Bujinkan: Hatsumi desarmar um Samurai? Vamos pensar... como realmente seria isso??

[SuperBrunout]

esse cara ensinando a desarmar um samurai nao e muito util nao,o cara nemuso velocidade no ataque e sem falar que era um golpe muito obvio um samurai jamais faria isso

[leicamaster]

kendo and kenjutsu are different and attacking at that speed when you don't know what kind of weapon someone may have is sloppy and dangerous.

[SexualTransformer]

Amigão, vamos deixar umas coisas claras: você deve ser o típico idiota que pensa que só indo em algumas aulas já acha que domina todas as partes e todos os detalhes de algo. Se fosse assim, amigo, eu ia pra NASA só por ter visto 2001 - Uma Odisséia no Espaço. Depois, o Kendo, que, no caso, é um esporte e não uma arte propriamente dita, tem como objetivo só tocar a cabeça do oponente, enquanto o samurai atacaria pra dilacerar. Acho que você precisa se informar melhor pra ser mais que só um hater.

[VtrGott]

@SexualTransformer

Melhor do q ser o tipo de idiota q nao sabe ler, como vc. Eu não sou o criador do video, apenas legendei.

Vc q parece estar precisando se informar melhor sobre o Kendo e Kenjutsu heim... fikdik.

[SexualTransformer]

@VtrGott Eu não sei ler tanto quanto você não sabe pensar. lol

Bom, já falei o que eu tinha que falar, se você não respondeu o que eu disse e desviou pra outras coisas... é nóis, né?

[BrazilianNinja1]

@VtrGott Você é que está precisando se informar melhor, meu caro. Pelo jeito não conhece nada sobre a Bujinkan e Masaaki Hatsumi. Hatsumi não precisa provar nada a ninguém. Seu currículo fala por sí mesmo. A propósito, Hatsumi conhece muito bem o manejo de um Katana, sendo ele mestre em Kenjutsu, já que 3 das 9 escolas da Bujinkan são de tradição Samurai. Sugiro que você se informe um pouco melhor antes de falar sobre o que não conhece!

[nilsama]

Olá! Quando vc coloca desta forma realmente parece entranho, mas vamos analisar um pouco mais ok?

Este kenjutso que vc mostra é uma versão "politicamente correta" do que era no passado. Se vc parar pra pensar um samurai não poderia apenas bater a espada no inimigo, pois geraria um ferimento superficial. Ele tinha que corta-lo! Isso significa cortar ossos também, por isso os movimentos no ninjutso fazem mais sentido entende?

[nilsama]

E o movimento de desarme n era usado exatamente assim sempre, pense na essencia do golpe. Aprendendo como ele deve ser executado e aonde deve ser aplicada a força, vc conconsegue adaptar para a situação de combate real em que vc esteja no momento.

Esta é minha visão dos fatos, obrigado por colocar o assunto em discussão.

[andersonnata]

Só pra lembrar (e isso é registro histórico): Os ninjas foram uma tremenda dor de cabeça para os samurais. De onde saiu o Kenjutsu amigo? Ah, ok! ^^

[VtrGott]

@andersonnata Uma dor de cabeça em questões politicas, não necessariamente no combate.

De onde surgiu o Kenjutsu? Vc fala como se ele tivesse se originado do Ninjutsu, se é isso q quis dizer, está errado.

[rpbreslau666]

@andersonnata Bom, pelo que dizem os registros historicos, um ninja nunca seria pareo para um samurai em um combate direto, por isso mesmo utilizavam tantos artificios e armas diferentes...

[gambito3031]

jajaj es l oque pasa el bujinkan es una estafa, esta bien como ejercicio pero si se enfrentaran a un kendoca de verda les pondria las pilas ! jajaja, ademas que maenra de atacar mas falsa para darle tiempo al maestro a quitarse!

[mdiem]

Well that was pretty dumb.

@ 1:40 a light tap on top of the head and then turns his back on his opponent?

I'm supposed to be afraid of that?

[israelccarvalho]

tenho respeito por outras tecnicas e estilos de luta... mas o postador do vídeo tem total razão, o vídeo foi infeliz uma luta com espada não é esse mar de rosas, a não ser que o cara com a espada não saiba usa-la, ai sim ok o video está corretíssimo!

[Andres244872]

Why do we waste time talking about things we actually don´t know, understand nor even seen personally before... just in case you didn't know, 3 of 9 schools teached in bujinkan have samurai roots... I think hatsumi knows what he is doing....

[VtrGott]

@Andres244872 well, good its not my case then, ive seen Ninjutsu personally and trained too.

Whatever samurai tools they could have is loooong forgotten, a friend of mine, kenjutsu and kendo master, watched this video, agreed and laughted.

Sorry for my bad english.

[AbsolutFred]

Starting at the fact that nowadays no one will attack you with a sword, and the will not use a stick that way I think that learning this is useless... as 60% of bujinkan teachings...

[togorokan]

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[FX3ful]

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[furedony]

Goddamn stupid video uploader!

Ninjutsu is the art of deceiving. That's exactly what Hatsumi was doing right there. The guy attacking wouldn't move and do a spinning slash just to kill a guy who is "defenseless", geez.

And Musashi is on another level, don't compare him to anything, he's beyond.

[kainheinrich]

the trick is actually quite simple..... you pretend to be a "sitting duck" then when the stike comes move at the very last second, the reason the kendo students move so quickly is because they know the other man is also armed and if they dont move quickly they get hit, but if you have a sword and are going to attack someone unnarmed, would you really move like that? spend energy? NO! specially if the man standing in front of you is an old man, you get confident... thats where you die.

[AbsolutFred]

I do respect Hatsumi... he is a brilliant merchant, guys do you really think a real samurai... lets say miyamoto musashi would attack like that jackass over there? really on this one

[mumiakickboxer]

lúcido

[oni1shinobi]

Without coming down on one side of the fence or the other, I will say I have tried mutodori techniques against iaido and kendo practitioners. It is a wake up call and it is not at all easy, but is is possible. Kendo guys do not move like koryu because they are not martial artists but sportsmen, but this doesn't take away from their skills. I have also trained against MMA and Muai Thai guys. These guys might be athletes too, but still very tough and difficult to practice against.

[pwrflame13]

haha, seriously?? that's Kendo you're showing.

Talk about unrealistic, nobody with a real katana would move like the people in Kendo do, trust me. Samurai did not move like that.

[ravenwitch1]

My fovourite one in when hatsumi dodges a sword in seiza and then stand up and take out a hanbo to finish "the samurai"... nonsense.

This BJK in majority are just LARPers, this techniques woulnd´t ever work in real life, who ever thinks they would obviously hasn´t seen a real swordman in action, thy´re so quick and do a lot of feints and mutations, it´s not so easy

[DragonShinobi11]

@ravenwitch1 this isnt easy as you think, and is not ineffective as it may appear, if you pratice and try yourself to hit a good praticer in ninjutsu you will see that the tecniques really work. Ninjutsu is a martial art of war used by SWAT and special military forces of Israel, it wouldnt be if it was inefective.

[ravenwitch1]

@DragonShinobi11 that´s true, SOME techniques done and teach properly work, but THE VAST MAJORITY of them are just crazy fantasies and choreographed moves, the tricky part here is that out there are LOTS of "ninjas" who think everything they learn at their classes work...even nonsense techniques. Many military/police hire cheap masters to fillup unarmed combat classes, it´s just protocol. In the 80s US Marines hired a master who supposedly teach them Hwa Rang Do; legendary art of "invisibility"

[DragonShinobi11]

@ravenwitch1 I pratice Ninjutsu, and already praticed Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Capoeira and Boxing, and i like to study about other Martial Arts styles, so i have a lot of experience in martial arts. The problem in most of the discussions about martial arts in general is that peoples like to judge one style with the "eyes" of another. If you see a Kung Fu move thinking that Muai Thay is the right way, the move will be completely wrong and vice versa.

[DragonShinobi11]

@ravenwitch1 With the experience i got, i can say that nothing i learned in Ninjutsu was "crazy fantasies and choreographed moves", if you saw a move like this in youtube thats fake. All moviments i learned are very usefull, "simple" and efficient. And in no way are meant to be beautiful, no aerial somersaults and flying kicks.

Ninjutsu is a martial art that was passed and developed for thousands of years, and was mandatory for the survival of so many clans, how could it be alive if didnt work?

[ravenwitch1]

@DragonShinobi11 yeah good 4 you, you have a good sensei i suposse, but out there are lots of bad teachers that indeed show bad/ridiculous/dangerous techniques they label as ninjutsu, even Hatsumi himself tends to do impractical techniques just to fill time in his shows. That´s right one thing is the medieval ninja war skills and other entirely different thing is this kind of "ninjutsu bussines show". Have you actually use it in critical situations? no? well then it´s just skill especulation

[ravenwitch1]

some of this stuff should work cause it´s based on jujitsu but the most majority are useless variations of the same technique, especially the so called "advanced ones". I do practice various MA mainly Krav Maga, Systema, Jujitsu, kenjutsu & aikijutsu and some Wushu Crane style, in my kenjutsu experience i can say for sure this techniques have a 5% os success against a swordman, even done by Hatsumi himself..being soke does not grant him "superpowers" as many people tend to belive.

[DragonShinobi11]

@ravenwitch1 Thats right, there are a lot of bad teachers teaching a lot of "show off" techniques, but i assure you that the Ninjutsu teached in the right way is a very efficient martial art.

This move in the video of course dont work if the swordman knows what the unnarmed man will do, but ninjutsu is all about deceiving the opponent and defeat him with unexpected moves. A good practitioner should know how to turn the situation, and so that movement would be used later, after deceiving him.

[luizflamorim]

Hatsumi sensei está demonstrando na frente das cameras um movimento base. Com ot reinamento deste, com certeza, você também pode escapar de uma espada, assim como o domínio de uma espada pode matar um lutador mal treinado. Pense que a Bujinkan tem raíz histórica, isto é, realmente ajudou as pessoas da época a sobreviverem. Hatsumi Sensei está intimamente ligado à isso. Se é algo que não funciona para você, pense que para muitos isto dá certo, talvez pois tenhamos tido mais dedicação e paciência.

[luizflamorim]

O que você está comparando é um treinamento com uma situação esportiva. Quando você está aprendendo a dirigir, você não engata a 5ª marcha, e sim, engata a primeira, solta a embreagem de pouquinho... Eu já vi vários vídeos de uns caras falando que já treinaram na Bujinkane que não ficaram satisfeitos. Mas, comparar duas situações distintas é diferente.

[sebastianaparicio]

Kendo is a sport and its practitioners strike

armed opponents, at distances

"" Sport "when in fact the

war were attacked for not dying, not

sports earn points

[thenoirkid]

just like to point out the fact that this type of kendo is a sport and the type of techniques Hatsumi is teaching are all meant to be effective against real swords and traditional sword fighting techniques, such as those utilised by the samurai. Back in Edo period japan, when samurai fought it would have been completely different to the sights you see at kendo matches. They didn’t attempt to tap their opponent on the head. Duels were short and every strike counted, and was committed to.

[Arteanor]

@thenoirkid

"the type of techniques Hatsumi is teaching are all meant to be effective against real swords and traditional sword fighting techniques, such as those utilised by the samurai"

but a samurai isn't going to accomodate and

A) charge and extend massively off centre.

B) intentionally miss... (hatsumi's dodge shows that the swordsmen was never TRYING to hit him... its all just the BujinCON

seems you cannot see that which is under your nose... i can show u with boken if you come up!

[TheBujinKan]

i insist... the real cut of a katana end in the hip, becouse not, u cant kill anyone, an y know that, how real cuts are, because one of the nine ninja schools that im studing in bujinkan, teachs how use a katana! so... if u fist a guy like in the kendo video with a real katana, you can cut him,but no kill him...

[alemdolimite2]

a única forma de desarmar um samurai é usando uma arma de fogo, hahahaah, esse cara tá de zuera, os ataques foram lentosssssss.

[ginorodrigues1982]

Then you won't have the time to leave some of the silly comments I have seen below.

[ginorodrigues1982]

Internet always seems to have several people that claim to be a jack of all trades. Don't they realize they are masters of none?

People like Mr. Hatsumi spent decades working hard in perfecting and promoting they're chosen martial art. Who gives anyone the right to criticize? All martial arts are good, and no martial art is for everyone.... rather than criticizing go out there and choose one that is right for you and learn for yourself how hard it is to perfect it...

[Billawaga]

Hahahaha! weak!

[Gennosuke89]

Ok...if u realy thing u can overpower Hatsumi....then go to the fucking Japan n challenge him...so this way...u gonna see how shiity u r close to him. Tnkx...Die!

[cobolt02]

Kendo does not equal samurai kenjutsu

[KOGR11]

what is called kendo today is an integral part of kenjutsu training. it has been and always will be if one ever wanted to learn kenjutsu with a wholistic approach.

[psyxex]

Another asshole talking sh1t about something he dont even know... this is pointless... you are just one miserable fuck talking for free...

[Shinobiriz]

Ninjutsu is not a art of samurai

[TheBujinKan]

yea try to kill some one with that kind of smash form kendo competitions!... can i ask u something? r u studding ninjutsu or kendo? i don`t think so!... so why u just don´t shut up! jerk!!!

[tekija1]

Real swordfighting has nothing to do with kendo pointsparring. Sorry :-(

[KOGR11]

kendo doesnt claim to be real swordfighting

[tekija1]

Well maybe I didnt know that? Watch the video before you comment pointless comments.

[KOGR11]

@tekija1 sure for you it seems fairly pointless

[tekija1]

Yeah, like suddenly telling that Kenjutsu has something to do with swords. Yeah. So what? Whats the big idea telling this? You replied to my post after all.

[KOGR11]

@tekija1 i did reply to what you said about kendo point sparring having nothing to do with sword fighting or not. kendo was always a part of any kenjutsu training. and kenjutsu traning IS the real sword fitghting. what are you complaining about?

[tekija1]

Its completely irrelevant to rush from bushes to tell everybody that kendo does not claim to be this and that. I didnt write anything like that. No connection to my post at all. This video is about comparing kendo point sparring to bujinkan budô taijutsu, which is stupid. Modern kendo has very little to do with any battlefields. Its sport. If you still didnt get the idea, I think I cant help you.

[KOGR11]

@tekija1 ah my mistake then, i was under the impression you were saying kendo has nothing to do with kenjutsu. however i repeat again, a kenjustu practioner who hasnt been exposed to the kendo style ferocity and speed can not possibly claim to have any applicable knowledge fo his training. continued next comment

[KOGR11]

@tekija1 so in retrospect what this video was trying to show was that by taking away that aspect bujinkan is infact demonstrating defence in such a theoretical manner that for a student of today it would be rather difficult to have any practical understanding of an actual application. i am not saying the technic demonstrated here is absurd either but rather that the student will consider the sword attack to be as mildly done as that shown here

[tekija1]

Your opinion.

[KOGR11]

cliche.

[tekija1]

Cliche?

[banjop84]

what is this shit? Comparing Bujinkan with kenjutsu? My god.

[VtrGott]

Im not really comparing Bujinkan with Kenjutsu, i just telling that Hatsume would die if he try this aganist a real samurai, no doubt.

[banjop84]

Here is the thing we can't really know that, why you may ask? If you look at the kenjutsu clip with the one with Hatsumi, he, for one thing isn't having a sword in his hand, kenjutsu is a sport, both are aiming at areas that will give them points. And if those practitioners didn't have any kind of protection they would not fight like that. Trust me.

[KOGR11]

kenjutsu my friend is not a sport, kendo is. if you are a proponent of bujinkan you shold know even bujinkan has kenjutsu schools inside it, no matter how ambigious their backgrounds are. bujinkan training methods on weapons especially sword are simply meant to teach the theories, and most bujinkan schools focus on tai jutsu anyways, overall bujinkan is hardly an authority on this. and no if anyone wanted to learn kenjutsu they will have to have kendo or elements thereby in the curriculmn.

[yosetpaz]

Try it jajajaja,

[TheBujinKan]

with that kind of cut! like kendo competitions u cant even cut a paper... please study ninjutsu and after that make a coment... u don´t really know nothing about this art i'll tell u one difference between kendo and ninjutsu.. ninjutsu steel teaching like a martial art since 900 years ago! that kind of kendo it's a sport! jerk!

[KOGR11]

what is called kendo is an integral part of a whollistic approach to kenjutsu. you can not possibly seperate the kendo element to even understand kenjutsu, but a kendoka is there to understand just the kendo part he doesnt claim to know kenjutsu. "ninjutsu steel teaching like a martial art since 900 years ago" is a serious fallacy its simply impossible, even hatsumi sensei knows that its just impractical to claim.

[Shinobiriz]

lol Hatsumi could fight wit sword to remember that...

[GregTehGoose]

not really man, those are techniques that have been passed down since fuedal japan times, when there were samurai they could use it against, and they won.

[DavidVerbart]

@VtrGott Nah he probably wont. First: If someone walks around with a sword he'll be arested........

Second: He actually can do that stuff even in real battles. The man has been learning this his intire life.

[tekija1]

@VtrGott Well... chances against a guy with a sword is... LOL. Swordman should always win, but that kenjutsu is point-sparring and that makes this video pointless.

[DragonShinobi11]

@VtrGott Think about it, Hatsumi was unarmed, fighting a guy with a sword, what are the chances of survival of a person in that situation? If you put Hatsumi with a sword against an unarmed Hatsumi, of course will win the one with a sword because he has the advantage. But he did very well against the guy with the sword, this technique is effective, but of course it will be harder against a person with high ability.

[kabbinet]

@VtrGott Yeah propably. But Imagine a trained shinobi or Ninja during medival Japan, sneaking into a castle at night. being cought by a noob guard that probably never drawn his katana from his Saya I would say from what I've seen could be usefull. I've practiced Jiu Jitsu and when defending from weapons you always needs your opponent to strike first. that way you can caught him offguard.

[Asodog001]

Old news~!!! Bujinkan= Bulljinkan