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  • So now the whole world has to have the same mindset as the USA, otherwise we're wrong? Hows THAT for imposing something?

  • soon we will see Pat Condell become a muslim, its a matter of time this is what happens to every muslim haters they soon embrace it at the end.

  • @ajmolaliful How high are you right now?

  • @ajmolaliful True that.

  • if he cited quranic references at the beginning where he states that there should be violence against apostates and such then there would be cause for debate because i found nothing which stated this in the quran. i think he dislikes wahabbis but he umbrellas many scholars and doesn't mention their school of thought, of which there are multiple. i agree that there are corruptors who use religion for ulterior motives but this isn't exclusive to islam and it isn't condoned by it either.

  • LIER

  • Pat, you're the maaaan! Keep on telling things as they are!

  • islam is absolute evil and should be outlawed the world over...

  • So in general I actually like what Pat has to say immensely and am often rolling in laughter at it. But this narrow, insular, provincial bullshit about not wanting to learn languages is a bit much. Apart from the Qur'an Arabic is also useful for communicating with 300 million people. I'm a Euro-American and a staunch secularist but I've taken the effort to learn Arabic and the world would be a much better place if we spent more time talking to rather than at/about each other.

  • This guy just got charged recently for molesting a little boy, it was on CNN

  •  oh you go to hell old man! you know nothing about Islam!!

  • @980310emma You'll see, who has the upper hand.

  • Islam forbids sexual relationships outside marriage, thus a man can be sure that his sons and daughters are really his sons and daughters.

    In western communities a man cannot be sure that his sons and daughters are really his sons and daughters. Can you see the difference.

  • @skgrouponline Show me one religion which do not forbid sex outside marriage you dickhead.

  • Why single out Islam.I can show you a verse right now from the Christian bible that tell you it's ok to hit a woman as long as your don't leave any marks.The Bible is extreme in it's views like the quoran.Only differance is Muslims choose to obey these extreme commandments and Christian choose to pretend their almost identical commandments in their holy book testament don't apply or exists.As a fellow atheist why don't you tone down the bigotry and tell it like it really is.

  • everytime you fill your car with petrol, you are supporting the saudis to spread there evil doctrine around the world.

  • @mecyrbc Actually, I'd argue Christians do obey the more ridiculous veiws in the Bible: Gays for instance.

  • @KungfuCow5 really? LOL Christians may hate gays, they may not support gay mariiage, hell some christians might even beat up some gay people. But it's not even close to being compared to what happens in islam. in iran, gays are hung publicly, in iraq gays are burned in the streets, in pakistan gays are beaten to death, in afghanistan gays are killed, in africa gays are lynched.

  • Here's the problem: Pat Condell's insight is so spot on, few would dare to argue with him based on logic. Religion in and of itself isn't the problem. The PROBLEM arises when religions blindly claim an undisputable moral high ground -- and ISLAM is the most dangerus culprit of that vanity.

    Relgionists, especially Muslims may protest and call him all sorts of names and acuse him of all manner of bigotry. But in the end, he is correct.

  • @Painterly51 No he isn't, and I would argue with him anytime.

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  • Well you missed one big thing - The quran calls muslims to emulate their murderous prophet muhamad, and thats where the other even more hateful and sadistic book comes into place - The hadith...

  • @AlgerianMAZB then why don't u muslims take action against the radicals! you are always quick to criticize non muslims and hate on us for being racist when we are against the radicals ruining your religion! Start taking action and speaking out more often against the radicals instead of us having to

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  • @metalhead1818 Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Do you apologize for the actions of people you happen to share a common race or culture? If you're an atheist are you still speaking out against Mao and Stalin? Get a clue.

  • @cerealkilla4eva i dont have to apoligize on behalf of anyone that shares a similar race or ethnicity to me because I am not muslim and it's Muslims who are causing more problems than anyone else in the modern world. Are you stupid or ignorant? Look at whats happening around the world! Muslims killing christians in Africa, Syria, Egypt! Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets into israel everyday! muslims killing hindus in pakistan! Sunnis killing shiites in Iraq!

  • @metalhead1818 "i dont have to apoligize on behalf of anyone that shares a similar race or ethnicity to me because I am not muslim" LOL Ok gotcha tough guy, so its just a double standard on Muslims right? You ignoramuses make me laugh.

  • @cerealkilla4eva once again look at whats happening in the world today! majority of crimes committed in the name of religion or god are perpetrated by muslims, the fact remains, your religion is not obviously as peaceful and tolerable as you would like it to be and sure isn't powerful and almighty otherwise you would have the control over the minority of radicals destroying islams reputation...

  • @metalhead1818 Fundamentalist Islam is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity, yet the heads of Christian churches do not control their radical (and frankly insane) members.

  • @KungfuCow5 Fundamentalist islam is funded by many islamic scolars, universities, mosques and rich muslims. Fundamentalist islamic groups thrive in the middle east and africa, the KKK on the other hand does not have very much support. Also, the KKK does not represent Christianity as the KKK is opposed to certain christian denominations. The KKK also does not intertwine itself with christianity as much as Al Qaeda does with islam, or al shaabab or even the taliban.

  • @metalhead1818 They used to have a wide-ranging support throughout the Christian community (Protestant), they were ignorant people responding to a 'threat' to there culture as Al Qaeda were responding to western presence in the Holy lands. And the Taliban regime is the equivalent of that of the Nazis in Germany. Besides, I was merely pointing out that Christians haven't given up the more extreme side of their religion either.

  • @KungfuCow5 hoenstly, as an ex muslim, i can say that muslims are more extreme on average and do pose a greater threat to world security than radical christians do. Christianity is pretty much done with their extremism and influential powers which began in the dark ages and is near extinct now. islam has been around for 1400 years and in that time we have set to see any reforms. it will take a long time for islam to catch up with the modern world and we need to recognize that.

  • @cerealkilla4eva 96% of terrorists are muslims! Al Qaeda, Al Shaabab, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, PLFP, etc. The list goes on! How many crimes commited in the name of allah and islam in the last 70 years! Too many to count! At least when other religious people or athiests commit crimes they dont do it they name of their religion or God or they common people! What about the fact that throughout history muslims have tore down sacred temples and built mosques on top

  • @metalhead1818 So answer me this... who financed these groups to form and gather weaponry in the first place? Hmm I wonder...

  • @cerealkilla4eva rich saudis, like bin laden and others you fuckin idiot! honestly shut the fuck up you don't sound smart at all by calling me out on well known facts, it just makes you look like the idiot...

  • @cerealkilla4eva Muslims destroyed the marabodhi temple in india (a sacred buddhist site) and they built the Dome of the Rock on top of Solomon's temple (a sacred Jewish site). Muslims have tension with pretty much every religion and other religions don't have problems with all other religions so is it just coincidence? I think not! i think its the fact that islam preaches dominance and intolerance over other religions and you have been brainwashed to hate non muslims. fuck you!

  • @metalhead1818 "...intolerance over other religions and you have been brainwashed to hate non muslims. fuck you!"

    Oh the irony... the brilliant babbling of intolerance and hate followed by a remarkable "fuck you". Explains all the irrationality of idiots hating on Islam when they really have no clue about it.

  • @Unwahrheitsverdreher Sorry but that's the dumbest & most racist comment i've seen all day, if your going to write a comment, be smart & make it a possible argument in reference to the video. Not a random insult

  • YOU GOT SERVED BITCHES

  • @ScruAtheists Islam is not God's final relevations, it is distorted Judeo-Christian beliefs and poetic verses. It was only good for the 7th century and we non muslim humans advanced out of that era 1400 years ago, muslims haven't. they still beat women, stone adulters, cover women in dark clothing, kill homosexuals, kill apostacers and disguise terrorist attacks as "jihad" and "Glorified Acts in the name of God". they have ruined humanity's reputation...

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  • @TaylorMonica1 That Pat's videos now have huge amounts of translation now available is most interesting; his message is spreading; thank you.

  • ur a rasist basterdd okk. u wuldnt lyk it if we said enyfin bout ur religion. look at all ur videos. says nufin bot christians does it?

  • @YO786123 This has nothing to do with racism?

    "You wouldn't like it if we said anything about your religion"? LOOK AT ALL THE TERROR IN THE WORLD, MOST OF THE TERROR HAS AN ISLAMIC BACKGROUND, so when the hell DON'T you act in hatred against "our" religion? I'm an Atheist but hands down, Islam is the most idiotic one between the two.

    (No, I'm not calling all Muslims terrorists.)

    For saying that I guess I should according to this religion get stoned to death or something.

  • @YO786123

    Pat has many videos on Christianity, go have a look.

  • @dwshadows why the fuk shalll i have a luk for ?

  • @YO786123

    You should have a look so you can see for yourself that Pat just does not talk about Islam but about all religions.

  • @YO786123 Have you not seen any of this guys other videos? Most of them are anti christianity!

  • @truesouljs i dnt give 2 shits.

    the guy is racsist

  • @YO786123 It's nothing to do with race. He openly says he doesn't like racists in other videos. By the way cunt only has one "t" & racist only has one "s". Learn to spell, it's not hard. Also if you want to talk about racism just look at every islamist scumbag. They openly express hatred for westerners, so it's ok for them but not for others? Islamists can't take criticism but they can dish it out no problem. If you insult people, then expect to be insulted back. That's how it works, you prick.

  • @YO786123 Also this guy doesn't have any religion. He was raised catholic but became Atheist. Also his arguments are nothing to do with race. His problem is only with religion. As is mine.

  • @truesouljs well did i kno that?

    no i didnt cunttt

  • @YO786123 You meant he was discriminating but not racist. and that's because of mocking and ridiculing way he chose to adopt. Beside, he is atheist not christian any more.

  • @ScruAtheists  did i kno that ?

    no i didnt so u better keep ur goub shut

  • Guess what the fastest growing religion in the states is Islam! so go do your research than talk abt it. Anybody who posts shit on wikipedia. u belive it! Fuk u

  • @15120582 ... What does this have anything do to with ANYTHING? Why does that matter?

    And a huge percent of the American population are overweight, does that mean it is right to be overweight? Just because the majority are it?

    You have a weird way of seeing things.

  • will u shut the fuck up.. u dnt knw shit!!! dnt knw where u got your brains from. think with your brains not with your ass!

    i watched only 20secs of your video and dnt even feel like continuing watching.

  • @15120582 Well then you shouldn't say shit until you watch the entire thing I guess.

    I'm surprised how you can't come with anything to prove him wrong, or any kind of argument, and instead just go right for the insults. A true moron.

  • wife beating , 109 Sorrh are the only right. other than that he is talking about his background.

  • @taylormonica1, repeatedly, even after several of us point out great issues with islamic beliefs, instead of intelligently debating them with us, you simply state the same old line again and again, is that part of the islam tradition where you tell infidels lies to put them at ease to make defeating them easier? Help me out here guys, the word for it from the quran starts with a T i think....

  • @ElderPromethean I bet you are a new beginner in here. All lies have been discussed and refuted "repeatedly". All what you have to do is to scroll down. That is if you aim to seek the truth, otherwise never mind.. The herd members are not that many.

  • Woman raped man??

    Are you serious!!

  • At one of those muslim Extremist protest I think the recent one outside the US embassy, A Asian protester was holding a banner up, Saying "We dont want your freedom", I mean how stupid was this person, It's that freedom of speech that allows to him to protest.. but doesn't want our freedom, He can leave and not be able to protest at all..

  • This guy spouting nonsense about a subject he has in no way researched objectively and factually is already pathetic, without it being about Muslims anyway. Plus all the comments that back him up are full of the same idiotic assumptions. People like these ought to get a life instead of hating for the sake of hatred.

  • I wonder how many muslims TRULY can read the quran in arabic. I would go as far as saying only half of all muslims can even read.

  • Quran (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

    Quran (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.

  • So, taylormonica1, your saying the several thousand soldiers and several hundred political leaders in egypt abusing ALL the women that country simply to punishnthem for being born female DOESN'T represent the islamic whole? Several thousand women abusing rapist monsters does not represent the group? Where the FUCK did you learn math?

  • hehe you're so awesome Pat!

  • Your a complete count. Nobody cares what you think.

  • Get a job

  • you'd think god, in all his infinite wisdom, would have spit out SOMETHING succinct in all of the book's ranting.

  • well, the internal combustion engine may turn out to be more of a bane of mankind than a boon. not that it wasn't a marvelously ingenious and useful invention.

  • Great famous philosophers,writers, leaders, and poets say totally the opposite of your one-sided biased little minded proclamation.

    They say Islam is a great religion.Fanatic extremists do not represent Islam just like Hitler, T McVeigh, or Breivik do not represent Christianity.Beside,Islam is not represented by fake scholars just like christianity is not represented by those child abuser priests.Read Quran and the bibliography of Mohammad you know what Islam is.

  • @TaylorMonica1 Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, & lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."

    Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”

  • @TaylorMonica1 "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their fingertips off them." (8:12)

    He (Allah) has sent His Apostle (Muhammad) with the guidance and the (only) true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions’ [Quran 48:28].

    The prophet of Islam boasted, "I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220]

  • @TaylorMonica1 Bukhari 9, 84, 57: (punishment for leaving Islam is death)

    'Some Atheists were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them...Ibn 'Abbas said "...I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, "WHOEVER CHANGED HIS ISLAMIC RELIGION, THEN KILL HIM."

  • @TaylorMonica1 ‘Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not’ Q 2:216

    “fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all

    that they do’ [Quran 8:39].

  • @TaylorMonica1 " [quran 5:33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: EXECUTION, OR CRUCIFIXION, OR THE CUTTING OFF of hands and feet from opposite sides, ... "

  • @TaylorMonica1 Quran 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive and he made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.” (does not match my quran)

    Quran 71:26 “My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth!

    71:27 If you leave them, they will mislead your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.”

  • @TaylorMonica1 Read the quran/hadiths. There is fundamentalist movement in Islam. Terrorists have the quran & teachings behind them. Muslims who want to move into 20th century are killed. 56 Muslim countries, muslim leaves Islam he is KILLED, criticize Islam you are KILLED; non Muslims are 2nd class citizens NO equal rights, women's testimony worth 1/2 a mans-inheritance also 1/2 a man's. Christians in Egypt discriminated against for centuries-Christians in Iraq annihilated

  • @TaylorMonica1 As soon as a religion is chanting to do harm to whoever their "God" wants them to harm, we are obligated out of humanity, to stop this madness before things get out of hand.

    Hitler did not represented Christianity at the time, but he claimed it was his divine obligation to murder the Jews by the millions and used his faith to convince millions of Germans to not have any pity on these subhumans for betraying Jesus and they fell for it, ..even the pope in Rome!

  • Respect from Morocco

  • Fake fake fake, u bitch tell nothing but lies . Checkout my video about Islam , ok look there are much much shaims of wat ever u call your religion more than ours,I'm a Muslim and this is fake , these are not like Muslims from heart , Mohammed told us 100 percent not to do this and quit a few people do that , feel so sorry for u poor an , shame on u

  • Im a muslim and thats full of bullshit so you batter shut the fuck up you fuckin racist

  • @samsoom61 Racist? Since when is "Muslim" a race? Being Islamic is a state of mind and therefore being critical of a state of mind, can never be racist.

    Did you ever hear a communist and a capitalist accuse each other of being a racist? How about a democrat and a republican?

    You decide to be Muslim but you can stop right here, right now... but you do not, which is your right to do, however we also have the right to be critical about anyone or anything that wants to hurt another living being.

  • Alarming rise of Muslim (dis)HONOUR attacks in the UK as police finally reveal thousands were carried out last year alone

    3rd December 2011 * London sees the highest number of honour crimes, with West Midlands second. * Cases rise by more than 300 per cent in some areas. * Culprits hailed 'heroes' in the community for carrying out the attacks.

    .

    According to figures, at least 2,823 incidents of 'honour-based' violence took place, with the highest taking place in London.

  • So, this issue is a political one and goes back to leadership rather than an islamic legislation. A clear and accurate reading to the verses mentioned below say it all. I would recommend that you read about Abdullah ibn Abi Alsarh who left Islam and what the prophet did to him when he conquered Makkah. Just tell me one name whom Muhammad had killed because of Apostasy.

  • “And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?” [10:99]

    6. Therefore, In Islam, It is not a legislation to kill who abandons the religion. If it were then Alhudaybia treaty signed by the prophet and the pagans would not had been as it was.

  • @TaylorMonica1 It is well known that a Muslim who leaves Islam in the Islamic state the punishment under Islamic law is DEATH...this was the sharia that was from the 6th century...this is how Mohammad set it up. Islamic law also treats on Muslims as 2nd class citizens.. Did you know if a non Muslim goes to Mecca they are KILLED, preach another religion you are KILLED-not one church or synagogue is allowed in

    Saudi Arabia...Mohammad expelled all Jews and Arab pagans from Arabi

  • @TaylorMonica1 Egypt, Iran, etc. were captured by Muslim armies-Christians were annihilated-a big mosque replaced church in Constantinople the center of Christianity which is now Turkey. Egyptian Christians churches/houses burned, Christians attacked, Egyptian army KILLED peaceful protesters-Christians have no rights or compensation. Christians in Iraq are now persecuted and being eliminated-there are almost NO Christians left in Bethlehem because of persecution by Muslims.

  • 5. I refer you to Quran, Gods final and authentic revelations “There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.” [2:256], and “Indeed, to Us is their return. Then indeed, upon Us is their account.” [88:25 &26], What about this verse “And say, 'The truth is from your Lord', so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." [18:29], or maybe this verse: CONTINUED ABOVE..

  • @TaylorMonica1 This peaceful verse ws ABROGATED The following verse abrogates “There is no compulsion in religion”: AT-TAWBA Surah 9:5 So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them..." after 10 yrs Mohammed only had 10 followers so his peaceful verses changed

  • 4. Regarding beating women, what about this (The best among you are the best to their wives) [Altermithy & Ibn Majah]. Muslims are commanded to be of a good behaviour especially to the closest ones such as wife and parents. The verse you mentioned talks about the Nashez woman. Apparently, as others do not know what “Nashez” mean! Then how dare you talk of things you do not know?

  • 3. Why do you ignore a verse like “God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” [60:8]

  • @TaylorMonica1 we will need to examine the behavior associated with a particular dogma.. reading the quran itself is useless, we only need to see what quranic teaching produces.. we can do this on the aggregate .. (e.g. women's rights under islamic governance..) that would be a good place to start.

  • Differences are only in legislations. Other religions have been distorted severely over the ages. And so God has sent his final messenger to abrogate and correct the fallacy in these distorted religions and He the Almighty may do whatever He wishes. Let it be Islam that is his final religion, what is annoying about it?

  • @TaylorMonica1 Have you read the quran and hadiths?

    "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their fingertips off them." (8:12)

    He (Allah) has sent His Apostle (Muhammad) with the guidance and the (only) true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions’ [Quran 48:28].

    "…Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not…approach the Sacred Mosque." (9:28)

  • @wakeup6661 QURAN 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and BEAT THEM. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them.

  • @TaylorMonica1 9:5

    Sura 9:5 "fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them, & seize them, beleaguer them, lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. But if they repent, & establish regular prayers & pay Zakat, then open the way for them."

    Sura 9:29:“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, & feel themselves subdued.”

  • @TaylorMonica1 ‘Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and

    ye know not’ Q 2:216

    “fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all

    that they do’ [Quran 8:39].

  • @TaylorMonica1 Bukhari 9, 84, 57: (punishment for leaving Islam is death)

    'Some Atheists were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them...Ibn 'Abbas said "...I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, "WHOEVER CHANGED HIS ISLAMIC RELIGION, THEN KILL HIM."

  • @wakeup6661 OMG, Once again, Do I have to repeat what I have said before. I am sick of repeating these discussions over and over. You seem a beginner in here!

    I will try to go over it briefly.

    Sure, Muslims were commanded to seek for their rights and not to give them up. At the early ages, Muslims had been persecuted, murdered, raped, expelled from their own houses and villages. Do you think that God will ask them to accept it? Naa. You would not accept that yourself.

  • @TaylorMonica1 Are you kidding? Islam was spread by the sword. Even my Muslim dentist told me how Iran was conquered by Muslim soldiers who killed the King and queen and took the women as sex slaves. Muslim invaders conquered Constantinople, they conquered Egypt, the conquered as far as Spain, Africa & Asia. Mohammad KILLED 700-900 male Jews-the Jews of Banu by chopping off their heads in a big ditch from morning till night

  • @TaylorMonica1 Mohammad conquered a Jewish tribe and married the 17 yr old Safiya, after KILLING her husband and her son, on the same day he married her & slept with her. Mohammad also asked his adopted son to divorce his wife so he could marry her, and because of that he made adoption illegal in Islam. Mohammad saw Aisha when she was a baby & said he would marry her. He married Aisha when she was 6, had sex between her thighs, and consummated sex when she was 9 yrs old.

  • @wakeup6661 So Fighting for their rights to worship God freely was so essential. You do not know what happened to the first few tens of Muslims when God decreed for Islam to rise. We stated clearly that Islam is not different from Christianity or Judaism or any heavenly religion in the sense of spine belief (to believe in the oneness of God). CONTINUED ABOVE

  • @TaylorMonica1 Under Islamic Sharia there is NO freedom of speech criticize Islam you get DEATH penalty for crime of blasphemy. Asia Bibi is Christian in jail in Pakistan for this crime. Two politicians one Christian and one Muslim were KILLED because they wanted to free her/eliminate this law. Fundamentalists KILL Muslims who do NOT agree with them. Fundamentalists have gotten 60% of the vote in Egypt.

  • The information only came to light after Kausar's family suffered a burglary and the memory stick was handed to police so officers could view CCTV images of the break-in recorded on the device.

    When police analysed the memory stick Kausar's hoard of terror-related information came to light.

    He told officers he had downloaded the information out of "curiosity and a thirst for knowledge"

    >>>> THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE??? Yes, the knowledge of the dark arts.

  • Continued.. I, as a Muslim, pay full respect to others and offer the help when needed regardless to faith or ethnic background. At the same time I feel annoyed when disrespected. "And We have certainly honored the children of Adam " (17:70). And because of this I would never wish that other do not exist, I would rather wish that they are guided and find the straight path.

  • @samimosaad I am glad to see that you represent the reasonable part of Islam, and now I can see why you are so confident in your beliefs as you have taken to heart a positive look on the religion and life. I'm sure that we can't sway each other's opinions, as we share the level of confidence. What is left there to say... Maybe a bit more :P

  • ...There are many different ways to read into Quran and Mohammed's teachings, and many of them aren't positive. How can you praise such writings as divine, when they can be so flawed and bring so much torment to both - its followers and deniers? If there was a deity responsible, it wouldn't deserve my respect, nor would I feel the need to worship it. You have to admit there is a lot of evil (in modern perception) found in these writings (as with most archaic scriptures).

  • ...Then there is the possibility of these religious beliefs to be untrue, and it all fits together a lot better: scripture is man-written, and as with all literature it can be interpreted differently and therefore there is no absolute truth, just opinions, in this case it's people clinging to mythology, either because they live in underdeveloped societies, or find some of the teachings too good to miss. I know which possibility i find more appealing.

    With all respect.

  • @Vienalgs To be honest, as an educated person (by the way, my education was based in the states and the UK) I do not see any evil or flaw in Islam (I do not like the expression Mohammad's teachings as he was only a messenger conveying a message). If you have anything in mind bring it up on the table to discuss it. Bear in mind please that things related to modern life belong only to our recent life and so it is unfair to apply our century standards to the 7th century ones or vice versa.

  • @samimosaad LOL....stop LYING! We know you muslims are always full of shit. We also know what you carry in your hearts. Hatred.