The Abortion Matrix (rough version) The Origin of Child Sacrifice

[mell8519]

thanks for posting and sharing!lots of info!!

[Mia6146]

Have you read that story, and know the real meaning? If not then shut up!!

[stevebnns]

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[stevebnns]

Satan is a crafty demon who loves to counterfeit himself as God He truly rules most religious sects

God said that the sign or mark of his people is the 7th day Sabbath and annual Sabbaths

So the sign or Mark of Satan could possibly be false days like Easter or other idea no having t biblical authority

[stevebnns]

Easter or Ishtar was also known as the queen of heaven which Jeremiah a prophet sent to the nations of Israel who were already taken into captivity by Assyria (Germany) to give prophetic warning from God. They used rabbits and eggs to represent fertility.

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Christmas 2 is falz

[stevebnns]

I find it ironic that traditional Christian views speak out against these pagan rituals and abortion when they unknowingly worship the same pagan god and goddesses at Easter or better known as Asheria or Ishtar. Christmas was being observed for hundreds of years before 325 A.D when the Catholic Church changed the 7th day Sabbath and 7 annual Sabbaths along with adding the Trinity and the Sunday Doctrines and many more false ideas into Christian beliefs.

LOOK IT UP!!!!!!! Nicaea Council 325 A.D!!

[LoveJoyPeaceComfort]

blavatsky said both Chiun and Molech are the same as Shiva and Saturn.

[LoveJoyPeaceComfort]

The Hebrew word for 'Grove' is also Asherah, when related to idolatry. And Baal was her consort. So today we have guru's or consorts of the goddess. Dalai lama is the false prophet of goddess tara/kali

[poopyskidmark]

Yay! Child sacrifice! crying babies are best left on pikes until they bleed out and grow silent. Make sure they are muslim or christian babies though. They must also be perfect children. MOLECH MUST HAVE HIS BURT OFFERING!

YAY! BURT OFFERINGS! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee­eeeeeeeeeee!

[amielanquist41]

i wanna download this album again in downloadmusic .im

[zhedron]

THEY SACRIFICE INNOCENT BLOOD TO THEIR IDOL OF CONVENIENCE.

[williamstdog9]

what happened to the other 6 parts?? NOWHERE to be found on youtube.. what the?

Thanks for the tease!

[EqualAndFree]

Ancient Canaanites & Israelites - who worshipped gods such as El, Asherah, Yahweh and Baal - believed they could 'atone' for their sins through the blood sacrifice of an innocent child or young animal. This is illustrated in the story of Abraham - who was not surprised by Yahweh's instruction to sacrifice his son, though a lamb became a substitute. The concept of blood atonement survived into Christianity - where the human sacrifice of Jesus, the "lamb of God", somehow 'atoned' for our sins.

[michael616joaquin]

satan is not a being its a title, ha shatan, maybe read a different book

[universeplayground]

once this forerunner sell out nigger wakes up and sees who the whites are, you guys are in trouble..i hate fag niggas who dont want t owake up..we all have to

[pdot1337]

I believe that abortion should be allowed.

What happens if I rape your wife? Does she still have to have my bastard child, or can you abort the child?

[jcr4runner]

@pdot1337 If you rape, you should be executed. What type of sick mind would kill the innocent child in place of the guilty?

[yankeesuperstar]

@jcr4runner strong work brother

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

@jcr4runner Once again, the assumed moral religious response as so represented by you is to kill. I don't have a say one way or the other about abortion in the case or rape. I have a very dear friend who survived a rape, I have seen the effects it has on her, continual effects, and I can see how a child might complicate that, however adoption is always a possibility. The issue I am here to address is that for someone so outraged at the taking of another's life it seems to be something

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

which you seem perfectly fine with suggesting so long as the life taken is the life of someone easy for you to feel malice toward, or of course if the life your told to take belongs to someone you feel god, your one true god, would ask you to kill. If a person commits rape there are proper ways to address it, let them live, prison seems a decent environment (one keeping them from society) for them to get the help they need, see the errors of their ways, perhaps even find a relationship with

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

the same god you would have them killed in the name of. I can imagine that these words may be lost to you, your first response will be to fight them, go ahead, I am willing to consider opinions you may represent, however I feel it safe to say that when your first response to sinners is to kill them, your representation of Christianity is not the same representation Christ would make. I realize religious abortion is horrifying, however to attack the religion for the ones poorly

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

representing it, that is as limiting to you and your ability to be a productive agent of Gods will as it is to those who would look at all the horrible representations of Christianity and judge the entire faith upon the actions of the distorted followers within its system. May the divine be present in you-tube, for it seems more and more common that those claiming to be representatives of the divine sin against the family of humanity that the divine has created. May the divine spirit bless all

[michael616joaquin]

@jcr4runner so its ok to bring a child into the world through crime? how can a mother love that child?

[EqualAndFree]

@jcr4runner

You ask "What type of sick mind would kill the innocent child in place of the guilty?"

Well, Abraham comes to mind...

[750grAmax]

@jcr4runner Islam would.

[NENENG46]

@jcr4runner There is a story in a newsletter send to me a mother that was rape in her own house by a black man who just possible want to stole something in the house. it devasted the whole family. being a christian,it challenge there belief, to abort the baby or not they choose not too. The baby grown as a beautiful woman now. love and accepted. both of them share there experience to the world in choosing Life beyond all the bad circumstances happen it produce a good seed. happy ending.

[atheistworstenemy]

@pdot1337 You'll notice they didn't answer your question.

Pro-choice = usually justified with reasonable thought. Pro life = maybe there's a valid point to it, but they are absolutely incompetent at reasoning.

that's how i see it.

[EqualAndFree]

@pdot1337 Apparently she must have the child AND marry the rapist...

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” (Deuteronomy 22:28–29)

[SuperDoomNinja]

@pdot1337 There is only a small window of days in which pregnancy can occur. and even in that case it take very specific factors in order for the egg to actually be fertilized. Im not saying it doesn't happen. But it's the same slim chance of a teen getting pregnant after their first time. It's not like the rapist will be tracking the victims menstral cycle.So in your theory we should allow women to kill thousands if not millions of children a year. to allow the one pregnant rape victim to abort

[ikambor]

@pdot1337 either way,, its still killing a human being isnt it?? if your wife was raped and got pregnant, and you abort the baby,, you killed it.. correct? and then you have to answer to God,, if you believe there is one,, and well even if you don't youll end up having to explain it

[frnzkuester]

@pdot1337 Yes she could kill the child but I know for sure she would not, that child is innocent.

[RawBizzness83]

@pdot1337 That's a very good point and youre right. I agree with you on that point, and i do believe that was the original intended purpose for abortion, but now that right is being abused much like prescription drugs.

[gabrielle1017]

no part 4-10?

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

I find it interesting they use 1 Samuel 15 to suggest Witchcraft is Immoral (that is what is being suggested right?) since 1 Samuel 15 orders for the lords followers to destroy every child, man, woman, and even animal within a certain area. God is then displeased when they only mostly destroy the area, sparing a few things they saw good in. It is at this point that there rebellion to destroy entirely is compared to divination, a practice of witchcraft. 

[jcr4runner]

@CampStandByMeMrAdams

This cannot be compared to murdering judicially innocent children still in the womb.

Murder is the premeditated killing of judicially innocent people. Killing in a military campaign is not murder.

In the case of the holy war against the Canaanites, God pronounced the whole NATION guilty, not just the individuals. Only God himself had the authority to do that. We may not today.

God himself as the ultimate judge will ultimately send people to hell, the second death.

[CampStandByMeMrAdams]

@jcr4runner Andrea Yates once received orders from god, she had the highest degree of absolute certainty that she did. I think I would rather burn in hell for all eternity then take another persons life because god told me to. I do realize however that is my choice, and others can take life in what they consider moral justification as they so choose. I still think its interesting, killing for one god is ok, and another is bad. Personally I would rather not kill for either. That's just me though.

[studioROT]

These desperate concoctions of biblical justification are an abomination of human intellect. Have you no dignity?

Your willingness to believe in the existence of a supernatural influence on your destiny allows you to attempt to distill moral goodness from a fabricated, edited and censured collection of primitive texts written by ignorant men. It is truly shameful!

Abortion is certainly deeply undesirable. And equally undesirable is the self-centred justifying waffle of the religious faithful.

[1turner22]

abortion is unholy we are all brought into this life the same way The bible says God is against child sacrafice and turned away from the Israelies when they were worshipping idols and sacraficing children...Jesus Christ our lord and savior was concieved the same way we are....

[OneEyedJack1970]

That last picture looks like Kali.

[EqualAndFree]

I obviously condemn child sacrifice but I don't understand how Christians can logically condemn it whilst basing their entire faith in their salvation upon the sacrifice of God's child. Surely the theology of atonement through this sacrifice is identical to the Canaanite theology of child sacrifice.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Jesus was a man when he was slain not a little baby or an unborn child.

[EqualAndFree]

I thought Jesus' father foresaw and permitted the sacrifice of his child and arranged for him to be born for that purpose.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son"

The parallel to the story of Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son Isaac is made very clear.

God also helps the Israelites sacrifice the children of other tribes:

Hosea 13:16 " they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Jesus, God and the holy spirit are one. You can't compare the sacrifice of a baby for no purpose but the worship of pagan gods and the sacrifice of Jesus as a man for the sins of the world. The death of these babies is not for the purpose of spreading a message of hope like the death of Jesus, but for selfish wicked needs.

Jesus died in human form but he is risen! Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:7.

If it wasn't for his resurrection the gospel wouldn't be valid.

[EqualAndFree]

You're not answering the real problem:

What good would the sacrifice of Isaac have achieved - and why?

What good did the death of the ram that Abraham burned instead achieve - and why?

Why did God want sacrifices of lambs?

What good did the death of all the Canaanite infants & unborn babies achieve - and why?

And, likewise, how could the death of the "Son of God" 2000 years ago possibly cancel out MY sins?

In all these examples how can the sacrifice of the INNOCENT "atone" for the guilty?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

That is what we call symbolism. Do you think that God randomly chose Issac? I don't think God chooses random people. Issac was capable of understanding God.

We had to sacrifice lambs and animals because the wages of sin is death but we don't have to do that anymore b/c Jesus was the Lamb.

"What good did the death of all the Canaanite infants & unborn babies achieve - and why?"

What did the death of all the babies during the time of Jesus' birth achieve? Thats life.

[EqualAndFree]

Are the wages of MY sins someone ELSE'S Death? If God is angry with ME is he made happy again by the death of something else? HOW could the death of a lamb or the death of Jesus achieve anything good for anyone else? It all seems random, irrational and unjust. Does God not care about justice? Is he simply satisfied with the blood of anyone or anything as long as it is innocent? If I fear punishment for a sin could I kill my dog or my son to appease God? Would the wages of my sin have been paid?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

...No angel...no "saint", no good humanitarian could have died for everyones sins b/c humans are sinful. When God called for sacrifice he said bring me a the best w/o spot or blemish.

We are nothing but spots and blemishes. Jesus made it possible for man to be saved. He deeply cared about us. Why did you think he walked this earth instead of just dying as a child or baby? That is a God who wanted to and did touch his people.

[EqualAndFree]

Surely a fetus or unborn child is "w/o spot or blemish" - it has certainly had no chance to harm anyone. Wouldn't God therefore count an abortion as atonement for my sins?

[EqualAndFree]

The reason you're finding it so difficult to give logical answers to my questions is because the Christian concept of Atonement, the Jewish tradition of animal sacrifice and the Canaanite tradition of child sacrifice all share the same roots. The Canaanites sacrificed children because children were seen as "w/o spot or blemish". All these religions - Jewish, Christian & Canaanite - come from an ancient belief in an angry god who can be appeased if he's allowed to drink the blood of the innocent.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Satan will take anything that is sacred and pure and pervert it. Marriage, sex, Birth/life, the Bible itself...nothing is excluded from perversion.

It is especially Satans delight to pervert the sacrifice of Jesus Christ b/c if he can make Jesus' death of on the cross as common as the death of any other man he can prevent people from accepting the gift God has given.

Don't you see how everything is backwards? Others take from God can twist it...not God from others.

[EqualAndFree]

ladyEulaelie - You've STILL provided absolutely no explanation at all about how or why the sacrificial death of either a lamb or of Jesus could benefit anyone. Why can't people be helped WITHOUT such death?

Is God UNWILLING to help people unless blood is first shed for Him?

Is God UNABLE to help people unless blood is first shed for Him?

Does God REQUIRE blood in payment for sin but not care WHOSE blood?

None of those three explanations seem to make sense. Do you have a better explanation?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

I explained in GREAT detail...I guess that wasn't good enough.

"How can people benefit from the death of Jesus?"

When Adam and Eve sinned in Eden they were thrown out b/c their sin separated them from God. Adam and EVen and their descendants (all ppl are born w/ a sinful nature) can not go back w/ God b/c their sin separates them from God.

Let me explain why sin separated them from God. God didn't create any living thing to die. God may choose as he wishes...but

cont.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

cont...

...he will not allow for sin to exist in heave forever and ever. He did allow the devil to tempt Adam and Eve to test them.

After this life, if we wish to spend eternity w/ God we must be redeemed. Who then can redeem us? We can't redeem ourselves b/c that would be like entering a drawing to win a car...going to collect our prize only to find that if we give must give a car to get the car and the car must be the same model & yr; and barely to never used.

cont.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

cont..

How many people would be enthusiastic about that drawing?

Who would trade in a brand new care bought that morning still in ment condition for the exact same car...color and all? That is not much for redeeming a prize.

Redeem means to gain or regain possession of (something) in exchange for payment. See, only Jesus can enter but he can't be redeemed b/c he is not gaining salvation; he already has it.

cont.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

cont.

figuratively, we don't have that "new car" to trade off, so we can't enter that drawing.

(sorry, not a good analogy. I could have said if a company goes door to door offering everyone a new if they had a new car that fit their exact description.)

THe only 1 that is w/o spot or blemish that walked this earth was Jesus so only he was perfect that he could die for the sins of man.

In Christianity, Jesus died for the sins of ALL not just for the sins of believers.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

God is WILLING to help ppl b/c he came down and shedd his blood for them.

He is also WILLING to help ppl who do as he is asking them...we can be pig headed but God still loves us which is why he bore the gruesome death for us pig heads.

God is ABLE to help ppl when he died on the cross b/c of his power and authority & God is ABLE to redeem us by HIS blood b/c of his dominion over sin.

It was prophsied for hundreds, of years that the messiah was coming & he did.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

"Does God REQUIRE blood in payment for sin but not care WHOSE blood?"

My dear...everywhere in the Bible God has set out what he wants as a requirement. People couldn't have sacrificed just anything...their sacrifice had to be the best representation of CHrist. They couldn't bring a lame animal.

We don't have to sacrifice lambs etc...b/c Jesus WAS and IS the Lamb that was slain. But he has risen...Luke 24:6

[EqualAndFree]

I suspect you CAN'T answer the question.

EXPLAIN LOGICALLY how sacrificing a lamb or sacrificing Jesus could possibly achieve anything that couldn't have been achieved WITHOUT these sacrifices. I'm willing to be open-minded and to listen to a clear explanation - but surely "Jesus is the Lamb who was slain to save us" is an utterly and totally meaningless sentence. Are ordinary people MEANT to find any sense at all in that statement? If you're called upon to spread the Word then have a go...

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

You must be able to think deep & apply logic. If you can tell me why come God didn't just let Adam and Eve live for ever and ever after they sinned then you would have your answer...

God has to follow the order of things according to the way Adam and EVe responded to their choice to commit sin. God does this not b/c he doesn't have power...but b/c he loved Adam and Eve and if God were to over ride it all...that would be saying that God is a liar. THink deeper.

[EqualAndFree]

1. Before A&E ate the fruit they didn't know what was good or what was evil.

2. You can't be guilty of doing something wrong unless you know it's wrong.

3. How could they know it was wrong to eat the fruit BEFORE they had that knowledge?

4. What is wrong anyway in knowledge of good and evil? Jesus and Moses taught good and evil. Was that a sinful thing to do?

5. Even though eating it was an innocent error God punishes not just them but all their unborn descendants. Where's the justice in that?

[EqualAndFree]

Who told the truth about the Tree?

God said "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for on the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". - But they didn't die that day or even that year. Apparently Adam lived until he was 930 years old.

The serpent said "Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" -Apparently that's just what happened.

[EqualAndFree]

But let's ignore all those logical problems. If Adam and Eve did something wrong then logically they should have been asked to undo the damage or apologize or accept a punishment. How could the death of an innocent lamb or the death of Jesus solve Adam and Eve's problem? It's not logical.

And what has the action of Adam and Eve got to do with me? Guilt and blame don't get passed on to children. I'm guilty of things I do wrong. I'm not guilty or to blame for what my parents or grandparents did.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

"Jesus is the Lamb who was slain to save us" is an utterly and totally meaningless sentence."

Dear...This is the key. If you are not able to think symbolically then you are trouble when trying to understand it all.

[EqualAndFree]

OK. Let's assume this is symbolic and not literal.

What does it mean to say that Jesus or Abraham's lamb was "symbolically" slain rather than really slain? Does that make more sense than it really happening?

Or do you mean that as a result we are "symbolically" saved rather than really saved? Does that help it to make more sense?

How does "thinking symbolically" help to make sense of the sentence?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Baby steps...

When God created Adam (A) and Eve (E), his intent was that they live forever and that the good of his hands would never cease or end in death. However A & E were built with the ability to love. A person can not love if they are not given choice to love. They both decided to sin and as a result God had to banish them from heave b/c their sin separated them from God. <------ What can I do to help you understand this part?

cont.

[EqualAndFree]

You say that A&E were "built with the ability to love". But logically they can't have been because until they ate the fruit they didn't know good from evil - so they could have neither loved nor hated. They would just have had the minds of babies with no moral understanding or meaningful emotions at all. It was eating the fruit that enabled them to know good from evil. Only then were they able to make moral choices. But by then it was too late and they were already doomed to be punished.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

God doesn't want to be separated from us. God could have said eh, lets just talk this over some apples & Fuhgeddabouddit, however the rules and order of life apply to everything. Ppl make the decision every day to not even recognize him. God wanted us to follow him in this life and join him after this life. He could have just let us die and their would be no salvation but God wanted to send his son for salvation for us.<------what can I do to help you understand this part?

[EqualAndFree]

If God wanted us to "recognize him" why would he deliberately make himself invisible (and not even leave a giant footprint or carve his name on the moon as a clue) then punish us for not believing he exists? Isn't that an odd way to behave?

If he wanted to save Adam and Eve he could have sent them a message about how to behave. He didn't. Jesus only came thousands of years later. A message from Jesus might be useful - but HOW could his sacrificial DEATH help us? That's what you don't explain.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

What is your question?

You may not agree with my answer but none-the less it is an answer.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

"God also helps the Israelites sacrifice the children of other tribes"

Hosea 13:16 .... Samaria abandon God. Why is it that people expect God to shield them and protect them when they keep running away from the armor of God?

God has his way of dealing with us. You don't like it? Talk to him about it...even Joacb wrestled God.

Hosea 13:16 and other passages in the Bible are accounts of history of nations and people. Just b/c its in the Bible doesn't mean God condones it.

[EqualAndFree]

This killing of babies is clearly not just an account of historical crimes. It is clearly written as if it was the will of God. Psalm 137:9 even says "Blessed shall he be who takes your little infants and dashes them against the rock!". Blessed by whom? Surely this means blessed by God for doing as God wishes. Why did God wish to bless the killing of babies?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

part 1

THis is a misinterpretation of Psalm 137:9

To understand this verse you must look at the whole entire chapter...its a poem. If you take a line from a poem, it could mean a range of things.  Context is your friend.

This chapter is about the the Israelites weeping b/c they are sorrowful about being held captive and being treated harshly by the Babylonians. They are not just sad about being captives but they are angry & in verse 8 it says...

cont....

[EqualAndFree]

It's a Psalm - a song to God. You don't put things in Psalms that you're ashamed of and think are against the will of God. Clearly they believed that this killing of infants by them accorded with the will of God. Can't you see the problem.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Its a poem of figurative language. Obviously verse 9 would not be a blessing but a curse. There are so many other verse in the Bible of actual worship of Moloch where the nota of worship is baby sacrifice. THis is not condoned by God. God doesn't call for this type of behavior in worship of himself. These are rituals of worship to false idols in which God hates... "They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this." 2 Kings 17:12

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Doesn't God see the inner workings of our heart? What good would it do to conceal our true feelings from the Lord even when they are not squeaky clean emotions? The Bible is not free from the expression of anger, lust, depression and sorrow...it keeps it 100% real. If you read 1/3 of the psalms, you will notice a theme of cries for help against conflicting groups. These songs reveal anger even unto God. They sometimes, disclose a sense of abandonment from God. 100% honesty.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

part 2

....O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed;

happy shall he be, that rewaredth thee

as the has severed us.

Verse 9: Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Do you get it now? THis is an account of the anger of slaves against their cruel masters.

They were angery...thats life and its in the Bible. I'm so glade you know how what this verse means, now you can go and tell someone else.

You want to know what God blessed?

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

part 3

God said blessed are the poor in spirit. God said blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. God said he would blessed the meek, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, those who are merciful, pure in heart, and peacemakers. - Matthew 5.

I believe God has aborted babies also in his heart when he says blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

[EqualAndFree]

Why don't you ever answer a simple question with a simple and relevant answer? Why, when I ask how the sacrificial death of Jesus helps us, do I get an "answer" with nothing but quotes about Adam & Eve. Then, when I ask about that, I get quotes from the Sermon on the Mount that are also nothing to do with child sacrifice. "Explaining" one verse by reference to another equally obscure and unrelated one doesn't help. Just give a rational explanation in plain English without using any more verses.

[ladyEulaelie]

@EqualAndFree

Ask a local pastor or ministerto help you b/c either you don't want an answer, which is most atheist (I don't want to ever suggest that about you...*cought*), or I'm just being confusing or you just really are having a hard time understanding symbolism.

[EqualAndFree]

One error in your notes: Modern archeologists believe that Asherah was the wife of Yahweh and that both were part of an ancient pantheon of gods that also included Baal.

[jcr4runner]

This makes no sense unless you accept the debunked documentary hypothesis.

[EqualAndFree]

Biblical accounts of the death of Jesus are all consistent with the concept of atonement through the ritual blood sacrifice of the Son of God. E.g. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son" (John 3:16). They contain repeated references to Abraham and Isaac and the sacrifice of the firstborn lamb. The story of Cain and Abel indicates that traditionally blood sacrifices were seen as superior to other ones. Abraham behavior shows that child sacrifice was tolerated, not banned.

[jacob7207]

Child Sacrifices and adoption services, that's all you need.

[Cablerz]

God sacrificed himself, Jesus is God in the flesh, with the title of Son because of the manner He was born. John 1:1

Let God be true and man a lier. Who are we to contest what God says of does? Human sacrifice to a "god" is detestable. No one sacrifice their child to the God of the universe and earth, Jesus Christ.

[EqualAndFree]

"God gave his only son" - surely that was a child sacrifice if anything was!

[oldfartrants]

Why don't you just show exactly where in the Bible it says SPECIFICALLY that abortion is wrong.

You can't, because it isn't there! If it was, your video would be about 15 seconds long.

Exodus 21 verses 22 - 25 is the only reference in the Bible that is even remotely related to the subject of abortion, i.e. losing an unborn infant - and it says specifically that the value of an unborn life is less than that of the mother. To quote the great religious leader Sarah Palin, "quit makin' things up!"

[EqualAndFree]

1. Didn't God ask Abraham to perform a ritual child sacrifice?

2. Isn't the story of Abraham an indication that atonement through child sacrifice was an early Judaic tradition?

3. Wasn't the ritual sacrifice of newborn lambs a substitute for earlier child sacrifices?

4. Wasn't the sacrifice of Jesus (the 'Lamb of God') a ritual child sacrifice?

5. In Numbers 5:11-21 why does God advise Moses on the method to be used to abort illegitimate children?

[sil2222]

@equal and free what book are you reading from? i just read the passage you posted and it does not describe how to abort it describes how God himself would judge a wife who commits adultery it does not say the priest will abort the fetus please keep your delusion to yourself and read the bible as it is written not how you want it to read.i hate when people have to bend truth to fit their needs God sees you how you add to the word according to your spirit not the Spirit of truth which is God

[joman30]

Actually:

1) God prevented Abraham from performing ritual child sacrifice. (Genesis 22:12)

2) The story of Abraham is an indication that atonement through child sacrifice is not God's desire.

3) The ritual sacrifice of newborn lambs was demonstrated in the earliest accounts of Genesis by Adam's son Abel as he offered up the firstlings of his flock (Long before any mention of God detested pagan child sacrifice).

[EqualAndFree]

1. 'God' only prevented Abraham from carrying out the sacrifice after getting confirmation that Abraham would have done it. Abraham believed in the child sacrifice tradition or else he would not have made the preparations to sacrifice his son.

2. The concept of atonement through ritual sacrifice is found throughout the Bible. Even the crucifixion is represented as a ritual sacrifice of an only son through which atonement is achieved.

3. I'm referring to real history, not biblical history.

[joman30]

1) Unlike his father, Abraham believed not in the tradition of child sacrifice, but rather in total obedience to his God.

2) The concept of atonement through ritual sacrifice of ones own child is clearly dubbed detestable by the Lord throughout the bible.

[joman30]

3) There has not ever been a more scrutinized historical document than the the Bible. It continues to stand firm not only as a spiritual guide for humankind, but as a reliable and accurate historical reference, despite centuries of efforts by Principalities & powers of this world to thwart its presence. Many people have given their lives in order to advance the communication of God's word in all parts of the world and it continues to be further verified with numerous archeological finds.

[joman30]

4) For those of us that know what it means to value our children as precious, it's not hard to understand the depth of God's love for us. He was willing to allow his only son to endure punishment inflicted by our race so that the penalty for our sins could be paid at his expense so that we may have the opportunity to live with our creator (& Son) for eternity. God's word clearly states his disdain for child sacrifice (Leviticus Chapters 18,20, First Kings 11, Second Kings 23, Jeremiah 32).

[EqualAndFree]

joman30 - that is absurd theological gymnastics. How could the penalty for the sins of guilty people be "paid for" through the life of an innocent person? Could I 'atone' for my sins by killing MY child? Those who try to explain the death of Jesus using the concept of atonement forget that atonement derived from the ancient ritual of child sacrifice (and subsequently animal sacrifice). The idea that the guilty can 'appease' God by feeding him the blood of the innocent is a prehistoric barbarity.

[joman30]

God did not atone for his sins (he has none). He atoned for Yours. (Whether you choose to believe it or not). He did not kill his son. We did. The guilty can not 'appease' God by offering anything. So you are absolutely right in saying that the idea of such is 'barbarity'. Sacrifice of ones children is detestable by the Lord. And thanks for the compliment by the way.

[EqualAndFree]

You have not escaped the problem of relying on the concept of atonement. However you explain it the sins of one person end up being 'forgiven' by the death of another person. The parallels between the Crucifixion and Abraham's uncompleted human sacrifice and his completed Lamb sacrifice are explicitly highlighted in the Bible itself. That's why Jesus is referred as the "Lamb of God". Somehow God appears to be 'satisfied' by the spilling of blood even if it is someone else's.

[joman30]

Sometimes it is hard to see the forest on account of all the trees, I know. You are thinking of atonement in terms of reparation for a wrong or injury, but in fact God's atonement (at one + ment) is for the reconciliation of his human creation back to himself. i.e., He created You, He loves you, sin has taken you away, He wants you back. The only way for there to be reconciliation is through the death burial and resurrection of his Son. Sin was not God's idea, but Satan's.

God Bless

[EqualAndFree]

I'm trying to trace the history of the Biblical concept of atonement.

I've reread Genesis 22, including: "God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering". This would make no sense unless Abraham was familiar with a tradition of child sacrifice - which was widespread in Canaanite / Philistine religion (continued)

[EqualAndFree]

... Neighboring tribes would likewise sacrifice a firstborn male child or lamb to Ba'al or Moloch or other gods. Exodus 13:2 says: "Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether man or animal." Abraham sacrifices a ram instead of a child. What does this achieve? Leviticus repeatedly refers to "a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the Lord". Does feeding the child or lamb to God appease His wrath?

[EqualAndFree]

In both the case of the child sacrifice and of the lamb sacrifice there appears to be an understanding in all the tribal religions of the region that you can atone for your sins through the sacrifice of an innocent - either a child or a lamb. Either sin is transferable to the innocent or God demands blood but it doesn't matter whose.

When we come to the death of Jesus there is repeated reference to 'atonement' through the sacrifice of the innocent son / lamb. How does this get us off the hook?

[EqualAndFree]

Saying "The only way for there to be reconciliation is through the death burial and resurrection of his Son" seems like saying that the only way I could be successfully reconciled with my estranged wife would be through the ritual sacrifice of my child. There seems to be no logical connection at all between the 'problem' and the 'solution'.

[joman30]

5) The passage you list in the book of Numbers makes absolutely no mention of children, illegitimate or otherwise.

[poplolcat]

isis and afodite were goddess do not insult those who worship them.

[sil2222]

@poplocat God himself will insult you for worshiping Satan the creature and not the Creator many will have the look of disbelief on the day of judgment your words are empty like your Gods and idols of stone. a stone cannot speak and it does what a stone can do for you nothing.

[poplolcat]

wicca is true the true light to peace some pagan culrures sacrofised animals( we are animals) there are many forms of paganism.

wicca is true

';';-'-;'-;-'-;-'-;'- only though witchcraft can you see the light';-';-'-;-';-'-;-'-;

praise the gods

praise witchcraft

bloodyhell this is low i mean every culture sacrofised at some point in history even you christans you sacrofied lambs, romans sacrofied bulls.

)O( hail witchcraft )O(

[sil2222]

@your true father is God almighty your only savior is Jesus Christ you are blinded by thirst for power and it will be your end. A proud voice will always be silent in the end and your chanting will be buried with Satan.

[1010bree]

the presidents have worshipped molech at cathedral grove california each summer

[sil2222]

Very true and this is why this country is entering judgment things get worse and worse as Gods wrath is released for the transgression of the leaders of America. We will all know the Lord in the end and all will bow and confess he was and is the king of kings

[abcdefghijklmnopq35]

any child concieved in abomination is a great doom to the nation.

[pianohbc]

will you please up load the rest- this is a valuable series- thank you

[irun26mi]

Thanks for uploading parts of this, it is interesting.