Holmes never was popular cause of his mouth,When he was going for Rocky Marcino's unbeaten record,he says Rocky couln't hold his jock strap ! When he fought Gerry Cooney,he played the race card,saying Cooney was only publicity cause he's white.Larry's a great fighter,but his mouth gets him very negitive publicity.
Larry Holmes makes a good point, but comprehensive ranking of boxers has to take into account all styles. If we sub-catagorize, as we probably should, Foreman is pretty high up above guys like Liston, Shavers, Weaver, Cooney, Ruddock etc.
Foreman at his best is the greatest heavyweight ever after Muhammad Ali. I rank him ahead of #3 Lennox Lewis because he never would have succumbed to McCall and Rahman like Lewis did. I disagree with Foreman's loss to Young: despite Young's two dominant rounds in R11 and R12, Foreman had too big of a lead (by my judging) to lose that fight. He deserved a narrow victory. I agree with Ali that Foreman was a rather artless boxer, but his power was like no other - simply awesome.
@musiclover59 i hav lewis ahead of foreman cuz foreman himself said ''even in my prime i couldnt have beaten lewis'' by the way i have lewis #1 all-time. its not popular 2 say ali's not the GOAT but holmes once said ''ali's the greatest, that's his opinion'' and i agree. lewis did hav 2 bad losses (lewis got caught by punches that prob KO evryone)but ali and foreman and jus about every great fighter in history has losses that make u scratch ur head. i def hav foreman top 5 thgh.
@jmgnyg I respect your opinion. Lewis at his best was awesome and, to judge GOAT, we should really judge the person at his best. Thanks for Foreman's quote re: Lewis: I didn't know he said that. I still think the 1960s Ali was the best, when his reflexes were so incredibly fast that he could barely be hit and his opponents didn't see his punches coming.
@combatesdeboxeo Your right !!! Foreman was a beast in his 40's . All those fighters you mentioned were SHOT by then . Not one of those fighters or any other fighter could have done what Foreman did . Foreman would have easily crushed all of them at the same age without a doubt
@MrJoelouisbarrow Who would you have as # 2 ? Just answer this , what other champ in any weight division being from light flyweight to heavyweight could win back the title 21 years 10 months and 14 days later ? I'll answer NO ONE !!!
@pfitzger2e1 i agree.... george foreman was a beast in his 40s, ali,louis,holmes, liston,frazier,tyson,holyfield all them were a joke in his late 30s, old foreman would kill all them in their respective late 30s like insects
holmes was owned by the skinny lhw spinks, foreman would kill literally spinks with a 1-2. and chuvalo... please chuvalo... a green foreman almost killed you. larry holmes never fought peak jimmy young and peak ron lyle in 1975-76 because he would lose, plain and simple, holmes sparred with lyle and he knew that lyle had a bad style for him(great right hand, good chin,heart,physical strength), jimmy young in 1976 would beat a green holmes.
Why so many of truly great boxers are so jelaous when it comes to discussing who's the better fighter? Foreman though is a nice dud, he even said that he wouldn't rank himself in top 20
@Soulblackman Holmes could'nt even OWN Ken Norton ? They fought 15rds to a close split decision . If you go by the last round to decide who won Norton should have . Foreman CRUSHED Norton ? Joe Frazier would of given Holmes HELL if they fought he broke Holmes ribs sparring . Foreman CRUSHED Frazier ? Ali moved and had a jab also ? But was forced to the ropes because Foreman was to great at cutting the ring off 40-0 37ko's ? Holmes ducked Foreman in 1976 ? Foreman 72-74 would OWN Holmes 78-80
Look that's just a natural rivalry between BIG ego's. No need to argue much here. I llke Bert Sugar, but I've seen his list for the All-Time Top 100..The man should give up making lists. LES DARCY not in the Top 100 ????.. he is losing the plot badly. Since when was Darcy not in the Top 70 or 40 even. Mike Gibbons ahead of Darcy ?? Just BAD... When a man who prides himself on boxing knowledge then forgets that Darcy ever existed, means he can't be taken too seriously. No space to explain further
Larry Shut up .....Foreman beat many a men. Frazier beat Ali who was the best mover - BUT PLEASE.......Foreman was great. Every 'loser' has excuses - so you too Chuvalo - Shut up.
@WizardOnAcid7 angelo was trying to tighten the ropes not loosen them its been well documented he didnt want ali against the ropes he wanted him circling and moving an was actually trying to tighten them
@MultiSpread i think that holmes could hop around and stay away for a while, but big george was very good at cutting the ring off. after that boxing lesson he got in zaire, there is no way he would repeat the same mistakes. eventually he would catch holmes and ko him. and in the power department big george is clearly superior.
Its bullshit that they say Larry Holmes and put on the bottom: 'Heavyweight Champion 1978-1983'.
That's bull, it was till 1985 and the only reason he lost his belt is because he was over the hill by that time, fighting a great fighter (Michael Spinks) who was fresh in his prime and 7 years younger than Holmes.
And he beat Spinks in the rematch as well, an amazing achievement, although they unjustly gave the decision to Spinks.
So what if Michael Spinks was Light Heavyweight? He was 7 years younger than Larry Holmes, the same distance as Ali and Holmes. And he didn't beat Holmes twice, just once. I saw the second fight. Larry Holmes dominated. It was close, but Larry won the fight and any unbiased viewer who sees it would know that.
And Larry doesn't take pride in beating Ali at all. He said after the match: "You cannot take credit from him".
Man he didn't only defend against Norton and Shavers. Against Norton, there was 2 factors. The first was that Norton was known to give boxers like Ali and Holmes, HELL. Secondly, he injured a muscle before the fight, but still the first reason is sufficient.
Again Shavers he dominated the first fight but the second fight was hell. Shavers peaked late man, like old Jersey Joe Walcott (RIP). That is obvious, cause his best fights were later.
And he did defend his title against some of the best contenders as well, like Gerry Cooney and Tim Witherspoon, both in their prime.
And he beat Ray Mercer in his prime and went the distance with a prime Evander Holyfield, almost matching him. All of this was done at 40+ years old. He is a great legendary fighter. Period!
@truebeliever786 Witherspoon and Cooney are no Norton or Shavers...or Foreman and Liston or Frazier etc....Holmes' career is overrated, was he good? Yes. Was he great? No. Got beat by a light heavy weight twice...I would give Holmes the benefit of the doubt on that, he was older but that still does not take away the fact that he lacked great fighters in his resume...
Bullshit. He was great and legendary. He's not overrated at all. He's extremely underrated.
And Cooney was a knockout artist, a power puncher. Yet Larry Holmes knocked him out. Holmes never ducked anyone and fought the top contenders, like Evangelista, Cooney, Witherspoon and heaps of others during their prime, during his 7 and a half year reign as champ. No one could take his title from him, until he became too old and even then he won the title back, although they robbed him.
And he didn't just fight Witherspoon and Cooney. He beat a prime Ray Mercer, when he was over 40 and Ray Mercer was a mad fighter. He went the distance with Evander Holyfield and did really well against him, during Holyfield's prime.
And he didn't get beat twice by a light heavy weight. Firstly Michael Spinks moved up to Heavy weight and increased weight. Secondly, Larry Holmes was old and thirdly, he beat him in the rematch, even though the judges robbed him of the decision.
Larry Holmes is very egotistical, but to me, I'd say Holmes is completely justified in thinking that he is the Greatest Boxer of all time, cause he proved his greatness by holding that belt for 7 and a half years against the best of that era. He had 48 consecutive victories, one less than Marciano's 49.
I'd put Larry Holmes at #3 or #4. I'd put George Foreman at #5.
Larry Holmes has to be the most underrated fighter ever. Its bullshit, some dumbasses don't even put him in top 10. They're dumb.
Larry Holmes always comes down as a grumpy old man. I understand why HE doesn´t sell any grills. He knows how much money he would have gotten from that fight, and he seems to have cried every day since it didn´t happen. I am sorry Larry, you were once great in the ring but your statements that Foreman only could win against one kind of fighters isn´t true. Look at your own fantastic opponents between 78-85 instead. More bums have never entered the ring for a chance to get the title.
@warrkrymez I admire him because he is a great fighter . He is the strongest and most powerful of all HW champs . I believe with his style he is simple invincible in a slugfest toe to toe . Foreman did something no other fighter could ever do . Win back the title at that long a time span .Foreman is very UNDERRATED if anything . Holmes is jealous because he knows he could'nt do the same thing and DUCKED him in 1976 . Having Foreman at # 8 means 7 other HW champs were greater ? Just not possible
@Rockyfan10060 OVERRATED ? Who won HW boxing gold at 68 olympics ? Who had the highest ko% of all HW champs with a record of 40-0 with 37 ko's for a 92.5 ko% ? Who had the longest span between titles of 21 years 10 months and 14 days ? Who has 46 ko's inside 3 rds ? Who has the biggest age gap in fighting for title ? Who still had the highest ko% at age 46 ? Who's the oldest champ ? Who's the richest boxer ever ? Holmes is just jealous because Foreman is greater . Foreman # 3 at WORST maybe # 2
@pfitzger2e1 There is no way you can say that George was the 3rd or second greatest fighter of all time because there are a handful of amazing fighters who have better records than george and also had things that George did not, like stamina. George is still one of the greatests though.
@pfitzger2e1 i agree 100%, larry holmes was a great fighter but he is a fucking idiot, he said " foreman could not beat tommy morrison", dear holmes, morrison ran from a old man, morrison did change his style to face foreman , he ran like a chicken and he was a puncher, dear holmes, george foreman won the title in his 40s , you never did, dear holmes, mike tyson avoided george foreman like the pest but he absolutely destroyed you. dear holmes you lost against the bum mccall
@pfitzger2e1 dear holmes, foreman fought much better against a better version of holyfield in 1991, dear holmes, george foreman destroyed a 29 years old undefeated smokin joe frazier in 2 rounds like a rag doll(frazier would kick your ass), foreman killed a prime kenny norton in 2 rounds like a rag doll, old norton gave to prime holmes the hell(did holmes even win this fight?), prime norton 73-74 would beat holmes 78. dear larry, george foreman is greater than you
@Rockyfan10060 Foreman probably had more stamina when he returned a second time. He KO'ed Moorer lin the late rounds,and he went the distance with Morrison, Holyfield when he was old and fat.Foreman's a puncher plain and simple.He always had a puncher's chance but skill wise he wasnt the best boxer. He just beat you on brute strength. If a fighter's chin could hold up to his bombs and his face didnt swell upthen he may have had a chance. Most opponents wilted under them heavy barrage of punches.
@Rockyfan10060 Foreman probably had more stamina when he returned a second time. He KO'ed Moorer lin the late rounds,and he went the distance with Morrison, Holyfield when he was old and fat.Foreman's a puncher plain and simple.He always had a puncher's chance but skill wise he wasnt the best boxer. He just beat you on brute strength. If a fighter's chin could hold up to his bombs and his face didnt swell upthen he may have had a chance.Most opponents wilted under them heavy barrage of punches.
the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived., the very best Foreman I ever saw would have defeated the very best Holmes I ever saw. However, I think the post-Ali version of Foreman would have been decisioned by Holmes" END OF THE HISTORY
@combatesdeboxeo yea foreman had troubles in life,so does everyone else, big deal..he is no worse or better off than anybody else. if he cant handle a single loss, without retiring his depressed ass, he certainly dont belong in top 5. fact is he had two title defenses and thats it. you cant be top five based on that. fact is, each time he met a good boxer, he got outboxed and his punching power would never be a force.fact is, larry woulda outboxed him badly, and perhaps stopped him like ali did
@BringerOfTheTruth i disagree completly, ali had much more stamina than holmes, ali had much better chin and ali was better boxer than holmes was ever.
holmes was not nearly ali. really in my opinion prime foreman 1973 would absolutely destroy larry holmes, holmes would outbox foreman76-77. but he would win by ud, not by ko.
Holmes got knocked down by Earnie Shavers..that punch would have koed 99% of all HW.So his chin was good enough. Ali didnt even NEED his chin against Foreman, neither would Holmes. And better stamina ? I dont know, Holmes had excellent stamina, he was tired in some of his fights, but never to the point that he still couldnt fight and win.
Maybe Foreman would "destroy" him in 73, though i doubt it, so what ? holmes would destroy him any other time. Holmes prime wasnt limited to a single year.
@BringerOfTheTruth old foreman destroyed gerry cooney ( who gave to prime holmes the hell), old foreman destroyed bert cooper (this man did hurt holyfield), old foreman was stolen against shannon briggs(and george was a grand father), morrison ran during all fight to survive,old foreman knocked michael moorer out(this man did beat holyfield). old foreman faced prime holyfield. but you are saying he faced bums? please stops to talk nonsense
foreman destroyed frazier and prime norton in 2 rounds, he did beat chuvalo,goyo peralta,ron lyle.. past prime norton gave to prime holmes the hell, joe frazier dominated holmes always(they were sparring partners, and past prime joe broke to prime holmes 2 ribs).7larry holmes did "defend" his belt against tomato cans as weaver,witherspoon, smith,berbick,past prime norton,past prime shavers,gerry cooney... and all them gave the hell to the best holmes.holmes avoided young and lyle
If you need a goat to blame for never seeing Foreman-Holmes, blame Holmes’ management and Don King for doing the right thing by Holmes, because Larry Holmes was nowhere close to being ready for George Foreman in 1976, despite Clancy messing Foreman up. "
@BringerOfTheTruth In a head to head matchup between Frazier and Holmes at their peak, most observers are split on who would have won. Holmes is usually ranked above Frazier because of the 20 consecutive title defenses he made over his seven year reign as champ. That leaves Foreman. Because of the power Foreman still possessed during his comeback, which resulted in some impressive knockouts, not to mention that he won the title from the lineal champ and Holmes didn't,
@BringerOfTheTruth Foreman's comeback is viewed as being more successful than Holmes’ was. That’s why Holmes wants the Foreman name on his record. He believes since Foreman is only 11 months older than he is, beating him now means he would have beat him when both were at their peak
@BringerOfTheTruth Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived
@BringerOfTheTruth Remember, Ali didn't beat Foreman by boxing him, and I don't think Holmes could have either. Ali had to endure a helluva beating to the head and body before he could take advantage of a spent George Foreman. After losing to Ali,
@BringerOfTheTruth So from my perspective, the very best Foreman I ever saw would have defeated the very best Holmes I ever saw. However, I think the post-Ali version of Foreman would have been decisioned by Holmes"
LARRY HOLMES HAD A BAD STYLE FOR FOREMAN, BUT STILL FOREMAN WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE OF HIS PUNCHING POWER, BECAUSE HOLMES ACCEPTED THE EXCHANGE OF BLOWS. AND FOREMAN WOULD STOP MARCIANO IN 2 ROUNDS, FOREMAN WOULD PROBABLY KNOCK JOE LOUIS OUT, FOREMAN WOULD KO PRIME TYSON, FOREMAN DESTROYED JOE FRAZIER, I THINK ALL THESE GUYS WOULD BEAT HOLMES. FOREMAN IS ON HOLMES IN THE HISTORY NO DOUBT ON THAT
George Foreman never held on to the title for long...and I think even if Muhammad Ali hadnt been around, another slick boxer would quickly expose him. Just like Jimmy Young did. Larry is right, GF would ko anyone standing in front of him, but could lose to boxers. Larry Holmes didnt have such vulnerability, he could fight against any style, and win. That's why he should be ranked higher than GF. Still, GF is in top #8.
Foreman would have sent Tyson into orbit the same way he did Joe Frazier. Tyson would never have gotten inside Foreman's reach and he certainly wasn't tall enough to bite his ears.
"Remember, Ali didn't beat Foreman by boxing him, and I don't think Holmes could have either. Ali had to endure a helluva beating to the head and body before he could take advantage of a spent George Foreman. After losing to Ali, Foreman doubted his stamina and was finished emotionally. This led to the measured style he fought under the tutelage of Gil Clancy. And that's why he lost to Jimmy Young. Had the Zaire version of Foreman fought Young, Foreman would have won inside three rounds."
"Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived."
"If you need a goat to blame for never seeing Foreman-Holmes, blame Holmes’ management and Don King for doing the right thing by Holmes, because Larry Holmes was nowhere close to being ready for George Foreman in 1976, despite Clancy messing Foreman up. You can also blame Jimmy Young. In fact, you can also blame Young for being the reason why we never saw Ali-Foreman II. Had Foreman defeated Young, we would have seen him fight Ali in September of 1977, instead of Ali fighting Shavers."
Remember, Mike Tyson in his prime had supreme boxing skills, which included speed, stamina and superb punching power. He trained under one of the best boxing trainers in Cus'D Amato. He would have hurt Foreman and a bunch of others if he kept the trainers that got him to that level. Once he fired them, that was the end.
@lumpagogo you good in boxing man except holmes beat norton for the title in 78 holmes records 50 wins 3 losses and that was when he was past his prime against tyson holyfield and spinks dont try to add imaginary losses
you know.. this is an interesting match.. I would think that Foreman could land a big power shot. But if Holmes used his boxing stance and kept on jabbing and mixing it up with right corsses then I would think that Holmes would win if he stuck with his game plan. If Holmes stuck with it then it would be a UD for him easy.
lmao people saying tyson will beat ali, tyson couldnt even beat holyfield and lewis. ali is #3 in my list p4p all time, behind armstrong and robinson. tyson wont even make it through joe louis.
@consta4891, lol, consta again, Holmes would have punished Foreman. Foreman would have been eating Holmes jabs all night long. You know nothing about boxing consta. Only the great Tyson was able to punish Holmes with three knockdowns in one round for the TKO. Foreman is not even close to Tyson.
Holmes was 38 when he got beaten by Tyson, 38 years old. Tyson couldn't last 12 rounds with Holyfield with two attempts - Foreman at 42 years old lasted 12 rounds with Holyfield.
Tyson would have punished Foreman? Nonsense. Tyson had 4 great years - how can you possibly claim Tyson to be the greatest fighter of all time with only 4 great years... I'll tell you how - but not knowing anything about boxing.
Larry Holmes - most underrated Heavyweight of all time, I personally rate him as the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all time behind Ali, Louis and FOREMAN and just about Lewis.
Listen Guys Larry Holmes But Experts Has Been Said To Possibly Be Better Than Ali, Now Why Didn't People Take To Him?
You Seen It, He Treats His Losses And Carrera Is Diffrent Ways To Himself His Attitude Towards Boxing Is Poor 48-0 And Thats Why, 48-0 Made His Ego So Big He Believed He Beat Someone Without Really Trying Because He Took It For Granteed And Cried Like A Baby Since And Called Out Foreman Who Had Sucessfull Comeback Unlike His Own
Shavers was probably the hardest puncher in history..if Larry could take Shaver's puncher's then he would have taken Lyle's punches...Holmes Fought Norton,Cooney,Witherspoon,Tyson,Mercer...,i doubt he would avoid Lyle,Holmes avoided nobody..
Foreman lost to Jimmy Young....,i somehow cant see Holmes losing to him....
Look They are both great fighter's..i love Foreman but dont disrespect the Great and very underrated Holmes by saying he would be destroyed by Foreman...
Nobody destroyed a prime Holmes...A faded Ali beat Foreman....,Holmes was the closest to Ali in terms of style....im not saying Foreman couldn't have won but he wouldnt have destroyed holmes
i would have loved to have seen george foreman vs larry holmes...two all time great's...i think holmes would have beat george on points any time in their life....
I'm showing my age a bit here, but.... I "suspect" that some of Larry's resentment of George is that they never fought. I remember when Larry won the title. The overwhelming sentiment - in the world - was that it wouldn't last. Nobody took him seriously as a champion, which is a shame. He was great! But, this was the end of an era that boxing has never -and may never see again. GREAT heavyweights all over the place. Holmes beat an old Ali, and survived against Shavers. He never fought George.
Cus D'mato once told Tyson that the only way Foreman could be beaten in his heyday was by a tall skillful fighter who could drain him of his power.Ali did exactly that but would Holmes have been able to withstand the onslaught like Ali.He took Shaver's best shot and made it through,and some say Shavers hit even harder than Foreman.
george foreman vs larry holmes 1972-1974 before ali george wins in ko within 5 if no ko within 5 larry holmes wins i predicted a ko round 4. they were the same age 22-24 1972-1974. larry holmes opted to wait to long to fight the top four at that time-ali,foreman,norton,frazier. he waited til 1978 when all four fightiners were just about gone, retired. a lesson from this don't wait boxers your prime years are from the ages of 21-27. dont wait, give it all you got dont duck and hide then jive .
What a fucking asshole. Larry moves? Shit. Foreman went up against Ali, and during the fucking minutes before the 2nd round Ali was just looking as if surprised, by Foremans' Determination. Larry aint a fuckin thing compared to Ali.
@warrkrymez holmes was 38 years old when he fought tyson and mike said in the post fight interview that holmes is a legendary fighter and that if he fought him in his prime that would have ben a different fight and tyson wasn't scared of foreman you can judge a bad performance for a fighter past his prime look man tyson was also 38 when he fought mc bride and he lost in his prime hewould have killed that dumb giant no question about that
@MrIronval Tyson WAS scared of Foreman, old Foreman we're talking here. Tyson totally dodged him. You need to check out some videos where in interviews he says he will not fight him even though Don King was pushing for it.
@warrkrymez bullshit if he was scared who would bum king would push him into fighting a guy that was potentially dangerous for mike oh right my bad for the money like king gives a fuck about anything else and old foreman couldnt beat holyfield or even the duke morrison so i dont see how he would have beat mike for that matter
@warrkrymez Tyson was not ducking Foreman are you insane ? Truth is, Foreman had done nothing to merit a title shot..he had been retired for 10 years, then after he had only beaten TOTAL BUMS... Not a single contender on the resume. Any good contender at the time woulda beaten him. You think he coulda handled Buster Douglas ? Tony Tucker ? Evander Holyfield ? oops we already know about that one lol.
@BringerOfTheTruth buster douglas? hahahaha old foreman 88-91 would smash douglas in 2 rounds, you must be joking.... tonny tucker would run during all fight to survive just like alext stewart did. prime foreman in 1973 would beat holyfield by tko, foreman would ko tyson,he would beat marciano by tko, he probably would ko joe louis. and all these guys would beat holmes.
Old foreman would not "smash" douglas or tucker any young fast boxer would beat him,thats why he avoided them all and stuck to bums.Holyfield beat him easy,so did morrison.Only win against good opposition was against moore.And that kind of fluke punch only happens one out of 100.So what you base this strange argument that foreman would smash everyone,i dont know.Each time he faced someone good he struggled, except against Frazier and norton . Any BOXER made him work, any slugger he could beat.
@combatesdeboxeo funny how you always say "prime foreman 73" What kind of shit boxer has a prime of one year ? Easy for you to make excuses for all his losses, since "he was not prime"..lol yea pretty hard for everyone to arrange a fight with him in his one minute of prime.
@BringerOfTheTruth prime foreman was 72-74, but the best foreman was in 1973 in my opinion, AND YOUR HERO TYSON AVOIDED OLD FOREMAN, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, THE BOXERS WERE BAD STYLE FOR GEORGE, BUT THE SHORT PUNCHERS WERE PERFECT FOR GEORGE.
ANY VERSION OF FOREMAN 70-74 88-91 WOULD KO TYSON, SIMPLY LIKE THAT. EVEN MORRISON WHO WAS A PUNCHER RAN DURING ALL FIGHT AGAINST GRANDFATHER FOREMAN. PRIME VS PRIME FOREMAN WOULD KO HOLMES AND FOREMAN 88 WAS BETTER THAN HOLMES 88.
@BringerOfTheT THE TYSON FANS SAYS ALWAYS THE TYPICAL BULLSHIT
"PRIME TYSON ... KEVIN ROONEY CUS DAMATO.. BLABLABLA" PRIME!!!! TYSON(24) LOST BY BRUTAL KO AGAINST THE BUM BUSTER DOUGLAS, END OF THE HISTORY, FOREMAN WAS DEPRESSED AND HE LOST BY UD AGAINST JIMMY YOUNG, A GREAT AND UNDERRATED BOXER(WHO WAS STOLEN AGAINST SHAVERS,ALI,NORTON AND LARRY HOLMES AVOIDED HIM!!! LARRY HOLMES AVOIDED RON LYLE TOO)
@BringerOfTheTruth OLD FOREMAN FOUGHT 12 ROUNDS AGAINST A PRIME LEGEND AS EVANDER HOLYFIELD , EVANDER SAID " NOBODY!!! DID HIT ME LIKE FOREMAN DID", TYSON COULD NOT EVEN FINISH THE FIGHT AGAINST PAST PRIME HOLYFIELD HAHA, PRIME FOREMAN WOULD OWN PRIME HOLYFIELD FOR SURE. TOO STRONG, TOO POWERFUL , TOO AGGRESSIVE. FOREMAN WOULD OWN HOLYFIELD JUST LIKE BOWE DID, BUT FOREMAN WAS STRONGER AND HARDER PUNCHER THAN BOWE AND GEORGE HAD MORE HEART
@BringerOfTheTruth "Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived"
Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived . AND I AGREE
. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived
The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82.
@MrIronval tyson avoided old foreman , because cus damato told tyson when he was an adolescent that the style of marciano,frazier,patterson,tyson.. would be a suicide against foreman
I would rate the all time great heavyweights as Ali, Louis, Marciano, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman, Johnson, Tunney, Frazier, Dempsey, Liston, Paterson & Norton. Thats my top 15 in order. Of course its open to debate but those guys are the cream of the crop. One things for sure. Larry Holmes was way better than Foreman.
Holmes never was popular cause of his mouth,When he was going for Rocky Marcino's unbeaten record,he says Rocky couln't hold his jock strap ! When he fought Gerry Cooney,he played the race card,saying Cooney was only publicity cause he's white.Larry's a great fighter,but his mouth gets him very negitive publicity.
wheatbull 3 weeks ago
holmes speaks perfect sense,foreman was a brute rather than a boxer
HENRYHOBBS1 3 weeks ago
C'mon Larry have some dignity, this is sad.
adrenacrumb 1 month ago
Holmes is just pissed they offered Foreman nearly 3 times as much for their fight, that's all that is.
adrenacrumb 1 month ago
Larry Holmes makes a good point, but comprehensive ranking of boxers has to take into account all styles. If we sub-catagorize, as we probably should, Foreman is pretty high up above guys like Liston, Shavers, Weaver, Cooney, Ruddock etc.
pilates68 2 months ago
Foreman at his best is the greatest heavyweight ever after Muhammad Ali. I rank him ahead of #3 Lennox Lewis because he never would have succumbed to McCall and Rahman like Lewis did. I disagree with Foreman's loss to Young: despite Young's two dominant rounds in R11 and R12, Foreman had too big of a lead (by my judging) to lose that fight. He deserved a narrow victory. I agree with Ali that Foreman was a rather artless boxer, but his power was like no other - simply awesome.
musiclover59 2 months ago
@musiclover59 i hav lewis ahead of foreman cuz foreman himself said ''even in my prime i couldnt have beaten lewis'' by the way i have lewis #1 all-time. its not popular 2 say ali's not the GOAT but holmes once said ''ali's the greatest, that's his opinion'' and i agree. lewis did hav 2 bad losses (lewis got caught by punches that prob KO evryone)but ali and foreman and jus about every great fighter in history has losses that make u scratch ur head. i def hav foreman top 5 thgh.
jmgnyg 2 weeks ago
@jmgnyg I respect your opinion. Lewis at his best was awesome and, to judge GOAT, we should really judge the person at his best. Thanks for Foreman's quote re: Lewis: I didn't know he said that. I still think the 1960s Ali was the best, when his reflexes were so incredibly fast that he could barely be hit and his opponents didn't see his punches coming.
musiclover59 1 week ago
@combatesdeboxeo Your right !!! Foreman was a beast in his 40's . All those fighters you mentioned were SHOT by then . Not one of those fighters or any other fighter could have done what Foreman did . Foreman would have easily crushed all of them at the same age without a doubt
pfitzger2e1 2 months ago
he did learn a few things in his age though
bojack335 2 months ago
funny enough, hes a little arrogant about it which is why youre angrybut i hav to agree with larry and he is a good analyst
bojack335 2 months ago
Holmes was a really journeyman boxer , he couldn't even k.o The old finished Ill Muhammad Ali.
TheAlevioglan 2 months ago
@combatesdeboxeo Thanks man !!! Holmes is just jealous because Foreman is the better fighter and richer also lol
pfitzger2e1 2 months ago
@MrJoelouisbarrow Who would you have as # 2 ? Just answer this , what other champ in any weight division being from light flyweight to heavyweight could win back the title 21 years 10 months and 14 days later ? I'll answer NO ONE !!!
pfitzger2e1 2 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 i agree.... george foreman was a beast in his 40s, ali,louis,holmes, liston,frazier,tyson,holyfield all them were a joke in his late 30s, old foreman would kill all them in their respective late 30s like insects
combatesdeboxeo 2 months ago
holmes was owned by the skinny lhw spinks, foreman would kill literally spinks with a 1-2. and chuvalo... please chuvalo... a green foreman almost killed you. larry holmes never fought peak jimmy young and peak ron lyle in 1975-76 because he would lose, plain and simple, holmes sparred with lyle and he knew that lyle had a bad style for him(great right hand, good chin,heart,physical strength), jimmy young in 1976 would beat a green holmes.
combatesdeboxeo 3 months ago
Why so many of truly great boxers are so jelaous when it comes to discussing who's the better fighter? Foreman though is a nice dud, he even said that he wouldn't rank himself in top 20
Mrlauris1982 3 months ago
What is Chuvalo talking about, Foreman would have killed him if they let that go on, he had already broken his nose.
adrenacrumb 3 months ago
@Soulblackman Holmes could'nt even OWN Ken Norton ? They fought 15rds to a close split decision . If you go by the last round to decide who won Norton should have . Foreman CRUSHED Norton ? Joe Frazier would of given Holmes HELL if they fought he broke Holmes ribs sparring . Foreman CRUSHED Frazier ? Ali moved and had a jab also ? But was forced to the ropes because Foreman was to great at cutting the ring off 40-0 37ko's ? Holmes ducked Foreman in 1976 ? Foreman 72-74 would OWN Holmes 78-80
pfitzger2e1 3 months ago
Big George the king of konck out.
kuluku 3 months ago
@WizardOnAcid7 George likes Larry. He said so a few weeks ago.
ph1484 4 months ago
What's this fool saying? Holmes has no class.
michaelyouth 5 months ago
ya big george was the hardest hitter in boxing his power is unmatched.
posi454 6 months ago
larry said "hit him with a left hook"....what left hook?....you mean that straight right...lol
DAV1EBOYEE510 6 months ago
Look that's just a natural rivalry between BIG ego's. No need to argue much here. I llke Bert Sugar, but I've seen his list for the All-Time Top 100..The man should give up making lists. LES DARCY not in the Top 100 ????.. he is losing the plot badly. Since when was Darcy not in the Top 70 or 40 even. Mike Gibbons ahead of Darcy ?? Just BAD... When a man who prides himself on boxing knowledge then forgets that Darcy ever existed, means he can't be taken too seriously. No space to explain further
gregluland 6 months ago
Larry Shut up .....Foreman beat many a men. Frazier beat Ali who was the best mover - BUT PLEASE.......Foreman was great. Every 'loser' has excuses - so you too Chuvalo - Shut up.
AIMANALI 7 months ago
one more thing what is this show called and where can i see the rest of it?
supernova09100 8 months ago
@WizardOnAcid7 angelo was trying to tighten the ropes not loosen them its been well documented he didnt want ali against the ropes he wanted him circling and moving an was actually trying to tighten them
supernova09100 8 months ago
larry holmes is a dick
pk550 8 months ago 2
Holmes would beat foreman. He could easily out box him.
MultiSpread 9 months ago
@MultiSpread i think that holmes could hop around and stay away for a while, but big george was very good at cutting the ring off. after that boxing lesson he got in zaire, there is no way he would repeat the same mistakes. eventually he would catch holmes and ko him. and in the power department big george is clearly superior.
cnh2132 7 months ago
Its bullshit that they say Larry Holmes and put on the bottom: 'Heavyweight Champion 1978-1983'.
That's bull, it was till 1985 and the only reason he lost his belt is because he was over the hill by that time, fighting a great fighter (Michael Spinks) who was fresh in his prime and 7 years younger than Holmes.
And he beat Spinks in the rematch as well, an amazing achievement, although they unjustly gave the decision to Spinks.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
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vladiator100 9 months ago
@vladiator100
So what if Michael Spinks was Light Heavyweight? He was 7 years younger than Larry Holmes, the same distance as Ali and Holmes. And he didn't beat Holmes twice, just once. I saw the second fight. Larry Holmes dominated. It was close, but Larry won the fight and any unbiased viewer who sees it would know that.
And Larry doesn't take pride in beating Ali at all. He said after the match: "You cannot take credit from him".
truebeliever786 8 months ago
@vladiator100
Man he didn't only defend against Norton and Shavers. Against Norton, there was 2 factors. The first was that Norton was known to give boxers like Ali and Holmes, HELL. Secondly, he injured a muscle before the fight, but still the first reason is sufficient.
Again Shavers he dominated the first fight but the second fight was hell. Shavers peaked late man, like old Jersey Joe Walcott (RIP). That is obvious, cause his best fights were later.
truebeliever786 8 months ago
@vladiator100
And he did defend his title against some of the best contenders as well, like Gerry Cooney and Tim Witherspoon, both in their prime.
And he beat Ray Mercer in his prime and went the distance with a prime Evander Holyfield, almost matching him. All of this was done at 40+ years old. He is a great legendary fighter. Period!
truebeliever786 8 months ago
@truebeliever786 Witherspoon and Cooney are no Norton or Shavers...or Foreman and Liston or Frazier etc....Holmes' career is overrated, was he good? Yes. Was he great? No. Got beat by a light heavy weight twice...I would give Holmes the benefit of the doubt on that, he was older but that still does not take away the fact that he lacked great fighters in his resume...
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@vladiator100
Bullshit. He was great and legendary. He's not overrated at all. He's extremely underrated.
And Cooney was a knockout artist, a power puncher. Yet Larry Holmes knocked him out. Holmes never ducked anyone and fought the top contenders, like Evangelista, Cooney, Witherspoon and heaps of others during their prime, during his 7 and a half year reign as champ. No one could take his title from him, until he became too old and even then he won the title back, although they robbed him.
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@vladiator100
And he didn't just fight Witherspoon and Cooney. He beat a prime Ray Mercer, when he was over 40 and Ray Mercer was a mad fighter. He went the distance with Evander Holyfield and did really well against him, during Holyfield's prime.
And he didn't get beat twice by a light heavy weight. Firstly Michael Spinks moved up to Heavy weight and increased weight. Secondly, Larry Holmes was old and thirdly, he beat him in the rematch, even though the judges robbed him of the decision.
truebeliever786 8 months ago
@truebeliever786
the fuck u talkin about.. he lost the rematch u fucking idiot
mjprimetime23 7 months ago
@mjprimetime23 No he didn't asshole, he won that. Look at the fight and then talk.
And George Foreman is higher than #8 as well, I'd put him at #6.
truebeliever786 7 months ago
Larry Holmes is very egotistical, but to me, I'd say Holmes is completely justified in thinking that he is the Greatest Boxer of all time, cause he proved his greatness by holding that belt for 7 and a half years against the best of that era. He had 48 consecutive victories, one less than Marciano's 49.
I'd put Larry Holmes at #3 or #4. I'd put George Foreman at #5.
Larry Holmes has to be the most underrated fighter ever. Its bullshit, some dumbasses don't even put him in top 10. They're dumb.
truebeliever786 9 months ago
hopkins matched it!
ghns1133 9 months ago
George Foreman is the BEST
stefanoBN 10 months ago
Larry Holmes always comes down as a grumpy old man. I understand why HE doesn´t sell any grills. He knows how much money he would have gotten from that fight, and he seems to have cried every day since it didn´t happen. I am sorry Larry, you were once great in the ring but your statements that Foreman only could win against one kind of fighters isn´t true. Look at your own fantastic opponents between 78-85 instead. More bums have never entered the ring for a chance to get the title.
drumtum 1 year ago
Where's the rest of this?
takky9298 1 year ago
@warrkrymez I admire him because he is a great fighter . He is the strongest and most powerful of all HW champs . I believe with his style he is simple invincible in a slugfest toe to toe . Foreman did something no other fighter could ever do . Win back the title at that long a time span .Foreman is very UNDERRATED if anything . Holmes is jealous because he knows he could'nt do the same thing and DUCKED him in 1976 . Having Foreman at # 8 means 7 other HW champs were greater ? Just not possible
pfitzger2e1 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 OVERRATED ? Who won HW boxing gold at 68 olympics ? Who had the highest ko% of all HW champs with a record of 40-0 with 37 ko's for a 92.5 ko% ? Who had the longest span between titles of 21 years 10 months and 14 days ? Who has 46 ko's inside 3 rds ? Who has the biggest age gap in fighting for title ? Who still had the highest ko% at age 46 ? Who's the oldest champ ? Who's the richest boxer ever ? Holmes is just jealous because Foreman is greater . Foreman # 3 at WORST maybe # 2
pfitzger2e1 1 year ago 16
@pfitzger2e1 "Big" was awesome. I hope you don't admire him 'cause you're a Christian.
warrkrymez 1 year ago
@pfitzger2e1 I agree at 200%
stefanoBN 10 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 There is no way you can say that George was the 3rd or second greatest fighter of all time because there are a handful of amazing fighters who have better records than george and also had things that George did not, like stamina. George is still one of the greatests though.
conanobrianvomit 8 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 Holmes would OWN Foreman. Holmes moved and he had a jab that would keep Foreman honest.
Soulblackman 3 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 2 are you kidding me ?
MrJoelouisbarrow 3 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 i agree 100%, larry holmes was a great fighter but he is a fucking idiot, he said " foreman could not beat tommy morrison", dear holmes, morrison ran from a old man, morrison did change his style to face foreman , he ran like a chicken and he was a puncher, dear holmes, george foreman won the title in his 40s , you never did, dear holmes, mike tyson avoided george foreman like the pest but he absolutely destroyed you. dear holmes you lost against the bum mccall
combatesdeboxeo 3 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 dear holmes, foreman fought much better against a better version of holyfield in 1991, dear holmes, george foreman destroyed a 29 years old undefeated smokin joe frazier in 2 rounds like a rag doll(frazier would kick your ass), foreman killed a prime kenny norton in 2 rounds like a rag doll, old norton gave to prime holmes the hell(did holmes even win this fight?), prime norton 73-74 would beat holmes 78. dear larry, george foreman is greater than you
combatesdeboxeo 3 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 I AGREE !
wheatbull 3 weeks ago
Foreman is very overrated. Holmes would probably beat him. He has no stamina and he is too predictable.
Rockyfan10060 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 Foreman probably had more stamina when he returned a second time. He KO'ed Moorer lin the late rounds,and he went the distance with Morrison, Holyfield when he was old and fat.Foreman's a puncher plain and simple.He always had a puncher's chance but skill wise he wasnt the best boxer. He just beat you on brute strength. If a fighter's chin could hold up to his bombs and his face didnt swell upthen he may have had a chance. Most opponents wilted under them heavy barrage of punches.
CanvassBlack 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 Foreman probably had more stamina when he returned a second time. He KO'ed Moorer lin the late rounds,and he went the distance with Morrison, Holyfield when he was old and fat.Foreman's a puncher plain and simple.He always had a puncher's chance but skill wise he wasnt the best boxer. He just beat you on brute strength. If a fighter's chin could hold up to his bombs and his face didnt swell upthen he may have had a chance.Most opponents wilted under them heavy barrage of punches.
CanvassBlack 1 year ago
i love ands respect all fighters and i know im nobody to judge, but i gotta get this off of my chest.
Larry holms is fuckin big hater!
makpak 1 year ago
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the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived., the very best Foreman I ever saw would have defeated the very best Holmes I ever saw. However, I think the post-Ali version of Foreman would have been decisioned by Holmes" END OF THE HISTORY
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@SkeksisBestSongEver no, in Larrys mind, Ali is #1.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
AND HOLMES IS TALKING NONSENSE, FOREMAN WAS DEPRESSED WHEN HE FACED YOUNG, FOREMAN WAS NOT THE SAME BOXER AFTER HE LOST AGAINST ALI.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@combatesdeboxeo yea foreman had troubles in life,so does everyone else, big deal..he is no worse or better off than anybody else. if he cant handle a single loss, without retiring his depressed ass, he certainly dont belong in top 5. fact is he had two title defenses and thats it. you cant be top five based on that. fact is, each time he met a good boxer, he got outboxed and his punching power would never be a force.fact is, larry woulda outboxed him badly, and perhaps stopped him like ali did
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth i disagree completly, ali had much more stamina than holmes, ali had much better chin and ali was better boxer than holmes was ever.
holmes was not nearly ali. really in my opinion prime foreman 1973 would absolutely destroy larry holmes, holmes would outbox foreman76-77. but he would win by ud, not by ko.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
Holmes got knocked down by Earnie Shavers..that punch would have koed 99% of all HW.So his chin was good enough. Ali didnt even NEED his chin against Foreman, neither would Holmes. And better stamina ? I dont know, Holmes had excellent stamina, he was tired in some of his fights, but never to the point that he still couldnt fight and win.
Maybe Foreman would "destroy" him in 73, though i doubt it, so what ? holmes would destroy him any other time. Holmes prime wasnt limited to a single year.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth old foreman destroyed gerry cooney ( who gave to prime holmes the hell), old foreman destroyed bert cooper (this man did hurt holyfield), old foreman was stolen against shannon briggs(and george was a grand father), morrison ran during all fight to survive,old foreman knocked michael moorer out(this man did beat holyfield). old foreman faced prime holyfield. but you are saying he faced bums? please stops to talk nonsense
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
foreman destroyed frazier and prime norton in 2 rounds, he did beat chuvalo,goyo peralta,ron lyle.. past prime norton gave to prime holmes the hell, joe frazier dominated holmes always(they were sparring partners, and past prime joe broke to prime holmes 2 ribs).7larry holmes did "defend" his belt against tomato cans as weaver,witherspoon, smith,berbick,past prime norton,past prime shavers,gerry cooney... and all them gave the hell to the best holmes.holmes avoided young and lyle
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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@BringerOfTheTruth i have a gift for you.
the article why we never saw foreman-holmes
If you need a goat to blame for never seeing Foreman-Holmes, blame Holmes’ management and Don King for doing the right thing by Holmes, because Larry Holmes was nowhere close to being ready for George Foreman in 1976, despite Clancy messing Foreman up. "
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth In a head to head matchup between Frazier and Holmes at their peak, most observers are split on who would have won. Holmes is usually ranked above Frazier because of the 20 consecutive title defenses he made over his seven year reign as champ. That leaves Foreman. Because of the power Foreman still possessed during his comeback, which resulted in some impressive knockouts, not to mention that he won the title from the lineal champ and Holmes didn't,
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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@BringerOfTheTruth Foreman's comeback is viewed as being more successful than Holmes’ was. That’s why Holmes wants the Foreman name on his record. He believes since Foreman is only 11 months older than he is, beating him now means he would have beat him when both were at their peak
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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@BringerOfTheTruth Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth Remember, Ali didn't beat Foreman by boxing him, and I don't think Holmes could have either. Ali had to endure a helluva beating to the head and body before he could take advantage of a spent George Foreman. After losing to Ali,
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago 2
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@BringerOfTheTruth So from my perspective, the very best Foreman I ever saw would have defeated the very best Holmes I ever saw. However, I think the post-Ali version of Foreman would have been decisioned by Holmes"
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
LARRY HOLMES HAD A BAD STYLE FOR FOREMAN, BUT STILL FOREMAN WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE OF HIS PUNCHING POWER, BECAUSE HOLMES ACCEPTED THE EXCHANGE OF BLOWS. AND FOREMAN WOULD STOP MARCIANO IN 2 ROUNDS, FOREMAN WOULD PROBABLY KNOCK JOE LOUIS OUT, FOREMAN WOULD KO PRIME TYSON, FOREMAN DESTROYED JOE FRAZIER, I THINK ALL THESE GUYS WOULD BEAT HOLMES. FOREMAN IS ON HOLMES IN THE HISTORY NO DOUBT ON THAT
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@combatesdeboxeo I agree on Foreman in top 10, thats as far as I will go. Never top 5.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Larry Holmes is the worst sportsman in boxing history
bigmace1000 1 year ago
George Foreman never held on to the title for long...and I think even if Muhammad Ali hadnt been around, another slick boxer would quickly expose him. Just like Jimmy Young did. Larry is right, GF would ko anyone standing in front of him, but could lose to boxers. Larry Holmes didnt have such vulnerability, he could fight against any style, and win. That's why he should be ranked higher than GF. Still, GF is in top #8.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
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combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
Bert sugar= bitch.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Foreman would have sent Tyson into orbit the same way he did Joe Frazier. Tyson would never have gotten inside Foreman's reach and he certainly wasn't tall enough to bite his ears.
MelC54 1 year ago
chuvalo had the best chin in history.Tyson of 1988 would walk thru fat 90's george.1973 george vs tyson 1988,a tossup 3 rounder.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
WHERE CAN I FIND THE REST OF THIS PLZ
bunce101 1 year ago
"He can get credit for it because we don't have cash today"
Donal111 1 year ago
If jimmy young,who wasn't even in holmes league,could outbox and drop foreman,what do you think holmes would do?Cmon
TheGatorfan93 1 year ago
i agree wid larry,he knows the score
HENRYHOBBS1 1 year ago
foreman number 8 ?????? he is in the top 3 !!
jejevson 1 year ago
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"Remember, Ali didn't beat Foreman by boxing him, and I don't think Holmes could have either. Ali had to endure a helluva beating to the head and body before he could take advantage of a spent George Foreman. After losing to Ali, Foreman doubted his stamina and was finished emotionally. This led to the measured style he fought under the tutelage of Gil Clancy. And that's why he lost to Jimmy Young. Had the Zaire version of Foreman fought Young, Foreman would have won inside three rounds."
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"Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived."
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"If you need a goat to blame for never seeing Foreman-Holmes, blame Holmes’ management and Don King for doing the right thing by Holmes, because Larry Holmes was nowhere close to being ready for George Foreman in 1976, despite Clancy messing Foreman up. You can also blame Jimmy Young. In fact, you can also blame Young for being the reason why we never saw Ali-Foreman II. Had Foreman defeated Young, we would have seen him fight Ali in September of 1977, instead of Ali fighting Shavers."
jimmynablee 1 year ago
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article by frank lotierzo
why we never saw foreman-larry holmes
jimmynablee 1 year ago
holmes has always been a bit of a whinging baby. he seems to live in denial about certain facts.
sedod66 1 year ago
Can you post the other vids for this top five?
gboot2786 1 year ago
Remember, Mike Tyson in his prime had supreme boxing skills, which included speed, stamina and superb punching power. He trained under one of the best boxing trainers in Cus'D Amato. He would have hurt Foreman and a bunch of others if he kept the trainers that got him to that level. Once he fired them, that was the end.
gboot2786 1 year ago
larry haitin on foreman smh
kingmiked13 1 year ago
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"kissed a few girls never kissed canvas"
RomanSedlak 1 year ago
George Chuvalo---GOAT
lumpagogo 2 years ago
Larry didn't 'beat':
Ken Norton
Carl "The Truth" William
Tim Witherspoon
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Michael Spinks
Evander "The Commander"
Mike Tyson
a couple others
lumpagogo 2 years ago
@lumpagogo you good in boxing man except holmes beat norton for the title in 78 holmes records 50 wins 3 losses and that was when he was past his prime against tyson holyfield and spinks dont try to add imaginary losses
MrIronval 1 year ago
you know.. this is an interesting match.. I would think that Foreman could land a big power shot. But if Holmes used his boxing stance and kept on jabbing and mixing it up with right corsses then I would think that Holmes would win if he stuck with his game plan. If Holmes stuck with it then it would be a UD for him easy.
TommyGun7111 2 years ago
lmao people saying tyson will beat ali, tyson couldnt even beat holyfield and lewis. ali is #3 in my list p4p all time, behind armstrong and robinson. tyson wont even make it through joe louis.
i0hate0this0place 2 years ago
This is a good video?Uncle Chuck Nitty
UncleChuckNitty 2 years ago
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Hiiiiii Consta!!!!
How're we? Bit late on this one (sorry). How come you haven't spouted your god, Ali?
Tyson would KO Ali with his right and Foreman with his left. And Frazier would just die of fright.
yerty2000 2 years ago
@consta4891suckscock, you are correct. Consta sucks cock all night long. And Foreman would likewise be eating Holmes jab all night long.
Tysonisthebestever 2 years ago
@consta4891, lol, consta again, Holmes would have punished Foreman. Foreman would have been eating Holmes jabs all night long. You know nothing about boxing consta. Only the great Tyson was able to punish Holmes with three knockdowns in one round for the TKO. Foreman is not even close to Tyson.
Tysonisthebestever 2 years ago
Holmes was 38 when he got beaten by Tyson, 38 years old. Tyson couldn't last 12 rounds with Holyfield with two attempts - Foreman at 42 years old lasted 12 rounds with Holyfield.
Tyson would have punished Foreman? Nonsense. Tyson had 4 great years - how can you possibly claim Tyson to be the greatest fighter of all time with only 4 great years... I'll tell you how - but not knowing anything about boxing.
Tyson GOAT... at KO'ing bums
Adebay0r 2 years ago
Larry Holmes - most underrated Heavyweight of all time, I personally rate him as the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all time behind Ali, Louis and FOREMAN and just about Lewis.
My opinion.
Adebay0r 2 years ago
just above* Lewis
Adebay0r 2 years ago
Tyson still took a pounding.
capablemachine 2 years ago
i know all that. was just replying to "holmes could take any punch!" when he couldn't
evol121 2 years ago
holmes can take any punch in the world? tyson knocked him spark out.
anyway.. post more of this vid if you have. would love to see more
evol121 2 years ago
Larry Holmes' is too egotistical.
HonorGuard117 2 years ago 8
Listen Guys Larry Holmes But Experts Has Been Said To Possibly Be Better Than Ali, Now Why Didn't People Take To Him?
You Seen It, He Treats His Losses And Carrera Is Diffrent Ways To Himself His Attitude Towards Boxing Is Poor 48-0 And Thats Why, 48-0 Made His Ego So Big He Believed He Beat Someone Without Really Trying Because He Took It For Granteed And Cried Like A Baby Since And Called Out Foreman Who Had Sucessfull Comeback Unlike His Own
OnlineBoxingPromos 2 years ago
Larry is a not anybody?..ha you know nothing about boxing..Larry is a top ten heavyweight of all time...
dhlfh 2 years ago
Witherspoon a joke?..that statement shows you dont know much about boxing if you come to that conclusion
dhlfh 2 years ago
Shavers was probably the hardest puncher in history..if Larry could take Shaver's puncher's then he would have taken Lyle's punches...Holmes Fought Norton,Cooney,Witherspoon,Tyson,Mercer...,i doubt he would avoid Lyle,Holmes avoided nobody..
dhlfh 2 years ago
Foreman lost to Jimmy Young....,i somehow cant see Holmes losing to him....
Look They are both great fighter's..i love Foreman but dont disrespect the Great and very underrated Holmes by saying he would be destroyed by Foreman...
dhlfh 2 years ago
Nobody destroyed a prime Holmes...A faded Ali beat Foreman....,Holmes was the closest to Ali in terms of style....im not saying Foreman couldn't have won but he wouldnt have destroyed holmes
dhlfh 2 years ago
Foreman 8th ??? they are smoking ???? 68 kos, 75 wins for 5 lossees ????? Never seen and it's not Holmes who have to criticize him ^^
jejevson 2 years ago 2
George Foreman is in the top 5 without a doubt and Holmes is just a jealous fuck!
1NotoriousAbz 2 years ago 8
@1NotoriousAbz Holmes is also top 5 material though :P
XionComrade 1 year ago
i would have loved to have seen george foreman vs larry holmes...two all time great's...i think holmes would have beat george on points any time in their life....
dhlfh 2 years ago
foreman #8? wtf? hes in the top 5 at worst imo
pureknightxs 2 years ago 3
Hearing Holmes talk about Foreman is a reminder of why I hate him. Foreman would have kicked his ass in his prime and at 45
gamehound83 2 years ago 4
I'm showing my age a bit here, but.... I "suspect" that some of Larry's resentment of George is that they never fought. I remember when Larry won the title. The overwhelming sentiment - in the world - was that it wouldn't last. Nobody took him seriously as a champion, which is a shame. He was great! But, this was the end of an era that boxing has never -and may never see again. GREAT heavyweights all over the place. Holmes beat an old Ali, and survived against Shavers. He never fought George.
BBCater 2 years ago 2
8! are they fucking mad? he's top 5 at worst. disrespectful.
krakatoa16 2 years ago 2
Mr. Holmes, we both know George was 10 times the fighter you were
Paragon231 2 years ago 3
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FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
Cus D'mato once told Tyson that the only way Foreman could be beaten in his heyday was by a tall skillful fighter who could drain him of his power.Ali did exactly that but would Holmes have been able to withstand the onslaught like Ali.He took Shaver's best shot and made it through,and some say Shavers hit even harder than Foreman.
taracanyon1 2 years ago
george foreman vs larry holmes 1972-1974 before ali george wins in ko within 5 if no ko within 5 larry holmes wins i predicted a ko round 4. they were the same age 22-24 1972-1974. larry holmes opted to wait to long to fight the top four at that time-ali,foreman,norton,frazier. he waited til 1978 when all four fightiners were just about gone, retired. a lesson from this don't wait boxers your prime years are from the ages of 21-27. dont wait, give it all you got dont duck and hide then jive .
jeryd2003 2 years ago
What a fucking asshole. Larry moves? Shit. Foreman went up against Ali, and during the fucking minutes before the 2nd round Ali was just looking as if surprised, by Foremans' Determination. Larry aint a fuckin thing compared to Ali.
xxxxdukexxxx 2 years ago 2
hey you are you punched drunk?lol you haven't said one thing that made any sense lol you need education and some help you little yelp lol
jeryd2003 2 years ago
You obviously havn't either watched the other videos.. or you're just too socially retarded to understand another person.
xxxxdukexxxx 2 years ago
Larry Holmes Is Shit Who Cares About That Fight
OnlineBoxingPromos 2 years ago 2
Larry Holmes obviously jealous because George was able to accomplish what he has been trying to accomplish for years, recapture the title.
Aphoresis 2 years ago 7
muhammaad ali stood in front of george foreman and he was alright
mrphilosophical 3 years ago
i think the problem why pple didnt give larry hplmes hes due recognition is because of the lousy way he carry himself
mrphilosophical 3 years ago
oh man you are right
mrphilosophical 3 years ago
Larry comes across as a bitter and jealous, old mand.
ph1484 3 years ago 3
HA HA HA George would rock holmes come on man this shit is a no brainer
AlGerard 3 years ago 3
Holmes is better than Foreman.
karlos81 3 years ago
Tyson was scared of Foreman, and look what Tyson did to Holmes.
warrkrymez 3 years ago
@warrkrymez holmes was 38 years old when he fought tyson and mike said in the post fight interview that holmes is a legendary fighter and that if he fought him in his prime that would have ben a different fight and tyson wasn't scared of foreman you can judge a bad performance for a fighter past his prime look man tyson was also 38 when he fought mc bride and he lost in his prime hewould have killed that dumb giant no question about that
MrIronval 1 year ago
@MrIronval Tyson WAS scared of Foreman, old Foreman we're talking here. Tyson totally dodged him. You need to check out some videos where in interviews he says he will not fight him even though Don King was pushing for it.
warrkrymez 1 year ago
@warrkrymez bullshit if he was scared who would bum king would push him into fighting a guy that was potentially dangerous for mike oh right my bad for the money like king gives a fuck about anything else and old foreman couldnt beat holyfield or even the duke morrison so i dont see how he would have beat mike for that matter
MrIronval 1 year ago
@warrkrymez Tyson was not ducking Foreman are you insane ? Truth is, Foreman had done nothing to merit a title shot..he had been retired for 10 years, then after he had only beaten TOTAL BUMS... Not a single contender on the resume. Any good contender at the time woulda beaten him. You think he coulda handled Buster Douglas ? Tony Tucker ? Evander Holyfield ? oops we already know about that one lol.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth buster douglas? hahahaha old foreman 88-91 would smash douglas in 2 rounds, you must be joking.... tonny tucker would run during all fight to survive just like alext stewart did. prime foreman in 1973 would beat holyfield by tko, foreman would ko tyson,he would beat marciano by tko, he probably would ko joe louis. and all these guys would beat holmes.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
Old foreman would not "smash" douglas or tucker any young fast boxer would beat him,thats why he avoided them all and stuck to bums.Holyfield beat him easy,so did morrison.Only win against good opposition was against moore.And that kind of fluke punch only happens one out of 100.So what you base this strange argument that foreman would smash everyone,i dont know.Each time he faced someone good he struggled, except against Frazier and norton . Any BOXER made him work, any slugger he could beat.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@combatesdeboxeo funny how you always say "prime foreman 73" What kind of shit boxer has a prime of one year ? Easy for you to make excuses for all his losses, since "he was not prime"..lol yea pretty hard for everyone to arrange a fight with him in his one minute of prime.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth prime foreman was 72-74, but the best foreman was in 1973 in my opinion, AND YOUR HERO TYSON AVOIDED OLD FOREMAN, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, THE BOXERS WERE BAD STYLE FOR GEORGE, BUT THE SHORT PUNCHERS WERE PERFECT FOR GEORGE.
ANY VERSION OF FOREMAN 70-74 88-91 WOULD KO TYSON, SIMPLY LIKE THAT. EVEN MORRISON WHO WAS A PUNCHER RAN DURING ALL FIGHT AGAINST GRANDFATHER FOREMAN. PRIME VS PRIME FOREMAN WOULD KO HOLMES AND FOREMAN 88 WAS BETTER THAN HOLMES 88.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheT THE TYSON FANS SAYS ALWAYS THE TYPICAL BULLSHIT
"PRIME TYSON ... KEVIN ROONEY CUS DAMATO.. BLABLABLA" PRIME!!!! TYSON(24) LOST BY BRUTAL KO AGAINST THE BUM BUSTER DOUGLAS, END OF THE HISTORY, FOREMAN WAS DEPRESSED AND HE LOST BY UD AGAINST JIMMY YOUNG, A GREAT AND UNDERRATED BOXER(WHO WAS STOLEN AGAINST SHAVERS,ALI,NORTON AND LARRY HOLMES AVOIDED HIM!!! LARRY HOLMES AVOIDED RON LYLE TOO)
NORTON FACED YOUNG,ALI FACED YOUNG, FOREMAN FACED YOUNG,SHAVERS FACED YOUNG. AND HOLMES?
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth OLD FOREMAN FOUGHT 12 ROUNDS AGAINST A PRIME LEGEND AS EVANDER HOLYFIELD , EVANDER SAID " NOBODY!!! DID HIT ME LIKE FOREMAN DID", TYSON COULD NOT EVEN FINISH THE FIGHT AGAINST PAST PRIME HOLYFIELD HAHA, PRIME FOREMAN WOULD OWN PRIME HOLYFIELD FOR SURE. TOO STRONG, TOO POWERFUL , TOO AGGRESSIVE. FOREMAN WOULD OWN HOLYFIELD JUST LIKE BOWE DID, BUT FOREMAN WAS STRONGER AND HARDER PUNCHER THAN BOWE AND GEORGE HAD MORE HEART
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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@BringerOfTheTruth "Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived"
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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Who would have won had they fought at their best? The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived . AND I AGREE
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
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@BringerOfTheTruth Who would have won had they fought at their best?
. I don't believe Holmes could have survived the Foreman that Muhammad Ali survived
The best Foreman was the one who fought from late 1972 through October 1974 when he lost to Ali. The best Holmes fought during the years 1979-82. In my opinion, the undefeated Foreman of ‘73-‘74 would have beaten the undefeated Holmes of ‘80-‘82.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@MrIronval tyson avoided old foreman , because cus damato told tyson when he was an adolescent that the style of marciano,frazier,patterson,tyson.. would be a suicide against foreman
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@warrkrymez look dat was larry homes after like a 4 year lay off i think soo not da same fighter
themanwhowilllayout2 1 year ago
@themanwhowilllayout2 If you're past your prime like you guys say and you're too old, why get in the ring with the hottest fighter of the time?
warrkrymez 1 year ago
@warrkrymez MONEYY all fighters that need it come back or trying to prove dat ther still great
themanwhowilllayout2 1 year ago
@warrkrymez Moooooney lol.....He says he would be laughing all the way to the bank XD
XionComrade 1 year ago
Holmes is a sore loser. I can't believe I'm saying this: maybe Tyson should have beaten him some more.
by78 3 years ago 3
@karlos81 you know pure shit on boxing
jimmynablee 1 year ago
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karlos81 3 years ago
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Holmes would give Foreman a boxing lesson. Everything Holmes said about Foreman here is true.
britvroman 3 years ago
I would rate the all time great heavyweights as Ali, Louis, Marciano, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman, Johnson, Tunney, Frazier, Dempsey, Liston, Paterson & Norton. Thats my top 15 in order. Of course its open to debate but those guys are the cream of the crop. One things for sure. Larry Holmes was way better than Foreman.
ProfRogers 3 years ago