I'm 14. I love shooting, and I'm really good at it. My mom HATES guns and my dad doesn't see the need to buy one. I really want my dad to get a Glock 23 for us (Home defense, target shooting, etc...) What should I do?
I've been shooting for years, but recently figured out that I was throwing shots left because I was applying pressure with my right thumb (right handed). The funny thing is not only does it throw shots, but it gives the gun something to push against to break your grip and mess up recoil control. As soon as I started relaxing that thumb I found that the other fingers naturally tighten during the trigger pull, the shots are always dead center, and recoil control takes care of itself.
The United States Marine Corps teaches their Marines to lean in but a little bit more with the back area which I currently use and it is a very good position to be in instead of leaning away like you're scared of it
@RedWarriorReviews Look up Todd Jarret's videos here. He doesn't advocate leaning forward, and having tried what I've seen, I agree. Stand naturally with the gun lowered (isoceles arms), and then bring it straight up to your eye level. No hunching down, pushing it forward, etc. It's a natural and repeatable, and comfortable movement.
@aluisious That is cool how he does stuff....but that is my stance and how I was taught. I refuse to be shown any other way because I have adapted to that position. I do appreciate you showing me other ways :)
Great shooting here boss. It's odd, my grip consistently mimics yours (with the one exception that I lock my right arm), but I don't have near your speed & accuracy. Maybe one or the other but not both. Possibly due to my smaller hands.
Interesting technique, I don't necessarily do the death grip as hard as possible, and my left hand is at about a 45 degree angle so my left thumb rests on the lower frame in front of the take down slide, were i also have a stippled grip portion for index. I love the Truglo TFO's you have on your 19. I have them on my Sig, which is all I need because we cannot carry concealed in the great white north. Hitting the slide release with the left thumb is also interesting, but whatever works for you.
Humblehim, some manufacturers recommend using the slide release. In fact, the Kahr PM9 can have a lot of FTF issues isfyou don't use that technique, as specified in the operator's manual.
great shooting..the only thing that gets me..is when people use the slide lock to release the slide..bothers the crap out of me and personally when i see someone do it, it makes me think they dont know much about firearms..not saying that about you per se but it isnt what that mechanism was made for and it wears it down over time. plus to ensure that a round is stripped and seated in breech properly it needs to be pulled back beyond then allowed to snap into battery. i know you know all this
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel it is not called a slide release..it is called a slide lock...and to redbaroncarwash: i cant believe that giving extra force to shove the round into the breech would make problems..i would like a link showing where the manufacturer actually instructs to use it in that manner.
@humblehim Well, learn something new every day. It's isn't called a 'slide release in any technical literature.
That being said, if the slide lock lever was not meant to be used for dropping the slide I doubt Glock would have stated "Insert a new magazine and then either push the slide stop level (27) downward (see photo 2), or pull the slide slightly backward and allow it to spring forward"
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel i wouldnt doubt that a manual would give you that option but from my training from VERY experienced competetion shooters/20 year vet instructors telling me that if you shoot thousands and thousands of rounds through your pistol and dont have a sponser to give you free products than you need not put the extra wear on parts of the pistol..plus they explained how many malfunctions arise from not giving the slide that extra momentum to seat the round.
@hrabs03 to be tecnical, there is going to be as many names for it as there are models and makes of pistols. but slide lock descibes the exact function that lever is for. there are a lot of things in the world that can be done improperly and still get the job done...but it is still improper...just like cars today are made so that the average guy cant hardly work on it and has to take it to the dealership...the are in BUSINESS to sell pistols and pistol parts, why wouldnt they want people to doit
The grip should be like a firm handshake with the strong hand. The weak hand should be tilted forward to break the angle of the wrist as he shows. The weak hand is where the tight grip should be from.
Try squeezing your hand tightly in a fist and move your trigger finger. Now try it with a slightly relaxed fist. Notice the smoother movement of your trigger finger?
I don't really care what everyone else says, I think this is a well-done video. I found it to be helpful, and unlike many other youtube videos, it was articulate, and organized. Good job, and carry on!
First time I ever heard someone encourage gripping the gun hard. I used to do that and I actually shot some pretty good groups doing so, but I start to get tired out after the 200th some odd round and my shooting would suffer.
I adopted a more relaxed grip and it works just as well and i can keep shooting accurately for longer periods of time.
i appreciate the effort.. One needs to be careful squeezing the grip as you get milking and all the shakes from the body is transfered. it is more critical under stress. Don't squeeze the damn gun 0 - never.
Yes, put your thumbs together against the frame, that's what helped me have tighter follow up shots. Also I found it works better if you don't try to force your hand against the recoil. Hold the gun a little lighter, let it do what it wants, it will snap back into position by itself.
@MrFreemason1 That is why he is shooting a $600 gun and not your $200 gun....That is like asking Schumacher to finish top 3 in a F1 race driving a bus....
quick question sir im just learnin to shoot and i wanna make some shooting targets like u have in this video.. what kind of metal and how theak thank u sir
You shouldn't claim to have "recoil control techniques", because many people may take what your OPINION and what WORKS FOR YOU, as actual skills. From 3:03-3:20 you have you finger in the trigger guard, you can give a grip example with out having your finger in guard. & whats going on @ 3:32? Dominate thumb overlaps week thumb & from your trigger position & "Grip The Gun Hard" causes a tendency to shoot to the left if your a right hand shooter. Change the tittle to "In MY Opinion..."
As noted in the annotations, I have changed most of this grip technique. Check out any video made in 2011 and you will notice this. Also, regarding changing the title to "In My Opinion", well, that could technically apply to every firearms related video on YouTube. I feel that anything presented in these videos, by anyone, is just an opinion. The viewer is free to use their own discretion as to what level they apply the content, if at all.
@HungarianLegionnaire one thing you can't argue with is his speed! My technique is different, yours maybe too, he never claimed to be an expert "noted in video" . One mistake people make in life is taking any single persons opinion as gospel, take little bits of information from tons of people and put together what works for you. I think you made a good video, and work that glock 19 pretty fast.
why the strange hesitation on the first shot with the subsequent 3 being faster?
wouldnt your arms being at equal lengths support the firearm more reliably in a rapid fire situation? not strait and locked, just having the firearm centered with the elbows slightly bent.
I don't have an explanation for that. It may have been lack of focus, trying to stay in the camera frame. I may do some things different because I don't have someone following me with a camera. I'm predisposed by doing something halfway decent and not capturing it.
@tnoutdoors9 You say to grip the gun hard, and repeat and emphasize the word, but just how hard are you talking about, because if I do that my arms start to shake as I lock all my muscles in my upper body, one day an old timer at the range told me to relax when shooting, hold a firm grip, and free your mind.
@1320crusier Interesting observation! I noticed that aswell, before reading you're comment. Some people have a cycle when shooting where they will pop off one shot for the feel, which makes sense because he was shooting different types of ammunition. I'm sure if he wanted to he could eliminate that hesitation, but why would you want to? In combat, it would make sense to hesitate on the first shot, especially when engaging life-threatening targets, to ensure that shot hits the target.
@1320crusier I think his pause is from letting the first and second round surprise him because of the difference, getting focused, length of trigger pull, etc... which is mostly a good thing. I have noticed this in many shooters who maintain an accurate shot both with the first round and all rounds following. Other shooters can sometimes accidentally compensate on the very first shot by jerking it down because they are anticipating the recoil.
@1320crusier some of it is because of the single/double action pistol, not sure if glocks use it but I assume so. Your first trigger pull is going to pull the internal hammer back as well so the trigger feel is different as opposed to any later shots that will act as single action since the hammer will already be cocked from the previous shot.
when I shoot my handgun (glock 17) I always inadvertantly flinch before the shot and throw my rounds off target. Is there any advice you can give me to stop that? thanks
@finkleheimerable I use the Glock 17 as well while in the range and i used to have that same problem. But my pops taught me thats a natural reaction to being "trigger happy" The problem is you think the gun is going to go off when in reality it isn't and you "react" to early. To try to change that aim at your target, dont think, and squeeze the trigger slowly while counting. You will be surprised at first, but you will get used to it and return to your average aim shoot and fire in no time flat
only on youtube could someone straight up say "im not an expert, this is just what works for me" and still have people complain and tell them that they're wrong.
Perfect yourself before wanted to teach how to fire with handgun.... For myself, I'm very happy not shooting and manipulate like this for saving my life everyday in work...
@tnoutdoors9 i think he is trying to say that you need to learn a little more about firearms before attempting to teach/educate others (i totally dont agree with him i love your channel) and what i get from the second bit is that he is more of a antigun and anti CCW person . there you go i deciphered it for you :-p
@tnoutdoors9 Your shooting results are good, your shot is accurate. I just give my opinion, the opinion of a French policeman belonging to an anti-crime service who shot a lot in many situation. there is no insults or no respect in my words. just the way you use your weapon is really different from us.
@tnoutdoors9 handling the weapon as well. teaching techniques is not easy, that's why as a shooter, I was surprised by some. Like the fact that I'm not sure yours would be best suited for people like us who have the technique to save his life. I hope I am understanding this time, if not my apologies. It's just an opinion, not a criticism, please be sure of that.
He can hit the target, he can hit it consistently, and he can hit it fast. How in the heck are you guys saying he's doing it wrong when he's hitting the mark?? If I bowl a perfect 300 at the local alley, but I'm not putting my fingers in the holes of the ball, does the score not count??? The path to which you take to achieve personal success is not determined by whether another agrees if it's "Right" Lay off the guy because you think your right - you are only correct on your own technique
Thanks, and I agree. To appease the haters, I have transitioned to a grip that some have suggested. How many people have the balls to even do that? That grip is evident in my videos posted the past few months, including some accuracy and rapid fire with .40 and 9mm Glocks, specifically in the "Santa Claus Supports the 2nd Amendment" video. I'm curious to see how I do with a 1911....soon.
@millercustom Agreed, I have seen men go through the best shoot houses in the world with the cadre only giving suggestions on their techniques but NEVER tell them they should absolutely change the way they are successfully engaging their targets. There is theory that shows some superiority in different techniques, however it is not set in stone... if a man shoots one way for 50000 rounds, and has learned to hit his target well, why would you tell him to change?
As a personal friend and gunsmith for Chris Costa of Magpul Dynamics (he's shooting and carrying one of my builds currently and I've got another couple to do for him yet), I can say that they instruct trigger control, grip, failure drills and clearing malfunctions. They teach a certain way because those techniques are proven to work well with MOST of the experienced and non-experienced shooter. Which way you shoot has nothing to do with anyone else unless it's self defense.
I will say again, typical and most often taught techniques are not a set of laws or rules to follow, they are SUGGESTIONS meant for the learner to try and see what works for them. Look at the poster of this video. He made SUGGESTIONS for those looking for a solution to their pursuit of shooting better. If you think you can do better, let us see your videos...but it won't make a lick of difference if you can because it doesn't matter what way you shoot, just as much it doesn't matter how he is
LOL. I just posted a comment on your Zombie video, to the effect that with a shotgun, you didn't hit a damn thing. Please check your own work before you criticize someone who actually makes hits.
@tnoutdoors9 haha. Did you watch the video? Anyone can grip the hell out of a gun and send rounds down range. around 5:30 in the video you can see poor trigger control. He is slapping the trigger. In my video I was having fun. My video didn't have "Techniques" in the title.
You guys commenting kill me. All I have to say is look at his shooting. I hope to be that good a shooter someday. Thanks for the awesome tips and video TN
Thanks, it will never end. As long as people are civil, you can make any kind of suggestions. Nothing I do on this channel is gospel, someone's suggestion might help another, even if I don't go with it.
The issues are usually with commenters who hold their COD controller in one hand and their johnson in the other; never fired a real gun. You will see various techniques on all the gun channels, doesn't make those guys wrong. Look at Hickok's grip and some of the others.
Just wanted to comment on some of the advice given in the video. Gripping the pistol as hard as you can will cause muscle fatiuge and will cause the shooter to shake, the opposite of what you want to happen. Grip the pistol firmly but make sure the back strap of the pistol is pressed up as hard as possible on the webbing of you hand between the thumb and index finger.
It is funny to read some of the comments below. Some of them have no videos to even indicate whether they have even shot a firearm before. Let me just assure most of these people. I would trust tnoutdoors9 before I would trust anyone who watched videos where the instructor says "Firearms were designed to kill people". As usual, great video and keep up the good work,
I live in Illinois, so we can't carry anything anywhere at any time. However, I do have my Utah card...What I'm responding on is I don't think you can carry a firearm until you are 21. I could be wrong, but I thought it was 21 in order to own one or posses one without being in company of a person over the age of 21. Please let me know if I am mistaken here.
I've been using it in the handgun videos posted in September and October 2010.....even with a borrowed Chinese 9mm, LOL. Did anyone notice....left thumb forward and touching the frame. I'm ok with slow-fire, but not quite there with rapid fire.
I'm amused at your level of trust with your military/police. Trusting them as far as you can throw them is alright, but those people are controlled/managed by the government who as we have seen time and time again do not act in the interest of "the people"
Take guns away from "the people" and the only one with guns are criminals and those who take orders from them.
It's a good thing you aren't in a position to be making that decision. I have been involved with the firearm industry for over 10 years now and it's made up of the best people in this country along with the civilians who own them. What I don't understand is how would you protect yourself if the police or military became an occupying force? Think I'm losing it? Hitler did it, sent a lot of young Germans to fight and a lot of religious people to torture and death.
@SexuelleCurrywurst Owning a gun has saved my father's life twice, and he's never had to shoot it. I am not an advocate of violence or lethal force, but I am an advocate of our rights and our second amendment. Read what Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and even Ghandi has to say about it. I am not trying to argue with you, sir, as you have the right to your opinion, but I wanted to show you why I think otherwise.
@tnoutdoors9 i agree with you every one has there own way of shooting some people tell me when Im shooting rifles that i jerk the trigger a little but Im always on the nine and ten in a tight group you just have to get used to the way that you shoot.
And notice how many of these folks have backed up their comments with tangible evidence. Granted, not everyone has a camera. However, you can usually determine who has the skills, and who doesn't.
Your grip is wrong by the way, your left thumb needs to be against the frame pointing at the target with your thumb on your right hand needs to be higher up on the gun. Your putting your right hand thumb under your left hand thats a no no. I shoot compeitive and thats how everyone does it for proper grip and recoil control. Iam not knocking your video just show people the right way.
Another viewer mentioned this soon after posting the video. He was insistently crappy, insisting there was only ONE method. As you see it now, my right thumb, hidden, is firmly embedded in the groove carved into the side of the G19 grip. My left hand compresses the right thumb, tightening my grip. If I reveal and move the right thumb up, I will not take advantage of the "groove", but I'll try it. I will likely post a "grip-only" video and add an annotation to this video.
well done Sir im impressed! how many yards? Thanks for the tips ive ben gripping my glock 23 the way you described. it would b great if you did this with a glock 23. thanks for the vid! very very very helpfull. I subscribed
Hi Tonoutdoor, I went to range for first time with my XDM .45 and shot at paper target at around 15 yard. But everytime I had center mass the front and rear sight. The bullets would land on way below the center mass. Same thing when I aimed at Head, the bullets landed at abdomin. Does that means my XDM is defective. Its a brand new XDm .45
@HUNGSOONER Don't like a classic Weaver grip? Oh well. The proper response to cowardly trolls is always the same, "put up or shut up. Post a video of you doing it better, or even half as well." If all you got is an insult about clothing, then you got nothing.
@DeadeyeSteve "I am not a expert and have never claimed to be was the most accurate thing you said in the whole vid." I'm not a troll by the way I just like to watch vids with valid information like Hickock45 or Nuttin. Your almighty Classic Weaver is used with revolvers so you don't blow your damn thumbs off. Hope I could help. Oh, and I don't have time to video myself shooting. Don't grip the gun as hard as you can either. After about 2 mags you will be shaking like a leaf on a tree.
@HUNGSOONER Not my vid, fool. I'm not a Weaver advocate, I shoot thumbs-forward; but I am not a dogmatic nor do I incorrectly believe that there is one grip for everyone. If you have time to troll videos, you have time to go video yourself. The truth is you don't have the skill to give advise so you shrink from the challenge. Not sure why you would presume to lecture me about grip strength, but have fun regurgitating what other's say but you don't actually understand or can do.
Who gives a damn what anyone looks like while shooting, I never realized that was more vital than putting rounds on target. I don't understand the throwing motion of certain MLB pitchers, but they are effective. As others have noted, you have alot of time to be critical without posting anything to solidify your point. That carries weight in this type of forum, as opposed to commenting on Justin Bieber's hair. For the record, I am working on relocating my thumb positions.
@tnoutdoors9 Good luck with the change, with as much as you shoot, it shouldn't be too hard. You're an old man, so yes, your clothing choices are irrelevant. Have a good one.
Thanks! I started working with it today. Once I rid myself of "muscle memory", it should come along. Speaking of muscles, I'll post a "shooting in a thong" video just for you. You prefer satin or cotton? Pastels or flourescent? :)
@tnoutdoors9 Whatever you do just make sure you don't wear black, I hear its slimming, and I'm guessing you're gonna need as much help as you can get down there with your pea shooter. And why did you have to revert to the kindergarten conversation about cocks? Bored much? lol .... I don't think you have the balls to make a vid wearing only a speedo, and when I don't see that vid I'm going to assume its because you have a little pecker. I'm bored too.
That was a very helpful video. Never mind the clown comments from 225degrees, he is a dumbass who will always be a skeptic. Your information was very beneficial. Please keep them coming.
Of course, that would be the case for anyone. In self-defense scenarios, this distance is probably way TOO far. Most incidents occur within conversational distance, as Jeff Cooper used to say. At 15-20 yards, a liability prosecutor would probably have a field day with a law-abiding citizen, given the liberal status of our criminal justice system. I would be castrated for simply defending myself, at the least financially wrecked. It can happen.
Another good video. You're a good shooter and must be doing something right to get all the debate/criticism. I will personally observe the technique of anyone who shoots well to become better myself. Don't respond to the trolls. They live for that.
Hey guys, try to be civil. I deleted some of 225degrees comments, but don't see any reason to delete others. Some banter back and forth can be helpful to folks, as long as it doesn't get crazy. We can all learn something from each other. I appreciate that everyone seems to agree on one key point....use the stance, grip, tactics, etc. that works best for YOU. At the end of the day, what matters is that YOU have confidence and go home safe and secure.
Great video...I am an experienced amateur shooter as well and I think at the root of your suggestions is trigger and muzzle control, which are extremely important for both safety and accuracy.
I would also like to say that while there is a wrong way to handle a gun, I don't believe there is only one right way. As for 225degrees...you sound like a kid who just went through "Thunder Ranch" but has never been in a remotely stressful situation with a firearm.
It looks to me he is shooting great! Different stances and grips work for different people. An isometric stance doesn't work for everybody. He can clearly control recoil and muzzle rise very well and get all his hits on target in the vital area. What more can you ask for. I use isometric, but just like the gun you pick, its all what works for you that matters.
like i said i liked your vid you showed some good shooting skills and what works for you . keep up the good work and i subbed. thumbs up... no brainer just don't let the haters get to ya.
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I'm 14. I love shooting, and I'm really good at it. My mom HATES guns and my dad doesn't see the need to buy one. I really want my dad to get a Glock 23 for us (Home defense, target shooting, etc...) What should I do?
stormfire180 1 week ago
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stormfire180 1 week ago
bad grip and bad stance. sorry for the dislike.
holl0wp0int 1 week ago
I've been shooting for years, but recently figured out that I was throwing shots left because I was applying pressure with my right thumb (right handed). The funny thing is not only does it throw shots, but it gives the gun something to push against to break your grip and mess up recoil control. As soon as I started relaxing that thumb I found that the other fingers naturally tighten during the trigger pull, the shots are always dead center, and recoil control takes care of itself.
aluisious 2 weeks ago
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shadowmorphman 2 weeks ago
glocks are best when dirty !!
OfficialJrome 2 months ago
grip the gun hard? 50 50 percent from both the hands
psifactor12 2 months ago
Wouldnt gripping to tight tend to make your hand shake? I was told you need to firmly grip but not "as tightly as you can"
Reskoe20 2 months ago
Glad to see you changed your grip, thats a revolver grip you have here the change you made is for semi autos generaly. Great videos
danthebeeman 3 months ago
The United States Marine Corps teaches their Marines to lean in but a little bit more with the back area which I currently use and it is a very good position to be in instead of leaning away like you're scared of it
RedWarriorReviews 3 months ago
@RedWarriorReviews Look up Todd Jarret's videos here. He doesn't advocate leaning forward, and having tried what I've seen, I agree. Stand naturally with the gun lowered (isoceles arms), and then bring it straight up to your eye level. No hunching down, pushing it forward, etc. It's a natural and repeatable, and comfortable movement.
aluisious 2 weeks ago
@aluisious That is cool how he does stuff....but that is my stance and how I was taught. I refuse to be shown any other way because I have adapted to that position. I do appreciate you showing me other ways :)
RedWarriorReviews 2 weeks ago
fiocchi is pronounced "fee okey".
ms3bani 3 months ago
very useful video. i will try and use these techniques on my next range visit.
AirlayLeekoh 4 months ago
am i the only black person watching this ????
TheBrandin1234 4 months ago 3
Missed one on the left. Good video.
sbd45acp 4 months ago
Good video
bateson112 4 months ago
You're good
allexcosta 4 months ago
Indeed, he shot pretty dang quick.
Fyghaxnav 4 months ago
need to bring that right hand thumb up and not cover it with your left
wadealancarlson 4 months ago
nice man - i liek that you said youre not an expert but that was fast bro
wadealancarlson 4 months ago
Please stop aiming at the camera :D It makes me incredibly nervous :D :D
barrettski189 5 months ago 2
Nice sights....
odca06 5 months ago in playlist Shooting Techniques
Thanks for sharing your experience and for update your grip, like you said you are not a expert just want to share your knowledge.
Nice shooting, and fast too!!!
joseyluchi 6 months ago
Lol, here in Germany I use Fiocchi in my blank guns because I'm not yet allowed to own real guns.
JackCarver10 6 months ago
hero...
JDW857 7 months ago
Looks like you almost use a Modified Weaver stance.
Reynard13Fuchs 7 months ago
Great shooting here boss. It's odd, my grip consistently mimics yours (with the one exception that I lock my right arm), but I don't have near your speed & accuracy. Maybe one or the other but not both. Possibly due to my smaller hands.
Physicbuddha 8 months ago
You would have much better trigger control of you relaxed your fingers. Also, not hot on the idea of shooting without a backstop.
mrrightwing1000 9 months ago
Interesting technique, I don't necessarily do the death grip as hard as possible, and my left hand is at about a 45 degree angle so my left thumb rests on the lower frame in front of the take down slide, were i also have a stippled grip portion for index. I love the Truglo TFO's you have on your 19. I have them on my Sig, which is all I need because we cannot carry concealed in the great white north. Hitting the slide release with the left thumb is also interesting, but whatever works for you.
efoxneo 10 months ago
very nice but what about your new 1911 you got in ya cake
MrHotrod68 10 months ago
@MrHotrod68
I plan to post an update on this, showing the new grip. In that video, I'll shoot the Glock 19 and 22, Colt 1911, and possibly the Bersa .380.
tnoutdoors9 9 months ago
I like a lot of your 'suggestions.' Thanks
goofydog2 10 months ago
Humblehim, some manufacturers recommend using the slide release. In fact, the Kahr PM9 can have a lot of FTF issues isfyou don't use that technique, as specified in the operator's manual.
redbaroncarwash 11 months ago
It sounds like you've read Practical Shooting: Beyond Fundamentals by Brian Enos!
solidseung 11 months ago
"Just the Tip"
zaruto12 11 months ago
thank u now i finaly can use my glock !!! thanks!!!
demonwalker123 11 months ago
good vid, thanks!
edbean420 11 months ago
great shooting..the only thing that gets me..is when people use the slide lock to release the slide..bothers the crap out of me and personally when i see someone do it, it makes me think they dont know much about firearms..not saying that about you per se but it isnt what that mechanism was made for and it wears it down over time. plus to ensure that a round is stripped and seated in breech properly it needs to be pulled back beyond then allowed to snap into battery. i know you know all this
humblehim 11 months ago
@humblehim Everything in a gun wears out eventually. And what was the slide release made for if not releasing the slide?
ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel 8 months ago
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel it is not called a slide release..it is called a slide lock...and to redbaroncarwash: i cant believe that giving extra force to shove the round into the breech would make problems..i would like a link showing where the manufacturer actually instructs to use it in that manner.
humblehim 8 months ago
@humblehim Well, learn something new every day. It's isn't called a 'slide release in any technical literature.
That being said, if the slide lock lever was not meant to be used for dropping the slide I doubt Glock would have stated "Insert a new magazine and then either push the slide stop level (27) downward (see photo 2), or pull the slide slightly backward and allow it to spring forward"
ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel 8 months ago
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel i wouldnt doubt that a manual would give you that option but from my training from VERY experienced competetion shooters/20 year vet instructors telling me that if you shoot thousands and thousands of rounds through your pistol and dont have a sponser to give you free products than you need not put the extra wear on parts of the pistol..plus they explained how many malfunctions arise from not giving the slide that extra momentum to seat the round.
humblehim 8 months ago
@humblehim if u want to be technical it is actually slide catch and release
hrabs03 6 months ago
@hrabs03 to be tecnical, there is going to be as many names for it as there are models and makes of pistols. but slide lock descibes the exact function that lever is for. there are a lot of things in the world that can be done improperly and still get the job done...but it is still improper...just like cars today are made so that the average guy cant hardly work on it and has to take it to the dealership...the are in BUSINESS to sell pistols and pistol parts, why wouldnt they want people to doit
humblehim 6 months ago
The grip should be like a firm handshake with the strong hand. The weak hand should be tilted forward to break the angle of the wrist as he shows. The weak hand is where the tight grip should be from.
Try squeezing your hand tightly in a fist and move your trigger finger. Now try it with a slightly relaxed fist. Notice the smoother movement of your trigger finger?
Kowan57 1 year ago 5
@Kowan57 My thoughts exactly.
SludgeSlinger 11 months ago
what type of steel are your targets made of?
mchrispeterson 1 year ago
i agree! Great job on the video! shifting my weight forward more has really helped.
mchrispeterson 1 year ago
I don't really care what everyone else says, I think this is a well-done video. I found it to be helpful, and unlike many other youtube videos, it was articulate, and organized. Good job, and carry on!
donphonica 1 year ago
First time I ever heard someone encourage gripping the gun hard. I used to do that and I actually shot some pretty good groups doing so, but I start to get tired out after the 200th some odd round and my shooting would suffer.
I adopted a more relaxed grip and it works just as well and i can keep shooting accurately for longer periods of time.
Whatever works.
voodazz 1 year ago
you will get better control of the weapon if you have your right thumb over your left one.
ryusekai 1 year ago
i appreciate the effort.. One needs to be careful squeezing the grip as you get milking and all the shakes from the body is transfered. it is more critical under stress. Don't squeeze the damn gun 0 - never.
Stingmni 1 year ago
Yes, put your thumbs together against the frame, that's what helped me have tighter follow up shots. Also I found it works better if you don't try to force your hand against the recoil. Hold the gun a little lighter, let it do what it wants, it will snap back into position by itself.
usrbid 1 year ago
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usrbid 1 year ago
good shootin
lhoppen 1 year ago
Thanks nice video..To bad their are so many experts(haters) out there, that have not posted a response video to show us all how it is done...
carolinadare 1 year ago
and where do you put yours thumbs now?
kikearturo1 1 year ago
I want to see you try to control a Tokarev TT-33 handgun with that kind of speed!
MrFreemason1 1 year ago
@MrFreemason1 That is why he is shooting a $600 gun and not your $200 gun....That is like asking Schumacher to finish top 3 in a F1 race driving a bus....
carolinadare 1 year ago
You could shoot it side ways for all i care if you hit the target consistentlyand accuratly who bloody cares
TurdFergeson1616 1 year ago
quick question sir im just learnin to shoot and i wanna make some shooting targets like u have in this video.. what kind of metal and how theak thank u sir
aztecboxer69 1 year ago
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You shouldn't claim to have "recoil control techniques", because many people may take what your OPINION and what WORKS FOR YOU, as actual skills. From 3:03-3:20 you have you finger in the trigger guard, you can give a grip example with out having your finger in guard. & whats going on @ 3:32? Dominate thumb overlaps week thumb & from your trigger position & "Grip The Gun Hard" causes a tendency to shoot to the left if your a right hand shooter. Change the tittle to "In MY Opinion..."
HungarianLegionnaire 1 year ago
@HungarianLegionnaire
As noted in the annotations, I have changed most of this grip technique. Check out any video made in 2011 and you will notice this. Also, regarding changing the title to "In My Opinion", well, that could technically apply to every firearms related video on YouTube. I feel that anything presented in these videos, by anyone, is just an opinion. The viewer is free to use their own discretion as to what level they apply the content, if at all.
tnoutdoors9 11 months ago 12
@HungarianLegionnaire one thing you can't argue with is his speed! My technique is different, yours maybe too, he never claimed to be an expert "noted in video" . One mistake people make in life is taking any single persons opinion as gospel, take little bits of information from tons of people and put together what works for you. I think you made a good video, and work that glock 19 pretty fast.
southern8127 10 months ago
You look like an expert
nottinmatterz2day 1 year ago
im a pretty good shot but i think this video will help me even more thank you
boguebrad 1 year ago
Thanks for the very informative video.
mesquiteguy1221 1 year ago
The most controllable gun in rapid fire is the H&K P7 series. The P7 design actually
tries to blow the slide FORWARD to reduce recoil. Try the technique shown here on a P7 and you may get even better results.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
couple questions:
why the strange hesitation on the first shot with the subsequent 3 being faster?
wouldnt your arms being at equal lengths support the firearm more reliably in a rapid fire situation? not strait and locked, just having the firearm centered with the elbows slightly bent.
1320crusier 1 year ago
@1320crusier
I don't have an explanation for that. It may have been lack of focus, trying to stay in the camera frame. I may do some things different because I don't have someone following me with a camera. I'm predisposed by doing something halfway decent and not capturing it.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 You say to grip the gun hard, and repeat and emphasize the word, but just how hard are you talking about, because if I do that my arms start to shake as I lock all my muscles in my upper body, one day an old timer at the range told me to relax when shooting, hold a firm grip, and free your mind.
SSSDiaz7 1 year ago
@1320crusier Interesting observation! I noticed that aswell, before reading you're comment. Some people have a cycle when shooting where they will pop off one shot for the feel, which makes sense because he was shooting different types of ammunition. I'm sure if he wanted to he could eliminate that hesitation, but why would you want to? In combat, it would make sense to hesitate on the first shot, especially when engaging life-threatening targets, to ensure that shot hits the target.
MrFreemason1 1 year ago
@MrFreemason1
Stingmni 1 year ago
@1320crusier I think his pause is from letting the first and second round surprise him because of the difference, getting focused, length of trigger pull, etc... which is mostly a good thing. I have noticed this in many shooters who maintain an accurate shot both with the first round and all rounds following. Other shooters can sometimes accidentally compensate on the very first shot by jerking it down because they are anticipating the recoil.
Just a half educated guess though.
n3xusunit 1 year ago
@1320crusier some of it is because of the single/double action pistol, not sure if glocks use it but I assume so. Your first trigger pull is going to pull the internal hammer back as well so the trigger feel is different as opposed to any later shots that will act as single action since the hammer will already be cocked from the previous shot.
SpykeZ0129 11 months ago
when I shoot my handgun (glock 17) I always inadvertantly flinch before the shot and throw my rounds off target. Is there any advice you can give me to stop that? thanks
finkleheimerable 1 year ago
@finkleheimerable I use the Glock 17 as well while in the range and i used to have that same problem. But my pops taught me thats a natural reaction to being "trigger happy" The problem is you think the gun is going to go off when in reality it isn't and you "react" to early. To try to change that aim at your target, dont think, and squeeze the trigger slowly while counting. You will be surprised at first, but you will get used to it and return to your average aim shoot and fire in no time flat
rocknrollboy338 1 year ago
good advice but your only using 9mm. that doesn't have much recoil to begin with.
theswimer419 1 year ago
only on youtube could someone straight up say "im not an expert, this is just what works for me" and still have people complain and tell them that they're wrong.
DarthMink 1 year ago
nice shooting
fighterjetfreak09 1 year ago
Wow, thats some great shooting.
jgong8638 1 year ago
he reminds me of Randy Marsh
lookitcrashed 1 year ago
haha, did anyone else start to move there head over a little at 4:10 ?
raptorman120 1 year ago
Whewwwww, That Truglo man. Thats my next investment.
raptorman120 1 year ago
really well made video..thank you! It was very helpful and a pleasure to watch.
skenzer 1 year ago
I'm impressed with your shooting, but envious of your range. You should do a video about it.
cartoonconn 1 year ago
Perfect yourself before wanted to teach how to fire with handgun.... For myself, I'm very happy not shooting and manipulate like this for saving my life everyday in work...
TheKraz94 1 year ago
@TheKraz94
I realize you are in France, according to your profile.....but.....What????
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 16
@tnoutdoors9 i think he is trying to say that you need to learn a little more about firearms before attempting to teach/educate others (i totally dont agree with him i love your channel) and what i get from the second bit is that he is more of a antigun and anti CCW person . there you go i deciphered it for you :-p
waseem1173 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 Lol I know right.. what the hell is he trying to say to you..?
AdoreYouInAshXI 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 Your shooting results are good, your shot is accurate. I just give my opinion, the opinion of a French policeman belonging to an anti-crime service who shot a lot in many situation. there is no insults or no respect in my words. just the way you use your weapon is really different from us.
TheKraz94 9 months ago
@tnoutdoors9 handling the weapon as well. teaching techniques is not easy, that's why as a shooter, I was surprised by some. Like the fact that I'm not sure yours would be best suited for people like us who have the technique to save his life. I hope I am understanding this time, if not my apologies. It's just an opinion, not a criticism, please be sure of that.
best regards from France.
TheKraz94 9 months ago
@TheKraz94
wtf?
TylerR285 1 year ago
@TheKraz94 You make no sense... Maybe you should have a proper understanding of our language, before trying to insult us with it....
c0d3cr4zy 1 year ago
@c0d3cr4zy No insult in my words, just personal opinions ... I have great respect for Every One, even though my language is imperfect ...
TheKraz94 9 months ago
He can hit the target, he can hit it consistently, and he can hit it fast. How in the heck are you guys saying he's doing it wrong when he's hitting the mark?? If I bowl a perfect 300 at the local alley, but I'm not putting my fingers in the holes of the ball, does the score not count??? The path to which you take to achieve personal success is not determined by whether another agrees if it's "Right" Lay off the guy because you think your right - you are only correct on your own technique
millercustom 1 year ago 48
@millercustom
Thanks, and I agree. To appease the haters, I have transitioned to a grip that some have suggested. How many people have the balls to even do that? That grip is evident in my videos posted the past few months, including some accuracy and rapid fire with .40 and 9mm Glocks, specifically in the "Santa Claus Supports the 2nd Amendment" video. I'm curious to see how I do with a 1911....soon.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 4
@millercustom
+1
Put simply: you can't argue with results.
Watcher3223 1 year ago
@millercustom Agreed, I have seen men go through the best shoot houses in the world with the cadre only giving suggestions on their techniques but NEVER tell them they should absolutely change the way they are successfully engaging their targets. There is theory that shows some superiority in different techniques, however it is not set in stone... if a man shoots one way for 50000 rounds, and has learned to hit his target well, why would you tell him to change?
n3xusunit 1 year ago
As a personal friend and gunsmith for Chris Costa of Magpul Dynamics (he's shooting and carrying one of my builds currently and I've got another couple to do for him yet), I can say that they instruct trigger control, grip, failure drills and clearing malfunctions. They teach a certain way because those techniques are proven to work well with MOST of the experienced and non-experienced shooter. Which way you shoot has nothing to do with anyone else unless it's self defense.
millercustom 1 year ago
I will say again, typical and most often taught techniques are not a set of laws or rules to follow, they are SUGGESTIONS meant for the learner to try and see what works for them. Look at the poster of this video. He made SUGGESTIONS for those looking for a solution to their pursuit of shooting better. If you think you can do better, let us see your videos...but it won't make a lick of difference if you can because it doesn't matter what way you shoot, just as much it doesn't matter how he is
millercustom 1 year ago
Booo... no good
PDRChris 1 year ago
@PDRChris
LOL. I just posted a comment on your Zombie video, to the effect that with a shotgun, you didn't hit a damn thing. Please check your own work before you criticize someone who actually makes hits.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 haha. Did you watch the video? Anyone can grip the hell out of a gun and send rounds down range. around 5:30 in the video you can see poor trigger control. He is slapping the trigger. In my video I was having fun. My video didn't have "Techniques" in the title.
PDRChris 4 months ago
Your right thumb should be over the left one
9mmParabellum0321 1 year ago
You guys commenting kill me. All I have to say is look at his shooting. I hope to be that good a shooter someday. Thanks for the awesome tips and video TN
Cairns02 1 year ago 3
@Cairns02
Thanks, it will never end. As long as people are civil, you can make any kind of suggestions. Nothing I do on this channel is gospel, someone's suggestion might help another, even if I don't go with it.
The issues are usually with commenters who hold their COD controller in one hand and their johnson in the other; never fired a real gun. You will see various techniques on all the gun channels, doesn't make those guys wrong. Look at Hickok's grip and some of the others.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 8
@Cairns02
Dito. Great video. Short and straight to the point. Nice shooting.
melikesid 1 year ago
Just wanted to comment on some of the advice given in the video. Gripping the pistol as hard as you can will cause muscle fatiuge and will cause the shooter to shake, the opposite of what you want to happen. Grip the pistol firmly but make sure the back strap of the pistol is pressed up as hard as possible on the webbing of you hand between the thumb and index finger.
jerseyboyforlife 1 year ago
always grip the gun with your non shooting hand as hard as you can... do not squeeze the gun with the hand you are shooting. watch todd jarrett
Wiggling 1 year ago
It is funny to read some of the comments below. Some of them have no videos to even indicate whether they have even shot a firearm before. Let me just assure most of these people. I would trust tnoutdoors9 before I would trust anyone who watched videos where the instructor says "Firearms were designed to kill people". As usual, great video and keep up the good work,
ArtisanTony 1 year ago
ill be 18 in feb. plan on getting a cc permit..i didnt know you had to qualify by shooting in tennessee i dont think indiana requires that do they?
ibanezkid07 1 year ago
@ibanezkid07
I live in Illinois, so we can't carry anything anywhere at any time. However, I do have my Utah card...What I'm responding on is I don't think you can carry a firearm until you are 21. I could be wrong, but I thought it was 21 in order to own one or posses one without being in company of a person over the age of 21. Please let me know if I am mistaken here.
millercustom 1 year ago
@millercustom I live in Louisiana, and I think you are correct, sir. That's the way it is here, at any rate.
moredoughnuts01 1 year ago
Thank you for this great video! Was very informative. :)
WarIsNeverPretty 1 year ago
thanks for the vid
Rorix9 1 year ago
Hey tnoutdoors9, how's the new grip coming along?
Snakebite2021 1 year ago
@Snakebite2021
I've been using it in the handgun videos posted in September and October 2010.....even with a borrowed Chinese 9mm, LOL. Did anyone notice....left thumb forward and touching the frame. I'm ok with slow-fire, but not quite there with rapid fire.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
Very good presentation. It sounds like even you (tnoutdoors9) learned from the video! Thumbs up!
taofledermaus 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i think guns should be only for military and police
SexuelleCurrywurst 1 year ago
@SexuelleCurrywurst
I'm amused at your level of trust with your military/police. Trusting them as far as you can throw them is alright, but those people are controlled/managed by the government who as we have seen time and time again do not act in the interest of "the people"
Take guns away from "the people" and the only one with guns are criminals and those who take orders from them.
Grim
Grimganker 1 year ago
@Grimganker Too right mate.
loverst2 1 year ago
@SexuelleCurrywurst
It's a good thing you aren't in a position to be making that decision. I have been involved with the firearm industry for over 10 years now and it's made up of the best people in this country along with the civilians who own them. What I don't understand is how would you protect yourself if the police or military became an occupying force? Think I'm losing it? Hitler did it, sent a lot of young Germans to fight and a lot of religious people to torture and death.
millercustom 1 year ago
@SexuelleCurrywurst Owning a gun has saved my father's life twice, and he's never had to shoot it. I am not an advocate of violence or lethal force, but I am an advocate of our rights and our second amendment. Read what Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and even Ghandi has to say about it. I am not trying to argue with you, sir, as you have the right to your opinion, but I wanted to show you why I think otherwise.
moredoughnuts01 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 i agree with you every one has there own way of shooting some people tell me when Im shooting rifles that i jerk the trigger a little but Im always on the nine and ten in a tight group you just have to get used to the way that you shoot.
ryanriola 1 year ago
man! i cant believe some of these comments on here. people are becoming more delirious with each passing day.
drfager01 1 year ago
@drfager01
And notice how many of these folks have backed up their comments with tangible evidence. Granted, not everyone has a camera. However, you can usually determine who has the skills, and who doesn't.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 3
fawwwwerd loool
arbaaz4321 1 year ago
Great Video as usual
valdostastate77 1 year ago
if u notice every time ur doing a 5 round burst u go tap..tap.. tap tap tap
onlyheadshotz 1 year ago
Thanks .. great stuff .. remind me to call first before coming over with fresh biscuits.
dartek14 1 year ago
@dartek14
Hey, fresh biscuits are welcome at any time! Don't forget the grape jelly.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
Your grip is wrong by the way, your left thumb needs to be against the frame pointing at the target with your thumb on your right hand needs to be higher up on the gun. Your putting your right hand thumb under your left hand thats a no no. I shoot compeitive and thats how everyone does it for proper grip and recoil control. Iam not knocking your video just show people the right way.
cordy302 1 year ago
@cordy302
Another viewer mentioned this soon after posting the video. He was insistently crappy, insisting there was only ONE method. As you see it now, my right thumb, hidden, is firmly embedded in the groove carved into the side of the G19 grip. My left hand compresses the right thumb, tightening my grip. If I reveal and move the right thumb up, I will not take advantage of the "groove", but I'll try it. I will likely post a "grip-only" video and add an annotation to this video.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
@cordy302
I've added an annotation at 3:21 noting what you stated, and will post a video soon.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
well done Sir im impressed! how many yards? Thanks for the tips ive ben gripping my glock 23 the way you described. it would b great if you did this with a glock 23. thanks for the vid! very very very helpfull. I subscribed
whatdafloopyjoop 1 year ago
LOL @ the intro.... Most people start with an empty gun... he emptied it to make sure it was safe.
ScopedOUT2 1 year ago
Hi Tonoutdoor, I went to range for first time with my XDM .45 and shot at paper target at around 15 yard. But everytime I had center mass the front and rear sight. The bullets would land on way below the center mass. Same thing when I aimed at Head, the bullets landed at abdomin. Does that means my XDM is defective. Its a brand new XDm .45
gtvapsamtik 1 year ago
Very good and very helpful
MountainDewFanatic99 1 year ago
yah.. mess with that guy lol
hoobalogginmedia 1 year ago
You seem to shoot well, so your horrible grip is irrelevant, but you look like a complete dork while shooting. That you can fix.
HUNGSOONER 1 year ago
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DeadeyeSteve 1 year ago
@HUNGSOONER Don't like a classic Weaver grip? Oh well. The proper response to cowardly trolls is always the same, "put up or shut up. Post a video of you doing it better, or even half as well." If all you got is an insult about clothing, then you got nothing.
DeadeyeSteve 1 year ago
@DeadeyeSteve "I am not a expert and have never claimed to be was the most accurate thing you said in the whole vid." I'm not a troll by the way I just like to watch vids with valid information like Hickock45 or Nuttin. Your almighty Classic Weaver is used with revolvers so you don't blow your damn thumbs off. Hope I could help. Oh, and I don't have time to video myself shooting. Don't grip the gun as hard as you can either. After about 2 mags you will be shaking like a leaf on a tree.
HUNGSOONER 1 year ago
@HUNGSOONER Not my vid, fool. I'm not a Weaver advocate, I shoot thumbs-forward; but I am not a dogmatic nor do I incorrectly believe that there is one grip for everyone. If you have time to troll videos, you have time to go video yourself. The truth is you don't have the skill to give advise so you shrink from the challenge. Not sure why you would presume to lecture me about grip strength, but have fun regurgitating what other's say but you don't actually understand or can do.
DeadeyeSteve 1 year ago
@HUNGSOONER
Who gives a damn what anyone looks like while shooting, I never realized that was more vital than putting rounds on target. I don't understand the throwing motion of certain MLB pitchers, but they are effective. As others have noted, you have alot of time to be critical without posting anything to solidify your point. That carries weight in this type of forum, as opposed to commenting on Justin Bieber's hair. For the record, I am working on relocating my thumb positions.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 17
@tnoutdoors9 Good luck with the change, with as much as you shoot, it shouldn't be too hard. You're an old man, so yes, your clothing choices are irrelevant. Have a good one.
HUNGSOONER 1 year ago
@HUNGSOONER
Thanks! I started working with it today. Once I rid myself of "muscle memory", it should come along. Speaking of muscles, I'll post a "shooting in a thong" video just for you. You prefer satin or cotton? Pastels or flourescent? :)
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 4
@tnoutdoors9 Whatever you do just make sure you don't wear black, I hear its slimming, and I'm guessing you're gonna need as much help as you can get down there with your pea shooter. And why did you have to revert to the kindergarten conversation about cocks? Bored much? lol .... I don't think you have the balls to make a vid wearing only a speedo, and when I don't see that vid I'm going to assume its because you have a little pecker. I'm bored too.
HUNGSOONER 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 i dont see why ur thumb position is so important sure it is off but u shoot damn good so it not a big deal
bobwatters 1 year ago
That was a very helpful video. Never mind the clown comments from 225degrees, he is a dumbass who will always be a skeptic. Your information was very beneficial. Please keep them coming.
1502cedar 1 year ago
Awesome vid. Some things you showed confirmed some things for me.
WilliamChasemusic 1 year ago
do u keep ur right arm completely straight or with a slight bend?
whitesox155 1 year ago
@whitesox155
Right arm is slightly bent
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
@tnoutdoors9 i see. i always used to shoot with a completely straight arm, im gonna start bending it the next time i go to the range
whitesox155 1 year ago
I'd like to see that in a 40 cal.
fury350z 1 year ago 2
great tips
machinegunmana 1 year ago
It would of been more impressive if he was farther from the target.
partywithJdub 1 year ago
@partywithJdub
Of course, that would be the case for anyone. In self-defense scenarios, this distance is probably way TOO far. Most incidents occur within conversational distance, as Jeff Cooper used to say. At 15-20 yards, a liability prosecutor would probably have a field day with a law-abiding citizen, given the liberal status of our criminal justice system. I would be castrated for simply defending myself, at the least financially wrecked. It can happen.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 2
@partywithJdub
Thats a good distance with a pistol.
maquereautin 1 year ago
you seem to use your glock 19 with the tfo's more than the others, are those your favorite sights?
AirsoftVeteran96 1 year ago
Another good video. You're a good shooter and must be doing something right to get all the debate/criticism. I will personally observe the technique of anyone who shoots well to become better myself. Don't respond to the trolls. They live for that.
jwash3rd 1 year ago
Hey guys, try to be civil. I deleted some of 225degrees comments, but don't see any reason to delete others. Some banter back and forth can be helpful to folks, as long as it doesn't get crazy. We can all learn something from each other. I appreciate that everyone seems to agree on one key point....use the stance, grip, tactics, etc. that works best for YOU. At the end of the day, what matters is that YOU have confidence and go home safe and secure.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago 4
You stay classy, "deadeyesteve."
bigdrm8404 1 year ago
Great video...I am an experienced amateur shooter as well and I think at the root of your suggestions is trigger and muzzle control, which are extremely important for both safety and accuracy.
I would also like to say that while there is a wrong way to handle a gun, I don't believe there is only one right way. As for 225degrees...you sound like a kid who just went through "Thunder Ranch" but has never been in a remotely stressful situation with a firearm.
lawleiflight 1 year ago
It looks to me he is shooting great! Different stances and grips work for different people. An isometric stance doesn't work for everybody. He can clearly control recoil and muzzle rise very well and get all his hits on target in the vital area. What more can you ask for. I use isometric, but just like the gun you pick, its all what works for you that matters.
benrisk21 1 year ago
like i said i liked your vid you showed some good shooting skills and what works for you . keep up the good work and i subbed. thumbs up... no brainer just don't let the haters get to ya.
911feltner911 1 year ago