Federer vs Djokovic Forehand - Slow-Motion

[Aman6395]

I dont like how Djokovic's elbow is bent before he already hits the ball. Roger's arm is more extended when his raquet makes contact with the ball. He get more length on his stroke. This is one of the reasons his forehand is better than Djokovic.

[Aman6395]

@Aman6395

Okay it is has nothing to do with length. His arm is simply more relaxed when he strikes the ball.

[TheFirstamendmentguy]

looks like Federer gets most of his power out of his quads on his right leg and Djokovich gets it more from upper body rotation

[TheFirstamendmentguy]

wow, Federer appears almost effortless compared to Djokovic

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Oh my god no WONDER you thought we were in disagreement! You don't consider the shoulder part of the arm!

I did consider it part of the arm! I mean of course it's part of the arm! The shoulder muscles and tendons directly move the arm!

Now are we on the same page yet if you consider the shoulder part of the arm?!

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Thank you for expressing agreement. That is all I wanted really.

But one minor thing, let's say for example 2 shots by 2 people were hit at the same speed and spin and the only difference was one guy uses his core more, the other guy less. How did the guy make up for the lost power if he used his core less? He'd have to make up for it somewhere else by....the legs.....or dare I say....the arm?

But like you say, we reached some agreement and I'd LOVE TO LEAVE IT AS SUCH!

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Slow down. You haven't "proven" anything. Just reread what I reposted. I know why you've misunderstood me already and have explained it already.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Saying any shot in tennis relies on arm stregth is not even sound figuratively...THAT'S WHY I NEVER SAID THAT.

I said in COMPARISON Nole's forehand relies MORE on arm strength compared to Fed. Fed uses his core better than Nole.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

I understand why you misunderstood me now.

You thought I said people should use more arm muscle strength. I did not. I was only comparing Nole's forehand vs Fed's. When comparing Nole and Fed's forehand, I pointed out that Fed's forehand was more efficient using his core muscles much better to propel his arms. Fed's arms are more relaxed and better suited to control the direction of the ball...when compared to Nole.

I was making a comparison, not a recommendation.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Yeah, I knew that. You're not the only one who knows this kind of stuff you know. It's not exactly a secret amongst tennis players.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

My god you finally got to the subject again.

Yes, like I said initially, we were in agreement from the beginning. I already knew what you were talking about and already talked about the difference as demonstrated by Nole and Fed.

For the love of god, we were saying the same thing but not verbatim. Get over it.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

How many posts are you going to waste trying to get over yourself just because I said something you disagreed with? If you want to discuss the topic that we disagree with fine, but if you keep talking about your hurt feelings or keep defending your character, you've lost my interest, since it is neither interesting nor on topic. The topic is tennis by the way, in case you forgot.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

Stop generalizing and stick with the specifics of the tennis subject at hand. You're beginning to troll.

You're not talking with "people like me" you're talking to me.

What exactly are you talking about? If you don't start talking specifics of tennis again like you started off doing, you're just talking nonsense to yourself and I will have nothing to do with it.

[miltyu97]

I didn't need correcting. You only assumed it. A discussion about the subject (rather than talking about me) would be the best way at figuring that out.

See there you go again being presumptuous saying stuff like "correct you", calling what I say "lies", pointing out "my flaws".

If you disagree, have a discussion, don't make personal attacks. That would be more in line with your lofty self characterization than what you demonstrated.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

I didn't say YOU are arrogant-I said your tone was. Learn to disassociate yourself from your tone.

Arm muscles have no strength and only contribute to stabilization & direction? Are you kidding? If the muscles have no strength...WHAT DOES, THE BONE?

Don't pretend the muscles don't have strength. Everyone knows it. What you meant to say is that using core muscles is more efficient leaving the arm muscles to stabilize and redirect the direction.

We said the same thing twice now.

[miltyu97]

@TennisAnnalyst

It would also be a good start if you'd understand what not being condescending or what not being pretentious meant.

As for the tennis techniques, we're both saying the same thing, but you don't realize it.

[Cash4Faysh]

Federer is moving the ball down the line on this shot which is why he moves to it then keeps his left leg out in front locking the hip from turning. If he opened up like Djokovic did on his shot, the ball would be going cross court. 2 different angles here.

[miltyu97]

Their forehands are quite different as you can see in the video.

Nole's arm stays bent through the swing. It relies on more arm muscle strenght...

While Fed's arm starts bent, straightens as it accelerates from the trunk and during impact, then bends after impact. His stroke uses late speed while Nole's stroke generates speed much earlier.

& because Fed uses late speed, he can afford to set up later and have less backswing. When he holds the swing, it throws his opponents the hell off.

[Antontoo]

Actually Monfils has recorded the hardest hit forehand at 120mph.

This vid is not a very good comparrison though - federer is chasing the ball and is forced to take the ball off of one leg while falling back a bit.

[RuthlessFerocity]

The hardest hit

forehand in tennis history

belongs to

Juan Martin del Potro

and Fernando Gonzales.

But Roger Federer

has the most aesthetically pleasant

the most elegant

the most effective (percentage wise)

forehand in all history.

[mysteriekiller]

Wrong, Monfils has hit the hardest forehand in history. It's a cannon.

[BCJT1]

I remember 2007 Australian Open! 190kph!

[huangyishi]

Federer is more wrist

[Snaurt]

The swings are very similar. It's the big difference in grips that puts the wrist and arm at a different angle on contact.

[Prickle]

novak has such an unorthodox forehand that I JUST LOVE IT!!!

[zm177]

key thing is Federer has his head down where he hits the ball for longer, it gives him amazing controle of the shot.

[MartinNepovim]

You cant compera forehand in rune with forehand, to which has someone more time. But when you comparing speed of forehands between these two, Novak know faster, he player forehand 116 mph fast, which is second fastest after Monfils. And when you look closely, Novak has longer trust out, or how to say it, (sorry for my english), and it means that speed when he hit shot is bigger, but he cant play so fast after jump of ball

[danytarshish]

are u sure its the second fastest? i think gonzales has the fastest forehand on tour.

[mansuliu]

the fastest is gael monfils and his 120mph forehand

[kundimaharaj]

federer's forehand is more deadly, so its better

[Bhastings91]

@kundimaharaj federers follow through is so much faster making it "deadly"

[Aquaboy99]

@Bhastings91 no one knows what makes it deady but federer himself :) we can only guesse!

[mfacundoli]

not a great view of federer's forehand, his body is leaned back. but roger is much closer to the ball then nole, that should give him more control

[MIRCETAAA]

bolji nole

[thesumokid]

there is a a huge difference. federes is much better because he looks through the ball much loner than djo. he keeps his eye on the ball until the ball is over the net.

[blackknight1129]

lol roger is moving on this shot which are his bests lol, well maybe its not a problem for them but for me running forehands are a teeny lil problem

[Marnikk01]

allmost the same

federe only does a jump

[haisoj11]

federer's swing is faster.... why?? you can see when djokovic strikes the ball his shoulders and hips will turn at the same time while federer have an enormous turn of shoulder turn but his hips does'nt get alat of hip turn..

[naikahnomtom]

look at federers arm, is straight thats allow him to swing faster

[dave5566]

wow great comparison.. gota know that they are using different grips though... so somewhat things can be very different... generally.. looks really similar though

[Henrii01]

Roger is just perfect.

[jameskinsman]

where Roger is unique is his follow through. He wraps around his midriff. Orthodox style suggests the shoulder but Roger is not like anyone else!

[annaarora]

lol even their rackets look similar..both having the wilson sign....but they are diff...kblade 93 nivak k factor 90 fedex

[pixpk]

I heard Fed really plays 88''...

[GyariSan]

lol I always found Djokovic's left arm weird when he strikes that forehand. I mean usually people would bend it through the rotation. But he seems to just let his left side go loose and keep it extended and straight.

[rocknrollboy]

yeah,their follow thru is diff.

[3timeMVPNash]

very similar, yet different.