago
This is nice from Bart Ehrman. It is a pitty no one can do this with the other fake, Islam, without being murdered or lost his freedom.
LowresTV 2 weeks ago
@LowresTV Dr Ehrman basically said as much in a Q&A session after a speech (that's here on YT) when he was asked if he'd ever do textual criticism on the Koran.
crucisnh 1 week ago
@crucisnh Yes, he said he can not talk about it, because he did not study it.
A Q'ran Scholar must have expose the incoherences of the Q'ran, but no one dares, cause of the bloody fanatics. That was I meant.
LowresTV 1 week ago
the only right word of GOD is to open it up so you can have a relationship yourself with GOD. yahweh, or yashsusa. It all has been translated fine, stop warshipping cross's, stop getting Tattoes-form of witchcraft, stop having sex for fun, stop killing, stop stealing, stop hurting each other, stop trying to profit for your own greedy-ness, stop following pastors.. they are not your salvation, Jesus is.... Pastors and FATHERS will only take money out of your wallet and talk about football games
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved And hoe about the other gods? Why do you think YOUR beliefs are the real one?
LowresTV 2 weeks ago
@Holyspiritrecieved
Now why is it not allowed to have sex for fun?
You can be married and have sex for fun as well,ya know.
16karateka 2 weeks ago
Department Agaist Religion
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
sory about the crappy spelling. I am ready to be hammered and called an idiot. Attack the spelling first lol.
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved mainly for the ye olde rule of I before E except after C.....
derkypoo42 2 weeks ago
"sides of the pit"(Isaiah14:15)
"the great deep"(Isaiah 51:10)
"deep places"(Psalms 135:6)
"heart of the earth"(Matthew 12:40)
"lower parts of the earth"(Ephesians 4:9)
"the deep"(Romans 10:7)
"tartarus"(2 Peter 2:4)
"under the earth"(Revelation 5:13)
"the bottomless pit"(Revelation 9:1)
Think about that, hope your science can debunk this or are you going to beleive this man. Really would not be cool to find this out.........................
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
This will end all debates, Columbus found out earth was round.........Bible new it was round game over. Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. The earth is also hallow...laugh now.....You just wait......did you know in the early turn of the 20th century they threw out all history books; DOE..... Keep beleiveing men... it will get you know where.
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
Department of Eduaction
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved You're wrong a few times. First off, the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round long before Columbus Next, this has been debunked already. The "circle" of the earth isn't actually talking about the earth's shape, it's talking of the firmament that's "surrounding" the earth. Lastly, not all history books were thrown out. Whoever told you that was bold-faced lying. P.S. if you were right and they threw out ALL history books, obviously the bible isn't considered factual
JaysLogic 3 weeks ago
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I hope Muslims realize that Bart Ehrman also says "Jesus CERTAINLY WAS CRUCIFIED."
Sura4:157, Muhammad denies this and thus Bart Ehrman is calling Muhammad a false prophet and Quran a false book.
Looks like Bart Ehrman 100% debunks Islam
SuperDonster 1 month ago
Brave ! - Soldier of truth - ride on !!
trillyondad 1 month ago
Debunking is another attempt, he doesnt understand and will not. It is easy GOD GAVE US LIFE GOD gave Jesus his spirit, if you recieve the holy spirit you will speak in tongues. Game over and move on
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved So it doesn't bother you in the slightest that what is in the bible is shown to be made up by some later scribes hundreds of years later who were simply making another copy of the bible and did not like one particular passage and decided to add more to it?
cloudstone123 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved The holy spirit is abig joke. He was supposed to guide the church, to guide all bible readers, interpreters and translators, Did he ? Where do all those 35,000 christian denominations stem from ?
ndzoko 1 month ago
@ndzoko where do you get the figure 35000 from? it is a good question
sweetpappya 1 month ago
@sweetpappya Look it up on the internet, the number is even approaching 36,000 nowadays.
ndzoko 1 month ago
@ndzoko interesting. christianity today claims 38000. it is rather strange how all are supposedly of the same source - i'm not sure what the right word would be here
sweetpappya 1 month ago
Human with Divine powers you dont know what you teach
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved
YWHWs plan of salvation created before foundation of world.Man not yet created.God know man will fall and have to go to his hell where he will torment forever.He loves man so much,he creates a plan which is evil an vile.
YWHW rapes a 13yr engaged girl no doubt all night long.He doesnt even get Joes permission.He then must get men to lie and murder to have this demigod bastard killed..not just kill,brutalized.Just believe this and you are saved. l8<o
thedagonjones 1 month ago
Why also would you try to educate people on zero evidence. Greed only kills, we are savage animals, we kill to get ahead not for evolution. I love when he said Jesus isnt the son of GOD and no one laughed. So in there hearts they know, his knowledge will be his enemy his whole life. At 1:08 13 he is waiting for a laugh saying jesus isnt son of man and know one laughs at all.
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved At 1:08 13 he is waiting for a laugh saying jesus isnt son of man and know one laughs at all..
What makes you think anybody has to laugh with that statement ?Is it funny ?
ndzoko 1 month ago
I pray for him, Jesus knew he was gonna die. Even though jesus had the Holy Ghost his body was still a man of flesh. God cannot and will not except the flesh. You may laugh at Christians, turn us away but the only law that works is GODS law. Think about it, no king, and the 10 commandments, if everyone followed the law there would be no sin. We all sin, we havnt evolved at all.
Holyspiritrecieved 1 month ago
@Holyspiritrecieved Christianity in a nutshell. One day god decided to save mankind from the hell he created. He will send his son(himself) to earth to be murdered as a sacrifice for all the sins committed against himself.. He choses a people to help him. He makes sure they know of his plan by sending prophets. But they will not kill him if they realise he is the Messiah. So, he makes the prophecies murky. They fall in the trap, and kill him. Mision accomplished.
ndzoko 1 month ago
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@ndzoko
YWHWs plan of salvation created before foundation of world.Man not yet created.God know man will fall and have to go to his hell where he will torment forever.He loves man so much,he creates a plan which is evil an vile.
YWHW rapes a 13yr engaged girl no doubt all night long.He doesnt even get Joes permission.He then must get men to lie and murder to have this demigod bastard killed..not just kill,brutalized.Just believe this and you are saved. l8<o
thedagonjones 1 month ago
@ndzoko wild tigers do not eat children
suyantoism 4 weeks ago
Try to remember that the theist can pull its "facts" from anywhere. It has no moral fiber and it considers ANYTHING as evidence. It can conjure, change, morph and manipulate ANYTHING into what it wants to wield as evidence. The Atheist is constrained by real facts, real evidence and real ideas. The Atheist MUST tie His points together with things we know to be true. We Atheists must overcome walls of bullshit with the few building blocks of knowledge that we have. Its got to be tough sometimes,
699backstab 1 month ago
All that listens to this heathen are deceived, because if you believe in Jesus; regardless to what mistakes you think could've have been made, Jesus made it plan when he said, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:13-15
If the Lord Jesus intended for all the world to know the gospel; then he would have also made sure the gospel would be preserved.
Don't be deceived by this devil!
TheAngelPriest 1 month ago
Bart D. Ehrman is interesting.
guymassive 1 month ago
I wish someone other than this sharia lovin' muslim would've uploaded it. Too late I clicked it.
HellRehab 1 month ago
Thx for video!
eldinbechar 1 month ago
Whoops!!!!!. Bible even
3603089 1 month ago
I think errrr! this guy errrrr! makes a lot of sense errrr!...Seriously though at the end of the day God is God! it matters not weather you believe the Bibble or Quran..God is the creator and that is whom you should worship....if you believe in the existance of a creator.
The Bibble and the Quran are just descriptors on the way to live your life....neither are right and neither are wrong..you believe in what you want to believe....but we should not fight wars over it.
3603089 1 month ago
GOD MADE SURE HIS WORD WAS TRULY PRESERVED THE QURAN. YEP THE QURAN IS GODS WORD HANDS DOWN IM NOT JUST SAYING ANY THING IT,S TRUE READ IT SURA 2:59 SAIDS THOSE WHO HAS TRANSGRESSED, CHANGED THE WORDS FROM THOSE WORDS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM SO WE SENT A PLAGUE FROM HEVEN BECAUSE THEY DISOBEYED REPEATEDLY ! INDEED EUROPE HAS HAD MANY PLAGUES WERE THE WHITE MAN CAME FROM
puppyjohn321 1 month ago
@puppyjohn321
LOL. Illnesses are caused by germs. Take a high school bio class.
papermermaid 1 month ago
@papermermaid DUDE SHUT YO WHITE HUNKY RED NECK HILL BILLY ASS UP BEFOR I FIND YOU AND BUTCHER YO ASS
puppyjohn321 1 month ago
@puppyjohn321
The Koran was written with the same messed up text as the bible, because coping the Koran was done in the same method as the bible. Use some reasoning skills. Idiot. LOL
papermermaid 1 month ago
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.1John2:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.John3:19-20
samuelamos1 1 month ago
I'm a Christian. I like Bart Ehrman and appreciate his work. But it doesn't go down like that in Islam, does it. Draw the wrong cartoon in Islam and you risk the lives of yourself and anyone who happens to be within close proximity when the bomb goes off.
StormTrek 2 months ago
@StormTrek
:/ you judge a religion by what it teaches, not by its misguided followers. otherwise we would have to blame Christianity for pedophila.
ConvertAid 2 months ago
@ConvertAid I'm not aware of any priests who condone pedophilia based on Catholic teachings. I am aware of Muslims who condone killing based on Islamic theology. Further, I am vocal about demanding removal of any church authority found guilty of insidious acts. On the other hand, Islamic nations are perfectly willing to convict a female rape victim of adultery in their courts of law with nary a peep from the the Muslim faithful.
StormTrek 2 months ago
i dont care how much detail he gos into i still believe the bible is a work of fiction...where is the hard evidence???
lizastick85 2 months ago
Also this clown gets paid to laugh at his students for believing in the inerrant translation of Gods Word. And in clownlike fashion talks them out of believing by questioning it all. I hope he knows he is just like the serpent in the garden questioning "hath God said". All you need now is a unicycle and juggle, get paid. Universities and scholarship loves you jackass!
Churchnote 2 months ago
@Churchnote Why don't you take a religious study course in any major university in the world? You will find out that they are all talking about the same thing, the "history" of religion. They study actual facts about religion. You are upset with him, because it goes against the theology that you believe in. His facts goes against your beliefs.
Diasanti 2 months ago 2
It baffles me as to how colleges hire and pay guys like this that do not believe but philosophically not know where things come from, but teach that. At least they should believe in something to teach it. They always appear unbiased as if looking in. What a ripoff to be taught by this guy!
Churchnote 2 months ago
@Churchnote: That's insane. Ehrman went to the top Christian schools in the US and is considered an expert on the New Testament. Yes, he's an agnostic, but he was Bible-believing Christian throughout his studies. He knows what he's talking about.
Roaddogg666 2 months ago
@Churchnote LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. Read some books and do some learning. Bart Ehrman is the emphatic expert on the historicity of Christian writings... He laughs for a DAMN GOOD REASON. Your comments really shed light on your ignorance of his teachings.
ludogogo 2 months ago
the church is full of jackasses like yourself who do not believe in scripture, my point is start your own cause and stop collecting money from believers. Still my other point you jackasses don't respond too is the strange coincidence that your saying just what the serpent said, Hath God said and questioning it, at least come up with something original! its nothing new to the table you supposed enlightened jackasses.
Churchnote 2 months ago
what historic writings is he an expert of? When he himself says there is no originals, and then to just speculate as to how a scribe may have done this or that, thats true scholarship stupid!
Churchnote 2 months ago
@Churchnote Your comment about this so-called scholar reveals what it means to trust that God is/was strong enough to provide us with a correct translation of His word (KJV). Or else we trust that some man can prevent God from being Almighty.
After all, if there is no correct translation of the Bible, then there can be no such thing as an Almighty God. Obviously, if no one can keep or protect their word, they ain't sh*t. And I would never blaspheme God by claiming His Word is wrong
vincent15641 1 month ago
@vincent15641 Right on, I agree. God can and did preserve His word, it shouldn't be that hard for God to protect it. I believe the 1611and the preservation of what God did to make that happen is a miracle.
Churchnote 1 month ago
@Churchnote See my video called "America in the Bible" or my video "Aimed At America 1", which reveals patterns that I've discovered only manifest in the King James Bible.
Some claim I practice numerology. But all I do is show how the "hidden wisdom" (1st Corinthians 2:7) lines up through parallel numbers or through correlations.
Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches through "comparing" (1st Corinthians 2:13), which is the way to "prove all things" (1st Thessalonians 5:21).
vincent15641 1 month ago
Everything we know about Mohammed and Islam is taught to us by your ambassadors, the suicide bombers.
speedstick77 2 months ago
As a Muslim you are free to comment here, but where there are Muslim videos comments and ratings are disabled. That is very telling.
speedstick77 2 months ago
@speedstick77
Hi Mr Speed well what u said i also have noticed.but there is somethin very imp u fail to realise n u tell me what i am abt to say is true or not.We Muslims no doubt Respect Jesus lots.Same as we Respect Mohammed,Moses,Abraham n all other Prophets BE PEACE UPON THEM ALL.We do maintain Jesus is not God or Son of GOD in same way as u christans beleive.But still we do respect him and always praise him same way as we do MOHAMMAD(PBUH).No muslim utter ever bad words abt Jesus(PBUH)
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
@speedstick77
But you Christans start hurling abuses at our beloved Prophet and that also for no reason.But still in retaliation no muslim wud ever say any bad word abt Jesus (PBU THEM ALL).And do u know why because the same Muhammed whom u all leave no chance to insult made us Beleive in Jesus.On his testimony Millions of Muslim all over world love and revere Jesus(PBUH).Infact we Muslims mention Jesus name more respectfully than u christans do because we dont forget to add(PBUH).
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
@speedstick77
But you all mention Jesus name so casually as if he is your high school buddyFrankly we shud not expect u all to respect Muhammad(PBUH) when u all do not respect your own JESUS(PBUH).If it comes to following Jesus and other prophets we are more christans than christans themselevs and More Jew than the jews themselves.1)All muslims circumcised like Jesus n Moses were(PBU THEM ALL).2)We do not eat porrk.3)We dont drink ,we dont gamble n on n on.I mean Muslim as a whole
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
@speedstick77
And just analyse this scenario.Say lets beleive for a second that u Christans are right in all respect.Like its true that Jesus is God or Son Of GOD or whatever u all beleive i say so because u christans are always have new and different ideas abt Jesus.Anyway if on judgement day U christans are right and Almighty questions we muslim.We can still say God we respect u all our life and We did respect Jesus (PBUH) also though we did not beleive he is GOD
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
@morpheusdejavu1 all a waste of time... religion is a human invention to control masses b y explaining the unexplainable.
Solid evidence exists that "we" are an experiment, put on earth by "them". Different types of human races are mixed thogether to see the outcome, periodically "they" come in and inject wonderfull "discoveries" to speed up things a bit....
They probabbly have bets about how long it takes to destroy ourselves...
canals22 2 months ago in playlist Debunk Christianity
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@canals22
Quote: Solid evidence exists that "we" are an experiment, put on earth by "them".
Have you watched the movie The Adjustment Bureau? Kind of fits in with what your talking about. Movie is based on a book written by Phillip K Dick The Adjustment Team
Very good movie ordering book today.
CosmosPrivateer 2 months ago
@speedstick77
And we muslims do never uttered bad word abt Jesus(PBUH) and since u all say JESUS is very merciful then we can be very sure that he is likely to forgive because we do worship Father in heaven and also respect JESUS though as a prophet.But if Muslims turn out to be right then where u all wud land.imagine calling a human SON OF GOD and also disrespecting a Prophet Mohammad PBUH.So now if u analyse we muslims safe in any condition but vice versa not true.I pray ALLAH guide us all
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
@speedstick77
So if u want to confirm just look at the comments that u peace loving christans give abt HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) and the comments which we give for respect.We do say that christans are wrong but when it comes to Jesus we respect him always.So that comment disable cooment of your in certain case is true but if u true person of GOD then u cant disagree with me that though we do not consider Jesus God still we respect him same way as we do MUHAMMAD(PBU EM ALL) but opp is not tru
morpheusdejavu1 2 months ago
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"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. Quran 2.79 (Surat Al-Bakarah , verse 79)
sparkbrains 2 months ago
jews camje from judah son of abraham, so abraham was not jewish of course.
786786400 2 months ago
1st get some education before you open your mouth,Te'rah was hebrew,his granfather Eber was hebrew,Abraham was hebrew,Ishmael & Isaac were hebrews,They jews are not decendants of Abraham,they are khazarian(european)their lineage trace back to ashkenazi,who grand father is ja'pheth,these are the Gentiles;Gen10:1 go see it then research it.Jews & Israelites are two different nations,go learn something then apply it to you lack of knowledge,don't come back until you are learned
mrdedat1 2 months ago
@mrdedat1 I want to read what u read about the European Jews!!!
Luminati216 2 months ago
@Luminati216-simple,research khazars,or the ppl. of gog & magogue,or ashkenazi jews,these are the ppl whom today are called european jews.
mrdedat1 2 months ago 2
The horizontal discrepancies don't mean much, because if you get four major newspapers published on the same day covering the same major event; Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination, 911 etc. You'll of course see that they don't match up. One reporter will include something another didn't and vice versa. This will happen even with four top notch reporters working for the same newspaper standing next to each other when the event took place. This makes the accounts look more genuine, not less genuine.
metallicstucco 2 months ago
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watch my video misquoting muhammad - the corruption of the quran
Ehrman believes Jesus was crucified just like almost every historian and scholar.. why do historians never go to the quran to study the historical Jesus? They always go to the New Testament because quran is garbage
JesusOrMuhammad 3 months ago 4
@JesusOrMuhammad-ppl. run to the bible(biblos which is an idolatour word)b/c they're taught from generation to generation of a blond haired blue eyed man,the real name of the mythical character jesusis YAHOSHUA,WHICH IS THE HEBREW NAME OF JOSHUA.the jesus character is the name of the pharoah name ptolomy 1st,whom constantine later name jesus,which is latin,jesus wasn't latin or greek or jew,he was hebrew.
mrdedat1 2 months ago
It is extremely rare to find one Chinese restaurant menu that doesn't have "character" mistakes. Just in case you didn't know, the older Chinese people often create their own form of Chinese characters. Sometimes there may be minor differences; sometimes the characters are unrecognizable.
nicelogin2 3 months ago
As many people know, Chinese written language has existed for thousands of years. However, each character don't often pass onto the next generations in the same form (or the same shape). Even now, many of the older Chinese people are proficient in writing Chinese; however, each of them can have different ways of writing the same character. The most noticeable area is in the Chinese restaurant menus(hand written or typed). About 99% of all Chinese restaurants have mistakes in their menus.
nicelogin2 3 months ago
These are moslem channel uploads. The purpose of using these uploads is for Islamic propaganda. It is for those who are perishing to believe this man or Islam. I have many moslem people I debate with that upload his videos, that if its not stopped utube will have to be called BStube
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah debate my ass! How the hell do you debate when you don't answer any question? You're an anti-semite and a coward!
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah You should upload your debates so we can see for ourselves what a master debtor you are. lol
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@ilikemike2436 You have a problem. Seek help
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah Is this answer an example of your master debating skills?
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah Has anyone seen God?
No
Exodus 33:20
John 1:18
1 Timothy 6:16
Yes
Exodus 24:9-11
Exodus 6:3
Deuteronomy 34:10
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah Leprosy can be cured by bird and lamb blood.
Leviticus 14:1-25
If you ever get Leprosy here is your cure. Let me know how that works out for you. Note: GOD gave detailed instructions on how to cure leprosy by using bird and lamb's blood.
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@ilikemike2436 Are you Bart or his brother, son. You sound weird.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah-you can run but you can't hide,why?If you make lies of the scriptures & God & jesus we will always find you.Insha-Allah.Where you been lady i'm still waiting on those hadiths you said would be the big gun that trashes the prophet & islam.Where are they?
mrdedat1 3 months ago
@mrdedat1 Excuse me but your mouth said something very dirty and I refuse to speak to someone who speaks with that looseness. I referred to the hadiths as being very disgusting disclosures I didn't think you would make a blurp out as to actually saying a low disgusting description of something eluded to. I just can't understand how so called modest women could write that and self righteous professing moslems can speak it. This guy Erhman is dumb. Jew, to christian, to agnostic, now moslem?
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
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@TheLionessjudah-aw now you can't say what is written,but you can say:John3:16,& lie on the creator that he committed illegal sexual intercorse with mary,for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son.The word begotten is a filthy term used to say god "sired" a child,but you don't say filthy words.or how about this one,Paul paul why does thou persecute me,why does thou kickest against the "PRICKS"really lady your a joke.
mrdedat1 3 months ago
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ilikemike2436 3 months ago
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@TheLionessjudah You should ask Les what's-his-name since you don't know.
How strong is your faith Mrs. Pious?
Jesus said that if you believe in him you will be immune to snakes and any deadly poison.
Mark 16:16-18 and Luke 10:19
Because of these verses religious groups in the Appalachian Mountains and other parts of the United States such as Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, West Virginia and Ohio practice snake handling...continue
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
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@TheLionessjudah Church services often include not only the handling of venomous snakes but also handling fire and drinking water laced with poison such as strychnine and arsenic.
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
"Why don't they have a degree?"
Maybe because in order to get a degree many things must occur.
1) education system
2) access to said educational system
3) financial support while attending institutions, which in the case of advance degrees requires support from birth to almost middle age.
These and many more may be the reason an independent researcher does not have a degree.
One must judge a work by it's content not credentials.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@42:00
Regarding the ending of Mark, if the women told no one, how does Mark know?
Either Mark is a liar and the women did tell someone who then told Mark, or the implication is that Mark knows because he made it up.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
I looked up the name Ehrman and its a Jewish name, German Jew. Interesting to have found that connection. He has a site where anyone can donate money to him. Islam must be really donating in that slot.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
Why is it interesting that his surname is of Jewish/German origin? How does that in anyway relate to his scholarship?
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake Well if you go into a theology with a Jewish perspective on not believing, and you go with the intent not to learn what God said by Faith, but to tear it apart for some future gain, that would be a limiting factor. The fact is that Islam is discrediting the Bible based on Erhman, and use him for that purpose. There are two segments he can get his books sold to, the agnostic and the moslem. I am sure he did his math on how his prosperity antichrist research would pad him.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
But he comes from a christian fundamentalist background not a jewish one. Most of what he does is not theology, its history.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
The same critical method can be applied, and is, to any text, including the Old Testament and the
Koran will similar results.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake That doesn't explain the motives for the actions. This man has an axe to grind with his Creator, the only problem is, his head is under the axe, not God's, only a fool would gladly put himself there for his personal ego and greed. God is Sovereign, man is not.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
What part of his work makes you believe this? Textual scholars have long pointed out differences in textual traditions. Almost everything Ehrman says has long been said by others.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake Oh really. If you listen to Les Feldick on his website, here is a man with no scholarly degree, but he can explain and teach the Bible comparing scripture to scripture, O.T. to N.T. and the scriptures are so divinely matching in all the references, that you are amazed. Erhman may have the letters after his name, but he doesn't understand the workings of God. He wants to play a game with the Bible for profit. Islam loves him, can't kiss up to him enough. Let him enjoy the ride.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
Are you denying that there exist manuscript differences?
That is his main argument, that there exist textual variations in the different ancient manuscripts we have. This has been known for hundreds of years, at least since John Mill's Greek NT where he compared & noted differences between 100 different manuscripts. Today, we have thousands of ancient manuscripts. This became a major problem with the invention of printing, where they had to decide which manuscript to print.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@Wil Look at Abraham the first Gentile called out, what did he rely on for his Faith. God said to leave his home, he left, God said to go to the land I choose for you, he went, God said I will make your seed multiply like the stars of the sky, too numerous to count. He had no children, how long did he wait with just the promise of what God said. Now Bart Erhman comes along and we all have to throw Faith out the window because God didn't work out for him. You can have Bart, I'll keep my Faith.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
Are we watching the same video? Erhman says nothing regarding losing ones faith. Many Christians accept his work and see no problem between their faith & critical scholarship.
Is your faith so insecure that the idea of scribal errors would destroy it? If so, I pity you because scribal errors do exist. All you have to do is examine them. They are in this place called libraries.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake So he found scribal errors, the agnostic? Wow Bart is going to make corrections to God's Word for scribal errors. In the mean time, the Bible does say there is a curse on anyone who adds or subtracts from the word. Let us wait and see about that. Don't worry about my Faith, worry about your own. And many moslems are accepting his work moreso than So called christians. I don't want to dote on Bart, and waste my time when people need to hear God's Truth.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
He didn't find the errors, he just reports them. He makes no mention of he himself correcting anything.
All Erhman is, is the messenger, don't blame him.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
I just seen the segment where Colbert had him on the show, and Bart was made to look so foolish. Colbert was clever to show how you can mince words to fit a meaning, and I have to applaud him, he was wise like a serpent and gentle as a dove. Bart is just some insecure guy that is about the extent of it. The real problem is that Bart can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven, but he leaves you all in the dust because you may never get to hear his confession just his works and believed on him.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah
All I can regarding you is, "Forgive him, for he knows not what he does"
Regards,
Sincerely,
Vilhelmo.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake-this women is a certified fool,she never answers any questions,these trinity christians rarely do,they can't,if they answer questions they leave the door open to their hypocracy so the dance around question,instead they throw out many verses & when you refute the verses they say we read or interpret it wrong,i put pauls ass on trial,& i used God as the judge & jesus as the jury in which both called paul a liar,what did she do?nothing,she never acknowledged it she ran away
mrdedat1 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake-now she says Abraham was a gentile.if she had really read the bible she would've seen that Abraham was a hebrew.this shows she doesn't know a damn thing about he bible or her religion.
mrdedat1 3 months ago
@mrdedat1
Who is "she"?
Abraham was the forefather of many tribes, including the Ishmaelites, Edomites, Israelites, and Midianites.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@WilhelmDrake-this i know,but she doesn't she thinks he was a gentile(decendants of ja'pheth),she is some crazy lady who refuses to read even the words of her own scholars.i think she is an christian missionary or an evangalist.either way she is steadfast in her disbelief...hotep
mrdedat1 3 months ago
@mrdedat1
Technically all of the descendents of Abraham excepts for the Israelites would be classified as gentiles.
Ab was supposedly born in Ur of the Chaldees, so I guess that makes him Chaldean.
That being said, I in no way believe that Abraham actually existed.
WilhelmDrake 3 months ago
@mrdedat1 What the hell are you talking about, are you saying that Ishmael was Jewish by his father? lol. So all the tribes of Ishmael are of Jewish descent from Abraham. Wow. I wonder if Abraham knows about this?
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah-all of the decendants of Ishmael are hebrews,as was Abraham,Ishmael is Abrahams 1st born son,he was the sacrificed one.If Abraham was a hebrew then all his decendants are therefore hebrews.
mrdedat1 2 months ago
@mrdedat1
Duh the decendants of Ishmael are Arbs not Hebrews
Ibrahim never was hebrew go learn the ho history
m3d2 2 months ago
@m3d2-No,you need a history lesson,1st Ibrahim(Abraham)was a hebrew,go research,2nd,the word arab pertains to the country,ppl. are labeled by the place they liveed,but that isn"t who they are,Ishmaels father being a hebrew(not isrealite)makes his son a hebrew.Abraham wasn't,a jew or christian.
mrdedat1 2 months ago 2
@mrdedat1 Ibrahim come from Babylonians even the grandfather of the jews Isaac wasn't Hebrews just the descendants of Jacob" israel" are Hebrews coz the descendants of the oldest son Esau were the Edomites and it's fany to seay hebrew not isreailit coz hebrew is just a tongue aka language of the jews it's like to say noah was Semitic while he was the father of three race include the the Semitic people
m3d2 2 months ago
This is the New Age Judas Iscariot. Getting paid by Islam to sell Christ short, nevertheless, cursed was that man, that Christ said It would have been better if he never was born. Such is the punishment of men like this. If you can't believe in the Bible believe on this that you can see the evil of the man Judas up to the moment Christ was led to the crucifixation, now Islam can feast their eyes at least up to that point, in seeing the Judas here doing the same.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah and just which bible should we believe? The Vulgat, The Septuagint, Coptic, Farsi?
ilikemike2436 3 months ago in playlist Biblical Research
@ilikemike2436 Farsi is the language of Iran, Coptic is for the arab Egyptian and the translation from Hebrew to Greek. These are languages, the Word of God is still going to be the Word of God. What is off center is the Heart of Men who don't have Faith in the Word of God.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah The point is is that all these bibles say different things and have different books in them and since you appear so knowledgeable tell me which bible is the word of God? The Ethiopian, The Geneva, The King James? Which King James? The original 1611 printing with the Apocrypha, without the Apocrypha, the new King James or the 21st Century King James? Tell me which one is the word of God and how you know that?! Answer the Question!!
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
Do you know that the Creation around you is enough and man is accountible to know even by it, that there is a God, there is even accountablility in the Creation alone. When your heart isn't open for God to come in, does it matter what translation is good over the other. I have no problem with the Bible and I read the Apocryphra, the King James. The thief at the cross didn't have the materials you have, but he believed and was saved. Go to Les Feldick, he teaches the Bible, see for yourself.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah You say the word of God is the word of God? That would mean The Qur'aan, The book of Mormon,The Gita and The Vedas are also the word of God which also have stories about the creation.
If translation doesn't matter as long as your heart is open to God, then you would accept the New World Translation as the word of God?
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah Thomas knew Jesus intimately and witnessed his miracles for himself but still said... "But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@ilikemike But complete it with what Christ said, given this generation which is actually denying the very existence of God, we have become the fulfillment of the prophecy stated in the Word, which is the ironic part. I debate with many moslems, and they are discrediting the Bible.I was in a spiritual need and only when you are put under that need, ( I don't want to get personal here), you realize quickly their is a spiritual battle for the souls of men, the last thing we need is disarmorment.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah That is not an answer. Is salvation through faith or through works?
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
or by faith...
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@ilikemike2436 Faith, because what would heaven be like if everyone boasted on how they got there, that would be horrible. You can do good works but after you believe on the Gospel of Grace first that Christ alone bore your sins on the Cross, was buried and rose from the dead. That is Faith, plus nothing. You can't do anything to earn a place in heaven, otherwise Grace is voided.. You cannot earn a gift, God gives it to you, you claim it by believing it. I have to go will be back for part 2.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@ilikemike After your Faith on the finished work, As Christ at the cross said, It Is Finished, before the Tribulation, The Church, body of believers will be lifted out, because the fullness of the gentiles is reached, then the Gospel of the of the Kingdom comes back to be preached by the remnant 144,000 Priestly Jews called out. When the liftting out occurs, those believers will be brought before the Lord, not for Judgement but for rewards for advancing the Gospel preached to all nations.
TheLionessjudah 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah Wrong. Salvation is based on works only. Jeremiah 17:10, Ezekiel 18:27, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 19:17, Romans 2:6, Romans 2:13, James 2:14, Revelation 22:14.
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah I don't really care what your opinion is about what you believe. There are no original writings to any parts of the bible. There are no copies of the originals and no copies of the copies. If you don't believe me you can google search "P52." And even this is a copy. The King James Bible is based on 10th century manuscripts copied from other manuscripts and they didn't have The Dead Sea Scrolls ....continue
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah All these manuscripts have changes in many different places, mistakes and all say something different. If we don't have the original words then we do not know what the original words even were. When you read your King James Bible you are NOT reading the original words. You are reading translated copies of copies of copies produced more than 1600 years later....continue
ilikemike2436 3 months ago
@TheLionessjudah It would have been no more difficult for God to perserve the original words than it was for him to inspire them in the first place. If God choose not to preserve the original words then maybe he didn't inspire them either. This is all that your faith is based on.
God has absolutely no obligation to judge humanity based on books created by human beings with changes, mistakes, inconsistencies, contradictions and footnotes in them.
ilikemike2436 3 months ago