so what you are saying is, in the UNTIED STATES you cannot own a fully automatic rifle, but you can own a fully automatic machine gun?!? can anyone explain how this makes sense? :S
@TheRunawayjew ATF views any firearm of rifle caliber a "machine gun" even if it is a automatic rifle like a M16 or M14. So, yes you can own a full-auto rifle.
Those people you saw dressed as Lady Liberty were not out just asking people to "honk for liberty." They work for Liberty Tax and are paid money to stand out & wave people in to pay Liberty Tax for them [Liberty Tax] to do their taxes. Most people know this, and know that places like Liberty Tax are just taking people's money, hence why you didn't hear any honking. It's very easy to do your own taxes. You don't need somebody else to do it for you and charge you a lot of money.
What is a parts kit. there doesent seem to be much info on it. is it a rifle that has been dissassembled? is it a kit that may be missing a few pieces. or is it just spare parts that can never be made into a rifle again? thankyou
@tanker0wns1 Sort of all you mentioned. A parts kit can be described as a set of spare parts for a particular weapon or it can be assumed to be a demilled or deactivated firearm with the registered part (receiver here in USA) destroyed, cut or removed from the kit. Lots of guys here in the USA can purchase a demilled parts kit and rebuild it into semi-auto fire for thier own enjoyment and possession.
@WolfPackAttack1911 You can but you run into some problems, first off the A1 triangular forestock near the front sight is a different shape than the A2 round front forearm. The M4 collapsable stock is shorter as is the M4 recoil spring and not really made for the longer 20" barrel of the A2. I have seen reliability issues with swapping these.
In your honest opinion, are these kits worth purchasing? If they are, can a standard, fully assembled Rock River or Colt AR15 lower be plugged in without any functionality problems?
@Thatevilmidget No problem, these kits use the standard small hole reciever pin which match all of todays lowers. Depending on the age of the Colt lower they are the only ones which used the larger front pin years ago. These kits are a great buy, especially since I see AR style rifles gaining in popularity.
@C2builder Excellent! I was thinking about buying one as my first AR15 platform, but I've held off because I heard a lot of noise early on about them being worn out Korean returns (which honestly shouldn't effect anything since the barrel is brand new). Also, for what it's worth, the barrels appear to have been made by Citadel (according to the folks at Gunboards Forums).
are kits like this still available with m16 trigger assemblies like this one?? i woulda never thought it would ship like that,?? but i guessur notbreakin any laws until you assemble them, but are they still available??
@MultiSr16 Thats correct, kind of like being able to legally buy a GT Mustang able to do 140mph, but that doesn't mean you can legally do so. Some wholesellers pull certain full-auto parts for CYA reasons and avoid ATF hassles. This kit came from Apex and not sure if they still include all the internals.
I wish the BATF would grow some balls and tell the government to fuck off as far as this Pre86 bullshit is concerned. But that is just a pipe dream. Take 90% of the gun laws and throw them out of the window.
@C172Pilotdude BATF is the Gov't. and they make the rulings and regulations on all NFA items. IMHO having worked beside ATF for over 10 years thay would like to see ALL firearms regulated and pass through them for registration and ownership fees. FWIW.
@Iwent2Jared The parts may or may not be military issue, and may not be made in the USA but all parts are mil spec. The barrels are US made to comply with the 922r regulations since surplus barrels are not longer imported.
@C2builder thanks i was just wondering because my friend just got into parts kits and since i just started civilian semi-auto and LE/MIL and dealer post sample manufacturing so i never bother with it
@Akirameerkat As long as your gun laws within your state allow assault rifles you can build this kit into a semi automatic rifle, no license, no fees.
@TheSlaytanicTom In stock form, the AR-15 is semi-automatic, not full auto. There are some that have been converted, but those are few and far between.
The 5 components described (M16 hammer, trigger, disconnector, selector lever, and USGI auto sear) @ 06:00 - can be purchased only with an ATF Form 4 - exclusively for those with registered receivers manufactured prior to 5.19.86 or government, military, or law enforcement officials. It has been over 25 years since FOPA 1986 was signed into law by President Reagan - all Title II firearms including conversion kits (registered auto connectors, drop in auto sears) are worth $10,000+.
@montrosepatriot Everything you mention is true however an unlicensed person in the USA can purchase the M16 internal fire control parts except the M16 full-auto sear. There is no restriction on the other parts since they are not what makes the gun fire full-auto, only a combination of all plus the sear trip. If they were forbidden then ATF would not allow wholesellers to sell their kits with any internal FCG parts.
You are also correct on the price of a registered sear.
@C2builder I came across a magazine article on the Century International Arms C15 sporter (manufactured from M16A1 parts) - hope they are not using NoDak Spud lower receivers (not sure if these lowers are RDIAS (drop in auto sear) or RLL (lightining link) compatible)...
@TheSlaytanicTom the full auto fire control group is regulated under the NFA 1934 regulations and these can only be used with a registered machinegun - any other use is a 10 yr sentence and a $250,000 fine...
Green Mountain Barrels sells in spec, parkerized and chrome lined barrels for the A1. I think you'll need to drill the holes for the front sight base but it looks like you have to do that with these barrels anyway.
@Gostwriterindisguise I havn't built this one yet, been too busy building for everyone esle. This one will be full-auto and will go into our inventory as a Post Sales Sample.
@TheRJMortimer The only other major expense you would have is for the registered lower (you have to by from a licensed gun dealer). Other than that it's just putting it all together. Yes, you could find a ready built or new AR for about the same price. Some guys build them just to see if they can.
Well don't just throw them away..Send them to me! I'll find something in trade..At the rate I'm going with rimfire I'm putting alot of wear on mine..:)
@WeAreBeastSometimes The kits that have all of the full-auto parts are not illegal to sell, it's what individuals do with them after purchase is the kicker. Some Wholesellers remove the auto sear before packaging, some don't. This kit came from Apex.
That looks like the same parts kit I bought to get the auto parts I needed and F/A BCG. The parts are awesome..I took out the originals in my H&R and stuck them in the safe and then planned to build another upper. Hell this one was so nice I just used this to make an upper. With the barrel not having the holes to pin the gas block I just bougth the YHM gas block that you tighten with allen screws..So sort of like getting a free upper for full auto fun. :) Mosty only use rimfire though. Vids up!
@mark16443 Same way that all parts kits you see have a disclaimer that says "NFA rules apply". It's up to the individual to know right from wrong, but for the Class 2 manufacturer the parts kits are better to have all parts included. All registered auto sears were made before 1986, those after are post sample sears for NFA dealers only.
@Stizogm No, the only people that can now use the auto-sear are Class 2 or Class 3 Dealers. If you are the owner of a legally registered M16 reciever you can replace a broken sear if need be. The F/A bolt and carrier are OK to put into a semi AR.
so... if i buy this off jg sales do i need to have a class 3 lisence. i just want a cheapo semi. not saying id keep it auto. or would my ffl holder take that out of the kit? and i wont need a class 3 lisence
@budgray18 No problem owning the parts kit as sold, just don't keep the full-auto sear if you also own a functioning AR15 rifle. If you do then just don't advertise it to friends.
@C2builder also what would u recommend for a ar-15. im heavily thinking of getting one but i cant justify over a grand for one. at taht price id look for a garand or m1a/m14
@budgray18 Yeah the AR15 has really doubled in price since 2008, I think the election and the fear that the assault weapon ban would be added again had alot to do with the price. Rock River Arms makes one of the best AR15 in my opinion, they are quality made and are highly accurate plus they hold their resale value well.
@roth0211 No. All of the parts will fit *except* the autosear. The semiauto AR-15 lowers are not milled & drilled for the autosear and its pin. Installing all of the other full-auto parts without the auto sear will still work on semi-auto, but trying to select full-auto will just make the gun misfire on every-other round.
@m15a1nv Nope. Possession of a semi-auto AR-15 rifle + possession of full-auto M16 trigger components = what the ATF calls "constructive intent" and they WILL send you to prison for it if you're caught. Not worth the risk.
@C2builder how do you dispose of the auto FCG, can I just throw them in the trash? Can I purchase this parts kit if I have a Complete Lower? Or will I have the ATF Bash my doors down and take me to God Knows Where?
@CommieforniaSurvivor Yes, just throw the FA sear away and you are OK. Also throw away the full-auto selector, hammer, disconnect and trigger. Most guys replace their semi AR15's bolt and carrier with the M16 bolt/carrier and thats OK too. Throw those parts away I mentioned and you are safe even with your complete semi lower.
would you be able to register this as a class III and build it with the included parts or would you need the receiver to be class III? one more question if you buy a full fledged class III do you have to leave it as is, or can you modify it change stock, etc?
@ijsaenz Only a licensed Class 2 manufacturer could assemble this into a working machine gun. If you already had a legally registered M16 lower you could add this kit to it. If you have a registered M16 you can alter it's parts but would have to notify ATF that you did so.
@C2builder true, and i'm sure they dont import M16 lowers anymore, or is there a difference between the 2 recivers? I always figured there would be for the auto sear.
Why are they allowed to sell the full auto hammer, trigger, sear, etc. to people that can't have the parts? Can you get in trouble just for having the parts at your house next to your semi auto AR15?
@fsvaio While it's true that here in the USA the lower reciever is considered the registered part of the firearm, ATF has become more carefree about M16 parts in a parts kit or stored parts in your possession. The only bad part that can get you in trouble is the auto sear that I show in the video. It's a cheap part and not worth even $15, but you really need to throw it away. Most vendors remove the auto sear from the kits before selling, some don't.
@C2builder What about destroying the part? Does it have to be torch-cut to "de-activate" it like a receiver or can a dremel and some really sloppy, jagged cuts destroy the part to the ATF's liking?
@C2builder So the ATF is OK with the auto sear being disposed of without being estroyed? Cool. I kinda worried about that because man, I DON'T want to lose a lot of things! My freedom, my guns and my rear end to name a few things.
@zerobinary2 Man, they are everywhere. One source is apex-dot-com. and another is centerfiresystems-dot-com. Sorry for the code but you know Youtube.....lol.
Wait, so the full auto parts ship with the gun? Thats pretty sweet - other than the 10 years in prison bit. Something to put in a jam jar smeared in cosmoline and buried in the back yard? :D
@C172Pilotdude I don't recall the ATF Ruling number but if you go to the BATF website and search around you will find it. They basically ruled that they "don't recommend" using a M16 bolt carrier but it is not considered a machine gun by itself if no other M16 internal parts are used within the rifle.
The lack of markings COULD suggest that these are something like the old MAP shipments of older equipment and "scrubbed" new equipment and parts for the rifles.
I really want to build a retro Vietnam era gun. Who makes the lowers that are retro? I used to have the site but cant find it now. Also good job on the parts list of what we can and cant use from those kits. Also a good job on telling everyone do not keep those parts. Thats one thing I have to watch with a Sten MKIII build I have.
Cool but too much liability and litigation to me to even consider buying one. Seeing previous incidents like Waco......and the over bearing dickheads ATF/FBI agents can be....not worth taking the risk.
nice few q's does it fire ss109s or the older m134(i think thats its designation) ? are these new reproductions or surplus aaannnnd final question whens the kiwi coming !
@darraghtank Not sure on M134 but ss109 is no problem. All of these M16A1 kits are surplus. Ted is supposed to be at my location on July 1st., but he did say that their schedule may change depending on Las Vegas attractions.
@darraghtank Not sure on M134 but ss109 is no problem. All of these M16A1 kits are surplus. Ted is supposed to be at my location on July 1st., but he did say that their schedule may change depending on Las Vegas attractions.
Sounds like class 2 builders get to have fun with the fun switches LOL, However if you don't pay the Tax for the Class2/FFL/SOT each year can you keep any other the Full Auto's that were made?
@TMHonfire102 Both NFA Dealers an Manufacturer's can not keep any machine gun made after 1986 (basically Post Samples made after '86). All others we can keep tax free after giving up our license.
i've been looking at these "kits" for awhile since i cant afford to go buy a new ar-15 and would like the chance to put one together is there any licensing i need to have or is it just dont use the "no no parts" and im ok
@jayarab No license needed. Just use the semi fire control parts and your OK. Check Midway or Sportsmansguide for cheap AR parts needed. I've built several of these kits into semi AR's for guys and they work good. As with all AR15's you don't have to worry about headspacing them when done. Just go slow and check everything out before your test shoot.
@jayarab Any unlicensed individual here in the USA can build themselves a semi auto. You can't build them just to sell, you build it for personal use.
I wouldn't even bother with an A1; we all know that they were utterly useless, jamming consistently after the first round unless the chamber was lubed well with LSA or other lubricant. The A2 upper and hand guards look better cosmetically, and does not have problems with chamber tolerances that the A1's were notorious for.
@C2builder I'm pointing at the historical aspect of the A1's that saw service in Vietnam and then on. Prolonged use through combat without much cleaning made the A1 a rather useless weapon for the typical infantryman, and the poor tolerances of the chamber as well as the bolt mechanism created continuous feeding errors which led the A1 to be notorious for problems. Hence developments were made for the A2 and many of the problems that the A1 had were addressed.
@SSSCLimitedTrademark, History and studies have proven the culprit in the Viet Nam M16 disasters as being USGI Ball powder, which was switched by the ammunition producers at the Army's request. All prior testing was done not using ball powder. I'm not saying the A1 is better than the A2 or even A4, all I'm saying is that the 1960's era rifle was given a bad rap for others mistakes.
@SSSCLimitedTrademark There is no difference between an A1 and A2 in regards to bolt, chamber, and bore....aside from the rifling twist which in no way effects reliability. The stories told about how "unreliable" the M16A1 series are is just that.. stories.
yeah they killed those almost shot out barrels,LOL. I think they did us a favor by asking for no barrels to be returned, wish the twist rate was a 1-12 twist.
dude, A2 round handguards fit, you just have to make sure the handguard cap behind the sight base is compatable, mine fit either one, it's A2's round ones.. hope that helps. A1's benchrest easier since they're flat. also what you are calling a 'trigger release' is the DISCONNECTOR, good video and I'm bein a gun snob,sorry.
@80spodcastchannel Gun snob, LOL. Yeah, the Feds may have helped you semi builders on the barrel ban but they hurt the Hell out of us NFA Dealers. The price of original barrels for everything from MG34 to SG43 went way up in price. Plus, there are some barrels needed that will never be made here in the USA.
OK, the A2 forearms may fit but they'll look like crap and move around a bit. Stick with a dealer that will give you another good set free, it's only fair.
@C2builder actually Dude,if you want I can post videos of them locked down on a nam era barrel I got that is kinda pretty tired. it's my light duty pop/play 22LR Ciener conversion unit barrel. hey with all the great barrels from alot of big names it MIGHT be better they got trashed,even though I like the light profile and slow twist rates. do you do a large volume of T2 stuff or mostly by request builds only? I worked in a class 3 store some years ago and got to play with buzz guns, way fun
@ps90tacguy That's a big "can of worms" debate I've heard over the last 20 years. I've heard everything from "improved balance" to "better chamber lockup" by using the full-auto carrier. In my opinion, in a semi-auto rifle it's not gonna make a hill of beans difference, even if you bump fire the thing. The added weight of a few grams is not going to change the characteristics in it's operation. Some guys do it just to look cool to buddies I guess.
@C2builder I find when bumpfiring the Semi auto carrier is best, the lighter carrier some how gives me a faster cycle rate then even a true Full Auto cycle rate.
@C2builder your right, its just lets you turn it the other way to make it look like an FA, However as a class 2 can you build a post, sample without any more paper work?
@TMHonfire102 As a C2 I can build anything (full-auto or semi up to .55 caliber) without permission from ATF. All I do is fax them a Form 2 (shows SN# and model name) when it's finished so they can add it to their database.
@SonnyJWright Yes, some countries sell the guns in kit form to importers and get rid of their old surplus guns when they upgrade to a newer version or different service rifle altogether. I assume all these kits on the market being sold came from one country.
so what you are saying is, in the UNTIED STATES you cannot own a fully automatic rifle, but you can own a fully automatic machine gun?!? can anyone explain how this makes sense? :S
TheRunawayjew 2 months ago
@TheRunawayjew ATF views any firearm of rifle caliber a "machine gun" even if it is a automatic rifle like a M16 or M14. So, yes you can own a full-auto rifle.
C2builder 2 months ago
@C2builder your country sounds like fun, wish Canada was like that....
TheRunawayjew 2 months ago
@TheRunawayjew
No this country is going to shit very quickly.
Today I saw two people dressed up as the statue of liberty holding signs saying "honk if you love liberty"
and nobody honked but me. :(
multiHappyHacker 3 weeks ago
@multiHappyHacker
Those people you saw dressed as Lady Liberty were not out just asking people to "honk for liberty." They work for Liberty Tax and are paid money to stand out & wave people in to pay Liberty Tax for them [Liberty Tax] to do their taxes. Most people know this, and know that places like Liberty Tax are just taking people's money, hence why you didn't hear any honking. It's very easy to do your own taxes. You don't need somebody else to do it for you and charge you a lot of money.
CarrotDugTooDeep 3 weeks ago
What is a parts kit. there doesent seem to be much info on it. is it a rifle that has been dissassembled? is it a kit that may be missing a few pieces. or is it just spare parts that can never be made into a rifle again? thankyou
tanker0wns1 2 months ago
@tanker0wns1 Sort of all you mentioned. A parts kit can be described as a set of spare parts for a particular weapon or it can be assumed to be a demilled or deactivated firearm with the registered part (receiver here in USA) destroyed, cut or removed from the kit. Lots of guys here in the USA can purchase a demilled parts kit and rebuild it into semi-auto fire for thier own enjoyment and possession.
C2builder 2 months ago
you know about this stuff more than i do but can i take a bushmaster a2 rifle put an A1 style handguard and an m4 stock
WolfPackAttack1911 2 months ago
@WolfPackAttack1911 You can but you run into some problems, first off the A1 triangular forestock near the front sight is a different shape than the A2 round front forearm. The M4 collapsable stock is shorter as is the M4 recoil spring and not really made for the longer 20" barrel of the A2. I have seen reliability issues with swapping these.
C2builder 2 months ago
Would the M16A1 make a good hunting rifle?
SecretTrollAccount1 2 months ago
@SecretTrollAccount1 Depends on what you are hunting.
Kylef7735 2 months ago
In your honest opinion, are these kits worth purchasing? If they are, can a standard, fully assembled Rock River or Colt AR15 lower be plugged in without any functionality problems?
Thatevilmidget 2 months ago
@Thatevilmidget No problem, these kits use the standard small hole reciever pin which match all of todays lowers. Depending on the age of the Colt lower they are the only ones which used the larger front pin years ago. These kits are a great buy, especially since I see AR style rifles gaining in popularity.
C2builder 2 months ago 2
@C2builder Excellent! I was thinking about buying one as my first AR15 platform, but I've held off because I heard a lot of noise early on about them being worn out Korean returns (which honestly shouldn't effect anything since the barrel is brand new). Also, for what it's worth, the barrels appear to have been made by Citadel (according to the folks at Gunboards Forums).
Thatevilmidget 2 months ago
I know this isn't relevant but I'm getting a G3 for Christmas
GeneralNutcase 2 months ago
it would be a nice addition to have a m16 a1. real old school.
ps90tacguy 2 months ago
are kits like this still available with m16 trigger assemblies like this one?? i woulda never thought it would ship like that,?? but i guessur notbreakin any laws until you assemble them, but are they still available??
MultiSr16 2 months ago
@MultiSr16 Thats correct, kind of like being able to legally buy a GT Mustang able to do 140mph, but that doesn't mean you can legally do so. Some wholesellers pull certain full-auto parts for CYA reasons and avoid ATF hassles. This kit came from Apex and not sure if they still include all the internals.
C2builder 2 months ago 2
@C2builder what?!? Its illegal to do 140 in a mustang on the highway???Ooops !!!
MultiSr16 2 months ago
I wish the BATF would grow some balls and tell the government to fuck off as far as this Pre86 bullshit is concerned. But that is just a pipe dream. Take 90% of the gun laws and throw them out of the window.
C172Pilotdude 2 months ago
@C172Pilotdude BATF is the Gov't. and they make the rulings and regulations on all NFA items. IMHO having worked beside ATF for over 10 years thay would like to see ALL firearms regulated and pass through them for registration and ownership fees. FWIW.
C2builder 2 months ago
@C2builder hence the whole Fast and Furious thing going on right now.
btmatto 2 months ago
do these kits include instructions?
TheAlexagius 2 months ago
@TheAlexagius No.
C2builder 2 months ago
Is the kit not USA manufactured? I was under the impression the M16 kits we demilled Army rifles.
Iwent2Jared 2 months ago
@Iwent2Jared The parts may or may not be military issue, and may not be made in the USA but all parts are mil spec. The barrels are US made to comply with the 922r regulations since surplus barrels are not longer imported.
C2builder 2 months ago
Do you think Apex will be getting these again?
bargunner18 2 months ago
if the parts kit parts are pre-86 can you build it full auto?
warfighter929 3 months ago
@warfighter929 No, building any machine gun after 1986 is a no-no for unlicensed persons in the USA no matter the age of the parts kits.
C2builder 3 months ago
@C2builder thanks i was just wondering because my friend just got into parts kits and since i just started civilian semi-auto and LE/MIL and dealer post sample manufacturing so i never bother with it
warfighter929 3 months ago
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warfighter929 3 months ago
does this come with an assembly manual?
bulldogrj5020 3 months ago
could you add a shorter barrel, different hand guards and and adjustable stock?
ciconcrete 5 months ago
@ciconcrete Yes, but the barrel can be no longer than 16" long.
C2builder 5 months ago
can a regular person build that, I thought to build a fire arm, you have to have a federal firearms license like the guys from sons of guns.
Akirameerkat 5 months ago
@Akirameerkat As long as your gun laws within your state allow assault rifles you can build this kit into a semi automatic rifle, no license, no fees.
C2builder 5 months ago
@C2builder they do, good to know
Akirameerkat 5 months ago
I am twenty and living in California. What is the closest legal alternative to a M16?
MightyWhitey8814 6 months ago
@MightyWhitey8814 AR15 without a pistol grip.
katmaiman 3 months ago
When will the full auto M16 be on?
1stMarineCapt 7 months ago
@TheSlaytanicTom In stock form, the AR-15 is semi-automatic, not full auto. There are some that have been converted, but those are few and far between.
drewdane40 9 months ago
The 5 components described (M16 hammer, trigger, disconnector, selector lever, and USGI auto sear) @ 06:00 - can be purchased only with an ATF Form 4 - exclusively for those with registered receivers manufactured prior to 5.19.86 or government, military, or law enforcement officials. It has been over 25 years since FOPA 1986 was signed into law by President Reagan - all Title II firearms including conversion kits (registered auto connectors, drop in auto sears) are worth $10,000+.
montrosepatriot 9 months ago
@montrosepatriot Everything you mention is true however an unlicensed person in the USA can purchase the M16 internal fire control parts except the M16 full-auto sear. There is no restriction on the other parts since they are not what makes the gun fire full-auto, only a combination of all plus the sear trip. If they were forbidden then ATF would not allow wholesellers to sell their kits with any internal FCG parts.
You are also correct on the price of a registered sear.
Good info, thanks.
C2builder 9 months ago
@C2builder I came across a magazine article on the Century International Arms C15 sporter (manufactured from M16A1 parts) - hope they are not using NoDak Spud lower receivers (not sure if these lowers are RDIAS (drop in auto sear) or RLL (lightining link) compatible)...
montrosepatriot 9 months ago
@TheSlaytanicTom the full auto fire control group is regulated under the NFA 1934 regulations and these can only be used with a registered machinegun - any other use is a 10 yr sentence and a $250,000 fine...
montrosepatriot 9 months ago
is there some way i can put full auto parts on a ar15 legaly?
sasukefan012345 10 months ago
@sasukefan012345 NO
montrosepatriot 8 months ago
how do u convert these to take A2 hanguards?
DaytonaRoadster 10 months ago
Green Mountain Barrels sells in spec, parkerized and chrome lined barrels for the A1. I think you'll need to drill the holes for the front sight base but it looks like you have to do that with these barrels anyway.
AngeredKabar 10 months ago
Can we get the gun smiths to chrome-line the barrel?
1stMarineCapt 10 months ago
hey thank you for the video.
I got one of this kits sitting here right now without auto pars but i was wondering where did you buy semi-auto trigger group?
thanks!
05FlameRedSRT4 11 months ago
do these come with semi auto parts???
johnb0nat3r 11 months ago
So did you actually build it? What did you do about mounting the front sight base? Or finishing the barrel?
Gostwriterindisguise 1 year ago
@Gostwriterindisguise I havn't built this one yet, been too busy building for everyone esle. This one will be full-auto and will go into our inventory as a Post Sales Sample.
C2builder 1 year ago
excuse me i have some questions @C2builder
The Colt M16A1 Parts Kit are at like $500,
how much $ would it be for me to build one?
and what parts,tools will i need?
i know i can get a ar for the same price when it's done
but i like the history and the look of the old ones
oh and im going to join the army soon so no matter what ill still get to shoot a Colt :)
TheRJMortimer 1 year ago
@TheRJMortimer The only other major expense you would have is for the registered lower (you have to by from a licensed gun dealer). Other than that it's just putting it all together. Yes, you could find a ready built or new AR for about the same price. Some guys build them just to see if they can.
C2builder 1 year ago
Well don't just throw them away..Send them to me! I'll find something in trade..At the rate I'm going with rimfire I'm putting alot of wear on mine..:)
MrChondro 1 year ago
AK-74 is better then M16! there is many small parts in M16... it's bad!
GGun4ik 1 year ago
where did you buy the parts kit with the auto sear if its illegal to sell?
WeAreBeastSometimes 1 year ago
@WeAreBeastSometimes The kits that have all of the full-auto parts are not illegal to sell, it's what individuals do with them after purchase is the kicker. Some Wholesellers remove the auto sear before packaging, some don't. This kit came from Apex.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder can u send me the link of the website the exact one you bought
WeAreBeastSometimes 1 year ago
That looks like the same parts kit I bought to get the auto parts I needed and F/A BCG. The parts are awesome..I took out the originals in my H&R and stuck them in the safe and then planned to build another upper. Hell this one was so nice I just used this to make an upper. With the barrel not having the holes to pin the gas block I just bougth the YHM gas block that you tighten with allen screws..So sort of like getting a free upper for full auto fun. :) Mosty only use rimfire though. Vids up!
MrChondro 1 year ago
how is it they are able to put an autosear in that kit lol i thought all of those sears had to be registered with the nfa
mark16443 1 year ago
@mark16443 Same way that all parts kits you see have a disclaimer that says "NFA rules apply". It's up to the individual to know right from wrong, but for the Class 2 manufacturer the parts kits are better to have all parts included. All registered auto sears were made before 1986, those after are post sample sears for NFA dealers only.
C2builder 1 year ago
So what should you do with the bad parts? Saw them up, ground them up?
TheSouthernGentleman 1 year ago
@TheSouthernGentleman Just throw it away.
C2builder 1 year ago
Is there any legal way to KEEP the FA stuff? Can I do the NFA form
Stizogm 1 year ago
@Stizogm No, the only people that can now use the auto-sear are Class 2 or Class 3 Dealers. If you are the owner of a legally registered M16 reciever you can replace a broken sear if need be. The F/A bolt and carrier are OK to put into a semi AR.
C2builder 1 year ago
great video
i was thinking of buying one of those parts kits
i7q 1 year ago
But can't anybody in the military be able to keep all that? Provided if they purchase the kit?
masterDevis 1 year ago
@masterDevis I really doubt it.
xXCaptnPeteXx 1 year ago
@masterDevis members of the military fall under all the nfa rules
pvtbrowning 1 year ago
@masterDevis Military personnel are no different than civilians when it comes to gun laws.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder oh, okay. Just wanted to know because I'll likely be joining the Army to become a paratrooper soon.
masterDevis 1 year ago
so... if i buy this off jg sales do i need to have a class 3 lisence. i just want a cheapo semi. not saying id keep it auto. or would my ffl holder take that out of the kit? and i wont need a class 3 lisence
budgray18 1 year ago
@budgray18 No problem owning the parts kit as sold, just don't keep the full-auto sear if you also own a functioning AR15 rifle. If you do then just don't advertise it to friends.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder also what would u recommend for a ar-15. im heavily thinking of getting one but i cant justify over a grand for one. at taht price id look for a garand or m1a/m14
budgray18 1 year ago
@budgray18 Yeah the AR15 has really doubled in price since 2008, I think the election and the fear that the assault weapon ban would be added again had alot to do with the price. Rock River Arms makes one of the best AR15 in my opinion, they are quality made and are highly accurate plus they hold their resale value well.
C2builder 1 year ago
so if I mill that knob off the back of the hammer is it good to go?
cdtx906 1 year ago
@cdtx906 or just spend the money and get a new hammer
1776PatriotTeen 11 months ago
You are cool,man!!!
ifili159 1 year ago
thanks for this video
thebibleisfiction 1 year ago
@roth0211 No. All of the parts will fit *except* the autosear. The semiauto AR-15 lowers are not milled & drilled for the autosear and its pin. Installing all of the other full-auto parts without the auto sear will still work on semi-auto, but trying to select full-auto will just make the gun misfire on every-other round.
caspiansm 1 year ago
you could keep the full auto parts and slap them in if the U.S. were to calpse correct?
m15a1nv 1 year ago
@m15a1nv Nope. Possession of a semi-auto AR-15 rifle + possession of full-auto M16 trigger components = what the ATF calls "constructive intent" and they WILL send you to prison for it if you're caught. Not worth the risk.
caspiansm 1 year ago
@C2builder how do you dispose of the auto FCG, can I just throw them in the trash? Can I purchase this parts kit if I have a Complete Lower? Or will I have the ATF Bash my doors down and take me to God Knows Where?
CommieforniaSurvivor 1 year ago
@CommieforniaSurvivor Yes, just throw the FA sear away and you are OK. Also throw away the full-auto selector, hammer, disconnect and trigger. Most guys replace their semi AR15's bolt and carrier with the M16 bolt/carrier and thats OK too. Throw those parts away I mentioned and you are safe even with your complete semi lower.
C2builder 1 year ago
NFA is unconstitutional BS
what do they not understand about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON
BigSean1992 1 year ago 17
@BigSean1992
Amen to that
cmoore990 5 months ago
so if u were to buy a m16 part kit and assembel it you would have a full auto? not thinking about it just a question
thegotammochannel 1 year ago
@thegotammochannel Putting a M16 parts kit together as a full-auto is easy, getting caught and going to prison is even easier.
C2builder 1 year ago 10
so if you modify the no no parts(that can be modified) as you put it to match the semi auto parts are they still illegal?
vampire847 1 year ago
Compare to AR( M16/M4 ), I more accept another structure rifle, e.g G36 or SIG556 :)
Philanderer888 1 year ago
would you be able to register this as a class III and build it with the included parts or would you need the receiver to be class III? one more question if you buy a full fledged class III do you have to leave it as is, or can you modify it change stock, etc?
ijsaenz 1 year ago
@ijsaenz Only a licensed Class 2 manufacturer could assemble this into a working machine gun. If you already had a legally registered M16 lower you could add this kit to it. If you have a registered M16 you can alter it's parts but would have to notify ATF that you did so.
C2builder 1 year ago
Very informative video. I have just finished building my first AR, and was curious about the difference in parts between the two.
clancysfinest 1 year ago
@clancysfinest The only parts difference are the M16 sear, trigger, trigger release, hammer and selector switch.
C2builder 1 year ago
so If I were to use these parts in a bare lower and built a rifle, that rifle would be capable of automatic fire?
TylerRickerson 1 year ago
@TylerRickerson If you can get the parts, yes. But remember, if you're busted -> federal pound you in the ass prison.
MOLRobocop 1 year ago
@TylerRickerson It's not that simple, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to sell these kits.
C2builder 1 year ago
It's easier to just buy a Colt SP-1 or a cheap Century Arms M16A1 clone.
esh325 1 year ago
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007TheReaper007 1 year ago
they put the whole Auto set in the packing..WOW! I cant believe thats ok, but they crawl up your butt about 922r on importing SKS or other nonsense
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago
@DaytonaRoadster Remember, only the bare reciever is the FFL portion in parts kits here in the USA.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder true, and i'm sure they dont import M16 lowers anymore, or is there a difference between the 2 recivers? I always figured there would be for the auto sear.
DaytonaRoadster 1 year ago
Very cool and interesting mate,just sucks I live in Holland and cant legally buy this stuff! Thumbs up mate!
petekilde 1 year ago
Why are they allowed to sell the full auto hammer, trigger, sear, etc. to people that can't have the parts? Can you get in trouble just for having the parts at your house next to your semi auto AR15?
fsvaio 1 year ago
@fsvaio While it's true that here in the USA the lower reciever is considered the registered part of the firearm, ATF has become more carefree about M16 parts in a parts kit or stored parts in your possession. The only bad part that can get you in trouble is the auto sear that I show in the video. It's a cheap part and not worth even $15, but you really need to throw it away. Most vendors remove the auto sear from the kits before selling, some don't.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder What about destroying the part? Does it have to be torch-cut to "de-activate" it like a receiver or can a dremel and some really sloppy, jagged cuts destroy the part to the ATF's liking?
WWIIOLgeorgh 1 year ago
@WWIIOLgeorgh Torch cut?! LOL!!! Just throw it in the trash can. It's so small if you dropped it in the grass you probrably couldn't find it again.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder So the ATF is OK with the auto sear being disposed of without being estroyed? Cool. I kinda worried about that because man, I DON'T want to lose a lot of things! My freedom, my guns and my rear end to name a few things.
WWIIOLgeorgh 1 year ago
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PetrW72 1 year ago
Wait, why buy a m-16 a1 kit when you are not allow to have it in auto.
Would not it be almost identical to ar-15
zerobinary2 1 year ago
@zerobinary2 Lots of guys appeal to the early M16A1 looks, plus the cost of these kits are cheaper than the A2 or M4 kits.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder can you post on link on where you can buy the kit!
zerobinary2 1 year ago
@zerobinary2 Man, they are everywhere. One source is apex-dot-com. and another is centerfiresystems-dot-com. Sorry for the code but you know Youtube.....lol.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder I want one simply because I want a 20" rifle that doesn't have a heavy barrel.
WWIIOLgeorgh 1 year ago
Wait, so the full auto parts ship with the gun? Thats pretty sweet - other than the 10 years in prison bit. Something to put in a jam jar smeared in cosmoline and buried in the back yard? :D
SamEEE12 1 year ago
What made the ATF allow full auto bolt carriers?
C172Pilotdude 1 year ago
@C172Pilotdude I don't recall the ATF Ruling number but if you go to the BATF website and search around you will find it. They basically ruled that they "don't recommend" using a M16 bolt carrier but it is not considered a machine gun by itself if no other M16 internal parts are used within the rifle.
C2builder 1 year ago
The lack of markings COULD suggest that these are something like the old MAP shipments of older equipment and "scrubbed" new equipment and parts for the rifles.
WWIIOLgeorgh 1 year ago
Hm, I would find a way to destroy the auto sear, THEN throw it away.
WWIIOLgeorgh 1 year ago
I really want to build a retro Vietnam era gun. Who makes the lowers that are retro? I used to have the site but cant find it now. Also good job on the parts list of what we can and cant use from those kits. Also a good job on telling everyone do not keep those parts. Thats one thing I have to watch with a Sten MKIII build I have.
TrailerPark42 1 year ago
Very informative. Thanks.
Gorntz 1 year ago
with the fire control group provided it could be full auto right?
iconhelmets 1 year ago
Cool but too much liability and litigation to me to even consider buying one. Seeing previous incidents like Waco......and the over bearing dickheads ATF/FBI agents can be....not worth taking the risk.
makun16 1 year ago
be nice to see that A1 put together and shot down range! Nam style
joshboy1st 1 year ago
nice few q's does it fire ss109s or the older m134(i think thats its designation) ? are these new reproductions or surplus aaannnnd final question whens the kiwi coming !
darraghtank 1 year ago
@darraghtank Not sure on M134 but ss109 is no problem. All of these M16A1 kits are surplus. Ted is supposed to be at my location on July 1st., but he did say that their schedule may change depending on Las Vegas attractions.
C2builder 1 year ago
@darraghtank Not sure on M134 but ss109 is no problem. All of these M16A1 kits are surplus. Ted is supposed to be at my location on July 1st., but he did say that their schedule may change depending on Las Vegas attractions.
C2builder 1 year ago
Nice kit with the fun switch....LOL
aaadream 1 year ago
Sounds like class 2 builders get to have fun with the fun switches LOL, However if you don't pay the Tax for the Class2/FFL/SOT each year can you keep any other the Full Auto's that were made?
TMHonfire102 1 year ago
@TMHonfire102 Both NFA Dealers an Manufacturer's can not keep any machine gun made after 1986 (basically Post Samples made after '86). All others we can keep tax free after giving up our license.
C2builder 1 year ago
i've been looking at these "kits" for awhile since i cant afford to go buy a new ar-15 and would like the chance to put one together is there any licensing i need to have or is it just dont use the "no no parts" and im ok
jayarab 1 year ago
@jayarab No license needed. Just use the semi fire control parts and your OK. Check Midway or Sportsmansguide for cheap AR parts needed. I've built several of these kits into semi AR's for guys and they work good. As with all AR15's you don't have to worry about headspacing them when done. Just go slow and check everything out before your test shoot.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder what about it being registered? sorry i dont know much on the gun laws
jayarab 1 year ago
@jayarab Any unlicensed individual here in the USA can build themselves a semi auto. You can't build them just to sell, you build it for personal use.
C2builder 1 year ago
I wouldn't even bother with an A1; we all know that they were utterly useless, jamming consistently after the first round unless the chamber was lubed well with LSA or other lubricant. The A2 upper and hand guards look better cosmetically, and does not have problems with chamber tolerances that the A1's were notorious for.
SSSCLimitedTrademark 1 year ago
@SSSCLimitedTrademark, If built properly I've never seen a problem with them. Maybe you had lemons.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder I'm pointing at the historical aspect of the A1's that saw service in Vietnam and then on. Prolonged use through combat without much cleaning made the A1 a rather useless weapon for the typical infantryman, and the poor tolerances of the chamber as well as the bolt mechanism created continuous feeding errors which led the A1 to be notorious for problems. Hence developments were made for the A2 and many of the problems that the A1 had were addressed.
SSSCLimitedTrademark 1 year ago
@SSSCLimitedTrademark, History and studies have proven the culprit in the Viet Nam M16 disasters as being USGI Ball powder, which was switched by the ammunition producers at the Army's request. All prior testing was done not using ball powder. I'm not saying the A1 is better than the A2 or even A4, all I'm saying is that the 1960's era rifle was given a bad rap for others mistakes.
C2builder 1 year ago
@SSSCLimitedTrademark There is no difference between an A1 and A2 in regards to bolt, chamber, and bore....aside from the rifling twist which in no way effects reliability. The stories told about how "unreliable" the M16A1 series are is just that.. stories.
HatrXx78 1 year ago
yeah they killed those almost shot out barrels,LOL. I think they did us a favor by asking for no barrels to be returned, wish the twist rate was a 1-12 twist.
dude, A2 round handguards fit, you just have to make sure the handguard cap behind the sight base is compatable, mine fit either one, it's A2's round ones.. hope that helps. A1's benchrest easier since they're flat. also what you are calling a 'trigger release' is the DISCONNECTOR, good video and I'm bein a gun snob,sorry.
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Dude
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
@80spodcastchannel Gun snob, LOL. Yeah, the Feds may have helped you semi builders on the barrel ban but they hurt the Hell out of us NFA Dealers. The price of original barrels for everything from MG34 to SG43 went way up in price. Plus, there are some barrels needed that will never be made here in the USA.
OK, the A2 forearms may fit but they'll look like crap and move around a bit. Stick with a dealer that will give you another good set free, it's only fair.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder actually Dude,if you want I can post videos of them locked down on a nam era barrel I got that is kinda pretty tired. it's my light duty pop/play 22LR Ciener conversion unit barrel. hey with all the great barrels from alot of big names it MIGHT be better they got trashed,even though I like the light profile and slow twist rates. do you do a large volume of T2 stuff or mostly by request builds only? I worked in a class 3 store some years ago and got to play with buzz guns, way fun
80spodcastchannel 1 year ago
Apex is awesome i order some of my AK stuff from them great prices and good quality
cokeman2423 1 year ago
looks cool :)
mainminevin 1 year ago
is there a difference in strength with a ar 15 bolt carrier and the m16 a1 or a2 bolt carrier? in your opinion what is the best kit you have found.
ps90tacguy 1 year ago
@ps90tacguy That's a big "can of worms" debate I've heard over the last 20 years. I've heard everything from "improved balance" to "better chamber lockup" by using the full-auto carrier. In my opinion, in a semi-auto rifle it's not gonna make a hill of beans difference, even if you bump fire the thing. The added weight of a few grams is not going to change the characteristics in it's operation. Some guys do it just to look cool to buddies I guess.
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder I find when bumpfiring the Semi auto carrier is best, the lighter carrier some how gives me a faster cycle rate then even a true Full Auto cycle rate.
TMHonfire102 1 year ago
Id like to have the selector switch, however I hear mixed things about putting it in a semi auto, what do you think?
TMHonfire102 1 year ago
@TMHonfire102 Why have it if it doesn't do the job? It won't make a semi go full-auto by itself, but then why have it?
C2builder 1 year ago
@C2builder your right, its just lets you turn it the other way to make it look like an FA, However as a class 2 can you build a post, sample without any more paper work?
TMHonfire102 1 year ago
@TMHonfire102 As a C2 I can build anything (full-auto or semi up to .55 caliber) without permission from ATF. All I do is fax them a Form 2 (shows SN# and model name) when it's finished so they can add it to their database.
C2builder 1 year ago
were these kits old military surplus that they put on the civilian market?
SonnyJWright 1 year ago
@SonnyJWright Yes, some countries sell the guns in kit form to importers and get rid of their old surplus guns when they upgrade to a newer version or different service rifle altogether. I assume all these kits on the market being sold came from one country.
C2builder 1 year ago
No No parts #LOL
TMHonfire102 1 year ago
@TMHonfire102 That's so even the minors out there understand...you know, the TNP'ers.
C2builder 1 year ago
An A1 kit? Even for free? You've made my day :D
Early M16's are too cool.
peepeevagi 1 year ago
Thumbs Up my Friend!
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago