@jazzymansam It's a Demon Drive pedal. But it's the foot that's the most important part of the equation. Joe Morello's instructional video has a black and white clip of him playing a solo back in the 60s. He plays 16ths on the kick, heel down, at about 110bpm. Ridiculous!
@pfefftube Right, I will check that out. I've been having problems with my new direct drive yamaha pedal recently. Can't decide if it's wheteher I've changed from chain driven or whether it's my 16" kick drum, or the aquarian super kick head. I can't get the free flowing technique or rebound. Any advice/ideas what could be going wrong? Much appreciated, good luck with Wishbone Ash. I've been to see them a couple of times. They are my Dad's favourite band!
@jazzymansam I wouldn't just rush out and buy one. I like it a lot, but most people I've spoken to think it feels weird. Check out my bass drum technique video on my website (see video description for link) for some control ideas.
You my dear boy are a fine drummer and teacher well done ! total on the money Have you got any more clips, excellent drumming its a journy and you have almost arrived .
Very well done mate in this clear explanation of that Vinnie groove!!! Great stuff I admire your diligence. Please see my videos for a contrasting lack of diligence!!!
Hey Joe Ijust stumbeled upon your video here. Nice job explaing and teaching this groove! Thanks....it's like midnight now and you have me wanting to play my drums. ha ha
Thanks so much for doing this, Joe...I was the one that had asked you about that groove about a year ago...you'd initially answered that it was some sort of broken 16th note pattern on the hi-hat...but I never thought you'd go all the way into breaking down the groove like this...this is great. And what a groove...I wish I knew where it was from...someone said it was a Frank Zappa thing, but I can't imagine what one..it somehow doesn't sound like anything he would have done with Zappa...
Thanks so much for doing this, Joe...it was actually me that had asked you about that groove about a year ago...you'd initially answered that it was some sort of broken 16th note pattern on the hi-hat...but I never thought you'd go all the way into breaking down the groove like this...this is great. And what a groove...I wish I knew where it was from...someone said it was a Frank Zappa thing, but I can't imagine what one...
Best way to get this down. Practice 8 th notes on hats and play 1e& 2e& 3e& 4e& on kick. Then e&a notes played on kick with 1 and 3 on The hats. 2&4 on snareSo youll be playing e&a's on The kick. Then all four 1e&a. 2e&a 3e&a 4e&a.
Nice work on the video. I was able to bring this groove up to speed, but as we all know, gawd, it took a while to get the muscle memory to actually sink in and stay in the toolbox. Your explanation fo the groove was well done, and I appreciate how you approach your practicing. Nice job!
Lovely. I teach drums too, but not online (yet!) Vinnie would doubtless approve. I'm tempted to loop this, since the sound is so much clearer than his version...(Don't worry, I'd never do it w/o your approval.)
Thanks for your input on this. Although I haven't been focussing on playing this specific groove, I have been trying to increase speed and particularly accuracy on my kick. I've gone through 1 to 4 note permutations on the kick but never considered accenting particular notes. I really like this idea and will be trying it out. If you have any other ideas for kick accuracy I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you again.
@UKliquidrhythm Hey Dan, I have a video on bass drum technique on my website in the masterclass lessons. You might want to check that out. Thanks, joe
Just FYI - the Vinnie clip is from a Zildjian day video in Dallas in 1985 - i was at this show - Also there was Tony Williams, Simon Phillips, Kenwood Dennard, Tommy Aldridge, and Louis Bellson..... there is a lot of footage out there from this show... There is several other clips on youtube of Vinnie's portion - look for the red drums....
Im the original poster of the drum groove in question, and you've done a better job with it than anyone, so far. You're a real pro, thats for sure!
I like your approach to working out the combinations, its very Gary Chaffee-ish. Did you study with him? I did for a few years and it was literally life changing.
Thanks for your message. I never studied with Gary but I have his books. I got the approach from the New Breed book and apply it to pretty much anything I have to work on. Must have been great to study with him personally!
Can I ask where you got the video clip from? I've seen another 10min vid on youtube which I think is from the same clinic. I'm wondering how much there is in total - I'd love to see it all together.
@pfefftube I studied with Chaffee in Boston in '85. He was extremely engaging as a teacher. He was really great at breaking complex things down into simple explanations through the use of analogies.
Outstanding explanations. Really great attention to the subtle elements, particularly the accents on the foot and how it all ties together. Great job.
brilliant, that's one hard groove...and why do all the difficult grooves sound the best? Posssibly a walk in the park with dble kick, but single kick makes it really challenging: )
Just check out Jojo Mayers dvd if you want to explore hand technique. It will save you a lot of time and energy piecing it all together.
The important thing is to develop dexterity and control in your wrists ( most work on that), fingers (some work on that, less than wrist), and finally strength in the fulcrum. That is underrated most, imo. When you get those three together you can work on push/pull, moeller/whipping motion, accents and all of that.
Ö What kind of snare are you playing? thanks
drummerjen 1 week ago
@drummerjen That is a Yamaha steel 6.5 x 14. These days I'm using a Pearl Ian Paice signature snare which I love!
pfefftube 1 week ago
@pfefftube Thanks I like this Yamaha ^^
drummerjen 1 week ago
In fact, what is you kick pedal?
jazzymansam 2 weeks ago
@jazzymansam It's a Demon Drive pedal. But it's the foot that's the most important part of the equation. Joe Morello's instructional video has a black and white clip of him playing a solo back in the 60s. He plays 16ths on the kick, heel down, at about 110bpm. Ridiculous!
pfefftube 2 weeks ago
@pfefftube Right, I will check that out. I've been having problems with my new direct drive yamaha pedal recently. Can't decide if it's wheteher I've changed from chain driven or whether it's my 16" kick drum, or the aquarian super kick head. I can't get the free flowing technique or rebound. Any advice/ideas what could be going wrong? Much appreciated, good luck with Wishbone Ash. I've been to see them a couple of times. They are my Dad's favourite band!
jazzymansam 2 weeks ago
@jazzymansam I wouldn't just rush out and buy one. I like it a lot, but most people I've spoken to think it feels weird. Check out my bass drum technique video on my website (see video description for link) for some control ideas.
pfefftube 2 weeks ago
Great teaching and playing fella. Direct drive or chain driven kick pedal?
jazzymansam 2 weeks ago
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jazzymansam 2 weeks ago
You my dear boy are a fine drummer and teacher well done ! total on the money Have you got any more clips, excellent drumming its a journy and you have almost arrived .
MrParaddidle 1 month ago
@MrParaddidle Thanks. I have loads of clips (check out my channel and website)
pfefftube 1 month ago
Brilliant work, sir. Great lesson. Fantastic teacher. You absolutely made this groove accessible to a student like me. Thanks so much. Cheers!
fecaldecontaminator 2 months ago
@fecaldecontaminator Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. You might like the SoloWorkshops on my website where I break down solos note for note.
pfefftube 2 months ago
you're a great player bro...nothing is better than feeling so inadequate at a groove then working it til you can play it in your sleep
manifestgtr 4 months ago
@manifestgtr Thanks. I never felt like I really pulled it off - just wanted to share what was going on.
pfefftube 4 months ago
You teach very well and you're very talented. What projects do you work with?
Str8Faced 11 months ago
Very well done mate in this clear explanation of that Vinnie groove!!! Great stuff I admire your diligence. Please see my videos for a contrasting lack of diligence!!!
Great playing mate!!
mrjollypantsjolly 1 year ago
Hey Joe Ijust stumbeled upon your video here. Nice job explaing and teaching this groove! Thanks....it's like midnight now and you have me wanting to play my drums. ha ha
mdrums997S 1 year ago
Excellent tutorial. Your honesty plays a MASSIVE part. You've got it down too. I'm a subscriber.
inkhole 1 year ago
You do great with the groove! I'll have to practice this one next time I'm at the kit.
isisdazs 1 year ago
The Zappa track is Inca Roads (from One Size Fits All); Chester Thompson on drums.
uboweeg 1 year ago 4
Thanks so much for doing this, Joe...I was the one that had asked you about that groove about a year ago...you'd initially answered that it was some sort of broken 16th note pattern on the hi-hat...but I never thought you'd go all the way into breaking down the groove like this...this is great. And what a groove...I wish I knew where it was from...someone said it was a Frank Zappa thing, but I can't imagine what one..it somehow doesn't sound like anything he would have done with Zappa...
sketchatoon 1 year ago
@sketchatoon it is inca roads which chester thomson did on the album but vinnie played this with the zappa band live
wonkavella 10 months ago
@wonkavella The album track was a live recording.
PCFDD 8 months ago
@PCFDD i forgot that it was.
wonkavella 7 months ago
Thanks so much for doing this, Joe...it was actually me that had asked you about that groove about a year ago...you'd initially answered that it was some sort of broken 16th note pattern on the hi-hat...but I never thought you'd go all the way into breaking down the groove like this...this is great. And what a groove...I wish I knew where it was from...someone said it was a Frank Zappa thing, but I can't imagine what one...
sketchatoon 1 year ago
Great groove, and you have it nailed, 5 stars mate.
BroonUpTheToon 1 year ago
Best way to get this down. Practice 8 th notes on hats and play 1e& 2e& 3e& 4e& on kick. Then e&a notes played on kick with 1 and 3 on The hats. 2&4 on snareSo youll be playing e&a's on The kick. Then all four 1e&a. 2e&a 3e&a 4e&a.
ediot6969 1 year ago
Dude your great and your drums sing.
AvengedSevenfoldDrum 1 year ago
If anybody's wondering, the song this is from is Zappa's Inca Roads, with Chester Thompson on drums originally.
PCFDD 1 year ago
Joe,
Nice work on the video. I was able to bring this groove up to speed, but as we all know, gawd, it took a while to get the muscle memory to actually sink in and stay in the toolbox. Your explanation fo the groove was well done, and I appreciate how you approach your practicing. Nice job!
MatchgripMusic 1 year ago
nice playing
jasonhats 1 year ago
Nice job.
groethej 1 year ago
Excellent job my freind. Vinnie would be proud.
firstmusic00 1 year ago
Crabtree is such a good teacher and does an exquisite job of breaking down concepts carefully and in depth.
Keep it up
Your work is very appreciated!
tdrum21 1 year ago
This is the best lesson I've seen on youtube.. you're a great teacher.
TheArarr 1 year ago
Well done in terms of execution and explanation!
davelewitt 1 year ago
thanks man ....
sambiruchao 1 year ago
Lovely. I teach drums too, but not online (yet!) Vinnie would doubtless approve. I'm tempted to loop this, since the sound is so much clearer than his version...(Don't worry, I'd never do it w/o your approval.)
Panufo 1 year ago
Hey Joe,
Thanks for your input on this. Although I haven't been focussing on playing this specific groove, I have been trying to increase speed and particularly accuracy on my kick. I've gone through 1 to 4 note permutations on the kick but never considered accenting particular notes. I really like this idea and will be trying it out. If you have any other ideas for kick accuracy I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you again.
Dan
UKliquidrhythm 1 year ago
@UKliquidrhythm Hey Dan, I have a video on bass drum technique on my website in the masterclass lessons. You might want to check that out. Thanks, joe
pfefftube 1 year ago
great explanation as always Joe
gbc520 1 year ago
great cool to see people teaching groove instead of "modern drummer" drum competition bullshit good work !!
checkabreak 1 year ago
excellent job
gofyerself 1 year ago
Amazing teaching! Keep improoving your skills and you will be an assassin of drumming!
derefis 1 year ago
go demno drive
i got one they are omg so good
hitmedrums 1 year ago
time functioning patterns (fat back part)
by gary chaffe
RaulGuereca 2 years ago
GJ man!
augustlilleaas 2 years ago
Just FYI - the Vinnie clip is from a Zildjian day video in Dallas in 1985 - i was at this show - Also there was Tony Williams, Simon Phillips, Kenwood Dennard, Tommy Aldridge, and Louis Bellson..... there is a lot of footage out there from this show... There is several other clips on youtube of Vinnie's portion - look for the red drums....
cnath 2 years ago
nice, although there is more variation in the hi-hat pattern...
7spqr7 2 years ago
dude ur a ledgend
KookVideo 2 years ago
Another great video Joe!
samnadel 2 years ago
cool
mustafac1979 2 years ago
Im the original poster of the drum groove in question, and you've done a better job with it than anyone, so far. You're a real pro, thats for sure!
I like your approach to working out the combinations, its very Gary Chaffee-ish. Did you study with him? I did for a few years and it was literally life changing.
Keep up the great work!
David Capuzelo
Dcdrmwthme 2 years ago 10
Hi David,
Thanks for your message. I never studied with Gary but I have his books. I got the approach from the New Breed book and apply it to pretty much anything I have to work on. Must have been great to study with him personally!
Can I ask where you got the video clip from? I've seen another 10min vid on youtube which I think is from the same clinic. I'm wondering how much there is in total - I'd love to see it all together.
Thanks,
Joe
pfefftube 2 years ago
Ive got all the Colaiuta material on DVD. Check your Youtube mail.
Dcdrmwthme 2 years ago
@pfefftube I studied with Chaffee in Boston in '85. He was extremely engaging as a teacher. He was really great at breaking complex things down into simple explanations through the use of analogies.
circuitdesign 5 months ago
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dillinjaesc 2 years ago
Excellent!
PabloLeChuck 2 years ago
great interpretation... vey clear explanation..very simillar to the new breed book systems
marcusphenom31 2 years ago
Great job man!!! Excellent...
ebelp38 2 years ago
Thanks for the sharing this groove and doing such a great job explaining it!!
bkwilson22 2 years ago
That's real teaching and sharing knowledge.
Very professional. Thank for such a brilliant contribution.
xelavie 2 years ago
Outstanding explanations. Really great attention to the subtle elements, particularly the accents on the foot and how it all ties together. Great job.
itsadryheat 2 years ago
mate keep it up
your an amazing drummer
and an even better teacher
love it man
x
rut300 2 years ago
Very nice groove, it's nice to see someone as good as you struggling with it. Makes me feel a bit better! (:
wezdrummer 2 years ago
cool enjoyed that, gonna go try it!
johnr2507 2 years ago
demon drive:D
MusicianWil 2 years ago
You're an absolute diamond in the ruff in the drum community!
Thank you for making these videos and everything on your website!
NouveauNick 2 years ago
brilliant, that's one hard groove...and why do all the difficult grooves sound the best? Posssibly a walk in the park with dble kick, but single kick makes it really challenging: )
naedsukram 2 years ago
inca roads zappa
wonkavella 2 years ago
what kit is that?
GabeDrums 2 years ago
@GabeDrums Sonor drums
usemysteryboards 2 years ago
It's a Sonor Delite in Ice Sparkle. Love it!
pfefftube 2 years ago
@pfefftube What kind of hand technique is that with your right hand please help!!!!!!!!
drnnhvcdsde 5 months ago
@drnnhvcdsde It's just the way I play. I talk more about this kind of stuff in the MasterClass lessons on my website.
pfefftube 5 months ago
@drnnhvcdsde
Just check out Jojo Mayers dvd if you want to explore hand technique. It will save you a lot of time and energy piecing it all together.
The important thing is to develop dexterity and control in your wrists ( most work on that), fingers (some work on that, less than wrist), and finally strength in the fulcrum. That is underrated most, imo. When you get those three together you can work on push/pull, moeller/whipping motion, accents and all of that.
PositivelyBored 3 months ago
Damn Joe you're damn awesome with these Vinnie Licks...AWESOME dude ...what a groove.
AbreValas 2 years ago