Lieberman, Cheney, the whole RNC, the Military Industrial Ideological Complex, high unemployment...now you know why Obama was laughing "inappropriately" after he won the election while being interviewed on 60 Minutes. He knew before he won that McCain was nominated by his party to lose & that he, Obama, was stepping into a no-win mess. He's slipping in the polls b/c of high unemployment. But so was Reagan at this point in his 1st term. Regan's numbers were much lower.
YOU KNOW MOST OF THE "ALTERNATIVE NEWS AGENCIES" ARE CIA FRONTS.THE HEAVILY, SLICKLY-PROMOTED NOTION THAT WITHIN THE CIA (& FBI) ARE LOYVAL, pATRIOTIC aMERICANs (Edmonds, Scheuer, McGOVERN, et al) outraged by the NEOCONS.THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE.
RUBBISH. THIS WHOLE CHARADE IS A CIA DECEPTION
HERE'S THE NEWS,IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW: INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DON'T JUST MANIPULATE EXTERNAL EVENTS, THEY MANIPULATE THE IMAGE OF THEMSELVES PRESENTED IN THE MAINSTREAM & ALTERNATIVE MEDIA.
The US plays GUNSMOKE and Billy the Kid to the lives of other cultures and peoples. If I had a twofaced nation like the US at my borders plying the world with favors for disapproval of my nation. I would go down swinging and though defeated in the end I'd make that enemy regret they ever heard the name of my nation. You see. The US is not a nation. It is a rogue state. A dream of a few mysticalized visionaries that want this for the whole world whether they want it or not. We are the oppressors.
"True valor, physical courage, love of country, esprit de corps is not something liberals know anything about."
You need to separate what makes you feel good with the hidden agendas fueling such activities. While a soldier may feel that what he's accomplishing in his sphere of influence is positive there is a bigger picture that will unfold after he leaves (or maybe during) and may not be as noble as you think.
Two Aircraft Carrier fleets in the Gulf.Nuclear Missile armed Submarines now joining them.Cheney just returned from meetings in Israel.The Petraeus report to congress with Lieberman and others regurgitating the same warmongering rhetoric.Any chance of premtive attack hell yeh.Bush wont be going quietly.
First, the WAR IS OVER!!! get it in to ur minds and let it sink in, got it good. Second, The senate's conversation with Gen. Petraeus was more of get out now or else. The 4-star general is a man I trust more so than every person who is labeled Senater. Now I will leave this up to u the reader of this comment, Have u ever had a conversation with an iraqian citizen? Then, how can u trust this bullshit beuracray spred by the media?
Wasn't it George Bush who said that terrorists don't have a country? So why Iran? Why now? Was Iraq nothing more than a prelude to begin massive occupation of that area of the world?
"When you ask Americans what they think about their country, Conservatives are "PROUD"
When you ask liberals what they think about their country, they have an intense desire to "TRASH AMERICA."
Why? Because of their hatred for their country."
Great, now ask other countries all around the world what they think of America as it currently stands. They all must be "America hating liberals" right? I love this "if you disagree with me you hate America" mentality.
I just researched The Real News and learned that their founding members are all Neo-Liberals and/or Marxists with a bone to pick, and they call this balanced journalism? HA! No wonder their every attack is agains Neo-Conservatism or anything non liberal.
How is it they manage to obtain "tax deductable" donations??? This needs to be seriously looked in to. They are gearing up for the 2008 US election to make their stand. Look for massive LIES AND DECEPTION covered well in SHEEPS CLOTHING!
tantricity7: Hahahah!...No you didn't. But what would one expect from someone who think that the real new come from the FOX network. Hahahaha! Anyone who DOES research it (Wikipedia or Google) will immediately fine out you're making stuff up out of thin air like all the neo-cons do. You guys are laughable.
No, I am not making it up. Please do Wikipedia it. And research the backgrounds of Lewis Lapham, Gore Vidal, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, and Howard Zinn. I think Howard Zinn should be an easy one for you. LOL
Everything I said is true, and the fact that both of you can only call names and point to Fox News shows just how far left you really are, and thus why you would want to defend this marxist news site.
For the NeoCon that says "we don't kill civilians"
US General "Howling Jake" Smith launched a "reign of terror" on the island. "Kill and burn..." Smith said "the more you kill and burn the more you'll please me." When asked the age limit for killing, he said, "Everything over ten." The order from Smith was that Samar becomes a "howling wilderness" so that "even the birds could not live there."
One volunteer from the state of Washington who wrote: "Our fighting blood was up, and we all wanted to kill 'niggers'.... this shooting human beings beats rabbit hunting all to pieces."
So you say the Americans only kills civilians by accident.
What you say is not true...upgrade you perceptions...if you can.
Gee, let me say it again...'Clearly' they are trying to get a nuclear weapon. I'm not saying initially they didn't feel they had to since Sadaam was telling everyone he had one. But if you don't think they're wanting one, you're out of the loop of reality.
It's a sad day in a democracy when the military leaders are more peaceful, more honest, and more aligned with the people than the civilians we supposedly elect to represent us.
I thought this was supposed to be the Real News? Iran was the entire subject of this piece yet no mention was made about the nuclear bomb they are clearly trying to get. How does that happen?
Mediation makes good sense. If you had a disagreement with your neighbor, would you just refuse to acknowledge they exist or insisted they make certain concessions before you talk with them. Well Hell No! You'd try to negotiate & discuss your problems to arrive at a conclusion where you could both live together in your neighborhood peacefully!I believe we should be talking!
Well, lets start with Iran. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism throughout the middle east. Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan..all are more violent due to Iran. I have yet to see the US PURPOSEFULLY blow up innocent civilians. And THAT is the difference.
I dont listen to Rush, never have. As far as my education goes: Fuck off. Terrorists INTEND to kill the innocent while we do so in war accidentally. If you cant comprehend the difference than perhaps your own education is lacking.
As one US congressman, who visited the Philippines at the time, was quoted as saying "They never rebel in Luzon (Philippines) anymore because there isn't anybody left to rebel...our soldiers took no prisoners, they kept no records, they simply swept the country and wherever and whenever they could get hold of a Filipino they killed him."
some americans are still deluded in thinking that america will be a superpower forever, they will die a painful death from their own stupidity and arrogance. i pitysome americans like the truthers and Ron Paul supporters, the rest on the other hand . . .
How can the US have the NERVE to call Iran destructive considering the mass murder we have commited.
Iran SUPPORTS Maliki , Iran IS a Democracy , Iran HAS let the UN to look at their nuclear program. Israel REFUSES to let the UN in to look at its programs, the US HAS used nukes........WAKE UP AMERICA
That is like saying that America would still be a democracy even if all the presidential and congressional powers were subject to the Supreme Christian Leader, appointed by 86 christian scholars who interpret the christian bible and ensures that all decisions made by the "presidential and congressional PUPPET government" were in line with CHRISTIAN LAW!
I'm not sure where "tantricity7" got "iran is a democracy part" Paul Jay or the professor never made that remark. Watch the video again. And just so you know in terms of "democracy" Iran is a far more democractic country then our "allies" Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan. And the list goes on.
ON the side note why can't this be on the news! So stupid Americans could wake up and gain some common sense. See the deceptions of their policymakers and all the hypocrisy they speak.
Hey Real News, dont take sides, your doing good,but I notice your leaning to sides like the main media you're saying to compete with I donate $10 every week
Why is this government going in the direction they are going? We have become the terrorists. Where in our Constitution does it say we are to take over the world? Not to make small of it but, Leave that to Pinky of Pinky And The Brain (cartoon). We need to take care of US!!! This government has given up on its citizens for their own benefit. And, GREAT format to your news. Thanks for being here.
I might send in a donation if you were to get rid of that misinformed guy Pepe that reports for you. I have heard him make some untrue statements. The Real News aint so real sometimes.
Once he tried to say that John McCain is a neocon. Im not for McCain but he is not a neocon. He is just a hawkish military man. He served his country, unlike the wussie neocons like Bush & Cheney. He would not milk a war for profit like them. He is just an old warhawk who believes that war is the solution. Yes, the neocons are supporting him but that is because there is nobody else even close to them. Rudy was their no.1 guy but he is long gone. Calling McCain a neocon is shotty reporting.
I don't see that as a basis to discredit someone as a reporter. Whether he fits the description of a neocon or not, McCain actively accepts their support and is therefore at least a part of the group in that respect.
You wanted an example, so I gave you 1. Sorry but I dont care for Pepe whatshisname. I think he is a wannabe. Someone who was not good enough for something more than youtube.
Notice how the marxist TRN minions act like nothing happened as you censored Pluvious7 for no valid reason but for expressing an opinion vastly different from your own. It is you left wing radicals who are the modern fascists and one can only hope that the Neocons are waiting for you in the wings.
Lieberman is seen once a gain wispering in McCain's ear, I know McCain is senile and has a hard time remembering who's who between AlQaed, Shia and Sunni, but do a better job at briefing the man before cameras roll so he doesnt look as much as a clueless puppet as he does now. An ear piece so that he can be told what to say in real time might be good.
This seems a bit confusing to me. If Iran is in support of the Maliki government why is it supporting the insurgency at the same time? Is Iran playing both sides of the fence in hopes of winning some political advantage if and when the United States leaves? And if Iran is playing both sides of the fence why doesn't the United States do the same thing? It seems to me Maliki is too weak to generate any National support in Iraq. We should back a more substantial figure who has the power.
It should be Bush speaking to congress and the American people. I hate when a chicken hawk hides behind an American Hero. The General job is to carry out policy, not defend it. That's the president's job.
Great report Real News! As always, your reports are better when you try to re-frame current issues. I prefer this type of reporting to the editorializing via experts that has characterizing your reporting lately.
Iran might well be a Democracy right now had we not assassinated their democratically elected leader decades ago. When Iran decided to go national with their oil the oil mafia wasn't going to have it. The same can be seen with Hugo Chávez who faced a Bush backed coup but won his people wouldn't allow it. I may not like either leaders of those countries but there are two sides to every story & these are the facts. MOST of our problems are from the OIL MAFIA, they sure LOVE BUSH! Theyre terrorists
This news commentary is living proof that you can see just about anything that you want to. If it wasn't for your so-called "neocon" firm stances, there would be no supportive Iran. I think a part of you knows this, but you just like chasing boogey men. :)
The neocons of which you speak get to take a firm stances at somebody else expense and we all know who the enemy is and it's name is greed.
These reported cases of corperate war profiteering isn't just somebody chasing boogy men. These are documented FBI investigations based on lawsuits, some of which have been won. In some cases the companies, such as Blackwater, should have been tried for treason.
War is ugly, no one can argue that. Please define your alternative, short of just saying "leave now with our tail between our legs." But corporate war profiteering? Someone has to make the weapons needed, someone has to do the reconstruction, and someone has to provide the security to do that reconstruction...
...But what about the profiteers in bed with Saddam in the massive Oil for Food scandal? (Namely France, Germany and Russian...which happens to be the three holdouts in going into Iraq.) Are these not a worse kind of "corporate war profiteers"?
If you research the neocons you will find that they are both republican and former democrats that believe in a political philosopher named Leo Strauss. Strauss thought freedom was dangerous because it promoted individualism which destroys the fabric of society. His plan to take freedom away was to replace it with myths about good and evil and make sure there is always an external enemy to unite the ignorant peasants.
"The trial of Socrates was the first act of "political" philosophy, and Plato's dialogues were the purest form of the political treatment of philosophy, their sole comprehensive theme being the life and death of Socrates, the philosopher par excellence for Strauss and many of his students." -from wikipedia...
...I would be with Strauss on this one. The alternative is the Sophist's and Plato's dialetic method form of truth finding that resulted in the mainstream news media that we see operating today.
OH, You're staying in I Iraq for some time to come, it has nothing to do with cut and running, it's just doing the math. I can only be grateful that Canada wasn't as stupid as to commit to such a venture as Iraq.
The problem is that there are allot of high level officals in your government who need to be held to account, including Bush and Chaney.
Did you watch the bbc produced documentary to find if it is credible? Did you google Leo Strauss read anything he wrote or was written about him? Why should I do unpaid research for some one with access to a search engine?
Can you at least give the name of the documentary? Someone did frontline piece on the showdown with Iran and I found it very informative. Now, to find who I was discussing that issue with.
Summary of Strauss. The only natural right is the right of the strong to dominate the weak. Freedom leads to nihilism and that can be corrected by "Noble lies" about good and evil. The elite should pretend to believe in God to manipulate people but know it is a lie. Perpetual war is the only way to generate a nationalist fervor to unify the ignorant masses.
Well, I would disagree with all of this, if it is true. Please show me the exact publication of his for verification. I'm doubting you at this moment. Wikipedia does not confirm any of this. Perhaps your own summary of Strauss and not his own???
Strauss is a legendary and the amount of info on the internet about him both quotes and commentary about him will take you some time to figure out. After investigation I trust you will find my summary to be fairly accurate.
...It seems to me you summize that the neocons hate liberals more than islamicists, who also late liberals. I dissagree. The islamicists hate liberals and the neocons are addressing the islamicist threat. While the neocons may agree with islamic concerns with regards to the moral relevatism and spiritual rot that liberalism breeds, they part company with regards to the freedom to be a liberal. You liberals own your "liberty" to be liberal to the neocons. Imagine that.
However, I do appreciate "The Power of Nightmares" documentary, made by liberals, for it's highlighting of how the neocons overexaggerate the threat. We don't want them doing that, now do we? The US Military learned, like the documenteers learned, that there were no elaborate cave networks in the mountains of Afghanistan...
...So, they gave the islamicist fascists too much credit for being highly funded and well trained, when in reality they were only just a bunch of outcast, poor losers envious of democratic prosperity, who drew their 9/11 plans out on toilet paper...
...and were anihliated in the first round of bombing. No, the documentary is right, there are no terror cells or loose threats running around without a country. In fact, they have a country, and it's name....is IRAN!!!
The neocons posted a documentary from the project for a new american century called rebuilding americas defenses where they admit they could not get the people behind their foreign policy absent a catastrophic incident like a new pear harbor. This document was posted a year before 9/11. It is a boring read but some unbelievable statements about what they would use the military for after the new pearl harbor.
I hear you and sympathize but that doesn't make them guilt of committing the atrocity themselves. The Power of Nightmares doesn't even suggest that. Perhaps you are mixing their documentary with the 9/11 concidences videos?
The father of the Neocons is Irving Kristol former hard core democrat who believed the reforms of the liberals produced more crime and chaos and proved the average person was too stupid to handle freedom. This liberal that you call was republican from 1976 until the party of fiscal responsibility and liberty passed the patriot act and doubled the national debt.
Let me see if I understand you correctly: You were once a conservative but because some of your fellow conservatives moved to the left a little and became neocons, you decided to go extreme left? Is that it?
I had a sudden realization that the ideological difference between the two parties in election years disappear after they get elected and it is time to look at candidates individually regardless of party.
One issue voters have been drug to the polls for decades over the same issues and so there is no reason to solve them. When legislation is introduces by either side to make it look like they are trying to fulfill campaign promises it will always include a poison pill. Something added to it to make sure the other party will make sure it does not pass. Lots of grandstanding and finger pointing follows but the legislation was crafted in a way to make sure it would not pass.
A recent example is the dems grandstanding over their legislation to let bankruptcy judges reset mortgage rates. The dems wold not let the Republicans amendments come up for votes even though that had enough votes to vote them down. This gave the Republicans an excuse to oppose it. Wall street lobbyist fund both sides of the aisle and did not want this to pass. It did not pass. Coincidence? A circus for the people .
Some would see that as a poison pill for the economy if it did pass. Talk about abuse of the welfare state. Bottom line is if investors can't make money, investors won't lend money. I think that the dems thought that they believed in something but when they got close to the fire, they weren't so sure of it and became afraid of the potential backlash. Happens all the time...
The legislation would have allowed bankruptcy judges to reset loan rates on the primary residence only and then if he believed they were victims of unfair lending practices. Investment and rent property were not included. I don't see how they could get backlash from that because voters of both parties got caught in the housing crisis. They could expect a backlash in campaign contributions though.
...and then they meet for dinner afterwards. I hear what you are saying but i'm not so sure that they are smart enough to coordinate that well. If they could, they could really get something positive done for the people. I'm guessing that it is just the nature of the beast and something that "we the people" need to sort out. Maybe we should try to find a way to trick the system to cause it to work on our behalf.
Iran is a Shia nation. Of course they'll look after their Shia neighbors. It's in the national interest of Iranian National Security. Hell they have more of right to be there than America does.
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
YOU KNOW MOST OF THE "ALTERNATIVE NEWS AGENCIES" ARE CIA FRONTS.THE HEAVILY, SLICKLY-PROMOTED NOTION THAT WITHIN THE CIA (& FBI) ARE LOYVAL, pATRIOTIC aMERICANs (Edmonds, Scheuer, McGOVERN, et al) outraged by the NEOCONS.THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE.
RUBBISH. THIS WHOLE CHARADE IS A CIA DECEPTION
HERE'S THE NEWS,IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW: INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DON'T JUST MANIPULATE EXTERNAL EVENTS, THEY MANIPULATE THE IMAGE OF THEMSELVES PRESENTED IN THE MAINSTREAM & ALTERNATIVE MEDIA.
spotZsp00k 2 years ago
There's no left in the US. Only far right and sort of right center! And about your religious dogma, the devil exists as much as santa claus!
zappageek 3 years ago 3
Really funny mate! I was laughing my head off with your comment spot on!
Kalydosos 3 years ago
The US plays GUNSMOKE and Billy the Kid to the lives of other cultures and peoples. If I had a twofaced nation like the US at my borders plying the world with favors for disapproval of my nation. I would go down swinging and though defeated in the end I'd make that enemy regret they ever heard the name of my nation. You see. The US is not a nation. It is a rogue state. A dream of a few mysticalized visionaries that want this for the whole world whether they want it or not. We are the oppressors.
distressed7 3 years ago 2
Lindsey Graham is a little bitch that needs a slap in the mouth!!
AiresQX4 3 years ago
Slap in the mouth? Look who sounds like the bitch.
tantricity7 3 years ago
AMERICALOVESHEROS wrote:
"True valor, physical courage, love of country, esprit de corps is not something liberals know anything about."
You need to separate what makes you feel good with the hidden agendas fueling such activities. While a soldier may feel that what he's accomplishing in his sphere of influence is positive there is a bigger picture that will unfold after he leaves (or maybe during) and may not be as noble as you think.
MrEclectik 3 years ago
Still the name calling but at least you acknowledge it.
But Fox News?? Yeah, why not? They are ONLY ones where you can hear BOTH SIDES! (certainly unlike TheRealNews...and the rest of the mainstream news)
tantricity7 3 years ago
Two Aircraft Carrier fleets in the Gulf.Nuclear Missile armed Submarines now joining them.Cheney just returned from meetings in Israel.The Petraeus report to congress with Lieberman and others regurgitating the same warmongering rhetoric.Any chance of premtive attack hell yeh.Bush wont be going quietly.
johndownunder 3 years ago
First, the WAR IS OVER!!! get it in to ur minds and let it sink in, got it good. Second, The senate's conversation with Gen. Petraeus was more of get out now or else. The 4-star general is a man I trust more so than every person who is labeled Senater. Now I will leave this up to u the reader of this comment, Have u ever had a conversation with an iraqian citizen? Then, how can u trust this bullshit beuracray spred by the media?
potheadenjoylife456 3 years ago
Wasn't it George Bush who said that terrorists don't have a country? So why Iran? Why now? Was Iraq nothing more than a prelude to begin massive occupation of that area of the world?
TainaAtheist1 3 years ago
LMAO America already looks best. Majority of the world population considers United States to be the greatest danger to world peace.
It will only get worst, people are not blind to our imperial thirst, only silly proud flag waving ignorant American patriots are.
xShariNgaN01x 3 years ago 4
AMERICALOVESHEROS wrote:
"When you ask Americans what they think about their country, Conservatives are "PROUD"
When you ask liberals what they think about their country, they have an intense desire to "TRASH AMERICA."
Why? Because of their hatred for their country."
Great, now ask other countries all around the world what they think of America as it currently stands. They all must be "America hating liberals" right? I love this "if you disagree with me you hate America" mentality.
MrEclectik 3 years ago 2
I just researched The Real News and learned that their founding members are all Neo-Liberals and/or Marxists with a bone to pick, and they call this balanced journalism? HA! No wonder their every attack is agains Neo-Conservatism or anything non liberal.
How is it they manage to obtain "tax deductable" donations??? This needs to be seriously looked in to. They are gearing up for the 2008 US election to make their stand. Look for massive LIES AND DECEPTION covered well in SHEEPS CLOTHING!
tantricity7 3 years ago
tantricity7: Hahahah!...No you didn't. But what would one expect from someone who think that the real new come from the FOX network. Hahahaha! Anyone who DOES research it (Wikipedia or Google) will immediately fine out you're making stuff up out of thin air like all the neo-cons do. You guys are laughable.
ImAstraios 3 years ago
No, I am not making it up. Please do Wikipedia it. And research the backgrounds of Lewis Lapham, Gore Vidal, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, and Howard Zinn. I think Howard Zinn should be an easy one for you. LOL
Everything I said is true, and the fact that both of you can only call names and point to Fox News shows just how far left you really are, and thus why you would want to defend this marxist news site.
tantricity7 3 years ago
patraeus is a cfr member. cfr members dont turn on each other. if they do, it is an act that serves the cfr/neocon agenda.
HomeReality 3 years ago
I know what we did to the indians and this is no different only now were after oil
buttphone 3 years ago
okay ass pirate...think whatever you want. My question is...why is it still 3 bucks at the pump?
Luftwaffels 3 years ago
Now you're talking out of your buttphone.
tantricity7 3 years ago
this is going to be as easy as taking land from the indian's
buttphone 3 years ago
WOW!!
edpablo 3 years ago
European colonial powers killed Indians as well buttphone.
Victory1981 3 years ago
ahah you people so stupid
mistarcraw 3 years ago
ahah smell town
mistarcraw 3 years ago
Therealnews should be careful to be more formal. People who hate to hear the truth might use how they present news against them.
32oz 3 years ago
how would the truth about what they say be used against them?
edpablo 3 years ago
Are They talking about Chris Crocker ???
CliffDiverMusic 3 years ago
ggg
tantricity7 3 years ago
For the NeoCon that says "we don't kill civilians"
US General "Howling Jake" Smith launched a "reign of terror" on the island. "Kill and burn..." Smith said "the more you kill and burn the more you'll please me." When asked the age limit for killing, he said, "Everything over ten." The order from Smith was that Samar becomes a "howling wilderness" so that "even the birds could not live there."
fr44ed 3 years ago
One volunteer from the state of Washington who wrote: "Our fighting blood was up, and we all wanted to kill 'niggers'.... this shooting human beings beats rabbit hunting all to pieces."
So you say the Americans only kills civilians by accident.
What you say is not true...upgrade you perceptions...if you can.
fr44ed 3 years ago
If only you made sense.
tantricity7 3 years ago
Paul J is a prick
mooseknuckle6308 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Fuck America. Iran forever.
coszz 3 years ago
NUKE Iran NOW
SlipKnot7480 3 years ago
Gee, let me say it again...'Clearly' they are trying to get a nuclear weapon. I'm not saying initially they didn't feel they had to since Sadaam was telling everyone he had one. But if you don't think they're wanting one, you're out of the loop of reality.
jblakster 3 years ago
Reality? You live ie neoconland.
DelinquentFaith 3 years ago
You see what happens to countries, that are too weak to defend themselves, if they are unlucky enough to be sitting atop a pool of oil~
fr44ed 3 years ago
It's a sad day in a democracy when the military leaders are more peaceful, more honest, and more aligned with the people than the civilians we supposedly elect to represent us.
livinginlux 3 years ago 2
I thought this was supposed to be the Real News? Iran was the entire subject of this piece yet no mention was made about the nuclear bomb they are clearly trying to get. How does that happen?
jblakster 3 years ago
"clearly" ?? lool
clearly u do not get the politics in middle east ...
WhatAboutBut 3 years ago
Ron Paul has been saying for a long time that we need to be having discussion with Iran leaders & we should.
Of course, the Israeli Senator, who's been given a seat in our own Congress, still wants us to attack Iran & blow them off the map.
DillonX 3 years ago
Mediation makes good sense. If you had a disagreement with your neighbor, would you just refuse to acknowledge they exist or insisted they make certain concessions before you talk with them. Well Hell No! You'd try to negotiate & discuss your problems to arrive at a conclusion where you could both live together in your neighborhood peacefully!I believe we should be talking!
NanaHall55 3 years ago
we have killed thousands of innocent Iraq citizens what are you talking about
Waterteenfan 3 years ago 5
PJYost38... I would be very interested in reading how you would refute what televin has posted.
Pleblian 3 years ago
Well, lets start with Iran. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism throughout the middle east. Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan..all are more violent due to Iran. I have yet to see the US PURPOSEFULLY blow up innocent civilians. And THAT is the difference.
PJYost38 3 years ago
So the bombs we have dropped killing babies , others , fathers and families of Iraqis were ACCIDENTAL.
Just becaue , W SAYS Iran is a state sponser of terror doesn't make it so.
Turn off Russhhhhhhhhhhhhh and educate yourself
televin 3 years ago
I dont listen to Rush, never have. As far as my education goes: Fuck off. Terrorists INTEND to kill the innocent while we do so in war accidentally. If you cant comprehend the difference than perhaps your own education is lacking.
PJYost38 3 years ago
As one US congressman, who visited the Philippines at the time, was quoted as saying "They never rebel in Luzon (Philippines) anymore because there isn't anybody left to rebel...our soldiers took no prisoners, they kept no records, they simply swept the country and wherever and whenever they could get hold of a Filipino they killed him."
fr44ed 3 years ago
Huh? We're not fighting filipinos.
tantricity7 3 years ago
some americans are still deluded in thinking that america will be a superpower forever, they will die a painful death from their own stupidity and arrogance. i pitysome americans like the truthers and Ron Paul supporters, the rest on the other hand . . .
kingnek 3 years ago
How can the US have the NERVE to call Iran destructive considering the mass murder we have commited.
Iran SUPPORTS Maliki , Iran IS a Democracy , Iran HAS let the UN to look at their nuclear program. Israel REFUSES to let the UN in to look at its programs, the US HAS used nukes........WAKE UP AMERICA
televin 3 years ago 3
"Iran IS a Democrasy,"
HAHAHA...Now that is the joke of the year!
That is like saying that America would still be a democracy even if all the presidential and congressional powers were subject to the Supreme Christian Leader, appointed by 86 christian scholars who interpret the christian bible and ensures that all decisions made by the "presidential and congressional PUPPET government" were in line with CHRISTIAN LAW!
Now....wanna try that again? LOL
tantricity7 3 years ago
I'm not sure where "tantricity7" got "iran is a democracy part" Paul Jay or the professor never made that remark. Watch the video again. And just so you know in terms of "democracy" Iran is a far more democractic country then our "allies" Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan. And the list goes on.
ON the side note why can't this be on the news! So stupid Americans could wake up and gain some common sense. See the deceptions of their policymakers and all the hypocrisy they speak.
xShariNgaN01x 3 years ago 2
That is a coment from televin(uh...the comment that I responded to) whom Plebian wanted to hear some refutation on. LOL
tantricity7 3 years ago
War now with Iran because there can not be peace the leadership of this country.
edletsgo 3 years ago
A real news report FOX CNN NBC And other MAINSTREAM MEDIA LOOK AND LEARN.
johndownunder 3 years ago
The cheesy news music is good for the first, say, minute, but it's distracting after a while.
Adambiswanger1 3 years ago
Hey Real News, dont take sides, your doing good,but I notice your leaning to sides like the main media you're saying to compete with I donate $10 every week
alex53135 3 years ago
Why is this government going in the direction they are going? We have become the terrorists. Where in our Constitution does it say we are to take over the world? Not to make small of it but, Leave that to Pinky of Pinky And The Brain (cartoon). We need to take care of US!!! This government has given up on its citizens for their own benefit. And, GREAT format to your news. Thanks for being here.
djben1977 3 years ago
real news is so byast... Is horrible that they are right..
PoochDoobie 3 years ago
I might send in a donation if you were to get rid of that misinformed guy Pepe that reports for you. I have heard him make some untrue statements. The Real News aint so real sometimes.
Dedhedted71 3 years ago
Can you describe the statements?
xen0gen2600 3 years ago
Once he tried to say that John McCain is a neocon. Im not for McCain but he is not a neocon. He is just a hawkish military man. He served his country, unlike the wussie neocons like Bush & Cheney. He would not milk a war for profit like them. He is just an old warhawk who believes that war is the solution. Yes, the neocons are supporting him but that is because there is nobody else even close to them. Rudy was their no.1 guy but he is long gone. Calling McCain a neocon is shotty reporting.
Dedhedted71 3 years ago 3
I don't see that as a basis to discredit someone as a reporter. Whether he fits the description of a neocon or not, McCain actively accepts their support and is therefore at least a part of the group in that respect.
xen0gen2600 3 years ago
You wanted an example, so I gave you 1. Sorry but I dont care for Pepe whatshisname. I think he is a wannabe. Someone who was not good enough for something more than youtube.
Dedhedted71 3 years ago
Countless people who read Asia Times Online and watch The Real News Network would disagree.
TheRealNews 3 years ago
As I am sure countless people anti-american would. But rational people wouldn't
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago 2
Notice how the marxist TRN minions act like nothing happened as you censored Pluvious7 for no valid reason but for expressing an opinion vastly different from your own. It is you left wing radicals who are the modern fascists and one can only hope that the Neocons are waiting for you in the wings.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
What happened to Pluvious7 ?
What did he say?
I want to know before I donate.
fr44ed 3 years ago 2
He made only the comments you can see attributed to him in this thread. For that, he lost his posting abilities.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
And you can see that The Real News is watching because they have now posted to this thread. Highly unusual.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
My posting priviledges are back. Thank you.
tantricity7 3 years ago
Oh, and it's Tantricity7, not Pluvious7.
tantricity7 3 years ago
Yeah, Pepe appears to be a shill.
tantricity7 3 years ago
Unbelievable that Lieberman was almost vice pres.
ThespianTakeover 3 years ago
To who?
McCain was far from winning the 2000 election.
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
Lieberman was Gore's running mate.
ThespianTakeover 3 years ago
Oh yeah. Sorry, I just remember hearing "McCain-Lieberman" a lot.
MooseOfReason 3 years ago
Lieberman is seen once a gain wispering in McCain's ear, I know McCain is senile and has a hard time remembering who's who between AlQaed, Shia and Sunni, but do a better job at briefing the man before cameras roll so he doesnt look as much as a clueless puppet as he does now. An ear piece so that he can be told what to say in real time might be good.
Rickdeckard2020 3 years ago
This seems a bit confusing to me. If Iran is in support of the Maliki government why is it supporting the insurgency at the same time? Is Iran playing both sides of the fence in hopes of winning some political advantage if and when the United States leaves? And if Iran is playing both sides of the fence why doesn't the United States do the same thing? It seems to me Maliki is too weak to generate any National support in Iraq. We should back a more substantial figure who has the power.
pongman 3 years ago 2
It should be Bush speaking to congress and the American people. I hate when a chicken hawk hides behind an American Hero. The General job is to carry out policy, not defend it. That's the president's job.
deanrdd 3 years ago
mr betray -us need to get out of irak!!
guines08 3 years ago
Great report Real News! As always, your reports are better when you try to re-frame current issues. I prefer this type of reporting to the editorializing via experts that has characterizing your reporting lately.
random63x 3 years ago
Lindsey Graham is such a shill. He makes me sick! Blackwater is doing more harm than IRAN.
ljrow49 3 years ago
I'm starting to like General Petraeus.
TimberGeek 3 years ago 2
General Petraeus is the man
omen619 3 years ago
Iran might well be a Democracy right now had we not assassinated their democratically elected leader decades ago. When Iran decided to go national with their oil the oil mafia wasn't going to have it. The same can be seen with Hugo Chávez who faced a Bush backed coup but won his people wouldn't allow it. I may not like either leaders of those countries but there are two sides to every story & these are the facts. MOST of our problems are from the OIL MAFIA, they sure LOVE BUSH! Theyre terrorists
UTBESUX 3 years ago
I just donated to this VIEWER SUPORTED news channel. I hope others also will; it would be a shame if they fell short on funds.
calvinjones 3 years ago 6
Excellent!
ikekll 3 years ago 2
This news commentary is living proof that you can see just about anything that you want to. If it wasn't for your so-called "neocon" firm stances, there would be no supportive Iran. I think a part of you knows this, but you just like chasing boogey men. :)
tantricity7 3 years ago
The neocons of which you speak get to take a firm stances at somebody else expense and we all know who the enemy is and it's name is greed.
These reported cases of corperate war profiteering isn't just somebody chasing boogy men. These are documented FBI investigations based on lawsuits, some of which have been won. In some cases the companies, such as Blackwater, should have been tried for treason.
Pleblian 3 years ago
War is ugly, no one can argue that. Please define your alternative, short of just saying "leave now with our tail between our legs." But corporate war profiteering? Someone has to make the weapons needed, someone has to do the reconstruction, and someone has to provide the security to do that reconstruction...
tantricity7 3 years ago
...But what about the profiteers in bed with Saddam in the massive Oil for Food scandal? (Namely France, Germany and Russian...which happens to be the three holdouts in going into Iraq.) Are these not a worse kind of "corporate war profiteers"?
tantricity7 3 years ago
If you research the neocons you will find that they are both republican and former democrats that believe in a political philosopher named Leo Strauss. Strauss thought freedom was dangerous because it promoted individualism which destroys the fabric of society. His plan to take freedom away was to replace it with myths about good and evil and make sure there is always an external enemy to unite the ignorant peasants.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
"Strauss thought freedom was dangerous because it promoted individualism wihch destroys the fabric of society."
Show me his statements regarding this? You are making him sound like a Marxists and I understood him to be against Marxism and Nihilistic Liberalism.
I'll study Strauss now just to try to understand your position better but please show me some resources.
tantricity7 3 years ago
"The trial of Socrates was the first act of "political" philosophy, and Plato's dialogues were the purest form of the political treatment of philosophy, their sole comprehensive theme being the life and death of Socrates, the philosopher par excellence for Strauss and many of his students." -from wikipedia...
tantricity7 3 years ago
Tantricity7 has just been effectively CENSORED by the author of this site, assuming that is "the REAL news"???
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
But Tantricity7's continuation of this post is:
...I would be with Strauss on this one. The alternative is the Sophist's and Plato's dialetic method form of truth finding that resulted in the mainstream news media that we see operating today.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
But I guess that would also include more than just the mainstream news, but also "the REAL news"!
Wow!
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
OH, You're staying in I Iraq for some time to come, it has nothing to do with cut and running, it's just doing the math. I can only be grateful that Canada wasn't as stupid as to commit to such a venture as Iraq.
The problem is that there are allot of high level officals in your government who need to be held to account, including Bush and Chaney.
Pleblian 3 years ago
He wrote several books you could read there is also a documentary about them on google video called the power of nightmares.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
Not much for providing good sources.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
Or, I should say, not much for providing verifiable sources. May as well have said "library and internet". Ha.
RealNewsYeah 3 years ago
Did you watch the bbc produced documentary to find if it is credible? Did you google Leo Strauss read anything he wrote or was written about him? Why should I do unpaid research for some one with access to a search engine?
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
Can you at least give the name of the documentary? Someone did frontline piece on the showdown with Iran and I found it very informative. Now, to find who I was discussing that issue with.
tantricity7 3 years ago
The power of nightmares part 1. Adam Curtis BBC documentary that you can find on youtube or google video.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
Ok, thanks.
tantricity7 3 years ago
Summary of Strauss. The only natural right is the right of the strong to dominate the weak. Freedom leads to nihilism and that can be corrected by "Noble lies" about good and evil. The elite should pretend to believe in God to manipulate people but know it is a lie. Perpetual war is the only way to generate a nationalist fervor to unify the ignorant masses.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
Well, I would disagree with all of this, if it is true. Please show me the exact publication of his for verification. I'm doubting you at this moment. Wikipedia does not confirm any of this. Perhaps your own summary of Strauss and not his own???
tantricity7 3 years ago
Strauss is a legendary and the amount of info on the internet about him both quotes and commentary about him will take you some time to figure out. After investigation I trust you will find my summary to be fairly accurate.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
At least, fairly accurate enough to make a marxist heart swell?
tantricity7 3 years ago
Ok, I'm watching that documentary now. I still dissagree with your narrowminded conclusions but i'm trying to see your greater point...
tantricity7 3 years ago
...It seems to me you summize that the neocons hate liberals more than islamicists, who also late liberals. I dissagree. The islamicists hate liberals and the neocons are addressing the islamicist threat. While the neocons may agree with islamic concerns with regards to the moral relevatism and spiritual rot that liberalism breeds, they part company with regards to the freedom to be a liberal. You liberals own your "liberty" to be liberal to the neocons. Imagine that.
tantricity7 3 years ago
However, I do appreciate "The Power of Nightmares" documentary, made by liberals, for it's highlighting of how the neocons overexaggerate the threat. We don't want them doing that, now do we? The US Military learned, like the documenteers learned, that there were no elaborate cave networks in the mountains of Afghanistan...
tantricity7 3 years ago
...So, they gave the islamicist fascists too much credit for being highly funded and well trained, when in reality they were only just a bunch of outcast, poor losers envious of democratic prosperity, who drew their 9/11 plans out on toilet paper...
tantricity7 3 years ago
...and were anihliated in the first round of bombing. No, the documentary is right, there are no terror cells or loose threats running around without a country. In fact, they have a country, and it's name....is IRAN!!!
tantricity7 3 years ago
At minute 15:05 of part 3 of that documentary, it notes that 9-11 brought the neocons back in power. I thought they were already in power.
tantricity7 3 years ago
The neocons posted a documentary from the project for a new american century called rebuilding americas defenses where they admit they could not get the people behind their foreign policy absent a catastrophic incident like a new pear harbor. This document was posted a year before 9/11. It is a boring read but some unbelievable statements about what they would use the military for after the new pearl harbor.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago 2
I hear you and sympathize but that doesn't make them guilt of committing the atrocity themselves. The Power of Nightmares doesn't even suggest that. Perhaps you are mixing their documentary with the 9/11 concidences videos?
tantricity7 3 years ago
The father of the Neocons is Irving Kristol former hard core democrat who believed the reforms of the liberals produced more crime and chaos and proved the average person was too stupid to handle freedom. This liberal that you call was republican from 1976 until the party of fiscal responsibility and liberty passed the patriot act and doubled the national debt.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
Let me see if I understand you correctly: You were once a conservative but because some of your fellow conservatives moved to the left a little and became neocons, you decided to go extreme left? Is that it?
tantricity7 3 years ago
I had a sudden realization that the ideological difference between the two parties in election years disappear after they get elected and it is time to look at candidates individually regardless of party.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
And what did you determine using that method? Who's the one?
tantricity7 3 years ago
One issue voters have been drug to the polls for decades over the same issues and so there is no reason to solve them. When legislation is introduces by either side to make it look like they are trying to fulfill campaign promises it will always include a poison pill. Something added to it to make sure the other party will make sure it does not pass. Lots of grandstanding and finger pointing follows but the legislation was crafted in a way to make sure it would not pass.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
A recent example is the dems grandstanding over their legislation to let bankruptcy judges reset mortgage rates. The dems wold not let the Republicans amendments come up for votes even though that had enough votes to vote them down. This gave the Republicans an excuse to oppose it. Wall street lobbyist fund both sides of the aisle and did not want this to pass. It did not pass. Coincidence? A circus for the people .
crazycatfguy 3 years ago 2
Some would see that as a poison pill for the economy if it did pass. Talk about abuse of the welfare state. Bottom line is if investors can't make money, investors won't lend money. I think that the dems thought that they believed in something but when they got close to the fire, they weren't so sure of it and became afraid of the potential backlash. Happens all the time...
tantricity7 3 years ago
...Just like Obama will do when the "powers that be" sit him down and show him the real world of diplomacy. All of a sudden, "the troops must stay."
tantricity7 3 years ago 3
The legislation would have allowed bankruptcy judges to reset loan rates on the primary residence only and then if he believed they were victims of unfair lending practices. Investment and rent property were not included. I don't see how they could get backlash from that because voters of both parties got caught in the housing crisis. They could expect a backlash in campaign contributions though.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago 2
...and then they meet for dinner afterwards. I hear what you are saying but i'm not so sure that they are smart enough to coordinate that well. If they could, they could really get something positive done for the people. I'm guessing that it is just the nature of the beast and something that "we the people" need to sort out. Maybe we should try to find a way to trick the system to cause it to work on our behalf.
tantricity7 3 years ago
In the era of global warming,best time for more war,go on neocon stear it up,make a histry.Bur the Barn to rid the rats.
koolDeception 3 years ago
Iran is a Shia nation. Of course they'll look after their Shia neighbors. It's in the national interest of Iranian National Security. Hell they have more of right to be there than America does.
lyden2006 3 years ago 3
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josiahdallas 3 years ago 4
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Vektor417 3 years ago
Iran wants a working Iraq. Their own people live and function in the Iraqi government. Why would it kill its own?
PersonalJesus348 3 years ago 2