@chevychevelle111 At least 2 seconds yes, but if they are being so official about their time so they can sell more cars, at least do the test properly. and 2 seconds is a countable difference in performance. This time should be 7.21 or 7.22.
@ChristoMafesto yes, you are right.....did u see the lap of the z06? it´s 2 seconds slower than the zr1, i think that for having a supercharged engine it´s a really poor lap, or maybe a very good one for the Z06
@ChristoMafesto "Does not look legit. The timer starter at a different point , then where the timer stopped"
The starting/stopping points used in this video are relatively standard points due to where you enter/exit the track when youve got use of the full lap. These points have become so commonly used by most sources that theyre fairly standard now when talking about lap times. The times you see for the Vettes, Viper, Lfa, Gtr, any *many* others, all use these points.
@ChristoMafesto (pt2) But dont take my word for it- Just check out a few of the videos. Admittedly now *all* use these, and some do indeed use a full lap (check out some particular zonda videos, as reference), but the vast majority? They all use these spots for the start/stop of the clock now.
@janusha - Google: "BBC Testing times at the Nurburgring." The heads of Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Lotus all speak of the importance of the Nurburgring in their car development and testing. According to your logic, they must all be American companies as I'm just flag waving.
You are wrong. You post bullshit and half truths to justify your indefensible stance. Try a little research, might help you with that Down's syndrome image you convey.
@janusha - Here's a few more for you. LP 700, LP 560, C63 AMG Black, M3 GTS, Carrera S, 458, MP4-12C, CCX, Viper ACR, LFA, GTR, WRX, ZR1, Z06, ZL1, CTS-V, Zonda R, 599XX, SR8, etc, etc. Hahahaha.
As for Bugatti - that sums you up perfectly, only a true moron would include the Veyron in the list above. You're right on one thing though - the Ring is a TEST TRACK. It's also a race track - in case you didn't know, oh and its 2nd highest source of revenue is from manufacturers buying test time.
@janusha - Wow, you really aren't too bright. Show you Ferrari's benchmark time? Look at the video to the right titled "599XX Sets New Record." You can also look up Pagani Zonda R, Lexus LFA, Nissan GTR, etc. etc. etc.
Oh, and by the way - it's not flag waving. I'm a huge fan of the Corvette, just as I am a huge fan of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, etc. The 'Ring lap time competition is good for everyone as it makes for better cars - except maybe you.
Haha etc etc is always nice to add when the list runs out. So Ferrari ran their FXX Racecar there once... Therefore the Ring is some international benchmark where we all go to see whats best and somehow... Americans ran off with all the gold medals right ? This is a pissing contest between Nissan and the americans. And now Lexus had a go. Because the Japs have no racing heritage that we can relate to. The Ring is a test track and a tourist attraction. And now american media hype.
As for Vipers... They were down to a couple of hundred cars a year and was officially ended in 2007 and put up for sale. This is widely documented. Thats why there is no 2007 model. However they turned it into a racecar and did the media stunt at the Ring which gave them enough publicity and attention to continue the Viper for another few seasons while trying to sell the brand off. Their bankruptcy papers showed a mere 16 million in revenue which isnt going to keep anyone in business.
We all know the god damn Ring is a test track. It has been for decades. Porsche has had permanent test facilities there for 50 fucking years. The track has been there for damn near 100 years and now americans come along and try to teach us what it is ?
You are quoting tourists in their own god damn cars and car magazines doing their own little test runs. In full public with other drivers on the road. Try to get into the topic before posting bullshit please. Youre hurting my brain.
@janusha As for factory race crews for ‘Ring lap times, here’s a little info for ya. The reason the C6 is so strong on the ‘Ring is because the final 6 months of development and tuning for the Z06 took place in Nurburg. Chevrolet believes the track is the ultimate challenge for a road-going performance car so they chose it as the location to finish the stock tune and set up for the car. Therefore, the Z06 and ZR1 are set up from the showroom to perform on the Nordschleife.
"Chevrolet believes" These are key words. Or more accurately Chevrolet wants YOU to believe.
The reality of it is that nobody actually does this. The idea of the Ring as some kind of "international benchmark" is an all american misconception, wild claim, myth. Show me Ferraris "benchmarked" laps so we can compare the times. You cant.. Cause they dont exist. Lambo, Lotus, Koenigsegg, Aston, NONE of the big names do this shit. Get it into your flagwaving head. This is a media stunt.
@Janusha are you FOR REAL????!!!!!! How ignorant can you get? !?!?Theyre the ones who started all this crap you moron. Are you new to the car world or what? Bugatti did it, Koenigsegg did it, Ferrari DEFINITELY did it, Pagani ESPECIALLY, Lamborghini, lotus,NISSAN, I mean how retarded and blind are you? GO on wikipedia and look at the Nurburgring Track times, they have cars from every manufacturer you named! lmao You are a complete and utterly useless tool! You just hate America lmao.
@Janusha lmao the complete stupidity of your comments make me rofl. Sure ferrari and porsche did this years ago but those were race only cars...the whole point is that these are PRODUCTION cars. Vauxhall made a nurburgring TRACK EDITION corsa for gods sake! All manufacturers do it... I find it especially funny how you try to pass off as smart and educated. A real critical thinker you must be lmao. I weep for the ignorant who let hate blind them haha
As for my music... Charming of you to try and discredit me with my gfs music.. She likes weird stuff. So what.
Why dont you show me these Bugatti, Ferrari, Koenigsegg official "benchmarked" Ring runs. What most of you bewildered fuckwits dont understand is that the Ring is a tourist attraction where people come in THEIR OWN cars, pay 20 Euro and have a go at the Ring. If some guy with HIS OWN CAR went there, Ferrari or Koenigsegg, that does NOT make the ring a benchmark. Idiot.
You mean they wanted to attract attention to their vehicle by showing how quickly it can go around the nurburgring? Great deduction Holmes, how ever did you manage to deduce this one? Yes- It was a media stunt. So what? Are you stating that this is proof that they lied in any way shape or form?
@Janusha "The idea of the Ring as some kind of 'international benchmark' is an all american misconception"
Actually its a "misconception" of just about any nation that has a huge following of cars. America, Britain, Japan, etc. "Americans" are far from the only ones in the world who admire the difficulty the nurburgring holds.
They werent trying to show how fast their car would go. They wanted to see how far you could push the thing with a full factory backed race crew and race mods while at the same time getting away with it. Which is why there were no press invited, no witnesses, no pictures. Today when every phone has a camera and NONE of them took pictures. And then they tell us how its "Europes own benchmark" and how they beat the Europeans at "their own game" christ...
We had the Ring for nearly 100 years and now every bewildered flagwaving fool on a constant basis on EVERY car related topic. The answer is always the same OMG YOU HATE AMERICA and OH YEAH WE BEAT YOU ALL AT THE RING... Its this heavy reliance on bullshit instead of actually building the real thing, that keeps these cars from selling abroad. Where people arent as ready to eat the american cheese.
Inspite of big claims, Viper still died cause nobody actually bought any.
@Janusha "They wanted to see how far you could push the thing with a full factory backed race crew and race mods"
You like to bring up how all these cars had "factory backed race crews!" as if this somehow alters the potential of a vehicle. Can you explain why it matters? Now "race mods" would indeed alter the potential of the vehicle, can you elaborate on what "Race mods" it had, and how you know it had them? Thanks.
@Janusha "Which is why there were no press invited, no witnesses, no pictures"
No witnesses? No Pictures? Only if you close your eyes Champ. KGP was there releasing spy-shots and rough-lap times it was doing of the vette on the ring *long* before any announcement was made of it being there and what its times were . (pt1 witness)
@Janusha (pt2 witness) BTG was also there taking/releasing spy shots of the vehicle as it was being tested on the track- Releasing articles about the car with details about the lap times it was doing (discussing how a helicopter was following it). The only one this all seems to be a "Secret" to is you Janusha. This was found within 30 seconds of searching. Your willful ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
@janusha - you're excused - you're slow, we understand. The "Viper" didn't go bankrupt; Dodge, who is owned by Fiat (like Ferrari) is introducing the 2013 Viper shortly.
@Janusha - great job demonstrating how little knowledge you have - keep it up! Not only has the Corvette C6 (Z06, Z06/Z07 and ZR1) lapped Nurburgring at a pace that is faster than any road legal European car (Excluding the Radical and Donkerpoop(road-going go-karts.)) but you seem to have forgotten another dreaded, ghastly American car - the Viper. Regardless, if the Corvette's unofficial 'Ring performance isn't good enough, let's talk “real racing” then. How about we start with Le Mans?
Excuse me... Didnt the Viper go bankrupt because nobody actually bought one? Its amazing how every god damn flagwaving fuckwit is throwing those bullshit Ring laps around as if they actually have relevance. Show me what "records" these jokers claim to have beaten. Show me who ELSE sends factory backed race crews to the Ring to "benchmark" their cars. This is bullshit american hype. Wave your flags at home where atleast you dont get contradicted.
It would have been a lovely video if it had been all engine and no yammering public relations flack droning on and on about shit nobody cares about or that could have been placed in the uploader's description section.
Delete the big mouth from the video and let's hear the run.
Top contender to the ZR1 ? For fucks sakes... Every single one out of the 100 different currently available GT car, Sportscar, Track car, Supercar, Hypercar out of Europe... All get compared to the god damn Corvette. Not because they appeal to the same customer or is at all comparable but because quite frankly... America offers nothing else that can be compared.
Its just a 7 years old plastic wedge with a huge engine that is only "best in the woooorld" with a bucket of patriotism.
@Janusha "Its (the corvette) just a 7 years old plastic wedge with a huge engine"
Apologies- Im under the impression you think the c6 vette is using "old" technology and is merely a "big engine". May I ask whats old about the design of its aluminum monocoque chassis, or magnesium engine subframe? Maybe its ceramic brakes, or magnetic shocks used with its short/long arm aluminum front/rear double-wishbone control arms? You know- Specifics. If im under the wrong conclusion I apologize.
You know I dont dive into the nerdy details. However I had to go check out this Magneride. Since that is the single most overhyped part of the entire US car industry these days. Myths running wild everywhere. Its all clever and shit. Using iron particles in the brake fluid that form strands when subjected to electric current thereby changing viscosity on the run.
However this turns out to be a Russian patent from the 1940s. Used alot in heavy industry.
Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China and sold to GM. And other companies. In commercials GM claim to have PIONEERED it... They cleverly avoid saying GM developed it because they didnt. They let the flagwaving masses come to that misconception by themselves.
This is exactly like when GM fanboys claimed ownership of Brembo brakes when Brembo turned up on the list of GM subcontractors when GM wanted the same brakes on their ZR1 as was on the 10 years older Enzo.
@Janusha "Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China... in commercials GM claim to have PIONEERED it"
Because they did. The company located in Beijing who currently makes the systems you speak of is Magneride, They attained the system from the company who FIRST developed it- Delphi. Delphi was formed by? GM back in 94. Granted then they were ACG, and didnt rename the division to Delphi until a year later. Recap. Developed by Delphi, sold to Beijing, sold to others.
@Janusha In the end Janusha youve answered nothing. Either you DO have proof they "cheated" & modified the car with "mad tyte nurburg RACE MAWDS!", or you DONT. Which is it? Rhetorical question slugger, we know you dont. Youve never had proof & you never will. We all know youre fully of shit in the end. Ill gladly give you the whole "theres fanboys in america" & "Fanboyz is t3h stoopidz & sucks" thing- Ill even give you that these were media stunts. But thats not proof they cheated.
@Janusha Who cars if Ferrari and Porsche did 7s and 8s on the ring back in the 80s, those were race cars, not built for the street. Today we have the ZR1 which does the ring in 7:19 and it's fully drivable in every day life....nuff said
@Janusha ""You know I dont dive into the nerdy details"
Often because you *cant*. Its far easier to make accusations and empty claims than it is to actually do proper research. Why verify results when you can just postulate conspiracy theories and say "Enh, they cheated". "Can you prove they cheated?". "Of course not, but they did!".
@Janusha "However this turns out ot be a Russian patent from the 1940s"
Can you link us to this source? I searched for every combination of terms I could think of to find exactly what you were on about here- All I can find however is that you made this *Very* same post on autoguide on a commercial talking about Cadillac and Ferrari, and simply copied/pasted it to me here on youtube. Good job on that btw, seriously.
Point is.. Both Ferrari and GM dont make suspension. GM, Ferrari and everyone else buys their suspension, brakes and all kinds of shit from external companies. Its WILDLY misleading to spend millions of dollars running add campaigns where they tell shady stories to the public. Knowing full well the all american tradition for creating myths and stories, will do the rest. This heavy reliance on complete, unchecked bullshit is why US cars stay in the US.
out any red line to go with when you spam me an essay. But really. Suspension fluids is the new battlement?... Does it REALLY have to get this nerdy? Now they have a whole nation spamming the net, claiming ownership over what is essentially a 1940s Russian patent. Sure its all clever and shit but really.. Is there nothing else to get all excited over? At what point does it ever get embarrassing? How is this any different from when Corvette fanboys claimed Brembo brakes were GM tech.
And yes I left this same message there on the Autoguide thing under my own name exactly for this reason. As always Im surprised when I can so easily find this information and none of you flagwavers can. If you took 1 hand off the flag and actually tried, im pretty sure you could. But faith and belief is so much more fun and interesting than reality and facts. In the case for these lame Nurburgrings, its the desperate LACK of proof that makes it all fall apart.
Your endless onslaught of bullshit and bigotry never ceases to amaze me. I simply ask you for your sources (Which you have not *once* ever shared) that drew you to your conclusions, and instead of giving them up you ramble on about how I must be a flag-waving chest-thumping overly patriotic american? Again, theres little surprise. Youre a coward. Why *answer* questions when you can just simply make *more* assertions, right Janusha?
@Janusha "its the desperate LACK of proof that makes it all fall apart"
You'd need Janusha-Grade delirium enduing Conspiracy-serum injected into your eyes to assert theres a "desperate lack of proof" and miss all the proof there is. For example- THIS VIDEO of a Zr1 doing *absolutely nothing* out of the ordinary that any factory Zr1 is capable of. You obviously disagree with this- Guess What champ, your case would be VERY easy to support (pt1 support)
@Janusha (pt2) Youve got over 7 minutes of footage of the vehicle in question accelerating, braking, and handling. All you, as a highly delusional conspiracy theory weaving flag-burning bigot, needs to do- Is demonstrate that it exceeds the factory capabilities ANYWHERE in this video. Use references to show "It cant accelerate that fast", or "Stop that fast" or "cant exert g forces that high" or.. Well you get the idea. All these "numbers" are easy to find. But heres the thing
@Janusha (pt3 support) We both know you wont- For 2 reasons. 1, We both know youd rather be a pathetic coward and simply make more bigot assertions instead of taking the 5 minutes itd take to properly support your delusional conspiracy norwegian myth-theories, and 2, Because we both know it *didnt* do anything out of the ordinary- And simply put, you *cant* support such a claim. By all means though- I strongly encourage you to prove me wrong, on both cases.
@SidewaysGts Well said. But I don't know if I'd put even that much effort into countering the obvious bullshit this guy "Janusha" spreads around, which I've noticed on other videos. The guy is either a troll, has an axe to grind over certain cars for some reason, or both.
@Janusha "claiming ownership over what is essentially a 1940s russian patent"
Again- When searching for where you were coming from on this all I found was some posts made by you that you ended up copy/pasting here. Instead of criticizing someone for being unable to find "your sources", but not simply divulge with us *your sources* to support this claim? Id like to read what you actually read to drew you to this conclusion. I didnt know they had such computers in the 40s.
@Janusha "Its WILDLY misleading to spend millions of dollars running add campaigns when they tell shady stories to the public"
I hope youll excuse my disagreeing here- But I see nothing "misleading" nor "shady" about a Company stating they pioneered a specifice piece of technology when it was developed by a daughter company *They themselves started*.
Have you ever wondered.... If this thing really was anything like your american hype tells us it is, then why isnt it an international success ? Corvette is down to 1100-1400 cars a month in USA and sells 0 in the rest of the world where forexample Porsche sells 120 000 a year. You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute Ring ready car when you buy a Corvette at the dealers. You cant claim BOTH cheap AND best. Its not magic.
@Janusha "Corvette is down to 1100-1400 cars a month... porsche sells 120,000 a year"
Janusha- Did you just compare a *single* limited production sports car, to the sales numbers of an *entire* company? Youd need janusha-grade delirium inducing conspiracy-theory bigot serum injected into your eye balls to think that was relevant.
@Janusha "You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute ring ready car when you buy a corvette at the dealers"
Pray tell janusha, enlighten us- What DO you think a stock straight off the show-room floor corvette WOULD actually do on the ring? Now, more importantly, tell us why you think so.
@Janusha This video is proof that Americans are owning the ring, you're just a butthurt fanboy who's made because we know what we're doing :) Viper ACR 7:12 Z06 7:22 ZR1 7:19 Nuff said
*waits for idiot to insert reply consisting of "Corvette had non-street legal tires* haha well too bad the tires are DOT and have TREAD...nuff said
Ferrari did 7 minute runs on the Ring 40 years ago. Porsche did 6 minute laps in the early 80s. What exactly is your point ? This idea of the Ring as some "international benchmark" where we all go to see whats best and along comes the americans and ALL claim wooooorld records after renting the track for a weekend... This is an all american myth.
What records do they ACTUALLY claim to have "broken" ? What OTHER cars go to the Ring to benchmark anything except Nissan and the americans ?
I was never sure about running DOT Competition tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup ZP on the street. They only have a tread wear rating of 80, which is typical for a DOT COMP. My understanding also is that they are more prone to heat cycle than your Extreme performance tire which one usually chooses for dual street/ trackday duty.
Its amazing.. We had the Nurburgring for the better part of 100 years. And now every american fool tells us this is some kind of "international benchmark" and that somehow Corvette, Viper, hell even Cadillac came along and won gold fucking medals or something. And they believe it... They believe it without the slightest bit of proof or reality because an american will never question any "fact" that puts their steel above its competition.
@Janusha "And now every american fool tells us this is some kind of 'international benchmark' and.."
Well stop talking to fools. Problem solved. American car enthusiasts are just one group of *numerous* others around the world that view the nurburgring with a hefty amount of renown. And for good reason, its an impressive track- And for numerous reasons its unique on this planet. Why does this bother you so much?
@Janusha "And they believe it..without the slightest bit of proof or reality because an american will never question any 'fact' that puts their steel above its competition"
Prejudice much champ? Again its because of things like this that I know youre an ignorant, biased, prejudice bigot.
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lol lfa is faster by 7 sec but its 4wd 300k price tag, if corvette have a better driver it could probobly do better plus u could spend 50k on upgrades and save the 150+k money for food etc.
@jdnic1 "lol lfa is faster by 7 sec but... if corvette have a better driver.. etc"
Are you implying Jim did an inadequate job? If not, couldnt the same be said about the lfa? "What if the lfa had a better driver". You do also realize the Vettes time was conducted on Michelin Sport-Pilot Cup ZPs, while the LFA was on Potenza Re070s, right? The MSPCZPs have a UTQG of <80. The Potenzas are just shy of -double- that at 140. Th LFAs performance exceeds the Vettes more than you credit/Know.
@TheDubeo "The nurburgring lfa was a limited production of 50 cars... its not a production car like the zr1"
2 things- A, What exactly is a "production" car, can you define that for me? Secondly- What exactly is your point? If youre telling me that the zr1 is made in higher numbers than the lfa- Then yes, I know this- But "so what"?
@SidewaysGts the nurburg lfa is LIMITED production car set up just for the ring..hello?the zr1 is a regular production car..its not a special limited production car..but im sure the lingenfelter zr1 would do even better..
@TheDubeo "THe nurburg lfa is LIMITED production car set up just for the ring.. hello"
Yes- Hello. I hear you. I just dont know what youre getting at. Yes its a limited production vehicle that had some minor adjustments for the ring- What of it?
@TheDubeo "the zr1 is a regular production car..its not a special limited production car"
Sorry- I still dont know what a "regular production" car is. Can you please explain what makes any vehicle a "regular production car" or not? The term is vague at best and has no actual accepted meaning by any large body of peers that I am aware of. I'd merely like to know what the term means to you so that I can be clear were on the same page. Thanks.
@SidewaysGts i told you already..you dont know what limited means?im saying the zr1 is off the regular gm production line and the nurburg lfa is set up just to run the ring..get it?good.
@TheDubeo "I told you already..you dont know what limited means? im saying the zr1 is off the regular gm production lin...get it?good"
Actually as far as IM concerned the zr1 is nothing more than a limited production Corvette- So no, I dont "get it". Sure the n-spec lfa is "more" limited, but isnt that semantics? & Yes- you told me what you thought the cars were, you however have not (and still havnet) defined your vague terms. Simply define them if you can please.
@SidewaysGts get over it and the zr1 is not a limited production car like the nurburg lfa(50 built)..the nurburg lfa can run other tracks ofcourse..but hence its name"nurburg lfa"..it was built up to break the nurburg production car record..but its not even a true production car..facts are facts..now u want to say "so what"..so what if gm sent the carbon fiber or lingenfelter vettes?they are not real production cars either.
@SidewaysGts In the end all youve managed to state was the obvious- Yes they made more ZR1s than the N-Spec LFA. In the end, youve still brought nothing of interest to the table. Yes they made more of them, "So what". Like you've said, facts ARE facts. All I've done is put the facts down. The N-Spec LFA *IS* faster than the poster I was originally talking to, gave credit for. Nothing more. Nothing Less. Now take your own advice and "get over it" Champ.
@SidewaysGts you fool..i already told you..you keep saying the same bs..so if its not ment to run the nurburgring then why is it fucking called the lfa nurburgring edition for?!like i said chevy has faster and lighter vettes then the zr1..but they are limited production..special editions..thats the facts ok..now go fuck yourself..loser.
@TheDubeo "Why is it fucking called the lfa nurburgring edition for?"
Because it employs changes that were inspired by the LFA used in the 24-hours of lemans. The changes are a front splitter with canards, a faster shifting transmission, an adjustable (key word- adjustABLE, not adjustED) suspension, and a few extra hp. There is *nothing* about these changes/set up that dictate in any way shape or form its "set up for the ring" by any stretch of the imagination. Savvy?
@SidewaysGts u take half of what i write and try to act like im asking u a question?come on guy the fact is the lfa nurburgring edition was built up to run the ring the zr1 is not..its just a stock production car..end of story..now is chevy want to bring out a special edition zr1 made for the ring it would be a different story.
@TheDubeo "come on guy the fact is the lfa nurburgring edition was built up to run the ring"
No, its not. Its built to run anywhere. There is zero about its set up that is "optimized" in any way shape or form for the actual nurburgring. Its name pays respect to the vehicle it got some enhancement modifications from, not where it gets the actual set up of its parts.
@TheDubeo "the zr1 is not (a car built specifically to run the nurburgring)..end of story..now is chevy want to bring out a special edition zr1 made for the ring it would be a different story"
You mean if things were different, theyd be different? Surely you jest, do go on! Do you bake cookies too? Your brownies are so delicious.
@SidewaysGts yea its not set up for the ring huh? they call it the lfa nurburgring edition for nothing..lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!get a life kid..your full of shit.
@TheDubeo "its not set up for the run huh? They call it the lfa nurburgring edition for nothing..lmfao!!!"
Never stated it wasnt called the Nurburgring edition for nothing. I stated its not called the nurburgring edition because it was "Set up" to run the ring. Again champ- It uses enhancements from the LFA that raced in the 24-hours of lemans. Enhancements that work equally well everywhere. You *could* argue the actual suspension set-up, but thats not even optimized for the ring.
Again with the personal attacks? I can only be thankfully your trash talking is about as sharp as your rebuttals. Be careful while wielding those butter knives, you might put an eye out.
@TheDubeo "You fool...is it fucking... now go fuck yourself loser"
My my such strong words. It speaks volume about an individual when theyve nothing left to bring to the table other than foul language and childish names. Might want to consider growing up one of these days- It helps your credibility.
@SidewaysGts lexus took a lfa.. set it up to run the ring and called it the lfa nurburgring edition but you try to say otherwise ..wtf?yea its made to run laguna secca..lol!
What the americans did was to take Corvettes, Vipers, Cadillacs, set them up for the ring, bring along full race crews and CLAIM the cars were bone stock showroom floor cars. Thats where it all goes wrong. Atleast Nissan, Lexus arent lying and bullshitting about it. in Bob Lutzs book he describes how it was SO important for GM to score at the Ring, they even built parts of the Ring in USA so they could set up the cars before going.
@Janusha your full of shit..lexus set up the lfa for the ring and called it the nurburgring edtition lfa..the vette just has the required safety features added and thats it..
Yes.. atleast Lexus didnt try to lie about it. They made a special version and called it the Nurburgring version. Instead of mod their cars and lie about not modding them.
You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to think you get a 7 minute Nurburgring run car when you buy a stock Corvette.
Christ... you people. You know Bob Lutz. The head of Chrysler and GM at some point. An icon in US cars and the man responsible for atleast trying to turn the US car industry out of bankruptcy. He says in his book... That they were so hellbent on records at the Ring they even built parts of the Ring in USA and flew over full factory backed race crews. The cars had drstic modifications. Showroom stock, my arse.
Ok.. so you actually believe you get a 7 minute Nurburgring ready car when you go and buy a ZR1?
Are you telling me the Corvette, VIper, Cadillacs used for the runs in Germany were all showroom stock cars. And that the Ring really is "Europes own benchmark" and that somehow the americans arrived and ALL got wooorld records on their first try after renting the track for a weekend? Is that REALLY what you believe? You see.. Its about faith and belief for you guys. Not facts and reality.
@Janusha facts?you have no facts..all you said was that gm built a track like the ring to practice on..yea i heard something like that also.. and?that does not mean they sent special cars to run the ring and lie about it..you need help..the zr1 is a great car give it credit where its due.
Bob Lutz said this himself when he flew the TopGear people over this test track in USA and pointed at it..They built PARTS, obviously not the whole god damn track. He also wrote about this in his book. Im not making shit up you fuckwit. But you guys dont get any real motor press in your country do you. Because in USA critical press is seen as evil. Something that can only hurt sales and cost jobs. So everything is hailed to the skies instead. Regardless of actual reality.
If these Ring runs were at all legit, there would be interviews, press conferences. 1000 pictures on the net. They would have milked it for all its worth. Instead there is nothing.. Nothing at all.
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Here is the actual car on the Ring. Its the red one. You can clearly see Sparco Evo2 race interior, a full rollcage and its running on semi-slick LeMans tyres. The oldest trick in the book to generate spectacularly misleading lap times.
Hahaha showroom stock.. except the parts that arent. Does it EVER get embarrassing for you guys ? You flagwaving idiots. Its there.. Right infront of you. Modded cars and bullshit claims. But its all about belief and faith to you biblethumping flagwavers. Never facts.
hahaha safety equipment "required" hahaha. You people. Did they strip out the interior and replace the bargain basement budget seats with racing equipment for "safety" too? Hahaha. Showroom stock, my fucking arse.
@Janusha in this video running the fastest time its a yellow zr1 ..not red..and you havnt proved anything about the zr1 being modded just for the ring one bit..all you say is we must be blind to think its not modded..hello? it does not need mods to run so fast..it a zr1 you fool..over 600 hp and some of the best brakes around..and its carbon and poly so its very light..your just mad because you hate america and cant cope with the fact the zr1 is a 7 min ring car stock.
@Janusha Dream on?The use of carbon fiber is pretty extensive throughout the ZR1.. The wider fenders are made of the material, as are the hood, roof panel, roof bow, front fascia splitter and rocker moldings..Come on now kid..your hate for american cars has made you blind to facts and is misleading your thoughts.
Forexample a Lambo Murcielago which IS a carbon car, uses 85 kilos of the stuff. There its used for structural rigidity and contributes to a significant weight loss.
If you fit all the "carbon" optional extras on a ZR1 you get a rear wing, a thin layer of tuneshop grade carbon on the aluminium roof and the front splitter. Thats a full 2 kilos of carbon. On visible places so they can point at it in dealers and claim its a "carbon car" when it really isnt. Its complete bullshit.
And isnt it amazing... How you guys love to shout "bang for the buck" and how the Corvette is so much cheaper than the real thing... So why is it then such a shock to you that its cheaply built? For fucks sake... If it was a carbon car. It would cost what carbon cars cost. But it doesnt. Because who the hell would pay Lambo price for a GM. This is american teenager logic.
@Janusha You fool its not a complete carbon car..and most of the carbon is painted to match the car color..lol..if they are tryn to bullshit then why hide the carbon?you didnt even think the car had any carbon..lol..get a life and stop hating its pathetic!
@Janusha You have no facts..just hate..im sure the zr1 carbon fiber hood ALONE is more then the 2 kilos you try to claim the zr1 uses..lol..its ok kid get a life you like lambo's then go watch lambo videos..stop trolling chevy videos i see you trolling all over youtube its pathetic realy..lol.
yeah yeah come on with your tuneshop after market extras. Its funny how you want to make carbon sound heavy now.. Its the other way around, stupid. Hahaha you people are amazing. By the way my company back in the day owned 2 Lambos. Ive been to the Pagani, Lambo, Koenigsegg, Lotus, Ferrari factories. I dont talk from a teenagers perspective. Put the flag down now and walk away.
By the way... There is a paintjob on the 2012 Corvette called called Carbon black or something... hahaha carbon paint !! Thats funny. Anything so that they can call it a carbon car when its got more tupperware plastic than it has actual carbon. And they get away with it... It works. Because here you are. Telling me that Corvettes have extensive use of carbon. If you havent understood it yet. I dont hate cars. Just the ridiculous myths and wild claims out of you guys. carbon roof bow. Hahha.
@Janusha no, its not fake carbon paint you fool..and its all facts not claims..all you do is make claims with no fact to back up anything..lol get a life loser and stop trolling chevy videos,
Now... The only reason you could possibly want to know that is so that you can find some way to discriminate my nationality. I dont quite see the relevance to the topic. But hey... I dont hide where Im from.
Now do the american thing and tell me how I cannot possibly know any of these things because my country dont make cars.
@TheDubeo "you wont say what country you live in but you try to bash america?.."
You cant go into any american-car related youtube video with out running into Janusha. Hes a flag-burning anti american that refuses to support any of his claims and assertions. Last I checked hes Norwegian, but as he was the one who stated this ive no clue to its actual validity.
@TheDubeo "sorry bud but this car is yellow not red!lol!"
Congrats on not being color blind champ. Yes this car is indeed yellow. Yes they had a red one too. News flash Kiddo- They had *multiple* vettes there. Youd have to be a ignorant biased prejudice Norwegian myth spewing bigot not to expect them to have brought multiples. Is this your only "proof" that theyre lieing? "But look, there was a red one too!" Surely you can muster up more than that slugger.
@Janusha "Its about faith and belief for you guys. Not facts and reality"
And yet janusha you are the *only* one who shys away when asked for ANY facts to support your claims. You claim that these cars were modified as if you *knew* that was what was happened. Hey- Thats find. But wheres YOUR proof, Where are YOUR facts. Youve nothing but empty sourcless claims supported by nothing but "cuz i know so!"s. Let us know when *you* can bring facts to the table.
Im not the one claiming ridiculous bullshit at the Ring or anywhere else. Im the one questioning ridiculous claims of which there is little or no substance whatsoever. We been through this before. Show me what "records" these jokers claim to have broken. Show me how these cars were "showroom stock" show me how in the world anyone can call the Ring an "international benchmark" of any sense of the word aslong as NONE of the big names are playing this game outside your X-box.
My ability to supply any kind of evidence is restricted by the availability of credible info... Of which there is none. So why do you guys wave those flags and desperately skip these enormous black holes in the myth ? Because its all about belief and faith... Faith in your own superiority regardless of staggering evidence to the contrary. Such things like logic and actual reality become mere details when its time to spin a good myth. And anyone disagreeing obviously "hates america"
Weve been over this- numerous times. Its not because you "disagree" that youre a mythspewing, flag burning, ignorant, prejudice american hating bigot. We know this because you continually go out of your way to INSULT americans left and right- Not simply disagree not question- Flat out blatant unprovoked insults. You sit atop your ignorant-high horse and assume you can deduce *anything* about someone they are american.
@Janusha (pt2 insult) A simple search on youtube reveals to us that nearly all your posts on youtube are of you trolling the discussion sections of videos that predominantly feature american-cars and tell everyone how americans are a bunch all basically a bunch of patriotic liars hell bent on proving some false dominance by distorting the truth. You dont question anything, you dont bring ANY evidence to support your claims. You just insult, talk shit, then hide from any inquiries.
@Janusha Its ok that youre a flag burning bigot, we really dont care- youve no reason to hide and lie about this fact. Again the burden of proof is on you, no one (not just americans) sees anything "extraordinary" about these claims. An aluminum monocoque chassised, transaxled, 640 horsepowered supercharged v8, carbon cermaic braked vehicle utilizing some of the stickiest street tires available lays down a top-notch time? Blasphemy. The only question is WHY you question its speed.
@Janusha ZR1 laps the Nurburgring in 7:19 BONE STOCK and it's ALL AMERICAN, BITCH! AMERICA is the best country on the planet and you can't handle it because you're from some shitty European country. So sit back down and suck on my big AMERICAN DICK!....SON!
I dont question its speed.. Fucks sake Ferrari did 7 minute laps at the Ring 40 years ago. Porsche did 6 minutes 11 seconds 30 years ago. So why shouldnt americans be able to do it today. Trouble is... You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute Nurburgring ready car when you buy a Corvette. And this idea of the Ring as some kind of "benchmark" is an all american myth.
@Janusha Cars did do very quick laps back in the 70s and such on the Nurburgring but they were not stock production, they were full out race cars....todays cars that are stock production (meaning the way it comes off of the factory line) are tearing up the Nurburgring and the American cars are on top.
What Im saying is that speed on its own is nothing new. Cars will only go so fast before they no longer stick to the road and can be handled by a normal customer. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo all started doing 200 mph in the 80s and dont go any faster today because its useless in actual reality. If speed on its own was the goal with supercars, you could just stick numberplates on old racecar tech which is essentially what americans do. Its not magic... Speed is the easy part.
@Janusha You keep talking about speed yet the Nurburgring is the benchmark track to test the handling of the worlds best performance vehicles, and American cars are in the top 2% of fastest lap times for stock production street legal vehicles.
THERE IS NO BENCHMARKING GOING ON AT THE RING.... What part of this is hard for you guys to understand ? Its Nissan, the americans and now Lexus. Would you say thats enough for claiming to be best in the wooooorld? The Ring is a closed down racetrack, some days a test track for mainly german cars and the rest of the time its a tourist attraction where you pay to have a go in full public with the track full of other cars. Try some reading.
@Janusha ,All the big names test there cars at the RING!!!! wow you are more ignorant than I thought... Tell your mom to up your allowance so you can buy a corvette someday... You are a jealous fool of AMERICA and its CORVETTE...You are nothing but a troll that has NO FACTS to back your rediculous claims.... Hey your mom is yelling at you to pick up your room..Do it and be a good little girl...
Many TEST their cars at the ring. Endurance testing mostly. Because 2 days at the Ring with TEST drivers puts as much strain on various components as a family can do in a year. But factory sanctioned BENCHMARKING doesnt happen outside your fucking x-box. Again... We had the god damn ring for nearly 100 years and along comes americans... Claim wooorld records on their first weekend, trying to teach ME something about the Ring and what goes on there. Get a grip.
Hahaha yeah. Thats exactly the myth that you guys keep telling yourselves. And thats all it takes for something to be "true" over there where belief and faith is more important than facts and reality.
Show me what "records" these jokers actually claim to have beaten at the Ring. Fastest car? Not by a mile.
Then show me who else does this. Europes own game... On your x-box. Nowhere else.
@Janusha, like I said you are a ignorant fool.. Its ok to be jealous.The Zr1 and the Viper have the fastest lap times for a ROAD legal sports car( under $500k).You keep refering to xbox not really sure why(did your mom take it away from you)?? The Zr1 has the best all around performance numbers for a super car under $500k
@Janusha..Zr1 specs $110k,638hp.Top speed 205mph,0-60 3-3.3sec, 1/4 mile 11sec at 130mph,Brake 60-0 97feet,lateral G 1.18 .Magnetic ride control(Chevy invented) that most of the highend luxury cars and FERRARI are using.. Decent use of carbon fiber(hood,roof,splitter,wing ect.). Actually go ahead a be jealous the zr1 a worthy TOP supercar!!!
Oh come on.... Give me strenght. These ridiculous Ring laps were orignially done smack in the middle of their collective bankruptcy inorder to prove to Obama they were internationally competitive and worthy of the 100 billion dollar aid package. Since then, this has been thrown around by every flagwaving fuckwit as conclusive proof of an entirely fictional US superiority. Today your whole base "knowledge" of your cars and their position internationally is based on myth and faith.
@Janusha "Oh come on.. Give me strenght. These ridiculous Ring Laps were originally done smack in the middle of their collective bankruptcy inorder to prove to Obama they were internationally competitive and worthy of the 100 billion dollar aid package"
Even *IF* your farfetched reasoning here IS true, "So what"? This is in no way, shape, or form, "Proof they faked their nurburgring lap times!" Yes Janusha- Please come on.
@Janusha "Since then, this has been thrown around by every flagwaving fuckwit as conclusive proof of an entirely fictional US superiority"
Again- Like who? Please name me some people. Surely youre basing this conclusion on more than just some internet idiots who enjoy spewing shit on the net, right?
@Janusha "your whole base 'knowledge' of your cars and their position internationally is based on myth and faith'.."
Faith in what myths, Champ? I need no "Faith" to believe the "myth" The a 600+ supercharged v8 powered vehicle with ceramic brakes, aluminum monocoque chassic, moderately down-force capable vehicle using double wish-bones front & rear with some of the fattest and stickiest border-line "Street" tires is monstrously fast. Id need *your* faith to accept that itd be slow.
@Janusha In the end janusha- Its of little surprise that youre defaulting to your cowardly run around. I dont want your delusional conspiracy theories, nor do i care why you hate america and its flag-waving idiots. Again you speak as if you KNOW they "faked" their times. I want to know *how* you know this. Giving me reasoning for why theyd want to have something to boast about is hardly evidence of anything, other than their having a need to want to boast about something. Try again.
@Janusha (pt2 try again) You know, with *actual* facts as to "why" these vehicles couldnt do what we *see* them doing here- Ie numbers demonstrating that examples of what we see in this video dont match.. Or maybe results from 3rd parties demonstrating with tests that theyre unable to match similar performance values, or ACTUAL evidence that "they cheated!", you know- *REAL* evidence. NOT distorted delusion conspiracies. Dont fret too hard- We all know you dont *Really* have any of this
@Janusha , you are a fool !!! Its fine that you hate America and its cars,and the reason you do is JEALOUSY simple as that... You are a waste of space thats does not have a clue about cars... Find the closest bridge and jump..
@Janusha "Im the one questioning ridiculous claims of.."
No champ- You *not* simply "questioning" the claims. You are making assertions that conclude us to believe you KNOW for a fact theyre fabricating stories about the vehicles in questions. Theres a world of difference there. Again, your assertion is nice- but until you offer us the PROOF (ANY would be nice) that support your claims, your assertions are merely empty myths with no backing.
@Janusha "Show me how how these cars were 'showroom stock'.."
Or simply compare the performance of this video, or any of the ones in question, to the performance we know theyre capable of out of the box- and elaborate on discrepancies. I dont see any of the vehicles you question doing things out of the ordinary from what they can do factory. You are the *only* one however that seems to think so- The burden of proof is on you here slugger, not me nor anyone else for the time being.
@Janusha "Show me how in the world anyone can call the Ring an 'international benchmark' of any sense of the word"
Sure- But first name me ONE other track in the world thats impressive as the nurburgring in scale, size, and difficulty, as the nurburgring. Its not *just* americans who are awed by the impressiveness of this track. Japan was taking cars to the ring long before americans were- BMI Has covered numerous sections on it. The british? Equally as "guilty" of loving the track.
jesus effing christ.....
GTO19020 3 days ago
did I see 1.7 G on cornering??? are those tires made of Magic? holy crap
toromerdacontro 1 week ago
just beautiful
chevychevelle111 1 week ago
Does not look legit. The timer started at a different point , then where the timer stopped...
Look at where the time starts, and then look at where the timer stops at the end of the lap...
ChristoMafesto 1 week ago
@ChristoMafesto haha add 2 seconds more.....
chevychevelle111 1 week ago
@chevychevelle111 At least 2 seconds yes, but if they are being so official about their time so they can sell more cars, at least do the test properly. and 2 seconds is a countable difference in performance. This time should be 7.21 or 7.22.
ChristoMafesto 1 week ago 2
@ChristoMafesto yes, you are right.....did u see the lap of the z06? it´s 2 seconds slower than the zr1, i think that for having a supercharged engine it´s a really poor lap, or maybe a very good one for the Z06
chevychevelle111 1 week ago 2
@ChristoMafesto "Does not look legit. The timer starter at a different point , then where the timer stopped"
The starting/stopping points used in this video are relatively standard points due to where you enter/exit the track when youve got use of the full lap. These points have become so commonly used by most sources that theyre fairly standard now when talking about lap times. The times you see for the Vettes, Viper, Lfa, Gtr, any *many* others, all use these points.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@ChristoMafesto (pt2) But dont take my word for it- Just check out a few of the videos. Admittedly now *all* use these, and some do indeed use a full lap (check out some particular zonda videos, as reference), but the vast majority? They all use these spots for the start/stop of the clock now.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
I want that car ^____^
xXxKurihutonxXx 1 week ago
@janusha - Google: "BBC Testing times at the Nurburgring." The heads of Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Lotus all speak of the importance of the Nurburgring in their car development and testing. According to your logic, they must all be American companies as I'm just flag waving.
You are wrong. You post bullshit and half truths to justify your indefensible stance. Try a little research, might help you with that Down's syndrome image you convey.
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@janusha - Here's a few more for you. LP 700, LP 560, C63 AMG Black, M3 GTS, Carrera S, 458, MP4-12C, CCX, Viper ACR, LFA, GTR, WRX, ZR1, Z06, ZL1, CTS-V, Zonda R, 599XX, SR8, etc, etc. Hahahaha.
As for Bugatti - that sums you up perfectly, only a true moron would include the Veyron in the list above. You're right on one thing though - the Ring is a TEST TRACK. It's also a race track - in case you didn't know, oh and its 2nd highest source of revenue is from manufacturers buying test time.
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@janusha - Wow, you really aren't too bright. Show you Ferrari's benchmark time? Look at the video to the right titled "599XX Sets New Record." You can also look up Pagani Zonda R, Lexus LFA, Nissan GTR, etc. etc. etc.
Oh, and by the way - it's not flag waving. I'm a huge fan of the Corvette, just as I am a huge fan of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Aston Martin, Audi, BMW, etc. The 'Ring lap time competition is good for everyone as it makes for better cars - except maybe you.
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@stevil1300
Haha etc etc is always nice to add when the list runs out. So Ferrari ran their FXX Racecar there once... Therefore the Ring is some international benchmark where we all go to see whats best and somehow... Americans ran off with all the gold medals right ? This is a pissing contest between Nissan and the americans. And now Lexus had a go. Because the Japs have no racing heritage that we can relate to. The Ring is a test track and a tourist attraction. And now american media hype.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
As for Vipers... They were down to a couple of hundred cars a year and was officially ended in 2007 and put up for sale. This is widely documented. Thats why there is no 2007 model. However they turned it into a racecar and did the media stunt at the Ring which gave them enough publicity and attention to continue the Viper for another few seasons while trying to sell the brand off. Their bankruptcy papers showed a mere 16 million in revenue which isnt going to keep anyone in business.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@stevil1300
We all know the god damn Ring is a test track. It has been for decades. Porsche has had permanent test facilities there for 50 fucking years. The track has been there for damn near 100 years and now americans come along and try to teach us what it is ?
You are quoting tourists in their own god damn cars and car magazines doing their own little test runs. In full public with other drivers on the road. Try to get into the topic before posting bullshit please. Youre hurting my brain.
Janusha 1 week ago
@janusha As for factory race crews for ‘Ring lap times, here’s a little info for ya. The reason the C6 is so strong on the ‘Ring is because the final 6 months of development and tuning for the Z06 took place in Nurburg. Chevrolet believes the track is the ultimate challenge for a road-going performance car so they chose it as the location to finish the stock tune and set up for the car. Therefore, the Z06 and ZR1 are set up from the showroom to perform on the Nordschleife.
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@stevil1300
"Chevrolet believes" These are key words. Or more accurately Chevrolet wants YOU to believe.
The reality of it is that nobody actually does this. The idea of the Ring as some kind of "international benchmark" is an all american misconception, wild claim, myth. Show me Ferraris "benchmarked" laps so we can compare the times. You cant.. Cause they dont exist. Lambo, Lotus, Koenigsegg, Aston, NONE of the big names do this shit. Get it into your flagwaving head. This is a media stunt.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@Janusha are you FOR REAL????!!!!!! How ignorant can you get? !?!?Theyre the ones who started all this crap you moron. Are you new to the car world or what? Bugatti did it, Koenigsegg did it, Ferrari DEFINITELY did it, Pagani ESPECIALLY, Lamborghini, lotus,NISSAN, I mean how retarded and blind are you? GO on wikipedia and look at the Nurburgring Track times, they have cars from every manufacturer you named! lmao You are a complete and utterly useless tool! You just hate America lmao.
TheVengefulCo 2 weeks ago
@Janusha lmao the complete stupidity of your comments make me rofl. Sure ferrari and porsche did this years ago but those were race only cars...the whole point is that these are PRODUCTION cars. Vauxhall made a nurburgring TRACK EDITION corsa for gods sake! All manufacturers do it... I find it especially funny how you try to pass off as smart and educated. A real critical thinker you must be lmao. I weep for the ignorant who let hate blind them haha
TheVengefulCo 2 weeks ago
@Janusha BTW you have HORRIBLE taste for music as well lol
TheVengefulCo 2 weeks ago
@TheVengefulCo
As for my music... Charming of you to try and discredit me with my gfs music.. She likes weird stuff. So what.
Why dont you show me these Bugatti, Ferrari, Koenigsegg official "benchmarked" Ring runs. What most of you bewildered fuckwits dont understand is that the Ring is a tourist attraction where people come in THEIR OWN cars, pay 20 Euro and have a go at the Ring. If some guy with HIS OWN CAR went there, Ferrari or Koenigsegg, that does NOT make the ring a benchmark. Idiot.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@Janusha "This is a media stunt"
You mean they wanted to attract attention to their vehicle by showing how quickly it can go around the nurburgring? Great deduction Holmes, how ever did you manage to deduce this one? Yes- It was a media stunt. So what? Are you stating that this is proof that they lied in any way shape or form?
SidewaysGts 2 weeks ago
@Janusha "The idea of the Ring as some kind of 'international benchmark' is an all american misconception"
Actually its a "misconception" of just about any nation that has a huge following of cars. America, Britain, Japan, etc. "Americans" are far from the only ones in the world who admire the difficulty the nurburgring holds.
SidewaysGts 2 weeks ago
@Side
They werent trying to show how fast their car would go. They wanted to see how far you could push the thing with a full factory backed race crew and race mods while at the same time getting away with it. Which is why there were no press invited, no witnesses, no pictures. Today when every phone has a camera and NONE of them took pictures. And then they tell us how its "Europes own benchmark" and how they beat the Europeans at "their own game" christ...
Janusha 1 week ago
We had the Ring for nearly 100 years and now every bewildered flagwaving fool on a constant basis on EVERY car related topic. The answer is always the same OMG YOU HATE AMERICA and OH YEAH WE BEAT YOU ALL AT THE RING... Its this heavy reliance on bullshit instead of actually building the real thing, that keeps these cars from selling abroad. Where people arent as ready to eat the american cheese.
Inspite of big claims, Viper still died cause nobody actually bought any.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha "They wanted to see how far you could push the thing with a full factory backed race crew and race mods"
You like to bring up how all these cars had "factory backed race crews!" as if this somehow alters the potential of a vehicle. Can you explain why it matters? Now "race mods" would indeed alter the potential of the vehicle, can you elaborate on what "Race mods" it had, and how you know it had them? Thanks.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "Which is why there were no press invited, no witnesses, no pictures"
No witnesses? No Pictures? Only if you close your eyes Champ. KGP was there releasing spy-shots and rough-lap times it was doing of the vette on the ring *long* before any announcement was made of it being there and what its times were . (pt1 witness)
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha (pt2 witness) BTG was also there taking/releasing spy shots of the vehicle as it was being tested on the track- Releasing articles about the car with details about the lap times it was doing (discussing how a helicopter was following it). The only one this all seems to be a "Secret" to is you Janusha. This was found within 30 seconds of searching. Your willful ignorance never ceases to amaze me.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "And then they tell us... 'how they (The americans) beat the europeans at their own game' christ.."
Again I merely ask *who* is saying this? Short of some idiots in the forums of youtube. Surely youve more to this then that dont you?
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@janusha - you're excused - you're slow, we understand. The "Viper" didn't go bankrupt; Dodge, who is owned by Fiat (like Ferrari) is introducing the 2013 Viper shortly.
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@Janusha - great job demonstrating how little knowledge you have - keep it up! Not only has the Corvette C6 (Z06, Z06/Z07 and ZR1) lapped Nurburgring at a pace that is faster than any road legal European car (Excluding the Radical and Donkerpoop(road-going go-karts.)) but you seem to have forgotten another dreaded, ghastly American car - the Viper. Regardless, if the Corvette's unofficial 'Ring performance isn't good enough, let's talk “real racing” then. How about we start with Le Mans?
stevil1300 2 weeks ago
@stevil1300 AGREE 100%..The corvette in Le Mans has been dominating for several years!!! (janusha) is nothing but a troll without a clue...
zeusdog34 2 weeks ago
@stevil1300
Excuse me... Didnt the Viper go bankrupt because nobody actually bought one? Its amazing how every god damn flagwaving fuckwit is throwing those bullshit Ring laps around as if they actually have relevance. Show me what "records" these jokers claim to have beaten. Show me who ELSE sends factory backed race crews to the Ring to "benchmark" their cars. This is bullshit american hype. Wave your flags at home where atleast you dont get contradicted.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
It would have been a lovely video if it had been all engine and no yammering public relations flack droning on and on about shit nobody cares about or that could have been placed in the uploader's description section.
Delete the big mouth from the video and let's hear the run.
ForTheDefence80 2 weeks ago
Japanese sports cars are my favorite type of cars but this is the only american car i ve liked since I was little. This ZR1 is beast love it
melpomony 2 weeks ago
@melpomony
Well its the ONLY competitive american car in modern history so obviously the list is kinda short isnt it.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@Janusha .Again you show your ignorants.... Ok what is your top contender to the zr1??
zeusdog34 2 weeks ago
@zeusdog34
Top contender to the ZR1 ? For fucks sakes... Every single one out of the 100 different currently available GT car, Sportscar, Track car, Supercar, Hypercar out of Europe... All get compared to the god damn Corvette. Not because they appeal to the same customer or is at all comparable but because quite frankly... America offers nothing else that can be compared.
Its just a 7 years old plastic wedge with a huge engine that is only "best in the woooorld" with a bucket of patriotism.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@Janusha Dude quit your trolling, i've seen you in 3 Vette videos already.... causing arguments.
MegaGunRush 2 weeks ago
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@Janusha "Its (the corvette) just a 7 years old plastic wedge with a huge engine"
Apologies- Im under the impression you think the c6 vette is using "old" technology and is merely a "big engine". May I ask whats old about the design of its aluminum monocoque chassis, or magnesium engine subframe? Maybe its ceramic brakes, or magnetic shocks used with its short/long arm aluminum front/rear double-wishbone control arms? You know- Specifics. If im under the wrong conclusion I apologize.
SidewaysGts 2 weeks ago
@SidewaysGts
You know I dont dive into the nerdy details. However I had to go check out this Magneride. Since that is the single most overhyped part of the entire US car industry these days. Myths running wild everywhere. Its all clever and shit. Using iron particles in the brake fluid that form strands when subjected to electric current thereby changing viscosity on the run.
However this turns out to be a Russian patent from the 1940s. Used alot in heavy industry.
Janusha 1 week ago
Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China and sold to GM. And other companies. In commercials GM claim to have PIONEERED it... They cleverly avoid saying GM developed it because they didnt. They let the flagwaving masses come to that misconception by themselves.
This is exactly like when GM fanboys claimed ownership of Brembo brakes when Brembo turned up on the list of GM subcontractors when GM wanted the same brakes on their ZR1 as was on the 10 years older Enzo.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha "Developed for cars by a company operating out of Bejing China... in commercials GM claim to have PIONEERED it"
Because they did. The company located in Beijing who currently makes the systems you speak of is Magneride, They attained the system from the company who FIRST developed it- Delphi. Delphi was formed by? GM back in 94. Granted then they were ACG, and didnt rename the division to Delphi until a year later. Recap. Developed by Delphi, sold to Beijing, sold to others.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha In the end Janusha youve answered nothing. Either you DO have proof they "cheated" & modified the car with "mad tyte nurburg RACE MAWDS!", or you DONT. Which is it? Rhetorical question slugger, we know you dont. Youve never had proof & you never will. We all know youre fully of shit in the end. Ill gladly give you the whole "theres fanboys in america" & "Fanboyz is t3h stoopidz & sucks" thing- Ill even give you that these were media stunts. But thats not proof they cheated.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha Who cars if Ferrari and Porsche did 7s and 8s on the ring back in the 80s, those were race cars, not built for the street. Today we have the ZR1 which does the ring in 7:19 and it's fully drivable in every day life....nuff said
07Z06ss 1 week ago
@Janusha ""You know I dont dive into the nerdy details"
Often because you *cant*. Its far easier to make accusations and empty claims than it is to actually do proper research. Why verify results when you can just postulate conspiracy theories and say "Enh, they cheated". "Can you prove they cheated?". "Of course not, but they did!".
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "However this turns out ot be a Russian patent from the 1940s"
Can you link us to this source? I searched for every combination of terms I could think of to find exactly what you were on about here- All I can find however is that you made this *Very* same post on autoguide on a commercial talking about Cadillac and Ferrari, and simply copied/pasted it to me here on youtube. Good job on that btw, seriously.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@SidewaysGts
Point is.. Both Ferrari and GM dont make suspension. GM, Ferrari and everyone else buys their suspension, brakes and all kinds of shit from external companies. Its WILDLY misleading to spend millions of dollars running add campaigns where they tell shady stories to the public. Knowing full well the all american tradition for creating myths and stories, will do the rest. This heavy reliance on complete, unchecked bullshit is why US cars stay in the US.
I cannot possibly single-
Janusha 1 week ago
out any red line to go with when you spam me an essay. But really. Suspension fluids is the new battlement?... Does it REALLY have to get this nerdy? Now they have a whole nation spamming the net, claiming ownership over what is essentially a 1940s Russian patent. Sure its all clever and shit but really.. Is there nothing else to get all excited over? At what point does it ever get embarrassing? How is this any different from when Corvette fanboys claimed Brembo brakes were GM tech.
Janusha 1 week ago
And yes I left this same message there on the Autoguide thing under my own name exactly for this reason. As always Im surprised when I can so easily find this information and none of you flagwavers can. If you took 1 hand off the flag and actually tried, im pretty sure you could. But faith and belief is so much more fun and interesting than reality and facts. In the case for these lame Nurburgrings, its the desperate LACK of proof that makes it all fall apart.
Janusha 1 week ago
@Janusha "If you took 1 hand off the flag and..."
Your endless onslaught of bullshit and bigotry never ceases to amaze me. I simply ask you for your sources (Which you have not *once* ever shared) that drew you to your conclusions, and instead of giving them up you ramble on about how I must be a flag-waving chest-thumping overly patriotic american? Again, theres little surprise. Youre a coward. Why *answer* questions when you can just simply make *more* assertions, right Janusha?
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "its the desperate LACK of proof that makes it all fall apart"
You'd need Janusha-Grade delirium enduing Conspiracy-serum injected into your eyes to assert theres a "desperate lack of proof" and miss all the proof there is. For example- THIS VIDEO of a Zr1 doing *absolutely nothing* out of the ordinary that any factory Zr1 is capable of. You obviously disagree with this- Guess What champ, your case would be VERY easy to support (pt1 support)
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha (pt2) Youve got over 7 minutes of footage of the vehicle in question accelerating, braking, and handling. All you, as a highly delusional conspiracy theory weaving flag-burning bigot, needs to do- Is demonstrate that it exceeds the factory capabilities ANYWHERE in this video. Use references to show "It cant accelerate that fast", or "Stop that fast" or "cant exert g forces that high" or.. Well you get the idea. All these "numbers" are easy to find. But heres the thing
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha (pt3 support) We both know you wont- For 2 reasons. 1, We both know youd rather be a pathetic coward and simply make more bigot assertions instead of taking the 5 minutes itd take to properly support your delusional conspiracy norwegian myth-theories, and 2, Because we both know it *didnt* do anything out of the ordinary- And simply put, you *cant* support such a claim. By all means though- I strongly encourage you to prove me wrong, on both cases.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@SidewaysGts Well said. But I don't know if I'd put even that much effort into countering the obvious bullshit this guy "Janusha" spreads around, which I've noticed on other videos. The guy is either a troll, has an axe to grind over certain cars for some reason, or both.
177SCmaro 1 day ago
@Janusha "But faith and belief is so much more fun and interesting than reality and facts"
And youd know best about that, wouldn't ya, Champ?
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "claiming ownership over what is essentially a 1940s russian patent"
Again- When searching for where you were coming from on this all I found was some posts made by you that you ended up copy/pasting here. Instead of criticizing someone for being unable to find "your sources", but not simply divulge with us *your sources* to support this claim? Id like to read what you actually read to drew you to this conclusion. I didnt know they had such computers in the 40s.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
@Janusha "Its WILDLY misleading to spend millions of dollars running add campaigns when they tell shady stories to the public"
I hope youll excuse my disagreeing here- But I see nothing "misleading" nor "shady" about a Company stating they pioneered a specifice piece of technology when it was developed by a daughter company *They themselves started*.
SidewaysGts 1 week ago
What the opponents really hate is the fact that the Corvette does this for a third of the cost of the the overpriced euro cars.
1958madmike 2 weeks ago
@1958madmike
Have you ever wondered.... If this thing really was anything like your american hype tells us it is, then why isnt it an international success ? Corvette is down to 1100-1400 cars a month in USA and sells 0 in the rest of the world where forexample Porsche sells 120 000 a year. You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute Ring ready car when you buy a Corvette at the dealers. You cant claim BOTH cheap AND best. Its not magic.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
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@Janusha "Corvette is down to 1100-1400 cars a month... porsche sells 120,000 a year"
Janusha- Did you just compare a *single* limited production sports car, to the sales numbers of an *entire* company? Youd need janusha-grade delirium inducing conspiracy-theory bigot serum injected into your eye balls to think that was relevant.
SidewaysGts 2 weeks ago
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@Janusha "You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute ring ready car when you buy a corvette at the dealers"
Pray tell janusha, enlighten us- What DO you think a stock straight off the show-room floor corvette WOULD actually do on the ring? Now, more importantly, tell us why you think so.
SidewaysGts 2 weeks ago
@Janusha This video is proof that Americans are owning the ring, you're just a butthurt fanboy who's made because we know what we're doing :) Viper ACR 7:12 Z06 7:22 ZR1 7:19 Nuff said
*waits for idiot to insert reply consisting of "Corvette had non-street legal tires* haha well too bad the tires are DOT and have TREAD...nuff said
07Z06ss 2 weeks ago
@07Z06ss
Ferrari did 7 minute runs on the Ring 40 years ago. Porsche did 6 minute laps in the early 80s. What exactly is your point ? This idea of the Ring as some "international benchmark" where we all go to see whats best and along comes the americans and ALL claim wooooorld records after renting the track for a weekend... This is an all american myth.
What records do they ACTUALLY claim to have "broken" ? What OTHER cars go to the Ring to benchmark anything except Nissan and the americans ?
Janusha 2 weeks ago
I was never sure about running DOT Competition tires like the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup ZP on the street. They only have a tread wear rating of 80, which is typical for a DOT COMP. My understanding also is that they are more prone to heat cycle than your Extreme performance tire which one usually chooses for dual street/ trackday duty.
eric1138 3 weeks ago
Its amazing.. We had the Nurburgring for the better part of 100 years. And now every american fool tells us this is some kind of "international benchmark" and that somehow Corvette, Viper, hell even Cadillac came along and won gold fucking medals or something. And they believe it... They believe it without the slightest bit of proof or reality because an american will never question any "fact" that puts their steel above its competition.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha "And now every american fool tells us this is some kind of 'international benchmark' and.."
Well stop talking to fools. Problem solved. American car enthusiasts are just one group of *numerous* others around the world that view the nurburgring with a hefty amount of renown. And for good reason, its an impressive track- And for numerous reasons its unique on this planet. Why does this bother you so much?
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
@Janusha "and some how (various cars) came along and won gold fucking medals or something"
Who is stating this, exactly? Can I see a source to support this claim? Thanks.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
@Janusha "And they believe it..without the slightest bit of proof or reality because an american will never question any 'fact' that puts their steel above its competition"
Prejudice much champ? Again its because of things like this that I know youre an ignorant, biased, prejudice bigot.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
wow!!!! that's a proper V8 right there!
8000RPMS 1 month ago
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TheFullRev 1 month ago
did that thing really get airborne at 1:11?
horayforjoe 2 months ago
lol lfa is faster by 7 sec but its 4wd 300k price tag, if corvette have a better driver it could probobly do better plus u could spend 50k on upgrades and save the 150+k money for food etc.
jdnic1 2 months ago
@jdnic1 "lol lfa is faster by 7 sec but... if corvette have a better driver.. etc"
Are you implying Jim did an inadequate job? If not, couldnt the same be said about the lfa? "What if the lfa had a better driver". You do also realize the Vettes time was conducted on Michelin Sport-Pilot Cup ZPs, while the LFA was on Potenza Re070s, right? The MSPCZPs have a UTQG of <80. The Potenzas are just shy of -double- that at 140. Th LFAs performance exceeds the Vettes more than you credit/Know.
SidewaysGts 2 months ago
@SidewaysGts the nurburg lfa was a limited production of 50 cars..its not a production car like the zr1..
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "The nurburgring lfa was a limited production of 50 cars... its not a production car like the zr1"
2 things- A, What exactly is a "production" car, can you define that for me? Secondly- What exactly is your point? If youre telling me that the zr1 is made in higher numbers than the lfa- Then yes, I know this- But "so what"?
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts the nurburg lfa is LIMITED production car set up just for the ring..hello?the zr1 is a regular production car..its not a special limited production car..but im sure the lingenfelter zr1 would do even better..
TheDubeo 1 month ago
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SidewaysGts 1 month ago
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SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "THe nurburg lfa is LIMITED production car set up just for the ring.. hello"
Yes- Hello. I hear you. I just dont know what youre getting at. Yes its a limited production vehicle that had some minor adjustments for the ring- What of it?
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "the zr1 is a regular production car..its not a special limited production car"
Sorry- I still dont know what a "regular production" car is. Can you please explain what makes any vehicle a "regular production car" or not? The term is vague at best and has no actual accepted meaning by any large body of peers that I am aware of. I'd merely like to know what the term means to you so that I can be clear were on the same page. Thanks.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts i told you already..you dont know what limited means?im saying the zr1 is off the regular gm production line and the nurburg lfa is set up just to run the ring..get it?good.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "I told you already..you dont know what limited means? im saying the zr1 is off the regular gm production lin...get it?good"
Actually as far as IM concerned the zr1 is nothing more than a limited production Corvette- So no, I dont "get it". Sure the n-spec lfa is "more" limited, but isnt that semantics? & Yes- you told me what you thought the cars were, you however have not (and still havnet) defined your vague terms. Simply define them if you can please.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts get over it and the zr1 is not a limited production car like the nurburg lfa(50 built)..the nurburg lfa can run other tracks ofcourse..but hence its name"nurburg lfa"..it was built up to break the nurburg production car record..but its not even a true production car..facts are facts..now u want to say "so what"..so what if gm sent the carbon fiber or lingenfelter vettes?they are not real production cars either.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "get over it"
Get over what champ? You've made no points thus far.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts In the end all youve managed to state was the obvious- Yes they made more ZR1s than the N-Spec LFA. In the end, youve still brought nothing of interest to the table. Yes they made more of them, "So what". Like you've said, facts ARE facts. All I've done is put the facts down. The N-Spec LFA *IS* faster than the poster I was originally talking to, gave credit for. Nothing more. Nothing Less. Now take your own advice and "get over it" Champ.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts you fool..i already told you..you keep saying the same bs..so if its not ment to run the nurburgring then why is it fucking called the lfa nurburgring edition for?!like i said chevy has faster and lighter vettes then the zr1..but they are limited production..special editions..thats the facts ok..now go fuck yourself..loser.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "Why is it fucking called the lfa nurburgring edition for?"
Because it employs changes that were inspired by the LFA used in the 24-hours of lemans. The changes are a front splitter with canards, a faster shifting transmission, an adjustable (key word- adjustABLE, not adjustED) suspension, and a few extra hp. There is *nothing* about these changes/set up that dictate in any way shape or form its "set up for the ring" by any stretch of the imagination. Savvy?
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts u take half of what i write and try to act like im asking u a question?come on guy the fact is the lfa nurburgring edition was built up to run the ring the zr1 is not..its just a stock production car..end of story..now is chevy want to bring out a special edition zr1 made for the ring it would be a different story.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "come on guy the fact is the lfa nurburgring edition was built up to run the ring"
No, its not. Its built to run anywhere. There is zero about its set up that is "optimized" in any way shape or form for the actual nurburgring. Its name pays respect to the vehicle it got some enhancement modifications from, not where it gets the actual set up of its parts.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "the zr1 is not (a car built specifically to run the nurburgring)..end of story..now is chevy want to bring out a special edition zr1 made for the ring it would be a different story"
You mean if things were different, theyd be different? Surely you jest, do go on! Do you bake cookies too? Your brownies are so delicious.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts yea its not set up for the ring huh? they call it the lfa nurburgring edition for nothing..lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!get a life kid..your full of shit.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "its not set up for the run huh? They call it the lfa nurburgring edition for nothing..lmfao!!!"
Never stated it wasnt called the Nurburgring edition for nothing. I stated its not called the nurburgring edition because it was "Set up" to run the ring. Again champ- It uses enhancements from the LFA that raced in the 24-hours of lemans. Enhancements that work equally well everywhere. You *could* argue the actual suspension set-up, but thats not even optimized for the ring.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "get a life kid"
Again with the personal attacks? I can only be thankfully your trash talking is about as sharp as your rebuttals. Be careful while wielding those butter knives, you might put an eye out.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "You fool...is it fucking... now go fuck yourself loser"
My my such strong words. It speaks volume about an individual when theyve nothing left to bring to the table other than foul language and childish names. Might want to consider growing up one of these days- It helps your credibility.
SidewaysGts 1 month ago
@SidewaysGts lexus took a lfa.. set it up to run the ring and called it the lfa nurburgring edition but you try to say otherwise ..wtf?yea its made to run laguna secca..lol!
TheDubeo 1 month ago 17
@TheDubeo
What the americans did was to take Corvettes, Vipers, Cadillacs, set them up for the ring, bring along full race crews and CLAIM the cars were bone stock showroom floor cars. Thats where it all goes wrong. Atleast Nissan, Lexus arent lying and bullshitting about it. in Bob Lutzs book he describes how it was SO important for GM to score at the Ring, they even built parts of the Ring in USA so they could set up the cars before going.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha your full of shit..lexus set up the lfa for the ring and called it the nurburgring edtition lfa..the vette just has the required safety features added and thats it..
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Yes.. atleast Lexus didnt try to lie about it. They made a special version and called it the Nurburgring version. Instead of mod their cars and lie about not modding them.
You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to think you get a 7 minute Nurburgring run car when you buy a stock Corvette.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha you are a fool..stop hating on the zr1..you have no proof its been set up just for the ring.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Christ... you people. You know Bob Lutz. The head of Chrysler and GM at some point. An icon in US cars and the man responsible for atleast trying to turn the US car industry out of bankruptcy. He says in his book... That they were so hellbent on records at the Ring they even built parts of the Ring in USA and flew over full factory backed race crews. The cars had drstic modifications. Showroom stock, my arse.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha them racing on ring type tracks says nothing about the zr1 being moddded and not stock..
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Ok.. so you actually believe you get a 7 minute Nurburgring ready car when you go and buy a ZR1?
Are you telling me the Corvette, VIper, Cadillacs used for the runs in Germany were all showroom stock cars. And that the Ring really is "Europes own benchmark" and that somehow the americans arrived and ALL got wooorld records on their first try after renting the track for a weekend? Is that REALLY what you believe? You see.. Its about faith and belief for you guys. Not facts and reality.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha facts?you have no facts..all you said was that gm built a track like the ring to practice on..yea i heard something like that also.. and?that does not mean they sent special cars to run the ring and lie about it..you need help..the zr1 is a great car give it credit where its due.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Bob Lutz said this himself when he flew the TopGear people over this test track in USA and pointed at it..They built PARTS, obviously not the whole god damn track. He also wrote about this in his book. Im not making shit up you fuckwit. But you guys dont get any real motor press in your country do you. Because in USA critical press is seen as evil. Something that can only hurt sales and cost jobs. So everything is hailed to the skies instead. Regardless of actual reality.
Janusha 1 month ago
If these Ring runs were at all legit, there would be interviews, press conferences. 1000 pictures on the net. They would have milked it for all its worth. Instead there is nothing.. Nothing at all.
w w w.kfz.net/autobilder/chevrolet/corvette/wallpaper/
Here is the actual car on the Ring. Its the red one. You can clearly see Sparco Evo2 race interior, a full rollcage and its running on semi-slick LeMans tyres. The oldest trick in the book to generate spectacularly misleading lap times.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha its running on pilots..and has the safety features required to run the ring..everything else is showroom stock.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Hahaha showroom stock.. except the parts that arent. Does it EVER get embarrassing for you guys ? You flagwaving idiots. Its there.. Right infront of you. Modded cars and bullshit claims. But its all about belief and faith to you biblethumping flagwavers. Never facts.
hahaha safety equipment "required" hahaha. You people. Did they strip out the interior and replace the bargain basement budget seats with racing equipment for "safety" too? Hahaha. Showroom stock, my fucking arse.
Janusha 1 month ago
And yes.. Its red. The second time they ran their cars there, it was yellow. Do I REALLY have to school you on this again?
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha in this video running the fastest time its a yellow zr1 ..not red..and you havnt proved anything about the zr1 being modded just for the ring one bit..all you say is we must be blind to think its not modded..hello? it does not need mods to run so fast..it a zr1 you fool..over 600 hp and some of the best brakes around..and its carbon and poly so its very light..your just mad because you hate america and cant cope with the fact the zr1 is a 7 min ring car stock.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
The car from 2008 was red. The latest one was yellow. Do you think someone ELSE shows up to the Ring in tweaked out Corvettes to "benchmark" it ?
Dont try to squeese bullshit past me. Others have tried that and failed with better attempts than that. Haha carbon on a Corvette.. Dream on fanboy.
Janusha 1 month ago
@Janusha Dream on?The use of carbon fiber is pretty extensive throughout the ZR1.. The wider fenders are made of the material, as are the hood, roof panel, roof bow, front fascia splitter and rocker moldings..Come on now kid..your hate for american cars has made you blind to facts and is misleading your thoughts.
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo
Forexample a Lambo Murcielago which IS a carbon car, uses 85 kilos of the stuff. There its used for structural rigidity and contributes to a significant weight loss.
If you fit all the "carbon" optional extras on a ZR1 you get a rear wing, a thin layer of tuneshop grade carbon on the aluminium roof and the front splitter. Thats a full 2 kilos of carbon. On visible places so they can point at it in dealers and claim its a "carbon car" when it really isnt. Its complete bullshit.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
And isnt it amazing... How you guys love to shout "bang for the buck" and how the Corvette is so much cheaper than the real thing... So why is it then such a shock to you that its cheaply built? For fucks sake... If it was a carbon car. It would cost what carbon cars cost. But it doesnt. Because who the hell would pay Lambo price for a GM. This is american teenager logic.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
@Janusha You fool its not a complete carbon car..and most of the carbon is painted to match the car color..lol..if they are tryn to bullshit then why hide the carbon?you didnt even think the car had any carbon..lol..get a life and stop hating its pathetic!
TheDubeo 4 weeks ago
@Janusha You have no facts..just hate..im sure the zr1 carbon fiber hood ALONE is more then the 2 kilos you try to claim the zr1 uses..lol..its ok kid get a life you like lambo's then go watch lambo videos..stop trolling chevy videos i see you trolling all over youtube its pathetic realy..lol.
TheDubeo 4 weeks ago
@TheDubeo
yeah yeah come on with your tuneshop after market extras. Its funny how you want to make carbon sound heavy now.. Its the other way around, stupid. Hahaha you people are amazing. By the way my company back in the day owned 2 Lambos. Ive been to the Pagani, Lambo, Koenigsegg, Lotus, Ferrari factories. I dont talk from a teenagers perspective. Put the flag down now and walk away.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
By the way... There is a paintjob on the 2012 Corvette called called Carbon black or something... hahaha carbon paint !! Thats funny. Anything so that they can call it a carbon car when its got more tupperware plastic than it has actual carbon. And they get away with it... It works. Because here you are. Telling me that Corvettes have extensive use of carbon. If you havent understood it yet. I dont hate cars. Just the ridiculous myths and wild claims out of you guys. carbon roof bow. Hahha.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
@Janusha no, its not fake carbon paint you fool..and its all facts not claims..all you do is make claims with no fact to back up anything..lol get a life loser and stop trolling chevy videos,
TheDubeo 4 weeks ago
@TheDubeo
Keep waving those flags dude. Its working out so well for you guys.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
@Janusha and you are from?
TheDubeo 4 weeks ago
@TheDubeo
Now... The only reason you could possibly want to know that is so that you can find some way to discriminate my nationality. I dont quite see the relevance to the topic. But hey... I dont hide where Im from.
Now do the american thing and tell me how I cannot possibly know any of these things because my country dont make cars.
Janusha 4 weeks ago
@Janusha lol you wont say what country you live in but try to bash america?..lol..your pathetic!!!!!!
TheDubeo 4 weeks ago
@TheDubeo "you wont say what country you live in but you try to bash america?.."
You cant go into any american-car related youtube video with out running into Janusha. Hes a flag-burning anti american that refuses to support any of his claims and assertions. Last I checked hes Norwegian, but as he was the one who stated this ive no clue to its actual validity.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
@Janusha sorry bud but this car is yellow not red!lol!
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@TheDubeo "sorry bud but this car is yellow not red!lol!"
Congrats on not being color blind champ. Yes this car is indeed yellow. Yes they had a red one too. News flash Kiddo- They had *multiple* vettes there. Youd have to be a ignorant biased prejudice Norwegian myth spewing bigot not to expect them to have brought multiples. Is this your only "proof" that theyre lieing? "But look, there was a red one too!" Surely you can muster up more than that slugger.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
@Janusha and u havnt said shit about how this car is modded..yes they practice on tracks built like the ring..so what?
TheDubeo 1 month ago
@Janusha you are right about the cage, but the tires are an option. ps2 cup zero pressure. they are on the website.
mrhazel 1 month ago
@Janusha "Its about faith and belief for you guys. Not facts and reality"
And yet janusha you are the *only* one who shys away when asked for ANY facts to support your claims. You claim that these cars were modified as if you *knew* that was what was happened. Hey- Thats find. But wheres YOUR proof, Where are YOUR facts. Youve nothing but empty sourcless claims supported by nothing but "cuz i know so!"s. Let us know when *you* can bring facts to the table.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago
@SidewaysGts
Im not the one claiming ridiculous bullshit at the Ring or anywhere else. Im the one questioning ridiculous claims of which there is little or no substance whatsoever. We been through this before. Show me what "records" these jokers claim to have broken. Show me how these cars were "showroom stock" show me how in the world anyone can call the Ring an "international benchmark" of any sense of the word aslong as NONE of the big names are playing this game outside your X-box.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
My ability to supply any kind of evidence is restricted by the availability of credible info... Of which there is none. So why do you guys wave those flags and desperately skip these enormous black holes in the myth ? Because its all about belief and faith... Faith in your own superiority regardless of staggering evidence to the contrary. Such things like logic and actual reality become mere details when its time to spin a good myth. And anyone disagreeing obviously "hates america"
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "And anyone disagreeing obviously 'hates america'.."
Weve been over this- numerous times. Its not because you "disagree" that youre a mythspewing, flag burning, ignorant, prejudice american hating bigot. We know this because you continually go out of your way to INSULT americans left and right- Not simply disagree not question- Flat out blatant unprovoked insults. You sit atop your ignorant-high horse and assume you can deduce *anything* about someone they are american.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha (pt2 insult) A simple search on youtube reveals to us that nearly all your posts on youtube are of you trolling the discussion sections of videos that predominantly feature american-cars and tell everyone how americans are a bunch all basically a bunch of patriotic liars hell bent on proving some false dominance by distorting the truth. You dont question anything, you dont bring ANY evidence to support your claims. You just insult, talk shit, then hide from any inquiries.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha Its ok that youre a flag burning bigot, we really dont care- youve no reason to hide and lie about this fact. Again the burden of proof is on you, no one (not just americans) sees anything "extraordinary" about these claims. An aluminum monocoque chassised, transaxled, 640 horsepowered supercharged v8, carbon cermaic braked vehicle utilizing some of the stickiest street tires available lays down a top-notch time? Blasphemy. The only question is WHY you question its speed.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha ZR1 laps the Nurburgring in 7:19 BONE STOCK and it's ALL AMERICAN, BITCH! AMERICA is the best country on the planet and you can't handle it because you're from some shitty European country. So sit back down and suck on my big AMERICAN DICK!....SON!
07Z06ss 3 weeks ago
@07Z06ss
I dont question its speed.. Fucks sake Ferrari did 7 minute laps at the Ring 40 years ago. Porsche did 6 minutes 11 seconds 30 years ago. So why shouldnt americans be able to do it today. Trouble is... You need to inject Kennedy grade patriotism directly into your eyeballs to believe you get a 7 minute Nurburgring ready car when you buy a Corvette. And this idea of the Ring as some kind of "benchmark" is an all american myth.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha Cars did do very quick laps back in the 70s and such on the Nurburgring but they were not stock production, they were full out race cars....todays cars that are stock production (meaning the way it comes off of the factory line) are tearing up the Nurburgring and the American cars are on top.
07Z06ss 3 weeks ago
@07Z06ss
What Im saying is that speed on its own is nothing new. Cars will only go so fast before they no longer stick to the road and can be handled by a normal customer. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo all started doing 200 mph in the 80s and dont go any faster today because its useless in actual reality. If speed on its own was the goal with supercars, you could just stick numberplates on old racecar tech which is essentially what americans do. Its not magic... Speed is the easy part.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha You keep talking about speed yet the Nurburgring is the benchmark track to test the handling of the worlds best performance vehicles, and American cars are in the top 2% of fastest lap times for stock production street legal vehicles.
07Z06ss 3 weeks ago
@07Z06ss
THERE IS NO BENCHMARKING GOING ON AT THE RING.... What part of this is hard for you guys to understand ? Its Nissan, the americans and now Lexus. Would you say thats enough for claiming to be best in the wooooorld? The Ring is a closed down racetrack, some days a test track for mainly german cars and the rest of the time its a tourist attraction where you pay to have a go in full public with the track full of other cars. Try some reading.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha ,All the big names test there cars at the RING!!!! wow you are more ignorant than I thought... Tell your mom to up your allowance so you can buy a corvette someday... You are a jealous fool of AMERICA and its CORVETTE...You are nothing but a troll that has NO FACTS to back your rediculous claims.... Hey your mom is yelling at you to pick up your room..Do it and be a good little girl...
zeusdog34 3 weeks ago
@zeusdog34
Many TEST their cars at the ring. Endurance testing mostly. Because 2 days at the Ring with TEST drivers puts as much strain on various components as a family can do in a year. But factory sanctioned BENCHMARKING doesnt happen outside your fucking x-box. Again... We had the god damn ring for nearly 100 years and along comes americans... Claim wooorld records on their first weekend, trying to teach ME something about the Ring and what goes on there. Get a grip.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha Awww is someone upset because Americans are beating europeans at their own game? lol
07Z06ss 2 weeks ago
@07Z06ss
Hahaha yeah. Thats exactly the myth that you guys keep telling yourselves. And thats all it takes for something to be "true" over there where belief and faith is more important than facts and reality.
Show me what "records" these jokers actually claim to have beaten at the Ring. Fastest car? Not by a mile.
Then show me who else does this. Europes own game... On your x-box. Nowhere else.
Janusha 2 weeks ago
@Janusha, like I said you are a ignorant fool.. Its ok to be jealous.The Zr1 and the Viper have the fastest lap times for a ROAD legal sports car( under $500k).You keep refering to xbox not really sure why(did your mom take it away from you)?? The Zr1 has the best all around performance numbers for a super car under $500k
zeusdog34 2 weeks ago
@Janusha..Zr1 specs $110k,638hp.Top speed 205mph,0-60 3-3.3sec, 1/4 mile 11sec at 130mph,Brake 60-0 97feet,lateral G 1.18 .Magnetic ride control(Chevy invented) that most of the highend luxury cars and FERRARI are using.. Decent use of carbon fiber(hood,roof,splitter,wing ect.). Actually go ahead a be jealous the zr1 a worthy TOP supercar!!!
zeusdog34 2 weeks ago
@Janusha "Im not the one claiming ridiculous bullshit at the ring"
Thats nice. Who is?
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@SidewaysGts
Oh come on.... Give me strenght. These ridiculous Ring laps were orignially done smack in the middle of their collective bankruptcy inorder to prove to Obama they were internationally competitive and worthy of the 100 billion dollar aid package. Since then, this has been thrown around by every flagwaving fuckwit as conclusive proof of an entirely fictional US superiority. Today your whole base "knowledge" of your cars and their position internationally is based on myth and faith.
Janusha 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "Oh come on.. Give me strenght. These ridiculous Ring Laps were originally done smack in the middle of their collective bankruptcy inorder to prove to Obama they were internationally competitive and worthy of the 100 billion dollar aid package"
Even *IF* your farfetched reasoning here IS true, "So what"? This is in no way, shape, or form, "Proof they faked their nurburgring lap times!" Yes Janusha- Please come on.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "Since then, this has been thrown around by every flagwaving fuckwit as conclusive proof of an entirely fictional US superiority"
Again- Like who? Please name me some people. Surely youre basing this conclusion on more than just some internet idiots who enjoy spewing shit on the net, right?
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "your whole base 'knowledge' of your cars and their position internationally is based on myth and faith'.."
Faith in what myths, Champ? I need no "Faith" to believe the "myth" The a 600+ supercharged v8 powered vehicle with ceramic brakes, aluminum monocoque chassic, moderately down-force capable vehicle using double wish-bones front & rear with some of the fattest and stickiest border-line "Street" tires is monstrously fast. Id need *your* faith to accept that itd be slow.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha In the end janusha- Its of little surprise that youre defaulting to your cowardly run around. I dont want your delusional conspiracy theories, nor do i care why you hate america and its flag-waving idiots. Again you speak as if you KNOW they "faked" their times. I want to know *how* you know this. Giving me reasoning for why theyd want to have something to boast about is hardly evidence of anything, other than their having a need to want to boast about something. Try again.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha (pt2 try again) You know, with *actual* facts as to "why" these vehicles couldnt do what we *see* them doing here- Ie numbers demonstrating that examples of what we see in this video dont match.. Or maybe results from 3rd parties demonstrating with tests that theyre unable to match similar performance values, or ACTUAL evidence that "they cheated!", you know- *REAL* evidence. NOT distorted delusion conspiracies. Dont fret too hard- We all know you dont *Really* have any of this
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha , you are a fool !!! Its fine that you hate America and its cars,and the reason you do is JEALOUSY simple as that... You are a waste of space thats does not have a clue about cars... Find the closest bridge and jump..
zeusdog34 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "Im the one questioning ridiculous claims of.."
No champ- You *not* simply "questioning" the claims. You are making assertions that conclude us to believe you KNOW for a fact theyre fabricating stories about the vehicles in questions. Theres a world of difference there. Again, your assertion is nice- but until you offer us the PROOF (ANY would be nice) that support your claims, your assertions are merely empty myths with no backing.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "Show me how how these cars were 'showroom stock'.."
Or simply compare the performance of this video, or any of the ones in question, to the performance we know theyre capable of out of the box- and elaborate on discrepancies. I dont see any of the vehicles you question doing things out of the ordinary from what they can do factory. You are the *only* one however that seems to think so- The burden of proof is on you here slugger, not me nor anyone else for the time being.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "Show me how in the world anyone can call the Ring an 'international benchmark' of any sense of the word"
Sure- But first name me ONE other track in the world thats impressive as the nurburgring in scale, size, and difficulty, as the nurburgring. Its not *just* americans who are awed by the impressiveness of this track. Japan was taking cars to the ring long before americans were- BMI Has covered numerous sections on it. The british? Equally as "guilty" of loving the track.
SidewaysGts 3 weeks ago
@Janusha "What americans did was to take (Various cars), set them up for the ring.."
Any proof that this is what happened? Sources? Thanks.
SidewaysGts 4 weeks ago