@antitrol101 just look around you. Evidence that there is a God is everywhere. To say you don't believe in God but that you believe in science is to me a contradiction because they are the same. We all have faith but to me its funny how you place your faith in somthing that was created by the One you don't believe in.
Religion and christianity are 2 different things. Many people have religion and many people go to church but that doesn't make them a christian. And I don't really care if you believe the Bible or anything else its your choice to make.....FREE-WILL
I find it funny how Sweden, one of the most athiest countries on the planet, is doing very successfully. Just goes to show how a lack of religion does not effect one's moral code or character in any way, and we have a country as an example of that. In America, a great percentage of people are identified as thiest, and the country is in complete shit right now,
@dgangdj there are so many evidences that I could give you but ill just choose a more recent one. One of my friends had cancer and the drs told him he had maybe 6 months so he asked us to pray for him so a bunch of us (family & friends) so we did and when he went back to see the dr there was nothing there but scarred tissue.
Well christianity is a choice just like atheism is and for the record I don't think I said I grew up as a christian.....ne way I chose christianity just like you chose atheism. Its called free-will. As for proof, first i believe the Bible (and I believed it b4 I became a christian)
Just sayin' I've seen too much proof that there is a God. I'm not going to look down on people for not believing in God but that doesn't mean that I agree with it.
@1FanDuke And the only proof I've seen of God is a burnt image of Jesus on a piece of toast. I create the same argument that you have, but with the opposite view.
Just sayin' I've seen way too much proof that there is a God. Personal preference I guess......I'm not gonna look down on people for what they believe but that doesn't mean that I agree with it.
@1FanDuke Proof must be observable to all people. If you claim that you have proof, share it with us. There is no such thing as personal proof. That's whats so great about science and secularism: you must communicate your findings or else no one believes in what you found. That way, no one can make BS up without providing evidence.
@Rob1pr30 don't say Christianity is fake. The dead sea scrolls prove that the old testament is in fact 99.9%true. The other .01 percent is stray marks. I could give u a whole list man.
@tomatosoupist you just discredited yourself by "think we came from" in other words you dont know just like every other human being thatd ever lived. its a part of life. not knowing where we came from, where we go when we die and god. not one person knows hence christianity is false. only supernatural events ever are in a book written by people 2000 years ago when they thought the earth was flat. philosofy and science are the truth.
@Tydye... I really wish that u could talk to my teacher on this subject. How can u not believe that their is a god? Where do you think we came from? Our bodies, for example, are made up of MILLIONS of cells and parts to work with. Seriously??! You think that there could not have a been an intelligent designer on this?!?
hey i just talked to a fairy(person thinks your crazy) : hey i just talked to god(person thinks that normal) FAiTH = excuse to believe in something you know logically you have no evidence for
Faith in god is like believing you can run through brick walls. so Christians, put your faith to test . try and run through brick walls head 1st =D maybe you'll wake up then?! i hope so. lol
@1FanDuke What if I grew up Christian? I did believe. And yet I came to the conclusion that there is no god of any sort. Tried, decided against what it claimed, and Feel much better overall and have more meaning in my life. So, how can you not like Atheism if you haven't tried it?
Who the fuck cares? Honestly? Can't for once Atheist just drop it? Believe on what you believe but don't go on being a dick and making pointless arguement over the internet. Honestly shut up. If you met me you wouldn't no if i was a christian only if you bring that up. Same goes for Christians drop it all ready. Like a old saying says "fighting over the internet is like the speacial olympics even if you win you're stilll retarded.
@bryanpein No atheism will not just drop it. I'm not even atheist, as I don't claim to know that there could be no divine power whatsoever. What is total bullshit though is the writings in the bible. For too long the world has been modelled on a fictional novel that does but encourage segragation and division amongst the world's people. Religion has had it's chance and now it's over. The bible has been proved so wrong on so many aspects that it ranks alongside a Jules Verne novel.
even though i'm christian, i hv more respect for these athiests who hv reason for their views as oppose to the ones who just keep churning out the same arguments over and over (eg. y does god allow suffering? y doesn't god prove his existance? etc.) simply cos they most likely can't be bothered to believe anything different.
To be honest to keep debating this is sad, you religious lot can slag me off all you want but religion is outdated, we do not live in the middle ages. We understand things now so atheists start appearing because they believe in sense and reason.
Because I understand it is completely illogical to credit a text with information found within. It's like saying I always tell the truth because I say I tell the truth. You can't prove a statement about yourself with your own words.
@queencandice11 im not picking sides here because to pick a side is to prove your ignorance at this moment were there is no real falsification for religion or verification. But atheists do follow what other atheists say, and christians follow what christians say...whats your point? In saying christians do not consider other christians views proves ignorance in that community and no thirst for higher knowledge. To just accept something as a fact without atleast trying to find out more is insane
There is a higher probability that their are more uneducated people following christianity vs atheism. I think this can be contributed to the fact that educated people are more prone to believe in certain aspects that apparently contradict religion like evolution because it is a large part of the educated world we live in now days. The simple fact is nature laws constantly changes so you cannot determine the truth based on a model that is incomplete. More knowledge equals more indecision
I also apologize for the many posting under the comment sections. The way "Christians" on here respond to many arguments is usually not the way they should. If they are true bible believing Christians, than they would also know that arguments are done with truth and grace -- not by slandering or out to try and make someone feel bad. If you'd like to have an intelligent conversation where someone wants to hear you out on why you believe or don't believe, feel free to message!
I honestly want to apologize for my Christian brethren here. The terrible grammar, spelling, and sentence syntax is grounds enough to think that Christians are stupid. In the case that anyone would like to have an intelligent, scientific christian atheist debate, try me. I won't throw "Because the bible says so" at you. We can keep it completely based on hard proof and evidence. I just feel that the intellectual side of Christianity is seriously underrepresented in this video.
This is getting boring..what we have makes a lot more sense than what you do. Even if Christianity was a hoax, we still have even more 'coincidences' than you. You lose. You have BEEN losing, and will, in the end, lose again. I'm done here, buddy.
witness n wait very soon every knee will bend and when this comes to pass u will remember this statement and perform it:) GOD BLESS in jesus name amen
@MidiMurderer i dont agree. i cant really explain fully hear y i disagree bcos theres a limit to the characters. if u want to have a discussion my email is johnscrazyfarm@gmail.com .
I also agree with atheist religion is bull crap, its FAKE, well guess what MAN MADE RELIGION BUT GOD EXISTED BEFORE IT! Christianity is not a religion its a relationship with Jesus christ! Why do you guys constantly attack us? What about Muslims! We are warring with the m RIGHT NOW, read the quaran and see if u will hate them as much as you hate us, oh wait i know why because satan knows which one is true and real so he uses u guys to try to bring us down, u like using logic, well i just did to
@QueenCandace11 Jesus is any imaginary friend, like any god thinking that any person can change another persons mind and make anyone any smarter, like knowing how to learn any use of words, its all going to end one day unless we all change our ways within what we are doing to this planet having too many children and not enough jobs which dont pay enough to get along which has been exemplified within any Sermon on the Mount, poverty isnt healthy for any society when it breeds any strife
@MrPlanx explain to me why is that if i was Muslim, Budhist, Hindu, or anything else you guys have little to no problem with me, but since Im christian theres all the sudden a problem, If you actually took the time to study the bible and seek God you will see if it corresponds with history, and dont just go to athestic sites, you will find that the bible contain more credible information than your average history book, it okay ure a human being do what u want, ull except the conequences l8r
@QueenCandace11 - Because WHO CONTROLS THE ELECTIONS? WHICH RELIGION DO POLITICIANS USE TO GET VOTES? Christianity is not just a religion, it is a political force that unfairly unites people over something that has NO business being in politics. Also, Christians statistically are STUPID. Just enter "IQ vs. Religion" in YouTube now and take a look at the FACTS. Speaking of facts, TRY ADMITTING WHEN YOU ARE WRONG - as you were here about the Earth's orbit being "magical". Again GET AN EDUCATION.
@QueenCandace11 lol christians like you are funny. your theory to everything is "OMFG! a guy just fell out of the clouds and lived! he must be magical! worship him!" lol. go ahead. debate me.
@QueenCandace11 - Also, Atheism is the ABSENCE of religion. Christians are atheists in 99.9999% of the world's religions. You are firmly convinced that all of them are false except your own. Atheists just take it that 0.0001% further and say yours is ALSO primitive nonsense, just like the others. Ask yourself why you refuse to believe in Zeuss. What if THAT was the one true religion, and you burn in hell for having ignored it? It is the same stupid argument Christians use.
@MrPlanx zeuss was a tryant in greek mythology every1 went to hades it didnt mater what happened, so are the othr Gods they are not loving liek the one true God, Primitive? Really? Without Religion u would be living in a cave right not, religion establishes a law, because you have some God altho it may not be the true God, to be accountable too, without a God you will be nothing more than a wildibeast caveman, thers a reason y there is not a single atheistic civilization that survived
@QueenCandace11 - There was a time in history when religion served a useful purpose. It still does for primitive tribal people. NEWSFLASH: This is the 21st century. It is time to put away childish, primitive mythology and deal with REALITY. You don't believe in Zeuss, or any of the other thousands of religions because there is no evidence for them being true. SAME THING FOR YOUR RELIGION. ZERO evidence - plus it teaches you to not think, and to embrace stupidity.
Life is not by chance, its too complex, if it was by chance it would be thrown about, there is a devine intelligent being who knows what he is doing he created this world perfectly, be humans messed it up, not God, you wanna use science to disproove my Lord, Did u know if the earth was just a few fractional inces away or towards the sun we would either burn up or freeze to death? The water cycle, water is so pure and complex it supports all life, atheism is a trick by satan, God loves u
@QueenCandace11 i agree with you on many levels, im a christian of course. However, remember it's very easy to blame Satan. Satan really just goads you.(Did you know that in Eden the Serpent never lied? He just decieved them.)It's our fault for losing ourselves. Don't blame satan for everything.
@yamayama186 yes ik satan does not technically lie he decieves to make it seem credible but yes, god bless you pray for me please, but God calsl himthe Father of Lies so he is, and it is our faults but its influenced by the enemy, he is very strong today but we wiill always be stronger God bless you
@QueenCandace11 - this is PURE IGNORANCE. The earth could be plus or minus millions of miles in either direction with no difference. GET AN EDUCATION.
@QueenCandace11 - YOU are the one who is ignorant. The earth could be 4.5 million miles closer to the sun, or 34 million miles further away and still be habitable. YouTube doesn't allow for the posting of links directly, so Google "curious about astronomy 398" and read the first search result from Cornell University of Astronomy. Like I said, GET AN EDUCATION.
@QueenCandace11 - AND OF COURSE NO RESPONSE BACK. This is a perfect example of why many atheists consider Christians to be stupid scumbags. At least have the damned courtesy to admit when you are wrong.
@MrPlanx LOL! What a big ol' YouTube tyrant you are. And you sure are an intelligent 'intellectual' to have resorted to name calling. Smh. Go get a purpose or something. Oh wait, you're wondering aimlessly, derr. What a sad day it will be for...nevermind.
@killurselfandlive - So I'm a "tyrant" (you are name calling, by the way) because I speak TRUTH and FACTS? Ignorant religious people spread LIES and when they are caught in their lie, they STILL don't change their opinion, let alone admit they were wrong. THIS is exactly why many atheists are fed up with religious assholes. If you refuse to learn, you are actually WORSE than an idiot. At least most idiots are trying. Do you support lies, misinformation and ignorance? If so, then fuck you.
@MrPlanx Why so angry? And neurotic? lol Whatever belief you hold isn't working, evidently. Truth and lies, you say? You believe nothing came from nothing and that nothing exploded into and became everything and everywhere for no apparent reason. That's your 'logic'? Clearly, you have flipped the tables of reality. And you mock our belief? Hah! What a knee-slapper.
@MrPlanx That being said, I believe I'll maintain my 'idiocy' rather than becoming an 'intellectual' like yourself. Please, stop before you make any more of a spectacle out of yourself. Or a testicle, rather.
@killurselfandlive - Just because science can not YET explain the origin of the Universe is absolutely NO reason to jump to the absolute STUPIDEST theory proposed by ancient goat herders that an invisible man in the sky made it happen. It answers NOTHING, because then you are left with an even more bizarre question of where did he come from? Yes, I'm sure you will maintain your idiocy, because that's all you are capable of.
@killurselfandlive - Glad to say that I moved to a country that doesn't have Christmas. Just New Years. We don't believe in fairy tales. Reality is much better. I grew up in the US, so I can appreciate how difficult it may be for you to think outside of this box, but the world functions on truth and facts, not fantasy and make believe.
@MrPlanx Christians ran you completely out of the country? Not surprised. God IS omniscient. So, where are you spreading your evilness now? I'm not clear on what it is you're fighting for exactly. I mean, what is your motivation for persecuting Christianity other than hatred? It surely isn't to help me come to 'knowledge' and possibly convert. Even if I were to be on the fence, I surely wouldn't be convinced or coerced by you simply because of your negative and hateful attitude. All of you alike
@killurselfandlive - How exactly would Christians run me out of the country? Good grief. Are you going to be a complete douche bag your whole life? Christianity is for MORONS. They NEED to be laughed at, because they don't respond to logic. They are emotional creatures who don't use their brains, so laughter is the best way to make them aware that they need to get with the program. In that spirit, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
@MrPlanx Hahaha! I laugh, too. Definitely not with you. Typical atheist. You all are so predictable that it is NOT funny. Once again, your 'logic' is lacking. We are all emotional creatures. Hence, you're idiotic laughter. So that won't suffice for making any type of point. You don't even have the ability to articulate. I would almost be interested in your own personal definition of 'logic' because you seem to have it misconstrued, but I refuse to encourage ignorance.
@MrPlanx Had you validated anything other than the point in my own comments, then that may have been a potential 'program' I could "get with". Just avoid the rest that you can't come up with some false sense of 'logic' to justify denial temporarily. Transparency is so tacky. And so is your foul mouth that implies weak form of logic.
@killurselfandlive - Go ahead. By all means explain the LOGIC that your deity exists. If you can actually do that, then not only will I apologize, but I will never write anything against religion on another message board. Note, though - that YOUR personal ignorance does not constitute evidence or logic of anything. Simply saying that YOU don't understand how the universe could form without a deity is NOT proof of a deity. Go ahead. By all means. I'm listening.
@MrPlanx Yawwwn... You can already guess, the basics of at least, what I am going to say. You will respond with something about science and blah, blah, blah. It is utterly pointless. You are spiritually ignorant, period. Blind..dead! The fact is, science never will nor can ever prove the existence of God, let along the non-existence. Fact is, even with your logic, I don't understand how you can be left with so many questions in your logic when we have found the answers. They come a lot closer..
@killurselfandlive - You accused me of not being logical. I provided you with an opportunity to show YOUR superior logic. I even offered a pretty good incentive (my promise to never write anything against religion again on a message board) if you could actually "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak, and provide some of your supposed logic. But you have NO logic, and you know it. You accuse ME of name calling, while you say I'm blind and dead. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
@MrPlanx Did you just challenge me to a dual? Hahaha!! Sir, I have provided you with numerous opportunities to prove yourself and you done what? Avoided it all costs. Go back and re-read my posts. No more wasting good energy, man. Do you believe in spirituality? I'm pretty sure your answer would be, "No". Therefore, you are spiritually Ignorant- lacking knowledge of; blind, and dead.
@killurselfandlive - Oh, you are just now getting that, huh? Yes, I am challenging you. Provide some evidence that justifies your belief in what can not be seen, touched, measured, or relied upon for consistent results. Go ahead. Until you do, you are just another religious moron.
@MrPlanx LOL to bad i was away from the internet, thats the problem with u athesit always assuming you know what we do and beleive u dont know jack about what we feel or do, u justl isten to what other atheist say about christianity, and look at you the potty mouthed little boy attitude with no self controll, who is the stuipid one, i thought ur parents taught u well in your youth? Or maybe u were justto stubborn to listen like now oooo u will see one dday
@QueenCandace11 - MORE LIES. I went to your channel on YouTube where it shows your most recent activity. You have been on many times since I posted that. Next are you going to say you didn't write this? What "potty mouth"? MORE HALLUCINATIONS? Words like stupid and moron are not obscenities.
@MrPlanx too bad this is my SISTERS ACCOUNT AND I DONT USE HERS THAT MUCH BECAUSE ITS HERS, haha, notice the QUEENCANDACE, all im doing is warning u because you are going to see one day, Jesus said to warn, ezekiel said to bl0ow trumpets, since ive warned u ur blood is no longer on my own hands its now ur own
As everyone one else seems to be sharing quotes I will to, "There are two types of men in the world; intelligent men without religion, religious men without intelligence."
@T4terrible Religion..Ack! However, "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and the weak to shame the strong." -1 Cor. 1:27. What a sad day it will be for the 'intellectual' ones when they bow looking dumb faced. Just can't mind-play the Omniscient.
@killurselfandlive - What a sad day it is EVERY DAY for the dumb ones when they bow before the intellectuals - even though most of them are too dumb to even realize they are bowing.
miracles do happen but we are so used to it that a lot of miracles are seem as ordinary events. isn't it a miracle to be alive, but we don't see the miracle. your parents give you a shelter? but you can't see it because you aren't in the streets, get it. maybe the time when you spun into ditch on highway and not a scratch on you or your car.
ATHEISTS NEVER LOSE, IT'S ABOUT TIME ALL CHRISTIANS REALISE THIS MWUHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....MMWWWUUUHHHOOOHOOOHHOOOOOOO...MWWUHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA........
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish
@MRfunRSPS Haha I heard that! 'Religion' is a deadly thing! I don't want the fish, the pole, or a religion. I have a Relationship with the Ultimate Fisherman. I'm straight.
@MRfunRSPS scientific proof i guess would most obviously be the origin of all things, nothing can make nothing(before you say where did your God come from, you shuld know that he wouldn't be much of a God if he was created. Creator not the created. Plus the neat and awesome alignment of the planets is anouther thing. wow an explosion placed everything just far and close enough in every perfect way. Intelligent design. And the chicken. because if egg came first, no one could nurture it. duh.
U DUMG MIRACLES DONT ACTUALLY MEAN ONLY SUPER PHYSICAL OR SCIENCE DENYING BUT ACTUALLY ABOVE THE UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLANATION OF MANKIND AT THE TIME OF HAPPENING. IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME 150 YEARS BACK TALKING ON CELL PHONES LIKE THIS WOULD BE A MIRACLE...U GET MY POINT..
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
@Mogley52 Obvious mistake that people dont understand. We didnt literally morph from species to species. Two species mated to form another kind, which mated with something else to form another and so on until, you guessed it, the same thing happened with chimpanzees and then we were made. I find Evolution easier to believe than the idea that a supernatural being created everything on this Earth and fixes your life magically when you pray to him.
@KrazyAssWhiteBoy21 humans are not monkeys and did not come from monkeys. look there are different types of kats, different types of monkey birds and humans. you really believe two monkey fuk and made a human? or a human caught an ape and freak with it? come on that's ridiculous do you know how hard it is to catch a chimp, do you bride it with bananas haha.
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ON ANOTHER PLANET? Imagine finding a planet where robots are programmed to make other robots just like themselves from raw materials. Now, imagine an alien scientist visiting the planet and, after studying these robots, comes to the conclusion that because science can explain how these robots work, function, and reproduce there's no reason to believe there was an intelligent designer behind them! Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or a cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless.
T1 equals T1 eternal time. Within T1 you do not have T2, therefore, there is no motion within T1 yet. Since T1 is eternal time, that's where everything began. So, since time is also a description, and since descriptions describe information, then, eternal time equals eternal non-physical description of time.
So, within T1 eternal time, you do not have any T2, therefore, you do not have any dimensions nor motion within T1. Since you can have time without motion within T1, but you cannot have T1 through T2 motion and physical dimensions within T1.
So, T1 eternal time, has no physical beginning dimensions and also does not have any natural forward dimensionsal time, since_finite time equals T1 through T2, and T1 through T2 equals finite time, NOT eternal time.
So, the question is, since the Conervation of Energy also projects information, and since the 1st Law of Thermodynamics declares the E & M cannot be created nor destroyed, then naturally, the projected information within energy (dimensional waves) can also be described as non-created, nor destroyed.
So, within the potential T1 state, you have_unmoveable potential information, and energy exists within T2, via kinetic state by moving from the_unmotion T1 state towards through T2.
Allow me to break it down for you. The Conservation of Energy requires a potential point, PE(i), which does not pocess any motion. The KE(i) is the kinetic(motion), so, you have PE(i) +KE(i) = PE(f) +KE(f)= Conservation of Energy.
The big bang began from T1 and expanded towards T2. That is PE(i) through T2 _KE(i). So, the big bang cannot pocess any KE(i) witihin the initial T1(Big Bang) location, since_motion only occurs "after" expansion from T1 through T2 occurs.
Can you have dimensions before the big bang? No. Can you have motion before the big bang? No. Why not? Since the big bang began from T1, there wasn't any motion until_T2 via expansion of the big bang. In short, you cannot create a "dimension" without a line. You cannot create a dimesion without an expansion from T1 through T2.
T1 is the potential_unmoveable state, before the big bang, and T2 is the kinetic state_after the big bang. You cannot also have "density" before BB.
@ChrisRHughes I think we can both agree that man is a personal creature. It loves, hurts, is angered, etc. I am trying to show you that if man is truly a personal being it must've had a personal beginning. Then i went on to try to show the logical extension of the removal of the "mannishness" of man ie personality, what makes man man.
@Steelers2417 If God created all the other animals would their "non-personal" attributes necessitate a non-personal creator? Do you see the fallacy in your argument from this perspective? Also, what about other creatures who experience personality like dogs and dolphins?
@ChrisRHughes Lets look at it this way: a pesronal human, can create another personal human, or an impersonal machine, i.e a computer. However, an impersonal computer can create other impersonal things, but not a personal humna. So if we start with a personal Creator we can explain both personal and nonpersonal creatures
@Steelers2417 If you want to define a personal creator that way, then fine. People on your end of the spectrum like to define God in which ever way fills the most gaps, which, I believe, you have done very well here. However, what would you say about life that is neither personal nor impersonal, such as a bacterium? We also know that amino acids (impersonal) can form life (personal), how does that affect your analogy?
@ChrisRHughes What gives you the idea that if something can create something both personal and impersonal, that it cannot create something that is neither? It is like looking at everything man has created and saying, yeah but i bet you can't do that... To answer your question God chose to make man personal and rocks impersonal and everything else in between
@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
@Steelers2417 What are you trying to say? How has he removed meaning from his life? I'm sure you've heard, life is what you make it. By accepting naturalism, it does not preclude meaning to one's life. At least, I think that's what you're trying say?
@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
@ChrisRHughes Now I want to look at the dichotomy i was describing. Christopher Hitchens loves literature, it is his lifes greatest passion, but my question is why? If this life is absurd and without meaning and we as humans are ultimately hopeless, a part of the machine, why engage in anything. His answer would be that this is where he finds meaning and pleasure, but to say that is either irrational or impossible since he has alreday removed the possibility of meanng under the banner of logic
@ChrisRHughes Let me attempt to systematically break down what I am trying to say about mankind. Man is born a personal being, therefore he must interact with his surroundings and engage in that which brings him pleasure. This is because man is made in the image of a personal Creator. Now if we remove the personal, we are left with the impersonal+time+chance creating the personal. This view is irrational, that the impersonal could create the personal. *Cont*
@Steelers2417 Are you fucking serious? This is the third time you've attempted to explain some empty rhetoric with odd word usage and complemented with absurd and nonsensical terms like "personal Creator" which you haven't clearly defined and merely asserted. You some how necessitate a "personal" attribute to mankind, without showing what that is or how all other possibilities are erroneous and are thus subject to mocking laughter. *tehe* *taha*
@Steelers2417 Your brain (conscience) is the faculty by which you observe you the world and can comment on one's own existence. It doesn't matter how accurately you percieve the world, that's not what I commented on and is a different question entirely. You assume hope is neccessary, again more empty language that doesn't really explain anything. What exactly are you trying to say about mankind here? Existence is both rational and irrational, this isn't a true dichotomy.
@ChrisRHughes I would disagree because the man who halucinates is conciouss, and yet what he sees in the world around him is not real. Also if we look at Descartes "I think therefore I am statement" closely, he too relies on rationality. Regarding modern man you have seemed to missed my point. My point is that within the bubble of rationality he is hopeless, so he must step out of it at times to achieve a certain sense of fulfillment, a dichotomy... Good for you, best of luck with that
@ChrisRHughes For modern man, who has no hope of meaning, all of these things are irrational, because they are used to give hope that he has no foundation for. This can be seen in the paintings of Picasso and Da Vinci, who died in the agony of a life depraved of hope. I would encourage you to read Francis Schaeffers "The God who is there", or "Escape from Reason" to show you the despair of modern man
@ChrisRHughes I am not saying that existence is dependent on rationality but rather that without rationality we have no reason to believe we exist. The word existence has no meaning if not in the light of nonexistence. For the modern man, man is a machine. He is trapped in the world that surrounds him and lives his life in the light of his inpending doom. Whatever he uses to try and take his mind off it(art, music, literature etc.) he is still trapped in his reality of what is. *Cont.*
@Steelers2417 No, without conscienceness we have no reason to believe we exist. It is the faculty which allows us to observe rationality and is therefor the independent variable in this premise. Your sermon on the depravity and hopelessness of modern man is fantastic and all but is rhetorical and doesn't say anything useful nor posit any particular view that is meaningful, it is rather nonsensical. I am 22 and pursuing a double major in computer science and philosophy.
@ChrisRHughes Thats a cop out, you can't explain something so you wish it away. Rationality is a very real fact thats standing in front of you. Regarding morals you have still failed to show that people would act in a moral way regardless if it was beneficial to them. Oh, by the way to say rationality exists, is to say it doesnt not exist, antithesis....rationality...you cant escape it :)
@Steelers2417 Yes rationality exists, however, existence is not the dependent variable on rationality. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear the first time. People don't act in a moral way, that wasn't my contention to even begin with, how did you get to assuming that? Sure, thats proving a negative by placing it in a positive form, i.e--two negatives make a positive; see you did learn something in math class. In this instance there are things that r both rational and irrational, there antithesis fails
@ChrisRHughes Without rationality, we don't even exist because existence only holds value when it is contrasted to non-existence. Irrationality says it doesn't matter if i hit the old lady with my car on help her across the street, as long as i act. Why are you even gonna respond to this if youre aren't convinced that I am wrong and youre right(antithesis)
@Steelers2417 Rationality exists in its present state that mandates this requirement, however, we don't know what laws, if any, were in place prior to the beginning of the universe. Again the irrationality, with regard to morals, that I spoke of was directly related to the measurable return of survivability from any given act and in that, the biological mechanism responsible for "morality" does not innately measure the outcome, thus irrationality, or in other words, is inefficient.
@ChrisRHughes If the trait is inherrited, then at one point it must have been beneficial to our survival to help that old lady, and as we have already discussed it is not beneficial to our survival. So if you want to say we help those who help us as a result of a trait that once helped us survive, fine, but u can't make that connection to our discussion. Btw shouldn't we have grown out of it, since its no longer needed? And if its a universal thing, then why do most not adhere to
And then when you piss one off they get mad and start name calling. Lol
1FanDuke 1 month ago
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SeanHMc 1 month ago
@antitrol101 just look around you. Evidence that there is a God is everywhere. To say you don't believe in God but that you believe in science is to me a contradiction because they are the same. We all have faith but to me its funny how you place your faith in somthing that was created by the One you don't believe in.
1FanDuke 1 month ago
Religion and christianity are 2 different things. Many people have religion and many people go to church but that doesn't make them a christian. And I don't really care if you believe the Bible or anything else its your choice to make.....FREE-WILL
1FanDuke 1 month ago
I find it funny how Sweden, one of the most athiest countries on the planet, is doing very successfully. Just goes to show how a lack of religion does not effect one's moral code or character in any way, and we have a country as an example of that. In America, a great percentage of people are identified as thiest, and the country is in complete shit right now,
AntiTroll101 1 month ago
@dgangdj there are so many evidences that I could give you but ill just choose a more recent one. One of my friends had cancer and the drs told him he had maybe 6 months so he asked us to pray for him so a bunch of us (family & friends) so we did and when he went back to see the dr there was nothing there but scarred tissue.
1FanDuke 1 month ago
Well christianity is a choice just like atheism is and for the record I don't think I said I grew up as a christian.....ne way I chose christianity just like you chose atheism. Its called free-will. As for proof, first i believe the Bible (and I believed it b4 I became a christian)
1FanDuke 1 month ago
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AntiTroll101 1 month ago
Just sayin' I've seen too much proof that there is a God. I'm not going to look down on people for not believing in God but that doesn't mean that I agree with it.
1FanDuke 1 month ago
@1FanDuke And the only proof I've seen of God is a burnt image of Jesus on a piece of toast. I create the same argument that you have, but with the opposite view.
FauxShizzle9 1 month ago
@1FanDuke and what proof would that be? Not sarcastic, just seriously, I'm really interested to know what could make you believe.
DgangaJ 1 month ago
Just sayin' I've seen way too much proof that there is a God. Personal preference I guess......I'm not gonna look down on people for what they believe but that doesn't mean that I agree with it.
1FanDuke 1 month ago
@1FanDuke Proof must be observable to all people. If you claim that you have proof, share it with us. There is no such thing as personal proof. That's whats so great about science and secularism: you must communicate your findings or else no one believes in what you found. That way, no one can make BS up without providing evidence.
AntiTroll101 1 month ago
@tyedye07 nice to know that you've tried "shit" lol
1FanDuke 1 month ago
@Rob1pr30 don't say Christianity is fake. The dead sea scrolls prove that the old testament is in fact 99.9%true. The other .01 percent is stray marks. I could give u a whole list man.
tomatosoupist 1 month ago
@tomatosoupist Except for Genesis, which is 100% False. Or only it happened in the mind of it's author
FauxShizzle9 1 month ago
@tomatosoupist you just discredited yourself by "think we came from" in other words you dont know just like every other human being thatd ever lived. its a part of life. not knowing where we came from, where we go when we die and god. not one person knows hence christianity is false. only supernatural events ever are in a book written by people 2000 years ago when they thought the earth was flat. philosofy and science are the truth.
rob1pr30 1 month ago
@Tydye... I really wish that u could talk to my teacher on this subject. How can u not believe that their is a god? Where do you think we came from? Our bodies, for example, are made up of MILLIONS of cells and parts to work with. Seriously??! You think that there could not have a been an intelligent designer on this?!?
tomatosoupist 1 month ago
@tomatosoupist You cannot connect the complexity of the body with God. The body is not proof of God.
AntiTroll101 1 month ago
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hey i just talked to a fairy(person thinks your crazy) : hey i just talked to god(person thinks that normal) FAiTH = excuse to believe in something you know logically you have no evidence for
Faith in god is like believing you can run through brick walls. so Christians, put your faith to test . try and run through brick walls head 1st =D maybe you'll wake up then?! i hope so. lol
TyeDye07 1 month ago
Give Jesus a try at least......how do you know you don't like it if you have never tasted it.
1FanDuke 1 month ago
@1FanDuke taste like shit.
TyeDye07 1 month ago
@1FanDuke What if I grew up Christian? I did believe. And yet I came to the conclusion that there is no god of any sort. Tried, decided against what it claimed, and Feel much better overall and have more meaning in my life. So, how can you not like Atheism if you haven't tried it?
FauxShizzle9 1 month ago
Who the fuck cares? Honestly? Can't for once Atheist just drop it? Believe on what you believe but don't go on being a dick and making pointless arguement over the internet. Honestly shut up. If you met me you wouldn't no if i was a christian only if you bring that up. Same goes for Christians drop it all ready. Like a old saying says "fighting over the internet is like the speacial olympics even if you win you're stilll retarded.
bryanpein 1 month ago
@bryanpein we'll drop it when christians stop fucking with our political system
neonbutterflys 1 month ago
@bryanpein No atheism will not just drop it. I'm not even atheist, as I don't claim to know that there could be no divine power whatsoever. What is total bullshit though is the writings in the bible. For too long the world has been modelled on a fictional novel that does but encourage segragation and division amongst the world's people. Religion has had it's chance and now it's over. The bible has been proved so wrong on so many aspects that it ranks alongside a Jules Verne novel.
13eyeofthebeholder 1 month ago
even though i'm christian, i hv more respect for these athiests who hv reason for their views as oppose to the ones who just keep churning out the same arguments over and over (eg. y does god allow suffering? y doesn't god prove his existance? etc.) simply cos they most likely can't be bothered to believe anything different.
TheBlackFireX 2 months ago
To be honest to keep debating this is sad, you religious lot can slag me off all you want but religion is outdated, we do not live in the middle ages. We understand things now so atheists start appearing because they believe in sense and reason.
ImperialistMillitant 2 months ago
i'm not atheist, but i wish more people are like atheists rather than religious
Casshyr 2 months ago
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Because I understand it is completely illogical to credit a text with information found within. It's like saying I always tell the truth because I say I tell the truth. You can't prove a statement about yourself with your own words.
DestinyBroughtMeHere 2 months ago
Oh nvm 1 of 12 I see it now
xXJakethesnake117Xx 2 months ago
This only showed the atheist side, why is this called a debate
xXJakethesnake117Xx 2 months ago
@queencandice11 im not picking sides here because to pick a side is to prove your ignorance at this moment were there is no real falsification for religion or verification. But atheists do follow what other atheists say, and christians follow what christians say...whats your point? In saying christians do not consider other christians views proves ignorance in that community and no thirst for higher knowledge. To just accept something as a fact without atleast trying to find out more is insane
fushion999 2 months ago
There is a higher probability that their are more uneducated people following christianity vs atheism. I think this can be contributed to the fact that educated people are more prone to believe in certain aspects that apparently contradict religion like evolution because it is a large part of the educated world we live in now days. The simple fact is nature laws constantly changes so you cannot determine the truth based on a model that is incomplete. More knowledge equals more indecision
fushion999 2 months ago
I also apologize for the many posting under the comment sections. The way "Christians" on here respond to many arguments is usually not the way they should. If they are true bible believing Christians, than they would also know that arguments are done with truth and grace -- not by slandering or out to try and make someone feel bad. If you'd like to have an intelligent conversation where someone wants to hear you out on why you believe or don't believe, feel free to message!
musicmann189 2 months ago
I honestly want to apologize for my Christian brethren here. The terrible grammar, spelling, and sentence syntax is grounds enough to think that Christians are stupid. In the case that anyone would like to have an intelligent, scientific christian atheist debate, try me. I won't throw "Because the bible says so" at you. We can keep it completely based on hard proof and evidence. I just feel that the intellectual side of Christianity is seriously underrepresented in this video.
DestinyBroughtMeHere 2 months ago
This is getting boring..what we have makes a lot more sense than what you do. Even if Christianity was a hoax, we still have even more 'coincidences' than you. You lose. You have BEEN losing, and will, in the end, lose again. I'm done here, buddy.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
jesus is lord
eyesopen678 2 months ago
@eyesopen678 - Yeah - Lord of the Stupid.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
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witness n wait very soon every knee will bend and when this comes to pass u will remember this statement and perform it:) GOD BLESS in jesus name amen
eyesopen678 2 months ago
@MidiMurderer i dont agree. i cant really explain fully hear y i disagree bcos theres a limit to the characters. if u want to have a discussion my email is johnscrazyfarm@gmail.com .
johnrogerschristian 2 months ago
I also agree with atheist religion is bull crap, its FAKE, well guess what MAN MADE RELIGION BUT GOD EXISTED BEFORE IT! Christianity is not a religion its a relationship with Jesus christ! Why do you guys constantly attack us? What about Muslims! We are warring with the m RIGHT NOW, read the quaran and see if u will hate them as much as you hate us, oh wait i know why because satan knows which one is true and real so he uses u guys to try to bring us down, u like using logic, well i just did to
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 Jesus is any imaginary friend, like any god thinking that any person can change another persons mind and make anyone any smarter, like knowing how to learn any use of words, its all going to end one day unless we all change our ways within what we are doing to this planet having too many children and not enough jobs which dont pay enough to get along which has been exemplified within any Sermon on the Mount, poverty isnt healthy for any society when it breeds any strife
DrFruedienslip 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - You are a moron.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx explain to me why is that if i was Muslim, Budhist, Hindu, or anything else you guys have little to no problem with me, but since Im christian theres all the sudden a problem, If you actually took the time to study the bible and seek God you will see if it corresponds with history, and dont just go to athestic sites, you will find that the bible contain more credible information than your average history book, it okay ure a human being do what u want, ull except the conequences l8r
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - Because WHO CONTROLS THE ELECTIONS? WHICH RELIGION DO POLITICIANS USE TO GET VOTES? Christianity is not just a religion, it is a political force that unfairly unites people over something that has NO business being in politics. Also, Christians statistically are STUPID. Just enter "IQ vs. Religion" in YouTube now and take a look at the FACTS. Speaking of facts, TRY ADMITTING WHEN YOU ARE WRONG - as you were here about the Earth's orbit being "magical". Again GET AN EDUCATION.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 lol christians like you are funny. your theory to everything is "OMFG! a guy just fell out of the clouds and lived! he must be magical! worship him!" lol. go ahead. debate me.
dUbLePwNeD 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - Also, Atheism is the ABSENCE of religion. Christians are atheists in 99.9999% of the world's religions. You are firmly convinced that all of them are false except your own. Atheists just take it that 0.0001% further and say yours is ALSO primitive nonsense, just like the others. Ask yourself why you refuse to believe in Zeuss. What if THAT was the one true religion, and you burn in hell for having ignored it? It is the same stupid argument Christians use.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx zeuss was a tryant in greek mythology every1 went to hades it didnt mater what happened, so are the othr Gods they are not loving liek the one true God, Primitive? Really? Without Religion u would be living in a cave right not, religion establishes a law, because you have some God altho it may not be the true God, to be accountable too, without a God you will be nothing more than a wildibeast caveman, thers a reason y there is not a single atheistic civilization that survived
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - There was a time in history when religion served a useful purpose. It still does for primitive tribal people. NEWSFLASH: This is the 21st century. It is time to put away childish, primitive mythology and deal with REALITY. You don't believe in Zeuss, or any of the other thousands of religions because there is no evidence for them being true. SAME THING FOR YOUR RELIGION. ZERO evidence - plus it teaches you to not think, and to embrace stupidity.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
Life is not by chance, its too complex, if it was by chance it would be thrown about, there is a devine intelligent being who knows what he is doing he created this world perfectly, be humans messed it up, not God, you wanna use science to disproove my Lord, Did u know if the earth was just a few fractional inces away or towards the sun we would either burn up or freeze to death? The water cycle, water is so pure and complex it supports all life, atheism is a trick by satan, God loves u
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 i agree with you on many levels, im a christian of course. However, remember it's very easy to blame Satan. Satan really just goads you.(Did you know that in Eden the Serpent never lied? He just decieved them.)It's our fault for losing ourselves. Don't blame satan for everything.
yamayama186 2 months ago
@yamayama186 yes ik satan does not technically lie he decieves to make it seem credible but yes, god bless you pray for me please, but God calsl himthe Father of Lies so he is, and it is our faults but its influenced by the enemy, he is very strong today but we wiill always be stronger God bless you
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - this is PURE IGNORANCE. The earth could be plus or minus millions of miles in either direction with no difference. GET AN EDUCATION.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx that is really dumb to say, its scientificlly proven go ask a scientist urself b4 u call me ignorant
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - YOU are the one who is ignorant. The earth could be 4.5 million miles closer to the sun, or 34 million miles further away and still be habitable. YouTube doesn't allow for the posting of links directly, so Google "curious about astronomy 398" and read the first search result from Cornell University of Astronomy. Like I said, GET AN EDUCATION.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - AND OF COURSE NO RESPONSE BACK. This is a perfect example of why many atheists consider Christians to be stupid scumbags. At least have the damned courtesy to admit when you are wrong.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx LOL! What a big ol' YouTube tyrant you are. And you sure are an intelligent 'intellectual' to have resorted to name calling. Smh. Go get a purpose or something. Oh wait, you're wondering aimlessly, derr. What a sad day it will be for...nevermind.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - So I'm a "tyrant" (you are name calling, by the way) because I speak TRUTH and FACTS? Ignorant religious people spread LIES and when they are caught in their lie, they STILL don't change their opinion, let alone admit they were wrong. THIS is exactly why many atheists are fed up with religious assholes. If you refuse to learn, you are actually WORSE than an idiot. At least most idiots are trying. Do you support lies, misinformation and ignorance? If so, then fuck you.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Why so angry? And neurotic? lol Whatever belief you hold isn't working, evidently. Truth and lies, you say? You believe nothing came from nothing and that nothing exploded into and became everything and everywhere for no apparent reason. That's your 'logic'? Clearly, you have flipped the tables of reality. And you mock our belief? Hah! What a knee-slapper.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@MrPlanx That being said, I believe I'll maintain my 'idiocy' rather than becoming an 'intellectual' like yourself. Please, stop before you make any more of a spectacle out of yourself. Or a testicle, rather.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - Just because science can not YET explain the origin of the Universe is absolutely NO reason to jump to the absolute STUPIDEST theory proposed by ancient goat herders that an invisible man in the sky made it happen. It answers NOTHING, because then you are left with an even more bizarre question of where did he come from? Yes, I'm sure you will maintain your idiocy, because that's all you are capable of.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Merry CHRSITmas, Mr. Grinch lol
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive Look how dumb! Can't even spell my own Lord's name! Have fun with that. ;p
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - Glad to say that I moved to a country that doesn't have Christmas. Just New Years. We don't believe in fairy tales. Reality is much better. I grew up in the US, so I can appreciate how difficult it may be for you to think outside of this box, but the world functions on truth and facts, not fantasy and make believe.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Christians ran you completely out of the country? Not surprised. God IS omniscient. So, where are you spreading your evilness now? I'm not clear on what it is you're fighting for exactly. I mean, what is your motivation for persecuting Christianity other than hatred? It surely isn't to help me come to 'knowledge' and possibly convert. Even if I were to be on the fence, I surely wouldn't be convinced or coerced by you simply because of your negative and hateful attitude. All of you alike
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - How exactly would Christians run me out of the country? Good grief. Are you going to be a complete douche bag your whole life? Christianity is for MORONS. They NEED to be laughed at, because they don't respond to logic. They are emotional creatures who don't use their brains, so laughter is the best way to make them aware that they need to get with the program. In that spirit, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Hahaha! I laugh, too. Definitely not with you. Typical atheist. You all are so predictable that it is NOT funny. Once again, your 'logic' is lacking. We are all emotional creatures. Hence, you're idiotic laughter. So that won't suffice for making any type of point. You don't even have the ability to articulate. I would almost be interested in your own personal definition of 'logic' because you seem to have it misconstrued, but I refuse to encourage ignorance.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Had you validated anything other than the point in my own comments, then that may have been a potential 'program' I could "get with". Just avoid the rest that you can't come up with some false sense of 'logic' to justify denial temporarily. Transparency is so tacky. And so is your foul mouth that implies weak form of logic.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - Go ahead. By all means explain the LOGIC that your deity exists. If you can actually do that, then not only will I apologize, but I will never write anything against religion on another message board. Note, though - that YOUR personal ignorance does not constitute evidence or logic of anything. Simply saying that YOU don't understand how the universe could form without a deity is NOT proof of a deity. Go ahead. By all means. I'm listening.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Yawwwn... You can already guess, the basics of at least, what I am going to say. You will respond with something about science and blah, blah, blah. It is utterly pointless. You are spiritually ignorant, period. Blind..dead! The fact is, science never will nor can ever prove the existence of God, let along the non-existence. Fact is, even with your logic, I don't understand how you can be left with so many questions in your logic when we have found the answers. They come a lot closer..
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - You accused me of not being logical. I provided you with an opportunity to show YOUR superior logic. I even offered a pretty good incentive (my promise to never write anything against religion again on a message board) if you could actually "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak, and provide some of your supposed logic. But you have NO logic, and you know it. You accuse ME of name calling, while you say I'm blind and dead. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx Did you just challenge me to a dual? Hahaha!! Sir, I have provided you with numerous opportunities to prove yourself and you done what? Avoided it all costs. Go back and re-read my posts. No more wasting good energy, man. Do you believe in spirituality? I'm pretty sure your answer would be, "No". Therefore, you are spiritually Ignorant- lacking knowledge of; blind, and dead.
killurselfandlive 2 months ago
@killurselfandlive - Oh, you are just now getting that, huh? Yes, I am challenging you. Provide some evidence that justifies your belief in what can not be seen, touched, measured, or relied upon for consistent results. Go ahead. Until you do, you are just another religious moron.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx LOL to bad i was away from the internet, thats the problem with u athesit always assuming you know what we do and beleive u dont know jack about what we feel or do, u justl isten to what other atheist say about christianity, and look at you the potty mouthed little boy attitude with no self controll, who is the stuipid one, i thought ur parents taught u well in your youth? Or maybe u were justto stubborn to listen like now oooo u will see one dday
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
@QueenCandace11 - MORE LIES. I went to your channel on YouTube where it shows your most recent activity. You have been on many times since I posted that. Next are you going to say you didn't write this? What "potty mouth"? MORE HALLUCINATIONS? Words like stupid and moron are not obscenities.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
@MrPlanx too bad this is my SISTERS ACCOUNT AND I DONT USE HERS THAT MUCH BECAUSE ITS HERS, haha, notice the QUEENCANDACE, all im doing is warning u because you are going to see one day, Jesus said to warn, ezekiel said to bl0ow trumpets, since ive warned u ur blood is no longer on my own hands its now ur own
QueenCandace11 2 months ago
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@QueenCandace11 - There is no god and Jesus died about 2000 years ago. GET AN EDUCATION.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
Christians: religion is a test for faith.
Atheist: religion is a test for logic.
omgbannanaful1 3 months ago
atheists ftw!
jpxvp 3 months ago
@jpxvp - Christians, FUBR.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
2:34 is the debate.
As everyone one else seems to be sharing quotes I will to, "There are two types of men in the world; intelligent men without religion, religious men without intelligence."
T4terrible 3 months ago
@T4terrible Religion..Ack! However, "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and the weak to shame the strong." -1 Cor. 1:27. What a sad day it will be for the 'intellectual' ones when they bow looking dumb faced. Just can't mind-play the Omniscient.
killurselfandlive 3 months ago
@killurselfandlive - What a sad day it is EVERY DAY for the dumb ones when they bow before the intellectuals - even though most of them are too dumb to even realize they are bowing.
MrPlanx 2 months ago
Genesis 1:1
HaLltoWN587 3 months ago
miracles do happen but we are so used to it that a lot of miracles are seem as ordinary events. isn't it a miracle to be alive, but we don't see the miracle. your parents give you a shelter? but you can't see it because you aren't in the streets, get it. maybe the time when you spun into ditch on highway and not a scratch on you or your car.
PhainHmoobLee 3 months ago
@PhainHmoobLee If everything is a 'miracle', why bother with the term?
FryderykFChopin 3 months ago
he should have had a bigger bible
Jackson666fan 3 months ago
ATHEISTS NEVER LOSE, IT'S ABOUT TIME ALL CHRISTIANS REALISE THIS MWUHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....MMWWWUUUHHHOOOHOOOHHOOOOOOO...MWWUHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA........
bluffr22 3 months ago
@bluffr22 uhu. i dont detect any scientific argument in that muhaha thingy. get back to me on johnscrazyfarm@gmail wen u have one
johnrogerschristian 2 months ago
@MRfunRSPS hahaha sooo true
TheTrebooor 3 months ago
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish
MRfunRSPS 4 months ago 29
@MRfunRSPS lol! Or die praying that someone would teach him how to fish.
Nocturnalux 3 months ago
@MRfunRSPS Haha I heard that! 'Religion' is a deadly thing! I don't want the fish, the pole, or a religion. I have a Relationship with the Ultimate Fisherman. I'm straight.
killurselfandlive 3 months ago
@killurselfandlive i got most of that but the last part lolz
MRfunRSPS 3 months ago
@MRfunRSPS Sorry, I got excited 0_o.
killurselfandlive 3 months ago
@killurselfandlive wow bro i dont roll that way lol
MRfunRSPS 3 months ago
@MRfunRSPS Smh..Nor do I.
killurselfandlive 3 months ago
@killurselfandlive thats good
MRfunRSPS 3 months ago
@MRfunRSPS you do know thats only the idiot thinking everything should be handed to him right?
yamayama186 2 months ago
@yamayama186 okay then if it is give me 2 things
1:give me scientific proof that your "god" is real
2:what came first the chicken or the egg?
MRfunRSPS 2 months ago
@MRfunRSPS scientific proof i guess would most obviously be the origin of all things, nothing can make nothing(before you say where did your God come from, you shuld know that he wouldn't be much of a God if he was created. Creator not the created. Plus the neat and awesome alignment of the planets is anouther thing. wow an explosion placed everything just far and close enough in every perfect way. Intelligent design. And the chicken. because if egg came first, no one could nurture it. duh.
yamayama186 2 months ago
@yamayama186 and the egg would die. This is why God created Adam and Eve in their prime, so that they would have at least some self reliance.
yamayama186 2 months ago
@yamayama186 Well why cant an explosion put all the planets in a neat awesome alignment it could happen?
Good i too think the chicken came first because the chicken evolved from fish or another type of bird
MRfunRSPS 2 months ago
U DUMG MIRACLES DONT ACTUALLY MEAN ONLY SUPER PHYSICAL OR SCIENCE DENYING BUT ACTUALLY ABOVE THE UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLANATION OF MANKIND AT THE TIME OF HAPPENING. IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME 150 YEARS BACK TALKING ON CELL PHONES LIKE THIS WOULD BE A MIRACLE...U GET MY POINT..
MrAligauhar 4 months ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 4 months ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 4 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 4 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 4 months ago
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 4 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
Mogley52 4 months ago
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
Mogley52 4 months ago
@Mogley52 Obvious mistake that people dont understand. We didnt literally morph from species to species. Two species mated to form another kind, which mated with something else to form another and so on until, you guessed it, the same thing happened with chimpanzees and then we were made. I find Evolution easier to believe than the idea that a supernatural being created everything on this Earth and fixes your life magically when you pray to him.
KrazyAssWhiteBoy21 4 months ago
@KrazyAssWhiteBoy21 humans are not monkeys and did not come from monkeys. look there are different types of kats, different types of monkey birds and humans. you really believe two monkey fuk and made a human? or a human caught an ape and freak with it? come on that's ridiculous do you know how hard it is to catch a chimp, do you bride it with bananas haha.
PhainHmoobLee 3 months ago
@PhainHmoobLee Humans and apes/monkeys came from the same ancestor. it wasnt an ape, nor was it fully human.
TheHobbsicle 3 months ago
@TheHobbsicle true
Ipowne3g 3 months ago
@PhainHmoobLee That was not hoow it happened, it took time, each generation the next monkey became alittle more unlike their parents
Ipowne3g 3 months ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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INTELLIGENT DESIGN ON ANOTHER PLANET? Imagine finding a planet where robots are programmed to make other robots just like themselves from raw materials. Now, imagine an alien scientist visiting the planet and, after studying these robots, comes to the conclusion that because science can explain how these robots work, function, and reproduce there's no reason to believe there was an intelligent designer behind them! Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or a cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER CREATED LIFE. And, even if they do it won't be by chance but by intelligent design. By genetically engineering already existing forms of life, scientists have produced new forms of life, but they did not produce these new life forms from non-living matter. Even in synthetic life, scientists design and build DNA from scratch, through intelligent design, and then insert their man-made DNA into an already living cell. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
Mogley52 4 months ago
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
Mogley52 4 months ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 4 months ago
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 4 months ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 4 months ago
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless.
Mogley52 4 months ago
All you earthists are going to HELL
theUSER101 4 months ago
Hey, an atheist vs christian debate at an university. This should have some intelligent discus--
>South Carolina
...oh god.
Hotdog40404040404 4 months ago 15
@Hotdog40404040404
T1 equals T1 eternal time. Within T1 you do not have T2, therefore, there is no motion within T1 yet. Since T1 is eternal time, that's where everything began. So, since time is also a description, and since descriptions describe information, then, eternal time equals eternal non-physical description of time.
itakeudown 3 months ago
@hotdog
So, within T1 eternal time, you do not have any T2, therefore, you do not have any dimensions nor motion within T1. Since you can have time without motion within T1, but you cannot have T1 through T2 motion and physical dimensions within T1.
So, T1 eternal time, has no physical beginning dimensions and also does not have any natural forward dimensionsal time, since_finite time equals T1 through T2, and T1 through T2 equals finite time, NOT eternal time.
itakeudown 3 months ago
So, the question is, since the Conervation of Energy also projects information, and since the 1st Law of Thermodynamics declares the E & M cannot be created nor destroyed, then naturally, the projected information within energy (dimensional waves) can also be described as non-created, nor destroyed.
So, within the potential T1 state, you have_unmoveable potential information, and energy exists within T2, via kinetic state by moving from the_unmotion T1 state towards through T2.
itakeudown 3 months ago
@itakeudown you said so much about nothing
Raraisme 3 months ago
@Raraisme
Allow me to break it down for you. The Conservation of Energy requires a potential point, PE(i), which does not pocess any motion. The KE(i) is the kinetic(motion), so, you have PE(i) +KE(i) = PE(f) +KE(f)= Conservation of Energy.
The big bang began from T1 and expanded towards T2. That is PE(i) through T2 _KE(i). So, the big bang cannot pocess any KE(i) witihin the initial T1(Big Bang) location, since_motion only occurs "after" expansion from T1 through T2 occurs.
itakeudown 3 months ago
@Raraisme
Can you have dimensions before the big bang? No. Can you have motion before the big bang? No. Why not? Since the big bang began from T1, there wasn't any motion until_T2 via expansion of the big bang. In short, you cannot create a "dimension" without a line. You cannot create a dimesion without an expansion from T1 through T2.
T1 is the potential_unmoveable state, before the big bang, and T2 is the kinetic state_after the big bang. You cannot also have "density" before BB.
itakeudown 3 months ago
@Hotdog40404040404 this is gonna sound dumb, but is SC dumb or somthin?
yamayama186 2 months ago
@ChrisRHughes I think we can both agree that man is a personal creature. It loves, hurts, is angered, etc. I am trying to show you that if man is truly a personal being it must've had a personal beginning. Then i went on to try to show the logical extension of the removal of the "mannishness" of man ie personality, what makes man man.
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 If God created all the other animals would their "non-personal" attributes necessitate a non-personal creator? Do you see the fallacy in your argument from this perspective? Also, what about other creatures who experience personality like dogs and dolphins?
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Lets look at it this way: a pesronal human, can create another personal human, or an impersonal machine, i.e a computer. However, an impersonal computer can create other impersonal things, but not a personal humna. So if we start with a personal Creator we can explain both personal and nonpersonal creatures
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 If you want to define a personal creator that way, then fine. People on your end of the spectrum like to define God in which ever way fills the most gaps, which, I believe, you have done very well here. However, what would you say about life that is neither personal nor impersonal, such as a bacterium? We also know that amino acids (impersonal) can form life (personal), how does that affect your analogy?
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes What gives you the idea that if something can create something both personal and impersonal, that it cannot create something that is neither? It is like looking at everything man has created and saying, yeah but i bet you can't do that... To answer your question God chose to make man personal and rocks impersonal and everything else in between
Steelers2417 4 months ago
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ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 I would argue that the entire idea of "personal" creation is nonsense because it cannot be demonstrated.
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes I have proven a need for personality, just as scientist have proven a need for "Dark Matter".
Steelers2417 4 months ago
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ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
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@Steelers2417 When did we start talking about dark matter? Or is that illusory to how you haven't demonstrated the necessity for personality?
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 What are you trying to say? How has he removed meaning from his life? I'm sure you've heard, life is what you make it. By accepting naturalism, it does not preclude meaning to one's life. At least, I think that's what you're trying say?
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
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@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Now lets look at the dichotomy i mentioned. Christopher Hitchens loves literature. It is his passion, but my question is why? If he has removed any meaning or purpose to this life and if man is only part of the machine and subject to an autonomous nature, then why engage in it? He would likely say because it is where he finds pleasure and enjoyment and purpose in his life. This statement is irrational, because he has already removed any sense of meaning in the name of rationalism
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Now I want to look at the dichotomy i was describing. Christopher Hitchens loves literature, it is his lifes greatest passion, but my question is why? If this life is absurd and without meaning and we as humans are ultimately hopeless, a part of the machine, why engage in anything. His answer would be that this is where he finds meaning and pleasure, but to say that is either irrational or impossible since he has alreday removed the possibility of meanng under the banner of logic
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Let me attempt to systematically break down what I am trying to say about mankind. Man is born a personal being, therefore he must interact with his surroundings and engage in that which brings him pleasure. This is because man is made in the image of a personal Creator. Now if we remove the personal, we are left with the impersonal+time+chance creating the personal. This view is irrational, that the impersonal could create the personal. *Cont*
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 Are you fucking serious? This is the third time you've attempted to explain some empty rhetoric with odd word usage and complemented with absurd and nonsensical terms like "personal Creator" which you haven't clearly defined and merely asserted. You some how necessitate a "personal" attribute to mankind, without showing what that is or how all other possibilities are erroneous and are thus subject to mocking laughter. *tehe* *taha*
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 Your brain (conscience) is the faculty by which you observe you the world and can comment on one's own existence. It doesn't matter how accurately you percieve the world, that's not what I commented on and is a different question entirely. You assume hope is neccessary, again more empty language that doesn't really explain anything. What exactly are you trying to say about mankind here? Existence is both rational and irrational, this isn't a true dichotomy.
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes I would disagree because the man who halucinates is conciouss, and yet what he sees in the world around him is not real. Also if we look at Descartes "I think therefore I am statement" closely, he too relies on rationality. Regarding modern man you have seemed to missed my point. My point is that within the bubble of rationality he is hopeless, so he must step out of it at times to achieve a certain sense of fulfillment, a dichotomy... Good for you, best of luck with that
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes For modern man, who has no hope of meaning, all of these things are irrational, because they are used to give hope that he has no foundation for. This can be seen in the paintings of Picasso and Da Vinci, who died in the agony of a life depraved of hope. I would encourage you to read Francis Schaeffers "The God who is there", or "Escape from Reason" to show you the despair of modern man
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes I am not saying that existence is dependent on rationality but rather that without rationality we have no reason to believe we exist. The word existence has no meaning if not in the light of nonexistence. For the modern man, man is a machine. He is trapped in the world that surrounds him and lives his life in the light of his inpending doom. Whatever he uses to try and take his mind off it(art, music, literature etc.) he is still trapped in his reality of what is. *Cont.*
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 No, without conscienceness we have no reason to believe we exist. It is the faculty which allows us to observe rationality and is therefor the independent variable in this premise. Your sermon on the depravity and hopelessness of modern man is fantastic and all but is rhetorical and doesn't say anything useful nor posit any particular view that is meaningful, it is rather nonsensical. I am 22 and pursuing a double major in computer science and philosophy.
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Thats a cop out, you can't explain something so you wish it away. Rationality is a very real fact thats standing in front of you. Regarding morals you have still failed to show that people would act in a moral way regardless if it was beneficial to them. Oh, by the way to say rationality exists, is to say it doesnt not exist, antithesis....rationality...you cant escape it :)
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 Yes rationality exists, however, existence is not the dependent variable on rationality. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear the first time. People don't act in a moral way, that wasn't my contention to even begin with, how did you get to assuming that? Sure, thats proving a negative by placing it in a positive form, i.e--two negatives make a positive; see you did learn something in math class. In this instance there are things that r both rational and irrational, there antithesis fails
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes Without rationality, we don't even exist because existence only holds value when it is contrasted to non-existence. Irrationality says it doesn't matter if i hit the old lady with my car on help her across the street, as long as i act. Why are you even gonna respond to this if youre aren't convinced that I am wrong and youre right(antithesis)
Steelers2417 4 months ago
@Steelers2417 Rationality exists in its present state that mandates this requirement, however, we don't know what laws, if any, were in place prior to the beginning of the universe. Again the irrationality, with regard to morals, that I spoke of was directly related to the measurable return of survivability from any given act and in that, the biological mechanism responsible for "morality" does not innately measure the outcome, thus irrationality, or in other words, is inefficient.
ChrisRHughes 4 months ago
@ChrisRHughes If the trait is inherrited, then at one point it must have been beneficial to our survival to help that old lady, and as we have already discussed it is not beneficial to our survival. So if you want to say we help those who help us as a result of a trait that once helped us survive, fine, but u can't make that connection to our discussion. Btw shouldn't we have grown out of it, since its no longer needed? And if its a universal thing, then why do most not adhere to